LadyGang - Rachel Zoe

Episode Date: August 31, 2021

The trailblazing fashion designer and business woman, Rachel Zoe, joins the podcast to share some of her best design secrets. Find out what it takes to be a celebrity designer as she virtually styles the LadyGang community and gives her opinion on Keltie’s iconic baby doll dress. Plus, one thing's clear, it’s all about keeping it classy, yet sexy.  Check out our amazing sponsors!!! Better Help: Get 10% off your first month at betterhelp.com/ladygang  Olive & June: Get 20% off your first mani system when you use promo code "LADYGANG" at oliveandjune.com  Omnilux: Use code LADYGANG50 to enjoy $50 off your first purchase here! AND at omniluxled.com  PayPal: Get $10 cashback on your first transaction of $20 or more at your local CVS and pay using your PayPal or Venmo app! Learn more paypal.com/lady  Chinet: Visit mychinet.com to find out more! Conair: To order your Conair Double Ceramic Triple Barrel Waver - go to Conair.com and search "Waver" Scream For Ice Cream: Visit screamforicecreamagain.com to learn how to sweeten your sex life! Make sure to check out the Jordan Harbinger Show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Podcast One, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

I am so excited about today's sponsor, Olive and June. You can get 20% off your first Manny system with our code Lady Gang. Your new nail life is here. Get 20% off your first Manny system when you use promo code Lady Gang at OliveandJune.com. We're done with the expensive bad Manny's. This is the new us, okay? Welcome to the Lady Gang. You're about to listen to our podcast, but there is so much more our community has to offer. Follow us at the Lady Gang, join our secret Facebook group, shop our clothing line, books, and find out when we're going to be in your city at theladygang.com we're so excited you're here enjoy the show well what is this welcome to the lady gang that's amazing say that again the lady gang things are about to change around here each

week we catch up with hollywood's hottest girl posse kelty knight becca tobin and jack vanik hello hello hello welcome to the lady gang i am becca tobin here with jack vanik and kelty night and kelty has prom hair i have hair is mercury and retrograde what's happening can we not we always start the conversations with mercury and retrograde and technology sucks we get it okay but let's not give it to our listeners let's give them positive vibes positivity okay so yes i did my rope curls last night and um i put them a little too tight but i have extra like curly hair today. It's going to fall. It's going to be greasy in like two seconds. Um, it's bouncy. I love it. It's beautiful. It's bouncy. And I just can't believe that I have a bang that is like

past my chin. Like that is never happened. It's almost to like, you don't have a nipple. I don't have a bang. It's like, you know, and thank God because my face, nevermind. I'm not going to be negative. You know, Rebecca, you've inspired me. I was going to say something mean about myself and I stop myself, I'm so gorgeous inside and out. Okay. Great. Be kind. Rewind. Be kind. Rewind. That's all I have. Maybe that's what we're going to do now. Every time we're going to say something bad about ourselves. Just stop. Stop. Be kind and rewind. Rewind your brain. Say something nice. Yeah. Seriously, seriously, seriously thinking about a boob job. Just let it go. Can I just say, listen, everybody can do whatever makes them happy. I don't care,

but I actually am a fan of like a halfway through being a woman. Like boob job. Yeah. Because we've gone this far in our lives with the same body, the same like for the most part i think there's something really exciting about like the second chapter being like yeah i'm gonna be this new person it's gonna be rad well that's yeah like a mid-40s facelift like just might as well just lift everything up have you seen martha stewart martha stewart's new face is incredible she's like 80 she looks insane i'm like it's all better than me obviously the vegetables but i'm really interested and lady gang listeners if anyone has had this done. I would not get the implant implant. I would be very interested in like the

fat. I hear that doesn't work. I actually know someone who did it. Really? Oh, they look so nice and natural. It doesn't last. Oh, it doesn't last. And also you wouldn't have anywhere to pull fat from like, no offense. And it has to be your own fat, I think. Yeah. Yes. You can't put a different person's fat in your body. I think at this point, just get an implant. Let's not get fancy. I know, but my mom had like some real sickness with the implants. I know that hers were like from 40 years ago. So I think there's ways to do it. Give it a whirl, Kelty. A girl that I did the Vegas show with had a teardrop B cup breast implant in that shape. That's like heavy at the bottom. And it was like the best boob job I've ever seen in my life. I know those

are nice. Um, I recently got this bathing suit from American Eagle, our sponsor, and it has like little frills and a little bit of padding in it. And it looks, when I look in the mirror, it looks like what i would look like if i had boobs and i love her she's beautiful maybe you should do it kelty give yourself a little birthday present next year what does chris think it would be like being with a whole new woman it'd be so exciting i know i think chris is really into boobs and nipples and i have those nipples that do not i can't feel anything i've like put electrodes on them before and i'm so crazy to me that's so crazy my nipples either mine are so sensitive like insanely sensitive yeah no i feel nothing it's all the it's all the plucking of the nipple

hairs that's really it must be the pasty wearing when i used to put like duct tape on them and like ripping it off now you can't feel anything yeah it's okay anyway okay well hey i'm excited for you i'm let us know keep us posted on this journey yeah i just i've seen so many bad boob jobs that i'm like oh no the teardrop thing and i actually know an actress who two actresses in hollywood many have who have that teardrop that famous teardrop and i know the doctor they use so you could just go to him all right we'll see it's not not cheap not nope nope um all right well it's time for good week yes it is bad week oh no who would like to join start i will go um my good week oh my god i forgot about it for a second so i have been writing a

story for lady secrets and for this story i had to go back and listen to an older episode of the lady gang at the episode with oliver hudson one of my favorites other than nico torlini it is like i knew the episode was great because every time that we talk about lady gang and people ask us our favorite episodes i'm like oliver hudson it was so great he was so fun we love a man because we like get along so well with like a straight man we can really rag on them um you guys we were we were like a hot mess and this wasn't even that long ago i think we were giggly and he's like such a flirt i know we're all just like giggling yelling over each other like i feel like we've matured as a podcast since then maybe people liked that frantic energy

