LadyGang - LG Quickie: Lazy Girl Hacks with Liz Moody

Episode Date: March 5, 2026

The LadyGang is joined by Liz Moody (host of The Liz Moody Podcast and bestselling author), aka the internet’s big sister for getting your shit together without toxic positivity. Liz serves up “lazy girl” hacks that actually work: how to define your bare minimum habits (so you don’t quit), why we’re all exhausted, and how scrolling is fake rest. She breaks down the power of recurring plans to build real friendships, explains why our dopamine is wrecked, and shares the seven types of rest you might be missing—plus why Trader Joe’s can feel like a nervous system assault.We have deals for YOU!!Tonal: Get stronger with Tonal! Get $200 off your purchase with code LADY at Tonal.comProgressive: Need car insurance? Head to Progressive.com to see how much you can save!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Without our favorite foods, we'd miss out on all our favorite moments. Learn more at canadasfoodsystem.ca. Podcast One presents The Lady Gang, The Hollywood Girl Posse. With Lady Gang Quickie, here's Kelty Knight, Becca Tobin, and Jack Vanek. Let's make this quick. Hello, hello, hello. This is Kelty Knight. In typical Lady Gang fashion, Becca Tobin's computer won't turn on, so she's going to be joining us in a little bit. But I'm going to do our introduction because I'm very excited about today's episode. It's really a

girl after my own heart. If you have ever tried to fix your life with a green juice, a new planner, and a 6 a.m. routine only to spiral, today's guest is for you. She is so lovely. She's the host of the Liz Moody podcast. She's a bestselling author and basically the internet's big sister for getting your shit together without pretending that life has to be perfect. She's built a career breaking down the science of happiness, relationships, mental health, and what actually works to make you feel good, not just look good. And she's interviewed all kinds of top experts, testing the habits, asked uncomfortable questions that all of us are secretly asking chat at 2 a.m. And so today we're diving into why are we all exhausted? Why is burnout the new normal?

Why are we over-optimizing our lives? What actually makes us happy? If you're ready for smarter self-help with zero toxic positivity. Let's please welcome to the lady gang, Liz Moody. Woohoo! Did you guys write that intro or did that come from us? Because that's like my dream intro. That was perfect. No, I wrote it. That's amazing. That's culty night for you. I'm known for my writing. I mean, my intros. I feel very seen and I appreciate it. So I want to tell you guys about Liz's podcast before she gets into our Lazy Girl life hacks. I met Liz through this podcasting group that I'm a part of. And she, in addition to doing the 1000 things she does, she like runs this group for us. And I, we recently had a dinner

and after the dinner, I made a promise to myself, I was going to go back and revisit. I knew so many of these podcasters and I'd listened to your podcast before, but I was like, I want to go back and support the girls that were at this dinner and re-listen to one episode of each one of these podcasters. And I ended up, I was in New York and I was listening to an episode of Liz's podcast and she was talking about small talk, which I hate. I literally, and I was in the middle of fashion week and I was like, everywhere I go, people are like, who are you and what do you do? And I was like, I, this is why I don't leave my house. Cause I don't want to like, if you don't know me, if you don't know, you don't get to know, you know what I mean? And Liz had this

revolutionary advice on her podcast. It is such a good episode. I will link it in our newsletter this week where she says, walk up to everyone and say, what's one thing you're like super excited about right now? Like, what are you really excited about right now? And I did it for all of fashion week. I've never bonded more with strangers, got more interesting Intel that I can use for my own success and like was more inspired. It was crazy good. Like what you're doing on your podcast is such good everyday girly hacks. I just think you're brilliant. So then I said to Liz, Hey, I want to have you on lady gang. And she's like, well, what do you want me to talk about? And she goes, she said to me, what about like lazy ways to enhance your life? And I was like, honestly,

