LadyGang - Joe Zee

Episode Date: March 19, 2019

The stylist extordinaire, fashion magazine icon and fellow Canadian pops by to not only give out fashion advice, but also hot inspiration through his rise to the top of the fashion world and the stories of passion he covers through his new TV series 7 Days Out. Follow the podcast on Instagram @theladygang and email Jac, Becca and Keltie at [e-mail]! And check out the TV show page's official page @ladygangtv! Check out new episodes of the LadyGang TV show every Sunday at 11:00 only on E! And thank you to today's sponsors:    Amazon = Go to amazon.com/shop/ladygang to find their favorite products while keeping the podcast FREE! Billie = Get a special, limited-time offer at MyBillie.com/LADYGANG Bio-Oil = Pick up a bottle of Bio-Oil today or find a retailer near you at FindBio-Oil.com FrameBridge = Get 15% off your first order when you go to Framebridge.com with promo code LADYGANG Kopari Beauty = Get $5 when you switch to Kopari today at KopariBeauty.com/LADYGANG ThirdLove = Get 15% off your first purchase at ThirdLove.com/LADYGANGSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hey guys, it's your Lady Gang, Jack Vanek, Kelty Knight, and Becca Tobin. Thank you so much for subscribing on iTunes, and thanks for supporting the great sponsors who make it possible for us to have this much fun with you every single week for free. Well, what is this? Welcome to the Lady Gang. That's amazing. Say that again. The Lady Gang. Things are about to change around here.

Each week we catch up with Hollywood's hottest girl posse, Kelty Knight, Becca Tobin, and Jack Vanek. Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to The Lady Gang. I'm Becca Tobin here with Jack Vanek and Kelty Knight. Hey, guys. Hello. It's a late one here at The Lady Gang. God. This might be the latest we've podcasted in a while.

I tried to schedule an eight to nine podcast next week, and it got canceled, I think. It actually might still be happening, but I don't know. The universe does not want us to podcast. You mean before we get on a red-eye to fly to New York to do Fashion Week? Nice. Yeah. That's not good. Last time this happened.

Poor planning. Last time this happened, I literally almost died. I remember because you can't sleep on planes. You can't. It's not great. That'll be really bad. I hope you get some drugs and fix that. I need a Xanax.

That's so easy. I have Xanax. You do? Who doesn't have Xanax in LA? I don't. Okay. I'll bring you a Xanax. Thank God.

What about, I thought you'd take Ambien. I can't. It's not a long enough flight. But. You need to sleep for eight hours on Ambien. Okay. Oh, okay. I mean, do you?

I feel like. Unless you want me. I mean, I could go walk around and do some weird shit on Ambien. I would enjoy that. I would also enjoy that. I would enjoy it, too. All right. Well, now it's time for...

Good week. Yes, it is. Bad week. Oh, no. Who wants to go first? Not me. I'll go. My good week is actually...

Your hair's getting long. It's getting so long. My good week has to do with our guest, actually. Oh. Discovered a new show. What? Seven Days Out. Oh.

I'm like, what could it be? On Netflix. Yeah. Like a really, really good show. And I think that what I love the most about it, it's like so refreshing because it's just really good, like documentary filming and it's like topics that you normally wouldn't think that you'd be interested in. And it's so good.

Like I cried on my couch to one of them. You did not even know. I knew. I did not know. Did you watch it because our guest was coming on to prepare or were you just watching it? No, I was just watching it because everybody, I was at dinner the other night and people were like, you have to watch Seven Days Out. So I'm going to go home and like finish it.

I know. I need to binge it. It's really good. My bad week is this. So when I thought I was cool and I changed my Instagram handle to just at Becca instead of at Becca Tobin, I made a huge misstep. An error. An error.

Now I get tagged in so many makeup photos. Oh, for Becca Cosmetics? I have to hire a separate human to untag me from all the makeup photos. But do you really look at tagged photos? I don't even look at my tagged photos. Well, it just gets irritating when it's like you're tagged in 17 photos. I'm like, oh my God, I must have gotten picked up on the carpet. And then it's like women in the middle of nowhere with like a smoky eye.

I cannot take it anymore. That is so annoying. I want Becca Tobin back. You do not. I'm sure you can get it. Yes, I do. Who has it? Somebody else has it.

I want it back because it is so frustrating. I think that there was. No one tags Kelty and it's a dog and an outdoor company. Oh, really? Interesting. I think it was really cool to have the one name for a second and then now I feel like it's going back. Like to be like the.

Yeah. Because then when you think about like the biggest celebrities don't have the one name. Like, I saw a girl who had Khloe on Instagram wasn't Khloe Kardashian. Well, it's because, like, they actually have to, like, protect their names. Do you know what I mean? Their names are, like, probably copied. Not copied. Well, they just, they have to have their own.

Trademarked. Their own name. Like, Gwyneth Paltrow. If she doesn't take Gwyneth Paltrow, someone else is going to take it and pretend to be her. Right. Right. No one's pretending to be Becca Tobin. And if you are, I'm so sorry.

Even my fan sites are down at this point. I did realize that the other day. No new content. Well, what's so weird is that I used to be able to, like, wait, like, a day, a couple hours after, like, a red carpet. So what people don't know is that you have to purchase your own photos from red carpets, like Getty Images and Wire Image. But, like, before, you could rely on fan sites to buy them for you. And then you could, like, have them after they've been posted. No one does that for me anymore.

It's a hard life in Hollywood for Becca. It's a real... Crickets over here. At Becca, just not making it. Did you even check to see who I was at, Becca Tobin? Does anybody? Yeah, somebody has it. Well, that was a problem.

I'll go. I also have a new Netflix show that I started watching, and I believe it's one of your faves. Schitt's Creek? Yeah. Well, it's not really a fave. I like it. I have mixed feelings about it. How far are you on it?

Like season two, but I stopped because it started to bug me. Interesting. I started watching it. I'm, like, eight episodes in, and I didn't like it at first, but it was, like, one of those, like, slow, weird humor. I went through that. Like, you have to get used to it. Like, Arrested Development isn't going to be, like, funny off the bat. So, like, I'm in it, and I'm in, like, the thick of it.

You'll fall out again. Really? Yeah. God damn it. Yeah. I hate watching shit that I don't like. It's a waste of time. Only because I know that we watch similar, like, scripted TV.

