LadyGang - FLASHBACK FRIDAY: Matt Nathanson

Episode Date: October 21, 2022

The singer-songwriter and the crush of Keltie’s life pops into the studio to talk about his favorite aspects of music and listen to the weirdly-detailed journal entry about how Keltie first encountered him. Original Air Date: March 12th 2019See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Swiftie again. And so I just don't want you to hold me to that because we're all growing and learning and our opinions change pretty much every day. Without further ado, welcome to Flashback Friday. The Matt Nathanson episode. This is cited as an episode that people continually go back and listen to because it's so embarrassing. The Lady Gang's love, well, mostly my love for Matt Nathanson runs so deep that I read him a journal entry from my journal about my love for him on the podcast to his face. Um, this is like a classic lady gang episode and, um, I hope you enjoy it. Well, what is this? Welcome to the lady gang. That's amazing. Say that again. The lady gang. Things are about to change around here. Each week we catch up with Hollywood's hottest girl posse,

Kelty Knight, Becca Tobin, and Jack Vanek. Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to the lady gang. I I'm Becca Tobin here with Jack Manning and Kelty Knight. I just housed some Doritos and some Fig Newtons. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It's here. What? Oh.

I'm like, what is happening right now? I understand. The guest. Yes, the guest. Guys, this is Kelty in the rarest form you'll ever see her in. She is fun. Fun. But I don't want to waste any time.

Let's get to it. Got to get ready. It's time for Good Week. yes it is bad week oh no i want to go first yeah okay first of all good week um matt nathanson is here my number one favorite singer and in honor of him i've been listening to matt nathanson all day yay bad week great good week i have a mystery pumpkin problem you guys this seems weird every two weeks since october i get home to my house and someone has placed a pumpkin on my driveway how is this the first we're hearing of this above this is amazing because i didn't really i thought

it was just the neighbor being nice sometimes on top of my postbox sometimes on my front door there's just you have cameras well i know so then i wait is it the same pumpkin they keep different pumpkins how big like a mini like a like a you know not a huge like i'm the gonna to win the thing just a small like a pumpkin this is so weird and i'm like so so i say to chris i'm like should we be worried like is this someone tagging our house like yeah go and put the pumpkin in front of your house to see if you're out of town to see if you're out of town if you move the pumpkin or just like give a sign to their like partner that like it's a good house to like break into right it doesn't seem subtle enough i know i'm like just tag me like a massive pumpkin with

a sign being like i'm watching you i don't know anyway so the pumpkin so then i'm like you know what i gotta go looking for the pumpkin footage so i go on my ring app and i'm looking and so then there's a video and i'm like oh there's the pumpkin it rolls down the hill rolls into my driveway and just rolls so whoever put the pumpkin rolled it from out of reach of my camera you're joking i am not but then how do they get it on in places like on top your well clearly so people are just rolling pumpkins down your street i don't know well like a pumpkin just came it gave me an alert and i was like oh i wonder what it is could it be the mail truck could it be whatever it's just a pumpkin just rolling down to mark my spot you're being tortured you're being tormented

what is happening you gotta look up what is like maybe it's a thing symbolic it might be a thing that people are doing i'm looking it up right now okay jack you go okay mystery pumpkin could it mean put it on the first degree the disappearance of the pumpkin okay so my good week is um our friend Becca Tilly over at scrubbing and podcast did like an ask me anything the other day and people were just asking her remember when you guys made fun of me for doing an ask me anything okay anyway bye no not an ask me well it was like on Instagram where I was like ask me questions and then she'll post the answers of it sorry and somebody had like asked her about Botox and filler and she was very open and honest about what she's gotten done to her face I actually

saw that and I was very impressed because as we have said a million times everybody in Hollywood is getting shit done to their faces and everybody pretends that they don't what was the thing that we wanted to do that they wouldn't let us do on our tv show how we wrapped up every show like the girl yes girl oh yeah yes yes girl yes girl yes girl we could do it on the podcast yeah i know we could that's our yes girl becca tilly yes girl you know what i love it honesty is great because she's beautiful too and it's like there's a lot of girls out there who want to look like her yeah i mean not that like botox and filler like made her face because she's already pretty yeah but i appreciate the honesty because it's very rare okay that is so nice yeah i really i really

liked it okay um bad week is oh my bad week is fast i just found out that there is a like four year old child on youtube that makes 22 million dollars opening gifts yes i recently heard about making seven million talking about toys so like what the are we doing with our lives when there is a child that is making i hope he's saving his money 200 times more than i ever made listen first of all you're gonna get murdered when you turn nine you're murdered mom takes all the money i mean this is like wait this totally this rolls into my good week bad week oh good i don't know if you guys were with me because i have a really bad memory when people tell me things so recently someone told me they were on an airplane commercial flight and they recognized a child instagram star

like a young kid i i'm not gonna say her name okay she's a young girl and her mother has made her very famous she's very cute jojo no she's younger this is another jojo siwa podcast no she's younger and um she's these people like a family there's like a couple of them right it's they have a few kids but like the one little girl like is the star well this family was on a flight and coach the kids were all in coach and the mom was in first class yeah that's what i'm saying that's what you're saying don't turn 11 and get braces kids because your career's over and your mom's gonna murder listen this woman is probably gonna try to be like oh but we that's how we flew before the kids were famous we don't want to like we don't touch their money it's our money

it's like girlfriend you were not flying first class before your daughter became famous on instagram that was the most like messed up story i wanted to cry yeah me too like who's looking out for these children no one it's us we should adopt them and we'll take 10 and like wasn't it something like they had they were going for an event so the older sister was like watching them in coach and they had fallen asleep and like left him on the airplane well they were like not being taken care of in coach and there was all kids back there there was no adult supervision no mom was just up having her like most like exploitive thing i've ever heard it's horrible and i'm pretty sure they were like coming from an event that the kids were having to appear at yes you're

welcome parents disgusting dicks okay here's my good week so this is a little delayed because i forgot to talk about it but um i was at home and i got a delivery from postmates and i did not order a delivery from postmates and i'm like listen i have been a frequent flyer lately i've been really really lazy and i've been getting a lot so i'm like oh it's and i like look out the window i'm like hey and this girl's like holding a mcdonald's bag she's like it's postmates and i was like i didn't order and she goes it's actually a gift whoa and i was like okay and i like was too flustered to ask her well you know i chowed down immediately on the two large fries that came then i thought they're mcdonald's fries i thought maybe it was a gift from postmates because like