Jack Vanek, Beck Tobin, like we are done. I was like done. So Liz, why are you so smart and how can we be lazy and also have a good life? Wait. Okay. So first of all, I want to say I love the small talk episode and I'm so glad that it helped you because that's so close to my heart. I hate small talk as well. I like to go in and be like, what's your biggest fear? And like, what do you think the meaning of life is. There's one other tip from that episode that I use all of the time. So I just want to share it if you guys are okay with it. Yeah. Yeah. Um, this is, so I read, I love reading history books. They helped me make sense of like the modern world and they make me feel honestly a lot better about the times, the unprecedented times that are in fact, very,

very precedented that we are living in. Um, and I was reading this book about Victorian life and it said that it was just like a little aside, but it was like Victorian ladies essentially came to dinner parties armed with conversational topics that was considered part of their duties as these like upper class Victorian ladies. And I was like, oh, I could be like a Victorian lady. So whenever I'm putting myself in an environment like a party or a dinner or a new event, I always have like a podcast that I listen to or a book that I listen to. And I've already framed it into a question in my head of like, oh, what do you think about this topic? I was just listening to a podcast about this. And it's so helpful for me because it takes away that anxious, fluttery

feeling of what if the conversation runs dry? I'm like, oh, well, what about this? What do you think about this? So be like a Victorian lady is my other, not in many ways, but in that one particular way is my other favorite tip from that episode. That's so smart. That's so smart. Because I feel like especially people that are introverted and like dread going out and like get so anxious when they're around new people. It's like you wouldn't think that that'd be like it seems kind of like a cheat in a way, but it could cheat. But everybody wants like everybody doesn't want to talk about the weather. You know what I mean? Everybody else wants to have a good conversation, too. So they are just like, thank God you brought up something interesting and you can just and it doesn't have

to be a serious topic. Like recently, I've had America's Next Top Model documentary in my pocket and I bring that up and everybody's dying to talk about it. And you can talk about beauty standards and how we've shipped the cultural conversation over the years, it can lead to really interesting stuff. And this also helps me because I have two main ways that I go into life, which is either it's about me and I'm a narcissist.

So I'm expecting that I'm like standing there. I'm like, hi, like ask me about me because that's like my favorite topic. So that's like number one. And number two is I go way too deep too fast. Like there was this time, I've talked about this on the podcast, but I was in Dubai

and I was with Ellen Pompeo at the Beyonce concert. And like, I never met Ellen Pompeo, but I've like been a fan forever. And I had spent a lot of time with her husband because he's also in the music business alongside my husband. And like, I'm meeting Ellen Pompeo in like the lobby of this ritzy hotel for the first time.

And I was like, hey, I'm Kelty. And I was like, why do you think you guys have been together so long? Like you've never got divorced. That was the first question that I asked Ellen Pompeo. That is an interview question. Which is like- Wait, what did she, how did she respond?

Because I feel like I would love that. she honestly she wasn't mad she was very cool she was just like you know I think you just learn to like build a life like she she did it but also like she's a really famous person so I think it was like very alarming I think a regular normal person at a party would be like whatever but like I'm asking like Meredith Gray like her relation in Dubai we're all in like a weird and then I like also was on the I saw her on the plane I thought we were already friends because I touched her like cashmere wrap she was wrapped in. And I was like, we're all in like the fancy Emirates business class. I was like, yeah, we're the same, but like, we're not the same. Anyway. Okay. So

lazy life hacks. Lazy life hacks. Yeah. I want to be lazy, but I want to juice that lemon. So this is kind of what my entire brand is about, which is we should not do things just for the sake of doing things. Like nobody's going to give you an award for having the best morning routine. The point of a morning routine is to set yourself up for the day that you want to have the way that you want to feel that day. Every single thing that you include in your life should have some sort of why associated with it. And that feels obvious, but it's so easy to forget when we're scrolling on Instagram and listening to podcasts. And you're like, well, if that person's doing this thing, and they look like that on Instagram, then I should be doing it too. So I think that

a lot of what I'm trying to do is help people suss out what are the things that are going to actually move the needle in their lives? And what are the things that maybe they're spending time on that aren't actually having the impact that they want to have? Like mouth tape. I don't need a morning shed. I don't need a morning shed. I'm going to take out my adult retainer and then I'm going to piece the mouth tape is largely used as a diagnostic tool. If you actually talk to dentists and airway specialists about it so that you put it on and if you can breathe and like sleep through the night with it on, then you usually you're like, oh, okay, your airway is working while you're able to breathe through your nose, et cetera, et cetera. Using it every single

night, it can be helpful, but a lot of people are forcing themselves to use it when actually their body's like, my airway isn't open in this way. And that can be actually dangerous. You're like, I'm not getting oxygen. Becca has just joined. She's on her phone, her computer turned on. Liz is here and we're just, we're just starting to talk about lazy girl life hacks because we can't do it all. Okay. So I said mouth tape, but Liz, what else do we like? Everything needs a purpose. What do we actually need? Yeah. So I think the big thing is to define the first thing I would do is I would define the bare minimum of any single hobby that you want to do. So if you want to work out, be like, what is

my ideal workout? But then also what is my bare minimum workout? Maybe your bare minimum workout is you hold a plank for 20 seconds or you do five jumping jacks and make it like actually a bare minimum. And then on the days where you don't do, you can't like get yourself to the gym, you can't get yourself to do your optimal routine, at least you have something to fall back on.

