LadyGang - LG QUICKIE: TIPSY CASTING

Episode Date: January 4, 2024

A rare look into the life of Becca Tobin! We are joined by Jessica Sherman of Jessica Sherman Casting and Jenn Presser of Break Away Casting. They are Hollywood casting directors and the hosts of the Tipsy Casting podcast. The ladies give us a fascinating behind-the-scenes look at how stars are made and fill us in on their funniest NSFW auditions, Nepo baby casting, and their strange connection to the LADYGANG. Check out our amazing sponsors!!! Jenni Kayne: Find your perfect home pieces and get 15% off your first order with code "LadyGang15" at JenniKayne.com   LadyGang is sponsored by BetterHelp! Visit BetterHelp.com/ladygang to get 10% off your first month! Progressive: Quote your car insurance at Progressive.com to join the over 28 million drivers who trust Progressive!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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presents the lady gang the hollywood girl posse with lady gang quickie here's kelty knight becca tobin and jack vanek let's make this quick today we have an iconic duo with us not only have these boss babes been responsible for casting some of your favorite tv shows and films over the years one refers to herself as a hobby baker who makes a mean pumpkin cheesecake and the other has an adorable tennessee twang and is currently using to charm the folks across the pond where she recently relocated. One of them was rescued from having to attend law school by Steven Spielberg,

while the other popped her casting cherry on a beloved and critically acclaimed film, Hannah Montana. But in all seriousness, they've each had well over a decade of experience as casting directors in the entertainment industry, have won casting and humanitarian awards, got really ballsy and created their own companies.

Yeah, and most importantly, are the rare birds in this situation who are actually nice to actors. And that's the real reason that Becca invited them on Lady Gang. Please welcome Jessica Sherman of Jessica Sherman Casting and Jen Presser of Breakaway Casting and the hosts of the Tipsy Casting Podcast.

Welcome. Wow. That was the nicest anyone's ever introduced ever. You know, Becca actually wrote that for you. I just, I got to read it. I don't want to like, normally I write the intros, but she was like, no, no, I know them. I channeled, I channeled Kelty.

Those were like, that's the style in which she, you know. Okay. Um, but also I was going to ask, I've been listening to the podcast, Jen, and I feel like, uh, first of all, I love when I can hear, like I'm from Georgia. So when I hear someone where it like just sneaks in a little bit of like a Southern twang, but the evolution of your podcast, I think being in London, I don't hear it. Really? Oh, that was crazy.

You know, what's funny is I will say that when I'm around, I'm very like adaptable of like when I'm in the South, it'll get real strong real quick. and I'll say y'all all the time, you know, throw it around. But yeah, I think here I'm just trying not to get the British lilt going. I hope that would be an interesting combo. Yeah, it's very Madonna. Okay. So I know Becca's the actress of the bunch. Jack would prefer to never have a camera around her unless she's like in a bikini holding Aperol spritz on vacation. I'm desperate for any kind of attention. So I just wanted you to know like that dynamic. And I'm opening the show today with a question about me um which is very fitting so you know before the the strike was happening

i got an email i was really excited about and they they asked me if i wanted to play myself on hacks um i'm an entertainment journalist and i think they were doing some sort of red carpet for the characters and i was really pumped and they were like what's your availability on these days we're interested in having you you know play yourself and i was like oh my god amazing and so i wrote back my, I thought I did a really good job. I wrote back my availability and I said, I'm a big fan of the show, which I am. Um, and then they were like, great, we'll be in touch. And then they were never in touch. And I know two people like that are peers of mine in entertainment journalism that did get called and they got cast. Um, and I'm just wondering what I did to not get

