LadyGang - Psychics, Plane Weirdos, & Cursed Collectibles

Episode Date: July 15, 2025

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well what is this welcome to the lady gang that's amazing say that again the lady gang things are about to change around here each week we catch up with hollywood's hottest girl posse kelty knight becca tobin and jack vanik hello hello hello welcome to lady gang i'm becca tobin here with jack vanik and kelty knight hello hi hello what's up ladies this has nothing to do with anything, but I don't know if you guys know, I got my eyebrows laminated. It's not my good week. We're still doing that. Yeah, we're doing it. We're back. We're back because mine had like a butt crack. And so it was like the hairs that go up and then the hairs that go sideways and they didn't ever connect. And I kept trying to like really, really like lig it down with some

like product and it just never worked. So I, I did them and I'm very happy with it. you're laminated but i would like to ask you a question and this is a public service announcement jack when we were in new york a few weeks ago you had an eyebrow pencil and the pencil was so thin it was like very very very precise and i forgot my eyebrow pencil and i borrowed it from you and i would love to know what that eyebrow pencil is because i would like to get it um it's the best it's from cosas cosas i think that's how you pronounce it um they're like nano brow pen is it in the like yellow thing no it's purple it's like pink or purple it's teeny teeny tiny teeny so like because you know I like to dry on myself like a sharpie when I do my makeup and it was like

really quite beautiful thank you yeah Kosas I also love their deodorant though it does when I have a spray tan it bleaches my armpits but other than that I love it it's time for good week yes it is bad week oh no i'm going first i have a good week and it is you got the love one i got the love la boo boo so cute i got it it's the same guy that sent you yours what's his name raw kicks on instagram he's the best kicks on instagram r-a-w raw kicks thank you so much and i found out something very interesting the way you can tell a fake labubu from a real labubu is the real labubus have nine teeth and the fake labubus have 10 or 11 really why wouldn't they just do nine that seems like such an easy thing such a strange thing

probably a trademark thing also i will post it in honor of this i made a labubu movie where a couple weeks ago i was on vacation and one of the girls one of the daughters there's nine and she two Lububus. And I was going back and think, listen to what you just said. Yeah. I was committed to not being on my phone at all. And so what do you do when you're not like scrolling Instagram on the beach, you make a Lububu movie. So we took the Lububus all over the place to every stop we filmed. It's like a flat Stanley. It is truly the, my greatest internet work. Um, and it's on my Tik TOK right now. So if you want to see it as 352 views, so it's bombing, but um i just want to let everyone know i got my labubu and i'm very happy about it and i'm ready

for jack auntie jack send me some clothes you gotta get your own they're on tiktok shop i just got mine a mcdonald's uniform a labubu a mcdonald's uniform i just want you to know that i was on vacation with my friend and their three daughters not one of them over 13 and they had a labubu delivery and there were six of them that came and I was watching these little girls and I was thinking that you guys have mental health problems for sure confirmed because confirmed it is very bizarre like I don't know are you guys just doing that thing where you like want to love something so much you know like because it's interesting like I I do you have an emotional you have an emotional feeling when you see these like the way those nine-year-olds

did yeah I like Madhula Boo Boo because it's he's kind of like a little monster like I like if it was a cute like if it was cutesy and like a little doll I wouldn't like it but I like the look because it's ugly like me it's like an ugly monster a little thing that's why I like it and then I like the idea of dressing it up in clothes I think it's cute I think it's fun and because it's a keychain I wouldn't like it if it wasn't a key chain. If it was just a doll, I would be like, I have enough of them. But as a little friend that can come with me where I go, it's delicious. That's the only reason why I like it.