I think of this for healthy eating too. I have like a five minute dinner that is my go-to. I know no matter how tired I am, I can make this dinner. For me, it's like a frozen veggie scrambled egg situation. But like that is, I don't have to think about it. So any habit that you wanna have, if you wanna meditate,

what is your absolute minimum routine? If you want to enhance your relationship with your partner and have a better sex life, what's the minimum version of that? What is the minimum version of any single habit that you're trying to incorporate? And that's so smart because it's like when you think about New Year's resolutions and how they all fail, it's because people have these lofty goals that they're never going to accomplish at all. So it's like setting yourself up for something that's like actually attainable in your life. I think that's so smart because you'll actually do that 20 second plank or whatever it is. I think it's so interesting. We talk about so much setting ourselves up for success. And I think there's validity in that. But setting

ourselves up for failure is equally important. So both what is the lowest possible version look like so you can avoid that failure, avoid that version, but also thinking about there's so much research on attaining our goals. And we really want to look at the obstacles that we're going to likely run into and picture how we're going to circumvent those obstacles. So I think thinking about the failures as much as this as the successes can be really, really helpful. Definitely. Why are we so exhausted? Like, why are we so tired? Why? Why do we even need to be like bare minimum? Because even me as the K type of the lady gang, like I'm in my bare minimum era, like I, I girl bossed way too close to the sun for too long. I'm tired now. And I'm like,

what is the least amount of work I can do today and still like consider it a checkmark day in the calendar. Like, oh, I'm tired, Liz. I think we're doing a lot of the things that drain us and not very many of the things that fill us up. And we're telling ourselves a lot of stories about what filling ourselves up looks like. So like, I'll have a really hard day and then I'll be like, okay, I'm just going to rot on the couch. Nobody talked to me and I'll scroll on social media and scrolling on social media is not actually replenishing me in any way. Whereas talking to a person while it feels a little bit harder, there's a little bit more of a hurdle to get over initially would fill me up again. And I think we're doing that over and over and over.

We're also living in this cesspool of information and bad news. And a lot of us feel really disempowered and lacking agency in our day-to-day lives. And I think that that can feel really, really draining as well. And then on top of that, there's like the economy. And I want to say very clearly to people, I think that people don't feel valid in their feelings of feeling really burnt out and really exhausted. And there's a lot contributing to that. And there's a lot of forces at play in capitalism that want you to feel burnt out and stuck and exhausted and disempowered. And like, you can't take control of your life and you can't feel better. I feel that all the time. Like, I am feeling very much. I don't know, is it something about

being 40s like I don't know where basically society is telling me like you're past your prime you'll never be beautiful again the only hope you have is if you put together a better outfit or like make more money or get these things you know what I mean and I was like I have all the things like I literally have all the things and I still don't quite feel better what have you learned about that. I mean, I think that our honestly, we don't talk enough about how our late 30s and our 40s are this time of transition in terms of how we view ourselves and the value that society tells us that we have. I've I'm 39. I've been really surprised by my own self image during this time, because I feel like you see all these news articles with like Hollywood

celebrities. And they're like, my 40s were the best time of my life. I didn't give a or whatever. And I've really struggled with like, what, you know, if men aren't catcalling me as I'm walking across the street, and if I'm thinking about my fertility waning and things like that, like, where do I fit in in society, but I'm not quite like the wizened older person yet. And I'm still I think that trying to cling a little bit that transition period is really tricky. And I think we could give a lot more voice to how tricky that is. And I think that we, again, we live in this system that's really designed to get us to think about how we look at all the time, at every single moment of our lives. I'm staring at my face right now. That was never the case. Like five years ago, we were not spending all of our time staring at our faces. Plastic surgeons used to get pictures of people coming in and wanting to look like a celebrity.

