LadyGang - Nischelle Turner

Episode Date: June 4, 2020

3x Emmy Award Winning correspondent of Entertainment Tonight and CNN contributor, Nischelle Turner is here to to discuss the success and obstacles that she’s faced in her career as a black woman, making effective change in our country... oh and being friends with Oprah. Thank you to our sponsors!  Hammitt – Go to hammitt.com and chat with their team to mention you heard about them on LadyGang to get a special gift with your purchase! Caldrea - Get free shipping on orders of $50 or more when you shop online at caldrea.com.   See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Well, what is this? Welcome to the Lady Gang. That's amazing. Say that again. The Lady Gang. Things are about to change around here. Each week, we catch up with Hollywood's hottest girl posse, Kelty Knight, Becca Tobin, and Jack Vanek.

Hello, hello, hello. Welcome to the Lady Gang. I'm here with Becca and Jack and a special, special guest, Kelty. Take it away. Wait, you said you're here with Becca and Jack. You are Becca. Oh, my God.

Do you know why I was reading my name on my Zoom? Well, we messed up. I felt like that was my hello, it's Nancy O'Dell moment. Exactly. Hello. I'm Nancy O'Dell. Okay. Ready?

All right. So we have a special, are you going to do it again? No, I think we should leave it. It's right on brand. We have a very special guest today and I'm going to introduce her. Our guest today attended the University of Missouri where she earned a bachelor's degree in journalism and broadcast news. She is an Emmy Award-winning correspondent and weekend co-host for four-time Emmy Award-winning show, Entertainment Tonight.

But she's got three jobs because she's also a contributor for CNN, and she has her own home reno show coming to CBS this spring, hopefully. She began her journalism career in 1998 in Indiana. In 2000, she moved to New Orleans. After establishing her presence in news, she joined KTTV in Los Angeles in 2004 as a reporter on Good Day LA and an anchor for Good Day LA Weekend. she returned to new orleans a few months after to cover hurricane katrina's aftermath and she won the coverage won several journalism awards now she's also a sports fan you do not want to work with nichelle on a day when there's one of her games her passion and knowledge came in very handy when she joined fox's nfl sunday as a sideline reporter um she's also covered major league

baseball and basketball she's also been a host for extra on essence and in 2009 and uh which was an online entertainment show focusing on hollywood's most elite stars but honey she is an actress too appearing on the young and the restless and she's also a baby she's been named lastly she's friends with oprah she's been to oprah's house brunch she's been to oprah's house for brunch guys so welcome to the pod my co-worker and my friend, Nichelle Turner. Oh, my gosh. She makes me sound like she's friends with Oprah. She has a guest in her house. Actually, that is a very good story. That Oprah gospel brunch story is a really great story because like I totally got my mom that day. I had gotten the invitation to come

to Oprah's gospel brunch, which was beyond. But I tricked my mother and I was at home in Missouri and I asked her to come back and help me with my house. She had just retired. I said, I got some things I need help with. She's like, sure. So we come back and we get back here and it's Sunday morning and I'm like, mom, hey, why don't we drive up the coast

and go to a girl's brunch? Let's just do something fun today. She's like, okay, what should I wear? I'm like, oh, look cute. You know, we're going to be real cute today. No, and I never dress up. So I don't understand why she didn't even get it. So we drive up the coast, we're talking.

We turn, we get to Montecito. We turn into like the grounds that is the promised land where Oprah lives. And I just turned to her all of a sudden. I said, oh, by the way, mom, we're going to Oprah's house for brunch. She starts screaming and Oprah's Secret Service runs over to the car. That's insane. How does one get invited to a brunch for Oprah? Yeah.

