LadyGang - Star Signs with Aliza Kelly

Episode Date: January 4, 2022

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to the Lady Gang. That's amazing. Say that again. The Lady Gang. Things are about to change around here. Each week we catch up with Hollywood's hottest girl posse, Kelty Knight, Becca Tobin, and Jack Vanek. Hello, hello, hello. Welcome to the Lady Gang. I am Becca Tobin here with Jack and Kelty. Hello, hello. You okay, Kelty? Do you have on press-ons? Do you have your Olive and June press-ons on? Yes. They look great. They do look great. A nice winter white, I see. no they're nude with stars oh yeah game changer well for the exact reason this is not an ad but the reason you need the press-ons is i got home from my holiday trip and i had 10 hours in la before i went to canada to see my brother and i had no time to do my nails and i was like oh

press-ons and then a perfect manicure every time you know they look great every time and i'm saying I am like, I don't know about you guys, but I, the lap, the thing I wait last to do for any big event, big moment, big, anything is nails. So I feel like I'll get everything ready for a big wedding weekend to go to. And then it'll be like nine o'clock at night, the day before my 7.00 AM flight. And I'm like, why do I do this? Because four days before I was like, I have plenty of time. Well, cause going, I don't know if it's just me. I know a lot of my friends are this way too, but like going and getting a manicure is the most daunting thing in the world. Like you like push it off for so long. So it's like push it off, push it off. And then it's too late. And then you're

like, yep. That's press on baby. They're good. They're good. Welcome to the lady gang. Not an ad. Not an ad. I just couldn't help but notice. Um, all right. Well it's time for good week. Yes, it is. I'll kick it off. Mine has to do with a couple of weeks ago. It's a little, it's a little old, but I felt like it was really important to share. Okay. I was leaving LA a couple of weeks ago from Kelty's house and I had a really early, early flight. So I scheduled my Uber ahead of time and you know how you can do your preferences. No talking. Yeah. Whatever. God, no music, no talking, blah, blah, blah. I think mine's set to no, no talking, especially at like five in the morning. So I get picked up at the end of Kelty's driveway. It's still dark out. And I greet the

driver and he opens the trunk for me and he's in a Tesla and it was brand new Tesla. And I was thinking Hollywood bitches, Hollywood bitches, the out of work Tesla. You like, it's not, maybe you should have chosen a different car. That's too high of a car payment to be paying your car payment with Uber? You know what? It's like, whatever. That's, that's his life. Maybe he's thinking I love driving. So anyways, he opens the trunk. I greet him. I say, good morning. He says nothing. I think I say one more thing. And he also doesn't respond to me. And I felt like part of me felt like offended. And then the other part was like, he took my direction perfectly. And I was, and so I immediately shifted into gratitude because I felt like this is an early

morning. It's been a long week of work and I'm headed to the airport in the dark. I can just close my eyes and sleep. So that was my good week. He followed directions. Perfectly. Didn't even greet me. No small talk, but then not even a hello, not even a hello. But then did I think i was getting murdered a little bit uh but then we're about 10 minutes 10 minutes into the drive so my good week is about to turn bad week okay oh no and um he's playing sweet jams you know really low and it's like you should let me love you is is the song playing but it's like lovely you know and then it suddenly goes to a playlist of heavy metal and rock so i go from you should let me love you to kickstart my heart by Motley Crue. So I'm hearing Motley Crue,

Motley Crue. Is it Motley or Motley? Motley. Motley, right? No N. Motley. Motley Crue is the British version and they wear bow ties and it's jamming. It's so loud. And I, at this point, just think he's a serial killer. There's absolutely no consistency with this ride and I'm just going to have to put up with it. And the rest of the ride was, it was pump up music. How loud was it? It wasn't matter how loud it is. It's just your eardrums no matter what. Yeah. It wasn't like blasting, but it was, uh, it was enough. And I just thought, of course you couldn't get an Uber ride that was seamless. Of course I hate, that's what I really, I really get really grinds my gears as Jack Vanek would say. I can't say one time I've ever had like a seamless

experience with something like that with a stranger. Yeah. There's always something weird that's going on. Something's off. Something's off. This is why you need to get noise canceling AirPods or are you, are you still using your, your headphones with the cord on them? No, I ha I have AirPods and it's fine, but I also feel weird when I'm in the back of an Uber putting in my own headphones. Cause then I'm worried they're going to ask me a question and they're going to think I'm ignoring them. Well, they're not going to ask you a question because you said, don't talk to me. Yeah. But I also didn't say you to take your life by the balls and wear headphones in your Uber. No, you need to get like a big, you need to get like a

