LadyGang - Alli Webb

Episode Date: August 21, 2018

The author and founder of everyone's favorite on-the-go hair secret stops by to talk about how she turned Drybar into a $100 million business and became an amazing Lady Boss! Follow the podcast on Instagram @theladygang and you can email Jac, Becca and Keltie at Hello [e-mail]! And thank you to today's sponsors: Amazon = Go to amazon.com/shop/ladygang to find their favorite products while keeping the podcast FREE! Brooklinen = Get $20 off and free shipping when you use promo code LADY at Brooklinen.com Daily Harvest = Go to Daily-Harvest.com and enter promo code LADY to get 3 free cups in your first box Grove = Try Grove with a two-month VIP membership and bonus gift by going to Grove.co/LadyGang LaCroix = For more information join the LaCroix community at @lacroixwater or check them out at www.LaCroixwater.com  Stamps.com = Go to Stamps.com and click the Radio Microhpone icon at the top of the page and type in LADYGANG to receive $55 Free postage, a digital scale, and a 4 week trial  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hey guys, it's your Lady Gang, Jack Vanek, Kelty Knight, and Becca Tobin. Thank you so much for subscribing on iTunes, and thanks for supporting the great sponsors who make it possible for us to have this much fun with you every single week for free. Well, what is this? Welcome to the Lady Gang. That's amazing. Say that again. The Lady Gang.

Things are about to change around here. Each week, we catch up with Hollywood's hottest girl posse, Kelty Knight, Becca Tobin, and Jack Vanek. Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to the Lady Gang. I am Becca Tobin here with Kelty Knight, Callie Knight, and Jack Bannock. Callie Knight! You've got a new member!

She just licked the microphone. I know, because she's famous. She's trying to talk. Oh my gosh. Let her talk. She's so cute. I love that she has a, it's like, what is that called?

It's a bandana. Like a little Mexican blanket. No, but it's like the Mexican blanket. Yeah, because she's a Mexican. Because she's from Mexico. I'm honoring her heritage. She's so cute. She's so cute.

She's like, well, then pronounce my name correctly, bitch. She knows. That face. She knows. Okay. Should we just go into it? Just jump right in because I've got to pee. Okay.

It's time for... Good week. Yes, it is. Bad week. Oh, no. We're just beginning. Jack's already like, you're Haitian. Who wants to go first?

I'm going first. Bad week. Wow. No, here's the thing. This is my bad week. I was recently in an airport, and I ordered some Mexican food and a drink. From where? I just don't even know.

It was like a Mexican place, and they ripped the paper out, and they were like, just sign here and if you want to tip you can leave it there since when did we start having to tip on fast food i'm so confused by this since our minimum wage is embarrassing that's why that's why well i'm just saying that's why i don't blame them because our minimum wage is like half of every other progressive countries like when you go to the airport and you pick out like a sprite and a chocolate bar and then there's like they ask you if you want to tip cashier i'm like i'm not tipping at the cashier that's why it's it's so frustrating like i just i don't understand why we can't just pay people more like why people have to rely on tips like in australia they don't

tip because those the servers there make so much freaking money per hour but that's also a difference but because servers make less than minimum wage the people at these things probably make actual minimum wage yeah so the tipping is that is i feel you though it gets a little crazy and you're like what am i doing why can't we just pay employees more so they don't rely on tips what am i tipping you for i guess you're cooking i mean i sound like an asshole i'm just saying i used to make four dollars and 14 cents an hour making chicken sandwiches and there was 20 years ago it is right it was 20 years ago i hate everyone i don't like when i go to a walgreens you know and i pick up some cough medicine and they're like leave the tip yeah for what well that's the thing that's

like even at like some botox places they have a it's like when they have an option for tipping i'm a good tipper i always tip becca's mad at us she thinks we're cheap no no no i never said if i don't tip or not that was just you i don't think that you're cheap i'm just saying right now there's a really great thing happening in los angeles where a few restaurants have joined this thing where if you are a i think you have to be full-time i don't think it's part-time but they have it on their checks that it's included you cannot tip more even if you wanted to but that's also because the extra money that you're like you're paying a little bit more for the food but it's because they're they're providing the servers with full health insurance so like

why can't everybody get on board with that because a lot of people are not getting health insurance through their jobs so it's like i'm sure a lot of people that are servers at restaurants would be like i'd rather have bomb ass health insurance than have to rely on these cheapskates and their three dollar tips i understand good week recently i found out about a new instagram account called grammars in the wild and what it is is it posts the behind the scenes photos of like the thirstiest instagram girls taking their pictures and so like how i found out about it is it like a chicks in the wild offshoot it's a grammars in the wild so like okay here's how i found out about it I recently posted an Instagram video of Jack getting an Instagram taken by her friend Afton.

