LadyGang - Norma Kamali

Episode Date: March 16, 2021

The Queen of Style and fashion royalty, Norma Kamali joins the gang to discuss creating a personal style, aging with power and what it was like making some iconic Hollywood swimsuits for Whitney Houston and Farrah Fawcett. Plus, find out why she doesn’t believe in shape wear! Check out our amazing sponsors!!! Helix: GET UP TO $200 off all mattress orders AND two free pillows at HelixSleep.com/lady   CHLA Make March Matter: The Make March Matter campaign supports Children’s Hospital Los Angeles–a nonprofit pediatric hospital ranked among the top 5 in the nation on U.S. News & World Report’s prestigious Honor Roll of children’s hospitals. Check out ways in which you can make a difference this March! makemarchmatter.org  Evren: Get 10% off with code LADYGANG at shopevren.com  Happy Dance: Happy Dance: Get 15% off your first order at DoAHappyDance.com/ladygang  Hello Fresh: Go to HelloFresh.com/ladygang12 and use code ladygang12 for 12 free meals, including free shipping! Coors Lite: Get Coors Light in the new look delivered straight to your door with Drizly or Instacart!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Welcome to the Lady Gang. That's amazing. Say that again. The Lady Gang. Things are about to change around here. Each week, we catch up with Hollywood's hottest girl posse, Kelty Knight, Becca Tobin, and Jack Vanek. Hello, hello, hello.

Welcome to the Lady Gang. I am Becca Tobin here with Jack Vanek and Kelty Knight. Hello. You sound amazing, Becca. I know it took a while to get that mic working. It's like first time podcasting all over again. Guys, I hate technology. I mean, I love it because we're able to do this, but I also really nothing infuriates

me more than when I see that colored circle come up on my laptop and never go away. Oh, you're still having your laptop has a colored circle. That is your issue. Yeah, that's your issue, babe. That computer is old. I'm basically Bethany Frankel. I do not use computers, like only to do podcasting. I only opened my laptop to do podcasting. I was thinking about this last night, Becca, because I had my AirPods in and it made me

think about the time that you like refused to get AirPods because you're so stuck at using the old headphones. And I just want to say, I never bought AirPods, but I took Zach's old ones. So I still, he was going to just get rid of them. So I still have never caved, but he of course had to get the new ones and I just took the old ones. So I'm still old school. Yeah. You still won't contribute the money to the air pod. No, no, but it's ridiculous. And the fact that there's how many versions of an air pod now you Apple. Okay. Now it's time for good week. Yes, it is bad week. Oh no, Jack, go for it. Okay. Um, my good week I'm in New York right now. And my good week is that i have taken my first flight in the past almost a year and it was thrilling it's so

good flying thrilling being well just being at the airport thinking i'm traveling somewhere i mean i'm stuck in a hotel room and i can't leave for four days and after that i won't be doing anything either but like it was so cool to be at the airport thinking i was gonna go do something It was almost as good as actually, you know, having a vacation. Yeah. How many people were on your plane? Were there a lot? No, it was empty.

I flew on a Wednesday, which was good. So I felt very safe. I flew Delta. It was awesome. They do a very good job. So, and that was also a good week that I actually felt safe on a plane because I've been terrified to step foot on a plane. I haven't even seen another person other than Jared or my parents in the past 10 months.

So it was a, it was a good experience. my bad week was so i'm on the plane and one of the flight attendants comes up and talks to me because i was like a sky miles member and she was thanking me for being on the flight because obviously i haven't done anything with delta in like a year and as she's talking to me she's kind of looking behind me and i had my computer open she keeps like glancing at my screen glancing at my screen and then when we finished talking i had an article pulled up on my computer about says the different stages of body composition oh research that i was doing for work and uh she probably thought that i was a murderer so that was super fun that's exciting wow i don't want to know