i've been ordering so much they're just like i bet she's home yeah she's always home and she's always ordering food at this time yeah so then i'm like chowing down on these fries texting pretty much everyone i know being like texted me i texted her i was like did you send me french fries she's like no and then five minutes later another guy shows up with an astro burger bag and i'm like what is happening he's like hey delivery it's a gift and he like leaves it with me and i'm like can you tell me it's who it's from he's like i can't so i'm like is it is it from postmates and he's like yeah it's from postmates and i'm like you're not understanding what my question is but then i open the bag and i'm like it's my order it's my order from freaking

astro burger and remember when we talked about our favorite fast food the veggie burger from astro burger with mcdonald's fries yeah well my manager did it oh is it that nice did he know you were home i think so because we had talked earlier and he was like i mean it's for fast food like it's okay if you hadn't been home like and missed it like it's not like he broke the bank that's a cute thoughtful granted it was probably 70 because it's so expensive to do postmates but like isn't that nice he did actually reach out to me prior oh he did yeah and he was like becca's orders astro burger right and i was like correct and he was like okay was this for anything specific or just like a rainy day it was the day before my birthday that's why it's a little delayed

so it was it was like a birthday thing that's cute i that is a great birthday gift don't have to see the person yeah it's food i don't want flowers no send me a goddamn milkshake yeah it looked like i mean it was great and also it's like ricky's proving that he's listening to the podcast yeah good job richard you can have your money which is 50 cents yeah okay when we come back now back to the lady gang our guest today is my celebrity crush with a brand new record sings his sad heart my longtime life soundtrack is sitting right here in front of me to bring all his beautiful lyrics to life and possibly sing for us he got his start as the hot kind of

nerdy guy at parties who sat down and played crash by dave matthews band and then got laid his multiplayer smash come on get higher is constantly playing in every home goods in the country probably right now true and his best song little victories was not only featured on the tv show scrubs but was also my wedding song is now a tattoo on my wrist this is getting creepy he's performed on ellen letterman and the bachelor and his new album features some of my favorite songs of all time including used to be and mine i think he's the greatest songwriter on the planet and at At one point in my life, I was definitely trying to marry him. Lucky for him, it didn't work out.

Please welcome to the Lady Gang, Matt Nathanson. Oh, my God. Best intro ever. That was so badass. Did you love it? I did. It even made me sound like I got laid. Like, that was, first of all, I focused on that.

I was like, that's a good myth. And then every, you were the best. There's no way you weren't the nerdy person playing Crash by Dave Matthews at the party. So I'm about 100 years older than that. So I was definitely the nerdy guy playing, like, Indigo Girls songs. Oh, my God. Amazing. Even better.

And definitely not getting laid. Like, definitely just kind of being every woman or every girl at that point's best friend. I was totally the Dawson. Yeah, I was, like, straight up 1,000%. Like, I maybe got to, like, make out with my best friend, and then it was kind of like the next day. And then she was like, I'll go for the asshole. I got the, you know what? Like, I think that, like, our friendship is going to be hurt by this.

And I was like, it's okay. Like, let's hurt the friendship. And she was like, no, no, I think we should really be friends. And I was like, oh. Did you buy that then? You know what? I was just, yeah, I guess I was like, maybe. It wasn't like, oh, she's missing out.

I was like, well, I guess she saw the real me. That was totally how it went. But here's something even crazier. So my two best friends, one was a girl and one was a boy in high school. And I roomed with the boy. I went to boarding school from the time I was a really young kid. and um i was such a sabotager of my own joy that like i convinced the girl that this boy who she didn't even like was awesome and then they started dating oh no what we both kind of loved this girl

and but i was friends with her and then i totally like told her like he's the best like you got to get to know him she's like i don't like him and i'm like no he's the best and then they started dating and then i was like you're so masochistic the worst and then i might as well have like bamboo under my fingernails that bad and then like for real they broke up because it didn't work yeah and who got them back together no you didn't oh yeah straight up like straight up was just like no you don't get it like and then they started it again for each other yeah yeah you're like i love you the worst like i honestly it couldn't have been like sitting on tacks you know or like sticking things under my fingernails would have been less painful than what i did to myself jesus

That's so sad. Oh, my God. That's so sad. I'm a good friend to have. You are. I've since developed into quite a terrible wing person. Oh, yes. I'm not the person you want in your – like if you're a guy and you're like, hey, let's go.

Even though I'm married and I don't want anything to do with any of it, I totally sabotage the other person's – Really? Yeah, yeah. I just do. It's just my thing. Maybe from like years of sabotaging yourself as a kid, you're like getting back at yourself. Spreading the wealth around. You're like some for me now that I'm 87.

Yeah. At 106, I'm ready. I'm ready to take it on. Ready to take your girl. So you have a brand new record out. Yes. Which I just love. You know, there's only one person that I buy records and the CD.

Wait, you bought the CD physical? I not only bought it. I don't even know they made TVs anymore. I bought it on iTunes because I wanted to help them chart. Then I buy the CD. Then I buy the vinyl bundle. I got two patches for my jean jacket and a Matt Nathanson t-shirt for tour in 2014

which I didn't go to why what were you doing he's just trying to get rid of his old merch and I'm like I support it you gave it to the 2014 t-shirt so we sell like a couple things left in the store it's like a crab bag take a shirt

some idiot I love it she's the greatest I run things by Kelty at this point in our relationship where I'll be like can I send you a song and like get your feedback on it and she totally it's the greatest she's i mean she here's the thing i'm really happy that you're here and you're validating this because sometimes when she talks

about you and says things along those lines like he sent me this song oh yeah i'm like is this in her head well it's also like how she thinks girlfriend i had oh that's what my brother thought he was i was like dude i'm dating this girl when i was like in sixth grade we're kind of talking on the phone a lot and he'd be like i think she's not real that's what i felt like I sort of felt like I'm the boyfriend. I was like, did he send it to you or did he like send out something to like his fan club? Yeah, send me an email. Well, it's the same thing that she thinks she's like besties with Ariana Grande.

Oh, right. So she like DMs her, but it's not really – it doesn't go really both ways. Right. Listen, but Ariana has nothing on you. Dude, I woke up this morning and I thought that exact same thing. I was like, you know what? Like Ariana has a couple things going on. Nothing on me.