I saw it. It was great. And they stole it and reposted it to Grammars in the Wild. And they're like, species Jack Vanek caught being thirsty and desperate on Instagram. It's all that. So you're so famous, Grammars in the Wild. Did they call you thirsty and desperate? There it is.

What does it say? What does it say? Hold on. Oh, I did see that. Grammars in the Wild. Number one, at least. The incredible Jack Vanek posing for the gram. Hashtag grammars in the world.

Then they weren't mean to you. Also, at least that's a video from you because on Chicks in the Wild, which I'm assuming maybe this is an offshoot of, they have people that are like zooming in, finding people doing that. That's embarrassing when you think somebody's not filming you. There's Callie's twin with Jack's twin. That's so funny. Okay, what's next? Jack, you're next.

Also, when you said grammars in the wild, I thought it was going to be something with, like, bad grammar on, like, signs or something like that. And I was going to be really excited. You would think that. Whatever. You're a dork. I'll go. So my good week is I have, like, a lot of cool followers on Instagram. Like, some celebrities follow me.

Oh, my God. I have all the cool followers. But I never cared as much about somebody following me other than when Aaron Carter started following me. That was a big day. Then when my favorite thing in the world, Aperol, started following me on Instagram. I saw this. I saw this. You drank so much they started following you?

I should be their number one ambassador. Yes, true. I've also turned the entire lady gang onto Aperol Spritzes. Yeah. So they... I didn't even know Aperol Spritz was like Aperol was a name brand. Oh, yeah. I thought it was just like that's what it was called.

I'm almost... Like sex on the beach. I don't even know if they make any other drinks with Aperol other than an Aperol Spritz. Wow. It's kind of weird. But anyways, I'm very excited that they followed me. love them send me all the apparel um my bad week so i was smoking the other night before i went to bed and when i smoke i kind of think everything is weird do you when you smoke like everything

i'm like that guy's face is super weird oh my god death and i like start having existential crises and my child isn't your jam but then i have to smoke a little bit more and pass me out but anyways so smoking the other night i was looking at my explore page on instagram and this video popped up of this like instagram famous couple and now you're talking about that she was supposed to come on oh and she did it because of the breakup after she wore thong to the met gala remember anyway continue no i don't she at the met gala she was the correspondent for vogue continue it's crazy anyways it was her and her boyfriend that were breaking up and then i went down another k-hole of all these different influencer breakup videos because when they

break up apparently they think they need to like let their fans know why so they both sit together talk about why they broke up and it is the craziest thing i've ever seen because if i ever had to do that like i would kill my well no fake it's all fake um is it well yes no it is fake because you know they hate each other and they're just trying to like they want views i wish hollywood would do that like angela and joey sit down together and like let's start a relationship they're not desperate well and that's the thing i'm like celebrities don't have to do this why do influencers because the lady breaks up we're making a video yeah the youtubers make their money from views so they are literally gold they will probably be these youtubers are probably going to

be filming like every single square inch of their lives it's insane because it's what that's what they make some money yeah makes you money i ended up on this one youtube video of did you ever remember that band we the kings yeah back in the day so it was the drummer of that band they all became like youtubers him and his girlfriend broke up they filmed a video and then they both left and filmed their own respective videos of them crying in the car and then like put them both onto the compilation of their like reaction to their breakup i want to cry right now it was the weirdest thing i've ever seen like it is so odd and it made me like question everything in life let me bring a little light to this conversation i have a new phrase yes oh god it's so good

we'll be the judge of that okay let me paint you a picture i'm gonna i'm gonna put it in context let me see this jellybean first paint it girl hold on someone sing i can't get this jellybean out of my teeth oh my god all right we're gonna do this okay i give you her name is let's call her britney britney is getting married she's having 17 bachelorette parties she you get to her wedding there's a gift bag with monogrammed everything there is like every possible thing you can imagine bride centric she's been wearing white since the day she got engaged that is called bride so hard it's a good one is she briding so hard you have to bride briding so hard isn't that so good like the girls who just freaking love briding yeah it's like the opposite of me right

yeah and my friend erica was talking to me about her friend's wedding she's like it was very surprising she was like writing so hard I love it I love it it's great right it's great bad week shall we yeah um okay well I went to an audition I know you guys really like my audition

stories so sometimes I like swallow my pride and I tell them there's a tv show that's going to be on your televisions coming soon not lady gang that's the only one that really matters but the one the secondary one I'm still auditioning for scripted shows so I have this really exciting project I would be playing opposite like one of my favorite actors

ever in television to play his wife and I'm like oh my god dream job dream job and like you try not to get worked up too much because you're like you never know what happens I've been in this business too long to do that however I like definitely put the work in like I coached it you know I took it to like my acting coach I really like put in the time you put in the work I get to the audition and usually what happens is there's a casting director and sometimes there's like a producer like depending on the level at which you're entering this audition process sometimes you have to like just meet with the casting director and then they show the tape to the team and then the team's like oh she's great let's see her in person well I walk into

