LadyGang - Laura Wasser

Episode Date: April 30, 2019

The fashionable divorce attorney to the stars and podcast host swings by the studio to talk about her craziest experiences in the field and shares the best practices for getting your divorce over easy, as well as dispelling common myths when it comes to the legality of seperations. Follow the podcast on Instagram @theladygang and email Jac, Becca and Keltie at [e-mail]! And check out the TV show page's official page @ladygngtv!   Check out new episodes of the LadyGang TV show every Sunday at 11:00 only on E!  And thank you to today's sponsors:  Amazon = Go to Amazon.com/shop/ladygang to find their favorite products while keeping the podcast FREE! Bio-Oil = Pick up a bottle of Bio-Oil today or find a retailer near you at FindBio-Oil.com  MedMen = Experience the “New Normal” at MedMen.com  Rothy’s Shoes = Go to Rothys.com and enter LADYGANG to get your new favorite flats and free shipping   Walt Disney World = Now’s the time to find your “Happy Place” here at Walt Disney World ZipRecruiter = Go to ZipRecruiter.com/GANG to post jobs for freeSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hey guys, the following podcast is a Lady Gang Network and Podcast One production, which means it's going to be awesome. Well, what is this? Welcome to the Lady Gang. That's amazing. Say that again. The Lady Gang. Things are about to change around here.

Each week, we catch up with Hollywood's hottest girl posse, Kelty Knight, Becca Tobin, and Jack Vanek. Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to the Lady Gang. I'm Becca Tobin here with Jack Vanek and Kelty Knight. i'm like jackie ready to record and she goes i'm stuck what are you stuck on the ground i'm fine i'm alive the world i am ready let's go this is gonna be such a good episode i'm excited a lot of people are at we're asking me because we have a divorce expert um an attorney that like when i talk about my divorce but i'm saving that for our book really also you've talked about your divorce

haven't you i might have talked about but i haven't talked like deeply into it but i thought it was better to help other people than talk about me you know did your divorce get petty not petty but it got like harsh oh yeah shit there's lots to talk all the assets you had there were no assets but it was like aggressive you know what i'm sick of reading in hollywood irreconcilable i can't even say it irreconcilable differences which means what boring she cheated no it just it's like the most PC way to say divorce without saying anything juicy oh i thought that was the reason why is irreconcilable differences that's the reason why but you can also have other reasons that are juicier like he's a fucking infidelity i think yeah i mean

or like we are gonna sound even dumber dumber in a few minutes yes but before that it's time for good week yes it is bad week oh no who's first me guess what what i joined a new facebook group oh great oh god it's called the bullet journal junkies oh my god it has 9 000 people it's not boo joe it's not boo joe junkies no bullet journal junkies and boo junkies what was so funny about it is that similar to the lady gang facebook group where you have to answer three questions to get in i had to answer three bullet journal questions one of them was what kind of journal do you have like what make and model like your car what do you have do you have a like i don't really know I mean, I looked it up and then put it in, but anyway, so that's cool.

Are you guys excited for me? I'm in another Facebook group. What do you talk about in there? They give page ideas, like review pens. Oh, my God. Review pens? Yeah. I did a pen review last night on my Instagram.

Oh, my God. I got some new Crayolas. I wish I was dead. You're a peak Kelty. You know that. Okay. Bad week. So, you know, I love iced tea.

I like an unsweetened iced tea, and I was in my fridge here at work. I'd had like a big bottle for a long time and on Friday I was like oh let me just like have some of that iced tea and I'll finish up the big jug and then I'll start on my small jugs and I had the big mouth right at my eyeline and about to take a sip and there's like six different lily pads of mold oh yeah so I didn't drink it it didn't touch your lips no no it didn't touch my lips but thank god I had my eyes open because sometimes when I drink I'm like you know whoa whoa it was a crazy week jack sick af okay good week people are very um perceptive of details on my instagram stories because they have really noticed that my phone case is your face kelty i know and like i'll be

like doing a selfie in a mirror covering most of it it's maybe only the eye of you showing and i'll get dozens of messages on instagram being like is that kelty on your case oh you should tag kelty in this picture because it's just honestly you should it's up that you don't i'm just pissed you haven't asked for this phone case yet and i can't believe that's what people are noticing in your instagram stories because what i'm noticing is that you do two things what you play cornhole yep yeah and you take pictures of yourself in the mirror yeah i don't take that many pictures of myself or like a an outfit of the day shot in like a moving a boomerang a boomerang so you have two stories that i usually see yeah i don't really know how to use instagram that well

yeah but that is where people are picking out the phone case oh we should start selling her outfit of the day boomerang yeah there's like your little eyeball people are really they're really fighting for you kelsey you know what you should tag me i won't okay bad week and this isn't really like a bad bad week but there is this new documentary on netflix that i watched over the weekend called abducted in plain sight oh my god it is the craziest story i've ever seen in my entire life that never in my life have i stood up and screamed at a tv before until i saw this and i highly recommend it for anybody that loves true crime or just like a crazy story but i was screaming pissed off so badly at the parents in this movie so can you tell us why i

don't want to like ruin it they're just i mean what's it called abducted in plain sight so i'll just go watch it 70s that got abducted twice by somebody she knew twice twice in plain sight in plain sight right in front of her parents noses the parents in the movie are like absolutely fucking idiots and basically let it happen but yeah highly recommend it okay well i have like a bad week turned good week i recently went to an event our stylist natalie was really busy and it this very last minute. So I was like, it's fine. I'll figure out something to wear. Usually I can like message a brand if it's not like a crazy brand and just be like, hey, do you guys have a showroom? Who handles your stuff in LA? Blah, blah, blah. Normally I would get like a response

back. There was this one company months ago that I was like, this is such a reach for another event, but I'm just going to like send the message. Didn't hear anything back. Not surprising. So I decided I would wear this brand because I found it on sale, like a really sneaky sale because everywhere else the dress was still full price. It was very crazy. I love when you find those sales. It's amazing. So I buy the dress on sale and I'm like, listen, it's a beautiful dress.

I'm sure if I wait long enough, I can wear it again to like a wedding or something, not an event. So I wear it and I tag the brand. And normally when that happens, the brand will at least be like, you look great. You look great. Anything. Like it. Anything.

