LadyGang - Lady Lessons: Race

Episode Date: August 13, 2020

E!’s Nina Parker is here to talk about her recent Bravo special, “Race in America” and why it’s so important for audiences to see right now. Hear how she turned getting fired for being too opinionated into her biggest career move, the feeling that some people can live in two different Americas and how we can all help to build a more effective and empathetic audience in the world.   Special thanks to Vince Camuto for sponsoring this series. Use offer code LADY to receive 20% off your next purchase of $75 or more at vincecamuto.com.  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Things are about to change around here. Each week, we catch up with Hollywood's hottest girl posse, Kelty Knight, Becca Tobin, and Jack Vanek. Hello, hello, hello, everyone. Whoa, it's so weird. It's usually Becca doing that. Welcome to the Lady Gang, and welcome to a very special episode of the show. This summer, we've teamed up with Vince Camuto to present Lady Lessons, a five-part series here on Lady Gang. So after we wrote our book, we realized there were other topics in our lady life that we wanted to do a deeper dive into. The upcoming curriculum includes conversations about fertility, finances, race, career, and mental health. Vince Camuto is the perfect partner for us based on their brand values of empowerment, passion, integrity, loyalty, and self-expression.

Things that we see every day with you, our Lady Gang community. And speaking of community, the topics and questions you hear in this series will be community sourced. And we can't wait to hear what you think. Without further ado, on behalf of Vince Camuto, we present this week's Lady Lesson. The Lady Gang. Hello, hello, hello. Welcome to the Lady Gang. I'm here with Jack Fannick and Kelty Knight. I'm Becca Tobin.

And today we have a Lady Lesson with our very special guest. I can't believe it's our last Lady Lesson. I know. We've learned so much. This has been amazing. Save the best for last, though. Obviously. OBS. All right. Let me introduce her, and let's get into it. Our guest today is the co-host of E's Nightly Pop and can be seen appearing on E's Daily Pop, E from the Live Red Carpet, and more. She began her career working at a local NBC News affiliate in San Francisco before moving to Los Angeles, where she assisted and was the, let's be honest,

the reason tmz became such a big huge thing serving as the talent producer and weekend manager of the website turn television show she has served as an entertainment news correspondent for the insider on cbs with me where we met where we met and the host of the reunion shows for vh1's top rated franchise love and hip-hop this past sunday she hosted an absolutely fabulous special on bravo called race in america a movement not a moment um i consider her a friend having worked together for years and i've been so proud to watch her rise in the entertainment industry um she really is so authentic stayed true to who she is and now she's at the top and i'm so happy she is here today please welcome to the lady gang the one and only nina parker

the the top is over i mean you really you really put it on thick kelty i still got some things to do but i appreciate that you're right the thing is nina is that when you're in it you don't realize where you're sitting. Yeah. You know what I mean? And like, it takes one to know one that I'm like, there's so much, there is actually, you're on television like nine hours a day. Like there's not that much more to do. I mean, I know you have other things in your brand to do, but like you're, you're crushing and we're very proud of you. The special was so incredible. And honestly, it's exactly the kind of content that we need because we can watch it in the comfort of our own homes and learn things for two hours straight. I opened my eyes in even more ways. Um, how did

they reach out to you and how did this come to be? Yeah, well, you know, um, so I'm with E obviously. And so E and, and Bravo are all under the NBC universal family, but I actually had never done anything with Bravo. Um, they even were doing like Instagram, um, interviews like live, like they were doing small little forums. I wasn't participating in that. So I, I really was just doing my thing with E and just you know obviously when things really went to a head with George Floyd I was just really uh vocal about my feelings of Black Lives Matter and allyship and support and a couple of those videos went viral and so um I don't know I guess they just saw the work that I was doing and decided that they wanted to do this special um and they partnered with so Candy Burris

is one of the executive producers of the special she partnered with a production company um that was run by two black women so I don't know if they had just kind of seen my work or what but they reached out to the network and just basically said we wanted to see if Nina would be interested in hosting this so it just kind of connected that way they reached out to the network and the network asked me if I'd be interested and of course um you know I was all for it and were you what did anything surprise you um no um you know we had a few technical issues while we were filming because you as you guys know doing it virtually doing it virtually like three people is hard right so with like 15 people it's you know sometimes especially when you know things are heated or

