LadyGang - LG Quickie: Mom Talk with Becca!
Episode Date: January 8, 2026Becca sits down with the founders of Elevate Baby for a candid, eye-opening conversation about modern family building. From egg and sperm donors to surrogacy, nothing is off-limits as they br...eak down the realities, myths, emotions, and logistics behind growing a family in nontraditional ways. Whether you’re actively exploring your options, supporting a friend on their journey, or just curious about how it all works, this episode delivers honest insight, expert knowledge, and plenty of reassurance!CLEAR SKIN CHANGES EVERYTHING! Go to Clearstem.com/ladygang and use code LADYGANG for 15% off your first order!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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it's time for a quickie podcast one presents the lady gang the hollywood girl posse with
lady gang quickie here's kelty knight becca tobin and jack vanek let's make this quick
hello hello hello lady gang it's becca tobin here and yes we are doing something
new and fun and exciting i have kicked out jack and kelty and i have a new lady gang
Just kidding. Please welcome. The reason that my son is Earthside, the reason I didn't lose my ever-loving mind in the process of my fertility, the word that I hate, journey, the founders of Elevate,
which is an elite-assisted reproductive agency specializing in egg donation, sperm donation, and surrogacy.
Founded by our guests today, fathers of two beautiful girls and a boy on the way,
the most attractive couple in America, Taylor Fry and Kyle Dean Massey.
Wow, that's an intro.
Yeah.
Thank you.
I'm going to put that in my back pocket for a down moment later.
Well, it is true.
I mean, all of those things are true, including the most attractive couple in America.
with the most beautiful children in America, probably, too.
Oh, thanks.
And if you guys are comfortable with me sharing this,
they actually found their surrogate through the Lady Gang community,
our beautiful Sarah.
And they came on the podcast a bit ago, a couple years, maybe two years ago.
Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah. And Sarah was listening and heard a little bit about surrogacy and the rest is kind of history and she's wonderful. I met her at a live show and I was very jealous and I almost paid her off to be my next surrogate. But then I felt like that was not an ethical thing to do. Welcome to the show, guys.
Thanks for having us. I mean, Lady Gang is something we we talk about having tattooed somewhere on our body because it literally brought us our second daughter and now our third child.
Well, I'll get Elevate Baby on me because you're why I have my son.
Okay, so I think we should start off, you know, I talked to my Instagram and I get a lot of DMs
asking really specific surrogacy related questions. And I try my best to answer those. But
I think that it just showed me that there's a thirst for knowledge in this space. And you guys
are obviously at the forefront of it, doing it the best in the business. So give me a little
rundown of why you started Elevate. Well, we had just finished the process ourselves and we used
what was being touted as the best agency in the nation. And we had a really just a tough
experience. It was personal, it was emotional, it was obviously expensive.
And we were really surprised at the lack of transparency. We lost our first donor,
which you know thank god because it led us to the one i believe that was meant for us the agency
asked for a whole other agency fee just to be rematched um kyle and i really saw how fragmented
and opaque the system kind of was the the ivf process was especially for women or for gay
couples so we really wanted something that felt more custom uh our goal was to bring clarity
a little bit more dignity more transparency to the process and you know we just we also noted
that in our initial agency, these, these donors that were going to be the, you know, half of the
genetics of my kids that are like going to make my dreams come true. We're kind of being tossed
around like this odd commodity, you know, and we, we wanted an agency that represented donors that
felt like collaborators. You're going to help this family and you're going to help someone have a
child. And yeah, I mean, there's so much emotional weight to it and we just didn't feel assisted
in that way. And I wanted to give that to people. That's amazing. And I can attest to this that
I obviously hadn't worked with other agencies. You were the first that we worked with. And I was
really blown away by the advocacy you guys have for these surrogates and these donors. And I felt
like that was not feedback that I was hearing necessarily, like from the Reddit pages and the
weird holes you go in on Facebook. And I just was really impressed by, obviously, your client
is usually the intended parent, but the way that you advocate for these incredible angels is really
better than I've heard is going on out there. I mean, I love hearing that. I really do. That's
kind of our role as an agency. We're here to kind of be the designer of the journey,
and it's everybody's journey. It's the donor's journey. It's the surrogate's journey,
just as much as it's the intended parent's journey.
Yeah.
So we're there to protect them.
Journey, journey, journey, journey, journey.
Yeah.
Journey, journey, journey, journey, journey.