that job because I really wanted it. You wanted it too much. I wanted it too much. Was I, was I too quick on the draw should i've sent a headshot what happened guys my best guess is that it didn't have anything to do with no you got it's had to have something to do with her no most of the time things like that just kind of happen or either like you you went quickly and then they were like everyone responded within or they were like let's give it five days see who responds and then like pick and choose whether like again i don't know that your world too well but if you guys like if they already have somebody who looks similar to you. They're like, oh, maybe let's go with this other person or something like that. But I agree with Jess, most of the time it has nothing to do

probably with you. Yeah. Cause I think what our process is, is we're usually making lists of people that could be right for it. So we, we assemble a short list, especially in this case, and then we send it to the director of the episode or, or the showrunners or whoever it is. And then they whittle it down to who they respond to, whether it's the, like the physical look or whatever it is so i had again i feel like very strongly it had nothing to do with you well i'm available to play myself um done at any time so uh and you know it i'm really happy for my my other friends okay um all right so i listen we love hollywood and we do a lot of episodes called allegedly what's happening where we talk about things that are happening in hollywood but we

thought this would be really interesting, um, to show like the inside of like how stars are become and how your favorite shows get your favorite shows and this kind of thing. So can you explain in very dumb terms to the lady gang, what exactly you do for a living? Um, basically the broad strokes of it is that we have to know as many actors as possible around the world. And in the process of casting a show or casting a film is we, I like to call it, we create a, we curate a palette for the filmmakers to choose from. And that palette can change depending on the tone or the theme of the, of the, the genre of the project. So basically we make lists of actors we already know, or we audition actors we don't know and sort of mix and match of who would be

the best fit for the role. And that changes depending on, or that changes as we go through the process. Once we lock one person, then what we're looking for for the next actor might be different based on the person that we've just locked. So it's constantly changing through the process. Were you both actresses at some point or how did you, cause you're like, yeah. And you like, you really have a chaser dream story a little bit, which we love at Lady Gang. Can you talk about that a little bit, Jen? Yeah. So I, um, I literally fell into casting. I have, I'm very, very similar to Jack. Is it Jack or Jack? Sorry. Jack. Jack. Jack. Sorry. Um, in terms of, I hate being on camera, like even this is a lot like, um, but I like talking in

front of people, being in front of cameras, not my thing. So I went to like a film orientated school and did a lot of internships during school. And then right as I was graduating, like you said, I got a job on Hannah Montana, the movie, and it was in casting. And I remember going in for the interview and Googling like, what is casting? I don't know. Like, I'm just going to take a shot here. And my two bosses on the film were like, as long as you're really good worker and you learn really quickly, we'll teach you and you'll go far if you do well. And I started to rise in the ranks quite quickly, even just on that movie. But I kept even like kind of leaving and going, I was like, I'm going to go do production because I just never knew what casting was. I'd never wanted to

act. Don't really have those skills at all. I mean, I've tried, the best I can do is like reading with actors in the room, which I think I'm okay at, but if somebody else wants to read, you know, if I have like an associate or something that wants to read with actors, I'll always let them do it. But yeah, so I just fell into it and I kept kind of, like I said, kept kind of like going out, coming back in. And then finally, when I moved to LA, I was just like, all right, I'm in. I'm doing something right. I keep getting jobs. I keep kind of building my resume, moving the ladder. I was like, I'm in, I love it. And I love actors. That's the thing is like, because I've never been one, I find actors fascinating because I think it's such a different mentality than most humans

in terms of like, you want that, you kind of want to be the center of attention, but you also want to be somebody who's so not you and there's something that like drives actors that is like fascinating to me uh because how many other like professions you know where people stay in it for like decades and get like one or two jobs but still have such a passion for it by that point most people would give up on it but actors are like no i need it i let i thrive off this i love having it so that's how i got into we're insane i don't understand it it's like most careers if you get told no this many times you'll leave. And why are you still here? Exactly. I feel that someone, okay. So, so who, who's your, like, uh, I mean, I know you've had your hands in so many