I don't expect them to post it on their Instagram. I'm not Julia Roberts. But, like, I obviously bought your dress because you didn't give it to me for free. And so, like, I'm a customer. Even if I was just, like, Joe Schmo in Michigan and wore your dress and you saw that I spent – and it's an expensive dress. So I was really pissed. And, like, days go by. Other people tag me in the dress.

Other, like – Some press. A little press. Nothing. Also, I was fuming because I went to their tagged photos and mine was not there. So I'm like, they went and untagged me from their photos. Come to find out. I did a little more research after fuming.

They don't actually have anybody – like, they have a profile where, like, only their photos are tagged, like, where you can't – Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when you see their tagged photos, only stuff they've posted. But I was, like, still really pissed. I know they know now. yeah so what i did i turned around and i sold it i sold the dress and i actually made money on it no i bought it on sale and on their stupid website it's still full price so i made money

go yourself go autumn day fucking business woman you know i was like you know what i'm not keeping this garbage gown i'm not keeping it yeah but like why are they so mean fashion people are mean They're so rude. Rude. They'll untag you. I'm supporting your brand. Maybe I'm not the person you want in your brand. But also, that brand is not.

I know what brand you wore, and it's not like anyone's wearing that brand. No, everyone's wearing the brand. I cannot wait to see what it was. Oh, really? Jennifer Aniston wore the brand recently. Natalie Portman wore the brand. Like, everybody's wearing the brand. It's the brand.

But still, it's a new. They're dicks. They're dicks. All right. On that note, we have a not dick here. Now back to the Lady Gang. Our guest today is the baddest bitch around, the most in-demand divorce attorney ever, and the founder of It's Over Easy, an online divorce service. The company seeks to provide resources to anyone going through a breakup.

And you may have heard some of her famous clients, Ryan Reynolds, Heidi Klum, Ashton Kutcher. She's looking around. She's like, who else is in the room right now? Christina Aguilera, Johnny Depp, Angelina Jolie, Kim Kardashian, Kate Walsh, Johnny Knoxville. She's also chicer than Olivia Pope and has been featured in Vogue, Porter, and Vanity Fair. And she's here with us today to make sure that when Lady Gang becomes the biggest brand in the world and our husbands leave us for younger women, that we get to keep all of our money. She's also a podcast host.

Her show Divorce Sucks with Laura Wasser on Podcast One is fabulous, and you can listen to it every single week. Please welcome to the Lady Gang. Hey, guys. Hey. We're so excited. We're so excited. As am I.

It was so fun. And so your podcast is, like, really for people going through it or people who are just really interested in this? Yes, I think both. If you're going through it, my whole gig is I want people to be educated. I don't want divorce to be so tragic and taboo from a legal and financial standpoint. It's still a bummer to be breaking up, but I really want people not to have to, like, search so much for information. And I want them to be able to get the facts and the law that they need if they're going through it. and so have you always been like this fashionable this on top of it like how did you get fabulous

yeah how did you get your outfit is amazing today by the way it is you know what somebody told me i look like punky brewster today but like the weakest punky brewster yeah so yeah i've always had a little bit of my own sense of style and of course when i was a baby lawyer that was a little bit challenging because yeah but you know what you do what you need to do so back at the in the time I would like it was like a costume like I got glasses that actually had no glass in them and I would put my hair back in a bun and I would dress like like a little lawyer so now I don't have to do that as much but um yeah I definitely still like fashion a lot and like style and like to figure out a way to make it work for me and so what was your career trajectory to being the

woman that like Angelina Jolie calls well I mean I grew up here so I had a lot of people whose parents were in the entertainment industry and then they got into the entertainment industry so i kind of had that like leg up um the father of my older son is an entertainment attorney and so he has a lot of clients that you know he they certainly don't want to have to deal with any of this like breakup relationship stuff so he and his partners send all those guys to me and a lot of it's just word of mouth a lot of it also has to do with being a younger woman you know for the past 25 years that i've been practicing most of the young entertainment people that i've represented, their business managers or entertainment attorneys don't necessarily want to send them

to like some old guy in a suit. They want to send them to somebody who's a little bit younger, calls them dude, doesn't like judge them for smoking pot, like has a tattoo also. So they were like, oh God, send them to Laura Wasser. They'll relate to her. So that was kind of how it started. And then word of mouth. When did you know that you were a famous person?

I'm not a famous person. I'm not a famous person. And I've actually really fought hard against being a famous person because right around the time when people started recognizing my name for being a lawyer that represents famous people, I was having kids. So I was like, you know, and TMZ would be there. I finally said, guys, please, I have little kids. You know, I grew up being the daughter of a divorce attorney. So I would go to like the birthday parties or the sweet 16s and I would have one parent or the other being like, oh, that's a wasser, you know. So my kids don't have my last name because they have their dad's last names.

And, yeah, like I just didn't want that to be part of their kind of growing up. They know they have a mom who works. They know that I'm a divorce lawyer. In fact, a lot of their friends who have gone through divorces at their school will talk to them about like what does it like having two homes or whatever because both of them, for whatever reason, I split with each of their dads when they were each two. That must be like my sell-by date or something like that. So they kind of – that's all they really know. And so it's really fine for them. All of the dads have good relationships.

Everybody gets along. Everybody says Thanksgiving. So these two guys can actually talk to the kids in their class if their parents are going through it and be like, look, it's really cool because we have like a PS4 at both of our houses. And, you know, you could tell your mom this and then she won't know that dad said this and whatever. So they're really good like that. But, yeah, I just I am not a famous person. I have no desire to be a famous person. I have a message that I want to get out there, but, you know, it doesn't have that much to do with my face.

And what's the like what is the mantra deciding force message? it's that it's it's the name of my book which is it doesn't have to be that way it is changing the face of divorce it is the evolution of dissolution just mixing it up a little bit because it is nasty out there yeah and and if you're paying an attorney um kind of by the problem or by the conflict then again as attorneys i say this all the time to clients that come into my law firm I'm like, the more you guys argue, the more I get paid. Yeah. I drive a Porsche.

Let's keep the arguing to a minimum. Let's figure it out. And I also know as somebody who's gone through it personally a couple times, you're better off if you're the master of your own destiny. I mean, you know what day, you know, Khloe goes to ballet. And if you were the ballet dancer in your family, you want to be there for ballet. Whereas if karate is on Thursdays, then maybe her other parents should take her to karate. Judges don't know that. Judges don't have time to care about that.

