LadyGang - Allegedly Wassa Happening (Becca's Version)

Episode Date: August 27, 2024

The update you've all been waiting for. Becca is here to give us her full review of the Taylor Swift London Eras tour. What did she wear? What did she love? What did she hate? Plus, we discuss the "It Ends with Us" Blake Lively drama, and does Keltie have drama of her own with Jeff Lewis?  Check out our amazing sponsors!! Nutrafol: Got thinning hair? Get $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping at Nutrafol.com and use code LGPOD. Huggies: Get your baby’s butt into Huggies’ best fitting diaper! Huggies Little Movers. We got you, baby. Progressive: Quote at Progressive.com to join the over 28 million drivers who trust Progressive.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

well what is this welcome to the lady gang that's amazing say that again the lady gang things are about to change around here each week we catch up with hollywood's hottest girl posse kelty knight becca tobin and jack vanik hello hello hello welcome to lady gang i'm becca tobin here with jack vanik and kelty knight hello you'll notice my clipboard is different today i have a floral i did in honor of the it ends with us drama my floral clipboard out just kidding um our other clipboards are packed away for the tour so i had to use my backup clipboard so cute so cute adorable adorable yep hi guys hi hi we haven't been in person in a hot second besides the tour oh yeah yeah but like in this

room yeah it's been a little bit doesn't it feel so nice it does feel nice yeah back at home i agree i wish i didn't have a hangover did you drink last night yeah stupid what were you doing this is so lame what just drinking by yourself in the corner we went to like so so ford did two weeks ago he did school like but it was like it was considered a camp at the school like i think i talked about this on the podcast it was like a shorter day but the same teacher same place like getting warmed up so last night was meet the teachers and like not meet the teacher like the official whatever cute so then we did an early dinner with one of our families that lives in the neighborhood whose son is going to school at the same school. And it was just, you know,

Thursday nights are tricky. They always get me. I always think that that's a weekend, but then when I wake up on Friday and certainly this Friday for a flight at 7am, I feel quite off my game. Yikes. I don't understand why I think I can drink. I know it sucks. It hurts. it hurts exponentially every single time but like i can't stop doing it i can't either i like hate it for a day and then i'm like really craving a glass of wine right now yeah it's hard a mimosa could get you back on the do you think i've never been the type that can do hair of the dog the next day even just one no let's try one brings me back it's 9 a.m let's try jack perfect time to drink i do have some orange juice in my bag from the airport which is another purchase i only make

hungover me too really when i travel yeah nice oj i feel it immediately in my bones i felt the same way about booze after the lady gang stop in dallas when because that's the only time you drink we drank but we drank tequila out of bucky's mega cups yeah and i filled it up i mean it was full and i don't i i just i'm such a bad drinker but then the next day we flew home yeah and then got home at like 7 30 in the morning yeah yes and then i took the day to recover and by the time i went to work on monday i was still not okay i know i know i was like what am i we booked all early flights to love it yes for tour that's my that's my hack we don't have to oh no i know but like i feel weird if it's not you know like well you waste your day see we got home at 7 30 that

that day didn't even exist yet then you have the whole day to recover so you don't have to recover the next day. The only, I do it even, I do it when, even when I'm like partying my balls off. No, that's the worst thing I've ever heard in my life. You get home before you even know that you're alive. No, on a plane hungover with no sleep is brutal. There's a special type of hell, but I'm at the age now where it's less about the alcohol sometimes and more about the sleep. So body aches. Yeah. Like I just don't know. Anyways, sorry. Welcome to the lady gang welcome to mid 30s late 30s are we doing um are we gonna do a good week bad week for this yeah but you're last because your good week is going into the rest of the episode is it

my good week is it a good week or is it a bad week okay do the whole thing okay it's time for good week yes it is bad week oh no jack i'll go first so obviously we all know that becca went to taylor swift so this is gonna be like a taylor swift themed episode i guess yeah i don't know if it's good or bad. No, I thought about the best title. What? Allegedly what's a happening Becca's version. You know, she does the Taylor's version. Oh, that's such a deep cut. It's such a people. No, they don't know. And also I just want to say before you start, sorry to interrupt the amount of people, the Facebook group has reemerged. It's real live. Yeah. Only because you went to Taylor Swift. I know that people are like, are you guys still knock knock? Anyone's

still there and then they're like has becca discussed it so no pressure also can i just say that like i won't go into detail but i really appreciate the lady gangers coming to my defense in the comment section of my instagram because people are like i thought i roll i thought you hated taylor i thought blah blah blah blah and somebody goes she's already addressed this on the podcast and i need you to pay attention like it was like i just love when people come for me No, they are coming for you for sure. Jack, go ahead. Um, well, okay.

I can talk about this later. Okay. My good week is like I said, Taylor Swift podcast, but I am fully in for Chapel Roan right now. Yes. I am drinking the Kool-Aid. I am on the bus. Like I have never loved anything in such a long time and I love it.