And are you? I don't know. I still don't know. i still don't know i really don't is it like a paper invitation is it like an email um i got an email um with the invitation on it um and i was just rsvp like two seconds after i got it um but it was crazy because like i was there like sitting in front of me was diane sawyer behind me john Bon Jovi um like right across from me I'm watching Julia Roberts and her husband Reese Witherspoon and her family came in late but they all like trailed in it was her you know it was just really

one of those days where I'm like is this actually happening here is this really going down I mean we're sitting at the table having lunch and my mom's freaking out because like Shonda Rhimes is at our table and Sterling around and my mom's like I'm supposed to eat this fried chicken I'm like, if you don't eat your food and it was, it was one of those days. So yeah, a moment. Well, listen, and Oprah has been amazing to you. She's someone that has definitely, she's given you many interviews. She's always like back to you. And I think that's really cool. Well, I was, she hired me for 2.6 seconds. She was my boss for like two seconds. I know that wasn't on my resume Kelty yeah Oprah when she first started her own network um she was going

to do a talk show called best life now and um I actually was picked as one of the hosts Mark Burnett was executive producing it Oprah it was on her network and I got picked to be one of the hosts I was like a kid then I was like I'm not even sure I was 30 yet um but so it was like the biggest moment they were gonna pay me a shitload of money can I say shit yeah they were gonna pay a lot of money to do so it was like oprah's my boss mark burnett's is actually producing it they're paying me more money than i've ever seen in my life um the other hosts were cat cora kathy najimy and um this girl her name is laura pasada her husband is a baseball player jorge pasada but she's like an activist and attorney and she's dope she's latina she's dope and um

then they were gonna have a rotating person in which was um i don't know if you know this guy Wes Moore who wrote that book that Oprah loved it called the other Wes Moore so there's a man named Wes Moore that was in prison his name is Wes Moore and their lives collided and then Kathy Freston who's like a health and wellness um a person was going to rotate in we had everything picked out everything done two weeks before the show was supposed to start shooting um Oprah stepped in and said I don't know if I should have three talk shows because at that time Gail was still doing her radio slash TV show on OWN and they had just brought Rosie back. And so they were choosing between us and Rosie and they chose Rosie. And so our show got cut two weeks before

we started filming, but I will tell you, I got the, I had a pay or play, um, contract. So I got the biggest payday of my life without ever working. Oh my God. That's amazing. Michelle Turner, you know what? Who cares about the brunch? You got the Oprah paycheck. it was nice. Well, listen, this, this is, this is a, a week and, um, over the past five years of lady game, this is a life. This is a life. Yeah, for sure. Um, we've had, you know, a lot of different people on the podcasts. Um, we've had women of color in Hollywood and, you know, we've never really quite discussed exactly how different, um, their experience differs from our own as white women in Hollywood. And I thought of you and I thought in addition to your amazing

Oprah stories that this would be such a great conversation for us to have because I've worked beside you. I've watched you hustle. I've watched some of these, these things happen. Um, we've worked together, I guess, beside each other for like eight years and on the same show just for three. Um, and so instead of making those same past mistakes within lady gang and not acknowledging those differences exist uh we wanted to acknowledge those differences exist and i wanted to like have a conversation with you about them because we we've kind of been in the same room and i know one of the things i think of when i think of first and i hate to start it with like hair but i remember that you have done your own hair for like five years because there wasn't someone

that knew black hair and then i remember when our um the team switched up we had a conversation and I said to you, like, what do you want to do? I don't want you to have to do your own hair anymore. And you got up to make a change, which I thought was really a small step. I had to fight for that for six years. I mean, those are one of the microaggressions that I think people talk about a lot.

You know, the little things that people don't see that really are a bit of a slap in the face because in the six years that I've been at entertainment tonight, I was never asking for anything above and beyond anyone else was getting. I was asking for the same type of treatment. And they always looked at it as, oh, she's asking for more.

But no, if I'm a talent on your show, I expect someone there that knows how to work with ethnic hair. And just because you've never had an ethnic woman talent on this show before, a Black woman, they have had Roxy, but she also didn't have ethnic hair. But if you don't have a Black woman on this show, well, you do now. And there are differences and you have to acknowledge those, you know, which to me always made me feel like I was knocking my head against the wall because I didn't even understand. I'm like our head of production is a black man. How do you not understand this? But yeah, it was it was a serious fight for the longest time. And I got tired. I got sick and tired of being sick and tired. I got tired of the fight. So I said, I'm just going to do my own. And then this is how the microaggressions continue. The narrative, instead of it being, we haven't provided her with someone who knows how to work with ethnic hair, it became, she doesn't want any of our people to do her, which that's how like the situations and they switch up. And it would make me so angry because it's like, this is how, this is how, especially women of color get labeled in a workspace being the angry one, the difficult one, the one, and it happens so often and so quickly.

