Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #97 Brad Kearns

Episode Date: July 22, 2019

Brad Kearns is an American author, podcast host, professional Speedgolfer, and former professional triathlete. Kearns performed on the international triathlon circuit from 1986 to 1995 and won 31 events worldwide. He is currently a top-20 world-ranked professional Speedgolfer and holds the Guinness World Record for the fastest single hole of golf ever played (minimum length, 500 yards). We discuss his upcoming book, dietary improvements and training advice.    Connect with Brad Kerns: Get Over Yourself Podcast - https://bit.ly/2ZH3Q59 Brad Kearns Website - https://bit.ly/2V2adBt Twitter - https://twitter.com/bradleykearns Amazon - https://amzn.to/2UZyYOC   Show Notes:  Can’t Hardly Wait Movie - https://imdb.to/2IMSSpB Khabib Nurmagomedov - https://bit.ly/2hIvzLA Faster Study Dr. Jeff Volek - https://bit.ly/2DDeSPH  Joel Jamieson - Recover Hard - https://bit.ly/2Dxb5TV DNA Fit - https://www.dnafit.com/us/ NAU - https://nau.edu/   Onnit Nitric Oxide Get 10% off all foods and supplements at Onnit by going to https://www.onnit.com/kyle/   Felix Gray Blue Blocker Sunglasses (Free Shipping/ 30 days risk-free, returns and exchanges) felixgrayglasses.com/kyle  https://bit.ly/2J0BhJA   Organifi - Liver Detox https://www.organifishop.com/ (Use Promo Code Kyle for 10% Off)    Get 10% off all foods and supplements at Onnit by going to https://www.onnit.com/kyle/   Whoop 3.0 www.whoop.com (code Kyle at checkout to save $30 off new subscriptions)    Connect with Kyle Kingsbury on: Twitter | https://bit.ly/2DrhtKn Instagram | https://bit.ly/2DxeDrk    Subscribe to the Kyle Kingsbury Podcast Itunes | https://apple.co/2P0GEJu Stitcher | https://bit.ly/2DzUSyp Spotify | https://spoti.fi/2ybfVTY IHeartRadio | https://ihr.fm/2Ib3HCg Google Play Music | https://bit.ly/2HPdhKY

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That's FelixGrayGlasses.com slash Kyle. Hello, hello. We've got Brad Kearns on the show today. He is an amazing dude. I've been following him for a while. He's homies with our good friend, Mark Sisson, and they've co-authored some really amazing books. The Keto Reset Diet is one that I think is probably the most in-depth look at ketosis, but Brad goes way past that. Obviously, they're working on another keto book right now,

Keto Longevity, but the truth is, Brad has far more to offer than just dietary advice and strength and conditioning or training for Ironman and all that good stuff. And we take it really damn deep on this podcast. He's funny. He's a great talker. I know you guys are going to dig it. Thanks for tuning in. All right, we're clapped in. We just had a long discussion on the benefits of nicotine, but I got my man Brad Kearns in the house. Thanks for joining. Kyle, I'm so glad to be here. I walked by your table at the loud, crazy, crowded gathering, but man, I just locked into you. You had some energy flowing or something, and we got into it. We got into some pretty heavy conversation in seven minutes there about your sex panel,

the highlight of Paleo FX. There was the highlight. You're telling me about some crazy gray-haired woman that was going off talking about best techniques for blowjob and I'm laughing. And then I was telling someone else's story and my friend goes, there she is right there. I'm like, hey, were you the one on the panel?

And then she went into it with me too. Yeah, you could tell like she's- Tips and tricks. Anytime you talk to somebody who's passionate about what they do, like she loves her job. Not that her job is sucking dick, but like her job is she's, she's like a sex coach online. She has a huge YouTube following, but she was passionate and she was talking about engorgement and how the part of the penis you see is not the full penis. It goes back and there's, you know, the prostate gland and the P spot and the G spot and all these different things.

She's like, you got to work all of that. And she's talking to the crowd. She says, and you got to get as much of it in your mouth as you can. And I fucking lost it. I was like, yes, get it, get it, get it. This old white haired lady. She was great, man. She was really good.

And welcome to the Kyle Kingsbury podcast. We are here in the studio. Talking about great, man. She was really good. And welcome to the Kyle Kingsbury podcast. We are here in the studio talking dick. Yeah. Just talking dick. Well, I want to get your, I want to get your background because, you know, I followed you over the years and we did a podcast with Mark Sisson not too long ago out there, but I was like, man, I was, you know, he was obviously pumping you up as well and i'm like i gotta get brad on at some point so it was really cool to see that you're here at paleo effects this year and that we're speaking on a panel together it's like let me see if i can get them we killed that panel yeah crushed it yeah yeah phenomenal but i want to get your background are you you have been a triathlete you've done ironman you've done a lot of crazy stuff that um you know as you

pointed out maybe isn't the best for your body. But I want to get in all that. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about keto. Let's talk about what led you here today as being one of the premier coaches in health and wellness. Thanks, man. Well, I go back to, I wanted to be a football player like you in high school. And I went out for tryouts. I believe I was five feet and about 105 pounds. And I watched the football team come out for practice. I'm like, man, those varsity guys are big. I was talking to my buddy, JB. We were both going to try out.

And the guy's like, that's not the varsity, dude. That's the frost off to you. And the coach sees this and goes, what do you guys want? And I go, I want to know where the cross country team practice is. He goes, down the stairs to the stadium, go over there. So, that began my running career in high school instead of football. And I became a pretty passionate runner. I had a great time. I made it to the state finals in California. I made it to the National Junior Olympics finals. So, I had this success as a

young guy in this endurance sport. I was naturally adapted to it. And that was feeding this passion. I wanted to be a runner in college. I went to UC Santa Barbara and I got sick and injured five seasons in a row. They destroyed me with the traditional training model where it's like survival of the fittest. And we'll pull 21 guys and seven of them will do well, seven of them will do mediocre, and seven of them will get bombed out injured. And it still exists today. So it's kind of ridiculous how here we are decades later with human optimization performance laboratories and the right supplements and heart rate variability and the average high school or college running athlete, especially in endurance scene, they're overtraining, beating their brains out and it's

tough to watch. So I'm glad to be in this career as coach, author, working with Mark Sisson, developing the primal thing. But through this college running experience, I became attracted to this brand new sport of triathlon. And this enabled me to go and train without getting injured because I'm doing swimming and biking and then not so much running, not that constant daily pounding. You spread it out a little bit rather than focusing on the daily pounding. Yeah. So I had a great time training on my own. It was a brand new sport. You know, nobody knew what was going on. And just show up at these races,