yeah it was frantic i think we're still drinking every time that we podcasted should we be fighting over a hot unavailable man who's married again maybe it'll sidebar he's been doing episodes with his wife because like kate hudson is doing a movie in their normal sibling revelry like podcast she's filling in and they talk this and they go through the entire history of their relationship and how he was cheating on her the whole time that they were like newlyweds or the whole time they were engaged or one of those things oh my god and it's like the most evolved conversation and the cool they're a very cool couple and she's fucking rad like of course she is we could only imagine but right it's a very real conversation about like

infidelity and marriage and maturing and like it's so good I highly recommend she's great I love her as much as I love him really I love that he made a comment on the podcast we were talking about day drinking or something like that and one of us was like yeah do you does your wife drink he's like yeah she's dope she's a party girl yeah like yes I love this I love this for you guys I'll have to go listen to it. Um, okay. So my bad week is, so I have had like some recent trips that I have gone on and every single one of these trips that I've stayed at a hotel, the pillows in the hotel are too thick. They're too high. They're too fluffy. And it has ruined my entire sleep. Like I can't sleep at all because I can't sleep anyways. The pillow doesn't help it.

So I have now become the person that I have to bring my own pillow on trips. oh my god and i'm so dumb i'm going on a flight tomorrow and i'm gonna have to bring my little squish my squishy pillow from home on the plane like i'm five years old you're gonna pack it you know why you better pack that there's nothing worse i know i was in a dirty it's so dirty two days ago airport bathroom and there's a grown-ass woman with a fuzzy blanket and i'm like bitch i'm not bringing that thing or learn to layer on an airplane i i'm not bringing it for comfort for the flight i'm bringing it for post flight then you need to pack it in your suitcase or amazon yourself a new pillow to every place you're going yeah it's like

you cannot jack we forbid you to underarm a pillow i have it i have it sitting right next to my backpack right now it's gonna get so gross why are you packing it because i overpack as it is like every time i go on a trip is like the first time i've ever traveled if anybody sees jack panic in the LAX airport with a fucking pillow under her arm. Shame the shit out of her. I knew this was bad. Like I knew this would be a bad thing. I'm going to try to squish it into my backpack, but if not, I will just Amazon myself one, but I'm going four different places in like two weeks. Then you need to take out a fucking crop top and put the pillow in. You need to do the fucking Joey from friends and wear 18 layers of clothing just to get that pillow in your

suitcase yeah i demand it okay okay fine i'll figure out a solution you shamed me into this i demand it you just layer all those crop tops you're wearing a crop top as a crop top belt size yeah your clothes are dolls it's not even that it's i have a problem that no matter what size my suitcase is i will pack it to the brim if i'm going somewhere for one day and i have a full-size suitcase there's going to be my whole closet's going to be in there i can't not overpack wow but I'll figure this out so you're just talking about how we had grown and matured and then you tried to bring a pillow on an airplane I was I really was embarrassed about it so I'm glad that I brought it up so thanks guys how did you not even I don't like your name

was Mackenzie and you were six yes I know it's embarrassing okay I get it embarrassing I'll figure it out I don't understand I listen if you're a nervous liar bad enough no no no I need women to not feel judged and shamed, even though that's our whole point in what we're doing right now. But I get it. I've been the lunatic with like an emotional support animal at times. So I guess it's, you know, it's to each their own. If you need to get on that plane with your emotional support blankie, that sucks for you. No, it's not for, it's for her to sleep. But that real issue is here is the dirt real issue is that you think a pillow that is too full is uncomfortable i have the opposite problem when i go to a hilton garden in and i put my head on the thing and it just

it's like hundreds of heads that's all i want on this and it's flat who wants that pillow a stomach sleeper me yeah stomach sleeper i have to have like basically no pillow just like two feathers Also, let me just say, here's another thing. It's very rude to bring a pillow and a blanket on an airplane, but it's a pillow. I don't want to sit next to someone who not only themselves is droplets are coming out of their mouth and they're human and humans are disgusting. I don't want to sit next to the pillow that you sleep on every night and I don't need that pillow climbing over onto my knee and shedding all your dead skin and all your saliva, all your dust mites and your dust mites. So you guys, it's a, it's a hygienic thing. It's no judgment if you need your things, but it's really disgusting.

I agree. This is why I was in a conundrum. Cause I'm like, I literally won't sleep if I don't have it, but I know these, I agree with all these issues and i judge the people that bring pillows on the flights too so like i'm glad that we had this conversation i can't believe you even entertained this we've trained you better than this i know this is why i was embarrassed to bring it up okay well sorry i had to do that next okay really bad timing considering the girl with like the horse blanket coming out of the stall at the bathroom two days ago really triggered me so you just got me riled

up again. Okay. So I'll go next. My bad week is I obviously have a new puppy and Barbara is very rambunctious and she fractured her leg. I saw her little cat. She was in a cast. It was a whole thing. Zach always tells me that I'm overreacting. And so Friday night at 10 PM, I was like, I'm not overreacting. It's very swollen. She's limping. I'm taking her to the vet. I obviously was right. because I'm always right with these things. And he acknowledged to me that I am always right. So it's very exciting to hear that from my husband. It's really a bummer. And then I had to make an appointment to see a, an orthopedic like surgeon to make sure she didn't need surgery for her freaking leg as a 14 week old puppy. So it's been a little over a week since this whole thing went

down. And I did a healing, a healing session on Babs and I lit a candle. Yes. I lit a candle the other day. I w I was stoned and I was like, you know what? I'm going to pull out all the stops. Cause I do not want to have a puppy go under anesthesia and have surgery, even though I know she's going to get spayed eventually, whatever, but like, let's eliminate it. And also I don't want to spend what? $5,000 on puppy surgery. So I smoked some weed. I lit a candle and I had an energy healing. And I said, please, please, please. I know puppies heal quickly, but please, when we go to get x-rays, can this be magically fixed? And I saw the x-ray, her bone was out, out of place. Like there's no way the splint kept it in check. She's been

running around like a maniac. Guess what? Today, x-rays, the doctor calls me. He says, you know what? Looks like it's healed. I don't see the original break of the wrist. Wow. Maybe you should take up a profession in like being a Reiki healer guys I am an energy energy healing fracture healing animal whisperer energy cleaner I love this I love this new chapter in life Caesar Tobin it's a new thing so I'm really excited about it that's my new skill great I love this for you what are you going to be called you need like some kind of like a punny name. We'll brainstorm on it. Yeah. Okay. Do you have a bad week or is the bad week the break? The bad week was the break. The good week was that I'm a magician. Kelty? A wizard. All right. So I