If you guys can sit down and work it out, you're so much better off. And so are your kids. What's like the poisonous, like the most poisonous thing that you can do while going through a divorce? Talking shit about your ex to your kids, to your friends, to your family. I mean, there has to be somewhere where you can vent. I'm not saying it's all like unicorns and rainbows and whatever. You should be in therapy of some kind. If you can't afford, you know, your therapist one day a week in the nice like posh office, then go to, you know, they have sliding scales.

a lot of the community colleges people that are trying to get their hours you can go to group sessions you have to have somewhere to vent you have to have somewhere to talk about it but it shouldn't be to people who are involved in in your spouse's life also which is certainly your kids but it's so hard it is really hard but you know what hard to be not petty so is so much about being a parent like again let's just focus on the parent thing if you're talking smack about your ex and your kids hear you, what they hear is, oh, she feels that way about me because I'm one half that person. And so they really take it to heart.

You have to. You have to rise above. It is hard. And I'm not saying don't be petty. Just don't be petty in front of them. And believe me, I know it's hard. I mean, I know it's hard every day. But you have to just figure out a way because you would do anything for your kids, right?

So if you're going to do anything for your kids, suck it up. Okay. So we have a pretty extensive, extensive, uh, lady gang group. Yes. And we asked, we said, I just said like a rock star is coming on. I didn't want to say that. I'll be so disappointed. No, no, no.

Half the people in the group guessed you. Oh, so, you know, I mean, you have it, you have been featured in Vogue. So people know who you are. Um, can I tell you a quick Vogue story? Yes, please. So when I got the note from Anna's people, like we'd love to have you in Vogue. I was like so excited. I was like, I've arrived.

I called my mom. My mom lives in Malibu. She's like, oh, my God, this is amazing. But what they didn't know when they sent me the email was that I was about three months pregnant with my second son. So I wrote back and I said, I'm so excited, full disclosure. And I thought for sure they'd be like, no. And I said, I'm not even showing. And I was really small with my first son.

They actually wrote back and said, you know what? We're going to wait. We'll circle back. But thank you so much. And I was like, oh, no. But to their credit, they did circle back. weirdly I was way fatter when they circled back because I just had him

like there's a picture of me from that Vogue shoot that obviously wasn't in the magazine that's me holding this little like morsel which was is my baby but they did they came back they said we're ready are you ready did you have the baby yes I had the baby I mean it was awesome interesting yeah why do you think they didn't I don't I don't know

I mean I don't know I don't know that it necessarily had to do with that I have no idea it was never explained but then when they came back and we did the shoot and then she sent me the actual magazine with like a buck slip that said, like, you looked beautiful. Good luck with the baby. I know.

Do you have it framed? No, I don't, but I have it. That's so cool. That is so cool. Okay, so these are questions from the Lady Gang, from girls. We actually have a couple things, which I think is another great thing to say for support groups if you don't have the money.

We have the Lady Gang. It goes through divorce or something like that? No, it's like the Lady Gang inspired. We're not in the groups, obviously, but we have two groups. One is Triumphs. one is for girls that are currently dealing with the split of it all and the divorce and whatever and then one of them is you go into later when you're rebuilding your life love it which we love new chapters we're all about that it's very cool so these all questions came from all those

different groups together so um they're going to be obviously i can already hear them yelling at me like how did you not know our name like anyway okay um all right first question which i love how can you protect yourself from your former spouse having your sensitive information You filed your taxes together. He has your Social Security number. Well, okay, you can't ever get that stuff back, just like, by the way, other sensitive stuff you can't get back. So be wary of that as you are taking the selfies or the sex videos or whatever else. But all of that being said, you can't take it back, but you're in it together.

So whereas he has your Social Security number and he has your tax returns, you have his too. By the way, most of that information, although not in California Social Security numbers, but in New York State Social Security numbers, are public as part of your divorce, like when you file it with the court. So again, he or she is not having that much of your personal stuff that isn't out there publicly anyway. I love that. What would you recommend having legally in place before even getting married? She says, I just got divorced and I don't want to ever go through that major hell again. So, I mean, you can do what I did. I was married for like five seconds in 1993, and I never got married again.

And I've been quite happy. I have kids. I have co-parents. I have a monogamous boyfriend that I have now had for about six years. So that's all good. You don't have to get married again. But if you do get married again, what I would say is look into a prenuptial agreement. I know that they're not sexy or romantic, but I feel like so many people get married without even knowing what the law is in their state in the first place.

They come to me, they're married 15 years, and they're like, wait, what do you mean I have to give him half of everything I made during our marriage? What do you mean I have to pay spousal support? He's, like, been sitting on the couch for five years. That's why I'm getting divorced. I'm going to be writing him a check. But think about it. That's what, if the genders were reversed, we probably wouldn't even be, like, surprised about that. If you want to protect your assets, if you want to protect your income earned during a marriage, and you want to opt out of what the law is in your state, say to the person, look, I've been married before.

I already halved my wealth once. I don't want to ever do this again. Are you cool if we either just cohabit and have kids together? Or are you cool if we have a prenup? Because I just am not down with having to agree to this statewide thing that doesn't make sense for us. What if it's your first marriage and it's just so unromantic to be like, I do love you, Dylan. Are you going to do it? Because you have your own business.

I can't imagine not doing it. And I'll tell you this. The couples that I see, even ones that are now much younger than me, that have those kind of conversations. And I do think it's easier. Like, when I was first starting out and I was watching people do it versus now, we do speak about things more. We, as women, really don't like to talk about money. I mean, we will talk about a yeast infection before we talk about money. Welcome to the lady gang.

Is that the past? Basically, yeah. We were like, I don't want to talk about taxes. But anyways. Yeah. But if you have some of those conversations with your about-to-be spouse, you will last longer. Because then, hey, toss it aside. Don't talk about it anymore.

It doesn't have to be a constant recurring theme. Put it out there. so this is what I'm thinking after we get married I may take a few months off or after I have a baby are you cool with that you know my parents are older

they may come live in our back house are you cool with that I don't really ever want to send them to a sister these things that aren't sexy or romantic if you've spoken about them and you've kind of set kind of boundaries ground rules and you know that those are

safe places to talk if you ever need to talk about them you may never need to talk about them because now you're on the same page that's very true and then it won't just be like looming in the back of your mind 20 years down the road

because you're scared to bring it up yes I'm so shocked by the friends that I have who've been married for a couple of years. Like they still don't know how much their husbands make. I think they don't know how much their mortgage is. It's weird because if he leaves or you decide to leave, like you don't know anything about your situation. Of people that have not signed prenups or have. Well, they definitely didn't sign prenups, but like it's they just are oblivious.