I'm worried about her. Wow. Have you seen all the, she's done a lot of tech talks about like her mental health and being famous and people like going crazy on her and be feeling like she's being stalked well she is being stalked yeah but that's also like this is what we discussed when i had this is my devil's advocate moment when we talked about um what's her name gypsy rose where there's just certain people who it's hard enough to be wildly famous as a healthy mentally healthy person i watched those TikToks and I was like she's either gonna leave music forever it'll be like a Fiona Apple yeah

or it's gonna get dark like it's making me very scared for her well I took it kind of differently because like her TikTok about the like the stock she has like multiple like crazy stalkers but like she's one of the only people that have like come out celebrities that have come out and said it where it's like I need a boundary yeah there is another guy that posted a TikTok about his friend like was friends with jason momoa and he'd come to a small town to hang out and he was like the way that people treat celebrities is like they're not real people yeah like they're there's like no decency ownership yeah and it's like and if you don't react the way that i want you to react to me now you're a bad person kind of a thing so i i just liked that she was just like super

authentic about that because it's like dude don't come up to me don't take a picture with me i'm a her also chaperone is like her alter ego it's not even like her anyways also she's wearing cute costumes so i love her i love i think she's so authentic i think that she's kind i love her like messiness her lyrics are just like stream of consciousness about just being a girl and but then her songs are beautiful i just think she's the best i think she's so cute and like i hope that she continues you know the dance the hot to go it's so easy yeah five six seven eight h-o-t-t-o-g-o you can take me it's very easy um i feel very torn about this opinion of celebrities and feeling bad for them for being i don't feel bad for her no not her like but like the jason momoa i feel bad

for her because she's young and she's like been very open about mental health struggles and that her rise was so meteoric and so fast but i do think that because people get paid so much money to do something so easy like in the grand scheme of things like jason momoa yeah um that's the that's sort of the trade-off like every job has a good part and a bad part about it and unfortunately when you make 20 million dollars for a movie that does mean when you go to a starbucks you might have to take some pictures with people or decide not to, but then also know that people are going to be disappointed. Yeah. Like have like a stinky reputation. Yeah. You're basically like Mickey mouse of Hollywood. So it's like your stinky reputation. I have a stinky reputation. I like

you Jack. Stinky reputation. I agree with that. But then also I think it's like you can have a boundary while still, yeah, I mean like total lunatics. It's like, it's not, it's nuts. It's yeah. But you know, I get it. Frozen cons. Um, my bad week is I'm starting to do this thing. I'm back in the Facebook group. So I'm like seeing all your posts, I'm commenting. I'm one of everybody else now. And there have been a few hilarious posts, always anonymous asking for advice. And I got approval from all these people that I can share them on the podcast. So I'm starting my own little mini series about reading these okay here's the post said random question but do any of your boyfriends insist on you calling them sir mine has been really adamant

about it but i haven't heard of a single person in my close friend group calling any of their partners sir and it quite frankly feels weird to me calling somebody my own age that he says that he just wants to feel respected but it doesn't feel right to me is this like in bed or all the no just let's call call jared's on a plane jared's on a plane i'm gonna call chris right now and just call him sir i'll do it after you it's such a good but why are we sir right well so she was in the comments and she was like he just wants to feel respected and all of the comments were like absolutely feels weird like christian or christian gray yeah yeah hi sir yes you're my sir i just sir chris

do you like it when i call you sir do you feel respected so not respected thank you for this sir bye bye here's the difference between how chris answers the phone when you call he said hi beauty beauty yeah yeah listen to this get ready i'm just gonna text you're at high star and see what he says okay just don't have kids this is what this will teach you or he just won't even answer dark he's always on calls you guys hear it i know the loudest talker ever loudest conference call talker nope denied denied no sir he's on a golf course of course sir your call has been forwarded oh it doesn't even have a voicemail what if i do a double call no i want to know

like what are what's the opinions i thought it was so weird no i don't like it she was answering some questions and they're like is this a sexual thing is it in the bedroom yeah that's what i was wondering and she was like no he wants he just wants to feel respected and they've been dating for a while too so it's not like it's like a 50 shades of gray thing but no she says it's not she said it's like he just wants to feel respected that's out of nowhere out of nowhere he probably watched a porn yes got it in his mind that he that it's hot and sexy yeah and and that's the thing she's like it's not sexual it's there's it's sexual there's just no way everything is sexual to men i mean i hope it's sexual because if it's not that's really weird yeah hello sir

did he grow up in like a military family i don't know i don't think so well i need you to bring the details okay no it's fine but i think it's strange but also what like if this is the one thing your husband is like this guy's great and she's happy in the relationship and everything else is perfect. And she, and this is just his ask. It's like, okay. I don't know. It's too weird. It can't be an isolated. No, no. Okay. We're having the debate right now. If we're going to teach Ford to say yes, sir. And yes, ma'am. Cause it's a very Southern thing. You definitely are. I think so. Really? Yeah. I, I like hate it. You do? I hate it. I don't like it i think because growing up in the south nice growing up in the south i just was like i don't

like that adult i have no respect for that adult i don't want to call him sir yeah well that's a you issue but it's like creates this weird like well it's like it's like a i mean it is a power dynamic but yeah i have a question for you but like most adults are assholes and they're not worthy of it's true that's why i didn't use it yeah but i have a question when you guys were kids did you call your friends parents by their first name or mr it was miss and then first name i so like miss becca yeah i think i did first names yeah you would yeah we're more casual though i have never like it's never did you use miss last name mrs last name wow interesting you know what i mean depends on what part of the country slash mrs like never yeah it's

interesting. Yeah. Like still to this day, like as an adult, I would never call my best friend's mom, Cheryl. I would call her Mrs. Melbury. Hi, Mrs. Melbury. Like never. And we're forties. We're elder. Weird. I think she has a new last name too. Cause she remarried anyway. Okay. My good week is that Chris Knight, number one fan of Lady Gang podcast has been listening to the Lady Gang and he was shattered when I told him, when I said that our marriage was in shatters. I how many times is this getting shatters and so, but since I've talked about this, but since then he came to me and he was like, I know when you're not happy in our marriage, it's my fault. And I need to buck up. And so he's been bucking up in a big way. I got to, um, my hotel in Vegas. I was