Yep. It's an accessory. And then I like Squishmallows because I can sleep on them. They all have a, there's a purpose. It's not just for decor. Yeah, it's a purpose, Becca. Okay, my bad week is I was on this flight and this man was absolutely insane. okay you know how when you land you have to stay in your seat and like stay buckled in until you

get to the gate and then the beep happens and everyone unbuckles and then everyone goes feral this man looks at me we did not talk the whole flight because you know I put on the blinders like the personality blinders of like I'm not here for friends you know yeah he looks at me he turns to me I'm in the window seat he's in the middle or aisle or whatever and he goes you might not he did all he says was you might not want to watch this and I was like hot damn are we like what the hell are we getting blown up like what's happening he goes I'm gonna have to do something stupid here oh my god oh my god like what is happening so he gets out of his seat literally the plane has just like bumped the ground he gets up to his seat he opens the thing

he takes his bag and he literally lands. And, but before that, when we landed, we landed super hard. And right before he gets up out of a seat, cause he had a connection or whatever, he was like, going to be off the plane first, all the way from the back of coach. And we land really hard. And right before he does it, he goes, wow, that felt good. Like how, how hard the landing was. I thought this man was going to go murder people in the front of the plane, but all he did was just want to be first in line which i understand customs is a bitch you know but wait what did he do that was going to be stupid as soon as the plane landed we were still literally going 300 miles an hour oh that he was flight attendants were seated we need we were not even close to the gate he got up

got his bag out and walked to the front of the plane i'm surprised he didn't get arrested yeah he should have been tackled yeah where where was our guy where was our flight guy air marshal coach um you know where that wouldn't have happened delta one that's because you don't have to run because you're already at the front i know okay who's next here's mine um so another remember how i was telling you about during christmas last year how ford is not like speaking of labubus he's like not into into the fantasy yeah no like the elf on the shelf was at our friend's house and i was like he watches them and makes sure and he tells santa and i'm like trying to get him in this you know this christmas spirit because everyone guilts me about it and he

looked at me like but he's not real like he's like this is just so stupid so he is so your child he's so my child and then we're so this is the first year he was allowed to stay up late enough to watch the fireworks because it's always like sundown and summer's days are so long that by that time it's like 10 p.m so I was like okay we're gonna do fireworks and we like talked it up and I was like oh my god he's so excited about it I'm like maybe this is like the first year I'm gonna understand like the concept of fireworks right like the magic of fireworks and I sit him down and we're on the dock of my friend's house and he's so excited and they start and he's like kind of into it like sort of for the first four explosions i'd say and then he's like

i've got to go get something i was like what are you going to get and he just gets up and walks up the dock and i'm following him obviously because he's a small child i'm like what is he doing like is he getting like candy to enjoy the show whatever he's gone up to get a coloring book and a box of crayons and he sits down he goes back down to the dock he sits down and he starts drawing while the fireworks are still going he wants nothing to do with a he's like seen one firework seen them all and that's exactly how i feel i'm like okay i saw three cool like let's move on so i just can't believe that this is not anything that went wrong in my childhood it's just simply how i was born that is so funny and i swear i never once at

any point was like they're so stupid i don't understand them they're so overrated because i'm not gonna like i'm trying to feel alive yeah kids yum yeah yeah yeah and i'm like i hope he loves this and then i'm gonna love it it's just like christmas everyone's like just wait till your kid loves it and i'm like well i'm still waiting oh my god i love ford he's like a little curmudgeon he is he's a little becca he's me he's literally mini you to the freaking t theory is that it's appropriate for the episode that we're doing my theory is that we i was told at one point in time by a psychic that i am on my last life so you know how we have many many many lives and she's like your soul has seen things so many times it's very hard to get over it you're not

impressed yeah and so i think that maybe that's for it as well oh my god i mean but when were fireworks invented you know what i mean like the good fireworks have only been around for 20 years so you think 20 no definitely more no the ones that they had like the ones that dance yeah they didn't have like the ones like you know the ones that like make a smiley face and then turn into a rose but maybe it's less the specific thing you've experienced over it's the wonder it's the wonder the wonder yeah you have no wonder you were around you were around when electricity was invented you don't need to see a firework so many exciting things happen in the world over the centuries that i'm like oh fireworks please lame please yeah that's that's so funny