things, but like, can you tell us like your greatest casting story? Like you found someone at the target and you had them read and they became, or what is like the, or your craziest, like most outrageous in the room you're like i can't believe this is happening yeah i mean i have a great story of in the room why don't i tell the in the room one and then jess you can tell your best casting story um i and i we talked about the podcast so i had a guy i was casting a movie called bad mom's christmas and within the movie there's a oh thanks there's a stripper role and we were reading it and like every hot 30 year old male was coming in to read for it which was like my heaven. I was like, you walk out into the waiting room. You're like,

what did I do to deserve this life? It's amazing. Um, and so there was one guy who is quite well known in my opinion. And as he has a wife who works in the industry, um, and he came in and he took his pay because like the, one of the scenes was like a balls waxing scene. It's like they're meet you. And he decides to halfway through the scene, rip his pants off. And I'm like i'm behind the camera and i'm like what wait i can't that's again one is against sag rules to do that wait was he wearing underwear like very little underwear like i wouldn't maybe say g string but pretty close like he was trying to chan them tatum it or whatever from my yeah okay oh my god and then he kept messing up the scene because i didn't get through him because i mean

if i took my top off and i see i don't know i think it probably you know messed me up and so then we're like we stopped him and we're like okay that was great do it again let's like start from the top and i was like this time you don't need to take your pants off like it's good we'll be fine i was trying to like make him feel comfortable not like awkward about it and he was like no i've already committed to this so he keeps them off the entire audition and i was just was like okay well we can't send this to anybody because it's against sag rules to send out any kind of form of nudity amongst yourselves or anything so i just kept being like what do i do and it's like you don't want to look directly at him is very awkward i love that he's like no no i've committed

to this i've practiced it this way it is in my mind this is how i'm going to get the role like pants are coming off but as an actor sometimes you get sides like which is basically like a scene which is your audition scene and there'll be things in it where it's like she sits on top of his lap and starts dry humping and caressing whatever and you're like you as the actor kind of have to decide like how far do i take this also even if it's written like and they kiss i've been i've seen people be like fully pantomime a makeout that feels weird to me and then i've had people just you know like tell me just bypass it all together and the energy of kissing is there but like you sometimes as an actor you feel no it's the most humbling thing

ever to be like i guess i'm just gonna take my creative liberty and hope this is right and it's usually not yeah i feel like i feel like being in the casting room has to be like the most vulnerable place for an actor and that's especially like if you're having you said that that guy was well known versus like i'm sure there is a bunch of unknowns like everybody is kind of at the same level and you're just like trying so hard for this thing and probably embarrassing yourself and like all these different ways like that's got to be such an interesting environment for you guys to be in like do you guys sense the desperation like when people come in i'm sure everyone's desperate everyone wants the job or you wouldn't be at the audition and honestly if

you're angelina jolie i would assume you're not auditioning anyway so like the audition process is like you're good enough to get the job but like not good enough to get just an offer so yeah so like do you smell and seek see the desperation or like i also still would like to hear jessica's craziest story yes but i think to answer that i think you know you can definitely i think that's what sort of sets actors apart is where they can disconnect from the nerves which are there no matter what, and to focus on the material. And I think a lot of that is preparation. But yes, it's very clear when someone is just, when it's so precious that they can't move forward. So it's hard. I don't envy, I don't envy an actor's journey by any means. I think

it's a very, and I think that that's, we have a lot of respect for actors and it's all about creating a safe space that you walk into that, that your actors can do the best work ultimately. yeah we don't ever want actors to feel like because we can feel the as you're saying you feel that desperation as soon as they walk in and they never book it's only the ones who have been like constantly auditioning that walk-in and they're like oh if i get this job great if not fine and they walk out and they like leave it behind those are usually the ones who book all the time oh my god yeah becca i know this are you acting like this is new information no but i am the chris jenner and i was like no no you gotta put the outfit on i'm always like you gotta smoke