there for work and in my room was like a card and like a crudity, a crudity, a crudity, not, a charcuterie. And I was like, Oh, it's so nice. The, the hotel, the encore knew I celebrity was coming. And then I opened the card and it was from Chris. Hope you have a great show, blah, blah, blah. He's been doing all these really nice things for me. And then for our anniversary. Um, and then at the show in Austin, the first show of the podcast, he sent a cake, which was very, very cute. I had no idea. Very surprising that for anniversary, he listened and he heard that I wanted charms. And he got me a vintage Tiffany's ballet slipper charm for my charm bracelet. And it's the little things, it's not the most expensive gift on the planet, but it was so

thoughtful. He sees me, Chris Knight, marriage is no longer in shambles. We're doing just okay. That's really sweet. So sweet. And it's also sucks to hear that he, when your relationship, when you're unhappy, it's his fault. I was like, it's not, sometimes I'm just unhappy. right but like for me I know that when I'm unhappy it's my own fault in my marriage you know what I mean it's not Zach's fault it's nothing he's doing it's always your fault it's always my fault no I agree though I think when we are going through times where we're like not connected whatever it's both of our faults yeah but he I think I have therapized myself more and so I'm more which is insane but I am the person who will put my cell phone down on a Saturday now which is

wildly crazy, but I'm like, or at dinner, put it in my purse and just like, want to talk about my feelings instead of work or whatever. Like that's wild for me. So we grew up together just being like work, work, work, work, work, work, work. And now I'm like, I want quality time. And he's like, who are you? So he's happening to like meet me in the middle a little bit, but like those little gestures are so, so sweet. Stupid. I love it so much. I love that. Okay. My bad week is my relationship with Jeff Lewis is in shambles. Jeff Lewis. I'm talking to you, Jeff. Sometimes I appear as a chump, which has been very wonderful. Jeff has a huge show on Sirius and I love chumping, but it's a thing. You get up at seven 30 in the morning, get into glam. They have a

whole thing that they judge your outfit, not full glam, but like, you know, I'll do it. Yeah. Like I don't not rolling up in a sweatsuit. I mean, I will now. I don't, well, if you ever asked me back. But, um, they have this whole thing where on Fridays they judge your outfit. So you have to like put an outfit together. Like it's a whole thing. And it's early in the morning and who judges your outfit, like the other chumps, they have like a Friday thing where like outfit of the week and they, you know, choose the outfits anyway. So Jeff, like he's been very adamant that he hit something about his serious deal does not allow him to go on other podcasts. Cause I've been trying to get him on lady gang for so long and the girls want him.

Well, Jeff was recently on, I think it was Dumois. I saw him on another podcast and no, and two teas and a TT or whatever it is. Two pods and a tea. And I was like, you know what? He just doesn't want to come on lady game. What a great excuse. I know. We should start making that easy to get caught.

Cause then if you actually want to do a podcast, like he's, I don't think he does. I don't think he wants to do other podcasts. And he's like, I don't have time for this. if you want Jeff Lewis, you come and listen to the Jeff Lewis show, which I totally get, but I'm sad because I've asked him multiple times and he was like, I could get special permission. And then it just kind of went like, I don't know the truth. Jeff, have you confronted him about this? I haven't been back on the show. I will confront. I'm confronting him right now on lady game. Does he listen? Probably not. I'm going to clip this and send it to his assistant.

shane shane i see you wow she's shaking in my boots shaking and jeff's like i don't give up okay becca okay should we do this when we come back sure okay when we come back becca's good week bad week aka taylor swift review now back to the lady gang okay we're back so i did attend taylor swift for those of you who didn't hear the podcast where I introduced this journey, this adventure. My sister won a ticket lottery of sorts to get tickets to the London show. She was going to give them up or sell them. But then my mom thought, I'm just going to pay for all of us to go to London together. My mom, my sister, my niece, myself. Um, and I love London and I hadn't been to London in such a

long time. So I was down and I was like, yeah, I'll go to Taylor Swift if it means I can have four days in london yeah you know hell yeah um and you haven't taken a trip without ford no i mean zach and i did like a new year's eve trip with friends last year like yeah but i haven't done a girl's trip you used to do girl's trips all the time with your friends so we this was really it was really really really fun so we land in you know london stay at the cute the browns hotel is like the oldest hotel in London. It is beautiful. It's you have to stay there. It is so beautiful. The room, whatever the service, everyone's so nice. So we go there, we have tea as soon as we land. I love an afternoon tea. It was wonderful. So anyways, the whole, the,

the concert fell on the next night that we were there. So, you know, we have to prepare and go very very early because it's just crowds it's a 92 000 seat arena so insane it's wembley where they play soccer oh my god so it's massive it's chaos it's you know all the things so it's really cute everybody's dressed up you know the whole thing it was exactly what i was expecting my niece is so excited oh that's so cute she's so can we talk about your outfit my outfit was a 30 h&m sequin dress it was perfect reputation era i was so mad that i had to dress up but my sister's like i'm wearing a sequined what did she wear she wore like a short a sequin short with a sequin blazer and a cowboy boot cute my mom was in a sequin top and quinn of course was in a sequin

dress full outfit so i was like i'm not gonna do this to her she's a child if it was adults that i was going with, I'd be like, you can get over it in my, my jeans and my sneakers. Right. So I wore this like H and M thing. Um, and here's, okay. I want to say this Swifties, please don't come for me for my unbiased opinion of the evening. Okay. Yes. Give it to me. Number one, there's no doubt that Taylor Swift is a, is an icon. She performed for three and a half straight hours. When does she pee I have no idea is it a bucket because they she must well no I can go three and a half hours without she probably just well it's I guess it's weird to not drink any water I did the rockets and it was almost two hours and we didn't pee really yeah that would be my nightmare I