the room and uh it's the casting director and there's a tripod there you know and um she starts doing the scene with me yeah and i'm like in my mind doing the scene but mostly i'm just thinking she didn't even turn on the camera i walked in the room and me as myself before i opened my mouth was did not warrant a record button okay so like this uphill battle is sometimes so uphill it's like so she's climbing everest in an ice storm she's like becca tobin and the minute your eyes locked when she pulled you from the waiting room she's like no definitely no yes that's don't even waste the tape that is don't roll the tape don't roll the tape but here's my question i am a human and so is she she's been in this business a very long time pretend pretend i'm not gonna

know if you pretend to push record but touch the camera at least humor you for all the work you put in me so then i'm like sitting there being like nothing's even recording me i don't even it doesn't matter if i give you a meryl street performance right now no one's gonna see it so um yeah that was my bad week why am i still in this business i'm so confused i'm so confused and then i found out who got the job yeah and it's a bummer it's a bummer it's a bummer city kelty knows who it is it's a bummer bummertown.com see if you guys can figure it out yeah guess if it's a new show whoever guesses who gets it you get to be our you win lady gang of you get to record my next audition you should bring your own personal one next time someone with a handycam be

like just in case you forget to press play but i see you didn't press record i'll do it for you you want me to do it again should i do it again yeah no the next time that happens you should be like oh i'm sorry to stop but did you want to press record on this because it's gonna be great it's gonna be gold right now because it's gonna be great it's gonna be so good okay he's coming up speaking of so good so good a lady i think she sold her company for a hundred million dollars so she's way better than us bye good god now back to the lady gang our guest today turned at home blowouts into a 100 million dollar business but she's not just a good hair day she's a total lady boss too with over 3 000 employees a product line and a book

she's here to teach us how to make lady gang a 100 million dollar business without actually offering you any type of self-improvement also she loves dogs please welcome to lady gang Allie Webb. Welcome. Hi, welcome. I know I was stalking your Instagram and I was like, oh, you know what? She's our people. Yeah.

She's our people. Well, and it's funny. I was stalking your Instagram too. You may have noticed I even like reposted something. I was like, I like these guys. Like the first thing you said was like, it was like all female in power. And I was like, I love these guys. I'm definitely in.

How is it in the blow dry biz? It's good. It's busy. A lot of hot air. It's dry bar for anybody listening. It's dry bar. Sorry. Oh, I didn't even say dry bar.

Sorry. She did it? That was all we need. That was really our area. Dry bar, dry bar, dry bar. Yeah, dry bar. We have 100 locations across the country. That's insane.

We are quite busy. We're actually just about to do a bunch of press for the 100 because we're not turning 100. We opened 100 locations. It's just, I know, so crazy, mind-blowing. I always stay at the Parker in New York, and there's one in the basement. That was the second location in New York, which we've actually just expanded. I don't know when you were there last. It just happened.

And we've kind of built out this like dry styling and product, like really building out products because it's like 40%, almost 40% of our overall business now. So you've got the best dry shampoo in the biz. It's our number one seller. Thank you. It's like, it is a cult favorite. I mean, and we've built the whole franchise around detox because everybody loves it so much.

We've added a new fragrance. I saw that. All this cool stuff. So what was your aha? Like, when did you think, I mean, we were just like, we want to create a job that we can't get fired from what was your inspiration well that's half the battle right yeah I mean well you know I have naturally really curly hair and I grew up in South Florida and I just always like was hated my hair even as like a little kid I didn't it was just frizzy and crazy all the time

and I was like how do people like you know Christy Brinkley and Cindy Crawford you know big super models at the time like how do they get their hair so bouncy and shiny and perfect and I was so like curious and mystified by how that all happened so anyways you know fast forward to like years and years of high school of trying to figure it out and like blow drying my hair the night before and it was really frizzy did you ever iron your hair on the iron totally did and that was like the great that was before that was pre-flat iron pre-flat iron get your friend's mom to lay you down we did it all the time and i remember that because it really worked and i had like super long hair and we'd be like just ironing like it's a pair of pants amazing it was the great

You never did that, Jack? No. I mean, I had flat iron straight hair. No. Oh, you're so young that you came up. Sorry. Jack's so young. She wasn't pre-flat iron like us.

That's like pre-cell phone. It doesn't even exist. But when I started beauty school, when I was like first started beauty school and then when I was working in my first salon, that was like when flat irons were introduced and they were like super duper thick, the big ones. They were like a sandwich size. And they just burned your entire forehead and all that. But anyways, they've evolved.