the cigarette you gotta go and becca's like because for me in what i do there's only one job every five years and you have to like go after it but for her she's like no i go in i read if i get it great if i don't cool like and then i forget about it i never think about it again and i was just like it's such a cold asshole way to live your life but i guess she's she's doing it right kelsey wants her to method act for every single she wants me to like leave every job every audition every self-tape everything like like manifesting so hard where i'm like printing out pictures of myself and like who the love interest is already cast as like yeah we're all i walk around my house and i'm like manifesting i'm like that would send me into an institution if i was committing that

hard to all of these things now that jen and jessica said that you're doing it right i will never bother you again well that's the only way you can probably survive because it's like if you're putting so much stock into something and the chances are of you getting it are so low then it's like you would literally beat yourself into the ground and those are probably the people that quit because you can't handle it you can't like disassociate yourself from it hey jessica tell us about your crazy story who did you discover um okay the discover side of it so he so uh many many years ago i don't know how many years ago it's been because of covid but uh i worked on Star Wars, The Force Awakens as the associate. And it was a wild, wild adventure. We were on it

for, or we were contracted for 10 weeks. We were on it for 11 months. It was an investment of time to say the least. And so midway through the process, when we weren't finding what we were looking for, for Finn and Ray, for John Boyega and Daisy, not Daisy, Daisy Ridley, when we weren't finding what we needed, I organized a open call through the Midwest. And so I traveled for three weeks right before Thanksgiving, basically doing sort of American Idol style meet and greets and open calls, which I've never done before. And I would like to never do again. But like I was going on morning shows, advertising, the whole thing. And again, I'm with Jen. No, no on camera for me. very awkward, uncomfortable. But while I was going to doing these open calls, I was also going to

universities in the area and doing Q and A's and auditioning the kids in the drama programs. And it was really incredible. And I met so many actors that right after that experience ended up like graduating school and moving to Los Angeles, I think sort of because of it as well. And I met this kid at UT Austin and, uh, in the drama program. And he was a freshman at the time and he was so special. Like you just knew it. And like the, I, I looked at him when I saw him in, in the sort of Q and a setup, um, that I was like, this is a young Maharshal Ali. Like you can see it. He is so dynamic. He is so just bright and had so much passion. And at the end, cause UT Austin was strangely the one university that wouldn't let me audition

their kids on campus because they were, they had said like, our job is to educate them, not to get them jobs now. And, uh, whatever, it's a whole thing. But, um, anyways, at the end of it, I gave him my card and I was like, if you, if you do the virtual, um, open call, send me the, the audition directly. And so he did. and he was so interesting. And we showed his tape to JJ Abrams and he really liked him. He was like, he's not for the lead, but let's keep him for a supporting. And ultimately the Star Wars aspect

didn't work out because of scheduling and London and all of those things. But we stayed in touch. And so he did a UTLA extension program out here. We had coffee. I started sending him on like manager and agency meetings. Every manager that met him wanted to sign him, which I'd never seen before. And, um, he really had the pick of the letter without having a single credit on his resume. And, um, and since then he's got a manager and an agent, he's a series regular on your honor. He's and like this Chelsea's boyfriend. Who has your Keith? Yes. Oh my God. yes okay chelsea used to work for us keep her girlfriend chelsea okay so her so chelsea used to work for us at lady gang for like a very long time personal assistant first ever and then she

kind of moved us the ranks and she she still comes and does like some fun stuff here and there when we need her but like she would talk to me years ago about her boyfriend who was just start sort of starting out and she's like i'm so nervous i hear your stories of being an actress and it sounds like quite frankly, terrible. And I'm like, it is. And then I, you know what? I met him and I told her, I said, he's going to be perfectly fine. He's a star. He's a star. And the nicest person, because let me tell you a story about the nicest. Um, when we were going on our, we wrote a book last year and we were going on a book tour and Chelsea, we hired Chelsea to come and help us on the book tour. We needed like more hands on deck. And, um, we had something like