Now we get pictures of, they get pictures of people trying to look like a internet version of themselves, like a Facetune version of themselves, which is horrifying. So I think a few things. One, I think we can diversify our identities. A lot of us identify as sort of one thing, whether it's a mom or a boss at a company or attractive. And I think that the more buckets we put our identity in, the better time we're going to have with challenges to any part of those identities. And then also, I think getting offline, I know that it's hard and getting into the real world, which going back to the small talk conversation, this is something I've been thinking a lot about is we've set ourselves up to have a very hard time with friction, with doing things that are difficult in our lives. So you can order from Uber Eats and you can have your food there in like 20 minutes. You can talk to people online and never have to talk to them in person. You can scroll on social media and feel like you're getting social interaction, but you never have to like make a sparkling joke or read a cue or anything like that.

And that aversion to friction is making it so that we're not putting in the effort to cultivate and to maintain our real life relationships in the way that we used to, because relationships require friction. I just had a really difficult conversation with a friend like two days ago. And I was like, man, this would be so much easier to sit at home and engage with all of the fake people on the Internet. But that's that's the meat of it. And I think, again, that's the stuff that's going to fill our cup. That's going to reinforce our identity is pushing through those friction barriers and cultivating those real life relationships. God, that's so true. It's so true. I actually, this, one of the things that I really respect about Becca is that she, since I've known her, she's able to like put herself in her own cups.

Like even though she's an actress and she's a mom and she's a podcast, like, and she's a wife and all these things. But like, I never felt like you, Becca, you like, you were so deep in your own one hole that you weren't malleable. like you didn't feel like you could be anything else whereas like I turn into like I am this I'm a tv host that's it that's all I can be and that's the only thing that matters you know well I think mine came out of just like knowing that I was just kind of good at a lot of things like I never really like the what is it master of none like I just jack of all trades master of none like I don't

think it was it was really um intended but you know what's interesting is you were saying like the the identity of like being the attractive one or whatever like I have so many friends especially growing up and being an actress I've I was never like the hottest girl in every room like and I always wanted to be the most beautiful girl on every red carpet and I'm actually so grateful that I was never I was never striving for it because it just was not realistic for me but I'm watching all of my friends in their 40s that they were the girl that was the hottest most beautiful on the red carpet and that was their identity in the bucket that they filled the most and I'm seeing that they're struggling the most right now

because they didn't fill those buckets anywhere else because they were so good at this one thing. Yeah. So mine was a happy accident. I mean, I hated it in my 20s when I was five foot three and felt like shit on a red carpet. Now I feel incredible because I'm like, I've always just been medium, you know,

like here we are being medium. I literally feel the exact same way. Like I always struggled with like body image and like I never thought that I was that attractive when I was younger and only recently have I felt like better in my own body that I'm like, I'm actually not losing anything because I did not feel good when I was younger. And when you were talking about finding identity in different things too, I recently started doing art over the last year and I'm also writing a book. And I had a

conversation with my husband about it that I'm like, I'm so glad that I'm doing two things and I'm passionate about two things that have nothing to do with what I look like. Like it has nothing, I'm not in front of a camera. I am not looking at myself at all. I don't have to put makeup on for any of it. And I can kind of express my way creatively in these avenues that like are purely creative, I guess, to your point. I think that's so such an important thing, especially for women. One of my favorite bits of research is from Dr. Becca Levy at Yale. And she found that if we have positive, we have positive beliefs about aging, like we view aging as a good thing in our lives, we literally add 7.5 years to our lives. So like in actuality, like literal real years,

7.5 years we get added if we have positive aging beliefs. And she said, I had her on the podcast, and she said that the best way to do that is to have positive aging role models. So something I've been really consciously doing is following, I just followed like this woman in her 70s on Instagram, or I listened to podcasts with older women. And I just try to look at like, look, this person's in her, I try to do it every age, like their 40s, their 50s, their 60s, their 70s, living full, exciting lives. Look, this person's in their 50s, and they completely shifted their career path. They started something completely new. It's so cool. And it builds that sense of possibility and those proof points in my own brain, which helps me have those positive

aging beliefs. Yeah, that's so true. I know. So true. It's hard out here for a girl. Hey, Ontario, come on down to BetMGM Casino and see what our newest exclusive, the Price is Right Fortune Pick, has to offer. Don't miss out. Play exciting casino games based on the iconic game show only at BetMGM. Check out how we've reimagined three of the show's iconic games like Plinko, Cliffhanger and the Big Wheel into fun casino