Like because girls don't ask questions. She's like, well, I don't want to ask. That's so nosy. I'm like, it's not. It's your life. Like what he's going to work each day and making that's half your money. Yeah. So it would be nice to know.

And again, what if he dies? What happens if he dies? We don't think about that because, you know, young. But what if he dies in a plane crash? Where is everything? What do I do? Do these people have wills? Because that's another really uncomfortable subject.

Let's go get an estate plan. Yeah. But isn't it irresponsible not to have that? Yeah. So it's the same thing with, you know. It's literally every tough conversation you don't want to have. I've had get a will for the last five years on my manifest list. I just, it's so sad.

It's so morbid. It is sad. But once you do it, then you don't have to think about it again. And the same goes for like a prenup or asking for those documents. The interesting thing is, and I'm surprised you say that about younger women. Tons of older women. Women come to me and they like could get a reservation at any restaurant in the city. They have a personal shopper at Neiman's.

They are like Mrs. The Bomb. And they're like, I'm so embarrassed to say this. I don't know what my husband earns. I don't know what we have. I don't know if I'm entitled to the house. And I'm like, okay, here's the good news. You will never be in this situation again. Because when you get divorced, there's full discovery necessary in almost every state in the U.S.

So you're going to know all that stuff. But why do you have to wait until you get divorced to find out? That's so crazy. And then just, like, cross your fingers. Am I broke? And what if it's not as much as you thought? Yeah. Have you seen a lot where women thought they were super wealthy and they're in just mounds of debt?

I'm sure. I'm sure. Well, yeah, because people could have gambling problems or just, like, not telling you how much they're making. I mean, that's worse than a divorce. Taking out a shit ton of credit cards. Like, finding that out is really worse than losing your spouse. Do I cut my losses and stay with him and hope he makes another good movie or do I get out now while I'm still young? Oh, that's terrifying.

I recently had a situation a couple of years ago and I've talked about on the podcast before. Oh, I can't believe I just said that because I got after Jack for saying that. But and then this was a question that people asked, you know, they said, how do we get the courts to believe there's abuse and protect our children in custody agreements? how i.e how knowledgeable are the courts about narcissistic abuse um so i had a friend whose husband was videotaping her uh like yelling at her kids and it was like she had laryngitis and so it looked so much worse than it was but she sounded like a monster because she's like and then he held it over her head in the divorce and was like i'm going to show them that you're abusive parent she's literally like a teddy bear like could not be farther from the truth but

I think a lot of times, especially in Hollywood, we do see these people be able to change the narrative of what's actually going on. And so do the courts know what the truth is? The courts may not know what the truth is, but the courts will always endeavor to find somebody who does. So it's very rare that a piece of evidence like that would come in front of a judge and he or she would go, oh, well, that's a monster and I'm going to take her kids away. It usually would be that that judicial officer would say, look, I don't know, But I'm going to have somebody do an evaluation. And so then the kids would meet with a mental health professional.

Mom would meet with a mental health professional. Dad would meet with a mental health professional. And then usually some of those narcissistic, abusive traits come out. And they're talking to the dad and going, wow, you're kind of a douche. And to the mom, oh, you actually are not that bad at all. I'm sorry you had laryngitis. We all yell at our kids sometimes. Who knows?

Then they write a report and they take it back to the judge. And so then the judge can make a more informed decision. And also it obviates the needs for the kids to have to go into court like we saw like in movies when we were little. Kids don't go to court. The evaluator talks to the kids. This is a mental health professional who knows how to talk to the kids and make the kids feel comfortable talking to him or her. And then that person writes the report to the judge. And what should someone do?

I mean the friend of mine, I ended up helping her with her legal bills. But when you just don't have the money, you don't have the money to find a you and you don't know what to do. And this person is holding this over your head and you're scared you're going to lose your kids. Right. I think a lot of that has to do with education. That's why I want whoever would ask that question to be listening to your podcast and go, really, did you really take that video? First of all, you can't use a video like that that she didn't know was being recorded as evidence in court. Now, again, it could go to the evaluator.

But before you would ever, ever let yourself be in a situation to be in court, you would say to a judge, well, can I get an evaluation? Can you please help me out with this? And the judge generally will. They will err on the side of caution, but they will also err on the side of caution for themselves to make sure they're making informed decisions. So now anybody listening to the podcast knows that. At AdaptoVereasy, we have a ton of content. We have all kinds of articles about this. We have a user question thing so people can write in and ask.

That's what we're all about so that people that don't have the money to hire a me can get the kind of access that they need to this information. That's amazing that you're doing that. It's really great. And it's time. Kind of sad. I mean, it's sad but, like, also good. But, like, women need to, I feel like, empower themselves with information. And I think that so many of my friends who've gone through divorces from assholes, they steamroll you.

Men really know how to, like, scare tactics and threats. And, like, they sound like they know everything and the absolute, like, end all, be all. But that's not the case. Like, you just have to do a little bit of work to find out. Yeah, you have to do a little bit of work. You have to get in. We are. We abdicate the financial responsibility.

We let them be, like, the dudes, whatever. If this is something you're going through, you really have to pull it together. for your kids if not just for yourself and figure out a way to kind of rise to the occasion because you can do it you will do it and I'll tell you something the men are scared too. The men always get really scared that they're not going to get their kids

that they're going to have all their money taken away from them a lot of times we just exhibit our fright in different ways so they like get all big and pound their chest and whatever and we figure out some other way of doing it not saying we should pound our chest but knowledge is power. Get that information I love this question

Should I have a secret savings from my husband? How do I hide money? Ooh, that is a good question. I have a friend who literally, and she's been married, I think, like, almost 25 years now. But she told me one time that every morning when her husband was in the shower, she would run down the street. They lived in the Palisades. She'd run down the street to the Versateller, and she would take out, like, the max, which was $200 every morning just so that she had, like, the secret stash. And I'm like, what are you talking about?

He makes so much money. He shares everything with you. She's like, I just needed to know I have it. Damn. It's very hard to hide money. Are they still together? They are still together. She must have a shill of money.