have a bad week this week. Man, I don't even know where to start with this. I have always been very protective of talking about my family. And you guys know that on the podcast, like I just, I don't really post on Instagram about my parents or my family. And I just think like their lives are just so different than mine and they don't really understand the power of social media. And I just would never want to put any of them in a place where they were getting any kind of hate or any kind of like comments or stuff because like they just wouldn't even know what to do with it. I mean, my dad barely has a cell phone and, um, and my brother has had a lot of health struggles and that's you know his story and his stuff to tell the world when or if he

wants to and so I always felt like um I didn't want to be someone that was like for all the amount of like dramatic I am and love a good like drama story in my life I just always wanted to respect the fact that you know he's a private person and I don't really want to like tell people his business but you know over the last honestly like year I think especially you Becca Like you've been so open about some of your struggles. And I was like, oh man, like I just want, I want all of our listeners to know there's like more to me than just like poop jokes. And, and, um, there's like a, a real heavy family story here.

And anyway, long story short, um, my brother had had a really bad flare up, um, a health flare up in February. And, um, I was really working with him as far away and I had to, you know, get an IV sent to his house and blah, blah, blah. And I was really been working with him on trying to get healthy over the past six months. And he's been doing really, really well. He suffers from bipolar disorder and he also has a disability. He had an accident about 20 years ago, which did some damage to his spinal cord. And so he takes three heavy, heavy, heavy sets of painkillers and muscle relaxants and stuff um every single day so he's he has a very intense uh healing and

drug sort of thing that he has to take anyway so um we thought chris and i were like oh let's reward him by like chris had a work thing in vegas and i was like you could fly down from our hometown of edmonton to vegas and i'll fly from la and i'll meet you in vegas for four days he's never been we'll like go and see a Cirque show, see the drag race show, um, and like stay in a nice hotel and just sit by the pool. Like, honestly, we weren't going to go wild and be like at the club in Vegas, you know? Um, and I got really excited. And I think anyone that has, I've had so many of you reach out to me on social media and say that you have someone in your family that struggles with something like this, um, some sort of mental illness. And I think is that you just want,

you want your person to be normal so badly that at times you can overlook their disability or what's going on with them. Like, obviously now I'm sitting here after a disaster of a weekend and I'm like, why the hell did I think taking someone that has bipolar was a good idea to Vegas? But you just want them to be normal so bad. You want to show them the world so badly. And so the flight into Las Vegas is very bumpy. Anyone who's taken that flight knows that the heat comes off the ground and it's really bumpy. And my brother is someone that hasn't flown a ton. And so I think he got nervous on the flight and got sick to his stomach. And then when you're on such a steady stream of medication, when you started throwing up the

medicine, then all of a sudden he's essentially in a detox. He's coming off heroin. I mean, it's not heroin, but like, it's the same thing where he's in so much pain. He's so sick to his stomach. Um, anyway, I'm not going into the details, but, um, it was so scary because when I landed in Las Vegas, I texted him, I was like, Hey, I'm on my way. And I didn't hear from him. And I knew something was wrong. Um, and when I called him on the phone and, um, he picked up the phone and he was, you know, really violently ill. And he was just like, sister, you need to come here. And like, I didn't know what room number he was in. I mean, I knew what the hotel was. I didn't know how he got, where he was going. Like, I didn't know what was going on.

So I just like ran through the airport, ran in a taxi, ran through, um, Caesar's palace and, um, this wonderful woman, this is what like the crazy part of the story. So this woman, um, named Perla who works at Caesar's palace, who's a angel. She basically was like, And I ran and I was like, hey, my brother's here. He's sick. You probably saw him. He checked in. Can you tell me where he is? And because of security, they couldn't tell me where he is, what room he was in. And so I was kind of freaking out. I was having a countdown. And anyway, eventually I got up there. It was really bad. We had to call 911. And I've never been so scared in my life. I absolutely thought that my brother was

uh, going to die in front of me. Um, I was all alone. I had no one there with me. Chris didn't come. Um, it wasn't there. Um, and I didn't know what to do. Everything seemed like every minute seemed like it was five hours. Like every, when they were like, we'll be there in 10 minutes, it seemed like I was waiting for like days for the EMTs to come. Um, and then when the EMTs came, they were like, well, the hospitals are full. Um, so even if we take him, he'll have to wait. And I'm like, he's screaming out, asking to die. Like I had to make the decision between, you know, am I going to, um, am I going to have the ambulance take him now to the hospital that's full and wait six hours to get treatment? Or am I going to wait another 30 minutes for the in-house

medics to get there. And is he going to have a heart attack or stroke before they get there? And then his death is on my hands and I would never be okay and live with that guilt. So it was, I mean, I'm still shaken. I really am like not even good now. Anyway, it was a crazy couple of days. It's been a couple of days now and I'm still really shaken. I'm just like kind of in nurse mode at the moment. I decided to bring him back to LA and we're kind of nursing him back to health here at my house. And Perla, this woman, I went down the next morning when he was more stable to just like say, thank you. I gave her a big tip and I always wanted to get this woman's name because she was like such a lifesaver. And I was like, oh my God, thank you

so much. And she's like, you know, my son is autistic. And when your brother came in, I knew that he wasn't just, um, like a drunk or on drugs or like just a wild, crazy Vegas person. I could see that how scared he was that something was happening. And I noticed that same, same look in my son's eyes. And I hope that, um, I would hope that everyone in the world would treat my son with love and care, even though, you know, he can sometimes, you know, push like up here to just be a crazy person. And, um, and we like, I let her sat in the lobby of Caesar's palace and cried with Perla. Cause I was like, it's so true. You know, like, um, I'm just so thankful that the people, when I wasn't there, the whole plan was bullshit and so bad. Like it was such a bad idea

now in hindsight, but like, I was, I'm so glad that there's people like Perla in the world who were so caring. This nurse came, um, and I've been like writing letters to the CEO of Caesars Palace. I've been writing, like, I'm, I'm like, I'm so thankful, but this nurse came to the hotel room and it was really bad. And she was so smart. You guys, like she looked at, my brother has these like, kind of like pill packs and there's like 45 pills a day. And there's like morning, mid-morning, noon, night. And like, they can't be mixed and they have to be perfectly taken and all this stuff. And she was so smart. She looked at them and she was like, okay, here's the deal. These three things like are absolutely the most important. We have to find a way to get these into a system.