We need a new word.
Like, what is it?
I say it, you have to, like, it's so annoying,
but it is a journey.
It is.
There's ups and downs.
I mean, we could call it a hike, an IVF hike.
You know what?
It actually feels more like a hike, to be honest.
It is, man.
Like, things get in the way.
It's a lot.
It can be a lot.
but it's beautiful. And you kind of touched on this a little bit about like the actual role of
an agency because on these Reddit pages and on these Facebook groups, I do see people doing this
without agencies and you see a lot of hiccups happening and it's probably pretty murky and
muddy and they run into a lot of things. And what is it that you guys do as the agency?
I mean, what don't you do? I was going to move into the surrogacy portion when we get to there,
but I can say we're there to walk beside you.
We're there to protect you, the whole process.
You're going to have a legal advocate
that's going to take care of all legality issues.
All of that's going to be tied up.
You're going to have a physician
that's going to take care of the medicine,
but we are like the emotional, logistical,
hopefully ethical center for you.
And as you said, we're there to advocate.
And you sure do.
Okay, so egg donation.
I have gotten so many DMs from girls,
from women, sorry.
about egg donation can you tell me for you and it's probably pretty similar across the board
but like what is the ideal profile of someone who is you know interested in donating their eggs
you know what any woman that wants to donate to people like me uh is a generous woman that's
already a beautiful donor it's more about aligning the desires of the intended parents with what they
want their family to, to look like if the intended mother has to replace her own eggs
and she wants it, the child to reflect her. And in some way there's always, there's always going
to be a thought process behind it, but I mean, you've got to have a normal BMI. You've got to
be under 30, ideally some education. Um, of course I get really specific and picky clients about eye
color and ancestry, and we're here to match you with the perfect fit for you, but there's no real
one set profile. It's more finding what works for their family. Yeah. And are there ever cases
with you with, is it an, it's like adoption. Is there ever a time that you donate eggs and
you think in 18 years, somebody is going to come knock on my door and say, you know,
you're my biological mother? Well, I mean, there are many different scenarios there.
Donors are the ones that set this expectation and this relationship.
So a lot of donors come to us and say, I want to be totally anonymous.
You know, I don't want that.
And that's perfectly fine.
You can do that.
Other donors want some type of what they call an open donation.
So they may be in text contact with the intended family.
And that's what Taylor and I have, actually.
We do follow her on Instagram.
um you know she's never met our kids before but we have a very cordial relationship um and it's
it's a very open discussion we have with our kids but there's never going to be any expectation
to the donor as any type of family member anything like that it's it's a beautiful thing that happens
in that moment um and the relationships afterwards they vary from couple to couple but it's not like
um you know these old lifetime movies right it's yeah it's not like that it's also just out of
respect. Like you're going to have a contract in place. And yes, there's things like 23andMe that
exist, but you've agreed upon something with this donor. If she wants to be anonymous and
never be reached out to, that's that. Yeah. Well, that was another question. Some of these
girls in the lady gang and who follow me, they did freeze eggs earlier in their life and they
have these eggs on ice and they either decided they don't want children of their own or they've
had children of their own and they don't need to use these eggs. Do you ever accept eggs that
have been previously frozen, I guess, is the question. Oh, 100%. It's amazing. I can, you know,
based on the profile, I can get them matched with a family that is ready to go. It doesn't want to
wait for the whole legal fresh retrieval process and maybe wants one kid and needs 10 to 15 eggs.
So it's going to be more about the profile of the donor, of course, her AMH level, making sure the
eggs are mature and good quality eggs. And as long as she's under, I'm going to go ahead and
say Kyle might disagree, but I think I can match eggs under 32, 32 and under. Gotcha.
At the time of the freezing. Right. Yeah. Okay. And then compensation, a lot of people are really
curious about what the compensation looks like for egg donors or sperm donors, because you guys
also deal in sperm donation as well. Yes, we do. We love it. So it varies considerably.
I mean, you can speak to it. This is kind of more Taylor's realm. But I mean, it varies depending on what's going to be a meaningful amount for people, you know, because you're being compensated for your time and your effort and your physical discomfort. You're not being paid per egg or something like that. That's not how this process works.