Yeah, we like the same shit. That you will fall off again, because I have the same trajectory. I'm sorry. I just love Dan Levy. I think he's so funny. So good. he's so funny in that okay bad week um i'm like recently getting over a cold i was super sick last week and i went to arizona for jared like put on a music festival and i didn't like know

what i had i was like i like woke up sick so i took a bunch of medicine felt nauseous whatever so i'm like it must not be anything like contagious well i gave it to him and he got sick like two hours before they played a show like puking projectile everywhere and i cannot imagine how that has to feel to be like performing on stage while you're a violent leo throwing up do people do that yeah you have to they don't really need him yes they do they could have someone else play wait he was violently ill yes oh i thought you were i was i gave it to him oh okay sorry i didn't think i was contagious i thought i just like overdosed on medicine oh and he had to do that that sucks play throwing up every good man did he throw up everywhere yeah

on stage no he like stopped like right before he started i think like with adrenaline he like kicked it out that's the thing but like i can't imagine i was like i was dying podcasting and all i had to do is sit here and do nothing you're also a delicate flower i am a delicate flower okay ready good week weed is legal across canada oh it is so exciting is it really yeah across the whole country a whole big country that's amazing bad timing because it's all i wanted when i was there last time now i bad week i am highly emotional during this time because my brother has been growing weed plants in his basement and the entire he's documenting the entire thing as an on his instagram and he named the plants greg and ronda and he started them as tiny seedlings

and he was like this one's greg this one's ronda and then he planted them and then we had first sprouts and then they sprouted up and now they're huge where he cut pieces and he's starting to clone greg and ronda and so today he text me and he was i was so honored he said do you want to name ronda's clone oh my god did you yes guess what i named it kelty the lady oh my god you're such a dipshit but honestly when i saw these plants come to fruition i i was emotional i was crying you were crying it's beautiful the circle of life my boyfriend used to grow it in our garage It was not emotional. It was just so beautiful.

And then it was like Greg and Rhonda. Every deadbeat would grow it in their garage. And then I said to my brother, I'm getting so emotional about Greg and Rhonda. He's like, I know. It's going to be so hard to cut them. Oh, my God. You're so weird. You also talk to your plants, too.

I do. Anyway, that's it. Next up is Josie. Oh, my God. Now back to the Lady Gang. Our guest today is one of the most fashionable humans on Earth. And fashion people are usually dicks But he's always been really nice to me

And that's why we invited him here He was born in Hong Kong but grew up in Canada Like me, all the good things come from Canada But at age 22 moved to New York City To study at the Fashion Institute of Technology Very chic He served as the creative director of Elle for 7 years And his latest project is something

That Becca and I are obsessed with He is an executive producer on 7 Days Out A Netflix original series Which focuses on the final mad dash to the finish line at big events like Fashion Week and the Westminster Dog Show. And it's my dream of counting down everything in perfect order, and I love it. Please welcome to the Lady Gang, Josie. Welcome.

Welcome to the show. I'm so excited. You know, I have to say that every time I listen to your podcast, my favorite part is your guest introduction. And I was like, what's mine going to be? Oh, my God. She's good. What are you wondering?

Did you like it? Listen, there's a lot of missing stuff in there. No, that's not the point. You do so much TV. You had a daytime talk show. I mean, you're, like, everywhere, but I just wanted to focus on the part that fashion people, we were just having a conversation about this, they're so mean to us regular girls, and you're always been so nice to me. I think they're mean to everybody. They are.

Yeah. Do you think that's why you had success, because you're, like, a nice person in fashion, and people, because when you're on the carpet, I mean, it's like, it's like the mayor of fashion world is there. Everyone is like, I mean, I'm like, hi, Jo, and you're like, hi, and then you're like, oh, Julia Roberts is trying to take me away. You know what I mean? But you don't forget the little people at Kelty Night. So nice of you. I love – hello, Canadian sisters. Hi, guys.

Right? Hello. No, I mean, you know what it is. Fashion is basically an industry of Regina Georges. Like, I mean, they are scary people. And the thing is I never set out to be like, oh, I'm going to be the nice one. It's just like – all of us went to high school. We remember what it's like not to be invited to sit at the cool table for lunch.

And I was like, I don't want anyone to feel like that. And that's the shittiest feeling that you can have. So if I'm going to be in fashion, I always said that if I was ever successful in it, I'm going to really be inclusive in all possible ways. And you can ask anybody that's ever worked for me. Like I have a very sort of inclusive personality and sort of policy when it comes to working for me. So fashion loves hierarchy. They're very much like, oh, I'm at the top.

You're at the bottom. Don't look at me. Don't speak to me. Only speak when you're spoken to. Blah, blah, blah. I'm the first one to walk in somewhere and be like, let's invite all the assistants to the meeting. But what do you think? What do you want to do?

And they literally stared at me and thought, wait, me? Wait, you're asking me? wait I'm supposed to say something I'm like oh yeah have an opinion and Ashley let's just do it

that's great I love that I know I love it too it's the Canadian thing do you think that's what it is you're so nice I mean yes

I mean Canadians are extra nice people that is true but also it's like you're humble you're humble people are we humble people for them

well you are not no but for the most part but we're nice you're nice and you give a shit very nice but you do that to one person

one time and they're gonna remember that for the rest of their lives and that's what makes a difference But also, I've worked for a lot of people that were terrifying and I've worked for a lot of people that were inspiring. And I remember thinking when I got into a position of being in charge, do I want people to work for me out of fear or do I want people to work for me out of inspiration? And you're going to get better results out of people who are inspired to work for you. I love that.

So true. All right. So take me from 22 Fashion Institute to then being creative director of Elle. How do you get there? I'm a dinosaur. So that's a long road. That's it. We're going to be buckled in, charge up the car, be ready.

Four days later. Well, no, I moved to New York from Toronto. And I was like, I want to work in magazines. And this was 1990. It was when magazines were hot. Yeah. And it was before computers. I mean, definitely before any sort of mobile phones or anything.

And it was really about magazines. And they were ruling. And I was like, that's what I want to do. And you couldn't do it anywhere but New York City. I knew that in order to work in New York City, I had to have a degree of some sort. because I couldn't get a visa. It's so complicated, you know. So I went to FIT.