but the reality of the situation was I wasn't provided with the same and equal treatment as my counterparts and that's all I was asking for but I was made to be the bad guy because I was using my voice and standing up and so those are like little things that happen not those aren't even the big things those are the small things and yeah I did end up like getting someone in there but it really on top of that then it was not not believing that a a person of color doing hair could do everyone and I'm like are you kidding so it didn't flip that other way like well they have to be able to do everyone I'm like why don't you think what makes you think I don't even have to have a black person in here I just have to have someone who works with ethnic hair I don't care

who they are they just need to when I come in the room I need to see a hot comb I need to see some black hair products so I know they know what they're doing that's what that's it like but when I give people the opportunity I come in and I see nothing none of their products none of their tools that I know that I need to use for my hair I already know that they don't know so you know and why do I have to be the one that teaches our hair folks how to do my hair like it just makes no sense so yeah that was like that was a big ongoing fight and now we have you know great people in that are two ethnic people who know how to do everybody's hair and they are amazing and now our bosses are in love with them but i'm like why did i have to fight for six years for this

like it's crazy it is it is really really nuts we're gonna take take a quick break um and we're gonna dive in a little bit more in one second now back to the lady gang all right we're back um nisha i was wondering i want to talk about entertainment um and then i also want you to tell the story that you had told me um a couple weeks ago about being um what happened outside your house um because i actually think this is this a really great story um what do you prefer to start with do you have a great maybe entertainment like i i really want to know about, you know, we, it is a fight to do what we do, right? There's like 10 people on the planet that are doing the job. And we always say, oh, well, you know, we should support other women

because there are more than one seat at the table. So don't have, you don't have to take down other women because there's going to be enough room for everyone. But I actually think in the case of you, there isn't there's one seat yeah you know and and that that is actually also something that i've been grappling with i mean i am i come from the school of we can all eat like i believe in that i i believe in that to my core um but i do think that there you know we do have um another african-american host on entertainment night kevin frazier and i think that a lot of times like it's like oh well there is

a black person there and so that's good enough you know what I'm saying that's good enough or like you were saying in the space it's maybe you know I'm trying to phrase it

the best way I know how but I have always felt like I have been looked at as other and that I've had to work twice as hard to to get half the recognition and to be thought of as half as good um i mean it just just for an example i mean and think about this and i'm not disparaging entertainment tonight people go through whatever process they need to go to our our main host nancy o'dell left um entertainment tonight and they were you know bringing people in to test for the job as well as telling me i was one of the

the candidates, which that's a whole other story to be had in this space. But the people that they were bringing in, I would see people with no experience, but they were all white women. And I would say, if that were me, there's no way that I would have gotten a shot to audition for entertainment tonight. And my experience would be, I read the announcements in high school. like there's no way in heck it's a privilege that i'm not born with and that will never be and so it's those type of situations and and i don't i don't even i don't blame the woman for taking advantage of whatever opportunity she had but i think it's just as simple as it's a recognition because what i have have um experienced in a lot of in a lot of times having conversations

especially with my white woman friends, is not wanting to recognize that privilege that they're born with, and not wanting to recognize that there's an opportunity given that would not be given in this same situation. I mean, people see, you know, I'm 23 years deep in this business, 23 years deep a journalist at my core work my butt off and I'm you know now at entertainment tonight after being in the business for 23 years it didn't come you know when I'm 25 26 like people think that it should or and be upset or whatever and so it's a big difference I mean I know I look like I'm 25 but no I'm just saying I really do but seriously it's you know it's been a road and it's been a journey and I've worked my butt off and it does pain me to see and and just the lack