This one is just for this. This one is this for this. And it's like crazy medical school pills. She's like, this can wait till tomorrow. This is not important, but like these three, we have to figure out. So we're like trying to get him to swallow. Like then he would throw, you know, it was just, it was so intense, but like these people, like there are good people in the world and, um, my life force of good people is higher than ever. Like the amount of people that have shown me so much kindness, so much sweetness, so much compassion has been incredible. Um, the amount of lady gangers that are nurses that have reached out to me online, like I didn't know what to do as in Vegas by myself. I know one friend in Las Vegas. So as

soon as I got off the plane and I knew something was wrong, I like put up on my Instagram, like, Hey, are there any nurses or doctors in Vegas? Like I need help. I got so many sweet messages from children's nurses and doctors and people willing to help. I had the head of like Caesars entertainment security reach out to me. Like it was, I felt like I was like at a bed and breakfast, even though I was in one of the biggest hotels in the world. So I, um, it has been very difficult. and, um, anyone that has, uh, someone in their family that deals with mental illness. Like I just, I see you and I hear you and we want them so well to be well and normal, but sometimes the best thing for them is routine and the same thing. And, um, and I just, uh, I got the nicest care

package from the lady gang girls and I'm going to kind of take it easy this week. And, um, anyway, I just wanted to be real because so many times on Lady Gang, we're like, ha ha ha, the guy didn't show up for my plumbing. And I just want to tell my piece because obviously I'm kind of low right now. Well, we're very sorry to hear about your week and we're happy you received your Klondykes and Diet Coke and we love you. But we have a great show. So let's get to that. Hello, lady gang. This theme for the week for your secrets is aging and body. Let's see. Do you have some secret plastic surgery you've had done and you've told no one in your life? Uh, do you have any disgusting habits? Uh, do you, uh, queef on demand? Can you queef on

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If you've ever worn a loose summer dress with a big earring and a necklace, then you were influenced directly by her because she invented boho chic. she's an investor and she recently rebranded her insanely successful box of style to curator which is a luxe lifestyle membership with exclusive access shopping we're and talk more about that but most importantly she's a mama to two and a wifey of the iconic roger she also hosts a podcast works for us and that we were just on please welcome to the show rachel wearing a rich lady caftan zone thanks for wearing your cat rich lady caftan listen i i'm pretty sure that like since, since I don't know, June, I'm pretty sure I probably worn a caftan. I think, I think almost

every day of some sort from, from beginning of June, it's like a problem for me. It really works on you. It's just easy and comfortable. I feel like I'm in pajamas. Here's my question for you. When you set out, I mean, I, for me, you were the first person that ever was like famous for being a celebrity stylist. I'm sure there were people before you, but like blazing a trail and being that person? Like, how did you figure out what to do? You know, it's interesting. I just was interviewed about sort of the, the sort of start of celebrity styling and they were like, well, who, who are you looking to? And I was like, I actually didn't know what a stylist was. The only, the only person I knew of that was like, I didn't know

was called styling, but I guess creating fashion imagery with a photographer and models was Grace Coddington, who is still like the legend of legends of legends. But I didn't know ever that this job did exist or could exist. So to be honest, I was doing it really on my sort of like gut and just following what I loved. And I started as a fashion assistant. And like, with that I was working with models but then I started working with celebrities and at the time you know it was like Gwen Stefani when she was in No Doubt it was like a lot of like it was Drew Barrymore it was a lot of young actors and actresses and like um I think when I went freelance and I started getting booked to dress them for different things all of a sudden it just kind of

went and and everyone's like well you're you're a celebrity stylist I'm like well it was sort of like I got this label. It was sort of never, I want to be a celebrity stylist, if that makes any sense. Right. And now the new crop is like, I'm go, I want to be a celebrity stylist. So I'm going to start here and do this things on it. You know, the one interesting part, the one thing I would add to that, that's interesting is I was actually very defensive about that title because when people would introduce me or whatever, they would say, Oh, Rachel, so the celebrity stylist. And I was like, I'm not sure that that's like my title because styling to me was so all encompassing. I style everybody. I style anybody and everybody. And celebrity just seems so unattainable. She'll

only talk to you. She'll only touch you if you're a celebrity, you know? So I was always very, uh, weirdly defensive about that label. And I, I don't know why, like, as I talk about it, I'm like, I don't know why, but I think it was because I did so many other things that that felt very niche, very, um, excluding to me of all the looks, all the red carpets, all the moments, all the editorials who sent you the nicest. Thank you. Oh, God. Does it have to be a client or can it be like a designer? Anything. I'm going to say Karl Lagerfeld sent me the nicest. It's framed and I will never forget it. I almost

died. Like I don't blink at most things. And I literally, my team was in the office when I got it. And I was like, I was like, I couldn't, it was after I, I styled Cameron Diaz for, I think it was golden globes and the hot pink couture. And we removed the sleeve and it was like a whole thing. He sent me a handwritten note thanking me. And, and he was, Carl was this person that was like the un, the, the holy, the like, so for me, that was a, he sent flowers. He sent a thank you. It was, it was like so beautiful and it was just amazing. Like his words and the fact that it had my name on it, like it was, it was a very surreal moment to me. Who is your nicest client of all time? You know, I would say they were all pretty extraordinary. And I'm, I'm actually friends with

a good amount of them still. But I would say one that like, we really just get each other. I mean, Kate Hudson's kind of like a soul sister. We just kind of really get each other. Um, and still a very close friend. Jen Garner is a pretty extraordinary person and we're still very close. And, um, yeah, but I would say like nice. I mean, a lot of them were, a lot of them were really nice. A lot of them are really just normal people that happen to be really bad-ass talents that happen to be celebrities, you know? I love that. I feel like Ava Mendez sent me absolutely stunning, beautiful, gorgeous flowers. One time that blew me away. I don't remember anything. My whole life's a blur. You guys same. Yeah. I don't even remember yesterday. Literally. I don't