18 suitcases of merch and books and like all this stuff. And we were like, Keith is like, no, it's fine. I'll bring my SUV or whatever. And then Chelsea, you drive Kelty's. And like, so he took us to LAX and I was like, B, I was like, Oh my God, it's we're going on Delta terminal three, terminal three. And we get to terminal three. They're like, you need to be at terminal five. and we were like okay and keith literally it's 5 a.m and this man is taking the heavy suitcases and putting them on the thing and then running them between terminal three and terminal five and i was like keith i love he's the nicest person he's like salt of the earth this is freaking crazy bizarre what are the chances do you guys know his story though oh no well no so he

So he his family is originally from Zimbabwe. He the the family came here because his dad had a job in Texas and they were sort of transitioning to go. His dad had a new job in Canada, maybe in Vancouver. I'm not exactly sure, but they were their visas were expiring and they they drove up to Canada to move and they went through the wrong border, I guess. And they had to go across country to enter through Vancouver or through Vancouver. And when they got to Vancouver, their visas were expired. And so they were detained and they were all separated. And so this is this was like when he told me the story, I was just like a complete mess.

But so they were all separated and he was placed with a family that they loved theater and they took him to Shakespeare. and they took him to all these different like plays and stuff. And that's how he was exposed to the arts and like fell in love with acting. Oh my gosh. So it's like something, something that was so hard and challenging was like the best thing that, that inspired his journey now. And it was like, he, yes, he just opens his mouth and I'm like, you're, you're going to be something huge. That's all I know. Well, let me ask you this. He's so nice too. Yay. Okay. Actually they just house sat for me like two weeks ago and I can see their footprints in my pool. Anyway, long story short, um, I have a question for you though. Like that is the story. And I think what

you do is so important because a story like that, you go to the school, you meet this kid and then you, you've mentored him and helped him and set him up with the right people to have success. And that is, I don't, I want to ask you, it seems like that's very rare. And it seems like we're just being thrown children of other famous people and it's like well if you don't know someone it's impossible to break in so like what are the ratios of like how often you're finding someone who went to school and is like hustling in LA or you know didn't go to school and like or versus someone famous being like hey my cousin's kid can you see them for the role like what is the real tea going on because it feels like for me what I do and reporting on entertainment it's all nepo babies

Yeah, I think it's definitely I mean, for us in our process, it's a combination of the two for sure. But I think it's the sort of success rate like this. Obviously, the Nepo babies have a shorter timeline when it is leaping into fame, essentially, because they've already been there to some degree. And what we're doing as far as like mentorship and finding and mining these talents and watching them grow over time, like that is still a constant thing for us as casting directors and we are doing it. But it is the landscape of the industry is changing so drastically that that whether or not we get to cast people in lead roles early in their journey when they have no name value, like recognizability is a very different thing than than us actively doing the same thing that I did with Keith. Yeah, I was going to say like the nepo baby thing is such a like irritation to me, I think, because I think it just, it shortens their span of like how the hard work they actually have to

put in. And I don't understand. And they're kind of taught this mentality of like, Hey, my mom is so-and-so I should then be a lead instead of all the other actors who have to work their way up. They do the one-liners, they do an arc, they do a guest star, then they're series regulars. Then they move into film. Like there's, there is somewhat of a trajectory that could be had for somebody who's just basically starting. And you do find the people like a Paul Meskel, who just rose. He didn't, he jumped. He didn't go through all those processes and he has nobody famous in his family, but it is really frustrating. Cause like, I think like I have the best scenario of like Patrick Schwarzenegger, Schwarzenegger came in and read for me when he

was like 18, I think. And it was before he went to USC. And I remember his age, because the only reason he had an agent with one of the biggest agencies in town is because of his last name. yeah and so he came in and it was not a good audition like he knows that i know it everyone knows it and then he was like because i remember talking to his agent afterwards and being like hey like he needs some classes something like he does not have that like intrinsic like i'm now a movie star but he has movie star looks he's really handsome um and then he ended up going to usc and like doing stuff and i will say like i've read him since then and he's gotten better I still don't think he's like leading man, you know, Brad Pitt level acting by any means,