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What have you learned about like friction versus not friction? This isn't just like because here's the thing. I've been a very socially lazy person for my entire existence, basically like and I hide behind that I'm like a hermit and I don't like to go out. But the truth is, when you said friction, I was like, oh, that's what it is. Yeah. Out there, it's loud and I'm going to like that is like how I feel like it's it's loud, like and even the more I hide, the harder it is to go out in the world because everything's loud. like have you been to a Trader Joe's lately like guys I've been getting my groceries delivered to my house for years and I was like I want I wish Trader Joe's had deliveries they don't they have so many good pre-made meals I'm gonna go to Trader Joe's it was like an attack on my nervous system being in there with all those other Trader Joe's people and like the airport and like even getting a coffee at Starbucks there's so many people there's so many smells like it's very aggressive And that's my own mental thing. But like I, in the past, you know, at least three months was like, Kelty, you need to leave the house. Like in, there was no world that I was ever going to our little podcasting dinner, Liz. Like I don't leave the house. I don't go to things with socially, but then like I went and I had the best time, you know?

and like so I I do agree with you like I'm lazy and I want it to be ease but I also think that the friction is like I I went on a plane I sat next to a girl I started talking to her then I got a job through it like it was just like when you leave my husband keeps saying to me I was like I'm in such a flow right now so many good things are happening he's like because you left the house yeah he's like you went out in the world this is true um my my little sister wants she really, really wants to like meet a partner. And I'm like, well, are you on the apps? And she's like, no. And I'm like, well, are you having friends set you up? And she's like, no. And I'm like, do you want your partner to walk in your front door and propose to you? And she's like,

yeah, that would be ideal. That would be really amazing. Thank you. I'm up on Uber Eats. Yeah, yeah. You can come in. You don't have to deal with the Trader Joe's people, which is probably honestly a great place to meet a partner these days. There's so many, so many people there. I have a number of thoughts. One, I think a big conversation we're not having about the friction is the dopamine conversation. Our dopamine is so messed up because of the amount of time that we are spending online these days

that we essentially don't have the dopamine balance to motivate ourselves to do the harder things to push through that friction. So anything that we can do to bring our dopamine back into balance is going to help even completely unrelated things that we're finding friction in. So if you, for instance,

push yourself a little bit harder and like a Sudoku puzzle or a workout where you're kind of like working your brain, working your body a little bit harder. You take a cold shower, you read a challenging book, you sit and stare into nothingness for five minutes. All of those things are gonna make it so it's actually easier for you to push through the friction

of going out and hanging out with people because you're bringing your dopamine back into balance. So that's one thought. Another thought is to make it easy for yourself. I'm the biggest, biggest, biggest fan of recurring plans. There's research on something called the mirror exposure effect, which shows that we like people and they like us more the more we're exposed to each other,

even if we don't know that we're like seeing each other regularly. So if you go to the same coffee shop, if you go to the same workout class, when you're seeing those people, your brain's like, oh, they're familiar. They're safe. I like them and vice versa. So I have like a book club that meets every single month. I have a girlfriend that I work out with every single Wednesday. I'm taking that choice and the decision out of it. And I'm creating these opportunities for exposure that are building these friendships. A bit of research I think about a lot is that it takes 50 hours to turn somebody into a friend, 100 hours to turn somebody into a close friend, and 200 hours to turn somebody into a best friend. So a lot of developing these like deep,

meaningful relationships that we want to develop is just about putting the time in. And so making recurring plans is a great way to put that time in. So that's another thought that I have on that. I also am wondering, Kelty, you're like, Trader Joe's is really frazzling. I'm wondering if you're getting the type of rest that you need to restore your nervous system so that going out in public does not feel so assaulting. I think feeling like a Trader Joe's or an airport, you know, they're not fun environments. Trader Joe's is pretty fun. I feel like there's a lot of like, oh, I didn't know they made that. But like, they're not the best environments. And if they're really pushing you over the edge, I think it's worth asking yourself, like how full up was your cup? How like tipping over was it to begin with?

