LadyGang - LG QUICKIE: The Closest We Can Get To Oprah with Sheri Salata

Episode Date: July 11, 2019

In a rare Jac-less episode, Keltie & Becca welcome the accomplished president of Oprah Winfrey Network and president Harpo Productions as she talks about her involvement in television, the infamous book club, Tom Cruise's couch incident, and so much more! Follow the podcast on Instagram @theladygang and email Jac, Becca and Keltie at [e-mail]! And check out the TV show page's official page @ladygangtv Check out new episodes of the LGTV show every Sunday at 11:00 only on E! And thank you to today's sponsors: Amazon = Go to Amazon.com/shop/ladygang to find their favorite products while keeping the podcast FREE! Apartments.com = Visit Apartments.com to find your next place to rent. Change your apartment. Change the world. Nestle Haagen Dazs = Head to HaagenDazs.com to discover m ore and pick up Haagen-Dazs TRIO Crispy Layers at various stores near you Zola = To start your free wedding website and also get $50 off your registry on Zola, go to ZOLA.com/LADYGANG See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hey guys, the following podcast is a Lady Gang Network and Podcast One production, which means it's going to be awesome. Podcast One presents the Lady Gang, the Hollywood girl posse with Lady Gang Quickie. Here's Kelty Knight, Becca Tobin, and Jack Vanek. Let's make this quick. Our guest today is probably as close to Oprah as we will ever get after working different jobs including toy store manager typist and 7-eleven supervisor she eventually landed in the media world as an assistant at an ad agency but this still wasn't her calling oh no no no honey

it wasn't until she landed at harpo studios that she felt truly at home working her way up she became the executive producer of the oprah winfrey show she was the robin to oprah's batman the jelly to her peanut butter and jelly we love bread and the starch key to her hutch together they were unstoppable but after 20 years of dream come true job she realized she did not have a dream come true life oh i feel this in my soul it was time for her to part ways and begin to manifest her own destiny and while writing the beautiful no you guys saw me on instagram i instagrammed about it it spoke to me and now she's created her own brand and media company called story with her friend nancy the two even have a podcast together and she's living it up in napa where the glass is

always half full. Please welcome to the show, Sherry Salata. Oh my God. Okay. I know. That's the truth. Okay. First of all, I want, I'm going to start right into the book. So you have this life. You have the life everyone wanted. And the thing that spoke to me was you said, I have been a part of this Oprah Winfrey world. You've had every guru, every weight loss person, every health person, every person that was like, this is how you live your best life. And you got to the end of your kind of rope and you were like, I don't know what to do here. I know. Well, listen, I was not lacking information. Sure. That's the paradox. I knew everything. I produced everybody. Right. I knew all the information across the whole board. Right. And, and at the end of the day,

you have to decide at some point that you're going to be the capital E expert of you and that you're going to be the one for you. And there's going to be nobody else's program that you're just going to slip on like a suit of clothes you're going to have to figure out number one what is the life of your dreams can you believe at 56 i did not have the answer to that um i thought well i got a good job with the life of my dream sure so you have to figure out what that is and then you have to figure out what are the elements every day every week every month every six months every year that make up that life of your dreams and so what what do you think is the life of the dream like what do you think every woman should have? Well, this might not be as much an issue for you guys. You

tell me. But because I'm finding when I'm talking to younger women, my story is more of a cautionary tale. For people who are in the middle of life, like late 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s and older, it's more of a rallying cry. It's like, come on, you know, don't read the tea leaves out in the culture or the world you decide what your life is going to be at each one of those decades and sometimes for us um we forget that the the quantum metaphysical practice of dreaming what that really means which is carving out space we're all super busy our calendars are sure from from morning till night carving out space to just kind of wistfully ruminate on the possibilities of life kind of saying like okay spirituality let me think about it what what is what is my dream come true practice