try to piece it together. And it was so much fun. And then a great tragedy occurred in my life, which was graduating from college. So I went from like UCSB on the beach, going surfing, riding my life, which was graduating from college. So, I went from like UCSB on the beach, going surfing, riding my bike, swimming in the ocean to suit and tie, traffic jams, downtown LA, hour and 15 minutes each way in traffic to go work for the world's largest accounting firm. And I made it 11 weeks. And like during that time, I was getting into all

this stuff that you guys talk about on the podcast and your dreams and your intention and your vision. And it's like, this is not my life. No offense to all you accountants out there who've had a wonderful career and it's an important role in life. But it just, I felt out of place. And it was just this constant, you know, stress and anxiety and frustration. Like, what am I doing here? But there was so much pressure and there's so many forces around you saying, oh, major in account or take the accounting track of your economics major and you'll get hired right off campus and you'll make big bucks and it's wonderful. So, after that 11 weeks, I announced my retirement to the firm and I told the boss man I was going to go pursue

a career as a professional triathlete. So, this was a total random, there was nobody making money except for a few top guys. They were called the big four and they won all the races and they had the endorsements. And I dreamed of being like these guys. And I went out there and put my toe on the starting line and I'd get like 24th and 27th and 19th and 17th. And look, I was only six minutes behind, which is an eternity. But I was coming from this place of a pure motivation. And I believe that's my most important message that I give now to my reflections as an athlete is I was out there because I love the journey and I love the process of pushing and challenging my body, building these new skills, trying to get better

each time. So I'd always have a positive outlook. Like I'd look at the race results and they'd calculate your swim, your bike and your run time. And I was six minutes behind in the swim, four minutes behind the bike. But look, I ran with the third top row because I was coming from running, of course. So all I have to do is improve 10 minutes and eternity. And I always had this dream and I was building, building, and I never had any negative messaging like, dude, you're not making any money. What are you doing with your life? You're wasting it. None of that. It was just nonstop fun and adventure and excitement. So this like haphazard approach where I'd wake up and if I was tired, I wasn't feeling it. I'd go

back to sleep. I'd do something easy. I'd wake up the next day. If I felt it, I'd go and I'd explore new mountain territories on my bike and I'd ride and ride and ride because I didn't have any limitations on myself either. Now we're into this structured environment where, oh, your HRV is four points down or you got to build 10% this week and then drop it down. It's very scientific. But I was this total intuitive athlete with a pure motivation. So I recognized that was like my centerpiece, my center of power for peak performance. So something happened at the very end of my rookie year after getting my butt kicked in every race. I went to this huge race. It was a showdown between the two top guys in the world who'd never raced each other. And I upset everybody and won by a good margin. So, I came across the line and they're like, a couple of questions. A, did you do the whole route? And B, who the hell are you? But that ushered in like a new kind of perspective for me where now I feel like, hey, maybe I could make a go and make a career of this. Maybe I can race these guys. I just knocked them off. There was a rematch race six weeks later and I won by a bigger margin. And so this time they were gunning for me.

There were guys in a pack like watching me and keeping my pace, but I was in really great shape because I'd had this run of beautiful training that was completely without impure influence. Then guess what happens? You start to get a name for yourself. You come home from a trading session. You got 18 phone messages instead of one. You start dealing with the business aspects. And now this person wants to be my agent. This person says, don't get an effing agent. Do it this way. Do it that way. So all this stress and pressure and anxiety built as I became a known person. And now I'm in the magazine. I'm wearing shirts with names on it and all these things. What happens when that happens? Oh, now I got to get magazine, I'm wearing shirts with names on it and all these things. What happens when that happens?

Oh, now I got to get serious, man. I can't take any days off. I can't rest. I got to time myself on all these routes, making sure I'm hitting my checkpoints. And of course I struggled and suffered from that mindset that was flawed and getting away from that pure motivation.

So I had to learn this lesson over and over. And I remember like crashing and burning out of a race going, this sucks. This feels like the accounting job where I'm here for pressures and expectations and hearing voices or feeling insecure because we just did a workout together and you kicked my ass. And I'm like, well, Kyle, what kind of training are you doing?

Oh, I do kettlebell. Oh, maybe I should do that. And switching my route, switching what worked for me. So I had to grow you know through this athletic experience and i think you can reference too like there's nothing more intense and dramatic for lessons of success and failure and lessons of life than athletic arena because you can't give no excuse after you get your ass kicked like oh you know especially in single sports like triathlete or fighting you know like yeah it's

not gonna be like my coach really fucked that one up right it's like dude you're the guy that's in there yeah yeah he's let me down all right guys real quick i want to tell you about another amazing product from organifi their liver detox it is one of the best products i've ever taken and i know what you're thinking why the hell do I need to detox my liver? I eat pretty clean. I work out. I'm in good shape. I have good health. But maybe you're like me. Maybe you went hard to the paint while in college at Arizona State University and probably did some things that weren't so good for the liver. Or maybe you're a little bit older and you've been eating pretty good food most of your life, but for a long time you didn't. We now know there's quite a few chemicals that have been introduced

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And I didn't really get that until the end of my career. And it's funny, anybody who followed me, they saw that I lost my last four fights. They were like, well, it didn't look like you learned much at the end of your career, but at least I was training smarter. I think it looks like you had that to begin with. And then through the pressures, where we're like fucking constantly going back and forth,

toggling between doing it right and doing it wrong and suffering the consequences yeah it is it is nice you know again you touched on another another topic that i want to get into is this double-edged sort of technology where it can illuminate a lot of what's going on inside from an hrv standpoint recovery rest how well you slept all of that But if you're basing 100% of your decisions around that, you're kind of missing the point, right? It takes the fun out of training, but it also takes the feel out of your body. Because if you use it to listen to your body better, you can use it as a tool that helps you to understand your body better. But if you're using that as the holy grail, if you will, for your training, then yeah, you're like,

oh, I got to take the day off. My HRV score wasn't as good as it should be. And, you know, I'll train hard tomorrow. And then whatever happens, you don't sleep well, your kid comes in the middle of the night. Now you've missed, you know, any, you haven't pushed hard a single day that week because of circumstance, right? Hey, you know, your listeners are familiar with Kelly Starrett. I feel like he's, you know, at the top of his game. You know what he identifies as the number one training metric ever discovered, never beaten by blood work, laboratory, whatever, desire to train. What's your desire to train today? Yeah. And so going by that and the heart rate helps because we got heart rate monitors in when I was starting my career in 1987. That's 32 years ago. It was the polar one.