um wait do you have a was that all that was it that was like i was excited to show him and you know yeah and he doesn't care um i'll go quick uh so my good week is i saw the killers recently And it's been a long time since like, I go to Jared shows all the time, but I don't go to shows. So it was very nice to see a band that wasn't Jared and they freaking crushed it. And I love that the killers have so many hits that you don't even realize. I'm like, Oh, I know every single song. I forgot about that. But my bad week is I can't like go to a show anymore without just like hyper analyzing the singer. So like the whole entire time I was watching the show and I was like brandon flowers google brandon flowers height brandon flowers wife brandon flowers cocaine

because it looked like he was massive amounts of coke up there brandon flowers arrest like i just like wanted to know every single thing about his life i'm like brandon flowers sparkly suit um and it just kind of like ruined the experience for me why don't you do that before you see shows so that going into it you already have all the answers because I'm not I'm not passionate about it unless I'm watching him up there and I'm just like now I need to know every single single thing about you like I need to know your life's history your relationships are you a father have you been arrested before like you know I needed to know everything because he he's amazing but he's very intense up there it only happens it has happens to me too with musicians and never actors like

I've never been watching a movie and been like hmm I wonder where Timothy Chalamet is from like I don't give a but if it's a musician they're so like mysterious and like sexy that you're like you want to know everything about him well and then you're like in the vicinity of them I'm like I'm 50 feet away from him I like I can feel his aura so like I just gotta know I need to know your life's work but yeah I don't know if that's just like it's like a millennial thing of us just can't enjoy nice things you just gotta google everything gotta google everything you know chris knight's uh claim to fame was when he was in his band lemon sun they opened for the killers really and then they broke up star baby then he left well at least they never got big without him

thank god that's oh my god thank god could you imagine i'd be so pissed oh i'd be so pissed it's like as big as the killer it's like the guy in NSYNC Brian who left you know yeah or the original drummer of the Beatles bummer bummer all right when we come back we're gonna get into the brains now back to the lady gang buckle up lady gang today we are chatting with celebrity medium crime solver and the man who connects this world to the next he's assisted in cracking cold cases with the FBI and regularly blows our minds on his hit podcast, Connect with Jonathan Mark. Whether he's sharing messages from loved ones, diving into true crime, or helping families

heal, Jonathan doesn't just deliver readings, he delivers answers. Calling all your dead grandmas. Welcome to the podcast, Jonathan Mark. Thank you for having me. That was awesome. Thank you so much. I bet you've never had an intro like that. Calling all your dead grandmothers.

Literally never. I loved it. okay so when we signed on we're doing this virtually when we signed on did messages start coming through already or how does it work no i kind of have to like get in the zone i try to tell people it's like um when i do readings people always seem like crack my neck first for some reason it's like a weird habit that i do and that's kind of when i get in the zone it's like my way of like just tapping in or just getting into this i i know i keep saying getting in the zone but that's like literally the best way I can probably explain it cool how did you realize that

you had a gift like can you give us a little tldr of your whole story yeah I don't want to bore you guys too much with it but um when I was a kid my aunt passed away my aunt sue she passed away and I was about six months old and she was like best friends with my mom like absolutely best friends they did everything together they lived in Queens together and before she passed she lived with my mom and my dad in their house and I was about four or five and it was Easter Sunday and I go up to my grandfather who was still here and the father of all them and I said Susie's here and he's like all right cool like sure because there's pictures everywhere and people still like spoke about her all the time so I definitely knew about her and I was like I guess I was getting like

frustrated because I was pointing at my clothes and my mom dressed me in denim on denim like Canadian tuxedo. Exactly. And I kept pulling out my shirt and I kept saying, Susie's wearing this, like Susie's pulling this. My grandpa was like, what the hell is this kid talking about? And my mom was on the other side of the wall, like by cooking for like Easter.