But my aha moment, I think it was like – I really feel like it was like a lifetime of buildup and always wanting this. And I feel like, you know, I didn't go to like traditional college and I couldn't like figure out my thing. And when I decided to go to beauty school, I felt like I had like found my people, like the place I wanted to be. And, you know, it wasn't until I got married, had kids, was a stay-at-home mom, and was just like blow-drying all my mommy friends all the time because there wasn't a place for them to go. It was like full-service salon where you're overpaying for a blowout or someone coming to your house and you know is super expensive. So I was like, why doesn't this exist? And I went to beauty school in South Florida, and I used to work on these little old ladies because they would come in for a $1 blowout or haircut. That's how beauty school works.

And they would go on and on about how they would get their hair styled. They used to get their hair styled in the beauty parlor, and they'd leave it for a week in the coif. And I was like, all that behavior kind of went away, and I always felt like, why? And obviously, you know, hairstylists typically want to get, you know, $300 or $600 for a haircut in that hour versus doing a blowout. They don't want to be bothered with it. So it just kind of went away. So I realized, like, I think it should come back. You know, I mean, I personally wanted it.

And I knew enough other women out there who I thought would want it. And we thought this was, like, an L.A. thing. Oh, Callie. Callie's really whiny today. She is really whiny. She's been fine normally. but anyway do you feel like you're a little bit of a kindred spirit with me because i also went to beauty school you did long island beauty school that was like mine it was like it was

brutal there was like this weird woman who came with a scrub brush and she's always scrubbed my head for like 45 minutes and you're like a scrub brush that's weird like it was so weird anyway who knows what would have happened so you did you drop out no i finished it but then i was like not into it see i had a very different experience like i got there and i was like i love it here but i'd also like flopped around a lot and was like what the fuck am i gonna do with my life It's like, what, what am I going to do? And my parents were like that too. And my brother, who's now my business partner, he was like this super overachiever and like

Michael's like, you know, going to do great things and like, and so, and so, you know, fast forward to dry bar and all the success we've had. We've been, you know, it's very, it's been very rewarding, gratifying for me that my brother's greatest success is this business that we did together. Yeah. So did your brother go to college or what? He went to FSU. and you know he worked for yahoo like back when yahoo got like really crazy so he made like a

good chunk of money back then and yeah he was he was always really successful and just like very um business savvy he always was and that's you know we actually before i actually took the plunge into beauty school michael and i had worked for nicole miller which i don't know yeah okay good um but you know that was i was like really aging myself but you know back when she she was like that was like her heyday and it was like Cynthia Raleigh and Nicole Miller and Michael and I both worked for Nicole Miller and we were living in New York and we decided to move back to South Florida open up a couple of Nicole Miller boutiques which ended up being like the worst thing ever and Michael and I were fighting like crazy and I thought my parents were so upset

because it was going to ruin our relationship because we had always been so close and that's when I actually decided like I need to go to beauty school because I want to do what I want to do but you know working together at that point which was so awful really informed working together now which is like okay we need ground rules like these have to be different our parents thought we were out of our minds for like doing this again but it you know obviously it turned out pretty well so you always knew you were going to do something like this what did each of you think you were going to be when you grow up oh my god i thought it was well when i was in high school i thought i was going to be a photographer because i was photographing bands and going to

concerts and all that yeah it's very almost famous now you're an instagram icon so you know you know becca in like the fourth grade i made a poster of like all the things you want in life and i had a picture of julia roberts because i wanted to be an actress oh my god and you are an actress can you believe it i also wanted to be an actress when i was a kid that was my vision board so smart i think vision boards are legit we're the same let's hold hands no i'm telling you that like my so my husband's also my business partner in dry bar and he like when he was working on an advertising agency in Santa Monica,

a really good one. He was writing like Jack and the Bugs commercials, which they used to be really funny. Oh, yeah. They were super funny. Yeah, they were.

But he was a creative director. He did a great job and he was making a good salary, but you know, it's like you can only get so far. And he put up on his wall this like house that he saw

that we both loved and he put it and he's like, I read about this thing, The Secret. I think I like that. And so he put this thing on his wall

and like, I kid you not, we live actually like five minutes from here in this like big white house that's exactly like the house oh love it put up boom yeah it's a mirror message that's crazy it is crazy we and now we have like you know we keep putting up stuff yeah on the wall because we're like yeah i have a question where is your inspiration wall is it it's in my i have an inspiration wall in my office okay but um and cam has an inspiration

wall in his office and actually i mean it's it's funny because i'm on a podcast i probably shouldn't say this yet i'm so bad with keeping secrets but cameron has actually like so my husband has always been the creative and branding like mastermind of dry bar but he's recently like split off from dry bar to start his own agency which is called cwa cam web agency and so we're kind of in this like new stage of life and he but sure enough he had and he had a vision on his little vision board which is not really a vision where it's like his wall like this cool um space for the office that he wanted and I think we just found it. It's real.