And there's some stigma around compensation, which kind of drives me nuts because a donor is doing this for me. There's there's never going to be enough I can give in the world to her for the gift and the heart I have for my children. And, you know, a high five is lovely. But what's better than meaningful compensation that helps her pay her student loans down, keep her in her apartment, whatever it is, they deserve this gift. And it's like the one thing that we can give them.
you know it's it's amazing and rates for compensation can start anywhere from probably
15 000 and it can go pretty high if i'm being honest with you it really can and we we try to
keep things intact when we talk about ethics and all these things but it a donor can kind of set
her compensation rate and we will do our best to get that for her she deserves it wow that's so
cool. And now we're going to move on to surrogacy because that is Kyle Dean's. That's where we
worked the most, obviously, because we used my eggs with Ford, but we needed some beautiful
angel woman to be willing to carry our precious little baby. And so we turned to Kyle Dean and
I'm going to just come out and say it because this question is always the front runner for surrogacy.
everyone wants to know how much it costs for the intended parents, quote, all in. I know this is
such a range, but like, give us the best, you know. Well, we have, you know, at Elevate,
we give people little spreadsheets that help them estimate what that's going to be. Because like you
said, it really is different for every single person. Do you need a donor? Are you creating
embryos with donor sperm or donor eggs. But for surrogacy only, like for somebody like you,
on the low end, it's probably $125,000 and can be more than double that on the high end.
I will say when we talk about the high end of surrogacy though, that's in the hands of
the intended parent. Those are preferences they'll make. Like, do you want this crazy
insurance plan or are you fine with just the kind that covers you? Are you an international parent?
If you don't live within the US, you typically have to buy newborn insurance, things like that.
So the process itself, I'd say typically is probably just over $150,000. So it's very
expensive. Yeah. Yeah. It ain't cheap, but it's worth every penny if you take a look at my perfect
child. The thing is, it's every single person that touches surrogacy is highly trained. They've all
gone to school for 20 something years to do what they do. And there's hundreds of people that touch
your case. I mean, it is very highly refined science. It's incredible. Okay. What's the ideal
profile of a surrogate if someone's interested in being a surrogate?
You know, surrogates, it's very, very difficult to become a surrogate. You have to have given
birth before, so you have to have your own children. You have to be between the ages of
21 and 45, according to the ASRM. But I'd say in practice, most surrogates are 25 to 40.
Interpregnancy interval is something that we have to talk about. That's the amount of time
that has elapsed since your last delivery. So if you've given birth once, but your child is
15 years old, probably not going to be able to be a surrogate at this point. So we're looking for
people who've had babies in the last 10 years at the most, but usually seven years. People who have
stable relationships and live in safe environments and have great pregnancies. You have to have at
least one uncomplicated delivery. So if you had a delivery, and a C-section is not necessarily
considered a complication, but if you had something like preeclampsia, that would be
considered a complication. I think it's important, Kyle, what you said about a stable relationship
and their environment. I don't think any intended parent can do enough due diligence there,
in my opinion, based off some of my experiences. I think you've really, really got to get to know
these people and you've got to get to know their partner. It's so true. I mean, but you know what's
kind of crazy is people say, I want to be a surrogate. How cool would it be to help somebody
have a baby. And then they come to an agency and we're like, that's amazing. Thank you so much.
Okay. We're going to put you through the ringer. We're going to send someone to your house. You're
going to do background checks. You're going to have all of your medical records reviewed. I mean,
they have to really go through it. They've offered this amazing gift, but the screening
process is, it is intense. It is a long process. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's just going through the,
you know, the matching process with you guys, we got so incredibly lucky with the beautiful woman
who carried Ford. Um, so it's, it's, it was actually later that I heard stories about,
you know, surrogates going through divorces and like, that's an incredible amount of stress. And,
um, obviously there are things out of our control and, um, anybody who asks me, um,
who's interested in surrogacy as the intended parent, I always say there's so much faith and
trust that you have to just carry with you through the entire process. And the trust is with
obviously the agency and the surrogate, but the faith is also just so important. It sounds so
cheesy, but your head can go a lot of crazy places and you can start to try to micromanage
the experience. And I think it's just so detrimental because you guys do so much,
like you said, they go through the ringer. It's psych evaluations. It's going through
medical records. It's seeing what their family life is like. And so you have to just sit back
and be like, all the work has been done. This is an incredibly generous person who is more than
qualified to do this work for me. But I've told a lot of my very A-type friends who like to control
every single thing. Sometimes I look at them and I'm like, you actually, I would not suggest you
go through this process. Like, I don't know any other way to say it, but like, it would just be
torturous for the surrogate. And I don't want to see that kind of go down. And I know you guys
step in and you guys control so much of what that communication looks like. So, you know,
you protect them to an extent. Okay, then my other question.