remember anything. Um, when I watched you on home edit and I saw you're not in that closet anymore, right? I have a better one now. I knew it. I knew you were upgrading that closet because there's no room you were having to move. You were like, Oh, I guess I have to give the, you were like, I'm not giving anything away. And they were like, we can't find the product for this. I was upset when they were making you get rid of things. Yeah. Me too. I was like, this is a museum. I'll tell you what it is. They listen, those girls like talk me off the ledge. They'll be like, I'll be like, okay, let's just get rid of it. And they'll be like, do you just want to look

at it? Cause she's pretty. And I'm like, yes, give her back. And they would literally like, we would talk through it, you know, but I always had my archives in an offsite. Right. And so, which was not pictured on the show where my sort of, should we say backlog of the last 20 something years that of my collecting because that can't all fit in my closet. And now I have it in a very kind of special organized place where I can access it. And it's, uh, I'll have to take you guys in there. So the house,

the house is on fire and the children are not there and Roger's fine. so nothing that really matters just material materialistic nothing with nothing with a heartbeat is there and the only place that you can go that's not already burned to a crisp is the closet what three things are you grabbing you know everything else is gone forever okay is jewelry included in that fire sure hmm okay so definitely my like this right which is um her engagement yes um big old diamond this came from when sky was born no and um this came at our 20th anniversary so i would say those and i would say clothing bags i would say probably my very first hermes bag my birkin that roger gave

me and like, there was a like trail of like rose petals to it. What? True story. He really knows you. He really does. He just gets me. He really gets me. That's amazing. A trail, like a trail of rose petals to like him down. You're like, no, a trail to the Birkin. Okay. This is a great question. And then I want to get into the brand. Um, a lot of people out in the world, they see like, Oh, these stylists and I'm styled by, and no one really understands like how expensive that is and how, like, can you explain what it means when like you see, you know, Jen Garner on a red carpet and she's like styled by Rachel Zoe. What is that? Well, listen, I think the reason that I actually started the Rachel Zoe project, a big part of that was actually to kind of demystify

what goes on with designers and stylists and hair and makeup and all the people that go all the work and and the sort of team that goes into creating a look whether it's on a runway or on a celebrity um in a magazine and the reality of it is it is such a process and styling is something that it's a job I mean it's really a job and did I look at it as a job I did but I, I really looked at it more as an, as like an, something I was obsessed with and loved so much that like, I would forget to put in my expense reports for like six months because I was like, eh, it's fine. I'll just move on. But then you don't get paid. So that's bad. So, so the truth is. If I wanted Rachel Zoe to style me for the Oscars. Well, maybe not Rachel. Cause you

don't have to say your prices. Say the average. You can't afford Rachel. Well, to be honest, i mean it times are very different now and and i don't know how people are pricing out in the industry right now but what i can tell you is there's there's third party payers so basically a a record um music label right like uh if you're if you're a musician or whatever grammy styling you're paid very often by the studio the music studio and with film when you see actors do you know all the talk shows and all the morning shows and then the premieres all over the world and then they're doing junkets that is very expensive the studios are paying stylists hair and makeup a lot of money to do that because it's a lot of work there's a lot of expenses what people don't think

about it's like shipping the clothes across the country all the shipping all the messengers all the fittings all the time and you know styling it's funny because hair and makeup I always said I picked the wrong side of the business hair and makeup can kind of roll in open their thing do their craft and their, which by the way is magnificent, but then they get to close it, roll away and leave. Stylists, it's like weeks of prep, 85 trunks and garment bags, duffels and rolling racks and, you know, fittings and which personally I find the best part, but you know, point being it's a lot of time and it's a lot of money and it's not cheap. You know, it's not cheap. If you're, if you're hiring one of the main stylists, it's expensive. Not, not as much

as it used to be but you get paid differently for different things right like ad campaigns you get you get more it just it just depends it balances though okay so talk about the this uh the new sort of new brand because it is made for a lady like kelty knight yeah curator there is no personal style uh it's like say that you totally do no but listen She's an express crop top right now. Thank you. With an extra curly hair. No, when I had my box of style, I got the big chain necklace and I just wore that because Rachel said, wear the chain necklace. So, but now you've expanded and now it's a membership. So explain. Yeah. So basically what happened is there was so much love and loyalty for box of style. And

to that point, exactly what you just said was exactly what we were hearing all over the place. Like, I'm feeling like Rachel's styling me. I'm feeling like I don't have to think about what jewelry to buy this season. I'm thinking, I don't, I know what skincare I need now. I know whatever it is. And that was actually why I started it in the first place was so that I could touch and style and curate for as many women as possible. And with that, we said, okay, how can we actually expand this and do more?

Right. And so in coming up with the name curator is French for the curator or to curate, right? So, um, and that's literally what I've been hired to do my entire career, whether it was for brands, it didn't matter. So we decided that in making a curator, it would remain, you still get your curation, your quarterly, just like boxes style. It's just, so basically when you become a member of curator, you go in, you get your curation, right?

But you can also add onto it. So if you like the sunglasses and the scarf, guess what? You can get both. You can add it on afterwards. It's like, it's like adding lobster on the menu. It's like, you can just keep adding it's it's more a la carte, but the best part is in the membership shop, which is such a success for us is we have incredible things to shop from, you know, ready to wear. I wear beauty products, jewelry, everything at very exclusive prices only for members. And then there's the collective, which is more like experiential where you get like

to whether it's like H bloom flowers or flower box or all these exclusive, like incredible brands that we're partnering with, you get exclusive experiences with them. So it's a little bit like a, a sort of a centurion for women, you know, it's sort of, that's ultimately what we're doing. Sorry. Amex centurion, not that we're like copying Amex centurion, but it's really about creating this incredible curated life for women. Cool. We can, it's really hard to get your life together. Like I just want someone to come put my life together for me and you do that. And so, yeah, you hiring me. I mean, Rachel, so you're in the Hamptons right now in a rich lady caftan. Do I, I'm in a closet. Okay. So since, um, Rachel's