I just got married, but okay. That wasn't legal for us back then either. So I was really locked out in the cold. Oh, my God, I was so screwed. So here I am wandering around, and I was like, I'm going to do it. And I moved to New York City, and I studied journalism. And then I got an internship while I was at school. And then I got a visa, and I started to work as an assistant at Allure

when they first launched for an incredible legendary fashion editor, Polly Mellon. And if anybody's ever seen the documentary Unzipped with Isaac Mizrahi, she plays such a key role in there. She is really one of the living legends. She's like one of the last living editors to have really worked for Diane Vreeland. So she really gets it.

She's super old school. I learned so much from her. Then I went to W in the mid nineties and sort of did that whole magazine and see it spin out to become the biggest thing it was when I was there for 10 years. And then I got my own magazine at Condé Nast. And then when that sort of went away, I was at Vanity Fair, which was amazing because I did like the Hollywood issue with Tom Ford and all of that stuff, which was amazing. I did a bunch of amazing ad campaigns, House and Garden.

And then Elle called and I was like, how can I not go to Elle? I mean, they've never had a creative director before. They wanted a complete redesign from top to bottom. And I was like, I love doing things where I can, like, roll up my sleeves, cross my legs, get on the floor, stay there all night, and work your ass off. And it was so much work at the beginning, but then at the same time, it was so gratifying. That's awesome. How much free stuff do you get now? Well, like, at any point in your career.

Oh, my gosh. What was the highest level? Yeah, where were you where you were getting the most free shit? have you did you buy any of the things you're wearing right now yes of course

I'm not a scammer and I like to wear my high low look I'm wearing top shop jeans I love that and a Saint Laurent sweater so there you go

and I may have got the Saint Laurent sweater at an outlet good for you hey I like it shopping love it

maybe near Palm Springs that's like the only good outlet it's not bad right yeah it's not bad okay hint for you pro shoppers no but seriously

I was like thinking in the mid 90s I think when I was at the height of W Magazine we would get so many Christmas presents that were so

and also it was like the height of luxury I mean like budgets are so different today than they were in the 90s and they were like just sending troves of stuff I was sending

giant trunks like we had these trunks that we would pack for photo shoots that were the size of a coffin we called them coffin trunks

I was sending home three four trunks a night to my doorman because there was so much stuff I couldn't carry it oh my god how much of that stuff

do you still have Or have you liked the art of tidying it up? Like, does this spark joy for me and gotten rid of? I don't Marie Kondo anything. I'm more hoarder than Marie Kondo. Okay, really? But my husband is such a good Marie Kondo. So much stuff has gone away.

I mean, but like really good stuff. Like I've had like signature Vuitton bags I've kept and like things I feel like, oh, I got to keep this. I can't get rid of it. Like I have a Vuitton dog bag that is like crazy. I have two dogs, but I would never put them in there because I would feel like such a douche to walk through an airport with my dog. in a Vuitton dog bag with a little window that rolls up

and it's not even like, it's not even FAA certified so you can't even bring it on a plane. Oh my God. Literally just for the looks. Literally. Yeah, it's really assholey

so like I just, it's really just in storage. Okay. Next question. Why won't they put me in magazines? You? Why would they not though?

I know, that's what my question is. Listen, I wear fancy designers that I rent from Albright. Is it because they know I rent my dresses? They know Dior is not dressing me.

No, I'm going to say that you shouldn't even want to be in magazines because nobody's reading them. Oh. Bingo. How about that? I appreciate it. Look at him twisting it around. What a good Canadian. You're in the magazines that matter.

Exactly. The things that you fight for don't even matter. Yeah. It just makes me mad. Like, Lady Gang, we launched our television show. This is going to sound stupid. We can take it out if you want to. But we launched our television show.

We are three female entrepreneurs who have built this brand. We're executive producers on our own show. We made sure to hire 85%, 90% women on our show. And we went to do our press to, like, get pickup on the show. And every magazine was like, no, we're good. And it's just so disappointing because I'm like, well, Regina King, I realize you're a Golden Globe winner. But she's like, next year I'm going to make everything 50% women. And people are like, could not stop writing about it.

And I'm like, here we are, three unknowns that make it, you know, anyway, I don't mean to cry, Joe, but what the f*** is up with magazines? No, but you know what, that's a really good story to tell. And like, you know what? And the problem is like so many magazines are sort of sprouting this mission now within the era of Me Too. It's like, oh, we're our whole mission is about female empowerment, which is great. But at the same time, you have a magazine where your cover line is like, lose 20 pounds

in 20 days. That's not female empowerment. It's really about embracing who you are. Yeah. And the reality is like, but I think magazines are just in a very difficult position right now. You know, I think media and publishing is sort of. Clickbait.

Well, definitely digital is a lot of things are clickbait. But also I think it's, to be honest, I have to say it's kind of like lazy reporting. Oh, what did you post on your Instagram? Let me write a 250 word post on that. But I already follow Kim Kardashian on Instagram. Nobody needs to see that. I already saw it. I don't need you to describe what I'm seeing in the picture because I saw it.

It's so true. But it's so many websites that are so much about that right now. And then they'll throw on a clickbait headline that says, you'll never believe what Kim just did. I hate those headlines more than anyone in the world. We saw it on Instagram. I agree. We saw it on Instagram four hours ago. So redundant.

So I think we have to find that place where it makes sense. And your story is worth writing. And if I was still in a magazine, Kelty, I would write about lady gangs. Even if you didn't know me? I think even better. Because this is a really fascinating story to tell. you guys are millennials you've started your own

female business you've gone out and done it you've created something we don't have famous parents you've created from the ground up but I think all of that stuff is really empowering how many young girls out there

want to come to Hollywood and create this little mini empire you know what we need to hire you as a publicist too bad you already have too many jobs new jobs add that to my calendar

okay let's talk about the Netflix show okay so it's called Seven Days Out I watched the Chanel episode last night I did Westminster I watched the Western show too. I was just going to say, I was sobbing.

At the moment that the man said, I'm just a middle-aged guy who's out of shape and I don't have a lot of money. But when I'm here with my dog and she wins, I get to walk out there and feel like somebody. Or something like that. And I was sobbing and just tears. And then there's Biggie the pug who's the, you guys have to watch this show. Sobbing on my couch. It was sneaky. Oh, and can I tell you right now that we're all sitting around here and probably none of you are giant scientist geeks.