How are you matched? How is the surrogate matched with the?
That's a great question. I mean, there's a lot that goes into the matching process. You know,
when you choose a donor, you go to a donor database, and you essentially look through
profiles and you choose one. But when you're matched with a surrogate, that process could
not look any different. You're basically giving us your preferences and your expectations in this
process. But then surrogates, they do the same. So a surrogate will come to us and say, I really
want to carry for, for, for people who probably live in my state, or I want to carry for someone
who's struggled and has not even had a child yet. You know, that might be their preferences,
but we obviously gather more important information, your views on termination,
selective reduction uh you know religious affiliation things like that and so when we
have what we think is a solid match then those are presented to both parties so surrogate and
intended parents they are essentially choosing each other simultaneously it's kind of like the
dating apps where you both have to swipe right or left or i don't know which way it is but
And that's essentially what's happening.
Just kidding.
But once you do that, once both parties say, this looks like a great fit, then the next step is you meet with each other and you get to go through that process in person.
So there are many levels to matching with the surrogate.
And I think it's the most important part of the process.
And you want to make sure everybody feels very good about it.
Because to your point, Becca, it does require a lot of trust.
I mean, you have this experience. You meet a surrogate for the first time on Zoom and you're like, hey, really nice meeting you. Do you want to grow my baby? Do you care if I watch you push it out in a year? You know, it's like it's a very strange first meeting with somebody and you either hit it off or you don't.
It's true. You know, and I give this advice too for, and this goes either way, the intended parent
or the surrogate. After you match and you really meet up on those logistical, you know, preferences
or align on so many of those things. I just looked at Sierra, our surrogate, and just my gut was just
like, this is a great, this is a great path to follow. This is a great person. Her energy, like
it sounds so woo-woo, but I think that it is a gut reaction because it's like, like you're saying,
dating. You could sit across the table from somebody and be like, I don't know if I fully
think I could trust you through this, or I don't know if we're going to gel, or I don't know if
our communication is the same style. Kyle, you said something about being there when you give
birth, like these people are going to be. And that's something that I get asked a lot is,
are you there? Is your husband in there watching this woman give birth to your baby? And that's
also a conversation that you have. And as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong, the surrogate gets
her person with her no matter what. Like that's her husband, her best friend, her family member,
whoever she needs as her support during that. And she can also choose who she wants to be in
that room. Correct? Correct. Yeah. I mean, not just that, but I mean, there's so many other
preferences that people have on the birthday. And those are things that we work out. A good agency
will have a full birth plan where you go through these preferences and you talk about it. Like,
you know, you don't want some intended parent in there filming your crotch if that's something you
haven't talked about ahead of time. You know what I mean? Or maybe it's a chilled martini ready to
go. The minute that baby pops out, whatever it is, we will make it happen. She's got great taste.
Had the sushi delivered. So all of those things, I mean, but there's other, there's so many other
things. Like what if, what if there has to be an emergency C-section and they only let one person
in the room? You should have the answer to that. Like that shouldn't be a scramble at that moment.
So we iron all those things out. So hopefully birthdays are beautiful experiences. And it's
kind of you know the pinnacle of this amazing journey journey the lady gang the most frustrating
question and i guess it's it's a valid-ish question but i don't know um i get it so often
what happens if the surrogate wants to keep the baby it's not a thing not a thing right
it's just not possible we will come everybody will show up at the hospital at the house and
retrieve the child for you. And none of these, I mean, I, I speak from my own, my experience only.
And then a few others just from, you know, being in my life with other people who've gone this
route, the surrogates are so happy to go home without a newborn. Like I remember Sierra being
like, I am so excited. The only other time I gave two times I gave birth, I had to go home
wearing my diaper and then also taking care of a newborn all night, all day. So she's like,
I am so excited. The last thing I want, no offense, is your baby right now.
Totally. Totally. And both of our surrogates have said that exact same thing. Now, I will say the
one thing that both have mentioned they wish was a little different is a little bit more time after
the birth there with us and the baby. And sometimes you're in the city waiting for the
child for a long time, uh, which was the first case, the second she was induced. So we knew the
date, but still like you're, you're, you are eager to get home and get to your nursery with your
baby, but you've got to honor what's going to help the surrogate feel emotionally cured and ready.