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You're listening to the lady gang. Okay, we're back. First of all, Rachel. So can I wear baby doll dresses? I'm about to be 40. Yeah, that was a real thing because I had to visualize it. The answer is yes, but it's all about how you style it and how baby doll it is. Does that make sense? What kind of, okay. Cause I just purchased a baby doll dress that I'm going to wear to my

boyfriend. He's a musician, his concert with, and it's going to be in Austin. So with a cowboy boot and a baby doll, that's so cute. No, I love that. That's very like Sienna Miller vibe. Like I love that and and I think that's like and that's what I'm saying it's very much how you style it it's like you know the thing about baby doll dresses is they have a sweetness to them but I believe they can be sexy in a very kind of like not overt way and I think it's just like is it a baby doll and it's short does it have a cute sleeve does it have an open neck you know what I mean so I and and how are we accessorizing and what are the shoes and what's the cute bag but it's very like Coachella. Yes. I love this. It's a Birkenstock and a grocery tote. And don't put an age on

yourself with clothes. Do not. I actually met a woman who's 65 and her boyfriend is 45. And she's like, I still wear mini skirts because my legs are good. And I said, Godspeed. I love those. Those mini skirts. Like, yes, yes, yes. All day long. Okay. So number one question from Lady Gang, What am I wearing to my job interview? We are the millennials of the world. The job, my interview could be on zoom, but we're not wearing a three-piece suit anymore to job interviews. What are we wearing? Here's my thing about job interviews. Okay. I look the whole millennial Gen Z, Gen, Gen anything you have to still look respectable because the thing is no matter what job you're interviewing for. And listen, I'm in fashion. Our company is media.

It's fashion. It's this, it's that. I still want people to care when they come in for an interview because it ultimately comes down to respect. If you don't, it's like what I say to my kids, like Skylar will be like, why do I have to wear nice clothes? Like it'll be just a Saturday like event or whatever. And I'm like, you know what? It's respectful to the person having the event that you cared enough to not wear your like muddy sneakers, your, you know, athletic shorts and whatever. It's just respecting. And I think when you're interviewing, I don't know a person that would look down at somebody who looked polished and looked together, because in my opinion, it would seem like they weren't arrogant and they weren't like, oh, I got this. I don't have to try

too hard. I don't have to like put it in. So I'm not saying get super dressed up and wear a three suit, but I do think a nice shirt, a pair of trousers, even like a pencil skirt and a cute, like you could wear like a nice t-shirt with a blazer and a pencil skirt. That's so chic, you know, but I do, I don't think you should wear denim to an interview. I, and I love denim. I just don't think it's appropriate for a first meet my opinion. Wow. I love it. Okay. First date. Okay. Here's the thing, ladies. Um, I just think sexiness is better left to the imagination sometimes, but that's me. I believe like, let's go a higher neck in the front and lower in the back. Let's have the party in the back on a first date. You know what I mean? I just don't think

you offer up everything on a first date. You just don't. So I think you listen, let him fall in love with this and this and not everything else, you know? So I do think it's important to not try too hard, you know? And like, I think jeans on a first date chic, again, it depends on where you're going and what you're doing, but I do think jeans are great. I think that casual, but polished is cool. And I think sexy, but not overt. Does that help at all? It does. Yes. Thank God. Jack's not going on any first dates. I was the queen of like super low V, really like those bell bottoms that were like super stretchy and made my butt bounce around. Sure. But how did it go for you though? I feel like you're a serious boyfriend. She ended up with the guy that likes her in sweats and no

makeup. He liked me when I had a fourth of my eyebrows. There is my point. Exactly. And I'm telling you, I have friends that do that on the first date and you know where that goes. Yeah. Men are idiots, period. So they can't have it all out there. Because then they think that this is a one-shot date. A lot of times it was. Exactly my point. But by the way, that's the thing. If that was the intention, then And that's my point. If this is a date that we're going into with, this is a short-term situation, then feel free to do you, you know, just, just trying to get

drunk and make out, you know, the pants did it for me. Nothing wrong with that, by the way. What do you suggest? Um, and I think this is a perfect question for you because I know these celebs, they have to be seen as so perfect. And then you're also dressing these everyday women. The question was, what do you wear when you don't feel comfy in your body at that moment? Okay. So you need to have your go-tos, right? You have to have in your mind, and this is for work or for your social life, for anything. You have to have the things that you wear when you're feeling your like best.

And you're, you're really like, you're just feeling yourself. Right. And that's your thing. You're like, I can wear this skin type body contrast tonight because I don't know. I had a stomach virus. I don't know. But whatever. And then, and then you also have to, when you're just feeling like icky, you have to have that go

to where you still look great. You're comfortable. You're not fidgeting. You don't have to be self aware. And that could be by the way, a baby doll dress and a cute pair of boots or heels. That could be like, you know, a pair of like high-waisted slouchy trousers that, you know, or jeans and your favorite black tee. But I do say go darker colors for sure. Um, but I do think it's important that mentally, you know, I'm feeling crap today. I want to go to this. Cause I know this works. I know I don't have to be self-aware. I don't have to worry about how I stand or sit, you know? Um, because you can tell, that's the whole thing about my approach to my entire like career is really just like, you have to dress women for how they feel in that moment,

because you can tell, I know me, like I could put something on somebody and she could look insane, but she's just having a shit day. And like, she feels crap and her head's down and I'll literally just take it off her. And I'll be like, let's, let's just do over. What do you feel best in? You know, and you just have to do that because it really affects how we put ourselves out there. So true. It's so true. Okay. It's Saturday errands. And I just did a little scooping this weekend and I went to the coffee shop and I sat and like watched what everyone was wearing on a Saturday. Nobody's wearing clothes. Everyone's wearing leggings and Birkenstocks or leggings and shoes that you can't work out in. But if we are not going to put our

athleisure wear on and we're going to run around and do Saturday, what are we wearing? Listen, it depends what time of year, because during the year, my weekend uniform is always like a wide leg denim, a great pair of heels, like a stacked heel, not like a skinny heel and like some kind of faux fur yummy thing that feels like a blanket and some kind of big piece of jewelry. And that's me on a weekend. However, in the summer it's a caftan for sure, because to me, it's like just comfortable and easy. Um, so I think that like for most people, I would say your weekend is like your denim and that's your like real denim, your shoes that you can run around in and walk in, but still are cute. I think the workout wear it's like, I don't know guys,