They have the H7 now. It was the polar one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a square thing on your wrist. But getting connected to what you're doing and realizing when you're exceeding your heart rate due to your competitive intensity and all those impure influences, like I said, I'm trying to go faster on my route today. Well, wait a second. You hit a heart rate. Now we're in an entirely new progressive realm. So, I'm not going to trash all this stuff, but I'm like, use it to your advantage. But desire to train is number one. And then we go from there. And like, you lost your last four fights. I lost my last 14 fights too, man. And after a while, like, I had a good friend. His name was Peter. He was an Aussie, and he had

a gruff way about him. And he would call me up after my last string of races, and he'd call me up, and he'd go, Kearns, you fucking suck, mate. You should fucking retire right now. Goodbye. And he'd hang up. I love it. The best kind of coach. Everybody else in my scene would be like, hey, so you had a good bike ride? Yeah, my runs suck, but I have something to think about. And I'd tell my sponsors like, I'm building up for another race and feeling good. And you're just telling yourself the story that it's okay, but it's not okay. And I didn't want to face it because I had a nine-year run and it was fun. And I was on top and had great success.

I was national champion. I was ranked third in the world at my best. And then I started slipping down like, wait a second. Oh, that workout that I did time was F-ass slower than it was before. And that does mean something, you know? So, this, you know, this checkpoint of someone saying, you should fucking quit, mate. You're done. I remember when you were good, you know, he would go off on me and then like i remember having a great i got a win i bagged a win during my one of my struggling years my my last year and i'm like i can't wait till this mofo calls up i'm like w baby and he goes who was second i go uh uh kelsey never heard of him who was third uh uh wilson never heard of him who was fourth he sucks never heard of him so

we're going down to like seven yeah so even the win was discounted but it was so spot on there was nothing more honest than that and i knew it deep down in my heart so i mean i'm referencing you lose four fights it's a fucking great career it doesn't matter you know it's just like learning experience and progress to the next thing yeah yeah to the dark side that's right right. This guy, Mike Pig, maybe your listeners know, he was one of the greatest of all time. He was number one for many years. And he kept going, kept going. He was getting his endorsements and trying to cash that thing out and go as long as he could. And then he called me up one day and he's like,

Kearns, I know you've been on the dark side for a few years. What should I do? I need a career now. And we had to have that talk, like, all right, man, you got to unwind this thing. And guess what? Those peak performance attributes that you adopted in your athletic career can be translated right over to business so you can kick some butt. He's like, yeah, I'm going to go back to school. I'm like, no, no, no, not school, dude. We don't put a top triathlete who was an independent, hard-driving, stubborn dude into a school classroom. I'm like, you got to go sell real estate. That's your only choice because you don't have to get an education of too much length.

And then you can go in and compete in this forum. And that's what he does today. It was a fun, you know. He's probably doing pretty damn good at it too. Oh, a bunch of guys are doing stuff. But it's like some of them get it going. We talked about this a little bit at dinner. Like some of them leverage all that stuff. And then some of them get it going we talked about this a little bit at dinner like some of them leverage all that stuff and then some of them don't and some of my boys that

i watched high school football my son didn't play he was a baller but the football team was making it all the way to section they're 12 and 0 players of the year awards accolades and now they're like not getting it together in adult life and i'm'm like, wait a second, you gained more yards and scored more touchdowns than anyone in the history of the section, whatever. Where's that all going? And so I think like any person who's athletic listening is like, man, we got to leverage some of this stuff that we've been through instead of reminiscing and sitting back and going,

yeah, back in the day, you know, and boy, oh boy, I mean, we're all guilty of that if we get that wind up, you know, wind up on our back and twist the dial. But yeah, there's a character actually from a movie and it's probably, it was like a teen movie. So when I was a teen, I watched it, it's called Can't Hardly Wait. And it might've been, you know, past your genre by the time it came out, but there's a character in it that Jerry O'Connell plays, Trip McNeely. And he's showing up. He's in college, but he keeps showing up to all the high school parties.

And he's wearing his fucking Leatherman jacket. And he's just nonstop. He can't stop talking about the glory days of when they won state and all this other shit. Even Uncle Rico in Napoleon Dynamite. Like, man, we would have won state if the court of courts would put me in. I could throw a football a quarter mile. It's like everyone knows that guy.

That's why it's so funny because everyone knows that guy, right? You have that guy who lives in the past or you have the guy who just won't stop. You know, like it's Ricky Henderson. I love the guy. He loves baseball. He's one of the greatest players of all time. But he played all the way. He played himself down a triple-A ball as long as he could just because he loved the game. There's part of that that's really cool. And then another part that's like,

dude, there's more to life than that game. Whatever it is that you're into, there's a lot more to it than that. And you can, if you choose to, take those skills out into the real world or whatever that means and do something else with it. Well, my thing, if I can hack into the podcast for a moment, is this great recent discovery of, I broke the Guinness World Record last year for the fastest single hole of golf ever played. And it's an offshoot of my favorite sport of speed golf, where we play a tournament round, 18 holes, and they count your strokes and they count your minutes. So you have this, it's not like hockey puck golf where you're just racing through. You got to shoot a good score and everything counts to the point. So the stroke counts for a point, the minutes

count for a point. So like my best tournament ever, I shot a 78, which is a pretty good round for me in 47 minutes, running pretty high speed, anaerobic threshold, carrying five clubs, hitting these shots, hitting the next shot. And so that's a 125 in speed golf. And the best guys are out there. They will shoot par on a championship course in 45 minutes, 47 minutes. I mean, it's an amazing sport. Grassroots, you know, underground sport. But this has been my recent passion.

And then I found this thing on YouTube where the Guinness book has an official record for the fastest one hole. So this is like full sprint now. Has to be 500-yard par 5. You can't have like a dinky. Oh, I played the par 3. So it has to be 500 measured yards, right? So that's a nice par 5. And I trained for this thing.

I studied the video of the previous record holder. Are you in like a full sprint on this? It's dead sprint 400 meters, yeah. Like Van Niekerk, South Africa, 43 flat. Not quite that fast, but you can't waste any time. Especially I wanted to beat this existing record, which was really impressive. So if I can engage a little more in this fun thing. So I saw the video and I'm like, well, shit, man, I can sprint and I'm a good speed golfer. I'm going to go bust this

open tomorrow night just for fun, not official. I'm going to go put my watch on and go out to the course. And I was records 150 and I did a 212 running pretty hard. Like, whoa. So then I went back the next night and I said, I'm going to sprint this time. And now I'm going to knock the record off. But I hit a couple of bad shots because you're sprinting and trying to play golf. They don't go together. Ask Scott Stallings.