what does that look like when I'm fully inhabiting that area of my life and kind of going area by area and really stirring the dream fires really dream storming and because without that what you end up doing is you know it runs your life your to-do list sure your meetings your bookings your responsibilities, what everybody else needs from you. And certainly I allowed that to happen to me because I was good at it. But if you hadn't, you wouldn't have had that success. And that's 22. I know it sounds like that. It's unfair, but I, I, it sounds like that, but I don't think so because it wasn't 24 hours a day. You know, it might've been 18 hours, but it wasn't 24 hours a day and the way that i spent i would use that big job the oh sherry she's so busy the scripter

because everybody left me let me off the hook nobody was mad at me for canceling plans or not making commitments or saying like i'll let you know five minutes before like that funny movie line you know please you can't count on me till five minutes before because they're like she works so I got away I got away with a ton of stuff but what I also did is I allowed that that validation that big huge gold star to let me really kind of go unconscious for everything else like relationships with men challenging bit of a struggle not really sure how to navigate while still being ambitious and having dreams okay so then well screw that I'm not really good at that And then, you know, like all the way down the line, but work, right.

It was working out pretty good. Yeah. And I felt validated and I felt affirmed and I was achieving. So, so I could use that as an excuse and, and, and not to address the fact that I needed to put stress relieving practices in place. When you are doing a big job or a public job, like you guys are, that starts getting busier and busier and busier you better have your stress relievers down cold you better have a meditation practice that is so solid nothing can veer you from it and a workout practice that you would

never skip because those are the things that let you process that stress so you can handle it it's so interesting that one of the things um that you talked about and we do this all the lady gang we'll do anything for 30 days so you talked about this in the book you're like we are the queens of going and doing like you did like the berries 30-day boot camp you did the whole food whole 30 you did a challenge and i will do it for 30 days and then giving up and you talked about that you were like i went so hardcore i'm gonna run a marathon and then you're like and then i'm not gonna do shit for six months that's right then i'm gonna eat only carrots for two weeks then i'm gonna eat whatever i want like it's like an all or nothing mentality that we have as career women

too I think and that's why we're so successful in the things that we do because it's like the dedication and determination we put everything there right and we can implement it in other parts of our lives but only for a little while because our energy is going to the to the big job right and I you're singing my song and I was once a big member of that club along with you that um I remember the day and it wasn't too long ago I'm like yeah I'm really that I've just led this all or nothing kind of life and then and then this little voice resonated my head and said and that's why in almost every other area you end up with nothing and I was like who said that I know who said that but that's really true that and I'm like well if I if I really want to have this life

of my dreams and I have the second half of a life to figure that out yeah and and listen you can start living the life of your dreams when the sun comes up you get a new chance every single day I love that every single day. It's a new it's you want to stay the old way. Do you want a new way? But very similarly, I had to say I can see that that the path to success. Otherwise, you're really sabotaging yourself. The path to success are lots of little things that feel good. And this like really spoke to me when you're like, you know what? I don't need to go manic on these workouts for 30 days. I'm just going to move every day. right some days all i can do is walk my dog around the block right that's it but like we're so bad at

the moderation the moderation is so difficult because we're like if we're not you know why it doesn't inspire you yeah the word moderation doesn't inspire you the idea of it but living the life of your dreams and manifesting your joy right is very inspiring yeah and really what is that what is that in the course of a 12-hour period when you are waking stacking up so many feel good moments that you're vibrating at such a high level that vibration is creating outcomes yeah sure that that's what we don't realize you know that those highs and lows those lows create outcomes as well sure so that's what I'm where I'm doing now I have a question for you was there a specific moment where you you hit your breaking point or was it a little a bunch of little things

where you just realized that you needed to turn it around I would say that it was over like you You know, you know, when Oprah always talked about it on the Oprah show, it's kind of like you're sitting there like everything's good, everything's good. But like there's the screaming and clanging and all these things that are like not working out really well. And I have a gift just like that old all or nothing mentality. I have a gift where I can go unconscious about something for years, for years. And it's just like, I don't know. I don't see. I don't feel.