But if you care, the NASA episode about a spacecraft, it's the end of the Cassini mission. Short story is, if you think you cried at Westminster, I never thought I would cry repeatedly over a spacecraft. And I did that episode. It's so emotional. I have to say all of them are. And that was really our mission. We wanted to tell these events through the eyes of people that really so passionately care about something. And you all know it.

And, like, listen, everyone out there listening, they may never do a NASA mission. They may never go to a Westminster dog show. They may never put up a fashion show at Couture Week. But we all have big events that are important to us in our life. And what you put behind it, whether it's your wedding, your family reunion, your Christmas dinner, you slay for it. But it is so gratifying when it comes together. And that's what this whole episode and really all of this, the entire series, is about. It's so true.

Yeah, it's so true. And what I loved about it and your idea for this show was that so often, especially with the crushed down media, you only see the winner. You see the dog show and you see the winner. You see Fashion Week and you see, oh, my God, Kendall Jenner wore the bride dress for Chanel. And that's the story. And I loved, like, in the Chanel episode, was it Chanel? Am I, like, so tired? Yeah, it was Chanel.

It was Chanel. Okay. In the Chanel episode, you see all these women who are the heads of the ateliers and sewing and they're like sitting there like we have to get the chiffon. And then you see this woman who seems so cool as a cucumber in all these meetings like let's see the models walk. And then she's literally like before each of these highest paid, most beautiful women in the world go out. She's like, you okay? You okay? You get him.

The girl in the pink, she's like the head lady or whatever. She's like, go get him, girl. You've got it. And I was like, oh, my God, we all just want our thing to work well. You know what I mean? Even if you're an asshole fashion person who probably would look down on my Zara sweatsuit. Like, you still are just like, come on, Kaya Gerber, you can walk. You know what I mean?

Like, it's inspiring. Because you root for the person and you root for these people because it means so much to them. So much to them. And we're talking about the seamstresses. I mean, like, we're talking about the Chanel episode where, A, number one, they've never allowed cameras. It was incredible. Into the inner sanctum of Chanel like that before. And the fact that they did was really a testament to the series, that they trusted us, they trusted Netflix, they trusted me.

But also I have to say, Andrew Rossi, who is our partner in this and fellow EP and director, such an incredible documentary filmmaker. He made First Monday in May. Oh, which I love. Which. Insane. Fashion porn galore. Best fashion documentary. And they did a New York Times documentary called Page One that was equally as riveting about the world of breaking news.

He was so great. And they loved him so much and trusted him so much. And I think that's what made these episodes feel so special. So whether you're watching Westminster, NASA, Chanel, Kentucky Derby, you know, the opening of the number one restaurant in the world, that these ideas that you can see that everybody is invested in it. So that whether it's about a duck, a tomato, a dress. It's so true. It doesn't matter. Because everyone has their thing that they care so much about.

Like I care about bullet journals. They don't. And you know what? And it shows how people really come together and work hard to make something happen. Yeah. perfectly because who has not watched the Fyre Festival documentaries? Both of them.

I mean, amazing. Right. And then that's the polar opposite. Oh, complete polar opposite. And I love them and I could not get enough of watching both documentaries. But someone tweeted me yesterday and said, I watched both documentaries for Fyre Festival, but now I have to cleanse my palate and binge seven days out because I need to know

how to be passionate about something and still do it right. Yeah, I love that. And I was like, yes, that makes so much 100%. It's so good. Okay, so will you do more? I would love to do more. I mean, we had literally a spreadsheet of maybe 300, 400 events.

And for me, it's like we did six. This show, for me, could go on for decades with the amount of events we want to cover, especially for Netflix, which really looks at events around the world, not just in the U.S. So there were things around the world that we wanted to do that are really well-known, some things that are not so well-known that we want people to really be educated on. So it runs a gamut. What would your, yeah, what's your most ideal event to do that people know about and that people don't know about? Ooh, okay, well, I mean, I think all the obvious ones, like the Super Bowl and the Oscars, but I think what we were talking about, like, I wanted to do Running of the Bulls because I want to know, who are these people?

Yeah. Who are you? You're crazy loonies. How are they getting ready? But, like, what are you doing? What are you doing? And how do you choose that? Like, why would you choose to be gored by a bull?

Why are you, what is your ultimate satisfaction from doing that? Like, I want to get in their heads and understand, like, do you train? Why do you, what is it, like, when it's over, like, what are you walking away with? Bragging rights? Yeah. I don't know, a scar? Like, I just want to know, like, you know, like, that to me is such an interesting tradition that's gone on for so long.

Would love to, like, really follow the people, the key people that are in it. Maybe, like, a bowl trainer. Maybe, like, a participant. Like, who knows? That's so cool. It's so interesting. You should do a Broadway show. I wanted to do a Broadway show.

There's so many weird licensing rights of music. Oh, yeah. Have you thought about Burning Man? Burning Man was on our list. Coachella. Like, all those. Burning Man would be amazing. I think Burning Man would be amazing because people do it, like, prepare for it all year.

And also, there's not been a lot on Burning Man. Well, it's seven days out, Jack. It's not 365 days. But the last seven days is really crucial when they're building everything and really, like, concocting all of that world of Burning Man. And it's still very much, like, off the radar in a weird way. the inner workings of it. I agree. It's still a lot of a mystery

surrounding that. Yeah. Like, are there actually orgies that go on? Do you prepare for them? Do you put condoms everywhere? I don't know. Tune in seven days out.

I'm saying, where do you buy your drugs from? Yeah. Do you come with drugs? All the burning questions. Burning questions for Burning Man. Yeah, okay.

I'm going to take you back to fashion because we are on the struggle bus. Okay. Becca's not, and Jack's not either. She has her own fashion line. I'm on the struggle bus.

You are not on the struggle bus. I'm asking on behalf of all the women on the Circle West. I'm definitely on it. I had to buy my dress for a Golden Globes event recently. Buy? Wait, do any Instagram influencer can borrow a dress? Oh, so sad. It is sad.