No good, man. And that time was a 213. So, I go back home. I get on the internet and email this dude in the United Kingdom. I'm like, dude, are you an Olympic sprinter or what did you do to break that record? And he wrote a nice thing back. He goes, let me tell you, Brad. He goes, I played that hole a thousand times and I practiced exactly where to hit each shot and to get into the groove of picking up the bag and racing to the ball and hitting the proper position on the green so I'd have an easy putt instead of a hard putt. So I practiced and practiced and practiced. And obviously, this is goofy stuff.

It's, I mean, there's Guinness World Record for eating the most crystals in your bowl here and all that nonsense. But like for me, I feel like I locked into this athletic intensity that I had as a young guy. And now I'm doing something that it's for fun. It's no big deal, but it isn't, you know, because it means a lot to me and it's something special. And oh, by the way, you have to get 10 people out there to witness. You need two timers. You need a filmmaker. You need a cameraman. You need an observable witness that you never met before. So, you got to go find some mofo on the course that day and go, hey, man, can you help me out do this thing? So, I had to assemble my dream team in golf carts filming me. So, I show up at the golf course and there's 10

people around. My girl's there. She brings in her family. They drove three hours to support this whole thing, this crazy thing. Her parents are there, her sons. you know, it's like, all right, I'm on the spot now. And I got lit up and it was so fantastic to go for this goal because you realize like going to the gym and doing your workout and that was great, but it's not the same as going into the cage. You know what I mean? There's nothing that's going to recapture that. So if there's a way to find something that can possibly recapture that, as long as it's not a 50K, I totally support. What did you do, a 50? 55K. Dude, that's unbelievable.

You're probably the most accomplished ex-MMA fighter, ultra runner of all time. I don't know. I think the Diaz brothers have done Ironman. Oh, I forgot about those guys. They're no joke. They have cardio for days, but they're also close to my height and like a buck 60,

so they're perfectly built for it. Okay. I put on this triathlon after I retired, I did this and that business. I put on a triathlon. It's called the world's toughest half Ironman up in Auburn, California. And this dude, was it Nick and Joey, Nick, I think Nick and Nate, Andrew, Nick and Nate. Sorry, Joey. That's the comedian. So someone tipped me off and said, yeah, some, some fighter that's the comedian. All right, cocksuckers. Someone tipped me off and said, yeah, some fighter dude entered your race. He paid his full entry fee and entered my race. And so, I looked up his email. He comes through the online entry. I'm like, dude, you don't have to pay to enter my race. It is a pleasure to see you. I can't believe you're doing

this. Come on out. I'm going to celebrate you on the microphone. I mean, it was a big deal. You know, I mean, I'm amazed this guy's... are you sure? Is this good for your fighting? You know, he not only did it, man, he smoked that thing. He's so good. They're good. He's an athlete. Yeah. That's when I first built my respect for, you know, I don't know what these fighters are doing. I have no association with it, but when this dude crosses the finish line, I mean, if you're not an MMA fan and you, you know about this. And then my second thing was Romanov jumping over the fence and whooping on McGregor's camp after whooping on McGregor. Could be Nurburgan Mennoff, yeah. Nurburgan Mennoff?

Yep, yep. That was close. But that was one of the greatest sporting moments of the last decade. Usain Bolt winning those races in the Olympics. That was good. Tiger Woods coming back, winning the Masters. But Nurburgan Mennoff? Something like Olympics. That was good. Tiger Woods coming back, win the Masters. But Norgum Mennaf? Something like that.

You're close. Unbelievable. Just the beauty of sports. Speaking of Joey Diaz, he calls him Kalabeeb, which is great. It's pronounced Habib. But yeah, man, he was a teammate of mine at AKA. He came in right at the end when I was on my way out. And he was a thrill to watch because he would he had had like a gang of fights in russia but you know that a lot of guys come from brazil with really padded records or or from

russia and this dude's undefeated you know but he comes in here and he's going against some of the best guys in the world at american kickboxing academy in san jose and it was like holy shit he's ragdolling people like he's ragdolling welterweights that fight one or two weight classes above him. Really, really special stuff. But yeah, that's a whole side note. Well, I want to talk to you a bit about how- Listen to this podcast host bringing shit back. Isn't that good?

I mean, we're going off on speed golf. I'm trying to bring it back to MMA. Kyle's focused. It's all linked together. Welcome to the show, people. I got to reel it in. Right now at halfway score, I'm giving you A plus as a host. You're doing your ear and your element.

I love it. Well, you host too. So that means a lot. Yeah, yeah. That's good. I'm trying. So we have obviously a long history of misinformation in the sport of running and especially in the sport of triathlon and anything that's endurance when it comes to diet and nutrition.

And there's guys like Tim Noakes and people, and of course yourself and Mark Sisson, who have really started to change the way we view what is good food, especially for racing and anything that has to do with, fuck it, from lifestyle to performance, really reversing what that scenario has been that we've been told and force-fed since we were young. Talk about how your diet has changed over the course of your life and really where you started to gather that information from.

Oh, boy. Yeah, I wish we'd known what we know now, right? Our local boy, Dude Spellings, Austin, Texas, we just did a podcast. Here's the latest, greatest. Trip out on this. After doing an extremely difficult, arduous, long-distance event, fast. What? Wait, what about my hot fudge sundae pizza beer? We know that autophagy peaks when you're fasting and cellular repair and immune function and all those things that you desperately need after you've trashed your body and generated all this massive inflammation and oxidative stress from doing the 50K. You should have gone home and fasted, Kyle. Yeah. And we know from the faster study, I don't know if the listeners are familiar, F-A-S-T-E-R was the study by Dr. Volek,

one of the early keto pioneers. And they took those two groups of ultra runners. One were long-term fat adapted, low carb lifestyle, and the others were regular high carb eaters. And they did a three-hour exhaustion run on the treadmill. these these fat adapted guys came back the next day and their glycogen was replenished it was an absolute shock to the community like how did they do it they didn't need i mean they ate their fat or whatever um a byproduct of fat metabolism when your low carb lifestyle is that those glycerol molecules get repurposed i might be totally effing this this up, but you're making more glycogen as you need it. And then gluconeogenesis, obviously, you can convert amino acids into glucose to restock glycogen because we really want to restock glycogen, survival instinct. We have alternate ways to do it. So, this concept, Dr. Noakes, the best. You