I don't hear. Look away. Look away. i can't hear that um and and then all of a sudden when i have that truthful honest moment it's like oh god jerry oh my god you said five years ago you were gonna quit smoking right before i quit smoking five years ago you know that was the thing yeah here's what i'm gonna do and then i'm gonna do this and then i'm gonna learn italian and then i'm gonna do this and then a year would come and go and I'd be sitting there on New Year's Day going, okay, do I want to do all my same

things that I didn't do? Should I just rewrite them? Yeah. So, and, and that really is about self-sabotage. It's about staying unconscious and, and at the end of the day, you know what, what it really is, what it really is, is there is no matter how successful, how driven, how much success you achieve, there's that little self-love pot that, that isn't quite solid. Oh my God. I love that. Yeah. It's not quite solid because, and here's why. Take me to church here? I'll take you to church, girl. Um, I was, you know, Gary Vee, right? Crazy. Gary Vaynerchuk. He's the marketing madman. Oh my gosh. You're going to look him up on YouTube and you're going to like, oh, I can't believe he's probably in your feed all the time. Okay. He had, he, and I, I just like to attribute it because otherwise I feel like everybody's saying everything of everybody else's.

i was clicking through um instagram and i was like oh gary has a quote up let me see what it says and here's what it said and this is just when i was finishing the book i put it in the book and i can't stop thinking about it in fact i was with a group of women we were talking about it all weekend love yourself first love yourself most and the first one is like i feel like it's gotten a little cliche oh yes of course i know that you must love yourself first you must love yourself first before you can love anybody else. So I think we don't take that very seriously, but love yourself most. That has really been just ringing in my soul because I keep thinking about, well, what does that look like? Like a crystal that I'm turning around in the light. What does

that look like? Well, that's your daily practices. That's your attitudes. It's the tender voice that you're going to learn to talk to yourself with. When you put everything you do, your goals, your career your relationships uh your health and wellness practices when you put everything through the lens of love yourself most and you say to yourself there will be no human being on this planet who walks this earth who is going to love me more than i love myself you're kind of good then right because you're never going to let yourself down you're never going to betray yourself Right. You know, no one's ever going to be required to make you feel loved or lovable. All of a sudden, everybody's off the hook. Right. And you finally have that that nurturing, that support, that that count on through thick and thin that you've always been looking for. I mean, good luck, especially in LA. It's so easy to love Los Angeles where every pretty girl from

every small town goes to be successful. Um, there's a line, there's a line in the book that I will probably tattoo on my body at some point that I just freaking love. Um, which is when I Instagram, like you guys all know that I'm a crazy stalker on the Instagram. And then I saw this and I was like, Sherry, please be my best friend. I told the girls and they were like, it's so embarrassing when you do this and i was like i just love her um you said and i might be i might misquote you because i don't i didn't write it down i'll remember it says um i have been an untrustworthy steward of my own well-being yeah holy shit that is the most like me and every other person like i don't even trust myself to feed myself a vegetable yeah you know what i mean like

i can't eat like oh my god yes that was the hard reckoning like the reckoning like oh you know and that's you know here's the great news look how young you are oh my gosh you get this now you're just so golden so yeah so think about it that was that was a really it was a very tender a very sad a tearful heart aching moment for me to realize like what is all this sherry what is all this reckoning you've done you're looking across your life you've got this big fat career and well-paid and you know, the kind of bags you have, everything. And it's like, oh my God, I've been an untrustworthy steward of my own wellbeing. And once I could articulate that, I was like, oh, pain. And I sat there and, you know, of course we all have that voice in our

heads. That is, you're not enough. You, why did you do that? You're really stupid. You never, You always say that. You never follow that very destructive, mean voice. And I remember thinking, hush, hush, hush, hush, hush, hush, hush. All right, I'm going to find that voice that I speak to my English bulldogs with, Bella and Kissy, who I say, hello, my beautiful darling. Oh, my beautiful, sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet darling. And I just started to find that tender voice. And very tenderly, I just started talking to myself in my head, which is, all right.

so it hasn't been perfect but you've done some really great things and it's going to be okay and you're going to figure this out but this stewardship thing is something to take very seriously there's no one coming along no matter whether you're in love out of love paired or not no one is coming along that is going to be the steward of your own well-being and your happiness and your joy and your outcomes. You and you alone must sign up for that job. Oh, well, beautiful. Wow.