you're talking about something you're really passionate about everybody's talking at once is I was prepared I host 11 hip-hop reunions so I was prepared for the crosstalk I got this no big deal no I don't have to dodge a shoe like this is great so it was actually fine you know just it was more of a technical thing as far as you know that was really honestly the most surprising thing is trying to get everybody's opinion and get everybody to speak at once um just because you know also you're dealing with delays so you have some people hearing it two second delay some people are three second delays but as far as the content um you know we could have gone deeper honestly um we were dealing with people who are really famous in their

own right um you know like Portia and and um Candy and these are people who have schedules so we only had a certain allotted time to film the special so I really felt like we could have gone even deeper because it was definitely going there um and you know hopefully we do get an opportunity to maybe even do a part two with other members of Bravo because I know a lot of people were writing in and saying like these are the people we expected to be in but we feel like there are people from Vanderpump rules that need to be in this or you know whatever so which I agree so I think it could be a different type of conversation but I definitely think it can be something along those lines that can really progress the conversation I love that so we worked together for a few years um when you

were on the insider you'd come off TMZ and were like stolen from them to come to CBS before you moved over to NBC um we worked at the same show um I know and I've especially been thinking about how different our experience and entertainment um has been and so I you know I'd love for you to share your story and your journey of getting to where you are because um you know when we talk about like there's seats at the table and you have to work four times as hard just to get one of those seats I think you are an a real living breathing example of that yeah I mean I got fired from cbs so i mean that's a example right there yeah they fired they just did they not renew or did they fire i mean they not they didn't they no they they didn't well i think

that's firing you i think you know yeah you have a contract that comes up that can can be extended and they say we're choosing not to extend your option yep and i want to say then that's you letting me go it's a very polite way you know um but you know I was basically told I was too opinionated and um too aggressive and you know too authentic and that people didn't want that um and that I'm you know I wanted to have uncomfortable conversations and debates and they wanted to stay safe and talk about red carpets and so you know when we talk about our experiences I mean me being authentically who I am lost it I lost a job you know I was I went through a really deep depression um probably for a few months before I was actually let go from CVS

because I knew it was coming we had a new boss and I just knew they weren't filling me and like you were getting 65% I think of the red carpets they were sitting they were flying you out they were giving me like the little like junkets that you know uh and this is like back in 2014-15 i want to say this was a while ago so the people that made these decisions aren't there anymore um but they were giving me like the the the scraps the third tier stuff and i didn't understand because my like we said i came from tmz i broke um michael jackson's death i was a part of when I was at CBS when Whitney Houston passed away and was a part of reporting on that like I had an extensive resume so the fact that I wasn't getting um the same type of work which wasn't

any fault of yours it definitely at the time I was just like I don't understand why I'm being treated differently or why I'm getting these or why they're only sending me to the NAACP awards and not to MTV like things like that where it's like you know black voices are important in all aspects not just talking about black things like we can talk about I can talk about Britney Spears are you know probably better than anybody in entertainment i was gonna say britney i've seen it and i would agree i would agree yeah so you know our experiences were very different and i felt very alone at that place i i had you know people we were all cool but everybody was in their own thing and and at the time like we were all young and really trying to just like make it work and

figure it out and um it was my first real entertainment job because tmz is not like a red carpet type of reporting correspondent reading a teleprompter we didn't do any of that so CBS was definitely that for me so I learned quite a bit I learned what I didn't like um but the experience changed me in a way that it made me more authentic because when I was let go for basically being myself I was really like you know how do you take this rejection because when you're an actor and you don't get a role you can say oh they just didn't like my choice when you're a host and they don't like you it's you take it very personal because you're like damn they just don't like who I am as a person right so it was really difficult by the time I got let go I had already

accepted it so but a few months beforehand you can just tell like a relationship you can tell people are feeling you yeah I started to kind of make an exit plan I was smart enough to just start thinking of other things that I wanted to do so by the time they actually said look we don't want we don't want to deal with you anymore I actually had a couple of other options on the table of people who were like, we want you to be yourself. We want you to say these things. I think they were just a little bit behind the ball on what is happening right now. Um, I was just ahead of the curve and just being truly my black authentic self. And I don't feel like it was necessarily appreciated there, um, with the people who were making decisions.