Was it the day before your period? Yes. Well, that, I mean, bring hormones into it. It's like a whole other conversation. But there's a lot, there's research on that. There's actually seven different types of rest. And so that's something that I think about a lot when it comes to rest is,

am I getting all of the different types of rest Or am I getting like fake rest, which is laying on the couch and scrolling and telling myself that that's actually restoring me in some way when it's not. Do you have a podcast on all the kinds of rest? I talk about it in my Lazy Girl Hacks podcast, but essentially we have physical, mental, emotional, sensory, creative, social, and spiritual. Those are the seven types. And so you can kind of listen like they are what they sound like.

creative rest would be like coloring or writing or doing something, even internalizing creative work, like walking around a museum, feeling creatively stimulated and inspired in a way. Spiritual is having some sort of connection with spirituality. That's a harder one for me. But I do think that thinking about like, where do I find awe? What is spirituality and that connection to something greater than me? Where does that come into my life? But you can kind of listen on the list and be like, maybe I'm lacking in that type of rest. And maybe I need a little bit more of that so that the Trader Joe's feels more doable. Yeah. For me, the rest is not like getting to the next level and do a lingo, Kelty. Calm down. Like that's not, you know what

I mean? You know what you said about, oh, sorry. Sorry. I just want to go back to what you said about like the routine thing. Especially with kids, having a small kid, it's really hard to get out of like the routine and the bedtime. It's really monotonous. And I'm not somebody who loves routine like that. I stick with it because I know that it's good. But then by the time it's like social, getting out, seeing people, all the things like I was struggling so much because I was like, I don't want to make the reservation. I don't want to invite the families. I don't want to deal with this. I don't want to have to pack the bag of toys to keep my kid quiet, whatever. So like we've done this thing

where it's like every single Friday, it's the same place with the same people. I don't have to think about what am I supposed to wear to this place? Or am I gonna have to bring enough toys to keep my kid occupied for two hours? Or is there a play set to play on? Or like, it's just really been the thing

that like I don't have to think about at the end of the week, but I know that I'm getting the socializing in and it's been a game changer. Otherwise I would never see other families, truly. Yeah. I feel like that about my gym routine. I have a girlfriend that I work out with every single week

and it both makes it so I'm definitely going to go to the gym. But also it's just, I always see her. My friendship has grown so much deeper with her because we have this standing routine and we're always, and weight training is the best chit chat time because you like lift and then you're just sitting there chilling for 90 seconds while you're resting. And so it's such a good socialization opportunity.

I love this. Well, we are your favorite parasocial relationship over here at Lady Gang. If you're looking for another parasocial relationship, we strongly, strongly advise you to check out the Liz Moody podcast. The work that you're doing and like who you are, you just are so comforting. You are definitely a good kind of rest. And if you also want to follow Liz, you can follow her on her Instagram at Liz Moody. And we need to have you back. We'll find another topic because I really enjoyed this conversation.

The new book comes out next spring. Wait, is it on presale? It is not on, no, girl, it's not finished being written. We're like running original research for it and stuff. No, this is, it's called The Novelty Rule. And it's actually interesting to your point, Becca. It's about how adding novelty into our lives makes our lives longer, richer, more satisfying.

And it makes us impervious to unexpected change. But it needs to be mixed with a certain amount of routine. So it's about like finding that right balance so you can get all the benefits of both. Wait, is it spring 2027? Yeah, which doesn't feel like a real year. And I'll also say really quick for listeners, one other thing that I love for dopamine

is if you can swap short form for long form. So if you can like listen to this podcast instead of scrolling on social, that is good for your brain. Like that's not nothing and it really does help. Yeah, Gen Z's f***ed. On that note. No, there's hope, there's hope.

Liz also has another amazing book that's already out, A Hundred Ways to Change Your Life. It takes the learnings that she gathered over thousands of expert interviews and gives them into like 100 distinct habits, shifts and tools and resources for you. So if you're like a list girl like me, if you're Kelty, that would be an amazing book for you to try out too. Liz, thank you so much for coming, for letting us be lazy. Thank you.

And we weren't here for a long time. We were here for a lazy time. We were here for a lazy time. Lady Gang is hosted and produced by Kelty Knight, Becca Tobin and Jack Vanek with social media support from Kali Carrera, audio and video editing from Jared Monaco, and additional support from Steve Delameter and Podcast One.