Nothing on Matt Nathan. No, no. that's i said myself in third person i was like she's got nothing on that that's when you know that somebody's super sane is when they talk in third person yeah yeah yeah totally it's awesome before we get into the lyrics i did want to talk about the record but we're going to talk about that in a second wait i have one question which episode of the bachelor did you perform on i was on two different ones so there was some um tanner and jade got married yeah from paradise yes you played at their wedding i played their wedding oh whoa and then i was on

one where we played it was on a date in city hall in san francisco and we played on the stairs while they came in like to the date so it was a different different season different group yeah okay and also played in another bachelor contestant's wedding yeah me and i didn't hesitate but in a for a minute when christina was like dude can you i mean this is such a good story and i want to tell it because the the backstory that a lot of people don't know Everyone knows that Christina surprised me with Matt Nathanson. What they don't know is that Chris was trying to book Matt Nathanson for like seven months before the wedding and could not get you booked because Christina had already booked you.

He had a conflict. He had a conflict. Wait, your wedding. Hey, okay. Chris never got the memo that it was already booked? No, no, no. Christina told no one. No one knew.

It was super secretive. And I didn't have a wedding party, so no one knew. So Christina, the plan was, is that I'm going to walk into a thousand years, we're going to get married and then I didn't want a traditional wedding. So we're going to walk down the stairs. We're going to do like half of her song. Um, oh my God, I can't remember what song it was now that we pick our arms, this song called arms.

And she was going to do half of it and we're going to like dance so that we can get the picture and then we're out. And so I walk into a thousand years, we get married. I walk down and Christina's like, by the way, I'm supposed to sing right now, but Kelty described this wedding and like everything is the same it's like the flowers her dress the flowers in her hair we couldn't have imagined how great chris would be but like someone's missing and she's like matt nathanson and he walks in and it's in the back of this house he walks in by the pool with a guitar and he's like hey and in that moment chris's face is like oh my god and he's also i

think chris was probably like oh this is my new wife celebrity crush so this is up and then second of all like i didn't know he didn't tell me till after the wedding like in the back of his mind he was like i really wanted to surprise a thousand percent i'd be like who the hell did this to me amazing so anyway so when did like you you flew all the way from san francisco no i flew from somewhere else i think i was on tour doing something and i had a day off and christina was like do you mind doing this and i was like no for kelty i'll totally do it oh did she pay you Uh, no. What?

Oh, this whole time I thought she paid you. No, she definitely bought the plane ticket. She bought the plane ticket? Yeah, which was super rad. That's very nice. That's so nice. Of course. Yeah, no, I felt like I would have been, like, it was just so easy to do it.

And I'm not saying that like, but it was totally like, of course, that sounds rad. Do you get asked to play a lot of people's weddings and stuff? I'm sure. Yeah, there's a one, there's one song I have that's about my almost divorce that people want. No, well, that's about, yeah, I got a lot of songs about almost divorce, but this one was Wedding Dress is what it's called. And everybody's like, will you play wedding dress at my wedding?

And I'm like, will you pay attention to the lyrics before you ask that? For real. They're like, it's like in your wedding dress to have and to hold. Even at my best, I want to let go. And people are like, I really want to walk down the aisle of that. This shows how dumb people are. Well, people really like, I call it simple. Like people really just want to, they usually see it through their own lens.

And so they interpret something that seemingly to us would be like, hey, this kid's about to get divorced. they're like hey it sounds like he's so happy do you know what i mean so it's like their own trip interpretation so yeah so so anyway but that happens probably once a month someone will be like hey yeah we walk down the aisle it's a wedding dress and i'll be like that's a f***ing omen like you gotta get that's bad stop saying that you're a terrible businessman i feel bad no you need to write a new song about weddings that's what i'll do 17 million dollars and i shall come imagine i'll show up and i'll ruin a dark cloud over your beautiful day between you and i i'd Be like, sure.

I need you in my corner. Listen, tell him to call me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll be like, wedding dress, beautiful choice. Yes, incredible. And then we hang that at my wedding. He loved his wedding. And then we just watch from afar as everything crashes and burns.

Just things falling. Just drinking a martini. That's false. All right. So I have a special surprise for you, Matt Nathanson, and mostly Jack and Becca, because this is great. I am just terrified. So everyone makes fun of me because I'm a massive journaler.

I journal every moment of my life. I do every morning, by the way. Yeah. So you're a songwriter. Yeah, that's your job. So I have found the journal. This is literally what Kelty does instead of like have friends. I love it.

Your journals are meticulous because you post them sometimes in the world and I'll be like, Jesus. So the embarrassing thing is, is that this was in 2010. So that's not that long ago. It was not long ago. Eight years, nine years ago. Not long enough. Not long enough. Let's remind everybody Kelty is 36 years old.

Yes. 30 years. I'm a little nervous. So this is just a quick journal entry. She was almost 30. I'm going to throw that out there when she wrote that. So I'm going to read a journal entry that I found. I knew it existed.

I think I had posted it on a blog many, many years ago. So I don't know if you've heard this. You might have read it. I don't know. I definitely didn't. Okay. So the title of this entry is called The Day I Almost Met Matt Nathanson. It's April something.

I'm at LAX flying to Edmonton. Nothing special. I'm always at LAX. I almost live here. I'm wearing what I always wear, leggings, brown boots, scarf, yellow cardigan. But today, I magically wore my one special feather earring. I thought this morning as I got dressed, should I wear my magical feather? I might lose it.

There's no reason to look cute. It's LAX. And on the other end of this plane ride is my mom. She has to love me, even if I'm ugly. But something, also known as the ghost Matt Nathanson, whispered in my ear, wear the earring. The ghost? Is he dead? And just like that, my luggage, tiny feather, and I were off to LAX.

Well, at LAX, I had a conversation with my bestie, Katie, about how last night I was on a date. And right up front, Stiles, I told the date, there's something you need to know. If I choose to be in a relationship with you, which is not going to happen, dud, I have an out. I need an out. If I ever get the chance to have an epic stay-up-all-night-playing-Portis-head-smelling-like-fresh-showers-makeout-session-with-Matt-Nathan-Sinn, no matter what, I need to be able to do that. And I need it. he didn't think that was a good idea hence why he's not my dream man where did the almost meeting him come from in your mind he said if you're gonna do it do it now touche fast forward back

to lax today back to my extra special feather earring so i'm sitting at the gate and i'm checking twitter and golly gee matt nathanson has tweeted and he tweeted that he was at lax my heart started to race i grabbed my chapstick i was thankful i had been on team feather earring in typical kelty manner i tweeted him three times and i stood i stood right beside security hoping he would walk by i had a fever and a cold sweat a female boner matt didn't walk by but if he did he would i know he would have fallen madly in love with me my sparkling personality and my feather sadly as i stood in line to be the very last person to board the plane just in case he walked by he didn't but as i sat down in lonely seat 23a i checked my twitter obviously it had

been almost 11 minutes and there it was at matt nathanson direct message where you at jet blue this was not in it where you at like let's bone yeah it wasn't like you up yeah yeah yeah What's up, girl? No, it was like a, hey, fan that I've not met before. Where you at? The way you said it, it sounded so... Where you at? Bathroom?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Quickie? Let's play slap and tickle. This happened. I would have met Matt today, and he would have told me how beautiful I was and how charming my tweets are, and then we would have talked about his wife and how they split up. No hard feelings. She decided to move to India and be a guru, and that he had fallen instantly in love with

me and that we would make out for most likely three to seven hours when we took breaks he would tell me he never wanted to be apart from me or my feather ever again the end oh my god wait kelty where would i have read that number one number two that's incredible i mean you need to print you need to give him you are this yeah you you are fearless the best because i read it out loud or I wrote it in my journal. Well, because you read it out loud, but also because you're like, you manifest shit.