Does she still do it? I don't know. I haven't talked to her about it in a while. Did he not notice? He didn't notice. He's rich. He's on the Palisades. Every morning, a $200.

Maybe it's not every, but it's probably a few times a week. And she wasn't using it. She was writing, who uses that much cash on a daily basis unless you have a cocaine problem? I don't know. Anyway, so yes, it wouldn't be a bad idea to have some money or at least a credit card. What happens a lot of times is somebody will cancel all your credit cards and then you're like, oh, my God, that's very easy to go into court and get turned back on. Judges do not like that. They see it as a power play. It's super uncool. So it doesn't happen as much anymore because it starts out the whole case with somebody being an asshole.

But it's never a bad idea to have one at least one credit card that is in your own name. Also, you can be married for 25 years to the richest guy ever, but nothing's in your name. So you have no credit established. And so now all of a sudden you're not Mrs. So-and-so anymore. So have a credit card in your own name, continue to put stuff on it, continue to grow that credit. That's really important. And if you needed to, you could take out some money on it, too, in case something terrible happened and you didn't have any access to it.

Hiding money, not the greatest idea, because if you get divorced, you're going to have to disclose everything. So you're going to have to disclose if you have a safe deposit box, if you have, you know, $2,000 in your safe, whatever. If you've been taking that all along, you're going to have to split that with him. So it's really, really hard to hide money. And by the way, it's hard for him to hide money, too, because especially these days with electronics, we can see everything.

If all of a sudden we look at your assets and you have only X amount of dollars, then we go and we look back and we see when it was being transferred out and what happened to it. You're like, oh, this seems suspect. Six months ago, you put $4 million away. That's how people find out about affairs, too. You start looking and you're going, well, wait, why is there $5,000

every month going to an apartment that's in West Hollywood? Who's that? So you see that stuff. Everything is discoverable. But I really do think it's important for a myriad of reasons, like I just to have your own credit card so that you can get cash if you need it. So even if someone cheats, and we live in California where it's 50-50,

so like if my husband runs off and cheats on me, like he's still going to get 50% of my money. Yes. Wait, and this is just what the law is obviously without a prenup. Without a prenup. So if you do nothing. If you do nothing, then it's 50-50. And California is a no-fault state, meaning you don't get to say,

well, but he cheated on me, so I should get more. Or I should have to pay him less. No. Yes, and believe me, there's a lot of guys that say that, too. Like, she was totally sleeping with our kid's tennis instructor, and I'm giving her half of everything so this guy can come live in my house now, and I'm paying for him, too. So you could, like, sabotage a relationship, just skip 50%, basically. Yes, but why would you do that? I mean, you already have 50%.

You're just dividing up what's already yours. Right. Yes, but the other thing to know, as you asked about prenups, you cannot put in a prenuptial agreement. It will not be enforceable. If you cheat on me, I get more. That's not okay. No. Oh, I thought you could.

I thought you could do whatever you wanted. You can if you agree to it. But then if somebody goes, yeah, I'm not going to go with that, it's not enforceable. That kind of behavior stuff. Even people that have put in prenuptial agreements, if he's been in rehab and he's been sober for five years, but if he does drugs again, I get more. No. Can't put that in. It's not enforceable.

What about when people are like, oh, if we stay married five years, I get this much, ten years, this much? Those are called sunset provisions or after ten years, the entire prenup goes away and she gets half of everything. People do them. Our firm doesn't. I think sometimes what happens is that judges find them to be promotive of divorce, meaning, oh, well, now after the 10 years, I'm out. So we try to do stuff in prenups that will make them be enforceable. And something that's promotive of divorce, not always enforceable.

Isn't this so interesting? I said, I'm like, we have so many questions. Okay. Millions. If he dies, why do I absorb his debt or do I absorb his debt? You absorb his debt if it's community. So if it was incurred during the marriage, you will absorb it. You'll also absorb everything that was half his unless you had a prenup saying that there is no community, meaning you wouldn't absorb his debt either.

So that's another thing to think about. If you go into the marriage and one of you has a lot of debt, that would be a good thing to say, well, I'm not really taking half of that and I don't want that debt paid off. Why do you? Because creditors would rather come after you than not get paid? Yeah. So wait, if I do a will, can I say, I will leave everything, but I'm not taking his debt if he dies? No.

That would be in his will. And then it would say, I don't want her to have to absorb my debt, so I'm going to pay it with this. This. Oh. We still have to pay it. You have to make a different deal with the people that you can't have the debt. Okay.

How does a common law marriage work in terms of splitting assets? You're so excited. There's no such thing as common law marriage in California. People are like, well, I lived together with him for 15 years. audience okay i don't know the states that recognize common law marriage most don't anymore okay um when you have a palimony case or a marvin case that is common law marriage we live together for this long and therefore that's not a family law matter that's actually a civil suit it's a contract and what it means is we had an implied contract the implication was that we lived

together and you supported me and you were going to take care of me and what you earned was half mine or you told me this it just never got written down anywhere most of the time those cases never see the inside of a courtroom because judicial officers will go why don't you just get married then if that was what you believed right so again that happened much more in the past not as much anymore happened a lot with same-sex couples because the same-sex couples would say we would have gotten married we had a ceremony we were rings whatever else but now that same-sex couples can get married judges are like so why don't you get married right so those don't happen as much there anymore either so if you're living with somebody and you think you're married or in a

common law marriage just get married okay um what about prenups like what how far do you have can i take a piece of paper out of my computer and say you get 25 and sign it and that's good or does it need to be like filed or no there's very very very strict laws you must both have attorneys because a will you can just write right you can do a holographic will i think you need a witness or something for that. But for prenups, and this is why it's over easy, hasn't started doing prenups yet, I think I found a fix for this

so we might be able to start doing prenups, is you both need attorneys to sign off on them. Also, both people need to be able to read and speak English so they need to know what they're signing and there needs to be full disclosure. So you can't just say you only get 25%. You have to say, here's what I have because the person might go,

why are you only giving me 25%? You already have this in addition to what you're going to make. So there's disclosure requirements, there's legal requirements for having legal counsel, And then there's also a bunch of things like they knew what they were signing. They understood what they were signing. They weren't under duress.