Sign it up sooner than later. This is the best time for us to be hearing this sooner than later. I think it is too, because we're really hard on ourselves. It's so competitive, you know, and we have done great things in our company and wanted to be our own bosses. And now that we're on our bosses, we're scared shitless. And it's so hard. Oh my God, I think you're so smart though.

you're so smart really thank you i also think we're also learning i'm talking we're taking so cute we're taking that in our tender voice yes you're so smart i think that i struggle with the most is that we know all these things deep down like we know these things but the problem is is it's like a drug this business and the feeling that we get when we find out we get some big deal right is like those high high high highs and you're like that feels so much better there's so much more celebrating that than feeding myself a salad and going for a walk like those the like highs of moderation and taking care of yourself don't I know it girl right so you're like chasing after those big exciting things and those exciting things rarely have anything to do with

the self-care yeah well I think um that's the thing to look at it a little holistically and that's when I say it's a little bit of a cautionary tale I'm telling you which is I had all the highs now you're this now you're gonna be running the book club now you're this producer now oh now you're executive producer you're running the whole show right you know all those highs and then you know more money and better things and dinner with tom hanks and right you know blah blah you know all that kind of stuff now you know we're all substantive enough to know that's not the be all end all but it is adrenaline producing and it is exciting and it does feel like yes i'm doing it that is not all there is.

Right. And, you know, I said to myself, which isn't applicable to you right now, which is being someone else's something does not a full life make. And so I would tweak that for you since you're entrepreneurs, that being a something does not a full life make.

Oof. That all these roles, podcaster, lifestyle brand creator, founder, um then it's not the same girlfriend partner daughter blah blah blah those are just those are the details of your life it isn't really the w as oprah would have said who of who you are it's you know if you if you are not in in those quiet moments doing those lean in little things that that's the those are the fires you're tending because the stronger and the healthier and the more centered you feel the easier you're going to be able to integrate all of this into a

real joy ride and not just, wow, that was really fun. You know, gosh, I really, you know, I really wish I would have done some of the things I was talking about on our podcast. So how did the book come around for you? Obviously, like the book club for Oprah was massive. You're a huge reader. And where did you get the courage? And then tell us the story of getting it sold. oh my gosh well it's a bit of a it was a bit of a f job for sure um i mean i i was very lucky that the editor that i met the publisher uh karen rinaldi at harper wave um she is in the middle of life and she's super cool like she learned to surf at 40 so she thought i had something interesting to say yeah and a great story to tell and lots of wisdom to impart so then i went off to

the races i go for year one and it turns out it's it's it's hard it's harder than i thought and you know i'm struggling and then like we're changing what the direction is going to be and and after a while because i have such respect for writing and such respect for like books it was a year ago christmas where on the night of christmas eve i was like i'm not gonna do this i'm just gonna give them back their money let's just cancel this whole thing i'm not doing it I don't really need this stress and I go to bed and it must have been like Scrooge

visiting all the ghosts of Christmas past, present and future because I woke up the next morning on Christmas day and I said wait a minute, how am I feeling about this now? and it was like, who gets to do this? who gets a legitimate contract

from a great publisher to publish their gems? you're going to sit down and you're going to tippy tap the keys and you're going to do this. And what ended up happening, once I decided that I go, yes, I'm going to do this. I'm not sure how yet, but I am going to do it. And I threw a bunch of miraculous coinkydinks. I run into a woman who overhears me talking at a, at a, at an event. And she comes up to me and she, cause, cause somebody was like, you know, you should really write a book. I'm like, yeah, I should, I should be doing it.