about the stages of body composition ever if you ever decide that you do then i can be of help one of the greatest things that you've done on tiktok this whole year was your little like serial killer TikTok. I was like, Oh wait, I'm into crime. I'm into crime. Well, it's like a one minute murder thing. I'm going to continue doing those. Cause I actually, I feel like that's where my niche is. That's your niche. My niche is not dancing on TikTok. It's, it's describing different murders. So that's where I'm very excited because Ryan Murphy's doing Jeffrey Dahmer. Oh, he is. I didn't know that. I don't know. I'm really excited though. All right, Becca. Okay. My good week is that for not New Year's Eve, but for like this year's intentions was

to spend less time on scrolling mindlessly on social media because when I'm sitting on set because of COVID, you're not as social when you're on set anymore. So you're either reading a book, emails, but most of the time it's just scrolling on Instagram. And I realized that I must have been doing so many hours. I'm embarrassed. So I put the 10 minute timer on my Instagram and it's been about a week and I have not, I have not done more than 10 minutes on Instagram. Oh, you can time yourself on Instagram now? You can set a timer and then it says you've been on Instagram for 10 minutes. It'll like pop up, but you could do it for however many increments of time that you want. And so I did 10 minutes because that felt good. Yeah. I have an hour.

You have an hour? Oh my God. I probably spent way more time on Instagram than an hour. Just mindlessly. Yeah. It's mindless, but a good trick, if you're trying to minimize it, you don't want to set a timer. I started off in moving the app into another folder. So it's not this automatic, you reach for it, you click it. You're not used to having it in that place. We're so dumb. They've programmed us literally, it's slot machines. Our phones are slot machines. So if you put it in a different folder, inside of a folder and not where you're used to having it, you won't find yourself just like mindlessly opening up the app. So that will help you if you need any help. Okay. So my bad week is this, um, for my birthday every year,

my friend from new Orleans sends me king cakes, those cakes with all the little plastic babies in them for Mardi Gras. And I've been trying to do no sugar because I've just consumed so much sugar sitting around during COVID and my skin's been doing really well. And I'm just so thrilled about it and i received a shipment in canada of every king cake that they make from new orleans my friend vanessa put a fedex box the size of me filled it with king king cakes and i have not stopped eating sugar i am addicted like fully back back on the sauce i'm on the sauce and i can't get off with a king cake you said they put a bunch of babies they put babies in there like that? King cake has in the cake? King cake has one baby in it, right? But you said a lot

of babies. Well, I have multiple cakes, so there's multiple babies, but yeah. What do you mean a baby? Kelsey, you know about this. You have to. The tradition with a king cake is they put in a little plastic baby. It's the size of a quarter almost. And it's a naked baby and it's baked. they put it somewhere in the king cake and then i guess whoever gets the baby in their slice it's the lucky one is the lucky one so you have a money cake at your birthday when you were young a money cake yeah it's a big big thing in canada so you would take like a dollar worth of coins like quarters loonies like whatever and you'd wrap them in wax paper and then you bake them in the cake we probably poisoned ourselves and then you would

i feel like eating a metal like that is so bad to be eating yeah canada's dumb oh wait speaking of canada people are getting very angry with me for on the podcast by just you're about your clumping together clumping together canada as all canada and they want me to separate and say british columbia because they're like we don't go down to california and say that we're in america and i'm like well sometimes you might but i realize the canadian is the one who's always lumping in just with the broad canada so i'm just following kelty's lead the canadian well there's an east coast west coast fight and then there's the whole quebec situation so there are you know like east coast thinks they're the best west coast thinks they're

the best right but they don't like because apparently they don't like it when we clump them together in certain generalizations about, you know, Vancouver loves recycling. Apparently they're the only people who really are that passionate about recycling in the country. They're like, don't, don't pin me as a recycler. Yeah. God forbid. I live in Ontario. Yeah. Ontario. I just put it all together. Calgary. We burn it. I don't know. guilty um okay so i have a good week that is a bad week okay i as you know i am torn between getting this haircut that i really want and i was like don't do it don't do it and wait the shag shag yeah okay and so people have been like you you would look good you'd look good i don't know