I need to make a vision board. You need to make a vision board. Damn it. No, I'm going to tell you. This is a weird story. You can still do it. It's not too late. I was like, I want to be able to pay the lady gang this year because we've been working and building and as you know, when you start a business, every penny goes back into the business. And I had like a number that I wanted to pay us

this year and literally two months after, it was written on my list. Two months after I wrote that number, something came through for us and it's going to put that exact amount of money in each of our pockets like it's just crazy the way we're creepy i know since you are lady boss we have some lady bossy questions for you advice to ladies since we're on the topic when it comes to money and dealing with money and business and

money and investing in yourself and your business and when's it time to pull the plug and that's a lot yeah a lot of questions i know um well i mean i think it's funny because i have girlfriends who i girlfriend i was just talking to about this at lunch the other day it's like she's they just bought a new house they're a little like overstretched and she's like so my husband's kind of freaking out he's like watching me like a hawk and spending money and i remember you know being like that and my husband found this app this budget app that literally anytime you spend money you kind of put it in so grocery shopping like you know shopping massage like food anything that you're doing you put it in it like automatically adds it up and says like you know you have this

much limit and it just keeps subtracting it so you know you know come like june 20th you're like oh shit i only have you know 200 more dollars i'm allowed to spend and then you don't go over and then my husband wouldn't worry about me spending too much and he wouldn't be mad if he saw me coming home with bags because he trusted but i do think it's a really good like thing because i think a lot of times people do live outside their means which i've always really tried not to do and i think that like as you grow you have to be responsible with your money you have to save money and i think that as you know dry bar has grown and we've seen success it's like i have a lot of like really smart, much smarter than me, people around who know how to manage money, who I, you

know, who I trust. I also am very lucky that my brother is my business partner and he's introduced me to the right people. But we, you know, we are very careful with our money. We're careful how we manage it, you know, all of that. So, and then when it comes to like, you know, the business, I mean, that was also something that was very, very new to me. Like we've raised over $50 million to date from different private equity and all of that. And that was like such an education for me. But, you know, you learn and you ask a lot of questions and, you know, you figure it out. I have a question about that. When did you do your first round of funding for it?

Was it in the beginning? So the very first round, I mean, it was really friends and family. So when we first opened Drybar, and I don't know if you guys remember, but in – what year are we in? 2018? We opened in 2010. So, you know, we had – it was such like so strong out of the gates. Like I don't know if you remember, but like Daily Candy wrote about it and it was like a whole thing. And it was brand new.

And so we were getting so much attention and we were getting just clients like saying, I want to invest in this. And like friends, like they felt like they knew it was going to go somewhere. So that was kind of the first like probably like million, two million dollars. And then my brother wanted to franchise because he wanted us to be able to like build and, you know, footprint sooner, which I didn't want to do because I didn't want to let anybody else like mess up. Yeah. Right. Scary. So that was a little crazy, but it ended up being our lawyer and his wife in Texas.

and they were amazing and they still are like one of our best franchisees so that that ended up working out but then um and then again this is where it's like so great to have a business partner who understands like the role of business and my brother is like i feel like you know we're gonna need to hire ahead of the curve or if we really want to like do this big we're gonna we need money like we're not we can't grow organically in this first year or two so that's when we started looking into private equity and started talking to like you know roomfuls of men in suits who were like, what the f*** is a blowout? Right, totally.

It means you don't wake up with your hair looking like this. Yeah, exactly. It was like a sister or wife or somebody that was maybe like, oh, yeah, I've been to dry bar, but we were really small back then. We had maybe like 10 locations. And so it was like a lot of dodgy conversations. But we did end up getting private equity. And that's like where you start getting big money.

And that's when we really started to grow the product line. That's when we started to open more and more stores and hire a professional CEO and all the big company stuff that comes along with that. So crazy. How do you deal with a busy schedule? Like we're at the point, I mean, we didn't just invite you here to help us with our company, but I think a lot of people, we've had different lives in general, but we've had other experts talk about time management, I think, because the thing is, is when you're building something,

it's like all of a sudden, all these new things you didn't know, they're going to be pulling you in a million directions. So what's your advice for that? Gosh, that's a tough one. I mean, I guess it's like, you know, finding the balance and priorities of it all. And especially like for you guys, you have all three of you. It's like figuring out what's the best and highest use for all of you versus everybody at once. I love that best and highest use.

Yeah. I feel like when one of the analogies, I think it was like one of our private equity guys said once it's like for the first couple of years, it was like we were like five year olds at a soccer game. Like everybody's kicking the ball. And you're like, OK. And I remember that because everybody that worked for us went to every store opening. And we were like, why are so many people here? I mean, our people. Why is everybody in our company at the store opening?

But there's not a single guest. It's just employees. Yeah. I mean, it was just like, well, and actually it was busy. And then our employees were like taking up the front room, which drove me crazy because when clients would come in, there was no room for them to sit. And I was like, we were like, this is crazy. And it was that like soccer ball analogy where it's like you have to, I think, prioritize what's, you know, again, highest and best for everybody, which I've had to do. And we've I mean, we've all had to do.