Yeah, for sure. And, um, and I want to apologize to you, Nina, because I was very young in my career and I was just excited to be there. You know, I was so hungry. And so you were off the internet too like you were like the internet personality that became on air so you were hungry just trying to you know get like I was like I don't belong here I need to do and you know and and and drove myself almost crazy because I had too much on my plate and yeah and you know in my wake I realized there was you um and there were other people too you know what I mean but uh it wasn't fair and I'm really sorry and and I think that's why when I've seen you out um I'm and when I've watched your career like I'm especially proud of you because I know what

went down there even more than you're sharing now and it's it's incredible what that you picked yourself up place yeah it was you picked yourself up thank you I appreciate that it was it wasn't easy you know I'm a black woman I'm a plus-size black woman at that and the entertainment industry is not kind to us in general and um you know or they are said they want you to only talk because one of my things there was like they only wanted me to talk about black things like you know pitch black celebs and things and I'm like I have a rolodex of you know everybody and having a pick you know I can have an opinion on Katy Perry just like anybody else so it was you know what helped you know sometimes rejection is protection and it really drives you like you can be you can fail at

something and really take it to heart and like let it make you go into your shell or you can thrive from it and from what I what I understood at that point was okay I'm not for everybody so that's what I was like, I'm cool with that. And I'm going to go where, where I'm loved and appreciated. I am not going to force this like circle into a square peg anymore. Like people can love me or hate me. I'm going to authentically be myself, whether the audience is three or three million. That's it. That's what I decided after that experience, because the last few months I was there, I was trying to be somebody I just wasn't. And I was like, miserable. And I was like, this is not the way it's like I'd rather start a YouTube channel than do this and be this unhappy

trying to be somebody else so I really learned I want I grew from that experience so much I'm so appreciative I thrived like my career my money everything thrived after I left there you know what I mean I just it was the it was the best thing getting let go from there was the best thing has ever happened to me in my career truly yeah I love that yeah um I want to talk about something that on the, on the Bravo special. Um, so I have all my notes over here. Sorry. I'm looking away from the camera. Um, okay. So I don't, there you go. It's on notes, notes on notes. So I don't watch the OC housewives, so I don't know Braun win well, but you know, but anyway, so she talked about, um, one thing she said on the special, he said, you know, like I'm a white

woman and I live in this very like Republican, very white area and having the pandemic was really, and COVID was the first time that she couldn't sort of brush the news aside, what was happening in the world and be busy with other things. Um, you know, which is very truth speaking for a lot of people in, in, in our position as white women and white people. Um, she said, you know, this was the first time really, this was uncomfortable and there was this awakening because we're all stuck in our homes. We couldn't look away. Um, it's very late obviously, but how do you feel when you hear her say that um and you know you know who what do you feel supported by since covet has made everyone stop and be like okay now is the time well i like it it's the way

i feel is like if we as women were having a discussion with a man and he was like you know i'm just now realizing sexual harassment in the workplace is a thing like this this is so crazy like i can't believe you guys as women have been you know reduced to being treated like this i think we would be like okay i'm glad he recognizes it but damn it's 2020 like you just now realizing that sexual harassment in the workplace exists or that this is an offensive thing that you said so i think it's bittersweet i mean it's like okay there's a part of me that's like i'm happy that you're at the party there's another part of me that's like i hope you brought appetizers and wine for being so late. And it's, you know, it's just reveals, you know, there's to me, I feel like

there's two Americas. And so I just think that there have been people who have and people I know and care about, who just have had completely different experiences, you know, to just the world in general. And I think it's easy to want to, I mean, sometimes I don't want to deal with sometimes it's too heavy for me so sometimes I understand the oblivious you know people being so oblivious to um things that are are heavy but you know I don't have the luxury of being able to ignore it so um it's something that I'm forced to deal with whether I want to or not unless I just decide to stay in the house forever you know so I'm glad that she is vulnerable enough to admit that because I think you know you have to I think once you can say it out loud you're shocked to say

you know uh morgan kind of said the same thing that she's you know a beverly my co-star on nightly pop in case people don't know who she is morgan stewart but she was like you know i feel like i've lived in the bubble because i've grown up in la i have a diverse group of friends we kind of grew up in a very diverse area where you know everybody was just it was probably more money based than it was race based but you know yeah for her she was just like you know it's this has been an eye-opening experience. So I feel like, damn, you know, what a life to have to not have to deal with that if you don't want to, to be able to turn a switch off. But yeah, I'm glad that people are being more empathetic than they have been in the past. In one of your conversations