can look at Laura of running. He's the premier exercise physiologist in the endurance scene of all time and a longtime runner, ultra marathon runner. He started getting diabetes as an ultra marathon runner, the most preeminent physiologist going, what the F is going on here? miles every year and doing all these things and eating healthy health conscious portion conscious not a not a slob in a lab and so he's a great uh beacon here because he changed his views and changed his belief he's got a book called uh challenging beliefs because this is his life's work and his reputation he got attacked in south africa he got sued on the stand by some some mom who you know he was saying don't feed your kids carbs that stand by some mom who, you know, he was saying, don't feed your kids carbs. That's a different story. But so, you know, we've come to this awakening that a fat adapted human is much healthier than a carb addict. And then when we go into athletic performance, we can see these benefits too. And I think, you know, we're just on the starting surface now,

but these record holders, even maybe in the tour, are going to be guys that aren't putting sugar in their body because they're upregulating this ketone production and this fat metabolism. So it's fascinating. But also the recovery aspect, I think, is big where if you're not stuffing your face with this nutrient deficient, crappy food, just because you got a free hall pass because you're lean or you just burned a thousand calories in whatever workout you just did. I actually did a calculation in our new book. Mark and I got a book called Keto Longevity coming out. But I remember this guy coming to a Super Bowl. We did a 100-mile ride in the morning and then a Super Bowl party in the afternoon. And he came in with a bowl of eight avocados, a shaker of salt, and a couple lemons.

And I'm like, oh, I have some nice offering for the buffet, for the potluck. That was his deal. And he ate the entire thing. I'm not giving this to anybody. He sat in the corner of the couch. He was fried. I mean, he hung on that 100-miler, but he was above his level. So he watched the Super Bowl for five hours, sat in one spot, ate the avocados,

ate the other stuff that the other people brought, but he ate his avocado thing. So I calculate this whole thing out. Okay, on a 100-mile ride, you're burning 800 calories an hour. That's this many. And he came out with a net gain on the day. In other words, he gained a little. So the calories in, calories out has been destroyed as completely unsubstantiated in real life. And now we can have people waking up to realize that these crazy goals that I'm

pursuing, where I'm burning all these calories and obligated to slam my face down with carbohydrates, we know it's unhealthy now. Before we didn't, we thought it was cool. You get to eat a lot because you're a runner. It's awesome. My favorite thing about training for a marathon is the pizza and beer. All right, all right. That's a mentality and you're allowed to enjoy your life. And it does mitigate damage from eating pizza and beer in the cube. But boy, yeah, there's a new horizon now. Yeah, that makes so much sense. You touched on a bunch of cool things there. That was something that I got into the ketogenic diet and was introduced through guys like Finney and Volek. I actually heard Dr. Dominic D'Agostino speaking

on the Tim Ferriss show in 2014, and then Peter Attia as well. And I was like, shit, I need to give this a run. And it was right as I retired, and I knew I had some TBI and some brain issues from fighting and also playing football since I was 10. So that's really what bridged the gap for me to get in. But all this stuff coming out about fasting, you know, it's like, oh shit. And I used to think back to, you know, after my fights, even though the worst fights where I was the most dinged, it's time to celebrate. I'm going to eat like shit. I'm going to drink alcohol. I'm like, I should have been drinking salt water and not having a damn thing else. And then I can party and celebrate later when all that inflammation returns back down to normal. And my brain can actually clear out some amyloid plaque

and tau proteins. And I could heal from that experience. It's crazy to think about that. You know, you talking about it now, it's like, yeah, I think it's a different mindset. Obviously, if we have this, a lot of people continue to look at working out and then food as a reward, right? Like, how do we reward ourselves for this hard work? And you really can't look at it that way. Food can't be about pleasure. It can certainly taste good and be something that you enjoy, but it shouldn't be the reward for doing a hard workout or competing in a competition. Like, that's not going to lead to good stuff. I would say it's probably you're setting yourself up for disordered eating of some nature, right? If you're equating caloric expenditure with caloric intake, that's heading down a nasty,

slippery slope. I'm not an expert. An eating disorder specialist is not in their head. You just can't do that, right? So you've got gotta go by your hunger signals and but i think the athlete the big mistake the athletes made is um you know the the the free pass to eat a bunch of food and of of you know uh poor quality of a certain percent and we know we gotta go get our training table salads and steaks and then the athlete will go and slam down extra stuff because they they don't have an excess body fat problem or something. But that inflammatory, free radical-inducing sugary food, the athlete's the one that suffers from that tremendously because they're eating so much more of it than the cubicle worker. Yeah. Yeah.

So we should be cleaning up our diets more than the average person. But generally, especially the endurance scene is, I mean, these are billion dollar industries where they're doing gels, blocks, bars, cookies, crackers, cakes, lotions, potions, sugar throwing down your throat. Yeah. And so, I mean, I think that's also another concept to really lock onto is that if you're creating your own acute inflammation through exercise, you shouldn't add to that with inflammation from your diet. Like that should be the last thing that you want to do is have some type of inflammatory diet. And I mean, anything can be a problem if there's too much, but there's still people I know that are loading up on pasta on race day or after. And you touched on glycogen

restoration from the ketogenic diet, that faster study that they did. And that makes a ton of sense. I had Dr. Sean Baker on the podcast, who's a huge proponent of carnivores, been on Rogan's. And he was saying like, there's no lull. And even if it's from, it's not as clean to make carbohydrates and glycogen from protein through gluconeogenesis, it's not as clean as being in a state of ketosis. But at the same time, your body's only creating what it needs. It's not creating in excess. So once your liver is full of glycogen, your muscles are full of glycogen, your brain has enough, and the liver can kind of delve that out bit by bit through the night as needed,

that's it. It's not going to create more than it needs. So really thinking about that, like if we can create our own carbohydrates, it's going to go a lot further and be a lot less damaging than if we're constantly trying to source that and being on this repetitive wheel of, fuck, when's my next hit of carbs? Like every two to three hours, when's my next hit? Oh, that's what we were trained to think, that you better be responsible and eat in that window of opportunity, we called it. I used to sell stuff on a website of all the bars and drinks and all that. And it's like, I think that's a, we got to make this important distinction now because if you're not in a fat-adapted dietary pattern and you're a carb-dependent