I had to buy my Grammy dress this year because I was like, I want this. And they're like, no. And I was like, oh, well, I guess I'm just going to buy it. Dicks. Yeah. I want to know what you think about the Bebe Rexha. Oh, about designers not dressing her. Yeah.

I was looking at that whole controversy about Bebe Rexha and saying designers wouldn't dress her because she's an eight. Listen, the whole fashion industry, I'm not standing up for the fashion industry at all. I'm just saying the whole fashion industry is a really stuck up group of people to begin with. And they have their very preconceived ideas of what particular celebrities they want to dress. I mean, I was shooting Jennifer Lawrence for a cover of Elle magazine and there were very prominent designers that said no. Oh, wow. Was she already Jennifer Lawrence? Oh, she was already Jennifer Lawrence.

But it's like it doesn't have to do with her size or what she looks like. It's like their brand. What are her preconceived ideas and their brand? Do they feel you as a person, as a celebrity, does your image fit into our brand? Yeah, like you're representing them all. Yeah, so I think it's less that she's an eight because certainly there are designers out there that I think that can make stuff for her. And maybe she's just not asking the right designers. And it's hard.

And there are brilliant actresses out there that sort of have to work their way up to some of those A-list designers. And, like, if you speak to any celebrity stylists who I bow down to all of them, that is the hardest job. Hardest job. I suck at it. I have done it. I've written in my book about it. I bow down to them. They are so good at it.

But if you talk to any of them, they are so good at being up front with their clients and managing expectations. because new ingenue actress says, I want to wear Gucci. And she's like, no, no, no. You're going to have to work your way up to that. We're going to wear these new designers. We're going to make you look incredibly fashionable. We're going to get a million pictures taken.

We're going to get them on the right websites. And we're going to move up one level to the next designer and get you to better events and better pictures. And you graduate to a point where you're asked to wear Gucci. You don't just get Gucci. So really it's less, you know, And so in a way, I'm not defending them, but I think there is such a complicated answer around Bebe Rexha's whole thing. It's very similar to us being on the carpet.

And I know you've worked at Entertainment Tonight and Insider and seeing a star come down the carpet where, you know, you have to graduate to be interviewed by Entertainment Tonight. Yes. Not every person gets a yes. and there's some people that are young and ingenues and you know they're coming up and you might take them at a smaller event. But I'm not talking to you at the Golden Globes. No.

So I guess I kind of understand that. And even within certain level celebrities, you may talk to someone, but then you're going to have to get rid of them quickly because the bigger one is coming along. And unfortunately, that level of hierarchy in Hollywood trickles down to fashion. And when you're talking about those big iconic brands,

Vitan, Chanel, Givenchy They don't want to dress everybody on the carpet They want to dress one, maybe two So when they're going to dress one or two They're going to be very selective About who that one or two is And trust me, it's going to be somebody incredibly well known Yeah, wow

Isn't it a wonderful industry we went into? Why didn't we stay in high school? I know, right? I could feel like shit in high school Exactly You wouldn't be paid that's true it's so

what's that word when you're like just do things that are so horrible for you over and over again masochist it is totally who do you think

right now and you can you know if it's your friend or whatever who do you think is like the best dressed celebrity

of this award season of this award season or in general like are you loving Gaga and her dramatics are you I am I love Gaga

since she came out at Venice Film Festival with that Valentino pink feather dress I fell on the floor like you know I don't I'm not that kind of gay

where I'm sitting at home being like I'm living I'm living oh my god not me but I was living um but I have to say and I'm just even though Julie Roberts is a friend I think it's really her year she's looked phenomenal phenomenal like really unexpected but still very her and I think there's ways where I think the fashion is so elevated but fun and not predictable I mean my my biggest beef with the red carpet is that everybody looks good because we're in the age of the stylist. Like we just don't have train wrecks anymore. And I kind of want a train wreck.

I saw a couple. You know what? Honestly, I used to get more press when I dressed terribly. And no press is bad press, Kelsey. No, it is actually disappointing because when I was wearing like really horrible dresses where I was like, I just want everyone to look at me, so I'm going to wear this sequined bodysuit with a skirt over top. Like I would always get press.

I would always be like, the looks, you know? And now that I like, I mean, I went to the Golden Globes and I thought I looked very beautiful and I was in a couture dress and everything. And it was like, you know, it's like, it really is like, you're either the girl in the Gucci or you're the girl in a thong and a fishnet. Yes. And like, the middle, nobody cares about the middle. Because the middle, you're all just really pretty.

Yeah. That makes sense. It's like, oh, yeah, that's pretty. You get to stay another week. Everybody else is like, are you the winner or the loser? Yes. Do you know what I mean? It's like drag race.

Yeah. And it's like, okay, you could just say, I'm like, oh. But then you're like, oh. It's almost worse to just be, you could say, feel nothing. I know, but then like, it's a tough place to be because I don't know if all press is good press. Because if you have like the worst dress of the week and you look like a hot mess, that picture lives on the internet forever. Or is it worse to be in the every look from the Golden Globes red carpet and there's 114 slides and you're 113? Is that done numerically or are they just slotting it in there?

I think they do it backwards. But was Debbie ever on those lists? Who's Debbie? Not Debbie. Matt Alpas? No, not Debbie. What's her name? Who's Debbie?

Why can't I? Juliana? No, no, no. Maria Menounos? No, the host of Entertainment Tonight. Nancy? Nancy? Yeah.

I don't know why I said Debbie. Oh, not really. No, but she doesn't like try for fashion. Okay. She's not like, I want fashion. No, and she's not doing all the carpet walk. She does. Does she do all that?

But, you know, anyway. So you're really doing well. Thanks. Okay, next. You're on there. It's true, you're on there. Farther than that, who is someone you wish you could give a makeover to? Oh.

I know this answer for myself. Spill the tea. Oh, wait, you do? You go first. Well, go. I'm very upset with Amber Heard's hair and makeup, her glam team. I was just at a wedding with her a few months ago. What's happening with her?

What's wrong with her? Is she sleeping in and getting ready in five minutes? No. And Carla Welch, who's an amazing celebrity stylist. Oh, I love Carla. Carla styles her. But her style is great. It's the glam.

It's the hair and the makeup that I'm like, what is happening? It's very aggressive for me. Right? She's so beautiful. Like, when you're that beautiful, you don't need a gimmick. You don't need an up-to-the-top. I would almost want to see her Angelina'd a bit. Me too.