big Bose headphone, like the headphones we use to podcast. So they can see the massive headphone on your head. Don't you have big headphones that you travel with? I do, but I don't always bring them there. It's a lot of stuff, you know, it's a lot for a short ride to LA. I don't really need it anyway, but that was my Uber Chronicles. Who's next? I'll go. Um, my good week. Do you guys remember? I've talked about him a few different times, but there's a little old man that lives in my apartment complex and I see him sometimes walking around doing his laps around the apartment complex, but he is in his nineties. Like the guy is old. And like, sometimes I don't see him for a while. I haven't seen this man for like five months. Like I thought that he might be dead

and I've been spending a lot of time at home. Like I, I would see him walking around, but my good week is Jared and I were just doing a walk like 15 minutes before we started recording this podcast. we passed the gym the old man little old man is on the elliptical oh shit backwards really fast you mean like reverse yes he was going like backwards on it he was reversing he he was like living his life he was going way faster than i would go so my good week is he is alive he is thriving and he is here to stay well probably not to stay but here to stay for today this i mean but that's what we thought about betty white we thought she was going to make it to 100 people did a whole in magazine spread about her 100th birthday betty white turns 100 people

magazine cover is wait when was her birthday it's not until like the 17th or something yeah but it reminds me of when i used to work at et and we had to pre-do all the dyed packages is that what's it called epilogue no uh whatever anyway yeah and i'd be like i'd be in no no no eulogy i'd be anyway i would be in the booth being like brad pitt was a great actor like he's still alive it's so it's so weird have you do would you do them for people that weren't even like sick or old no not always like we do it for people on drugs we do it for people that were troubled and people that were old. Have you done a Betty white one before? Just I have personally done a Betty white, but there's definitely, there was definitely a Betty white was

ready, ready to fly. Yeah. 10 years ago they had Betty's. Yeah. It's been in the vault for a long time. They've been through three logo changes since. Yeah. That was the whole thing. I felt like everybody thought she was dead for a while, but she's just alive and kicking it like this little old man. So exactly. Okay. My bad week is, um, you know, I haven't talked about this yet on the podcast. I had appendicitis, had to get an emergency, uh, appendectomy. Now this was almost a month ago. I'm sitting here today and my gut is still so up. I'm still so constipated. I'm still so bloated and I'm so pissed and I don't know what to do. Like, am I screwed forever? did you not listen to me when I said, it's going to take you six months to recover from this?

Yeah, I did. And I didn't believe you. And then here I am. You thought, oh, because I'm Jack and I'm like in my thirties, like my body will bounce back faster. They, when they blow you up with that stuff, it takes like at least four months to ever get that bloat out of your system. Don't you think I don't know about you, but I've been consuming like crappy stuff because it's been the holidays. So crappy eating combined with alcohol post appendectomy is also maybe, maybe not the recipe for success. I've barely been drinking. Like I've just been kind of not a hundred percent. So I haven't really, I've been laying very low and I've been eating what I normally eat. So, but it's not even the bloating it's the my pooping is very wrong and i don't know if my gut's like forever

screwed up from it no i would suggest a colonic because i think no chance i'll do it no like but the thing is is that here's the thing jack is that it's not it's not poop in there it's gas and so you need to stretch you need to do yoga you need to downward dog you need to fart a lot like it's not there's no poop to come out there is the poop because it hasn't been coming out is my problem anyway well listen you need a doctor somebody try to do some sort of i mean i know you don't like to do any kind of like cleanse but if you did some sort of like a get your gut health balanced like probiotic soup yeah no chocolate chip cookies no yeah i need i need I have to have one a day. So I'll just throw that in there. Okay. All right. Then none of us are

going to have empathy for you. I'm sorry. I can't help you if you can't help yourself. I can't. It's okay. I'll 2022 Becca already has a mantra for you bitches. I can't help you if you can't help yourself. Well, speaking of can't help myself. Um, I am in Canada right now. I'm staying with my brother. I'm in his office. He makes, uh, he does readings on YouTube. Um, his YouTube channel. I guess I'm going to tell you, it's called Dr. Dennis business. You never see him. It's just his voice. And he reads books. He just did Dante's Inferno, which is why it's sitting here. The whole thing. Yeah. He reads it. I think it's illegal, but I was like, listen, if you, if a hundred people are watching it, it's fine. Like if it's 40,000, it'll be more, but he reads