dietary pattern and you go try to run a marathon on liquid abinos and water, you're going to be passed out on the curb and calling for Lyft or Uber. So, you know, you've got to do some hard work to ditch these offensive foods, the grains and sugars and the refined vegetable oils, which cause dysfunctional fat metabolism. So you can't turn into a fat burner if you got these bad oils in your diet. So it's like grains, sugars, bad oils, athletes, zero tolerance, get rid of it. Then you can start awakening these amazing attributes that you're describing. But it's really tough to go at it half-assed and be a halfway carb-adapted athlete. And especially, I remember when Mark and I got this assignment to write the book about keto, this was really early on. There wasn't a lot of talk

about it. I had to call up D'Agostino on the phone and go, dude, I heard the podcast, but are you serious? What is this? It was like we had to jump in. So, I did my intensive keto experiment, pricking my finger every day, seeing what my numbers were, seeing this and that. And I think I did a little bit of half-ass approach where I still had a baseline demand for glucose in the brain and in my workouts, which I was still doing instead of toning it down a little bit to make this transition easier. And I forget there's probably some term for it, but your workouts are a little bit off and your brain function's a little bit off and they call it the keto flu or whatever.

And I'm like, no, this is bullshit. It's like, it's just doing it with a flawed approach where in my case, I attribute trying to do too much working out instead of just toning it down for a few weeks to get all the way over to keto, messing with the electrolytes and the sodium balance. So you got to put more sodium in

because now you don't have water retention and inflammation throughout the body holding more sodium. Hey, you lost eight pounds. Your face looks better. You were a fat face before. All water weight. It's great. It's only two weeks. Well, you're also losing a lot of sodium. And so now when we know to do these fixes and do it properly, and you could say be patient, but some people are like cold turkey, let's do it. So I don't think there's a secret like be patient, but if it's not working for you,

you're not feeling good, then slow down, take a deep breath, realize we've got a problem. The keto flu is bullshit. No one needs to go through the keto flu. No one needs to be cranky to their significant other. Otherwise we're going to have problems. We're going to go back on the sex panel

and have to start over. Yeah, so I want people to feel good, realize that our bodies are adapted to do it. Everybody's looking good. If there's some issues, then you go to functional medicine and see that you have gut dysfunction. And so, we don't want to restrict calories or try to drop body fat unless we're healthy in a healthy baseline state. But I think this excitement of the movement and that it works and it's great and the proponents are standing up there and saying, this is awesome, that's awesome. And then people go home and struggle. It's like, no, don't struggle. Do it

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But you guys really do a great job of kind of bridging the gap. Something you had talked about on one of the panels that I really wanted to hit home and drive here is that our training changes over time. And it's not always going to be what it once was when you really can just roll out of bed and recover from anything. I remember being able to get shit-faced at night at college at ASU, and I'd be on the football field at 5 a.m. and running wind sprints. And I hurt, but I could do it, right?

There's no chance in hell I could do that after 30, let alone closing the gap on 40. So training also changes, right? As our body changes. You talked about really being cautionary when it comes to the marketing of fitness now. Can you dive into that for us? Oh man. Another one of the highlights from the panel yesterday. I also liked the answer I came up with after realizing the mic was taking a long time to get back and forth. And I'm like, everybody's saying so many cool things. And it's like, to reiterate what Kyle just said, no, no, no, no. So I think the question was,

oh, what are the big myths in fitness and how do you correct them? So I said, one of the myths is like that every person on a panel has to answer every question. Yeah. Hand it over. That was great. And it was fucking crickets too though only our moderator

laughed and i laughed but it's so true props from kyle yeah yeah um i'm sorry what was the question so okay so just talking about like like what are what are the things we should be avoiding with the mass marketing of what fitness should look like yeah yeah because like hey i love the crossfit scene it's incredible workout the blending the balance and the creativity and for me i've done some where i'm hitting that two-third mark i'm 54 freaking years old i'm not 34 or whatever i hit the two-third mark i work out and i'm like i'm gonna get some water and then i'm gonna go get in my car then i'm gonna leave i'll see you guys later. You know, like I just felt like this is enough for me.

And in a group setting like that, especially when they're clapping for you at the end or whatever, sometimes we get drawn out of that intuitive notion of what's the right balance, especially when it's community building and you go there and you go five times a week. I'm like, that's great. Go five times a week and be a volunteer on two of those workouts and help beginners with their form and do PVC pipe instead of the weight. So that fluctuating of stress and rest,

I mean, the top athletes in every sport know this and discovered this long ago that you got to push yourself sometimes and you got to really take it easy and recover hard. Joel Jameson's message. I mean, that's just incredible rebound training stuff where the harder you train, the harder you have to recover.

He did a podcast with me just six months ago. And he said that like, it's obvious, but I had to think about it for hours afterward because I never thought in that context. I always thought, go, go, go, and then be a good boy and sleep your 10 hours a night and take a nap and lay on the couch and don't lift any sandbags for the pouring rain. Get your neighbors to do that. But it's like, move around and recover properly

and spend more attention and time and energy on recovery due to the amount of training you did. So that's a big one. That's not answering the question, however. No, but that is important. This marketing hype where we're socialized to think in endurance that marathon is the ultimate. In triathlon, it's the Ironman, which is a brand. Those of you who have tattoos on your body, how much did they pay you? It's like a Nike swoosh. What? They didn't pay you? Or the NFL Raiders, you know, the Raiders tattoos. Yeah. I mean, I've gone on record.

I will get a Nike swoosh on my body for $1.7 million. We'll start talking at that point. I think I'd do $100,000. If it's visible. $100,000, I'd do it. Depends where it is. Yeah. If it's a neck tattoo, maybe a million.

If it's on my ankle or something. Tiger Woods rocks, I'll do that. If it's on the forehead, then we're talking. But the branding and the hype around these events, we watch them on TV. We watch the great champions. We want to be like them. We want to approximate the challenge and get that same deep inspiration. But there's some stuff to filter through first. And one of them is, you got kids, you got a family, you got other disparate goals, then you're not going gonna be like that guy you saw on TV who sleeps 12 hours.