And my other aunt was in the living room. And my aunt was like, what the hell is he talking about? And my mom just starts crying, like hysterically crying and walks around the corner. My mom shares this story like all the time to people. and that's why i know it so well and um she basically walked in and told my family that you know when the service happened and everyone was going to their cars to drive to the cemetery my mom walked back in and they used to steal clothes from each other like all the time and

there was just one denim jacket that they used to steal back and forth from each other like constantly when they would go out drinking you know on stone street in the city and like everything. And she went in there and put in the casket to keep her warm inside and didn't tell my dad, didn't tell her sister, didn't tell her mom or her dad, because she wanted it to be a private moment between her and what was going on. So then everyone's like, what the heck is going on with this kid? What is wrong with this kid? So then eventually I was getting older and I was seeing things about my family, which I didn't really understand at the time. They're really intense things and I didn't understand it. And then as I was getting older and dealing with real life

things and kind of like understanding real life problems and situations that's when i was like holy crap like this is what this means finding out later on in life that those things happened to my family members from like another family member and um it was really intense and i wanted to be like a normal kid too so i didn't really talk about when i was like 13 i just wanted to drink honestly play sports and hang out with friends i'm not gonna lie like i wanted to be like what was perceived as like normal i guess so you know i was playing like lacrosse football i was wrestling i was doing like everything i was like i need to do the manliest sports i can do it's a blah blah blah but you know when i was going off to college uh people don't really know

this but when i was going off to college i was playing lacrosse and i was getting recruited to places and i i got recruited to a big division one school and like last minute i decommitted and went to the school that my dad and my aunt Sue went went to to play like lacrosse for them and it was just like a full circle moment and so when I was going off to school because I stopped speaking about when I was from like 13 or like maybe 12 till like when I was going off to college I went to my mom and I was like is there mental illness in the family because I thought I was like schizophrenic for a while right right oh yeah because I didn't really know what was going on and my mom's like no and I kind of explained to her that like you know I was still seeing things

And, you know, seeing things from my lacrosse coaches, from like my friends, parents, and, you know, it was like a little nutty. And my mom's like, well, I'm going to see this like medium, whatever, like I believe in mediums and stuff. So, you know, because for a while, my mom after she lost my aunt, I don't know. I don't know if this is like normal. I think it is now from doing this all the time. But she believed in it. And then her sister passed. And she stopped believing in like the afterlife and stopped believing in like, you know, what happens next, because it was so tragic. And it was so like intense. But my mom so desperately wanted to hear from her sister, like really bad. So she's like, I'm, you know, doing going to medium. And then kind of the rest was history, when it was like confirmed, I can do this. And, you know, my mom's been like the biggest advocate. But like, even at that point, I still didn't want to be a medium. I was like no I'm good like I still want to like live my life so it's it's been very like an interesting road yeah that's got to be hard trying to suppress something that just like keeps coming through no matter what no matter what you tried to do yeah it was hard too because I didn't know who to speak to about it that was like the hardest thing like my friends are not talking about that they're talking about like hooking up with girls and you know doing like that stuff and I'm like hey, like I see your dead like uncle, like, you know, like, you know, like, I don't know what to

do with this information. So it was a weird ride. When you say you see, like, how does that vision come to you? Yeah. So like initially when I was seeing my aunt, I was actually seeing her. So I was describing what she was wearing and like not, not in picture. So it wouldn't be like, I would look at a picture and see the same outfit. Like I was like describing outfits when I was a kid and my mom would give me like the necklaces I was describing, like pink rock. She handed me like a pink rock necklace that she kept like a beat up robe that she has tied up thrown in the closet she untied it and showed it to me it's actually kind of gross because it's like all like you know whatever but like just stuff like that and then eventually when I started doing readings it became

like symbols it started as symbols and I had to like learn how to interpret like another language essentially and then once I started like evolving with it it became like screenshots in my head to like tell a story or something. Wow. That's so cool. Yeah. So how did you get involved with fighting crime? Um, the backstory to that is, um, I was going to be a cop. So I went through the NYPD stuff. Um, you know, that was my dream, honestly. Um, and high level, like NYPD guys knew what I could do through like word of mouth and they pulled me aside and they're like, when we think it's fit for you to help us, we'll call you. Go home and be with your family and know that you're going home every single night. Don't make your family be stressed every single day about