Yeah. And like... Now we're here. And now we're here, but like, it's... That's some real commitment. I was going to say dark. I'm like, you really went the positive route.

Actually, Kelsey, I don't think I've ever loved you more. That is... I really don't. This is... I'm so... I believe... I mean, I'm speechless,

but my favorite part of this is you wrote this for only yourself. Like, this was for you. And that's not true. This is me and Spaghetti's journal. So my journal that I pass back and forth with my best friend. Oh, so this is a letter to him. This is a story I'm sharing.

What did he say about it? Who's Spaghetti? She has a childhood best friend, and they mail each other still. Like, this is decades. They read each other letters. Can I have a Spaghetti question? Yeah. You think he's straight or gay?

He's straight. He's married. He's straight, and he's married, and he's your best friend. Mm-hmm. Okay. Okay. There's a lot to unpack. Yeah, there's a lot there.

We've known each other since we were five. We're not talking about this. Don't waste this precious time. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We'll talk about it another time. This is easily my favorite podcast of the beginning of history. Again, almost 30 years old writing like this.

Like a crazed super fan that would get a restraining order against them probably. But here's the thing, and I will say this. I don't know if there's a word beyond flattered that I could use. Scared. But let me just tell you this. No, there's a reason. You get a restraining order. I just want to explain this because everyone's going to listen.

And they're going to be like, you're married. You're a dick. Here's the truth is that people always say you should never meet your idols because you will be disappointed. Right. And I'm not saying I'm disappointed. Like Matt's face is like so sad. Jesus. But the thing is, is that I got into Matt's music and then I really got into like the way I think people feel about Harry Styles, where it's like you're only listening to the lyrics of their music.

This was before social media really took off. We were tweeting like you didn't really get an inside look at someone's life. You created this person. Like Matt Nathanson sitting here is way different than the Matt Nathanson you created. Well, now I know you and I know your life and I know like a little bit more about you that I'm like, oh, that would actually. She lost her boner. Yeah, it's all good. Just kidding.

It's all good. Run it back down to reality. No, I'm very glad I married my husband. He's the great match for me. This would never have worked out. And now I see that. But so, yeah, and here's my thing about it. But I did want to make out with a version of you.

But here's my thing. I think I'm certain almost. I don't think that I've done that, what you did in the journal. I've done that in my life 250,000 times probably a week where you like – but with different people or you can create. Like I have this thing and I'm sure everybody does but where you see somebody and you – like I can go deep on somebody that I love their work, right, which is what you did, which is different. But I can even like create a life. Like I'll be like – see somebody and be like, oh my god, our kids would be so awesome. and we would have like, how about like a brick walls

and then a bed against the wall in Tribeca. And it would be like, you know what I mean? And so I'm not even on a superficial level, I get it. And then on like the music spoke to you level, like I am so down. Like if Natalie Merchant had been like, I want you to tie your family to a hut and burn them. Like when I was, not that you would have done it,

but I would have been like, yes, Natalie Merchant of 10,000 Maniacs, let me burn my village. You know what I mean? Exactly. So I'm with you. But I mean, but it's so detailed. No, but no, it's not even. It's f***ing awesome.

It was the best thing I've ever experienced in my life thus far. Thank you for that. It's so you. It is so healthy. It's so you. Focusing on that f***ing earring. Yes. The ugly feather earring that was probably $3.

Everyone had one. I had one. I had one in my hair. Of course. Yeah. Would you call it, you said like the magic earring or something? Well, no, it's because, yeah, it was like lucky at the time for me. You know, lucky earring.

Wow. Wow. All right. Back to your record. I think we just call it a day. I need a cigarette after that journal entry. So Matt, the reason that I love him so much and why people love him. Can you tell, when's the first time you actually met him? Yeah, that's what I want to know.

The first time I actually met Matt is I was all the way working on The Insider. I was all the way working on The Insider. I had loved him for a decade and then I was working on The Insider and I had my own little digital show. and I was like running around town and every one time someone played the Wiltern and they played like you know an okay play I would go with my little camera crew and like make an interview and so like I really just used my

job and I was like oh who's your publicist I need to like definitely reach out to them get a big interview with a big star and then I was so nervous I could barely speak and like I honestly I just feel like flustered now that was a lot of reveal you're naked right now

let's talk about mess and you're accepted isn't she everybody I've never loved you more. I know. This is like a whole new level. I love it. Let's talk about girls that date musicians. Because we always tell them not to.

A thousand percent. The worst idea. Worst idea, right? Because you know Jack and I have a mutual ex-boyfriend musician. He's from Panic at the Disco. Yeah. I did it him first. That beautiful boy that just stood there?

Yeah. No, he actually did. He did stuff. He wrote a lot of the music. I think he wrote some. He did because they seem pretty successful now. And he's gone. You're not wrong.

Maybe he didn't write any of the music. No, no. Looking back. But anyway, that kid's beautiful, like from a physical standpoint. Our ex-boyfriend? No, he's not. That kid that sort of looks like, yeah, isn't he? A model.

Like a model. Yeah, like a model. He has this resting face where it's like, hmm. Are we both the same person? I don't find him attractive at all. Why did you date him? Because I was 18. Oh.

Where did you grow up? Orange County. Okay. Yeah. That's no, okay, had no judgment attached to it. Yeah. You can't say okay to Orange County and not have a judgment. Wait, so you guys both dated the kid from Panic! at the Disco who pouts?

Yeah. And what's the vote on him? I mean, I know what the vote is. Well, he cheated on both of us. And that's why they tell girls. Here's the deal. Most men, like if we're totally straight about it, men are so – they're like subrational cave people. And so it's like – and women also have – but like women are so much more mature and so much more further ahead.