It's just, I feel like you work out in it and get a smoothie in it. And then we change and then we change. Right. And then we change. No, I only wear athleisure wear all the time and never work out in it. I'm I'm I, and I love my athleisure wear, but I'm ready to be dressed again, which is why I asked, but like comfortable for you, you can wear, here's the thing you guys, what about leggings with like a cute riding boot and a comfy sweater that feels snuggly, but

looks chic. Cause there is this like middle ground of still looking good. It's like your travel outfit. You, the most important thing when you travel is that you're comfortable, right? Cause you're like in contorted positions and like just miserable and whatever, but like you still have to look cute. Cause you never know what's going to happen on the plane or when you land. Right. So you just have to find your yummy long cardigan that you can like bury yourself in an oversized scarf, a good legging. It could be like soft leather or vegan leather. That's really soft and feels like super soft and comfy or whatever that is. But that has to be your go-to. It has to be just, just get in the mindset of shape. And I know we're not supposed to say

anything about our ages, but I did come to the realization. I was actually traveling a couple of days ago. I'm 35. I know that is not old at all, but I'm no longer, I'm no longer like a young girl. And I was watching, I mean, yeah. Thank you for that. But I do find that I used to feel okay, like throwing my hair in a messy bun, not wearing makeup and like wearing sweats. And people were just like, Oh, there's that like cute young girl. But at 35, I'm like bordering on that slobby looking woman. Like I feel, I felt like a total slob. And I, I, I actually made the choice the last time I flew to do that exact same thing where I was like, be an adult. Like you don't have to be hot, but just being a hundred percent. And it felt better. It does. Right. You just feel

better. You do. And when you land, you feel like a human, you're like, Oh, you know what? Maybe I'm going to go down to like the restaurant now and like grab food and you feel a little bit more human, you know? And, and Rachel, would you, um, judge someone for bringing a pillow? Jack's about to take a trip and she's discussing bringing her. I got shamed into not doing it. It's fine. We've made a decision, but I can't sleep on normal pillows, the hotels. I need to bring my own and I'm having a conundrum. Oh, wait a minute. You're talking about a hotel pillow. You're talking about like the big pillow, not like I hate it on plane. Yeah, no, no, no. Like a sleeping pillow. I need to bring an adult. I need to be YOP because the

hotel pillows are too lush for me. I like a very squished, barely there pillow. And I don't know what to do with my life. Can I tell you why I'm dead? Because I come from a mother who rolls with her silk pillow and, and now, you know, um, what is it called? You guys slip, slip pillow. I'm obsessed with them. And, and like, I will bring the pillow case. I always get a different pillow when I get to a hotel. Cause I want a firm one, the opposite of you. I need firm. I can't the skinny i wake up looking like half my face oh yes dismantled but um but but i i do get it on a road trip i feel like on a on a on a flying trip yeah it's on no i know it'll be in your suitcase so it's okay well no she wanted to carry it i know can't carry the pillow on the plane no no also

once it's on the plane you need to burn it anyway no i know this is we they already yelled at me for 20 minutes earlier. It's a sanitary thing now. Your pillow cannot go on a plane now. We're still in a pandemic. If you can't trust us, you can trust Rachel. I know I didn't need to be publicly shamed. No, you're not publicly shamed. If you can put it in the top of your suitcase and travel with it and then bring it out in the hotel. You can bring two of them. Okay. I'm going to try to squish it. We'll see how it goes. Squishy squishy. Um, Rachel, Kate, last thing. Well, last thing, engagement photos slash weddings. We get, we'll have a lot of girls doing engagement photos and we have a lot of girls going as guests to the wedding and we have a big, obviously like the

off-white and the nudes, like they're so chic. It's like this thing everyone's wearing, but then it's so, so, so close to the bride. How do you know your bride isn't going to wear a champagne color? So what's like the perfect wedding guest look? No white, no ivory. And I would say the closest you can come to that is like pale pink, unless she's like your best friend and you ask her, you know what I mean? Like you have to get clearance on that, but I would say don't touch it. It's like, it's like such the no, no, it's just set, like, let her have that moment. And I am someone that lives in every shade of white possible when i'm not in black but i think like you just can't you just can't it's her moment it's her night you can't and how so the conundrum is

a lot of these single ladies were they're going to a wedding and they're hoping right to meet their husband but it's also you don't want to look like a hoe bag but also you want to attract the mates. Keep it classy, classy, sexy, classy, sexy, because let me tell you something. There are guys that really like to find a wife at the wedding. They really do. I hear that story more than anything else that they met at a wedding. I also hear of people meeting at funerals, which is dark, but it happens. But I would say, of course you are, but I, but I would say, I would say that the thing is you just want to go opposite of brides. So I think like, if you're comfortable body con, if you want to be sexy again, like off the shoulder, low back,

a little cleavage. Okay. But not so much. It's a wedding, you know? Yeah. I just, you don't want to draw more attention to you. Yeah. Don't upstage the bride bad. She'll hate you for life. She will hate you. Okay. There was recently a lot of fashion headlines made because the new sex in the city is filming in New York and Carrie was wearing a forever 21 dress. So my question for each of you is what is the like most low brow piece that you have in your closet and that you've just had forever that you can't let go of rachel's like i don't have one i have like so many she's like it's a it's chanel it wasn't couture it's ready to wear and i am ashamed

have you ever Rachel Zoe have you ever walked into a Zara and just bought a blazer yes when I was like yes when I was in my 20s I basically my I basically was always vintage right every dollar I had went to vintage not designer vintage because I was starving for fashion like everybody else in fashion and um I was I was through stores and vintage and then I would do like if I needed like human people clothes, I would go to Zara a hundred percent. Um, yeah, but you have none of that left. No, not a thing. However, do you have anything? However, um, I mean, I have to tell you though, I love Zara. Like I think Zara is genius. Like I have to tell you like 90% of the time I'm obsessed with something that like my team is wearing or my friends are wearing. They're like,