Because she's so va-va-voom. Whereas, like, if you strip her down and just put her in really clean, classic Angelina looks, I'd be like, oh. And like a soft blowout. Then I feel like you're even more menacing. I agree. Because it's so overpowering at that point. Because instead of being the fashion look at me, at that point, it's just like, look at me. Like I'm that hot.

I don't have to try. Yeah. I don't know who I want to do a fashion makeover on. I mean, sometimes I think about that. And I think about it in silly ways. Like I always think, like, I want to make over all the bachelorettes. Oh, my God. Of course.

Because they're so bad. But I actually think they're all probably really pretty underneath. They are. They are. But it's all literally, like, spackled makeup and the same gown. Over and over. And over and over again. But I feel like I could make them all unique and fashion and editorial.

That's one thing I did want to do when I was at Elle. I wanted to take a group of bachelorettes and completely redo them. That would have been sick. That would be so tight. Like, no beach waves allowed. Oh, I did it one year with the final 10 from American Idol way back when. Oh, that's so cool. And really completely changed their looks because I loved American Idol in the day.

Yeah. And my biggest beef with American Idol in its heyday was that they never, ever packaged image for them. Like, they worked with them on sound. Yeah. And they sung their hearts out. But I was like, why would Carrie Underwood wear this? Why would, like, Jennifer Hudson wear that? Back then when they were nobodies.

And I was like, they should. Because image was 50, if not 80 percent of a recording artist. Yeah, of course. It's so true. So I got them for Elle, and I would strip some down and made some super glamorous. That's so cool. And people were blown away. Like, if you loved American Idol, you were like, oh, my God, that's her?

That's major. I feel like they try to do that for the voice, but it's, like, very... But those people don't have the same level of... No. Like, I never know who wins the voice. No, I don't know. Like, I care about the judges more than I care about the contestants. Yeah, I think that's what everybody does.

Yeah. Yeah. We'll do it for the math singer. Hey. I want to make over that unicorn. Are you the math singer? Are you on it? Would you do it?

You could do it. Would I do it? I couldn't even sing. I would have to talk songs. You're not the only one. You're not the only one. Like, hello, monkey. Step forward.

Why are you talking your song? You're like, this is rapping. This is who I am. Hey, this is a rap song. Okay. Last thing before we ask the lady gang. Five things that every woman should own. Because I will say this.

In my 20s, I was all about stuff. I want all the stuff. I want all the trendy stuff. I want all the patterns. I want all the looks. And then I met Becca Tobin, who I think has one of the best personal styles. Thank you. Not today.

Not great. But but she's someone that like I looked at her jewelry collection and she was like, I collect real pieces of jewelry that are going to be heirlooms in my family. And like, I don't just buy a pair of black pants like I go buy a beautiful pair of black pants that I'm going to have forever. And she wears her clothes over and over again. I was very much a fast fashion person. So I was just wondering, like, can you give advice to all of our ladies listening? Like, hey, look through your closet and these are like the couple of things you need and spend your money on these and throw out this shit. Yeah. Well, first I'll say a great pair of fitting jeans, which everyone says.

But you want that really cool pair of jeans that you feel dynamite in. But also can sort of be weekend and or something more dressed up as well. Can wear jeans with holes or no? I'm done with those. Okay. No holes. Yeah. Let's hang up the holes.

Okay, I agree. But you know what though? You can actually just fold them and put them at the bottom of your drawer because I feel like in a few years they'll come back. And I think a great tuxedo or pantsuit or something for women because then you can also wear those items broken up like I love a great tuxedo pair

on a woman with a pair of heels and a t-shirt and a great bag do you know what I mean like just something really changed up and then the jacket

if you want to wear with jeans or whatever so I love that idea and also sometimes you have to go out on an event I love a woman in like a tuxedo

I just feel like it's a change up from like another cocktail dress I agree great t-shirts because you can actually layer t-shirts

for evening, night, day weekend, anything and a great fitting t-shirt for everything that you could put underneath which i love um a clutch bag which i always love and i love love love a pencil skirt but not a job interview pencil skirt not from express no but something that is so tight you could barely walk in below the knee because i think every like just below the knee so tight with a slit

oh victoria backup yeah like just so sick and that you could wear with t-shirt and like a heel and You just look so good. I think it takes you up a million levels. You guys are kindred spirits. Becca doesn't want anyone over 30 to show their knees. I don't believe in women over 30 showing their knees. But also, I think also, and this is part of my tips, but when you are even shorter and you wear a skirt that length, you actually look taller.

It's true. It's like a weird illusion of being more stretched. But it's also a matter of your skirt doesn't fit right either. So, like, just make sure it's so tight you can barely walk and put stretch in the skirt and a nice kick slit in the back. Just don't sit down. When you see someone, do you instantly judge them on what they're wearing? No. Like, if someone came in to—

You mean secretly? Yeah, secretly. Like, if someone came in and was like, I want to work for you, and they were not dressed great and didn't have great style, you would be like, no. Well, a job interview? Yeah. No, because everybody wears—everybody's been so trained to be so one thing on job interviews. Yeah. Like, so I don't really look at that anymore because someone somewhere told them you have to wear a little black dress or this or that.

Like, they've read something online. And I'm like, oh, here we go again. I don't love job interviews, period, because I can usually tell what someone's like right away. So I'm not going to sit here and ask you the same five questions that you already read about on LinkedIn. Like, I'm just going to, like, say, hey, what's up? What are you doing? What did you see? What's your favorite show on TV?

All right, see you later. And, like, most of the time I can tell right away whether they're going to like something or not because they've already, like, read up on everything. They're saying the things they're supposed to say. And, you know, you don't get a sense of that. Like, I just want to see who they are. Like, am I going to want to work with you? Are you going to have good ideas? So, you know, it's usually that.

I really... What? No, there's a question I want to ask, but... No, ask it. Do you want to talk about Fab Life? Sure. Can you... Because we just went through the first season of our television show.