Don't sign your prenup the night before you get married because then you can go, oh, I was under duress. My whole family was here. My mother came out from wherever. The dress was fitted already. So there has to be certain timing requirements too so that it's not the eve of on the back of a cocktail napkin when you just really want to dive into the marriage. Most important question you're going to get today. We are on our way to superstardom. The Lady Gang is wildly successful

With our television show now And we're going to make so much money And Becca and I are married Jax, help me In love Should we do postnups? If they will agree to them You can do postnups

Did neither of you guys sign one? I don't have a prenup, do you? So you can do them I also had like $4 Yeah, we were in very equal financial positions So let me ask you this And you don't have to answer But if you guys went to your husbands today and said, so, thinking about the post-nup, wouldn't they be like, are you kidding me?

I've been home waiting for you. I've been, you know, I've been supporting you. What's yours is half mine. Or would they go, I absolutely support you in this endeavor. Let's sign the post-nup. I think it would depend on how I shaped it, like how I presented it. Maybe like, are you leaving me? Like, this seems crazy.

Yes. It's like when. I'm not leaving you now, but when I'm really rich. When I'm ready. Yeah, when I'm actually rich. But here's the thing. I don't, like, I don't see my husband, I feel like I know him pretty well, but I'm sure you hear this all the time, like, he has so much pride, there's no world.

If I wanted to leave, he'd be like, take all your shit. Like, that's the man that I married. Have you seen people say that? I feel like everybody says that about their husbands. She's giggling. I don't know, though. Like, he's very, like, I mean. Are you sure he wouldn't be like, look, this is the law.

I'm entitled to half of this. No, he's such. But don't people turn into dicks when they get divorced too and like bring the f***ing claws out? Sometimes they do. But don't you have those like red flags leading up to it? Like greedier people or like people who are like very insistent on like going half or keeping score?

Sometimes, but sometimes not so much. And also, if somebody cheats, then it's a game changer. Because now I don't know you anymore, so you don't know me anymore either. It's very difficult to say. And so, again, I don't love postmaps because I always feel like people are like, well, why would I sign it now? Like, we're already married. Seems fishy. And sometimes that really does start to look like pre-negotiating your divorce.

But if it is something – and remember, in California and most states, too, anything that you inherit is going to be your separate property no matter when you inherit it. Anything that's gifted to you and anything you bring into the marriage. So those things are fair anyway. So now to say, and I've had a measure of success during our marriage and I don't want to share that with you, I don't know. That may not be something that they're so down with. But you're literally going to be calling you the next week because it's about to break you up. But I do feel like it is fair, like, if we were to get divorced, like, to give our – if we did make a shit ton of money, like, to give our husbands half. I mean, they were there the whole ride.

They supported us. They, like – Let us talk about their penises on television. Yeah, let us totally talk about – exploit the fuck out of our marriages. Well, then also you think about it the other way, like, if the genders were reversed. I would want the same, you know? Like, so, I do kind of, like, the greediness is a lot. Like, I don't know if, I think that people are entitled.

Like, women who stay at home and raise families, like, if you get divorced and your husband's a bajillionaire, you should get half. Like, Bezos, right? As long as they're not sitting, like, on their ass playing video games or some shit. No, like, her, if a woman's raising the family and has no choice, like, can't be working. Like, I don't like that. Do you see that a lot, where men are like, she, this is my money? I see it a lot, but I do think most of the time when people come to me, they at least have an idea of what's going to happen.

What I see a lot in these high wealth cases is they say, she did not raise our kids. A nanny raised our kids. And by the way, women say this too. Like, oh, he was a stay-at-home dad. He stayed home and he was a dad, but he wasn't taking care of my kids because I still had to be the one that arranged for the nanny, that arranged for the school lunches, that arranged for the planet. And I'm working my ass off. So no, I don't feel like giving him half. And often the men say that, too.

If she raised my kids, why do I have a nanny, a chef, a driver, a babysitter for the weekend? She's not raising my kids. So we have that a lot, too. Yeah, exactly. Which is so valid. It is valid. But you also supported her doing that. Yeah.

I say all the time, you created this monster. Yeah, that's so true. You don't like your marital lifestyle and you don't like having to pay support to continue that lifestyle. Shouldn't have had it. Cancel the nanny. You're paying for it. well what happens with a celebrity we see this a lot like obviously celebrity life goes hot and then not like you're the schmutzva of the town and you're winning whatever you're winning and

you're all fine and then 10 years later you're on your ass and like you're still paying what's your face thirty five thousand dollars a month and like you truly cannot afford that anymore then you go back and you modify your support you show the court these are the jobs i've had over the past however many years this is how much money i have i'm not able to afford it and by the way same thing happens for not a celebrity if you're a hedge fund guy and all of a sudden your hedge fund goes belly up yeah same type of a thing yeah that is why look even look at it with musicians we represent a lot of musicians in a year where you're writing an album you don't really make any money but in a year where you're touring you make a shitload of money so we average

somewhere between three and five years to figure out what somebody's income actually is your wife's not going to stay home or your husband and not go buy or not go travel or not you know go to lunch when you're in the writing year you're spending the money from the year before yeah so the lifestyle pretty much stays constant but the money goes up and down particularly in in the entertainment industry right and then isn't that so embarrassing because does that all become public yes unless you can negotiate it so that's what i always say look you're not doing as well now he or she's clearly aware of that you're around more you're spending more time with your kids because you're either not touring or you're not on location yeah so let's go back

and talk to them and rather than spending another $100,000 on me and the other lawyer let's talk about how to keep that money in the family so we can pay for a couple years of school tuition for your kids and just reduce the amount. Right. Because ultimately it's going to happen. Right. But then people are so nasty that they're just like

they can't even get off their high horse sometimes. Sometimes and you know sometimes they're like I get it I understand. I mean that's why I always also say to people like if you're going to get divorced from somebody with whom you have kids this isn't like a slip and fall in a market or a fender bender or a landlord tenant thing where you're never going to see the person again you're going to see this person you better be on the same page with them working

with them whether it's anything from hey i have to do the lady gang podcast tonight from six to seven can you stay with the kids till i get back like can you help me out here to like big time hey i'm not making as much money as i was can we reduce it by about five grand a month would that be okay at least until i'm making some more maybe right what what's the craziest like so we see this thing where it's like so and so she needs 35 000 a month to maintain her lifestyle like what's the craziest amount of money that you've oh my god well it's interesting because we always laugh at that i'm like how do you spend that i've had my salary fancy you're a fancy lawyer in beverly hills and you have fancy fancy clients but like for me being on et sometimes when i'm talking to

like girl in the middle of america who's like making thirty five thousand dollars a year a year they're unreal gagging when it's like she needs a hundred and fifty thousand dollars a month and You couldn't possibly survive on less. I mean, you start to go down the list of what it is that gets spent, even on face cream. And you're like, okay, now that it adds up, I understand it. Oh, my God. The craziest one, more than the adults, is the kids. California has the highest guideline child support numbers in the country.