I was asleep for half my career. I don't know about you. I slept 10 hours every night for sure, two hour nap every afternoon. And if I missed my nap because the line at the post office was too long, then my swim workout didn't feel quite right. I was off a little bit, you know,

so I was obsessed with sleep and all those great things. But when we're juggling so much in life and we have the scales of justice, you know, Miss Liberty with the balance thing, we have work over here, we have family, we have fun stuff. Stress is positive too. Stress equals stimulus, not negative. We say stress is negative. This is stimulus to the organism. So, all those things are on one side of the balance scale. So, when you go, oh, it's a great stress release from my job. I'm training for the Ironman now. It's like, dude, why don't you just train for a sprint

and make it be an athletic experience where you're actually competing and working on your form and maybe challenging with your teammate and trying to beat a certain workout time so you can hit a pace because those other things are just survival events. And I talked about on the panel, like if I put a gun to your head right now,

we can go run a marathon. Congratulations, Kyle, you'll be finished in whatever many hours. And if you're not prepared, you're still gonna make it. We might take you to the ER after to get your IV bags, but it's like, who cares that you finished a marathon? We wanna do it right.

We wanna do it with intention and enjoying the process and setting the goal. And if you wake up with 102 fever, because I have coaching clients over the days where they, well, the entry fee was 600 bucks. There's no refunds and I already got my plane ticket. So I had to go. I had to take off work to leave a day early. Yeah. I'm like, but you had 102 fever and you started a race. Good thing it wasn't MMA fight. You'd be on the ground and it ain't no good to go do something when it's not a peak performance event. I have no respect or like, not me judging, I'm saying maybe you shouldn't have any respect

for just the dragging through life. Just like, did you get through your day? Wait, is that the title of Aubrey's book? Get Through the Day by Aubrey? Oh, let's pan over there, you visual watchers. It's not called Get Through Your Day. Wait, is that the title of Aubrey's book? Get Through the Day by Aubrey? Oh, let's pan over there, you visual watchers. It's not called Get Through the Day. It's called Own the Day. Big difference. This show is sponsored by Own the Day, which you can find on Amazon and other retailers. That would be such a fucking great title. Get Through the Day. Limp into work. Get Through the F'n Day. Yeah, yeah. So, we want an appropriate goal. And you talked

about the fighters who are hanging on too long. Maybe there's endurance athletes. I think the guys that I know that are still going, they love it, man. It's in their blood. It was out of my blood after those phone calls and my ass getting kicked a lot. But whatever turns you on and gets you going, that's great. But make these goals appropriate to your certain life circumstance and also predictive of longevity and health rather than opposing health. Fighting is not in concert with health. Sorry, fighters. It's just the truth. Ironman racing is not in conjunction with health. It's compromising your health. Oh, Simon Whitfield, I dropped my boy. He's the Olympic gold medalist in triathlon in Sydney 2000. He's the Olympic gold medalist in triathlon in Sydney, 2000. He was the first gold medalist ever in the sport.

He came back eight years later and won silver. No one expected him. Great career, retired off into adult life. And I asked him, what are you doing? What are you doing these days? Like, are you competing in something or whatever? He goes, well, today I'm coached by my 80-year-old self. So everything is informed by what does that guy think of what you're doing right now? Is he shaking his head going,

you're doing another fight, you crazy mofo? Or why are you going that far? Why don't you shorten the distance and do a half Ironman race or a half marathon or any of those recalibrations? Or like me, I'm doing crazy off the wall speed golf record i'd rather do that than a triathlon because i've been there and done that and whatever the reason and occasion is like it can be really important and it doesn't have to subscribe ascribe to society's standards and measuring and judging another rant man we just we wind each other up and like i love it that's exactly where i wanted to go with it though that's so good uh what are you guys what are you guys coming out with with keto longevity that sets it apart from the keto reset diet uh nothing just rebranding different

recipes excuse me oh we're still recording 28 days of recipes yeah sorry 21 yeah yeah that's right um yeah where do you go and I think almost everything's been said what we need to say about the diet part. I think there's some advanced strategies that are important to cover and also kind of avoiding those mistakes. And as it gets more and more hype, like my favorite hype thing is this dirty keto.

You can do pound or hashtag, excuse me, old guy talking here, hashtag dirty keto and you see like the sugar-free orange soda with heavy cream and ice and you slush it up and it's like the the thing we used to get in the mall in the old days uh you know the uh like a slurpee or something like that blossom hill mall or whatever your what's your local place called in san jose you know you go to the mall and you get the orange bang or whatever yeah westgate oh yeah i know what you're talking about damn how'd you know that's i get around yeah it's like orange jubilee or some shit like right yeah yeah yeah yeah uh and it's okay because it's keto because

it hits the macros you know so that kind of ridiculousness now we got to get sensible about and realize that you know the benefits of keto, you're approximating the benefits of fasting, which are long scientifically validated, undisputed, even by the freaks on whatever side of the equation we're on. We can do it without starving ourselves. Otherwise, we just all fast and be autophagy all the time. I don't eat. It's great.

I'm a breatharian. I'm going to live forever. Yeah, they're called breatharians. There's like a guru. He was uncovered on 60 Minutes like years ago, and he claimed he was a breatharian, but he just was with his practices and his meditations, he could just exist. And then they caught him backstage like shoving this butterfinger down his throat before he went on and gave his keynote. So, sorry, breatharians. So in this book, the diet thing has to blend into a comprehensive healthy living strategy, and especially this aspect that we call mental flexibility. And Sisson has these talking points like pivot is one of his favorite words. And we've worked together for 10 years, and he's a guy who knows how to do business,

knows how to sell his shit to Kraft Heinz and cash out and be focused and strategic and all that. But he's had to pivot so many times and change course. And we talk about having a vision, having goals, having an execution plan. I'm like, oh, crap, this is how it's supposed to go because I say so. Listening to alternative voices and being open-minded constantly. And we've redone books saying, yeah, we used to say legumes are bad. Now they're okay. Rob Wolf said that first, I think. Like, oh, peanut butter, it's okay. So for like 10 years, I didn't eat no peanut butter.

Yeah, he wrote the Paleo S. And he was like, peanuts? That's a legume. They're just blowing them up online. Like, what the fuck, Rob? I'm getting mixed signals. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this mental flexibility part, I think, is my favorite thing. We got deep into the research with like the blue zones

and how they have these supportive communities. And they go and meet in the afternoon in Okinawa, the longevity superstars and they have tea with their lifelong friends it's this concept called ikigai which is the centerpiece that community is um the bruce lipton biology belief and deepak chopra and they're working where your thoughts create your reality and so if you think that you're not going to live a long time and you think or you're worried about getting cancer like your parents did, these will manifest into reality. Where if you set a different intention and if you talk poorly about this, people check out.