and i just like i spent so much time growing my hair that i i just want i'm not taking this lightly, you know? So I went down a K-hole and I ordered like six sets of fake bangs from Amazon. And I had to order like many different sets because I ordered the first two and the color was not right. And so then I went back and ordered a bunch of other colors and like, anyway, so I got the bangs and I'm unsure if I look great or not. So I took a picture with them. I'm going to post it on the social media. And I would love if everyone can tell me if they think like i'm one step closer to the shag here's the picture well kelty that's you're it's not it's not even she assumed into her teeth let me just tell you

something that's just a bang isn't it it's kind of a bang i mean it's just to see i don't know anyway shag like layers that go down your face yes like a fair faucet well the bang was called on amazon is called the french bang so it has bangs and then it has like little pieces so i thought it would be this most similar anyway i'm just not sure but here's the real issue is that now i have one bang that kind of matches my hair and then i have like six bangs that are completely the wrong color and like they're non-returnable i don't know what to do with the bangs i feel like amazon will take back anything even like food they will i think i don't i don't know if this is returnable. So I, if anyone is like a dark Brown with a reddish, like mahogany

tinge and needs a bang, let me know on Instagram. I'll send you a bang. The trick with you getting this haircut is it's all in the styling. So there's people in LA who have really incredible haircuts, but if you go home and you don't know how to style it, if you don't, you're not edgy or edgy enough with it, then you end up looking like a soccer mom. Yeah. Which is going to be my problem because i go to soccer mom so fast and moody if you don't style it are you up for styling your hair every single day no because here's my shot shags for you the bang is going to be the bad week so my good week is that becca tobin inspired me and and and really influenced me so the other day this few weeks ago she did that robe thing on her head where you have your

wet hair and you twist the robe the hair around the robe put it with no dry hair oh okay well i took it one step further i did it wet and slept in it that's one step back no look how amazing my hair looks oh that's from doing it with wet hair it does look good hair i slept in it and no heat curls it's like staying all day it's so beautiful and shiny so easy and then i saw online that these people heatless hair are selling like a version of this that is like all matchy and very cute and made of silk or whatever but the fact that you can do it with a robe tie is incredible i will never wake up in the morning slept on my hair and then put a curling iron on it again if i want this hair i've tried it before and it was an absolute disaster for my hair really it was horrible my

hair gets so kinky and then it gets so oily if it's like not for me but it looks amazing on you I'm so beautiful. And this Becca, like for all the things that you've given me in my life, I think this is the greatest thing that I've ever. You're so welcome. It's better than all the jewelry, all the styles I've stolen from you. You know, the housewares, like everything that I've knocked off from you. This is most important. All right. Wow. When we come back, the queen of style is here. All right. I am so excited to share our black owned business of the month because this brand is freaking incredible everin so everin is a vancouver-based jewelry brand that puts the focus on offering high quality affordable pieces that are perfect for everyday wear and at their very

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She's also credited with popularizing the shoulder pad in women's wear in the 1980s. You're welcome, Becca Tobin, who loves a blazer. Her work is included in the collections of the Met Museum. And in 2016, she received the Lifetime Achievement Award from the CFDA and the Women's Entrepreneurship Day Pioneer Award at the United Nations. There's so much I could go on. The whole podcast could just be me talking about your career. She's got a brand new book, I Am Invincible, that focuses on the benefits of a healthy

lifestyles through sleep, diet, exercise, and personal style that will be released in January. Please welcome to the show, Norma Kamali, the icon. Hi there. It's exhausting being you, isn't it? Actually, you could be right. No, it's actually a lot of fun. I finally, I have to say when you decide the kind of life you want to live, and I decided I wanted to live a creative life and I'm actually doing it and have been. So I'm, I'm lucky and I'm happy to say it is exhausting, but it's, it's a good life. I was thinking about you and I was thinking about us and how in the last, I guess, probably 10 years, we've been doing Lady Gang five years.