That's all my to-do list, right after vegetables. And she came up and she goes, you know, can I talk to you a minute? I think I can help you. She's written tons of books, but she's also a fantastic book coach. Oh, a book coach? And so I met her in Oakland. We stayed. My dear friend is the founder of Graduate Hotels, which is super cool.

And he gave us all this space. And we spent, like, a couple days on an outline. and then I just had to turn in pages every month to her and she'd write me questions and I just felt like I wasn't just sitting there by myself and then I said to myself

here's what I learned then it was a breeze it took me a year being the power boss woman who is an achiever are you able to put the book into the world without the expectation because now you're turning the tables

you've been the person producing Listen, I can't believe you like it and you read it. Yes, I have no expectation. You're fine. Oh, I have no expectation. Wonderful little things have happened. Apple just picked it as the audio book must listen. And I recorded it.

I was going to ask. Oh, that's cool. I did it. Well, because I've done the podcast, I could. Otherwise, I'd been like, I don't want to hear myself. Yeah. And then it was one of the number one releases on Amazon the week it was released just a couple weeks ago. So, and then I'm just plugging around across the country and talking to people about it,

which is very nice. Will you do more now that you've got it? Well, now I, now I'm not so afraid of it. Sure. Isn't that funny? Yeah. For, for being like the big boss, I get in an arena that I haven't done something before and all of a sudden I'm like incompetent and afraid, like, I don't know.

And I don't know. It's, I find that so interesting that you can still be, you know, that, that I guess when you're, and I'm happy to admit it, which maybe some people just don't, that you still, your legs get shaky in new territory. For sure. Yeah. The Lady Gang. I'm not letting you off the hook without asking you some questions about different things

that have gone on in your life. So first of all, who's the celebrity you hate the most? Oh, I could never say. Okay. You could tell the story without saying who they are. I'll tell you after. Well, listen, there's more than one. oh shit we know listen we know what that's like yeah it's like i care about how you treat the

team sure and so like i've watched that where people think you know like my my more junior staff would think that they had made real friendships and i'm like okay you know and then it was just like out of my way i don't know who your name is so that kind of stuff really bothers me okay were you there for the tom on the couch jumping i was what i was not the executive producer i so like me let me think i might have seen it on my little monitor in my office and honestly here's how i felt that's nice that is so great that is so great honestly i didn't understand what the hubbub was i thought you know if you're around him he is very enthusiastic sure in a very genuine way ask anybody on any movies that he's

ever been he comes to do the oprah show you know and i don't know what goes on behind the old scientology curtain but he comes to do the oprah show there's not a person he doesn't greet no he's such a nice guy i've had dinner with him oh oh i had dinner with he and katie and both their sets of parents and we played singing games like i'm like that's a salata family thing you guys do that oh my god it's like snip snap snip snap then you've got to come up with the song oh or you're out i mean oh shit okay tom pat all right okay um when it was the oprah's favorite things did you get to take a haul of favorite things for you so what would happen now i think it was different when i was ep but before i was um the the senior people the favorite things team

would divide and create these little packages for different people in the company so you know and they were always sweet they took they always took nice care of people and i say they they did and then i think the team still did it when i was ep that people would get little packages did you get a car no i did not get a car um okay what is one thing so we launched our own television series on e this past fall um and we were executive producers which was like really crazy because none of us had ever executive produced anything in our lives um and it was a struggle to be honest like and i think there's a reason why you start here and then you build your way up to doing that job but there's this whole new thing when you're the talent and you've created the show you get to