And I'm not just saying this because we're hanging out. It's just a fact. And so dating men in general is like a bad idea. And then dating a musician a thousand percent and then dating a musician or somebody like especially in Los Angeles where they sort of scooped the 15 percent of you're the funniest person here or like you're really the best. You should be a model. You should act.

You should play music. And they all came to this place. The worst part of LA is shit show in that respect. So I'm with you. Don't date musicians. Don't date act. well actors are even worse because they like

because they have no soul yeah and they have like that security no it's true because they're malleable yeah most of them they're professional liars

yeah and they don't have most of them I find this is so dicky I just most of them don't really have a sense of style when not when not dressed

by someone else this is true yeah a lot of jeans and loafers in the men department for actors and it's just like what the fuck

is wrong with you like you know what I mean they don't have yeah like who told you that that belt that matches your shoes is a good idea.

They're just soulless. Soulless. They're vessels. They're vessels. They're very talented. They are vessels. Empty vessels. A lot of them, yes.

Empty. Empty, empty, empty. Magicians are just dicks. Magicians are like, dude, I mean, we get up on stage and we're trying to fill like a hole our parents left.

It's like the worst. So definitely do not date us. Yeah, that's like the worst idea. All right. I'm going to have you continue on this sad heart moment. um this is really going so well um awesome so you have some songs on this new record a couple and i thought i would i would pull out my favorite lyrics and have you dissect them and like

kind of say what they're about or like yeah what you mean by them because i picked out three that all people can relate to okay okay so there's this song called let you go it's kind of at the end of the record one of my favorites and it's my favorite lyric on the entire record so the lyric goes if you see me smile it's all pretend the only reason i still call our friends is the chance one of them will say your name yeah that's real you know what i mean in there gross you know like how you stay friends with the people that were in that friend circle just to like a thousand percent like to really be able to pinpoint that like to put into words into lyrics that thing that would have taken me like three years of therapy yeah to admit i've got a couple i got about 20 you know

what i mean you're like why do i keep doing this i don't understand it's wild when they say the person's name it doesn't feel like the great like you feel like you have a secret that nobody else has and you're like oh my god isn't it awesome to hear that person's name and it's like it's just a fucking name people name their dogs the same name as the fucking name of the person you dated they're like like who's the kid that you dated from bennington okay so they're like come here ryan that's a like pit bull like you know what i mean or like a or some dog that just farts all the time and sits in the corner and that's a guy that you that name sent chills into your situation kills you oh that's good yeah so good that is good okay thank you i love that one okay there's a song um

called way way back sometimes when you write songs you can be like as bold as you'd like to be in real life and it's kind of saying like i know you're getting married and i know he looks awesome through the instagram uh the feed that i've stocked but here's the deal nobody is gonna you don't come close to me yeah because you want people to have when they you know people say like we really just wanted what was best for each other when you say like i'm sorry you guys broke up right i've never thought that no once i broke up somebody i was never like i always hope that they find some sort of happiness most of them but i hope there's like a ceiling on it you know what i mean like and it's usually sexual like i hope that they can have kids or a house or whatever

but like I want the sex to just be like yeah it was good like thanks honey the best sex of your life yeah it was me and the song is kind of like here's the deal no matter what happens like I know and you know that like we got this and if you ever need to I'll be there

in your mind in the way way back wait so in the lyrics the lyric he well the lyric the one lyric I love is like the part that's like oh he looks good with his shirt off but can he sing yeah yeah but the lyric that I wrote down

for this one is didn't know that forever only meant forever till you found someone better. Ooh. Yeah. Shit.

That's a stark man. That's a dicky thing to say. I know what I think about it. Can I change the song? Yeah, yeah. Can I go back

and amend this? Yeah. That's a little bit of a that's real. That's a f*** you song. Yeah. It's f*** you and then used to be

which is the single is kind of like a by the way I was kidding I'm a mess like kind of song. So this lyric, and Matt's going to sing this in like five seconds. So get ready. Warm up those vocals.

He really just wanted a concert for herself. A hundred percent. This is such bullshit. I hope you pay him for this because he hasn't been paid for any. I know. What the hell is your charity work for you, Kelsey? We're going to sell so many records right now. Lady Gang's going to go buy this record because it's so good.

Look at how I'm selling it. I'm going to listen to it on the way out. People don't buy it after this. She's my pimp. It's like crazy. Okay, listen to this. The way it used to be lyrics. When we were young and we were free and all your friends were friends with me.

swimming in our clothes when the beach was closed midnight on new year's eve and if you're having trouble baby holding on to memories i've got a king-size bed and a phd in the way it used to be okay i have a question about like writing lyrics yeah so for this record you're married right now yeah so you're obviously like pulling like things from your past and also does your wife ever get pissed off if there's like some song about something that's obviously not her yeah so how can I approach this so

I meant to write a record that was sort of like uplifting because we're in a weird time and I was like I'm going to write all these empowerment songs right and then the first one came out and it was like why'd you leave me like why'd you go and there was like and then every song I wrote was like why'd you leave me

I was like what the fuck I'm like the happiest I've ever been in my actual life And so like I drilled deep and I found some undealt with shit. Interesting. So this is like therapeutic for you. And so I guess. I mean like it was honestly one of those things where like by song 15 that I'd written and they were all like, I thought I was what you needed. I was like, what the fuck is wrong with me?

But I couldn't. It was time to put a record out. And I was like, I got to put this shit on the album. So that's why I called it. Yeah. And my wife is. So here's the deal. My wife is.

And everybody says this about their significant other. But, like, my wife is truly the great, like, unparalleled greatest human I've ever known. Truly, like. Except for Kelty. Kelty is second. Second. But, yeah. And so, anyway, so we've been together for quite a long time.