It's become like the buzzword of the millennia, like a female empowerment entrepreneur. Like you can do anything. Now, when you started in this business, it was not chic. It was not cool for a female to be an entrepreneur and to start her own thing. It was like all the great men had a great female beside them, but females were not the entrepreneurs. So what was that like? It just didn't exist. I didn't know anybody that I truly didn't know anybody. And had I not made one of the big decisions of my life, I probably would never have started a business. I wasn't sort of an aggressive female. I wanted to continue making clothes and I was really happy. But you know, I got married at 19. So at 29, I started to bring clothes from London and

and started selling them. And I said, I want to open a store, we opened a store $285 for a nine by 12 space in a basement. And that's how I started my company. And he would he was a student. And he sold the clothes during the day. And then I started designing clothes. And and for some reason, I got a lot of attention, even though I knew I didn't know what I was doing. I got a lot of attention and the business did very well. And 10 years later, he obviously grew in one direction. I was so happy to have found this thing that I love to do. and um and I think he was threatened by what that I had this energy and that I was feeling

so good about what what I was doing to be honest at at that point I knew we weren't meant for each other but I have to say I'd already left him I was in an empty apartment with a mattress I didn't even have curtains. I had nothing. And I just remember crying so much. I don't think I ever cried as much as I cried. My face was swollen. I asked a lawyer about a few months earlier if I could take if I left, if I could take anything. And they said, you can't take anything. It's like theft, even though it's your business. If you leave and take it, it's like theft. So I couldn't take anything. And now I have to say, I really enjoy business. I didn't think it was my thing, but I, I like it. I think it makes me a better designer. And obviously women, the more women

know about business and finance, the more power you have. So that the, the notion of women not being good at business is still as you know there are a lot of women that sort of like shy away from it so yeah it's interesting that's not good you have such a strong personal style and i think your woman who who shops um for the for your clothes has this unique personal style but also you know it's just like a stylish bitch like i just don't know how to describe it it's like you just put the clothes on and you're like, I'm pulled the together. And I have no personal style. Becca and Jack both have amazing personal styles. Becca is very much your 1980s dream girl. She loves a shoulder pad. She loves like a boxy menswear. Jack is like, wears clothes that I've

never seen. Like for instance, five years ago, when we started this podcast, she would come to the podcast studio in like a cropped windbreaker from the eighties. And I would be like, what the are you wearing and then now they sell at urban outfitters and like every influencer on tiktok's wearing it so she's like that girl but how do you how do you how does one and i speak for the ladies of the lady gang out there listening who feel more like a kelty how does one create a personal style well you you have a personal style even though you say you don't lame ass girl no But that's how you want to identify your personal style. But that's your choice to be that way.

If you wanted to be something else, you would be something else. So your personal style is exactly who you are. So personal style doesn't mean innovative or provocative or bold. it it could be very quiet very understated and and there's a boldness in that too there's there's a very aggressive approach to fashion by disregarding it so i i always whenever somebody says i have no style it's like you have to be hello hello you definitely have style your style is to say you not have style your style is your style sucks comfortable no but but I look at you and when first of all we're all home right we're all sort of in cat I am in such casual mode that if I don't

get out soon on a regular basis my body's not going to know how to dress again and this is my game. So I got to get out. And we all do, right? But when I look at you, I think your hair, the color you're wearing, the lip color you have on, your nails, the whole thing. I think you have style. I think you have great style. Let's talk about the book. So February 2nd, the book comes out. It's available for pre-order right now. I am invincible. And it's not completely fashion. This is sleep and diet and exercise and overall. So what made you at this point in your career feel like this was the time to write this book? Okay.