it's Zara. I'm like, I'm buying it. Like it's so good. The quality is good. The prices are insane. But I would say I have a lot of vintage pieces that were like not expensive, but I'm obsessed with, you know, like great cardigans or coats, trench coats, you know, that, that I've had for like 20 years, you know, does that count? That counts, right? Okay. You have one. I mean, I have like 800 pieces from Zara in my closet, but I also have, I also have some target shoes. I love a target shoe. I'm never mad at a target shoe. They have a great, like when it's summer and you're going to be running around the beach or going on a boat or doing some things, they have good slides that are like $20 and you don't care if they fall overboard. So that's

probably mine. Mine is shoe too. And I have the funniest story. So I was recently in France, right before we went on your, when we went on your podcast, we got to go to France for Amphar and I was there, I'm at the Hotel du Cop and I have a Steve Madden, uh, it like knockoff of the Bottega shoe, the sandal. And I was at breakfast and up comes Chris. Uh, one of his clients is styled by this stylist named Paris. And, uh, he's with Sharon stone and they walk up and we're like kissing. And I'm like, I'm friends with Sharon stone in the minute. And she was like, I'm getting knighted today and Chris is like oh my god that's amazing congratulations and she's like like I'm wearing like just a sundress whatever but I did have like an I tried to have an outfit at all

moments but I had like a look on but it was very casual might have been a crop top I gotta be honest it was like 11 a.m. and she was like just go grab a blazer she's like you guys should come to the knighting go grab a blazer and she's like you'll be so chic a blazer and those bottega sandals. And I was like, Oh my God. Amazing. Listen, you guys, Sharon stone, they were Steve Madden, $89. I think you just wear it. It's like, I, I have to tell you, like, I'm such an advocate for Zara for H and M for the, like, I think it makes fashion accessible to so many people that are like, I can't wear that. I can't wear that. And they do it so well. I'm so for it. I can't even explain it. And I have so many clients that like, you know, they'll be wearing a, whatever,

a Bottega dress and like $20 shoes. It doesn't matter. It's just like what works, what looks good. It doesn't matter what it costs. I'm so down for me. I collect things. So it's different. It's sort of like, uh, you know, collecting art. Yeah. That's how my dad rationalizes my. okay last question i want each of us jack included because you didn't answer the low bra question but that's okay um i want to know the sexiest thing that your man wears like the outfit you love him in like what roger in and you're like roger in roger do you know what my favorite thing is it's weird it's we call it the tom ford shocker it's uh it's literally like roger's like what am i wearing tonight i'm like the tom ford like and what it is is it's literally

just like a really crisp pair of like dark denim with like a great shoe of sorts and a very tailored black blazer that's just very minimal very cool single button with a really crisp like white shirt and he's roger wears a lot of man jewels because you know we've been together for 30 years and um you run out of things to get and so he has like dog tags and all these things and um he looks cool and then he'll put on like his tom ford aviators because typically if we go somewhere before eight we're both in sunnies because we can't deal with light um but yeah and i think i I think that's how he looks best. His hair kind of like long and shaggy-ish,

a little suntan. Yeah. Love that. Yeah. Jack, how do you like Jerry? Mine probably is his stage clothes when he plays a show because they all- You're like Penny Lane, Jack.

I know. She is really Penny Lane. I love it. I can't help it. So they all dress in matching suits, which I love a cohesive look. So like the juxtaposition of them in these like, and he looks so good in a suit

Cause he's really beefy and has like big, like muscular legs and stuff. So him in like a nice fitted suit while playing rock and roll music is like my ultimate weakness. Mine is, I love when Zach shows his ankles. So a high water pant. So Zach is Zach at your wedding. Zach wore a tapered, like ankle, like it hit at his ankle bone and he wore a velvet loafer like that's by the way a very tom ford thing yeah by the way it is yes it is and he because you know he's got long legs and he's tall i think it's because it's everything i'm not like i've never put on a pant that's short um so when he wears like uh he wears a lot of buck mason too which i think they do a really good job

yeah like just their t-shirts are great he has like a kind of like a cardigan a three-button cardigan with like cowl neck from buck mason so that with like a i don't even know what the pant is but it's like you know a cuffed see i like that because i hate socks i don't know so like i always like i like when roger like if we go to the beach and he has like a shawl collared like kind of ralph sort of sweater with like rolled up beach pants i think is really cute i like that summer vibe rolled up beach pan I love Chris Knight in a legging I don't know if it's my ballet upbringing I'm megging when Chris Knight Rachel when Chris Knight has to go to hockey class plays hockey in the winter and he like comes home and he just has his sweaty sport top and then like

the legging I don't know if it's like my Baryshnikov in me but like Chris is so tall and his legs are so long and i'm like oh i wish you would wear a man legging more like i almost want him to be one of those guys in my neighborhood in the valley that like goes on bike rides so he can just wear a legging i need to understand the legging is this like is this like what my son wears to basketball like like the nylon like a nike like man underneath the shorts okay yeah but i like when chris takes off the shorts wow i think that's your dancing thing i think you saw so many men in tights that that's like your thing i'm very attracted to him can i ask a question you don't have to answer but what does his penis look like in this tight well chris i'm thinking that's

what she likes it no no it's not i'm so she likes the leg quadriceps a quadriceps i think it's the front of your man leg a quad a quad muscle thigh a thigh muscle a big meaty thigh like chris has been wearing a board short for his whole adult life and i've recently got him into a short short and it's summertime and when his little quad is peeking out i'm like such a manly man he'll just squat me into the next universe like i just i love this i feel like in the south of france they can wear like short shorts oh yeah i feel like here it's a little more challenging it is and then i also love a man and i sorry i love a man named chris my husband um in a stripe like anytime he dresses like he's a sailor i love it the nautical thing i'm i'm into that i dress my

boy is nautical all the time. No, your kids are my ideal on adult men. So cute. I know we go out a lot and all my like guy friends, I'll be like, do their clothes come in our size too? Because your kids are like my dream. Oh, they're my dream. I love them so much. So listen, you have to go back to work. Thank you for spending so much time with us. You can listen to Rachel's podcast. We were on it. We'll post it again, but it's so great. Um, every single Tuesday, wherever you get your podcast, it's called works for us. Um, and it's Rachel and Roger together talking about tights and all that stuff. And of course you can follow Rachel at Rachel Zoe for all of her life and inspiration and Hamptons and rich lady caftans. And we love

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