Okay. So we've been together for about 27 years. Holy shit. Okay. And so we're very far past, like, the who's that song. She was never that person that was like, who's that song about? Yeah. But so when these come up, she just kind of goes, oh, there's that song about that.

that that somehow linked to this and this you know she kind of a lot of the storytelling too where it's like it doesn't always have to and i just have to say yeah but i but it's true it doesn't need to when you're really like super uh creative i guess you tap into something but these were all fairly personal pretty right up the pretty real yeah because i think like sometimes on this podcast we bring up mutual x and like but because that and people always like why can't you let it go but truly that's the last great tragedy in my life because after i dated him i found chris and like yeah marriage is hard and it's up and down and whatever and life's up and down but like that was my last heartbreak so whenever we talk about dating or advice or like that that's the

story that i was part of your life you know what i mean and it's so it's not that i still care or that i can't let it go i've let it go like i'm also it's just a funny story between the two of us we wouldn't talk about it all the time that's an incredible thing yeah it's both is that how you met that's how we know each other yeah okay yeah yeah so but here's the other theory to like take it even further like all the hurt that you've had in your relationships in your life all stem back somehow to what happened to you as a kid with your either your parents or whatever and that's what's fascinating about it is that you kind of repeat the same shit over and over with different people and so it's usually like it's on like a on like a reptilian brain level the things

that we play out in our now life are kind of wounds that we were created in our young life and so in that respect i think i'm still digging to the bottom just so and so when you tell that story on some level you're probably still kind of mining that and churning it over to kind of like figure it out because the problem is still there he's just a representation they really don't matter the other person doesn't matter even if you adore them they don't matter it's sort of about your evolution and so that's what he represents he's like a mirror to like he's just a real sharp mirror about how man men are they suck they're the worst yeah that's like a very healthy approach for an artist that i think people struggle with too yeah like you're it's not about

the person it's like about what you were going through and it's for you when we talked about this just before like everybody sees the world through their own so even your memories with someone else are all your own memories and their memory and you can find common ground and you can even express it but think about how hard it is to communicate with somebody that you that you love and see every day and that you the words that you use sometimes i'll find myself saying a word and it's interpreted as a different thing by the person. Even somebody I adore, my wife,

I'll be like, dude, I said this. And now we've kind of gotten into a good groove because it's like a constant thing of bringing it. But still it's like most, every human being speaks a different version of the same language and everybody sees shit through their own lens and so it really is like

you do live and die alone and not in a depressing way, but not in a depressing way, but kind of in like a, it's pretty rad and we get to kind of bump against other humans and hopefully some of them stick like yeah oh god so depressing on that note i dig it i think it's kind of awesome but yeah i get it that could be dark okay time wait kelsey when is matt's birthday i have no idea that's oh i mean i know that you have a birthday yes by the way bono's birthday is uh the same may 10th oh i mean Is that your birthday?

No, but my wife's is May 13th. What's your birthday? It's my sister's birthday. Is it really? A lot of people had sex nine months before that chunk of May, August, because I think everyone's on vacation. Oh, it's like summer, love. Summer, baby.

Summer, love. Because, like, my dad is around that time. Bono, who's, like, my favorite. That's what I'm saying. Like, I loved you two so much as a kid. Oh, March 28th. Wait, why did you come up with Bono? Because I was thinking about people that, like, even in a heterosexual way, people that,

like I f***ing sweated as a kid because music, I love music so much that when an artist touches like me in a way, I sort of like went all in. So I sort of like, I really Like you should have known. But the only thing that has been, I do want to I'm out of here. No. Well you, can you get

your guitar ready and I'll tell a story? Oh my god. Do I want to like play behind it? Like your story? No, no, no. No, no, no. Soundtrack. Yeah, just like I'll tell the story. No, here's the thing that has been the most difficult this year of my love of Matt Nathanson. And it's put me to the test.

Oh, no. I'm sort of sweating this. Pretty much every day of my life, I get home, no matter what time it is, and I put my Sonos on to Matt Nathanson radio. Every day? I mean, he is the soundtrack to my life. When I'm at home. I can't imagine Colty really listening to, like, music. Other than Matt Nathanson.

I put Matt Nathanson radio on. And earlier this year, well, 2018, Matt loves Def Leppard. And he released a Def Leppard tribute. can I just can I defend myself you don't have to defend yourself I saw the eyes no I like Def Leppard

I just it just seems off the brand oh it doesn't yeah it is off brand not very Natalie Merchant I was so down with

I mean Def Leppard I think are one of my favorite bands but I'm so down when I was a kid I used to dress up in my I used to I was kind of heavyset

and I used to sort of sausage myself into my mom's leather pants and like pretend I was the singer in Def Leppard Joe Elliott

and I would lip sync in front of the mirror and I had so and I was kind of heavy So I'd have to, like, you know, squeeze. And then we didn't have – you could order these Union Jack T-shirts, which are the British flag, and you could order them through the back of Circus Magazine. But I didn't ever do that because we didn't really do that.

We didn't order things. So I used marker and I drew. Made a Union Jack. My buddy and I did a Union Jack and we cut the sleeves off and we had lip synced to Def Leppard. And then I spilled – I sweat because I was a little bit, you know, and I spilled my Sprite. Oh, no. So when we got finished, I took my shirt off, and the Union Jack had, like, bled through to my pale, pasty, like, stomach and back. So anyway, that's that.

That's amazing. But I love Def Leppard. Like, love, love, love. So he put out this Def Leppard tribute album that actually was, like, crazy successful. It was fun. It was, like, charting all over iTunes. And I was like, oh, that little indie man, Nathanson, like, he's not usually, like, top three on iTunes, but okay. but it was for this pyromania or whatever the record madia pyromania there you go wow anyway

so so now when i go home and it's time for me to relax you play i play matt nathanson radio but sometimes the deaf leopard cover comes over thumbs down push it down the algorithm shuffle of all that you own i know but now i love matt so much that i'm like well i can't some of his greatest and most esteemed works and now I've had to start to enjoy the Def Leppard of it all and I'm just like I mean it's acoustic version so like but I know the difference

between when it comes on and I'm like is this new and I'm like no the songwriting is not as good this is not Matt Nathanson here's the deal I'm going to get a tattoo that just says CK consider Kelty so every time I go to do something creative I'll be like

where's Kelty going to land with this That's the president of my fan club Totally, like I have to respect the president Thank you, okay, it's time Matt is now going to play his new single It's called Used To Be I will let you know that it comes on quite often On SiriusXM The Pulse

Please try not to sing along Because we know your voice is not good No, I'm not going to sing along The Lady Gang Okay, he's tuning his guitar What's Kelty doing? Kelty's just being crazy Being a crazy person, crazy eyes

Crazy eyes Kelty C.K. Consider Kelty. She's getting a video on her phone. Of course she is. Okay. Next time we need to sell a lady box, I'm just going to post this. Oh, because he's sitting in front of it.

Oh, wow. That's nice. Where did you grow up? Atlanta. Oh. Where'd you grow up? Boston. Oh.

You do seem very Bostonian. Yeah, it's the anger when people drive. Anger. Oh, my God. There's so much anger in Boston. I know. Everybody's pissed. It's a weird entitlement thing.