So the book is basically a handbook for women. I take the center of the book and I divide it into decades. And what I do is I tell the story about what women go through in each decade. So in your 20s, how old are you guys? how old are you 30s 30s late 30s 39 no all right and early 30s early 30s and then old 34 is not early anymore I'm not 34 yet all right so so the book the emphasis of the book is aging with power and I wish I had a handbook and so I decided to do a handbook for women So at 75, I feel I have a little experience. I've been around women for 53 years. So I have a little insight. So I take the 20s. I talk about all the discoveries, the experimentation, the how far do you go before you don't totally make a big fool out of yourself?

what do you what is what how much pain can you experience in discovering who you are the whole 20s thing and I tell my experience about my 20s and I told you a little bit about them in the story about the marriage then 30 is huge as you all know 30 is a lot of tears are spent on 30 a lot of tears on the pillow like why is my life not where it should be right now where everybody thinks it should be at this marker am I am I missing out is life passing me by all of that anxiety but once you get over that and how you get over it really defines how you handle the rest of your life. It's really a very meaningful transition. 30s, where you guys are, is what you're doing. You're building your brand. You're developing and building and getting recognition

for what you're doing. And you're on that path. And now's the time where you put the energy in that but you're also thinking if you're not with someone or you're not married how am i aged out of the dating market is like being aged out is a big part of how age is looked at so i keep reinforcing aging with power is key I met my soulmate at 65 I went to an astrologer in 1970 who told me I'd never been to an astrologer she told me so much about my life my childhood she was scary she was so right on and then she told me about my career that I was going to have and then she said and you'll meet your soulmate at 65. And I said, I hate this woman. She's like, so wrong, not going to happen. And of course, there you go. And so I actually met my soulmate at 65. And I,

I will tell you, I was not ready to meet my soulmate at 35 or 38 or 50. I wasn't, I, I was with guys I had long relationships I didn't marry them because I intuitively felt like no I don't need to get married I'm good you know I'm fine I'm good with this but I really needed to work on myself and I needed to work on loving myself not in a narcissistic way but by really loving yourself you attract people who will love and respect you and if you don't totally love yourself and you have a little self-hate or just or insecurity or uh self-esteem issues that really pull at you you know that gets picked up really fast and the really bad people come to you like they like moths to a flame and they want they want to take advantage and so I had a lot of you

know fabulous experiences and being taken advantage of because I didn't take care of you know me and working on me and it took me some time obviously to get it right um but so I I go through the 30s 40s what you're coming into next is amazing you guys if you stay on this path obviously when you get to your 40s you cash in on your success you take that and then you you know that's your platform for you know who you are like you are who you are now but that then you're there and then 50 that's a whole other conversation about reinvention i love this so much and i love i love aging with power it's everyone's like aging with grace aging with aging with power is my new hashtag yeah and on that note we're gonna take a break when we come back

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be different from everybody else i'm a professional who has to maintain a certain style of dress at the office how can i still stand out in my fashion while not taking it too far what do you think You know, there's something interesting that happens when we're little girls. If you think back to when pictures of you when you were six, right, you probably wore everything that you loved at the same time, like every pink thing or every whatever. and there's a certain joy in just having things you love and I think nobody can pick out I can't tell her what would be good for her because she has to allow herself to go online I mean how easy is it to shop go online and what looks really great that she never thought would be right for her but somebody else just get it have it shipped try it on at home play around with your wardrobe and these pieces that you never thought you love them but you never thought they were for

you and then all of a sudden they can be for you but I refer to the six-year-old girl because she has no edits she has no you know no that's not right or she's just loving certain things and i i i don't think we ever took off the things we loved right so i think she has to go back to that six-year-old in her and play and how easy is it the internet just gives you access to anything at everything. Ship it to me and let me play and see if I like it. I love that. We have a major issue with that in my house. My God, the packages. Okay. I know. Okay. Next question. What else do we have now? We don't have packages coming to the house. What else is there? It's the only thing to live for at the moment. Literally the only thing we look forward to. Okay. Second question comes