And so you have – and the children are supposed to be able to live a lifestyle commensurate with their wealthiest parent. So you actually have baby mamas coming in and saying, well, of course he should be wearing Dolce & Gabbana tennis shoes, and of course there should be no less than the Louis Vuitton diaper bag, and that's how much this costs. And we have to fly private, and we need to be in an Escalade that has a car seat, and I mean all of this kind of stuff. What is a reasonable need?

Is that good for kids to have that much money? If they don't have that much money when they're living with mom, but then they go to dad's and they have that, is that fair? Or they're never going to want to go back to mom's because she's in a one-bedroom apartment on Van Nuys. So those are the kind of things that we have to deal with and figure out what makes the most sense. But those are the crazy ones.

That is insane. Crazy. I mean, look at some of the birthday parties that you read about for these kids. Yes, for the celebrity kids. Well, now I understand why so many women get pregnant. In California. Yeah.

They can't money. Because I'm always like, who cares? Like, yeah, like, child support, but, like, no, it's the whole life. Big, big, big. Well, it's until they're 18 here. And again, then you've got a kid that's been raised with this. Now, do you just cut them off? Because you love them.

They're still your kid, even if you don't maybe love their mother. It's the long con. I mean, listen. The long game. Kanye West said it. But what happens to the mom after the 18th? Now the money's going to the kid. I mean, this is her lifestyle.

Right. Shit. It's God. She's got to get a job. It's going to be hard for her, being a barista. Poor thing. Welcome to the rest of the world. Welcome to us.

Oh, we have seven jobs. Okay. This has been so amazing. I do hope that you will come back again because we have so many more questions that we didn't get to. But right now, we are going to take a break. And when we come back, we're going to do our Ask the Lady Gang questions. And they're really, really juicy. Hey, ladies.

Funky. Ask the Lady Gang. Okay. And we're back. So we have specific questions that our Lady Gangers have written us in that they need desperate advice for. Okay. And you've catered these to her, right? A little bit, yeah.

Okay, cool. Like relationships, scammers. What do I do? Wait, we didn't ask the one question. When you go to your friend's weddings, do you know who's going to end up getting divorced? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Really?

You can't, like, pick out red flags? I can't. I mean, I sometimes can pick out a red flag or two, but honestly, I have to say I've been to weddings where I'm like, I don't think this is going to work at all, and they're still married. And then I've been to the ones where I'm like, this is so f***ing perfect, and they split up. So you never know what happens behind closed doors.

Yeah, that's true. 25 years in, I have no idea. Yeah, I want people to be happy. I love going to weddings, but I really, I'm not a good predictor. Damn. Do all your friends ask you advice, though, when they're getting married? Yes. God, you're like the best friend to have.

Seriously. Okay. Or the worst. I really did want to ask you a lot more celebrity questions, but I'm assuming you can't say anything about any of your celebrities. Like all the NDAs. That is true. Yeah.

Okay. Can you tell us the craziest story without who it is? Let me think about it while we're doing the Lady in Customs, because there's a lot of crazy ones. Oh, I'm sure. I know. It's just so juicy. All the dirt.

Okay. When you retire – I was just going to ask. Are you going to write a book? They will die with me. They will die with you? It will go to my grave. Yeah, I'm not going to write a book.

I wouldn't do that. A lot of these people are really in pain, and I wouldn't do that to them. I mean, that's like the most exploitive thing in the entire world. I wouldn't do that. I'm definitely writing a book about you, Jake Gyllenhaal. Yeah, but like you interview people like on a red carpet at the peak of their career. She is seeing people in their most vulnerable stages. Yeah, it's different.

You're right. and heard about all of their like sexual dysfunctions it's really yeah that's fun oh my god how fun well because in Hollywood and I mean this with love there are a lot of marriages where one or two of the people in the marriage are not straight and they're not I didn't even mean like that

oh I meant like diapers and clown shoes and shit oh my god that's what I want to know that's what I want to know me too god out of that I don't give a shit about any of that money no like who has the weirdest fetish yep okay on that note ask lady gang questions all right first one says she said clown shoes and diapers

i'm not even gonna sleep i'm not even gonna sleep tonight oh my god adult baby okay she's first question says i've been teaching middle school for five years and i've realized slowly but surely that i hate kids i cannot reprimand another 13 year old for a phallic drawing again i currently teach german and have a degree in education german and teaching esl i've applied for thousands of jobs but can't seem to get anyone to look at my resume because of my lack of relevant experience i've done coding and design classes and i work a second job in sales for more experience and other fields to make myself more marketable however the response i get from most of the employers is that my background isn't what they're looking for even though i'm applying

for entry level positions help me i can't afford to go back to school but let me say that i feel your pain because i have a 13 year old There are a lot of penis pictures. There is vaping. Vaping? There is grounding and there is eye rolling, so I get it. He doesn't take German, thankfully. But, yeah, illicit vaping.

Like, I'm not, like, cool with it, but we did find, yeah. I can't believe kids are 13. Oh, 13, eighth grade. Yeah, that's middle school. Coding. Coding, coding, coding. That's the one thing I heard. Everything else was like, wah, wah, wah, wah.