wouldn't be able to get yeah I don't I mean I'm I guess what if you take a laxative at the wrong time and I don't think she's taking laxatives knowing she's gonna be in front of 92,000 people but what she probably does have like a bucket or something while she's changing yeah like do a changes yeah so okay so here's that's what i really want to know i know me too i'm like less travis kelsey more people where are you shitting if you have a diarrhea attack great question um okay so here's the deal i the problem is the misc the mis disconnect for me is i have never emotionally connected to her music yeah so it's really dead i haven't either that's why I'm like I have no there's zero connection I felt like I was in a church service

as a non-member so you're like this is great sure could be you know yeah and he's touching all these people around me in a special way and I'm watching this really beautiful exchange between an artist and the concert goers but I myself was more of a fly on the wall because as much as I love some of her songs I do love some of them yeah like her reputation era is definitely my favorite because she's a little sassier yeah so there were songs that I was like yeah I'm feeling this but to be honest with you even if it were Celine Dion I don't know if I could sit through three and a half hours of a concert yeah three and a half hours is such a long time like even my niece who is such a super fan yeah was kind of fading yeah moments and I'm just thinking

what does she do at the end like what are the later situations going on like is it high energy at the end is there ever i have so many questions okay go ahead yeah no but you're i'm not in the end i mean it does it definitely like she has like a build and then she comes down for like folklores a little bit more you know chill and then yeah and then it kind of like they produced it out as best you can for three and a half hours to keep people excited but it's like it's really i think in my mind i there's nothing i want to watch for three and a half hours unless i'm in sweatpants and i am horizontal on my couch i can't even do that i can't sit through a movie right so were there times where you could sit or were people standing the whole time it was really

that's what's hard for me as an elder yes people didn't sit during the piano section no some people did and some people didn't so if the person in front of you decided yeah oh you're kind of screwed that's what's hard that's what i liked about when we went to third eye blind well because we were in the front row we were in the front row of the seats we could always we jammed but i jammed from my seat i can jammed from my seat probably still not three and a half hours that's so long it's a long time it's interesting even when i went to see celine dion god i love you so much but i've seen both of her shows her residencies and the last one she talked for like 40 minutes like she talks and it's amazing but i was like i'm ready for dinner yeah like yeah you know nothing longer

than two hours well that's yeah it's a lot okay and they they had she had two openers um three and a half hours just her or was that just her i mean maybe she's like three hours in like 10 minutes maybe you weren't you didn't go for the openers yeah because you kind of because if you wait um you can't get it um the security oh that's kind of cool she is amazing i mean hayley williams is one of the greatest vocalists ever the acoustics in a wembley like in 92 000 yeah it's hard kind of sucks yeah and i felt bad for her because i'm like she's so talented yeah but it just you like echo the sounds like i it blows my mind sorry it blows my mind that there is a world where paramore is opening for anybody because they're like they're huge i know but it's

like it's yeah the other artists i get because they're like like gracie abrams open for her she was smaller like that's their friends she's just like i just come along yeah you know and then you see like it's not selling 90 000 seats you know no but they're massive yeah yeah Yeah. Yeah. Um, so we, you had to go, we had to go early because if you wait, you're getting stuck in, like it already took forever to get us in the doors going early. What snacks did you have?

Also, Wembley doesn't have a great situation for food and beverage. It was also very hard to get a buzz on because they didn't want people drunk. I understand, but I, it was, it was, it was challenging, you know, it was not like the, whatever. So anyways, but here's what I'm going to say. I sat down in my seat, of course, ready to come at this from like a very skeptical, whatever mindset. Granted, there were moments that I caught myself like, I still, I really don't like

that she's in a flat boot. I really just like that she's in a tragic, some of them are amazing. That's what's crazy is that the flat boot actually is not a huge, it's not a huge amount of time she's wearing it, but it is a flat boot and it hurts my feelings. And then she's in like a weird tap shoe looking thing for the t-shirt era where she wears the, she's in Oxford and it's, it's weird. It's weird. She's granted she's five 10 and she has really long legs so she can pull off a flat Oxford, but pulling it off and like slaying it is different when she's in the heel boots and the things I'm like, yes, she's moving. She's much better dancer than she used to be.

I think Mandy Moore, who choreographed it, did a great job making her, yeah, like her ability. I feel like, yes. And she knows how to work a stage. I mean, she's really like, but you know, I am of the Britney Spears generation where Britney is dancing her ass off and as good as her backup dancers. Granted, she's not writing her own music and she's not singing. Right. And then there's the Christina Aguilera camp that I come from where it's like, she can

wail her face off. So I don't really care if she can dance Taylor's abilities and her magic is in her songwriting, in my opinion. So that is hard to appreciate as somebody who a doesn't really connect with the music. And also it's not really being displayed, like watching her in her documentary. I was the most impressed by her. This was a couple of years ago when she didn't miss America. I was like blown away. And I was like, this is a true genius. She's a true artist. she's I like that's my favorite version of Taylor so her like performing shake it off in sequence I'm like okay yeah cool take it or leave it cool like this is whatever but I got sad because as I was judging her and also judging her hair for not having like a proper styled hair yeah it's just

kind of down yeah then I was like Becca shut the fuck up this doesn't happen to men like if Justin Timberlake's performing nobody's upset that he didn't change a shoe or change his hair or you know i'm like she doesn't need to she has nothing to prove she's putting on a crazy great show you know so i caught myself just trying to be more fair about it and being a little bit more feminist yeah and so it grew on me did i think the red lip for the entire three and a half hours was a little bit much sure but does she want to she's ballsy she's performing for three and a half hours she doesn't want to change her lipstick yeah okay like she's fine she's playing she's playing instruments in real time. Ed Sheeran came out, which was to me, the number one of the entire