Yeah. Pulling it together is a brand new show, and it has been the most difficult thing in all three of our lives. We're all looking 10 years older, 10 pounds heavier. and just tired yeah and i know that you guys launched fab life which had this all-star cast and was such a great idea and it didn't land the way that each one of your individual talents should have shined do you have any advice or thoughts on like how to get through this shit well i mean i think i think launching anything is hard because it's so new and like you know

and launching something that doesn't have a legacy behind it requires a lot of tinkering and sadly we live in a time and place now where people don't really have time for you to tinker they're like oh it's not a success right out of the gate i'm like if i had a formula for success right out of the gate i'd be long gone sitting on like a king's throne like it's like we have to find an audience and if you really look at the long list of things that have been successes in life none of it was a success out of gate oprah show was not a success out of the gate ellen show was not a success out of the gate but like some of the longest running television shows in the history like mash all of these things, happy days, they had to find their audience. But that was a different generation where

networks allowed people to find an audience, you know, and we launched, but we had so many different, you know, it was a network show. There was a lot of people involved. There was certainly different things going on that people really want to try so many different things, but they needed a success so quickly. And I think when you are so scared and there's so much pressure for an immediate success chances are you're not going to take a risk and try something and i think it's about taking a risk and trying something but then being firm about holding on to that for a minute and you may lose people to get even more back in the long run and and i think that's easier for us to say in the vacuum of this room because then there's a lot of executives out there that

says my job is on the line i don't have time for you to find your audience right um but i i think you know i think you just have to like stick to what you believe in and really try to weed out all of the opinions because i'm sure there are lots and there are a lot of voices and there are a lot of people saying this and they're all contradictory but at the end of the day nobody knows lady gang better than lady gang and if you guys are eping the show and it's your show at the end of the day it'll be you and you guys have to stick to what you believe in and what you guys truly went there for did you feel more empowered eping seven days out after going through the rigmarole of all your different tv jobs um yeah i mean i always did it somewhat like

behind the scenes anyways and this was just more like official but yeah i mean i loved eping seven days out because for me it was really like developing the idea working with all my partners like doing edit notes and and doing everything from like editing the trailer to like cutting you know the each episode to sitting there at like sound meetings and graphic design and music cues and like all the stuff that was so to me incredibly fascinating because I love process and to me that was really great and I think all of that plays into what the final product is so it has to matter it has to matter because if you just sit there and you're just a hard talking head and you know and I have been for certain things and you have no control over the

process, ultimately it's not really 100% you. It's true. Damn. I feel like I just got schooled. Why? In a good way. We needed an inspirational speech. I think you guys should just do it and be like, listen, but take it all in. And I think there will be always nuggets of something.

Being open to what people say is important as well. But then at the same time say, you know what, you're right, but we're going to actually do it this way. It's more us. And find ways to take us out back and shoot us. But okay. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. When we come back, Joe has just fixed our life, and now he's going to fix yours.

Hey, ladies! Okay. Ask the Lady Gang. You ready to fix some lives? Oh, I'm always fixing lives. No pressure. Oh, my God. This is like fashion 911.

This is all on you, because our advice sucks. No, that's not true. It does. Okay. First question comes from Cellphone Snoopin. She says, my hubs and i are both 30 been together since college and just got married last summer in the fall we had some marriage problems we've kind of been distant and argumentative

and almost got a divorce for the last few months we've been able to work through this and our marriage has really improved since then recently i noticed he's been protective of his phone he won't let me look through photos like i tend to do from recent trips etc plus he always has it on him 24 7 i got skeptical and went through his facebook messages only to discover a very flirtatious convo with some girl a few days later i went through his phone which i learned he hides in the closet when he showers and discovered he's texting similar convos calling and facetiming this bitch all the time my question is what do i do it's all i think about and i am so tempted to bring it up to him but at the same time i'm afraid to bring it up because our marriage has been doing

so much better plus i'm worried it'll end us and then i'll have no chance for kids which is a dream of mine oh my gosh married heartbreaking married well first of all i think it's kind of difficult to say my marriage is doing so well yet he's hiding his phone in the closet and you're digging around for it in the dark yeah i'm i'm having we sort of have to define well but um but cell phone snooping i have to say number one i just got married in in october so what is that now thank you three months but we've been together eight years marriage is hard relationships are hard And, you know, it is, we always say, and people used to say to me, Joe, it's like a job. I'd be like, oh, what are you talking about?

It is harder than a job because you really have to focus on it. But the one thing, and this sounds like textbook cliche, if you don't have trust, you really just don't have anything. And the thing is, like, I feel like there are some things within a relationship that should just be you, and that's okay. Like, I really truly believe in retaining your identity in a relationship. So, you know what? I like my phone to be my phone, and I don't hand it to my husband for him to go through everything. there's nothing on it and he doesn't hand him

to my there's nothing on it but sometimes I just want my things to be my things like my friends might be texting and I don't like nothing

you know nothing scandalous but just if she feels like there's something fishy going on and she needs to get to the bottom of it

then really what is the point of this like like in snooping around she's going to find out that he is having an affair or cheating then

then your marriage isn't in a good place so you know I think for me it's like you can also create these crazy realities

in your head because you're doing all this or you could just like let it go and say I trust my husband the thing is is that I do think sometimes

men will I'm not saying it's okay but like year one of marriage I would have been like don't you text her year five

year ten you're like well you know do you think Chris would be having flirtatious conversations with girls on Facebook

I don't think so I'm just wondering if this is just like a phase and like it's worth getting divorced over. Like you have to like, is this the deal breaker for you? Like I think there's a conversation we had first and what I would do

because I'm snaky like that is what I would do is I would take the phone out of the closet and I would screenshot it like the text and then I would print it out and I would just leave it on the kitchen table for when he got home from work. Where does your marriage go from there?

Nowhere. That's definitely not coming back. But don't you think Don't you think you have to talk about it? She's delaying the inevitable because she's scared that they're not going to be together anymore. You're probably not going to be together anymore. Also, you're not. Well, here's the thing.

You probably won't be together anymore. And, like, your point makes sense. You want your own shit. But, like, he's obviously hiding something shady as fuck. And he's changed his behavior. I mean, something new is going on. He's not always been, like, protective of his phone. Maybe your marriage is better because he's getting laid all the time from someone else.