this. So little to my knowledge, now I know, but they were sending me people once every six months to see how my gift was evolving. And then eventually there was this case, Katrina from Howard Beach, the jogger, and they sent me her cousin and I didn't know. And that was my like first case. And then when I helped with that case, then all of a sudden I get a call and they're like, hey, we did this and now we want to use you. So then from there, it became word of mouth, not just with the local police departments and like the NYPD, it became like the FBI and all these other like agencies too. So then I'm sitting at my parents, you know, having dinner. i'll never forget this we're eating pizza a very long island thing i know and i got a call from

like an unrestricted like phone number which i don't answer typically and the fbi called me and they were like um hey we're working on the long island serial killer case or gilligo by us and they're like you have 15 minutes impress us like that's literally what they said to me stop um so i stand up and i run to literally this room and probably in in the corner pacing back and forth um just doing the reading and i gave him a lot of information like about like the whole case and he starts to chuckle and he goes all right good and hangs up like that's all i got was like hold on how much did you know about the case because you're and where where was it in like the investigation like they haven't they didn't so it was back in 20 yeah so it was back in 2017

um and like probably 2017 2018 time and it was the first task force just got closed kind of like it was on its way to be closed um and a lot of what i was doing was bringing up an unusual r sounding name like not like a ryan robert like i've the only other rex i know is rex ryan the new york jets is like head coach so i didn't really understand what it was being shown but the thing that i was seeing which i think i could talk about now was the corruption on the suffolk side of things and i was naming all the people about the corruption before it was even public right so that's why he left because he was trying to deal with literally what i was saying to him plus additional information that i gave him wait so you didn't have like you weren't holding a bead

you weren't like he literally just goes long island serial killer go and you think long island serial killer and you got something yeah literally and it's it's really only because like he's been on the case for 10 plus years so he was so close to the case that he knew so much about it and he was able to he was like he was like the middle person essentially i was like i was reading him to get that information only because he was investigating like all the families he was doing like everything so he was really close to everyone so i was able to connect to certain people to get like that information from him like i if if he wasn't a part of the case i wouldn't be able to do it like it just it because he needs you can't just be like oh orlando bloom and katie perry broke

up like give me the info i wish okay i wish yeah so then did they take you on like like did you continue to work with them on long island serial killer yeah so like the weird part is is that after that happened the first task force officially got closed so there was like a two-year gap where until ray tierney came on and then they gave him the recordings to ray tierney and then that's kind of what happened. And then the, the night of, so like around two, 3am, I get a text and it goes great day for our task force. That's all I got. And then two hours later, they made the arrest to Rex. And I was like, Oh shit. And then after that, they're like, do not answer any press. Cause we're giving, you know, we're, we're going to talk about you.

So like, don't give any like press or don't, don't answer any like press. Cause they wanted to like continue the investigation because like people don't know like it's a crazy one it's not just like it's really really crazy so they're like just don't answer so i haven't been answering and i've been helping out here and there when they want my help i'm not like i'm not like knocking on their doors just whenever they call me i don't want to be like annoying or pester them in any way that's so interesting because i feel like there was a time you know 30 years ago where like psychics were like such a big part of trying to solve cases and then i feel like it kind of i'm not using the word debunked but like people just stopped taking it seriously so it's very

interesting because i feel like this kind of goes way under the radar of people like you mediums actually helping in true crime cases like that because so i have another podcast a true crime podcast. And my partner actually worked really closely with the Lisk case. She has a podcast called Unraveled that sort of dealt with all that. But anyways, it's just really interesting because it's like, you don't hear about it that much. Cause it's, it seems like it's kind of like a hush hush thing with how you work with them. Yeah. Cause I work with other agencies too. It's not just the FBI. So I work with other agencies and they're like really hush hush. Like they're like it's very weird how they do things but i had to prove myself and i think that's what people