be an ep and i think they thought we were going to sit back and be like cool see you on set and we were like but who are we hiring to mic me like yeah i was like i want that person it was our baby that we were handing over right yeah yeah and so years of work what is your like being a woman in charge we're just talking about this the other night like we could cry thinking of some of the conversations that went down leading up to it it was really probably the most trying times not not for any reason or any person yeah just figuring out how to do it how to operate as a woman in charge in this business is really complicated it's not it's it's I could absolutely see how that would not be easy you know I had already been someone did the math for me I had already

been at the Oprah show first of all I was I was I didn't start there till I was 35 so I was probably 45 when she made me EP and I had already seen the lay of the land and it was a female heavily run company so situation so and the show was the thing sure that was the money right so the show got a lot of respect so um yeah I I didn't I didn't certainly have to deal with that but I did see after when we would develop projects and I would go into meetings like a jury salata yeah no Oprah sure and I'd be like oh my god they're so talking down to me yeah they'd like be like yeah that's not gonna work and I'd be like well oh yeah I think it might uh let me explain to you how it works in tv I was like okay okay so there's you know there's some there's some stuff to

through it that's for sure it's it's a it's an interesting challenge you know and um what did you learn from it well i mean we had never been tested more as the three of us the lady gang um but we stayed united the entire time even like the spice girls man well except that part where jerry left we were yeah we were really united and i think that that was the first time Because I came from the acting world where actresses will literally walk over your dying body to get to the next. So I think everyone sort of expected that from us. And the fact that we did that the way that we did, we'll never do it differently. Yeah, like people would come and they'd want to be like, did you see Kelty today?

She was so aggressive to Becca. And Becca would just be like, well, she has a point. Like we would, we never let them like shit talk. That was very, very, very smart. and here's another little little suggestion that i'm downloading right now there might must be a reason i'm saying this to you i was very friendly with two very famous female founders who i'm not going to name because i'm not sure i i can say this um that if it was private or not but very very famous and they've made gazillion trillions of dollars and what they did very early

on is they started going to therapy together wow because it's like shit comes up yeah you know like I can even feel that, you know, I've known Nancy for 30 years and every now and then it's like, you know, like we're in a little bit of a snit. Like, are you bossing me? Yeah. Yeah. Are you trying to boss me? But that's human.

Yeah. So you've got to, you've got to be able to work through that stuff for sure. And there's nothing that's more important to your success than the relationship of the three of you for sure. Especially. Yeah. I think I learned to trust my gut. You did.

Um, there were so many times where, and I mean the show turned out amazing and we loved it and like we're so proud of it but there's so many times where i'd be like no it's okay i don't want to be trouble right now like i i don't want to be hard like i don't want everything to be a struggle so i'm just going to sit back and like say whatever this time and then it would just eat me alive does it make you feel any better that i still do that really yes i know yes the worst yes because you know what there there is a thing and and i i really don't want to be difficult and trouble at every turn like you know you can feel when someone's like oh god there she is again with I know. And, and, and, and, you know, there, there's, there's a, there's the whole thing,

even in what we were talking about earlier, when you're really putting together that love piece, that there is a way to, to really not care what anybody thinks, but while you're still delivering everything you need to say with so much love. And I am still mastering that. Yeah. That's one of the things that the girls taught me. Cause I'm very hard and I can write an email at 4 a.m when i'm in a different time zone that can be misconstrued is very tough yes but like i'm like they're like just breathe like take a breath yeah talk to people reactiveness yeah like just calm down for a second i'm like okay but i'm just trying to get shit done but like my getting shit done can be taken in like a really aggressive way so you know you know what i

i've i had ended up with executive speak in email which is like do i really need to type the hey how you doing it hasn't been a bloop bloop bloop you know it's like that i just get to business and that's what nancy said she goes can you just put a little hay we did the exact same my god ask them how they are i'm like i don't care as few words as possible it's like it's like a slap in the face when you open it it is and i go okay you're the same we're the same person oh my god oh god um but it is is really inspiring and i will say like what you were talking about being a founder, doing your own thing. Like you've had so many crazy achievements in your, who you're beside or what show you're putting on. Um, but I hope that you understand like this book, it's

your baby, but it like really touched me. You know what I mean? Like you have your own singular thing that you've put out into the world by yourself and you should be really proud. I am really proud. I'm really proud. I'm really excited to talk about it with people. And, um, I mean, you could not pay me a higher compliment. It feels good. It's a big thing. Has anyone Has anyone optioned your book yet? Not yet. Because you need like a series or a movie. Do you think so?