songs that they sang. They sang the one that they did together, which is, um, what's the name? Everything has changed. Yeah. Everything has changed. And then she sang his song with him, which I'm now blanking on. But anyways, it was cool. And it was the only night that Ed Sheeran came out in London. So that was really cool. And then this is my final takeaway. Another thing that's so unfair about being a woman in the entertainment industry. She has clearly been coached on how to speak to her audience in these shows. And so she never once in the entire three and a half hours said anything regarding, thank you for coming to see me. It was always, thank you for coming to see us. Thank you for coming. Or this is the heiress tour. Like it's very much

packaged as if it's a show that she's just the star of versus justin timberlake's like i'm playing madison square garden come to the justin timberlake concert i'm justin timberlake it's it's just so it's clear to me that who if it's her or if it's people who around her they make it they make her either pretend to stay very humble or she's just genuinely has that instinct to be humble but it's it's it's weird but is it weird becca because we i feel not that the dallas house of blues is the uh similar to wembley but like we feel exactly the same way when we're making lady gang shows but we are a group we are a group so we can talk we can say we know but not it's not just come see becca jack kelty no i know but we don't we are not like

come see Becca Jack like our shows it's like come get us all together the lady gang the audience is part of the show but that's a different I think that's a different thing yeah it's different because if it were just because the lady gang is a community Taylor Swift is like a fan but I think that I think Taylor Swift is a community she looks at it similarly but it's it's like here's an example she stopped at one point in the show and it was just an eruption and it went on for like five minutes. And she just stood there like taking it in. And then at the end of it, she was like, wow, anytime my band and I is having a bad day, we're going to remember that moment. And in my mind, I'm thinking your guitar player is not going to think that those cheers were for him.

You know what I mean? And that's okay. And I'm sure some of them were, but those people were screaming their faces off because they're seeing Taylor Swift. So to me, I'm like, it makes me sad that she has to be that calculated because otherwise if she shows that she really thinks we would kill her but i'm sure justin timber like i don't know why this is the or justin bieber or like one of those dudes right he could absolutely hear the cheers and be like holy shit you guys are here for me yeah this is epic yeah no it's true it's true it's like no i never everybody is like yeah we are here for you yes and it's like this i don't know if it's faux humility i don't know if it's i mean i know there's humility and i know she knows she couldn't do this without

her whole crew and tour and all the things, but the people that sold the tickets, it's one person. It's her, but you know what I'm going to say, and I might get in trouble for this, but I'm leaving it in is that this is very interesting that I do think that Travis Kelsey and her are great together because I just interviewed Travis Kelsey. I'm not allowed to really talk about it till it comes out in October. Um, but it was really interesting because almost every answer he gave me that I asked about him, like, are you worried about the upcoming season? You're so busy. You're like blah blah he brought it back to a team mentality like that's but that's a very sports thing but hockey players do the same thing it's very sports but it's also that he had media

training yeah no I know this is media training it's the same thing as the Rockettes I wasn't allowed to be like you know who the bitch of the Rockettes is stage right end girl fuck she's the bomb you have to be like when we dance together we are better but he also probably had a whole slew of new media training once they started dating that's what I'm saying he got media trained the shit out of when he started but i i don't know i mean also she does something interesting where if you go to adele and you see her in concert she tells funny stories she like is sassy she does this thing taylor also like she shares her feelings but she doesn't really share opinions yeah oh well that's and it's like it's like kind of like textbook keeping your

congregation is by never never saying anything that could polarize an audience yeah and so and I understand also that it's also like part of a protection of who she is as a human she doesn't want people to know exactly who she is yeah so she keeps that stuff in but then as a as an audience person I'm like I still don't know who you are well that's the thing I feel like she's been a mastermind at like pretending to show everybody who she is through her music through music through the easter eggs through this yeah and then but like nobody knows like what what the do her and travis kelsey talk about that's what i want to know yeah like i don't think i know her after watching three and a half hours and usually you leave a concert and you're like oh that person

has a really good sense of humor or wow that person's like has a dirtier mouth than i would have assumed like it's like fun little things that you get to discover right but that's like by design because that's how i mean it's worked for her because people feel connected without knowing well devil's advocate press the button i would say that you know her if you can if the music touches you yes you know her like i know that's also like she's not able to express that or doesn't want to or they're saying don't do it like from the words but the songs are it but it goes back to your opinion where it's like you know her feelings but you don't know her opinions like i don't know if she watches housewives no you know nothing about her right nobody knows anything

about her and they know like how she feels about relationships breakups and breakups it's you actually because also it's like genius level genius of if you're always sharing your like vulnerabilities which she is in her music right then people are going to resonate with that yeah you know whether it's I mean I'm not saying every single person I'm one of the people that doesn't but I can at least things that yeah good I can at least listen to the music and be like wow she's really brutally honest about like this breakup or this feeling or being sad or heartbroken or whatever. But at the same time, I'm like, this is her staying really neutral. It's very safe. It's so safe. And even though you can keep all of the different fans because you don't,

cause you don't have opinions. That's the thing. And even on this podcast, if I go into a podcast to record something to please everyone, it usually means I'm sharing a lot of my opinions to myself and just simply like being here and being, sharing feelings. Feelings are universal. You can't really get mad at somebody for having a feeling, but you can get mad at someone for having an opinion. Yeah. And I just think that kind of sucks to be a woman in this industry and know that that's what you have to continue to do to keep the masses. But see, this is why I love Chapel Roan. Right. Cause she's not trying antithesis of Taylor Swift in so many different ways because of that kind of stuff. Exactly. Yeah. I have a question. Um, did you like, did you have a

favorite era of the production wait okay sorry i have another question but it hasn't that kind of has some reputation because she was like it was the most non like politically correct version but like i'm talking stage production yeah that was like great the dance they she like utilized her dancers the most in that um her costumes really are great it honestly is just that flat boot in the oxford in the weird t-shirt era to me that i was confused by i love that blue the cerulean blue dress oh you know it works like it it's weird but she pulls she pulls stuff off yeah even her hair by the end of this show i was like i see her she's kind of a badass for doing her hair like for just letting her hair do what it's doing i love it and i love it it's out it's