that went viral you were talking about like the dms you get and has that changed um meaning like the harassment dms yeah the harassment no it's never gonna change because i'm opinionated and i'm black so i could be talking about something innocuous on the red carpet and i get a racist dm that you know calls me the n-word like i'm i am like completely probably at least 9.9 unaffected out of 10 um when i get these dms and tweets now um maybe when we were working together back in the day i probably was way more sensitive um but now i just kind of realize like you as you guys know being opinionated women i'm sure you get you know even other women who are like you're doing too much you know from something that you can just talk about so being

opinionated and if i'm being opinionated in black on black culture um people who have no idea about how it moves are telling me their opinion which is which is always funny to me um so no it's it's not stopped it probably never will it's this has been from like when i worked at tmz and i would get people sending me pictures of gorillas and you know tweeting me but that makes me feel like i'm doing something like i used to get offended and now i'm like okay that's all you got like you know is they're always so unoriginal they never know how to read you properly and it's like you know it makes me feel like i'm i'm affecting you because if i was saying if i was going with the flow and being a yes man and not wanting to make waves i wouldn't get any dms or emails or

tweets they would be cool with what i was doing because i would be doing nothing so the fact that you're sending this that you're so pressed that you got to go to your little phone log in send me something find me that means i'm i'm on your mind so i i think i have you know they i exist in their world they don't exist in mine you're listening to the lady gang all right so in the lady gang we posted that the special is happening we encouraged everyone to watch um and then some of our fans and community had follow-up questions and so this is a lady lesson and so we really want you know obviously nina it is not your job to educate us you are not the teacher but thank you for coming on and answering these questions. Um, okay. So the first one that said, said, um,

you know, uh, watching, um, made my jaw drop. How can I express that? I'm so sorry for what has happened and continues to happen. Is it helpful at all to hear? I want to express that I'm listening and moved, but only if it would be helpful. I think to me, uh, you know, and listen, I can only speak for me. I can only speak for me and how I feel. I can't speak, you know, I can't even be expected to speak for everybody because you know maybe some people want to hear I'm sorry all the time I don't um for me I I just want true like allyship you know so and some people don't even want that like I know people who are like I don't even want allyship like I don't want nothing and there are some people who you know some people are like I'm not gonna beg for this

but for me I think it's unrealistic to expect to live in this world without having an ally like I mean I just moved to a new neighborhood I need my neighbors to be my allies as a single woman you know what I mean so I feel like to expect that you can't have allyship just in the world in general I think is kind of a irrational idea so you know obviously that I just think that I personally don't need apologies like I think when things really went to a head I had a lot of friends who were white who reached out like I'm so sorry I just and I was like girl like you we're good like you don't have to cry you don't have to apologize but I understand it like I understand the intention. And I think that's really important. I think intention is just

really important in general, because I do feel like there are people whose intention is to feel bad because they're supposed to, but not because they really do. And I think if you don't really feel that, people will know it. And I think that's when we get into the performative allyship. You know what I mean? Like it's not authentic, or you post one black square and think you did something. I think that's when people call you out. And then people will say, well, dang, there's no pleasing anybody. Like I did this, I did that. And it's like, no, just like anything people can see through you when you're inauthentic. And so, especially if you're a part of something as women, we know when a man is being inauthentic, if he's sincerely sorry, or if he's just saying sorry to shut our

asses up, like we know the difference, you know? So it's like, we know the difference with someone being performative as opposed to being truly invested in change. So for me, I don't really care if you're saying sorry i just want to see you move differently and i think that can be many things because it doesn't mean you have to be out protesting it doesn't mean you have to post something but it means you have to do something um and what that is is really truly up to you but i think that there should be an acknowledgement that what i've been doing is not enough what can i do and find what that lane is for you um more than i'm sorry because you can say i'm sorry and then go back to ignoring a problem it does me no good that actually leads me to my next

question which is similar you touched on it i just want to read it out of um you know respect to our our our community um she said leah mcsweeney on the special talked about getting involved in the black lives matter movement when she saw the video of eric gardner being murdered i know you asked her the question but was there was there a weird she you asked her the question nina but was there a weird feeling of it being a performance for her um how do i best share resources be an outspoken anti-racism ally on social media without coming across as performative and this is something i've felt too like we've made a lot of changes within lady gang like we realized we weren't doing enough but like i'm not going to be on social media being like here's all the things i did this week i just

want to do them you know but but then it's like is that enough i don't know is that enough and And then also it's like, if, if you're like reposting informative kind of things, it's like, do I, it, we don't know, I guess, like something can feel right to us, but like, how is it being perceived, especially to our black friends? Right, right, right. And I mean, I think there's, uh, that fear of being tone deaf, you know, um, which sometimes you're going to just fall. Like sometimes you're going to do shit that just is like, oh, this was a misstep.