Freeze your fucking eggs and get out. you're only 30 first of all don't be freaking out about not this being the end of your dream to be a mother hello like my best friend's 41 just had her first child that's not a thing anymore so you gotta get out i mean like he's if he's doing it year one he's gonna do it year three six whatever and definitely have an adult conversation they've been together since college and just got married and they're 30 she knows him like it's not like this is like a new behavior like she knows the ins and outs of this I love that investigation

it's true and she's saying this because she doesn't want to say what she really believes and what she needs to do yeah and you need to sort of like own that to yourself and like empower yourself and be like hey listen you know what I don't deserve this yeah go have kids with somebody that's not going to cheat on you and maybe he's taking you for granted because you've been together

for so long and maybe you saying goodbye I'm leaving this is my this is a no for me maybe you'll wake him the fuck up and that's all he needs to come back around and work How do you trust someone? Lesson to take to your next relationship, you don't need to snoop around on the phone. You can't go into the next one thinking, oh, I don't trust anybody in communication anymore.

That's a tough place to be. Yeah. You can't bring your baggage somewhere in a new relationship. Question two comes from Grumpy Pants. She says, I'm a nurse and I work for a large company. The company is in dire financial straits and things are looking real bad. I don't want to post my resume just yet because I love what I do and I'm hoping the boss people can get their shit together it's a big company if they fail it's not good for anybody in the

meantime how do i go to work every day knowing i'm walking into a garbage fire and not have a shitty attitude or do i call it and post my damn resume sincerely are you kidding me so basically the company is taking fire she needs to know what she should do oh my gosh i read somewhere not to take it back to fashion but i think anna winter had a really and like listen she talks all the time but like there was something she said that i stayed with me a long time ago she said if i ever wake up and i am angry about what i do i'm not gonna do it anymore oh and i've never i quit like wait a second where's everybody going and you just single-handedly broke up the lady i'm just kidding i'm just kidding but but i i was

like that's so true if you wake up and you are generally hating the day already because you don't want to do what you do get out yeah get out nobody's holding a gun to any of our heads and if she feels like the company's tanking and she hates being there because garbage fire is not a vote of confidence get out there's a million jobs to be had what are you hanging around for it's gonna get out anyways when it all goes to shit so might as well get out now and i think people respect other people if you're like i posted my job and someone at work's like we saw you post your job be like yeah who wouldn't you're taking care of myself exactly you do the same be the first to on that lifeboat

because there's only so many. Yeah, they're not going to run out of space. Women and children. Right? There's twice as many people as there are lifeboats. You don't want to be stuck on a door. All right.

And that situation doesn't sound... The garbage fire doesn't sound like it's being extinguished anytime soon. I'm going to call the lady game a garbage fire. My garbage fire job? It's not wrong.

Okay. Last question comes from Katie. Katie says, I'm not a super organized person but would love to become one. My house is not dirty, just messy with piles of clutter everywhere i feel like i'm constantly donating clothes and unused items but it doesn't

seem to make a dent the most annoying is the lack of organization in my closet do you have any tips oh here we go yeah watch marie kondo no i'm just kidding i need to do that to my closet i just got the best i actually was going to show you today and i forgot because i know that you have like your little baby house um okay so it's on amazon i also have a baby house i share my closet with a husband my house was built in 1936 apparently people didn't believe in closets or having more than it's a beautiful house it's a beautiful house and the closets are like this big there's like a couple i want to cry every day that i get dressed yeah so what it is on amazon is it's like a it's a pole and it has stirrups on it so you hang the pole from your

original pole, and it gives you a secondary pole, so it's as if you got a fancy, high-end... Yeah, but I already have all that. Oh, you do? Like, the double pole? Where, like, things sort of hang down from each other. No, no, no. It looks like you have two poles in your closet. It's like, here's your normal pole, and here's

the, like, little new guy. Oh, got it. And you can do pants and tops. That stresses me out. That's too... That is too cluttered. But I think it's just about, like, streamlining everything, don't you think? Like, we all have stuff in our closet where we have not worn in a year. Get rid of it. But you might wear it, you know? No, it has hashtags on it.

I've been there for four years. You can't think twice. It's not like, oh, this is my loose 15 pounds dress. This will come back in style. I'm sure if I find the right shirt, these pants will look great. All gone. But also just stuff like maybe you love last summer. You're not going to love the summer.

Like just get rid of it. That's true. You know, it really is about like if you haven't worn it in a year and you haven't even thought about it, let it go. And it's not even about sparking joy. It's about just sparking interest. It's true. Like do I even care about it? Yeah, I can't do the spark joy.

I can spark the interest thing. Nothing I own sparks joy. Nothing. Everything I own sparks joy. I have a sequined shirt that I never wear, but I just see it in my closet. It makes me happy. It's just hanging right there. Really?

Oh, and then I spend too much money on a spark's dread, and I'm like, oh. That's the other thing. Guilt. I'm like, now I can't throw it out because it's so expensive. I do have things that spark guilt. Yeah. Spark dread is real. You should start a new side thing on Netflix, like the anti-spark joy.

Should we just start a Twitter account, Spark Dread? and people are like, this costs this much, I'll never wear it, but I'm not throwing it away. Or like when you see an unknown number call on your phone, Sparked Dread. You see your mom calling, Sparked Dread. You see how much you spent over the weekend drinking. You go to Whole Foods, Sparked Dread. Basically everything in life, Sparked Dread. I bought $900 bread on accident.

I was in a hurry. Air One, Sparked Dread. Oh my God. I just walked out at $25. I walked out at Air One, $400. I don't even know what I bought. It is the most expensive thing in the world. Easily.

Two things at $65. I'm like, I don't understand. I don't get it. I had one bag. One bag. Group dinners. I was literally at a group dinner last weekend. There were 11 people, and I was like, ooh, at the end of this, we're going to have to

split this tab. Spark dread. It's dreadful. I would just want to go. 11 credit cards on the table. Anyway, Josie, you're a love. You are. I love you guys.

You guys can follow him at Mr. Josie. Put the Mr. in front. And check out Netflix. Seven days out. It is a fabulous show. You should binge it this weekend. We're so proud of you, and we can't wait until we're famous enough that you can do Seven Is Out of the premiere of season 10 of Lady Gang TV.

Please don't. We're at our worst. It sparks dread. It sparks dread already. No, it sparks dread. It does. And we will see you next Tuesday. Thanks for listening.

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