And for both of our surrogates, they were like a little more time would have been
amazing. And we would have happily done that. We, and we will this for, for this next one, we will.
That's great.
Yeah.
Oh, and then just the rate, the surrogacy rates, like for women interested in doing
surrogacy, we talked about kind of the cost for the intended parents all in.
And I know this is also such a wide range and it's probably a really hard question to
answer, but just to give people an idea who might be interested, like what that looks
like.
You know, I'd say it's for, it varies, obviously it's so variable, but it's anywhere from
55,000, probably up to 80,000 for first-time surrogates. And a lot of that is dependent on
where people live, their previous birth experience, all of those types of things. So
it's certainly, it's a lot of work, you know, to carry a baby for somebody else. And
this is the only way that we can really thank surrogates is by compensating them for their
efforts and the time that they put into this process. So we always at Elevate, we always want
to say it should be a meaningful amount for you and your family. Like it should be an amount that
feels like, wow, we really did something. This is going to benefit my family. But they should know
that it is a conversation. If, if, you know, if they don't feel like that's quite sufficient for
whatever their arrangement is or work they have to take off, it is, we are there to, to make it
work at a rate that feels like you're being compensated appropriately for this life-changing
gift. It's like there, if I was, if I could, and I had all the money in the world, I'd give both
my surrogates like a Rolls Royce or something. I don't know. It's like, I love my so much. And
like, it just wouldn't be possible without them. So I think it's totally an ongoing conversation.
Yeah. Yeah. And of course, you know, the other thing that's worth mentioning too,
a lot of people don't realize this, but surrogates, they don't incur any expenses.
So on top of their compensation, their medical insurance is fully paid for, for even three to six months after the birth.
All of their travel, their flights, their hotels, per diems.
Stereo gets like pelvic floor assistance, an organic food stipend.
Massages, chiropractic care, all of that stuff is included.
So, you know, we just want to make this an amazing experience for them as well, as Taylor mentioned earlier.
Yeah, I remember, you know, with Sierra, she had three small children of her own. And so, you know, we paid for the child care that had to happen while she was at every appointment and the days that she was in the hospital. So, yeah, it is that is really important to mention. They really do not come out of pocket for anything.
And I think this is going into my next question, which is a stigma you wish that could be kind of removed from either donations, sperm donation, surrogacy, all the things.
And I think for me, I would like to kind of touch on the another thing that's like super hard to hear when people, you know, insert their opinions under the choices that you make is the Handmaid's Tale reference.
And and that kind of reference is in reference to exploiting some other woman as a way of getting something that you want. And so I don't know, you probably you guys probably have your own stigmas you'd also like to remove.
but I do want to discuss that one first because I don't, I want to know selfishly from you guys
how to answer that question in an eloquent, thoughtful way. Yeah. Well, I mean, 99% of the
women we work with who want to donate eggs or carry for somebody are not doing it out of financial
desperation. It's just not enough to do it for that reason. Um, they, the women we work with
are educated. They're empowered. They have careers. They're doing it intentionally to
help families. I really stand by that statement. They're collaborators on this family building
process. You know, it's so frustrating when people are like, oh, they're these vessels and
they're victims, but it's just such an outdated and harmful stigma, really.
Yeah. I was actually interested to hear that there is a financial piece to this in knowing
that the surrogate is not doing it for simply financial reasons.
Yeah. Actually, it's an ASRM and SEEDS Union of Ethics guideline. So people can't be solely
financially motivated. I think people, when you hear that, people think, well, how do you know?
Right.
You know. You know immediately if that's the case. It's so easy to screen that out. People,
they want to do this for a multitude of reasons. And compensation is an important component,
but it can't be the driving force. But yeah, Becca, I mean, it is the biggest stigma that
women are being exploited. It's just not. This is the warmest, most connected experience I've
ever had in my life. And I can't help but think that that feels misogynistic because people don't
talk about guys who run off and join the military and that they're being exploited. They go to war
and possibly die. But that's okay. You know, for women to carry a baby is something that they
offer to do because they love being pregnant. They want to, they are altruistic. They want to
give this gift to intended parents for some, whatever reason. It's okay.
If we're being honest, if it happens in any department, it would probably be egg donation.
Really?
I think those women are, it doesn't happen often and we try to weed it out every time.