You know what I mean? And, and I know that's such a hard thing to say, but I think, you know, and the thing is, is unfortunately, you know, like I said, everybody kind of wants something different. So, you know, not everybody wants things, but nothing is, and I feel like Black people, Black culture isn't a monolith. So, you know, there's going to be things that please some that don't please others. And so you have to find like what's best for you. But I think, you know, you guys are in touch and I'm sure the people that are supporting

you are real are being actively trying to be involved and and have enough wherewithal to be like you know what this feels right to me this feels like something you know the best way to gauge it is like is do you care about it you know what I mean like does it affect you how how does it make you feel because if you're feeling like meh which is like how I approach most things on Instagram like if I repost it it's because I'm like oh damn even if it's a quote about a relationship if it made me go oh that was a word i'm reposting it if i say if i question oh is this right i usually don't do it because i i just feel like okay if i'm even thinking about like i don't know if this is gonna work um then i'm not gonna go there but going back to um leah you know i think

it's hard it's hard to judge someone who's being interviewed first of all like she was dressed up she's hair and makeup um we had a lot of filming issues so i i think you know it's hard to to judge her and say it's performative because i think her receipts do show that she has been a part of the black lives movement even before um george floyd was killed um you know murdered she was a part you know this was back she is a new yorker this was back to when eric gardner would passed away she was marching with black lives matter i don't know how deep it goes but i this is not something she just decided to participate in in 2020 um so you know it's like we you know we got to be easy on each other too because I think you know there's so much judgment going on right now that you know

it's hard for people to feel like they can navigate authentically but um I didn't feel that it was performative but I just feel like that's just kind of you know you're talking to reality stars you're just gonna get a certain type of energy period that's a nice very nice spoken like a true television host um okay so another question was the line between and I love this question, appropriation and support. I want to purchase from a black owned clothing accessory line, but if I wear those items, is it support or appropriation? Um, so Jack has been, is our resident fashionista and she has found and been digging through and has found a way to support all these designers and been buying things. And I mean, it's, it's well,

no, I'll ask this specifically because there's this specific, uh, black owned brand. It's an african inspired um all of their patterns on their clothing are african inspired and i've had that same thought where i'm like i mean you know i i'll people probably feel a way i you know honestly some they're not everybody some people will might feel a way like girl what you doing i'm like i don't want to look like like ignorant in that sense too yeah yeah and you know and but this is the thing like um and i'm i'm a black woman from california i don't know all the i don't know every rule and regulation about um what has happened with you know the different tribes in africa what what's appropriate all i don't even know that you know so there are things i could do

that could be offensive and i try to be um you know like right now i'm wearing you guys can see like i'm wearing a shirt with kente cloth that says queen on it um but you know i do i even try to be respectful um with that sometimes because i'm like shoot i don't i don't know like what am i wearing this appropriately so there's sometimes where i might take a pause too or i take a moment to do a little bit of research to make sure that i'm not you know being offensive to something that is really authentic to people that they you know they do every single day and i think you can be um you can support these or you know fashion is a little bit different obviously hair is a little bit different because i feel like there are things that black people feel like are true to us that

you know when someone else does it it gets attention and then it's like well i've been doing this for you know 20 years and people you know i've been at a job where they told me not to wear my hair this way but somebody else can do it and you know kelty does this and it's the hottest thing you know on right it's a new trend so it's it's you know it's that sensitivity but i think you know with support there are so many ways um that you can support black businesses and i have a few friends who are white who supported black businesses by gifting me things so we're just like, hey, I bought this and I want, you know, I'm giving it to a few of my friends. I wanted to give it to you. Someone we both know, Kelty, she gifted me some shea butter. I sure