And especially as the company has grown and, you know, I used to and I'm sure you guys can relate. I used to like do every single thing myself and now slowly but surely started to delegate more and more out, which is hard and you don't want to give up control. But then I think there's like, you know, then you find like your Zen about it and you're like, yeah, you go do that, you know, like it's nice to have like, I mean, it's, you're giving up a level of trust, but you have to find good people. And then when you do, you have to trust them. And that's, I think the rub, you know, it's like always surrounding yourself with people that are better at their jobs than you would be.

That's what I did when we got Elena. Elena's way smarter than me. She's way cooler than me. She can basically do everything. But that's what you need. And, you know, because I think a lot of so cool, Kelsey, I'm like, but that's the thing. I think most a lot of people make that mistake is that is that they're not thinking like that. It's like, you know, you're you're it's good.

I mean, we were powerful and we're strong and we're confident and we want all of that. But like you have to recognize what you are not good at. And I think that I mean, understandably, that's hard to look in the mirror and say, you know, I may not be the best person at this. But when you especially when you have other people around you, like for me, it's my brother and my husband who were like, yeah, I mean, nobody wants me doing payroll. role like that would be a disaster you know i mean there's a lot of things nobody wants me doing but there's a lot of things that i'm really good at and i know what those things are and so we very much like stay in our lanes and i think that's part of our overall success really working smarter on earth did you and are you still working with your husband you know it's funny we have so many

people ask that are you married yes and i can barely choose a couch with my husband like i want to murder him at the end of a day yeah no i know i it's it's weird i mean we've always my husband's also i don't know what your husband's like my husband's you know in advertising always been advertising he's very like he's just like so easy going and he's so even though i say that but it's like he's he's also like very very opinionated and he because he's in advertising like he thinks everything's a bad idea and he has a very strong point of view most like creative but it worked for you yeah but then he's just like he's just like so nice and easygoing and even it was funny yesterday so you know we used to have you know dry bar now

like i told you he's cwa and i was i guess i was calling him and a bunch of the creatives were in the office and he's like oh i gotta go that's my boss calling and i was like really you said that yeah so i think he kind of knows he's just so like chill and easygoing i guess That's why it works. You're lucky. Yeah. But we don't work super close together. You know, it's like I'm like never in the office anymore.

I'm always like out and about doing other stuff. You're on top of each other. Yeah, we're really not. And there's such a high level of respect for what the other does that it – You're different enough. Yeah. And it's the same thing with my brother because, I mean, you can make the same argument. That could also be impossible.

Yeah. But we've always been like best friends, so it works too. The bigger problem was my husband and my brother working together. and in the early days it was like a dick fight yeah that was a little stressful because in the early days before we figured out like our groove is because michael and i my brother have always been super close and now this is my husband also super close but cameron would like show me something creatively and then i would show michael and michael would be like oh you know i don't like this isn't that and then i'd show i'd say oh cam michael didn't like this and he's like what the

what did you do and i'm like i don't know i like it you know and so i'm like you know and it was so stressful i was like i cannot be the go-between anymore and finally i was like you guys talk and figure it out and that was like the best thing that ever happened in a room learn to love each other because you're not going anywhere and then it was like a beautiful thing and they're great together wow yeah what is the secret to a good blow dry i thought you were I was going to say blowjob. I thought she was going to say that, too. And I was going to be like, oh.

You look like a square blowjob. That's the next question. I mean, listen. It's a lot of little things. But I'll tell you, the biggest thing is taking your time. I feel like most people rush through a blowout. And they'll be like, even when I'm talking to magazines and giving tips, they're like, how can you get a great blowout in 10 minutes?

I'm like, you can't. It takes us 45 minutes, give or take, to perfect your bloods because we're perfecting each and every section before we move on to the next. So you should at least aim for that at home. And I feel like I'll ask women, like, you know, show me how you section. And they, like, take half their hair. And they're like, this is a section. I'm like, that's not a section.

A section should be, like, one to two inches long. And, you know, if you were to watch or study a stylist blow out your hair, you know this is what happens. So it's like give yourself some time and then it will last you longer through the weeks. That's always my best advice is take your time. I love that. Okay. Last question before we go to Ask the Lady Gang. If each of you could change heads of hair with one celebrity, who would it be?

Oh, shoot. I mean, Becca Tobin, but no. I love your hair, Becca. Oh, thanks. I would pick Sarah Jessica Parker. I love her hair. I was going to say that. Her hair is amazing.

She's got, like, great texture. It looks good straight or curly, any color. Her curls are amazing. Yeah. How's Shakira's hair looking? I have a fun fact about, oh, Shakira has, like, some fun, like, from being a bunch. I feel like I have a fun fact about Sarah Jessica Parker when she was on Glee. So, TV hair, they're psycho, and Kelty knows this, about flyaways.