from k-type number two i've recently been thinking about cal t 3.0 as i've been doing some deep diving and trying to get to the next stage in my life and how i feel about myself i need to glow up and move beyond the stuff i've been dealing with in the past few years things are finally turning around and i wondered if you had any other stuff you did actively or maybe just think about retrospectively that you attribute to becoming cal t 4.0 this seems like a cal t directed question Wow. This is so embarrassing that I'm on 4.0. Great question, K-Type. I actually think a lot of what Norma's talking about in her book is a little bit of that 30s where for me, I was trying to hustle so hard that I was not sleeping, that I was not eating, that I was not taking care

of myself at all because something had to give and I didn't want it to be career and I didn't want it to be my relationship. So the thing that gave was myself. And I think that, you know, that glow up is about, like you were saying, is just having the courage to like, take care of yourself and invest in yourself and your body and your health and your sleep and your mind, knowing that you want to be, you know, getting laid in your sixties and seventies and like feeling amazing about your body. Like that is so inspiring to me. So that's, it's kind of my thought is exactly what you're saying, probably pick up this book. It sounds like maybe we all need these decade lessons. Seriously. But yeah, I think it's just the attitude about taking care

of yourself, not in like a, oh my God, I did a sheet mask on Sunday night, but like really putting in the work to like yourself is the glow up. Yeah. I always cheat and I know that the people I surround myself are going to elevate me if I choose wisely. So I'm the type of person where I think it's a codependent thing where if I surround myself with people who are operating at a certain vibration, I will match that. So I will seek out people who make me feel good, but also inspire me to kind of take that next level, take myself to that next level. So I do try to go inward, but to cheat it and get there a little faster, sometimes I'll just try to surround myself with better humans that I want to kind of emulate. And that does

the trick it's like fake it till you make it gotta make them proud okay last question comes from tina xoxo it's a gossip girl my question is one i know a lot of my friends have too but i was inspired to send it can you ladies recommend some specific brands types or style names of shapewear there are so many options out there it's overwhelming and i feel like the ones i've tried don't ever work as well as i want them to norma do you have a go-to shapewear company that you use i i don't wear shapewear no i don't do it no i just don't i i is this a moral decision like you're not or comfort i i yeah i think there's something about shapewear um that makes me feel like i'm telling a lie and so working out is a really good thing and so

you feel um like you don't have this little secret that you're really not good enough to not wear shapewear so i think it does damage to your head it and i understand if there's an occasion where it like you got to hold your stomach in no matter what and and the dress is only going to work that way but overall the idea of shapewear to me puts a negative connotation in my head about my worth and and my body and my body's not good enough so um I really invest in working out and i feel better about it and that's why i feel better with my body with no clothes on than i would if i were wearing shapewear and then i like have to take that off and then everything i was hiding would come out so really cool so that's my my my approach to it is that

bullshit good information i mean i think this is really interesting i you know for me it's like i like a something underneath like a white pant because i just feel like safer in some things but i think this is a really great um again lesson pat to back to we should be trying to do everything we can do to feel comfortable in our own skin and like ourselves the way we are without having to eat. Yeah. But you're right. If, if it's under a white pant or some, or a fit for something, but if it's, if, if it's something you depend on and it's part of the way you dress, then I think working out more, finding different types of workout, changing the food you're eating And to be able to feel good, without that on is a real, it's a very empowering feeling. It's really, you know, and for me, it takes so much more work than it would for you guys, because, you know, I'm working against hormones and all of the other things that become more challenging.

But I really say sleep diet exercise helps with that. It makes a big difference. And it's not taboo against shapewear, but I don't want it to be part of the way I think about myself. love this well listen you have enlightened us you have fixed our lives you have told us about to look forward to our 40s and 50s and 60s and our sexy 70s which is like just brought a load off my shoulders i feel like my year of hot continues this is all for you kelty thank you very much um you can pick up normal's book i'm invincible it's available everywhere you get your books and um you know i know everyone who listens to this is on revolve so just go pick up those cute pants um and uh follow along on instagram and we are so excited to see you and have you and uh i can't wait to pick up the book and read all the chapters and keep my little bible

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