I think it's because we drove the British out, you know, back in 1776. It's a lot of drinking, too. A lot of drinking. And, like, just being pissed at us. A lot of Irish alcoholics. Irish, all my, well, I can't, I got, yeah. Can't go too deep into it on the podcast in case they're listening, but we got a lot of them. Irish alcoholics.

Yeah, Irish alcoholics. And then I'm Jewish. My dad is Jewish. My mother's Irish Catholic. Me, too. Yeah. Oh, really? It's a very fun combo.

How did that marriage go? They're still together. Oh, my God. That's so good. But neither were religious. Oh, okay. Like, grew up religious, and then they were like, this, we're going to do our own thing.

I like it. Yeah, mine, it was not so good. No, it was a little bit of a worst marriage in history kind of thing. Well, there's no guilt like Jews and Catholics. Dude, it's unbelievable. I have the most guilt of anybody. That combination, it's crushing. Dude, and you know what?

It travels through. P.S., do you have any children? No, not yet. So when you do, I want you to know that your guilt is so strong that it will move through your genes and yet your kid will have it. But what if my husband has like none? It doesn't matter.

It's the Jewish Catholic guilt is so strong that it dominates. It's like kind of like a certain hair color. You know what I mean? Like in the genetic makeup. Yeah, brown eyes. Brown eyes and guilt. Yeah.

And then did you light the Christmas tree eight times like we did? No, I'm just kidding. I was like, that's actually a pretty great idea. Super dangerous, but yeah. No, we did both though. Yeah, we got a lot of presents. Yeah, we did too.

This is, you know, that's upsetting. All right. So, Used to Be. Used to Be is just, truthfully, it's about a song about a woman who I know. Who I used to have a... I used to be in a relationship with. Uh-huh. And she...

I hope you're better at this in your show. Yeah, yeah, it's awesome. Everything is with a question mark? It never, yeah, it never gets taped at the shows. so anyway it's a song about a woman who is getting married who I used to date and I might have looked at her Instagram and

they seem happy and I was psyched yeah right but then part of me was like ah but I was still psyched and so I wrote a song where the it's essentially saying hey in case I know you're moving on and I know your life looks awesome but in case you wanted to know how good we had it I'm still here

like and not still you know not still here like come find me more like I'm still here in the past I'll be haunted yeah yeah I'll be stuck in the past in your mind

wait is this a sex one uh they're all about sex okay it's music it's all yeah totally

it's all sex it's humans nice um okay still got the same old number still drive the car you hate I'm still fighting with my father

still staying out too late still leave the back door open i still let the dog escape maybe i'm deep down hoping you'll come back to yell at me like you used to do and you were wrong i'm just a stubborn fool who's living in the past when we were young and we were free all your friends were friends with me swimming in our clothes when the beach was closed midnight on new year's eve And if you're having trouble, baby, holding on to memories, I got a king-size bed and a Ph.D. in the way it used to be. I got a king-size bed and a Ph.D. in the way it used to be.

And when you write your movie, your autobiography, and can't reach the sweetest detail, feel free to call on me. And right how I made you shiver And the ground underneath us shook The devil is in the details He and I get on real good like we used to do And you were right I'm just a stubborn fool Living in the past

When we were young and we were free All your friends were friends with me Slimming in our clothes when the beach was closed And if you're having trouble, baby, holding on the memory, I got a king size bed and a Ph.D. in the way it used to be. I got a king size bed and a Ph.D. in the way it used to be. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, you know it's ancient history, but if you're having trouble, baby, holding on to memory, I got a king-size bed and a PhD in the way it used to be. We were young and we were free And all your friends are fans of me

Swimming in our clothes when the beach was closed Midnight on New Year's Eve And if you're having trouble, baby Holding on to memories I got a king-size bed and a PhD In the way it used to be I got a king-size bed and a PhD In the way it used to be

yeah that was awesome so good did you love it i mean your your music is like panty dropping music that's what i mean i mean i don't want to be inappropriate oh my god be inappropriate that's like yeah like it's crazy yeah yeah like everybody needs to put this on after like a first date like when they invite the guy back home like 100 your voice is like stunning what do you think is your most romantic song i mean it's seemingly it's coming in higher that one although it's about loss i don't know i mean i actually don't write anything yeah they're all dark you don't have any people love this one and play this at their graduation however it's about death yeah totally it's about falling down a well yeah is that weird that they play it uh i think probably that song

run that i did with sugarland oh yeah that's hot they people that seems yeah jen and jennifer and I sang this song and it's kind of like the first line is I want to watch you undress I want to watch you glow you know that kind of stuff and then turning me on

that kind of stuff that's sexy yeah that was very hard okay Kelty warranted oh my god this is oh thank you

yeah we get it we get it we get it are you guys making less fun of me because well so my little victory's tattoo

Jack Jack's writing yeah it's her I'm a tattoo designer now yeah that's an incredible handwriting you've got I know isn't it so beautiful

and like they looked at me like here's You got a song title on your wrist? That's a positive song. That's my only positive song. It's like a minute long. That's why. So short.

I couldn't get it. I was like, all right. All right, we're done. We're good. I have song lyrics tattooed on me. James Taylor. Which song? Sweet Baby James.

Oh, yeah. What a song. My dad used to sing it to me every night. Really? My dad is tone deaf, Jewish, and he played the guitar, and he would sing Sweet Baby James almost every night to me. and I had never heard James Taylor do it until I was a little bit older

and I remember being like Dad, this actually doesn't sound like the same song The song is so good I love your version but it's a little different and my mom's like, he's tone deaf That's adorable though That song ruled

James Taylor is like and that lyric not in Sweet Baby James but in my mind that line about ain't it just like a friend of mine to hit me from behind

ooh that is so good who do you think is like the greatest songwriter songwriter other than yourself I could literally

cry every time I hear it I don't think I've ever but just the intro like aww he's amazing so good

who's your like this is what Matt did at parties when he was a loser to get laid I never did actually I can 100% see this you should go back

to my room crying and then play that can't work that's why all the songs are so good the goobers who bring their guitar and play at parties are never talented there are certain people that do that for sure and they've all

you can definitely tell the people that make music where you're like that person definitely was like swinging their dick torture people and held us captive totally but James Taylor is great but I would say my favorite songwriter wise

songwriter like acoustic guitar songwriter So for me, I'm a super nerd. This is a great question. So Bob Dylan is to me kind of the lyrical peak because he does everything really well. So he'll write like the most vicious thing and he'll write the most heartbroken thing. He has a line that says in so the song is a little bit it's like it's called Just Like a Woman. And he says, he goes, and when we meet again and are introduced as friends, please don't let on that you knew me when I was hungry and it was your world. Like, if that's not like, I mean, that just crushes me.