Yeah. So, they will come up to you. If you have a beach wave on television, it's actually, like, tragic. They take like pomade and whatever. Sarah Jessica Parker obviously comes with her own person and she just looks at the DP and she's like, no, this will, this will have flyaways and like, and it's not changing. We're not changing it. And it's like, that's why she looks so beautiful on television all the time.

Now I need to go back and watch that. I need to look at the hair again. She will not let you fix a flyaway and she will like her, her hairstylist was like, you can try, but like, we're not. No, it's true. All the time when I wear my hair curly because I'm still wearing it out and they're like, i'm like and then i'm making a helmet and they come in and they just make it like this but it's like why now i look beautiful we're shooting stuff you know that's what like my husband and

everybody's also there like all these flyers i'm like i like like the frizz on the outside you know yeah that's not so interesting yeah and she always looks way better than everybody and she's like no back off and she's like that's because nobody's flattened it down to my head like drown rat all right like she picked your blowout she fixed our blowouts she fixed becca's hair literally this morning no yeah i went to dry bar this morning in west hollywood looks fantastic probably once a week yeah amazing blow drying yeah and well that's the trick of this business is that everybody hates everybody hates it nobody likes to get no matter what kind of hair you have which by the way i thought dry bar was only a business for girls with like curly hair

like me it turns out everybody kind of wants that they can't have which is why it works 100%. And when we come back, she's going to help you fix your life. And we're back. So in this section of the podcast, we're having our listeners writing questions and we're giving them questionably good advice. So we're Lady Gang in their life. Are you ready? I'm ready.

Is this like rapid fire? Do I get like one word? Oh, no, no, no. You can think about it. Sometimes they're way too long. Okay, gotcha. stuck in this hold on i don't want this to come crashing down oh it's stuck in the curtain godspeed becca jack will read the question all right okay go first question comes from katherine

katherine says almost all my friends are in healthy and happy relationships and i am not my last boyfriend was a guy i was with about two years ago and i've been ready to be with somebody new for a while i have fairly high standards it's hard because i always go between looking for someone and following the mantra of he'll come when i least expect it and i should focus on myself and the right person will come along do you guys think i should try to put myself out there more and if so how or just keep focusing on me i think keep focusing on you i feel like you know it's like you don't have to have the guy to make you happy i think i think it's like when you're when you're like a happy like truly authentically happy i think people not just guys i think people

kind of gravitate towards that versus that like true desperation yeah not attractive so i think keep it but also get your heart and your head out of your cell phone and look around at who's checking you out of trader joe's you know what i mean well i have to say i'm open to the sides like brian how he told us i've talked about it before like the second i deleted all my dating apps i'm single by the way the second i deleted all my thank you thank god no i mean i don't i don't i know you're married got that no ring on my finger um the second i deleted all my dating apps and I finally like took my head out of my phone and when I was

out at like a bar or a restaurant or whatever I would look around and see who was around me because that's where I would meet people. I'm not going to meet somebody swiping around on the couch anymore. Hey, I met my husband in a bar. Swiping around on the couch. You did? Yes, in New York City. It was a bar named Hell in the meat parking

district before there was actually like, it was cool. When there's actual meat. Yeah. There was literally meat hanging on the street. I know, I used to live there when there was meat. I was like walking home at 4 in the morning was there now yes before anything was there it was like a little gay bar and my husband used to hang out where all the with all the gay guys because he was like there's always like a cute girl like hanging around the gay guys he is a smart man i think that's a good like definitely the females that go to gay bars are fun yes oh great and and by the way to her question i wasn't

looking you're not looking for a guy when you're hanging out with all gay men is it my best friend who i was with that night this gay guy i lived with when cameron was across the room like from And Alan looked at me and he was like, he's straight. And I was like, oh, good. Awesome. Like, I'll hang out with him for a little while. He's so good. I mean, he sounds amazing.

I know. Actually, a lot of the bartenders at gay bars are straight men. Yes, I did have some things with bartenders. Oh, yeah. I had like a tattooed, like, cool bartender at the same bar. But that's another podcast. That was a story. All right.

our next question comes from an anonymous anonymous says so i started just dating this guy we're actually exclusive and it's only been about a month we were both 30 and it moved pretty fast he invited me out of town on vacation to visit friends in in new york city next month and i'm confused as to what the proper etiquette etiquette is for finances i have always dated men that paid for my flights and hotel and i just assumed that's just how it worked maybe i'm just old-fashioned help i want to know if i'm making a big deal over nothing my mom told me to get out and thinks it's bs did you edit this question yeah so she got invited to a trip and he didn't pay for her flight or anything say i'll get your flight right so she had to buy her own ticket he

was like i booked my ticket here's my flight i'm on you book your ticket right but they've only been dating for a month it's only been a minute so she's wondering if that's a red flag or not Becca? That's an interesting question. You did long distance. Who paid for those flights? Well, that was different. It wasn't like I dated a guy who was going to Hawaii actually for work.