but at least he's gone and he like worked really hard at it. But I do think that road is so much shorter for people like the Margaret Qualley's of the world and Lily Rose Depps. Like they pretty much have it handed to them where again, I have so many friends who are actors who are just like grinding each and every day to get that one little break in. And that's where I feel quite bad for like actors who aren't, don't have that leg up And we're almost as a casting director, I go above and beyond to see 10 more of those people so that, cause I, it's not that I hate Nepo babies.

I don't want it to come across that way, but it's like, I, I just feel like it's not fair if you don't try to give the people who don't have the name recognition or who are just hustling, you have to give more people those opportunities to make a name for themselves. Yeah. Yeah. It's so frustrating. It's like, if you, I just remember my time from, from random acting classes in New York in LA and, and it was so crazy to see some of the most talented people I've ever laid eyes on.

And like, you know, when people argue about the Nepo thing, they're like, but they're talented, they're talented. And I'm like, they are talented, but so was this person tenfold in this acting class with me. And like, they have to have the resilience and the financial stability to continue doing that for maybe a decade or never to get the opportunity that market market quality has. And so it's like this, this, like they're missing that resilience and the grit that I just so respect in people who just work their asses off and came from a family in the Midwest with no, you know, entertainment background at all and connections. So it's, it's tough. It's like, it's not taking away from the talent that, that they have. It's just, there's like a million things in between

they didn't experience and like a badge of honor. I think it's a badge of honor to have had to do like 8 million auditions and get told no 8 million and you know, 7,000 whatever times. No, I really love it. I love it because it's also like, I think we live in this weird click, click baby world too, where it's like, you know, Becca and I grew up knowing each other in New York. We were both dancers and like, you just went in and the best dancers got the job or the best singers got the job and um and that really sucked having an audition against Becca with her beautiful voice and I would get kicked out and they'd be like please go home and I'd be like anyway it was your bad hair extensions I had terrible hair I mean there's so many things

wrong I can't believe I worked at all but anyway um I I guess my thing is like the best person won and now we see like even in podcasting even in in every single thing on earth it's like the most clicks wins. So whoever is going to click the highest actually wins. So you have to not only have a talent, but you also have to have like this insane Instagram following and this, like, it's just, it just drives me bananas. But then also like, I don't know, it's just such a reality, the reality, like there's nothing you can do about it. And how do you keep your drive and like ambition? And like you have listening to your podcast, it's clear that you both are cut from the same cloth and there's like two kind of two camps of casting in my opinion like old

garden new garden you talked about that too um but like you guys seem to keep your optimism and like your passion for why you initially got into it like what grounds you and keeps you staying and like doing the things like going to across the world it's like the country to try to find people and i want to go on the next trip with you and observe even though you're not doing it again. So fun. It sounds amazing. I will say, I mean, it's very hard to keep your optimism. I think, you know, in a, in a landscape that's constantly changing. Um, yeah, I, Jen, take the answer. You're like, it's gone actually. I'm quitting tomorrow. And I'm out. Bye. Mic drop. She's like, so Lady Gang made me realize that I hate this. And, um,

No, I think that's the thing is like, I love that. I love working with actors so much. And it's, it makes it so challenging, because there is that great divide within the casting community of, of the younger generation, just being as scrappy as possible to get the work and have the sort of, I like to say that equitable access to opportunities, not even getting the like giving us the job, because let us show you how great we are. But the fact is, is that a number of our, of cast and directors within our generation are not even getting the opportunities and not, but just to give it a shot. And so what ends up happening is like, there's an, there are so many offices that hoard the work and we, and for us, it's like a, it's a survival thing as well, because we, as actors do, as writers do, we get our health insurance from our hours of, of working. And so it's really hard to sustain having health insurance. And I think it's like one of those things that it is retaining benefits is so challenging

within our profession because there's not that consistency within the community. It's just like you're here or you're there. And, um, but I think the thing that keeps us thriving is finding that new talent and, and watching all the content that's out there and seeing who was coming up in the ranks in different ways and unexpected. And I think we talk about it a lot of having that openness to be surprised when you're going through the casting process. So I think that excites me and keeps me in it for as long as I can survive.