like zhuzh is out yeah you're listening to the lady gang on my tiktok it's like all of these posts from the show of her like doing random things and they're like rep tv is gonna drop at midnight tonight this is because rep tv is gonna drop like what is that what's rep tv i know what it is it's like her version of reputation like taylor's version yeah like rep tv yeah but like it's like she'll blink her eyes twice and people are like it's coming at 2 a.m yeah there's like a whole but like it hasn't come everybody's like what's coming tonight and it's been coming tonight for the past like four months but she does do these crazy easter eggs like i can't even get into it because i don't know enough about it yeah i have a question did you see the hot dancer

the hot man dancer oh javik i did see him and for a moment in time i was like oh he's hot i wonder if travis is okay with this but then i was like he knows he's hot yeah you know and that's not the guy yeah but did you see him like hump that like in the lavender he like humped i saw on tuesday he like kind of he appears to be but i don't know i mean he's cute yeah but her her dancers, maybe it's cause it's such a huge arena. It's hard. You can't really feel that connected to any performance. Like one of the dancers is, was on glee for a long time as a backup dancer or as a dancer in the show. And she's one of her backup dancers. Like she's one of the most talented dancers ever. And you're so far away. You're so far away. They are used a lot, but not

as much as I would. It's a lot of just Taylor on stage by herself. Wow. A lot. That's surprising because that's not what it looked like in the movie at all yeah it's really um did you think the stage like the lights and the sound and like it could have been better really to be honest like in my mind i was thinking when i saw reba mcintyre my first concert ever that bitch came down in a car from the ceiling yeah in like an old vintage car stadiums how she's she can't come from the ceiling she can't from but but there are limitations with stadiums i am aware there limitations but i do think like adele's piano catches on fire in the vegas show they're just where's the pyro there's just there just wasn't like a whole lot to for the amount of money that

tour is making it and maybe the international stuff is is more they probably tear it back that's what uh balvin had to do for international right because it's like you can't even get the shit on a ship they brought the folklore house to which i guess was like some big thing she was like can you believe it came to came to london but in my mind i'm just thinking you know it's 2024 like i saw reba come down in you know 1996 a vintage car from a ceiling oh my god like all the shit that fallout boy had at their tour and they did stadiums so like 8 25 000 so it's like a fourth of that but it was like i'm like what the fuck is all this stuff it was crazy the amount of stuff that they had the most exciting thing is when she like dives down into the yeah not great

i mean it was just jumping into a hole that you know a mattress is underneath yeah it's just i think it's cool. She goes down and it's also like, I know everybody's going to come for me about the limitations of the whatever, but I do think that her next tour, she should hire someone different to design her, her set design. Wow. Well, you know what? Listen, Becca, I think this is a very interesting take. And I think you've been, you know, we knew you're not the biggest swifty so it was like having someone who's not a swifty right go and like the things that you liked you like the things that you didn't like you like like I want everyone to give you grace here because you're allowed to not like things yeah and you're allowed to like things like I think

you dislike it right I just that's the disconnect the tickets that we sat in that my sister like full disclosure those are thousand dollar seats that's so insane so how close were you as close as you can be without having to stand on the floor. Wow. Whoa. And I just felt like I wasn't able to get a good gauge on it. I want, I'm curious to know like what people that are true Swifties that spent that kind of money, how they feel. Right. You know, like that's to me, I'm like that stage doesn't say a thousand dollars to take it to me. Here's the other thing is I'm gonna, again, devil's advocate you. I would say as someone who grew up loving the theater, theater, a big, like a big concert like that does not do it to me. I've been to multiple,

I've been to pink. I've been to like, I mean, it's hard. Yeah. Like the Coliseum is different because it feels like a theater, even though it's like 5,000 seats, but you feel there's something about, like, I just went to a show with Chris the other day and I was like, this is massive, but it's like, it's so overwhelming. And there's so many people around you that the intimacy of being at like a broadway show where you can literally see the person blink and like a little just like a show get a little bit of water in their eye or something like i live for that which is why i loved like when garth brooks did his little wind thing in the round like i i think that there's something about it's so cool to play stadiums and it's so cool to be the

biggest artist on the planet and like bravo and you do what you can but you lose some of the intimacy and I think as people who grew up in theater you like you're hungry to like be touched so deeply in your soul but when you're that far away and everything is so big and you're under the sky it's a different experience you're so right because I actually think if I would have seen her at like the Hollywood Bowl I mean granted she's not playing these small venues anymore right but if I had seen her in a smaller more intimate setting I think I probably would have been a really big fan yeah yeah you know right like i think i would have gotten the i would have understood like after watching the documentary i was like i'm a fan i'm a fan after her fans

started to scare me i was like well maybe i'm not a fan right i can like her and not be a swifty right but yeah i think if i because when she would do her acoustic she did her acoustic set and like that's when ed sheeran came out yeah i was like she is really talented yeah but this is what she to me this is what i want to see her doing is playing her guitar yeah singing the songs and like that's where the value is but then there's no intimacy so if i were to see that in a smaller space i probably would have been like really really moved moved yeah 100 you're right it's like i saw harry styles at the ryman auditorium in um like for an under when he just launched his solo career and i think the ryman is like only 2500 seats yeah it was one of the best concerts