forget it's like they didn't just like call me like i had to constantly keep proving myself with all these cases like constantly and that's why i get called on like i get two cases a week now from like law enforcement all over the world and families a lot of times the families will like connect me to the detectives and the detectives will like research me and be like all right let's do it versus like being like oh there's this weird kid from long island who thinks he can talk to dead people like let's figure this out like they research me like i had i have to go through background checks all the time for it you know it's people think it's like the movies and or like the shows when they like kind of portray like um like a third party coming in and doing it it's

it's not really like that so much what do you say to skeptics i just say to sit down me for 10 15 minutes and you know just let me change your mind through experience not like you don't have to look me up just experience it and make a decision for yourself i have a question because i saw that you did an interview with gabby petito's mom recently um what have you gotten from that and what do you think can you tell us the case really quick because i don't know the crimes can you give us like a jack will you give us like a little cole's notes yeah i mean so gabby Petito it's she's in the van what she was the one in the van right yeah it was they had like the it was the van life couple her and Brian Laundrie was her boyfriend thank you um yeah and they you know

the cops had pulled him over where he was obviously abusing her and they let him go and there were signs and then she ended up missing and then he ended up dying but that's what my question I guess for you is like did you see anything about brian laundry and like if his parents helped him out in any sense and like what are your thoughts on that so i worked on that case i worked on that like a long time ago that's how i'm very close to nicole and jim and all those people um i helped in many different ways i don't know if nicole wants me to talk about it so much but um yeah so that's why i interview her like like she she always wants to come on my show because like we've developed such a not like a connection like in a weird way it's just like i help so much with that case i've been

a part of that family like her other daughters her new husband her old husband joe like like everyone and like the fbi that was on it like literally everyone so we've became pretty close but yeah i basically said that a long time ago that the longies were helping they're basically telling people like you know kind of pretending you know to look here and then he goes there and to look there and he goes here and you know they were I I guess I don't have kids so like I can't really like speak to it but I guess if you have a kid that's in trouble most people would be like you know let's figure it out and bring you to the police and like figure stuff out together but like there's some parents that I've spoken to let you know have these unsolved cases and stuff and they

and they they it's weird because a lot of them sympathize with people like they're like I would do the same thing for my kid like i would make sure that like he was okay no matter what the situation you know is handed to to us so like i can't relate to that because i don't have kids so i don't know that like that you know that that protection feeling i guess like that but yeah um there's like a whole thing with like the civil suit that happened with them with that that you know i wasn't allowed to like talk about but now i guess you know there yeah so i do think the laundry's had something to do with like you know the like helping him like navigate what he was doing i mean because at one point they weren't helping then all of a sudden it switched and then

they were helping so much and then it was even harder to find him when they were helping so it was like a really weird thing but yeah i would say years ago that's what i said to nicole and the police involved well and the note the note from his mom yeah i'll help you bury a body yeah yeah and there's other things yeah and there's other things too like the gun being tied to someone like you know all of that stuff like you know there's just like a whole like laundry list of like things and when I was doing the interviews with Nicole um I mean it's it's all out there so it's it's not like it's not out there I think at this point but like I want to say like over a year ago more i kept talking about um you know gabby leaving to go back

because like like a big part of like that case after it happened was the why factor like why did he do it like like yes there was domestic violence like a lot of it but there's also like what makes someone like switch to go from like doing that and i kept talking to nicole and like the people involved about her going home to going to the carolinas to meet an ex-boyfriend and then like someone seeing a message on the phone and nicole would do the same thing she would laugh and not really know i mean it's literally like on my my show and she would like not really acknowledge it but smile and laugh and then she would call me and like tell me the details after about stuff um so i think that was a helpful thing for them to figure out

the why and then later on it was locating missing items in the van and finding out missing items in the van because there was three things that were missing and they're trying to paint a picture of like why those three items were missing because i named them they looked and they were missing so then they're like why were those three things missing aside from the mattress that i named it's like obviously maybe he dragged her on it potentially but there's there was two things that were missing i don't know if you guys have like crystals i i'm not like a crystal guy but you know those like really big rocks and you slice it has the purple crystals in it um there's a huge one in there that was missing and there's a tattoo gun that was missing