it and like, you can listen to it like an audio book anyway. And then he explains, he explains what's happening. It's pretty good. Yeah. Anyway. So he has this whole YouTube, this is his office, but anyway, that's not the point. The bad week is I arrived in Canada and I'm like, cool sister from Hollywood who just got back from like a hugging camels in the middle East is like here at your house. And I'm like, let me just bring my backpack downstairs. And then I fell down the fucking stairs and I have a huge, you probably can't see it on zoom. I have a huge bruise on my arm. No, no. Um, I cut myself and I fell down like nine stairs to start my 2022 off with a bang New Year's Eve. You know, I, I really, uh, empathize with you because I started my 2022

off breaking my toe by stubbing it into the sideboard of the bed in the middle of the night. So classic broken bones, bruises, love it off to a great start. Such a bad start. Although I will tell you my good week, which is, um, I, you know, in December we, we took a little bit of time off. And so I haven't been able to gloat about this. And it's been so long since I've had something to gloat about that. I just, I really have to say it. I was featured in, um, domino magazine And, um, I was featured by my new name, which is podcast host. It was my first press that's ever not said TV personality. So that was like a gut punch. Um, it just been demoted down to podcast host. But, um, I know Becca, you did a room with them, but Havenly did my living room for me. And

I finally completed one room in my house and it's photographed it. And they sent the pictures to Domino and they did a whole interview with me about like how I made the room when I didn't really do anything. Havenly did it all, but, um, I was so excited that I have one room done and photographed. It was so beautiful. It was a wonderful experience. I just want to say thanks to Havenly. And also thank you to Domino for making me feel like such a famous person slash podcast host. Love that. I do think that Havenly is one of the most genius things on the planet. I know it really is. Even me who all I do, like I literally on new year's Eve deleted every Instagram that I follow. I'm only following houses and pets now. And all I do is spend time on houses

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Do they have the star sign compatibility to make this last? Exactly that. She has a new book, This Is Your Destiny, Using Astrology to Manifest Your Best Life. It's available now, and you've been wanting her to come on the show for years. Please welcome Alisa Kelly. Yay! So first of all, I think your job is the fucking coolest. tell us your whole story of how you got to where you are. Oh my goodness. Okay. I will try to make

a life story as succinct as possible. But basically this is as much of a surprise to me as it is to anyone else. Actually, it's probably more of a surprise to me. I feel like other people sort of saw it coming. But for me, you know, I had lived a normal life. I went to high school. I went to college. I graduated. I moved to Los Angeles. This is where things start getting a little weird. And I realized that I did not have a very strong sense of self at all. I was actually really struggling. I was struggling in every single dimension of my life. I was struggling professionally. I was struggling financially. I was struggling romantically. And I was trying to find this, the purpose. I was trying to understand how to better navigate the situation that I was in,

but I realized that I really was unclear as to how to even approach it. So at this time in my early twenties, I realized that I was more than just a Leo sun, that I had a Pisces moon. And for me, this was the gateway into astrology because understanding that I was not just this one dimensional archetype of a Leo, which is like I related to, but it definitely didn't capture everything. Um, this piece, this Pisces moon piece, which said your emotions are different than your output was monumental for me. And from that, I was like, Oh my goodness, what is this astrology business? I started to research more. I started to learn more. Um, obviously being the Capricorn rising that I am, I was like, you know, if I could just

create an astrology dating app. This would alleviate so many of my problems, at least as it relates to the romantic aspect. So in 2014, I started an astrology dating app with my co-founder, a friend from college. We did that for two years. That didn't work out. I moved back to New York, continued studying astrology this entire time, arrived back in New York, still don't really know what I'm doing. I still am feeling very aimless and directionless, but the whole time I had been really consistent with studying and practicing and learning astrology. And at this point, you know, friends and family had been asking me to do their birth chart over and over. And then it was starting to sort of like, you know, this is also after the 2016 election. So

people are starting to ask questions about why things are the way they are in the world today. and it just started to expand. Um, and people wanted to get their birth chart read. So I eventually like put a price on it and I was like, okay, yeah, it's $50 for an hour or whatever it was. And then that just started to build. And I started writing for publications. I started doing workshops and that was as many years ago as it was to fast forward to what I'm doing now. And I guess the point is, and the cool thing about how I have arrived at the career that I have is that it was very organic. It wasn't forced. It wasn't pushed. It was just a true passion leading to a true expertise that allowed me to really do all of these things and unlock so much of the energy and the creativity and the artistry that lived inside of me that I didn't really have an outlet for prior to. too. Well, I'm very excited about this because this is probably, I'm like big on Enneagram and I live like breathe, eat it. Um, and I've never had an expert astrologer. Like I know I'm an