I've ever seen in my life. The acoustics are incredible, but like being that close to him, you were like in this church with him and it was so crazy. I saw him play the forum and I didn't think it was as good of a show, but I think it's because I crave that. Like you want him to look at you. I mean, yeah, I guess. I don't know. Like I, a big show like that. Like I don't like too many people. No, I totally get it. It's very hard to feel connected when there's 95,000 people there. Okay. Do you feel complete? Is there anything you'd like to say before we move on to Blake Lively? Yeah, I feel they're friends. So that's how that's a good segue. Transition. It ends with us. People want us to talk about it ends with us. For those of

you, we got to know that a lot of people are not up on pop culture when they listen to the podcast and this is how they get it. So I'm going to do a quick rundown. It ends with us is a Colleen Hoover, Coho book. And before Colleen Hoover was this big thing, Justin Baldoni found the book and optioned it and it's spinoff book and decided he was going to star and direct and write the script for this book. Oh, I don't know that he found it before it blew up. Yeah. Before it blew up, he found it, which is like the only way he just someone, no offense to Justin, someone like Justin could have the rights. Well, that's what I was confused about. Yeah. Yeah. So he got the rights. He got the everything to it. He made the movie. He cast Blake Lively. Then there have been

rumors since they were filming that there has been bad blood between literally now we got bad blood, bad blood between the two of them that Blake didn't love the script. She tried to rewrite it. She had allegedly Ryan rewrite it. Then they didn't get along. There's a story going around Reddit, which I do not know is true that he has had a bunch of back surgeries and there was a scene where he had to lift her and he asked her how much she weighed and she found that very offensive. Like these are all person on set that the intimacy coordinator, how much she weighed Because he has like a back thing and you can't lift more than 120 pounds, which like she's five, nine.

So like, you know, anyway, so all of this stuff happened and then the movie came out and the marketing has been berserkle berserkle. So Blake has done this whole floral method dressing, which we talked about with Andrea, which has been really fun to watch, but it was very strange as time went on because I was like, they're never together. Like the leads of a movie, you, it's like, it's like Glenn Powell and Sidney, they're getting married yes they were not he's her literal like fiance was a pup you know but you want to believe the magic we haven't seen them in the same room they allegedly when they did the premiere

they both watched it in different theaters with different people so they didn't even sit in the same theater um he said nothing but lovely things she said nothing but lovely things but like the rumors around it have been so bad that then it came out that he had hired a crisis pr because there was like this takedown of Justin being so horrible to her and all this stuff. A couple of days after he hired the crisis PR, all of these horrific interviews of Blake being a real mean girl started popping up on the internet. So what, like the crisis PR people, whatever they're getting paid, probably worth their weight in gold. So that came out. She has yet to address these horrible interviews that came out. People are coming after her.

Well, it's not just horrible interviews. There's some stuff from the past, but then it's also just interviews that she's done for the, they're like comparing the interviews that they're doing for the movie. Recently she did this interview with Jake, who is a person I know that I've traveled around the world, a very, very smart interview. And he asked her like, Hey, this movie is about domestic violence. What do you say to people? And what are you going to do when people want to come up to you and talk to you about this? And her answer was very like, and I actually wanted to know Becca from you because like, I know that you have been asked the same questions over and over and over again for a decade we've been in the room with you when you're doing press and people

ask you these questions and you're like what you want to say is i can't believe you asked me this question again yeah but that's not a question she's been asked a million times as specific to the movie but if this is a press day and she's on day three of press and she's probably unasked about the themes of this movie for three days straight is there a point where you're just like i don't care i'm just gonna what did she say to your friend she was like you're more than your was that the one where she's like you're more than your trauma she said what do they want a GPS tracker they want to come to my

house the question was like what you know this is a very serious movie it's about domestic violence approach you yeah like what if they want to talk you whatever and she's like it's a weird question she's like you can share my location or like do you want to text me like it was very very bitchy and like toned off as

answer should have been I'm so glad that people are resonating with this movie and this is such tough topics. I don't know that on a red carpet, I'm going to be able to give these people what I want, but I want them to know that I'm thinking about them and I'm always rooting for them or something. No. And a big part of like, it's, it's comparing by like how the two are reacting to promoting the movie. She's like, he's very thoughtful. He's like very serious about like domestic violence. And then she's like, this is very performative. Like, let's be honest. He's

like, I'm also kind of, I'm, I think two things can be true. No, for sure. I think he could kind to be a little bit of a weenie who's like a performative i mean he has a podcast about like being a good man or something like right i don't know i feel like it's the type of thing where if you're a good man you don't need a podcast yeah and i don't like it when any guy like his his wife sorry i just cut you off i'll go back to this i'll go back okay sorry no and then and then the way that she's promoting is like promoting her hair caroline she's like grab your friends wear your florals and head out like it's supposed to be like a fun little like yeah i was shocked when i saw the trailer and there's yeah because i saw all that and then i

saw the trailer and I was like, Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. It's just, and then now other interviews are coming out. I mean, she just seems like a bitch. Here's the thing that I think I've never done the amount of press that Blake Lively has done. I've done like a, like you're saying, like a tiny little percentage. However, there are times when you actually want to look at somebody and be like, this is the dumbest question anybody's ever asked me. And I really don't want to answer it, but that's also part of the job. Like how we were talking about chapel rounds. I was literally going to say that. Yeah.