of awareness about the opportunities that you're given I mean I remember when Viola Davis won her Emmy and got up and gave this speech about opportunity and and was talking about how we just want the opportunity to compete we just want the opportunity for a fair fight and people acted like they heard her, but they didn't hear her. They didn't hear her really. And it's because people didn't want to hear it because either I look at it as it becomes situation where people feel guilty. Kelty, you and I had a talk the other day and you, you text me and you said, I feel so embarrassed. I feel, and I was like, what the hell are you feel embarrassed about? Like, there's no embarrassment in feeling like I need to do better. And I'm coming from a place

now of knowing that that's a win i think that if you really come to a situation now and say you know what i really i've been taking advantage of this privilege and not even realizing not even giving recognition to it i've been walking through this space like i'm entitled to do this that and the third um but if you come to a place to say damn i i need to check myself like that's a i think that's a beautiful thing and i think that evolution is a good process to come through i I mean, we're in a space now where there has to be a lot of listening, a lot of conversation, a lot of conversations that nobody wants to have. Like, I don't have a problem talking about race, but I do feel like a lot of my white

counterparts do. I had a very tough conversation with Cameron Matheson this week that he never thought he and I would have. But those conversations are needed. They're needed because there's a lot of pain. There's a lot of trauma. There's a lot of pent up, built up energy. I mean, there are times when I'm in that office in entertainment tonight and this is just the truth and I'm bawling my eyes out and I feel like it's a powder keg because for the 25th time I've had a microaggression of somebody, you know, being afraid or being, you know, to say something or like, you know, it's those things that drive me nuts.

They drive me nuts. And when it happens over and over and over again, and you're consistently dismissed and disregarded and feel devalued, like you get to a point where you just can't even take it anymore. You know, can't even take it anymore. And when it starts happening at every turn, like I've experienced it a lot in life. I grew up, you know, in rural Missouri on a farm. And most of the people surrounding me were white people. And having conversations with just my childhood girlfriends lately, they're like, we had no idea you really were living a duality, like a dual life. and that while you loved us you always felt isolated and I did you know and so I feel that way in the space that I'm in a lot of times at work as well and and you know just in in life in general and I actually welcome this conversation I'm actually glad that people now are saying all right let's hear it let's really hear it so I'm like if you want to hear it I'm gonna tell it you know if you really want to hear me then buckle up because there's a lot there there's a lot there and it's real it's not bullshit it's not like you know i remember you getting like the style oh here

we go talking about race again chip on her shoulder these things these issues are real and the traumas are real just like we all tap into if you go to a therapist you tap into the traumas from your childhood and how they affect you today how they affect your walk through life how they affect you know your relationships romantic and platonic like all of those things these living black in america my battery's running low so i want to plug this in but living black in america is one of those traumas that you walk through life with because society sees you as an issue from the beginning of life and that's a heavy burden to have i think you touched on something super, super important about, first of all, we're so grateful because we know that it's not your job

to educate us and it's our job to educate ourselves. So when you're willing to share and open up like this, number one, we're really grateful. But also number two, I think the message that needs to be loud and clear is that we don't get to choose how we receive the message. And I see a lot of people in our community that are, you know, this way is how I want to receive the message. And unless it's delivered to me like this, I'm not going to listen and I'm not open to it. And I think that that is something that I want our girls to hear is that you have to just shut the up and listen and take it however it's delivered to you. And you are giving it in a very gracious way, but that's not always going to be the case. And you, you don't choose how that's

given to you. Well, but I think along with that, um, along with that, Becca, I think that you, you also have to you do have to in your word shut the fuck up but then you also have to be willing to be very honest about if you disagree if you don't get it if you don't understand because it's not gonna be like i say well this is what i experienced this is this is that that and third and you're like okay okay okay i mean if you really don't get it if you really think i'm full of shit or if you really think like all you know all black people do is complain don't say that because that's when we work from a place of honesty that's where we work from a place of healing and it may be hard for me to hear just like it may be hard for you to hear me say

white women in this world and in this industry have a leg up three four five six seven eight nine ten times over me like if that may be hard for you to hear like really is that how she feels about me but that it's true you know it's truth and it's my truth and where I come from so you know I we also as persons of color have to be willing to really hear the things that are hurtful too if we can really work towards a place of healing I love this because so well said Nichelle you're just like a dream human I mean here's the thing about Nichelle I get on people's nerves all time listen you don't think we do yeah there's a lot of folks in that office like oh sure here she comes what are we what are we what's she bitching about today what's she mad about today