All right. When we come back, we're going to have the ladies play a little game called Casting Couch. It's not what you think. Oh, boy. eating well shouldn't be complicated but somehow it turns into recipes prep cleanup and half your sundae gone factor solves all that these are fresh ready to eat meals designed by dietitians delivered to your door and ready in just minutes no prep no cleanup no excuses and it's not just about convenience you're getting real food balanced nutrition and zero artificial stuff

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shows who you would put in the role now okay so we're gonna go bodyguard whitney houston kevin costner who i love on yellowstone so much so sad that he's leaving he's done that i love him so much okay i feel like they don't make him like him anymore oh my god i'm in love with him and he's like 75 years old and i would watch him all day over like a jacob aldori or whatever like i I think, and that maybe I'm just old choice. No, cause I just saw him and he's playing Elvis and Priscilla. I just saw it. Is he?

Yeah. Very tall. She's very tall. It's weird. Do you want to go Jess or do you want me to go? I'll go real quick. I think there's this, these are so iconic. And I think that like, who can be Whitney?

Yeah. So few people, but I think for me, and I'm going to steal one of Jen's. I think Cynthia Erivo could be interesting. and i was gonna say it was it was well the one that i was gonna steal from you was joe cole oh love him wait joe cole who's that he's a so yeah he's british he's on did you watch peaky blinders with killian murphy at all i mean he plays the like the third brother who's like it's it's killy it's like paul anderson plays the oldest killian murphy and then joe cole a blonde blonde yes he's currently the lead of gangs of london oh okay okay he i love him

but i i my hall pass is killian murphy so i was blinded by love so i couldn't see anything else um i would say uh taylor kitch would be my kevin hosner this day and age he seems like kind of like rugged yeah justice for what was his name ruffles on friday night lights oh um justice for tim riggins oh my god sorry i forgot no it's not ruffles i like this casting okay what if you were recasting ghost patrick a good one for that to me more yes so i it may be controversial i don't know Mine is Zendaya. Oh, yeah.

That's the Demi Moore. I love that. If you go that route. If you keep it, like, same as, like, Demi vibes, I would maybe go Daisy Edgar Jones. Oh, okay. Interesting. I could see that. Yeah.

I would go Rachel Brosnahan. Oh. Because she has, I mean, watching her in Maisel and then watching her in House of Cards, I feel like she's got the grit and sort of the softness that Demi had. and so that would be my choice okay yeah I like those hey Patrick Swayze wait oh yeah I put James Norton oh that I like that that's my favorite I'm obsessed with him right now I see he was in Happy Valley he's British yeah I'm sorry I have a lot of in the UK right now but he has that because I feel like Patrick Swayze is like the again he's like so manly but also like has a bit of a feminine inside with the dancing just like the kindness and like the core of who he is is just like a

decent human and james norton gives that vibe very he was so did you see greta gerwig's little women yeah he played the the husband not not the yeah he was so good that was really good that really was underrated yeah yeah um i loved it i went a little bit older for pedro pascal of course who's not love okay I was wondering where you would find a spot for him in this world he's probably coming

again yeah okay last one Christina Applegate in Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead and also the Bundys what was that show oh Married with Children Married with Children I feel like they're the same character but yes

I would go first person to mine was Florence Pugh. I have one very similar. Yeah. I put Sidney Sweeney. Oh, that's good too. What are the rest of the movies on the list I made, Kelty? Singing in the Rain,

Good Will Hunting, Mrs. Doubtfire, Dumb and Dumber. I feel like I had a good Singing in the Rain. Okay. I went for either Zendaya or Elle Fanning because that role is super effervescent. Uh-huh. Um, and then I went, uh, for Gene Kelly, either Andrew Garfield or Joseph Gordon-Levitt.