And he's like, would you want to come? And I was like, oh, I don't know, maybe. And he just booked the flight for me. And it was like a real boss move. But I'll say that wasn't the expectation. I think that some men also – like we have single successful male friends who are looking for potential wives. And I say to them, don't set the precedent up front that you're going to pay for everything and foot the bill even if you can because I think that that attracts a certain type of woman. And you know what's so interesting?

I was just talking to a guy who's straight and he's like 22 or something. He's a baby. And he's like, I can't meet women in LA. He's like, they're all like kind of taken care of by these older rich men. And I was like, huh, is that true? Like, I'm like, I don't really know many single women. I feel like all of I'm like, you know, I'm old and I have like mom friends and we're all married. So I don't even know.

And I was like, that's crazy. But he's like, I'm telling you, I meet these like gorgeous girls and they're so like young and pretty and smart and funny. But then there's like there's some everything is paid for. They live in these amazing places, drive these amazing cars. I'm like, whoa, it's like L.A. weird culture. I think if he says, I'm going to take you away. No, and I was going to say, per the question. It's a month in.

No, but the question is, they're going to New York. He invited her to go to New York City to visit his friends. Like, if he was inviting you to do something that's on his accord, he should probably pay for you. Yeah, well, it's like he's asking you to come. So like, hey, I'll get you a ticket. Yeah, it's like if somebody invites you to dinner as like a date. Isn't there a month in? Yeah.

And she said it was moving fast. I feel like when I, after a month of my relationship with Cam, it was like, well, man, we knew that was it. like you just kind of like it is what it is yeah i mean say i'll get my flight no say can you pick up my flight and see if he puts you in jet blue mint or regular no i think what you do mint is the best mint is great i think what you do is here like if he's a cheap you just want to know if he's like a cheap person you want to know so study the rest of his behavior because you can pick up on that pretty quickly this might just be him not maybe not wanting to offend you or not knowing well and that's yeah it's the hard thing with yeah dating and stuff because it's like

we're so independent in this day and age as women right so sometimes i feel like men get a little bit scared being like okay is you're gonna offend her if i offer to pay for it because she wants to like yeah your own independent person yeah all that stuff oh yeah i feel like it's all getting lost in translation all over the place all right our last question comes from 20 something tina rub it in tina what you got tina i know you're 20s make me feel really bad for being 31 okay 20 something tina says i've started working my first corporate level job and i am making more money than i have ever made in my young adult life yay the only downside is that i spend two hours one way getting to work i live in a small town on an island so a ferry into seattle is the

only way for me to pursue a corporate career despite working out every day this commute leaves me immobile most of the day and as a result i've gained close to 30 pounds over the last year i do my best to eat healthy and to be active do i pursue a career and the better paycheck at perhaps the expense of my health or do i focus on my mental and physical health in the meantime and take on a lower level job here in town why don't you move why can't you move yeah we're like waiting for her to answer back listen i think you need to move like if she's making this much money she can probably afford a nice replacement i'm like life is short like don't waste your like that's a big chunk of time that you're wasting commuting if you have a good job i mean we do appreciate that

you have all those hours in the week to listen to lady gang i know she probably listens to every episode that is when you catch up on podcast don't cut your commute but listen you can also like go on a run and listen to yes right we got that cover well seattle's expensive but you could live outside seattle and still have a luxury you get like an apartment like a studio or something just to like cut that yeah i mean seattle is an expensive city i know that but i believe in investing in your future and you're going to be investing in yourself you dress for the part you want yeah and you're already having this much success in your 20s at this corporate job can you imagine where you're going to be by the time you're in your 30s and 40s you'll be a much better

version of yourself if you like you know are working out you lose the weight that you gain so you feel better like yeah you need to move yeah and don't look at it as so black and white i'm very much like an extreme person the same way where one day i'm just so stressed and i'm so upset that i'm like i'm gonna throw it all away i'm gonna quit everything i'm gonna move to wherever i also think that's like a young thing because i feel like i used to feel i think about this a lot it's funny that you said black and white because i feel like when i was younger in my 20s i was like i remember i would get like pissed at things like with my parents and i'd be like no this is how it is and now i'm like everything is gray it's like you can like even

I think I'm more into politics than I used to be. And I'd be like, yeah, man, I can see both sides. I'm like, who am I? I know. It's weird. I think that happens as you get older. It does. Where you start to see things like that.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Thank you so much for being here and blessing us with your fabulous hair. She didn't tell us. She did. She said, listen to the Lady Game podcast. Oh, yes.

And I quote Allie Webb. We're going to actually put that on t-shirts. That's cool. You're welcome. We're your people. We use your power color yellow. It's fine. so you can follow her

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