That is when you sign a contract, you actually, part of your salary for that movie or project or whatever is actually built in those days of press where your job is to promote the thing that you just worked on and all these people worked on. So suck it up buttercup and be pleasant and do all the things you're supposed to do and say the things, especially dealing with a domestic violence movie for her to have not paid absolutely most, the most had the best media training and not in a manipulative way or calculated way, but like talk to somebody who has dealt with domestic violence. Like how am I supposed to talk about this? What is going to be triggering? What's going to sound

supportive? Like what do I do? Whatever. So she shit the bed, totally shit the bed, her PR, like they've shit the bed. And I have a feeling she probably runs the show. So she's probably paying PR $10,000 a month to basically just yes her to death. Well that, and that's a big thing that people are saying too. It's just like the tone deafness and the complete disconnect between her, between her celebrity and like real people is really showing through the whole thing. It's like, you just do not understand anything that's going on in life with anybody. And with him, I'm triggered by him walking out to do like a premiere or something. And his wife is there. Who's a beautiful woman. His wife is gorgeous. She's like Swedish. And, and he did the thing

that really bothers me that men do. It's so performative where he walks out, everyone's there to see him. It's his thing. And he like looks at her and he like presents her like she's the, you know, the like hope diamond, you know, he's like, look at her. I mean, wow. And he's like mouthing it. It's the same thing. I felt like anytime I, a guy introduces his wife as like, you know, my better half, like she's out of my league, my hot, what? Like I won the lottery with this one. I'm always like, there's some darkness there. You're, you're overcompensating for maybe being a douche. Yeah. Doesn't make him a bad person. I don't think either of these people are bad people. I think that they, she really fucked up, but everybody now is coming out of

the woodwork saying she's been a mean girl and she's been a bitch since gossip girl. Yeah. Do I think that means she should have like her career stripped away from her? No, there's bitches everywhere. There's assholes everywhere. Yeah. She, the only thing she should be held accountable for is how badly she's disrespecting people who have had domestic violence in their lives. Like she's an idiot how she's handling it but i don't think she needs to be canceled and thrown off the face of the earth the way people are treating her she will be but people are coming for her i mean they are ready to cancel but it's also a lesson in if you're just nice your whole career then if you fuck up one time people will forgive you but the reason she's not being forgiven is because

it's been years allegedly of bad behavior percent well and it's people and it's getting like pushed under the rug for so long and then it's like okay well now everybody has a fucking story about how badly you've treated people. Yeah. And so what's so fun about this with all my like journalist friends is that we are now on a text chain, all sharing our stories of like what interviews we would love to leak. Because I'll be honest, like the publicist's job, you know, essentially is to sit there. And after you do an interview, if their client comes off bad or there's a question they don't like, they go in and they're like, you're not allowed to use that. You're not allowed to use that. You're not allowed to use that. And so editing is their

friend because what shows up on TV is the edited version of like, we've all mutually agreed. This is the person we're putting forward. But what's happening is because so many of these big stars movies and TV shows not included because contractually they have to do press, but so many of these huge stars, they're no longer talking to the press. They don't want to for these exact reasons. So I understand, but what's happening now is like, I know two huge television shows that just laid off their entire digital site. Like there's no people working there. So what's going to happen now is the only thing that's going to be is that eight minutes you got at that movie junket. Some guy's going to go in, upload it from scratch. It's going to sit there,

no editing, no thought it's going to live there. And so all of these very raw interviews are going to start coming out. And so if you're not on your ball for all eight minutes, like I've had be on your ball for eight minutes. I have, I have had so many interviews where people specifically females, mostly females have been such absolute assholes. I had a very similar interview that happened to the one that Blake got with the bump thing, like nice bump, nice bump. And then they just, the two female leads just talked to themselves for five minutes so that I couldn't get a question in. That's happened to me. It happened to me in New York. I can remember it like it was yesterday it is such a bad feeling and it's such mean girl behavior it's like

petulant children because they don't want to do it it's the worst part of the job and you're taking it out on people that they that interview with her was so bad i also didn't want to interview about secret life's life of pets three i didn't give a about that movie we're all just doing our job and by the way i waited i flew i waited six hours i prepared these questions buck up buttercup exactly well buttercup is my new saying to your point that you've always said it's like my job is to help you promote your movie. So it's like, it's not like I'm asking you for a favor and my job is not to take you down. Like I literally don't care enough to take you down. Yeah. Truly. Maybe if Diane Sawyer comes, she wants to make, I just want to do my job, give the children what

they want when they watch entertainment news and call it a day. Like I just did this interview, Travis Kelsey. They're like, no Taylor, no politics. I was like, fine. Tell me about your podcast. Like, I don't care. I don't care enough that I need to like run the world. Like I just want to do my job this is reminding me of something so jane lynch when we did glee said this thing about people when they get famous or rich like they don't become anything that they weren't already it just amplifies who they were underneath it all you know what it's like taking adderall it just amplifies you do you think it does but here's what i what i keep thinking about with with blake lively so she and ryan are now so wealthy from all their business ventures

mobile they are he owns the soccer team she like they she has i watched this whole thing on instagram about her betty buzz is her brand the drinks yeah no the drink oh no i know but she named it after her daughter oh oh did she that's cute so she has all that she's got this whole beverage thing he has like another tequila something some other whatever liquor they are they're very, very, very rich, very rich. So she no longer needs to be beloved in movie in entertainment because she doesn't need it to survive. Right. Her livelihood is no longer movies. Granted, she's going to, she can do them and she can make good money, but all the money comes from another place. Yeah. So this is actually showing, I think in my opinion, someone's true

colors because she, when you have no reason to behave well, there's nothing you're actually going to lose if you don't behave on your best behavior and you're just being who you are, then maybe at her core, she is a petulant child and maybe she's not an amazingly decent human or like empathetic person. But she, all those years before she was really, really, really wealthy was kind of keeping it together as much as she possibly can. But like it started to seep out, but it's like, it's just amplified. I think maybe the person that's in there and I don't think she's a demon i just think we want our celebrities we want to believe that all the things that we see are genuine but like no offense when glenn powell actually that's not true glenn's a very nice

person but like sydney sweeney is lovely on a press junket because she needs people to like her because she needs to pay for her 20 million dollar house yeah blake doesn't need it anymore so she is who she is well we want to talk about the j-lo divorce but we don't have time but we'll save that who cares honestly there's nothing to say there's nothing to say mic drop I had so much to say. You did? Yes. This was really fun.

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