but but the thing is is that um you know i i think about you and i want to just uh explain to the listeners because they've been with us for so many years and they know that i'm someone that like never gets it right on the first take i'll make up words i don't know how to pronounce things like you know and and michelle i want you to understand that this is a woman who is so fucking good like you never fuck up you get it right the first time this woman on live television i'll never forget the first time i met you it was at the um what's the prom for the press for the washington white house correspondence dinner at the white house correspondence dinner we didn't know each other because you don't work at et yet and cnn had a live like a seven hour live broadcast

of this right here comes this woman who is fucking hair done black dress um just like the hottest person you've ever seen on cnn like you're like excuse me what she's gonna over the cnn crew like i'm so confused and she's sitting on this little stool and i'm on insider at the time and i have fucking little cut out pieces of paper of like obama and we're doing like a stupid shtick and nichelle's there and i'm watching her be on tv for six hours straight and i was just like holy shit that's the goat right there like that's the woman and she really is that woman and so you know yeah i don't know i i don't know i mean you i think that i definitely have a view on on what that is what the reason for that is um i hope that this time and space

can correct some of those ills for sure um will it i don't know but i do i want to ask all of you all because i think that you are doing a lot of listening but i i really would like to know when this all happened from the jump and then when we started seeing the protests and the unrest that followed the rebellion that followed um what were your what were your what were your thoughts what are your true to life feeling about the time and space that we're in and you know because i say this as well like i want people to be authentic in it with me like if you feel like you've done you know i'm not racist so i'm good like and you're in a good space like i want people to to be that way and feel that way i don't want anybody coming to a conversation like inauthentic or disingenuous

you know what i'm saying about how they're feeling and and and where they are in the space um so i wonder because i do feel like too i've had so i haven't had more of my white friends text me and call me than i have this week i'm like there's definitely in a shift i'll say i'll open this I'll say this. I've lived my whole life saying and thinking, well, I'm not racist. And so when I would see things in the news and I would see this, I would say they're, they're not mad at me because I'm not racist. You know, what this time has taught me. And honestly, the books that I'm reading, what I'm learning, what talking to people is that it's clearly not enough to just be like, I'm not a racist person, you know, and to treat everyone with respect because unknowingly I have

made people uncomfortable. Unknowingly I have done microaggressions to people without even knowing. I have said Beyonce is the most beautiful black woman in the world. Well, how offensive is that? There's all different kinds of beautiful black women. Do you know what I mean? Like little things from little to big. And this is a real realization of that for me and to be honest Nichelle I always felt like I was afraid to say the wrong thing and that if I acknowledged someone's blackness then I was being racist and what I have learned or I'm trying in what way so you mean like by saying Beyonce is a beautiful black woman that no by acknowledging like hey nichelle's black and things are harder for her or you know we need to

get her the hairdresser or whatever like coming out and saying you're black you're different than me felt racist like i think you know and i i look at that and and just in conversation with you know my tribe of black friends um because i have so many different villages um but my tribe of black friends we always look at that as you know the disingenuous part of that is when people come to you and say i don't see color that's bullshit that's what i'm saying you felt like that's what you had to see i know you were different right you absolutely have to see color is you see it I see it you all look different from me it is what it is it doesn't mean I'm gonna move through life any differently with you but heck yes I know I'm black and heck yes I know

you're white and heck yeah of course you do so that to me is like when I hear that first off I'm like get away from me because you full of shit get away from me you know so those type of things like I hate I hate that because that's what sounds disingenuous and I think that too i think white people have been like trained for long like you said like just don't say nothing just just don't say just i don't say nothing wrong so let me just sit over here and be fake and like not say nothing you know where in real life you're probably thinking this some bullshit and they out here tearing this this stuff up and see you know like those things if that's how you feel let's talk about that you know what i'm saying let's have those conversations because