So Dylan is sort of unstoppable on all sides. But, I mean, I love so many lyricists. I'm a nerd for lyrics. And so I have books of them. That's why your lyrics are so good. That's why your lyrics are amazing. It's so fun. It's like – but Dylan is one of the highlights.

And then I'm trying to think of another. I mean obviously like – I mean Jeff Buckley too. There's a song called Morning Theft. And then Leonard Cohen obviously. Hallelujah is a great song. But like all his Leonard Cohen stuff is heavy. I mean it's just – I don't know any of these people because I've literally only been listening to Matt Nathan since the last 15 years.

She's like, who's not Dylan? I feel like in Canada like Leonard Cohen is like one of the founding fathers of that country. but um there's so but so many much in canada though kelty's the most famous person that's not true i couldn't even i couldn't even shenagle my way onto the canada's most beautiful list and there's people i didn't even know like after lindy on and like but justin bieber who else is their people drake the guy from creed oh yeah that's what i mean those are the kind of people they put on the list and i'm like i'm here with two television shows can i get on the goddamn list screen and he's also not pretty so like it was like the lead singer of our lady peace i'm like

since when do we still care about our lady peace like go you get like a tim hortons uh that's what i need yes like an endorsement yes tim hortons is disgusting oh you're so wrong about that wait so i have a question lyrically like what songs like lyric wise what music really like like today for example we're doing this thing like totally strange uh a great lyric that i was singing today on this thing that I'm doing this fun little thing but you know

like Pete Wentz writes incredible lyrics yeah except for like none of his lyrics really make sense so listen to this though there's

I'm trying to think of what the best line it's a bunch of mumbo jumbo I sang a lyric today and it's totally like it's the untrained ear that's true

maybe I'm not looking that's how I feel when I listen to Boney Bear I'm like no I should understand I told you my Boney Bear story where I rewrote

this song okay I smoked weed for like one of the first times and I put on a Bon Iver record and there's a song called Michigan, which I think is like one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard. The lyrics don't make any sense. So I smoked weed and rewrote the lyrics to Michigan and now it's great. That's excellent.

While I've got you, can I totally nerd out on lyrics for a second with you or is that like you guys have places to go? So, but okay. So I'm like, I'm actually sleeping here. So have you guys heard this Phoebe Bridger song called funeral? No, but emotional motion sickness is one of the best songs. That's a great song. You can't play that, though.

No, I'm not going to play it. I'm just going to read you the lyric. We can't clear it. Hold on. I'm just going to read you. Oh, I love that other song. Wait, and also Matt has this other song that has this great lyrics, but it's only on this live album, and it's only one lyric, and then you don't play the rest of it.

I don't? What is it? When the guy's like, can you play a line from Lie? Oh, I have a song called Lie. But you only played two clusters of it. Yeah. The chorus in that song was, please fix your own lie before you start attacking mine. I wrote it in college.

I was so mad. But that was not what you sang on the record. Oh, no? What did I do? I don't feel much like... Oh, yeah. I don't feel much like talking tonight. I'd rather...

I don't know. Not twist... I'd rather not have you twist my words around again and give you something to feel. I'd rather keep my distance. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you, Next.

It's the original Thank You, Next. It was in the 1800s when I wrote that. So here's an example of a great lyricist. I think this song is nuts. So she says, the dogs are very, I love it. You really stirred their emotions. I know. You're singing.

Can I just sing you the whole, so I'm not going to sing it, but I'm singing at a funeral tomorrow for a kid a year older than me, and I've been talking to his dad, and it makes me so sad. When I think too much about it, I can't breathe. And I have this dream where I'm screaming underwater while my friends are all waving from the shore, and I don't need you to tell me what that means. I don't believe in that stuff anymore.

jesus christ i'm so blue all the time and that's just how i feel always have and i always will i have a friend i call when i'm bored to tears when i bored myself to tears and we talk until we think we might just kill ourselves but then we laugh until it disappears and last night i blacked out in my car and i woke up in my childhood bed wishing i was someone else feeling sorry for myself and then i remembered someone's kid was dead jesus christ i'm so blue all the time and that's just how i feel and it's i mean and the song is so good i mean like it's so good and lyrically when she gets to that thing of like i'm feeling sorry for myself and then i just remembered somebody's kids dead and it's just like in my mind so anyway that's the i do that

stuff i literally that my life is like spent sitting and crying to myself like reading people shit and being like wow i just try and get turned on by other people's songs because it's so what What do you think the Lady Gang song will sound like? Like dogs barking in the background. Dogs barking. Definite, like, sort of pink. Motif? Yeah.

Sort of like a tool situation. Tool? Yeah, like the stuff that you. Oh, I thought you meant the end. I was like, you know what? I kind of like industrial. Yeah. It's going to be like Skinny Puppy or Slayer.

Yeah, yeah. It's going to be like Raining Blood. Gwar. Yeah. Oh, my God. Well, Matt Nathanson, now that I've completely embarrassed myself, turned on our entire fan base to your awesome music. You're welcome, ladies.

I hope your basements are flooded. Yup, that's sex and music. Hi. You can go to mattnathanson.com to get all the records, but they're also all on iTunes and Spotify. Matt's going on tour, and it's basically sold out if you haven't got your tickets already

like I got mine. What? Why'd you get tickets? Of course I got tickets. She's a supporter. The LA show is not sold out yet. Where are you going? LA. You guys are welcome to come. When is this? It's in March. March what?

March 20th. Oh, he doesn't know. I don't know. Is it on your birthday? It's close to my birthday because my birthday's in San Francisco, two shows the day before. So yeah, it's around then. Okay. So around March 28th.

You guys know that I never leave the house. No, I'm shocked that you're going to. I will go to a Matt Nathanson concert by myself. The last concert I went to at the Wiltern was by myself. And I stood there and I sang every word by myself. And then I left. Like, I'm a f***ing weirdo. Anyway.

You're the best. I'm so excited. We're going. um come on lady gang and get on tour because matt's even better live and thank you for being here i'm sorry i'm creepy i'm sorry to your family i'm sorry to your kid i'm sorry to your manager like all the people that i like conned into being here i'm very sorry but you're very talented and please go support matt because he is kind of an indie artist with a record deal but kind of indie and so like it actually matters when you buy his records so go buy it and don't

and download it for free. Okay, bye. See you next Tuesday. Wait, no. Can I do it with you? No. See you next Tuesday. Thanks for listening.

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