didn't get offended. I was like, I'll put this right on my hands. She found this business and she was like, oh, I found all these lotions I want to support. So I bought like 10 of them and I'm giving them to all my friends. And she gave them to her white and black friends and everything else. But I think that there's ways that we can do it that still, you know, support, but also remain authentic to who we are because you also don't want to uh you know start you wearing head wraps and you know being like this is who i am now yes okay um one of my uh favorite moments in the special is actually asked about so you ask candy you know have your feelings changed since this movement and you know are you feeling safer and she admitted i don't feel safer and then it

kind of went into this conversation um where this quote was said the white folks feel like black folks supervisor so how do we be allies without being assholes i mean this is really like the care this was from the karen conversation which i mean if you talk to any black person i'm sure they've had this experience where you know you're you're in equal play you know we're both at the store we're both patrons of this supermarket but for some reason you know another customer feels like they can come up to me and say where are you going or what are you doing or where do you you know I think that there have been a lot of black people who have dealt with like this weird sense of entitlement to be able to question a black person about anything regular things that they're

doing so I'm sure you guys have seen the hashtag that like you know Ahmaud Arbery was jogging or you know uh air garner was standing outside of a store you know doing regular things and being harassed by doing those regular things where another white person may not question another white person about those regular things um which you know really is underlying so obviously some type of bias fear racism like those are all of the things rooted in it um and so it's just it's it's a it's a hard thing because you know most of the time my rule of thumb is mind your business Like, I feel like you can avoid most of these situations unless you see someone being harmed, obviously, you know, you're, you're, you're participating in that, but like, there are

a lot of things that just aren't people's business. Like all these Karens that get involved in situations and we see these videos and you're just like, we look at the woman, Amy Cooper, it's like, this, this is so avoidable, you know? So I think it's just with those types of situations, I just, I'm, I think we're all perplexed. I, you know, there are white people who I've seen be like, what were they thinking? Like, this is just not their, not their place to ask. And, you know, I just think that we have to try to get away from feeling like we need

to police anybody, you know? I mean, we have issues in law enforcement. Damn near the police don't need to be policing people in certain situations. So we definitely don't need to be doing it to each other. Right, right. I love that. Okay. Final question.

She says, I'm learning the roots and history behind common, common sayings and realizing that they can be racist. why is it so important for us to change our vernacular? Well, I think it's just like anything, you know, I mean, we, we look back at these like shows from like the seventies and sixties and we cringe because there were things that were being said on TV that, or just, you know, we just wouldn't allow. Um, I was rewatching the office office while I was unpacking and they were like using the R word. And I was just like, they would not put this on TV now. Like this is, so it's and that was the episodes from like 2005 yeah that wasn't even that long ago no it's just

like i think you know this is not just a black thing this is something we as society decide words are and phrases are not appropriate as we progress and grow it's like of course when you know better you do better so it's like you know when people always say like oh i you know i long for the good old days i'm like who's good old days who was it good to you know i it's so funny i have this joke with a friend of mine um who he's white and he was saying how he loves like time travel and i was like movies and sci-fi and i was like you know i've never really loved time travel the theory of it because where am i going like right yeah past night 1975 i don't want to go back like there's no there's no place i would feel comfortable i was like that that to me is not

an exciting theory uh you know so even in things like that where it's like that experience where he was like oh time travel would be so great we could go back to the 60s and i was like and do what it's normal i think for us to uh you know progress i don't i don't know why that's such a problem for some people yeah yeah it really is um well listen i appreciate your time this has been amazing um i did find out that you can watch the special if you missed it race in america movement not a moment it's available on the bravo app it's also available on youtube tv which i have and you can watch nina every monday to thursday at 11 30 p.m on e um you can follow her ms gossip girl m zed i'm canadian a gossip girl and you should and you should and i know you have a lot

of exciting things um up your sleeve for the future 2020 and 2021 so you're gonna want to be ever goes away then maybe it'll happen she's got things happening remember when our shows aired on the same night premiered yes you're still standing bitch yeah exactly yeah only one only one of those shows is still on the air and damn hunger hunger games and you got picked up for four four more nights three more nights a week we barely even finished the first season so you know you know what i mean listen you got you guys are still doing your thing in a major major way so what you're doing faces for radio nina faces yeah right thank you so much for doing this we appreciate it so much and we weren't here for a long time but we were here for a good time thanks for listening

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