I hate kids. Wah, wah, wah. Coding. get in on that. If this is a woman, she should be going after the coding jobs. I know running a tech company, it is so hard to find women who code. It is so hard to find women who are able to like speak English and certainly German and also code. Go after that tech. It is necessary. Go on AngelList, go on some of the tech websites and find someone that will hire you as a coder because that is where you're, I mean, and if you need to do a couple more classes on that, you should.

i really like that definitive advice i mean i'm just gonna like drop the period there i was gonna be like girl intern but i'm not anymore i'm an idiot i'm literally wearing a diaper and clown shoes right now she can't afford to go back to school she definitely can't intern for free yeah i know i don't know dude i was gonna be like maybe update your resume with a photo i'm an idiot that's why we're us and you're this like do a new photo shoot have a few glasses of wine to like loosen up loosen up take a cute photo have your friend look at your cover letter and spice it up find a cute guy that's hiring those are good things too and then and then coat no that is very smart okay all right okay i'm in my early 30s and my husband

and i separated just under two years ago there wasn't one situation that sparked the split but we are constantly fighting our interests and goals in life started to grow apart and support from him turned to resentment when I began to grow in my career, which was the most hurtful and frustrating thing. We've been living separately for almost two years now. We've cut most ties, but every now and then he will message me asking to meet for coffee or wanting an explanation, which turns into the same conversation we've had a hundred times over or even more frequently when he's obviously been out drinking for the night. The problem is he's all over the place. One minute telling me he misses me, the next telling me I've ruined his life and that I'm a horrible person

or saying things like i know what you did don't play dumb it's like he's reaching to get me to confess to something when there's nothing to confess to he was always a bit of a manipulator i know it's impacted his life and i don't want to hurt him more but how do i get this to stop it's over right i think it's over and i think every time he does that she probably is driven a little bit further away yeah um you know sometimes exes need to be and i hate this analogy but it's true like they need to be trained like dogs and if every time he calls or texts then you kind of come running then it becomes pavlovian because he expects that so maybe you say we've had this conversation i'm here for you if you want to talk about something else but this has gotten

boring and it's starting to make me resent you i'd like us to be able to be friends but maybe just not responding not going for coffee you're doing it because you're a nice person and you don't want to have any bad blood with your ex but maybe it's time to cut the cord also doesn't say anywhere in that question that they're actually divorced maybe he still thinks there's hope because they've only been separated it's over easy.com good yeah go to my website yeah i mean you just have to decide like do you want to get off the pot like you've been separated long enough i know that in even in canada where i'm from i think i believe in manitoba anywhere where we had this divorce you have to be separated for a year before they'll even let you sign the paperwork to divorce or

whatever and so um it's like a mandatory separation with a mediator it's like different rules but anyway i think two years is enough yeah you know what i mean two years is enough to know they're just like sitting in limbo it seems like it's too hard yeah he's acting like a boy coming back into her life like every whenever he's drinking yeah what is that doing for you is you up serving you you up nothing worse than getting that from your husband right you that you're separated from yeah you up okay last question comes from jane doe she says i recently started dating a guy and i found out that he is still technically married to his ex-wife they have a daughter together and according to him he hasn't filed for divorce because he doesn't want to rock the boat their custody and

child support situation is good right now and he's afraid of pissing her off by filing they've been separated for two years we aren't serious right now but i feel like it's headed in that direction and i'm uncomfortable with him still being married to his ex is this a red flag not necessarily i don't think so i mean again two years to be separated if you've got a kid if they're dating unless she feels like there's some reason beyond what he's telling her like he still holds a candle for this wife but you know a lot of people are separated and for whatever reason they just don't go through with it it can be too expensive to get divorced he doesn't want to rock the boat a certain period of time with a custody schedule in place creates a status quo

so if he's got that under his belt for a while and then decides to file and she goes oh you're not seeing our kid he'll be like I've been seeing our kid regularly you know half the time for two years I'd wait till you get a little more serious and then raise it I don't necessarily think it's a terrible thing that they've just been separated and I don't know that it's your place to mention it yet I don't know that it should be a red flag just now it's having a good relationship with your ex particularly if you have got a kid with her I think that's more important than actually like cutting that cord in this scenario yeah I feel like I mean I know nothing so but I think it It seems like if the kids and everything is good, then maybe he's right to not rock the boat.

And if he's not serious with you, then he's got no reason to have a divorce. I wonder if she's met the kids. That would be an interesting thing to think. Like, don't judge how serious you are, Jane Doe, with your boyfriend by what he's doing with his ex. Judge by what he's doing with you. Damn. That's really good. Okay.

Itsovereasy.com. You can listen to the podcast every Wednesday. I think it drops on Mondays. Divorce sucks. Oh, this is amazing. Yes. So Mondays you can listen to Divorce. What a great way to start off your week, though.

Yeah, you're going through some shit. Fresh new week. Tuesday, Lady Gang. Wednesday, just be sad. Thursday, more Lady Gang. And then it's going to be Monday again. There you go. More Divorce.

Will you please come back? I would love to come back. Did you think of your craziest story? Oh, yeah. Besides diapers and clown shoes? Besides the diapers and clown shoes? That's pretty crazy to me. I mean, this isn't...

I hate to end on a negative note. Well, there's two crazy stories. One is one couple, we went through the entire divorce, totally divorced, paperwork done, everything. For whatever reason, we had to go downtown, which doesn't happen anymore, to get what's called a prove-up. So they had to both say, yes, I understand. I signed this, da-da-da. And so we – he was a musician. We went downtown.

He was my client. I get there. He's not there. He texted me that morning, so I knew he was up. It wasn't like he'd overslept. The other guy that I was working with, his client wasn't there either, but we were waiting for them. And the judge is like, what's happening? Let's go.

Let's go. Let's go. Finally, they like walk in totally disheveled. Oh, no. They've totally had sex in the car at the courthouse parking lot. Oh, my God. Wait. And I was like, so what does that mean?

You know? And my guy goes, we've reconciled. And she goes, let's go. And they were like, wait, what? He totally misunderstood what that all meant. Wait, she still wanted to go through with it. Yes. She was like, one last for the road.

And he was like, oh, I'm so glad we're getting back together. This is the best thing I've ever done in my life. So I was like, okay, whoa, just hold on a second. Let's take a break. They ended up getting divorced. They probably still get together sometimes. I don't know. But I had to take him in the other room and be like, dude.

And he's like, I don't know what happened. I thought, anyway, but that was that moment of like them walking in and us being like, okay. And I actually thought, okay, good. They're going to get back together because he said it. And I thought he was kind of more in control. And she was like, what do you mean? Let's go.

Oh my God. That's definitely like amazing TV moment. Yes. maybe we need to do like a scripted show they've asked me like ripped from the headlines if I had like one more day in the week but yeah

with all your free time it's too much okay thank you so much for listening we're so sorry to everyone that's going out that's like I really needed this podcast because that means you're in a hard part but just take it from me the lady gang divorcee everything's gonna be fine and there's a second marriage

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