so yeah and they're trying to figure out like why those including the mattress why those three things were missing like it just doesn't make sense in like the scheme of things yeah yeah yikes you're listening to the lady gang so many people are afraid of death and the finality of that You know, what, what do you think when people say that, knowing what you can see and do? I was afraid at first, but then now what I, I guess, since I do this every single day, it's, I'm more at peace with it. It's kind of beautiful, actually. And it's really weird for me to say that, trust me. I completely understand like how weird that is to say. And the reason why that I say that is because I see everyone when I do readings in the, like their best version of

themselves. So like, I see the best version of someone. I don't see when they were sick. I don't see when they maybe took their own life or did things like that. Like I see the happy best version. That doesn't mean that they may have not done bad things prior to it. I just see the best version of that. So it's seeing that and helping people with stuff and, you know, it kind of validates like there's something else there. Maybe we don't know exactly what that is, like, you know, at all, but I don't know. It just gives me peace to know like people are like, or energy or whatever people want to call it. It's, it's still there. Like this isn't just it. So I'm just, it brings me peace. I love that. Me too. Um, do you think that we have the capacity to like connect with

loved ones or like, you know, we've had people on the podcast before they're like, Oh, if you see a butterfly, if you see an orange, like all these different things, what do you think about that? so i think everyone can do this just like everyone can sing but not everyone can sing like frank sinatra you know like everyone can kind of just like do like you know up to like a certain point and stuff um yeah like the symbols and all that stuff i guess i don't know i'm weird so like i'm like the most skeptical medium you will probably like meet probably um so like i need to see it to believe it with signs like it can't be all the time which you know yes like butterflies cardinals all that is amazing and i do think that it brings a lot of people healing

just like myself too when it comes to seeing that it is really nice but i need to see like concrete like numbers like things that you can't fudge up kind of like when you're driving someone cuts you off and it's 7 10 on on the license plate it's not like like that's the stuff for me that i'm like you can't make that stuff up you're paying for something and the change is 7 10 like you know like like that's the stuff to me that i'm like you can't make that up like like but you know again like the butterflies the cardinals all that too you like i think it also depends on the circumstance like if you're in a forest and there's a crap ton of like wildlife there the chances are you make you may see like a butterfly or like a cardinal or something um but if you're like in

the desert and all of a sudden like a cardinal comes it's like that's also weird too like you know like just certain things like that like i've i've heard people with their experiences that i'm like holy shit like i you can't make that up like that's that's crazy like like someone lost their parent on 9-11 and they went into the museum and in the museum they always on the loudspeaker will play people like like all the names on loop and he walked in at the time that his dad passed like he heard his dad's name on the speaker i have thousands and thousands of people and he wasn't even planning on going to that because he didn't want to go into the museum to see that and stuff So like, just things like that, where you just can't make it up and stuff like that.

I'm like, like, that's cool to me. Um, what's your, your podcast is amazing. What is your favorite moment from connect? There's a lot. Um, the Suzanne Clark Simpson case was my favorite moment. I think, um, I worked so like Amanda Clutes was going to come on my show. I'm, I know her pretty well. and she like texted like everyone uh and was like uh we we have the same manager like her and i you

know shout out to anjanik he's the best but um she like texted me she goes i have a you know i know what you do with the crime stuff like that's i have a case for you but i don't want to tell you what it is but trust me she's like it's highly publicized like it's gonna be great and she's like i'm gonna set you up with the person's best friend and i'm like okay and i didn't know the person's name so the person comes on and i'm like this girl's like 18 years old i'm like there's no way this is amanda's like best friend just like putting two and two together kind of i'm like there's no way i do the reading and it's suzanne's daughter and um i help with a bunch of stuff like i help decode stuff for her which then two days later aided in the arrest of her father so then

at that point um it went like all over the place like it went in the news um other true crime podcasts picked it up like really big shows were like this kid did this blah blah blah um and it was just nice because i was able to give chandler in real time really fast you know i can't bring her mom back and i wish i could for her but just some type of uh i think clarity and peace to some extent with something because she's still missing but to help with certain things to like pinpoint who it really was and like you know things like that to see the piece that it gave her was like um i think that's my favorite moment with that just to see her being happy with everything and just like a weight off of her shoulders and there's a lot of different