Yeah. It's a great story. Okay. Well, maybe. Hey. Do it. Yeah. I love it.

Hello, Sunshine. I feel like that could be a good place for it. That would be really good. Right? That cute Reese. Yeah. She's cute. You know, I love it because it's like a woman making her way, but like at what cost?

Ah. Ah. Ah. Ah. The trials, the tribulations. And my last question is, you've written the book. Now that job is done. How is dating?

what's going on tinder i can't do it you can't i can't online date i can't do it i listen i can't pole dance yet so you know which is one of the prescriptions from dr laura berman i need to like excavate my feminine energy i need to pole dance i haven't been able to do it yet however here's what i do feel like i feel like interestingly when you just like bring all your most embarrassing shit out into the light, all of a sudden you're done. You're like this. You're like, here I am. Yeah. It's like, whatever. This is who I am. Same thing. Yeah. And so all of a sudden, I don't know. It's like, I have less baggage. I feel more open and I can totally feel that, that barrier of impenetrability, like all the stuff that I hadn't dealt with, you know,

I can feel it all dissolving away. And, you know, so like there, there are a couple of people that A couple of friends in the last week, a couple of friends who have like complete eligible bachelors. Hello. That sound like really nice guys. And I'm, instead of being like, yeah, maybe, maybe in Thanksgiving, would I lose 12 more phones? Instead I'm like, okay, which would have been my way.

Now I'm like, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, she's dying. I'm going to let you know. I have another question. Yes.

Any regrets in all of this? Millions of them. Really? Whoever says that, I just don't believe it. Okay. Millions of them. Are you kidding? Well, that's good.

Like every single day that I could have gone up and done a yoga practice instead of talking about it. Yes, I have millions of regrets. The difference is I'm not sad about them. I'm not mourning them. I'm just like, yep, would have done that differently, would have done that differently, would have done that differently. And I use all that as fuel for I get to do it differently today and tomorrow and the next day. Well, I don't think there's ever a point where you have it all figured out. No.

And you're dead. Yeah. But it's like, you know, I like the, I like the trying to go along as we go. Here's the big thing though. If not now, when? And that's something that Nancy and I say to ourselves all the time. If not now, when? If not now, when?

And I, I, I did do myself a little time traveling and I pictured myself at 98 with my yoga mat under my arm, my meditation cushion and my plant-based diet in front of me and saying, and thinking to myself, you know, you hit that moment, you were in your fifties and you made that decision that you were going to live the life of your dreams. Good for you. Yeah. Instead of gosh, why didn't I do it? Yeah. You know, I'm a little creaky. Why didn't I do it? Oh my God. I love that. Yeah. It's a beautiful way. Congratulations on everything. Um, the beautiful no, I mean, we're going to, you swipe up and all the things, but go get it right now and read it and love it and thank you for being here and if you want to follow sherry she's a very inspirational

instagram account she gives us a nice what are you calling it like when you do the rollers oh the velcro chronicles the velcro chronicles she's got the hair and the rollers she's telling it like it is um you can just follow her at sherry so that escalated quickly hey guys thanks so much for listening to the lady gang you can subscribe if you love the show and check out new episodes every tuesday and thursday on podcast one or wherever you get your favorite podcasts follow us on social at the lady gang or follow us personally at kelty at becca at jack bannock and head on over to our website theladygang.com to ask us a question sign up for our newsletter or buy all the cute lady gang merch you see us wearing thanks for listening and we'll see you next tuesday

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