But some of the younger donors, you know, we have a standard here that you can donate 20, 21 plus. But some of them, yeah, they do see an opportunity to get compensated and might be more financially moated than altruistically. And yeah, I'm sure that happens here and there.
But also, isn't it the type of thing where if they're comfortable doing it, it's their choice in doing it? I know so many women who donated kind of when they were young to pay for certain things, schooling, you know, whatever. They are so grateful that that was an option to have, you know, and I can't and I'm sure there's exceptions to every rule for every experience.
you know, there's always the unicorn and that I'm fully aware of. And I hope that every intended
parent is a dream for some of these women. And I am sure that that is not always the case,
but that's also where you guys come in. And I know you guys, this advocacy that you have for
these women is really such a beautiful thing. It's like, I've seen you with some of these women,
because actually a lot of them have gone through this with you, this journey, this hike as donors
or surrogates that you guys have just kind of found and worked with. And they later become
employees of yours, which is also so incredible because the person who oversaw my surrogacy
journey was a surrogate. And so there's just so much, you guys are kind of like these, like,
you know, I look at you guys when you're with these, some of these women is like these,
like very protective father figures. And it's a really cool and beautiful thing. And I,
I mean, I could shout it from the rooftops. Is there any other stigma
you guys can think of? I mean, those are really like, to me, massive.
I think the designer baby conversation gets pretty boring for me. We're not designing a baby. I'm
trying to choose a woman that I love her heart, her skill set, the way she looks, her health
history, you know, to give my kid the best shot at a healthy life and a successful life. If that's
what you deem designing then okay so be it but we're not testing for eye color here yeah well
when i met zach i was sitting across from him on our date being like is he gonna make pretty babies
like i mean and you and he did thank god you know it's touch and go no but you know it's like it's a
it's a human nature type of thing and i also have found with friends of mine that i've used egg
donors like you mentioned in the beginning of this conversation a lot of it is trying to find a donor
who physically resembles the mother so that, you know, if this woman who can't use her own eggs
and is turning to a donor to have her baby, I would want to find some 5'3", some small,
blonde, light-eyed woman. Okay. This question is actually from a local Austin OBGYN high-risk
pregnancy expert, Dr. Amanda Horton. Shout out. I do. I really love her. I've turned to her in
so many of my fertility hiccups. She says, who is their physician advisory team, meaning yours,
and standards they use to select gestational carriers, how that information is shared,
communicated to and with intended parents? We've touched on this a little bit, but I think the
physician advisory team is something we should talk about.
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, as an agency, we're not your physician. We're not your medical team. So when we work with intended parents, we know what clinic they're working with. And while we are members of the American Society for Reproductive Medicine, we have tons of guidelines that we have to follow from the SRM, as well as ethical and legal guidelines. So all of that plays a role in onboarding surrogates.
And then beyond that, we have an independent physician who reviews all medical records. So these are physicians not affiliated with Elevate or with the Intended Parents Clinic who does a final check on all records to ensure that she is ASR compliant. And then everything goes to the actual physician and they will do a fourth review of the surrogate.
So there's so many levels of medical oversight along the way to make sure that there's no bias at play here trying to sneak something in.
And we're talking about like the leading reproductive endocrinologist in the world.
Like that's who we're working with here until the surrogate is passed to her own OB.
So there's a lot of checks and balances.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, that's actually brings me to my next question.
where can people find you if they are interested in any of the any of the many things that you
cover in this space the best in the biz elevatebaby.com or you can email info at elevate
baby you can email myself or kyle directly the emails are super straightforward kyle
at elevatebaby.com taylor at elevatebaby.com put lady gang in the subject yeah oh absolutely like
tell us who sent you. Fast-tracked. I'm just kidding. We'll know that if it's Becca,
we know that you got the crack that you're going to be fun to work with.
Great. I love you guys so much. I, you know, obviously I, I am so grateful. I don't know
where I would be if we had not bumped into each other at that family equality charity years and
years and years ago in LA. Yes. Meant to be what you have done for this industry is really a
beautiful thing. You are really game changers in the space. Uh, and I, I just love you. There's
so many babies here because of you too. So, and happy families. We love you too, Becca. We're so
happy. Love you guys. Lady Gang is hosted and produced by Kelty Knight, Becca Tobin and Jack
Vanek with social media support from Kali Carrera, audio and video editing from Jared Monaco and
additional support from Steve Delameter and Podcast One.
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