Don't check out yet. You know, I'm not a woo-woo guy. I'm pretty much a realistic guy. Right where you went is exactly where I'm going. I'm going to talk i'm talking to luke's story about getting bruce lipton on dr joe dispenza i mean this that so much of this falls in line with exactly what the teachings in a plant medicine ceremony like ayahuasca are like you you become very very clear and very visceral about the fact that thoughts do

create our known universe no question yeah and so like the energy in the room you walk into room i feel like there's positive energy here there's positive energy at the table we're sitting down ben was there and i just kind of stopped i was going to another table but these these things are are real so you know you walk into a party exhausted as an example such a long day i'm tired i'm burnt out but things are lively and your energy picks up. And it's, boy, our thoughts have so much control over things and then stating your intentions and all that stuff. We all need to get better at this and believe more.

And so if right now you're shaking your head going, I don't believe in that bullshit, those woo-woo fairy people, it's like, you're absolutely right. Yeah, no matter what you believe, you're correct. Exactly don't believe it exactly yeah and oh you don't understand genetics my whole family has a obesity gene and so i'm headed there have you done yes you are have you done your 23andme have you ever looked at that dna fit okay dna fit yeah those guys are oh i think dna i've recommended a ton of people to dna fit i think they're great i had my 23andMe done and I outsourced it to Dr. Rhonda Patrick

for a $10 donation. It's great, right? I did that. But I have the genes. And it's funny because when I look around all of my relatives, I have the genes to be obese and I have the genes for type 2 diabetes

and I have half the marker for Alzheimer's dementia, which runs on my dad's side of the family. And guess who's not obese? Guess who doesn't have type 2 diabetes? Guess who's not going to get Alzheimer's, right? Like, all those expressions are the potentials of what could happen if we're doing it wrong. Right. Not even potential, but like, you're damn sure you're going to do it because you have those genes. Yeah, you're going to do it. You're going to get right there and right in line, maybe worse, because your parents, my parents ate better than we did when we were kids yeah you

know so like this predisposition concept everybody f's that up and thinks like you guys are saying genes don't matter and they're tremendously important and you know uh we better respect that and take take aggressive action if you happen to have lousy genes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that makes a ton of sense. The DNA fit test where they give you this ratio of your genetic predisposition for endurance versus strength.

Some lifelong endurance athlete, you know, whatever. I'm figuring I'm a big endurance thing. 54% strength power and 46% endurance. What is that gene called? Is it like Actin-3 or something like that? It goes on the chart. They can see if it's in the muscle tissue. My wife ran cross-country at NAU

and was all distance her whole life. NAU is big time distance running, better than the big school. If you've never heard of them, they're the kings of the planet there. Northern Arizona University. And I was just down south of her in Phoenix at Arizona State, the number one party school in the nation. The point of distinction.

We didn't meet each other in college. God. Shit, I forgot why I brought up my wife running an NAU. Oh, her genetic balance. The genetics, yeah. So exactly the same thing. We finally get that done. And I knew that I had some form of being a power athlete

from all the days in football to my affinity for strength in wrestling, jujitsu fighting, all that kind of stuff. But interestingly enough, like she had that too. So now as she trains high intensity intervals, like that's the hack for her fat loss. she used to pound you know same thing she got injured in college and quit her sophomore year because her coach made her run through a metatarsal break sorry natasha yeah i'm telling you where i feel your pain it's disaster what a sorry coach but that's bullshit total bullshit freaking thoroughbred that comes to your campus

and you treat him like a mule. Yeah. I remember a pop-off from one of my fellow athletes one time where I was talking about my struggles in training. He's like, dude, why are you training like that? You're a thoroughbred. You're not a mule. I'm like, oh, and now I can go believe in myself as a thoroughbred

rather than believing in myself as a mule where I got to get up and work hard and be tough and all that. It's like, no, man, from this day forward, I'm a thoroughbred. You know the thoroughbreds? They have a term called exercise. The horse exercises every day. The horse boy takes them out and runs them and washes them down and rubs them and stretches them and they run around the track or whatever. It's only once every two weeks that they do a workout. And the workout is with the watch and the jockey. And they do a destined workout at the end of time for 11 furloughs or furlongs, whatever. But like, this is the finest racing animal on earth. And they take exquisite care of that animal because the animal costs $13 million. I don't cost that much. I'm 1.7 for Nike tattoo, right? But like,

these animals, they know how to train the thoroughbred. There's millions and millions of dollars at stake. They're very good at training thoroughbreds, except for at Santa Anita where the horses keep dying for some reason. But if we can take that analogy back to the human where you need to open it up much, much less frequently than you think so.

But if you don't open it up once a while hey you're gonna regress and when you're yeah 38 you're gonna be worse than 28 and 48 but it's like open the throttle once in a while when you're feeling it and you're totally pumped up to get through excuse me own the day right and then the rest of the time go with the flow take care of it take what your body gives you every day and nothing more if you're taking notes at home take what your body gives you each day and nothing more. If you're taking notes at home, take what your body gives you each day and nothing more.

Don't be a wuss and not start or talk yourself out of because you're not motivated. Go there, see what's happening, get in touch with your body, and then let it flow. But it's like way overboard on the work hard side and not enough attention to rest and recovery. Dude, you absolutely smoked it, brother. It's been an absolute pleasure having you on the show, Brad.

We'll have to do it again next year. Thank you, Kyle. Where can people find you online, on social websites, any of that dude stuff? Go to Nike. Excuse me, no, they didn't pay me yet. BradKerns.com. Thanks for asking. I have this podcast called Get Over Yourself. I want you on there. We're going to flip the mic over.

I want to learn more about MMA and climbing out of the cage and getting in the cage. But yeah, it's a fun new podcast. I've been on the Primal podcast and talking about keto and training for six years and hundreds of shows. So I wanted to branch out into health, fitness, peak performance, relationships, happiness, longevity. I had Adam and Vanessa Lambert talking about plant medicine on there. You're talking to a wussy boy who like, I didn't put anything in my body when I was

an athlete because I wanted to feel everything. I didn't put ibuprofen. I didn't put caffeine. I wanted to know if I was tired and all that stuff. And now like you listen to an hour show on that. It's like, oh shit. So I can expand my beliefs and go right into that, you know, live in that zone. It's very interesting stuff happening. You're on the cutting edge,

man. So keep it up. Thank you, brother. Thanks for listening to the Kyle podcast. Thank you guys for tuning in and listening to my man, Brad Kearns. I'm going to be jumping on his podcast in the near future. And I will for damn sure get him back on the show because we're just scratching the tip of the iceberg with Brad. I appreciate y'all. Thanks for listening.