i want to know where you come from and i know i would hope you want to know where i come anyway so i want to hear from you guys too because you guys haven't been saying much well no i mean oh go ahead go i was going to say like on top of that i think that collectively like the three of us feel for us it's just you know why haven't we been more vocal about that earlier and why haven't we been better allies to our black community because you know the last thing we want to do is you know make anybody feel unwelcome. And in our silence, we made our entire black community feel unwelcome in our group. And I think for us, there was just like a lot of, a lot of shame in that. And yeah, it's, I don't know. Well, we did, we screwed up by lumping together something that isn't actually

a political issue at all into, it's just an, it's an uncomfortable conversation, but it's about social justice and the unity of humans and so that was our biggest thing where we're like that doesn't fall under no religion no politics you know this is this is right and wrong and i think that we are really embarrassed to not have acknowledged that sooner and then jumping on what kelty was saying you know we were all raised in the i don't see color i don't everybody's the same. Every, I see everyone the same. And it's like, I know now that that is denying your reality and that's keeping us in this protected bubble that, that basically is saying we don't have any work to do. See, like we're going to protect ourselves and keep it so myopic. And it's just,

it's an individualizing it by saying, I'm not racist is, is saying like, it's not my work to do. It's all these other people that are the problem when in reality, we've never been lumped together as the white race. We've been lumped together as the normal and everybody else is the other race, the other race and all treated as other. And that has created a systematic racism that we have all been participating in, whether we're conscious of it or not. Nichelle, I know that it's very important that you do your Zoom workout with your mom. And so I want you to do that. But I also wondered if you could, if you can go back to this story about you've just purchased and renovated and I have lived through you this amazing

came over last week social distance we social distanced yeah they came over she has built and designed this insane house in a beautiful area and I mean it is it's fancy as like it's she got she has she has two dishwashers let me say that can y'all get on kelty night because chris knight wanted a glass of wine chris knight wanted a little charcuterie and kelty night was like no no we're okay we're okay i'm like would you let this man eat and drink and sit down somewhere and would you just have a seat please and just chill out for a second she's she's a robot she's a robot i was like why are you letting chris eat kelty no it's because i felt so bad because she's like just moved and i know how difficult it is to do et from home because i'm

right there with you and it's like i'm on these zooms i was just like you don't need to make a cheese plate like we're good i just want to see the house because i love houses okay so you this is a couple months before this you roll up to your new yeah yeah i was building at the time and i had actually just come from the elizabeth taylor um aids foundation event and um i was coming to the house to leave a check for my uh contractor for the morning so I'm like leaving not paying attention minding my own business locking my gate about to go get in my car and I turn around and there's a woman standing like right here behind me like right um on my back and I was like oh my god I mean she scared me I was like oh my god you scared me and she looks at me and she just says

can I help you and I was like admittedly if I'm gonna tell a story I'm gonna tell it like I really said it i looked there and i said bitch this is my house can i help you oh my gosh and so she was like this is your home and i said yes and i said did i stutter and she goes what are you renovating and i said what does it look like you know and then i knew where this was going so she starts going you live here well i've never seen you before and i was like oh okay so since you've never seen me i must not belong wow and so she starts going well i i can't believe you live here do you you don't know any of the neighbors i've never seen and so i just got i was like you know what i got time tonight i'm gonna i'm gonna let this lady have it and so i told her okay i don't

know the neighbors well how about heather across the street who asked me for coffee a couple nights she's so great and kathy who works at disney world she's such a gem yeah she's really good we look out for each other stuff or alicia and eddie who have all those chickens who always offer me fresh eggs or did you get invited to carl and julie's baby shower because i did bitch yes and she's looking at me and she's constantly continuously like looking over my shoulder at my house and i'm like you need to get yourself away from me and my home so she's like well whatever i have your license plates no no my god she did i lost my mind i lost my mind on my street exactly i lost my mind i lost it and then what she tried to do when i lost my mind on

her which rightfully so and we're telling her you're offensive you're racially profiling me this is disgusting like you know you're lucky I don't call the police on you get away from me and my home but I did tell her thank you for showing me your true colors thank you for showing me what I'm dealing with you know because now I'm not I don't have to go up and down my street and know that there is you know evil in my midst and you're smiling in my face but you're ready to you know be license plate Linda and call the police behind my back um and so she starts crying when I start telling her about herself and she started crying saying well maybe I handled this wrong no you absolutely handled this wrong because my thing is if you if you really didn't know who I was or