moments too but that one resonates with me the most with uh my show that's so sweet yeah thank you what would you tell people so i have so many friends that are very into you know the mediums the healers the all of it um and i feel like nine times out of ten they have these experiences where they'll like report back and be so excited and i'm like the skeptic in me is like well those are all things i can find on the internet and social media yeah so like what do you do first of all to discern like the real deal from not like what are some red flags if you're connecting with somebody for a reading or something um and like does it help to change your give them a fake name and call from a different number and like what do you what's your advice there i get fake

names all the time like literally all the time so i'm not really phased by that anymore i used to be like who's melissa and they'll be like oh that's my name i'm like but it says janet like and they're like you like like you know or like I'm like who's Brian and they're like oh that's me I'm like it says Sam and they're like you know so I think the biggest thing is at least from my perspective of doing it from like working with law enforcement and stuff like learning like what to to like help people with like the red flags I guess with it is yes or no like don't say anything really more than yes or no because the moment that you do is you're giving them information to piggyback off of it. So when I do readings and stuff, and people, you know, sometimes people can't help

themselves at a certain point. And I tell them, I'm like, I'm like, with all due respect, I don't want to sound like rude, but I'm like, you know, just say yes or no. Yeah. I'm like, so afraid to say that to people. So I'm just like, can you just like, not like talk too much about it. And I think that's like the biggest thing. Because I've seen, like, I was at a bar with my friends and stuff and this kid walks in pretending to be medium he's like i'll give you a reading if you buy me a drink right like oh my god yeah well that's a red flag jonathan i think it's red flag and he was wearing like a suit i'm like you're wearing a suit in a dive bar the hell are you doing you know like oh my god what a hustle yeah right and he comes up to me and my

friends who are all like you know they're all still on the force and stuff and you know we're like sitting there and he's like there's a woman around you and i'm like yeah no shit like most people lost a grandma. Like, come on, man. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's like, it's like one of those where I, you know, the biggest thing with me with like, cause I read a bunch of celebrities too, is like their life is so public, right? Like, and yours too, right? Like everyone's life is so public. So what I always do to try to get them to trust me is like, I'll pull in their first like makeup artists that died that no one knew about, you know, or their first like hairdresser that passed away you know things that isn't family related or maybe is family related but like no one

like speaks about them because then you see like they're like oh okay like that's um you know like that's not my grandma that i posted about three years ago on my instagram you know what i mean so that's what i really try and do when i when i do do that for them i just try to go like a different way with it just to prove you know kind of to let their walls go down a little bit and then if they come back to me like a second time then i'll do the readings where like maybe their gram maybe they want to hear from their grandma or their mom or their dad their brother or sister that their death is public but i want them to trust me first and then i'll do that that's just how i go about it i don't know if it's right or wrong it's just what i do yeah what i think is so

interesting too about you is that you like appear to be just like a bro like if i saw you like he's got a baseball hat he's like wearing a white shirt like you look like you could be like the jock in high school like it's like you normally what do you think of psychic you're like oh bougie and like you got like a weirdness like you like look like a bro that we would like you know try to set up with our friend on tinder or whatever you know and you're just like you're just like very non-descript which i think is like you know probably like takes people back well um listen i think it's really amazing that the podcast is really interesting you guys can follow jonathan on Jonathan Mark medium on Instagram and Tik TOK. The podcast is called connect, uh, with

Jonathan Mark. It's available wherever you get your podcasts and, uh, let us know if you see anything about us, Jonathan, I will. We're so excited to have you on the show. Thank you. Thank you thank you and uh happy happy psych hiking and we will see you next tuesday in our dreams social support from callie carrera editing from jared monaco producing from steve delameter and iconic hosting creating and being the gang gang of all gangs by becca tobin jack vanek and kelty knight kelty knight support by derrick haley