Andrew Garfield's a really good dancer, I think, right? Yeah, he is. Yeah. He's a pretty good musician too. He just does everything wonderfully. That's where I'm at. The Renaissance man. Okay.

Can I ask one quick question before we wrap? Sorry. And this wasn't on your list, Becca. Um, I, I want to know something. how often do you guys get like people from the bachelor and people from dancing with the stars and like do they have any hope because i was thinking when you said singing the rain it's like derrick huff is like you know he's the guy but it's like he also and i think he's the most talented person on the planet but like all of that comes with like a certain you're in a certain

bucket yeah and it's like can you get out of that bucket into like the serious person bucket is that possible right now? I think for the bachelor, um, cause dancing with stars is a little bit different cause they already have some cachet. So it's usually like old school people who are maybe reinventing themselves or whatnot. So you have like the Alison Hannigan's or somebody who might be able to like come back and do something. But, um, the bachelors, I have the funniest story cause I used to watch it. I quit watching about four seasons ago and, but I, I, they, we would always get submitted people from there. And I'm, I was just such a fan. I was like, I know they don't have a shot, but I want to, I want to meet them. And I remember there was like

And one villain that was, she was blonde, short, Corinne, Olympia. Yeah. So she got, she gets submitted all the time. And I was just like, yes, we are bringing this chicken. Hell yeah. And my assistant at the time was a huge Bachelor fan. And so she comes in and I mean, I don't even know what she was reading for, to be honest, but I was just like, bring it on.

I want to bring, I want to see what she's really like in person. And she was the most docile person that I was like, I was like, well, that was kind of underwhelming. Yeah. Well, maybe that meant she was acting on The Bachelor. Wait, I have another question. What TV show or film do you think was like the most, like absolutely perfect casting where it was just like undeniably the right people, no matter what i get asked this question a lot succession is mine oh so good hands down loved it that i don't feel like there's anybody who should have been right like somebody else i absolutely love that cast um i would say sex education to give props to our friend lauren evans because

i think she when you're watching the first season of that show you are there's every single character there's no version like you could see any other person playing those characters and so they're so authentic and i think she's done a really beautiful job of like in diversity and inclusion through the entire arc of the series um especially in this last season is just there's so much representation and so i think that just for the sake of like what she's done it's one of the best i think i would agree but i couldn't i couldn't believe when i was watching it in my mind the first couple episodes of the first season i was like jillian anderson is british like i can't believe she's british and i just have never even known this like there wasn't the thing where you're

like oh she's she's playing british and her accent's great like it wasn't even that i was fully in and i had to google it and i was like she's not british i feel like she grew up there but she also grew up in like grand rapids michigan like there's the two she has two parts of her life but she's like she can do anything i feel like she can do anything yeah she's and so can you jen and jessica and you um if this really tickled your lady ears ladies and you love the behind the scenes um of all of this you can get more you can listen to tipsy casting every week on apple podcasts you can follow their instagram at tipsy casting you can also follow jen and jessica you know what i'm not above you guys send in a dm to them right now try to get an audition um jen's at

breakaway casting i know i'll be doing that and jessica is um at j shirmey dot casting and uh ladies thanks for being here this is so cool thank you thank you so much for having us this is awesome but it's just fun you guys have such good energy about you i love it thank you love it And we will see you next Tuesday. Thanks for listening. The Lady Gang is produced by Alex Ingber, Steve Delameter, and Jared Monaco. Make sure you subscribe, rate, and review our podcast. And if you love it, share it with your friends on social media.

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