whatever which is fine which I find it hard to believe because my neighborhood is nosy everybody knows everybody else I'm the only black person who lives in neighborhood and they know I'm the girl on tv so everybody knows i just moved in here bought the house i've been renovating it for a year and a half everybody knows um but she starts saying oh i should have handled it different maybe i should have handled it different i'm like yeah you should have if you really had a question you would have come to me saying hi we haven't met are you the new neighbor instead you came to me like a criminal not like a neighbor right and now you're going to take this l today because you did that and so she starts then saying to me after you have aggrieved me and you have wronged me

why can't you just get over it I said I was sorry why can't you just get over it and I said you offend me you racially profile me three minutes ago and now you're telling me to get over it like absolve her of her disgusting behavior but that's like a symbolism of what like america has done we enslave you for 400 years you finally get civil rights in 1965 my mother was born in segregation my grandmother was born without the right to vote that's why to this day you will never not see me at the polls because she fought her ass off for the right to vote but but you have you know you've aggrieved us for hundreds of years and now you say get over it you should be it should be fine and we should be on your timetable of when it's fine

you know it's just like it that sat with me i think more than any of it like can't you just get over it well it's like she's gaslighting you yeah absolutely it's like wronging you and then making it your fault how you feel about it it's because michelle got in her fancy bmw a real fancy car and she drove down nice and slow yeah well i told her get her dog away from my house and then i did i was leaving to go to my i was living in an apartment you know while my house was being was being built and um i i was driving down the street and i stopped and i started going real slow and i rolled down the window and i was just watching her and i said how does this feel when somebody's just watching you how does that feel when I'm just watching your every move your

every step what does that feel like and she just starts crying do you need another neighbor to intervene I said no because you didn't need a neighbor to intervene when you can be in a criminal so no we don't but it's those type of things like that is a symbolism of a bigger issue of what's going on like I grieve you and then I tell you it's time for you to get over this and black folks are saying right now like yo this shit is still happening on a daily basis you don't come slap me in my face and then say I mean come on it just it was just a slap right get over it you know Nichelle Turner's just a man dying in front of our faces being murdered in front of our faces get over it why are you mad why are you so mad that you know things are you know you're you're

acting out and and property's being destructed why are you so mad you're like we just saw a man be murdered a modern day lynching in front of our faces that's why yeah and i don't condone rioting i don't condone any of that but i damn sure understand the feeling i damn sure understand in the rage I really do yeah Nichelle I can't thank you enough she's got like four interviews a show a mom workout and like for taking the time to be of course and our honesty and you really are the goat um this this woman you know is so talented and I hope you'll all head on over to Instagram to follow her not only for her amazing fashion but she's got like really cute kids in her family too and she's talking about fashion i wear cut off jeans and sneakers every day

listen that's behind the scenes that's lagging friends behind the scenes i'm talking about when you hit the carpet in a louboutin um i do love a louboutin i know that but i would say to you ladies too i appreciate the conversation i really do and i'm um you know jack and and becca i don't know you guys like that but I'm so proud of y'all for your book I'm very very proud of you I you know I ride for women who are doing big things and so I'm really really proud of the space that you're creating and I'm really um very very happy to hear that you have realized that maybe you haven't created the most inclusive space and you're willing to do the work to right that wrong and I hope that all of your women of color uh lady gangers out there realize that and come with

an open heart to say okay well let's let's start the healing now i love that so much thanks michelle um michelle turner is nisha i'm gonna spell it just so people can find it n-i-s-c-h-e-l-l-e turner on instagram and um just thanks thanks michelle thank you guys i appreciate you ladies yeah i appreciate you and uh i'll see you soon if we can ever go back to work just come over and let chris knight eat please yes all right we're coming for a cheese fine we're coming thanks guys bye guys bye thank you thanks for listening and make sure to rate and review this podcast wherever you get your podcast we have new episodes of lady gang every tuesday and thursday

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