Aquarius and that's it. Um, and so I'm really excited to learn about this and I don't even know really where to begin to like explain this. We sent our birthdays in time. So do you want to go girl by girl and do our reading? Do you want to explain like, cause when you're like, I'm a Pisces moon, but a Capricorn sun, like, I don't even understand what that means. Can you like give us one-on-ones astrology one-on-one? Yes. So astrology one-on-one is that you have each individual has a birth chart and the birth chart is a snapshot of the sky at the exact moment that you were born. So in addition to the sun sign, which is how most people interface with astrology, it's, you know, what you read your horoscope as it's based on your day of birth.

you also have all of these other planets and points and astrological data set really that helps you understand who you are, what it means to be who you are, the themes that continue to occur in your life. And, you know, it's truly sort of the foundation of your identity. And then based on the foundation of your identity, you'll find that you gravitate towards different relationships or different themes, or there's different lessons, or there's different opportunities all built around this incredible birth chart. I never knew what's, I knew like what the sun meaning meant or like the moon meaning, but so my son is Pisces. So does like the sun was in the position of Pisces when I was born? Yes. So each placement was in a Zodiac sign,

something that is often, um, it's sort of like a misunderstanding of astrology is that astrology is not based on constellations. It's a division of the sky. So it's, there are, there is an association between the Zodiac signs and the constellations, but it's not a one-to-one in the type of astrology that I practice. So the type of astrology that I practice, which is Western tropical astrology is what it's called. You divide the sky into 12 equal parts. And each of those 12 parts is one of the signs of the Zodiac. So when you were born, it was Pisces season. When you were born, the sun was moving through that segment of the sky that has been allocated for Pisces, but the moon was in a different place. And what was coming up,

your rising sign also indicates a different sign. And this whole puzzle of all of these complex pieces and ultimately parts create that whole, which is then the sky and your chart and through astrology, your experience, your identity. So it's a little bit of, this is why you are the way you are. Yes. And it's also like, this is what you can do with the way you are. Yeah. And to me, that's that's really meaningful because one of my least favorite things is when people justify their shitty behavior using astrology and there's also this trope that is so not real that dudes say all the time which is like oh i was on a dating app and they swiped left because i'm a scorpio and like i've truly never met a person to do this however this concept of like typecasting

or stereotyping or, you know, being the worst version of your sign and using that to justify whatever you're doing is not, that's not my game. You know, I don't like that. That's obviously just bad behavior. Instead, I see your birth chart, including your weaknesses as opportunities. You know, you have those placements for a reason. What are you going to do with them? Right? Like what are the ways that you can express the multidimensionality that you have in your birth chart, what are the choices that you can make that help you align with your truest version of yourself? And what are the different things? So you have the sun, the moon, and how many different things are you measuring at one time? There are a lot of things,

but people, when they first start getting into astrology, usually default to what's called the big three. And from that, you have the sun, which is where the sun was when you were born. And this represents your identity, your presence, sort of your sense of self, your preferences, how you shine, how you illuminate space. It really is like how it's kind of does a solar thing. It's like how you occupy an environment. Then you have the moon, which represents everything that is going on behind the scenes. It's your emotional inner world. It's your sensitivities. It's the way in the same way that the moon is a reflection of the sun. It's how you feel about the circumstances that you are in every single day. So there are some people who have, you know, it's very harmonious

and there is an easy flow between the way they externalize and then the way that they feel. And then for a lot of people, especially for the people who find themselves really gravitating towards astrology, often there is a disconnect and the way that they externalize is so radically different than the way that they emotionally interpret those situations. So for me, for instance, that was a huge turning point is understanding that. But then the other aspect of the big three is the rising sign. This is what was coming up in the Eastern horizon at your exact moment of birth. And your rising sign shows the themes of your life. It shows consistently what you are going to be experiencing again and again. And it's kind of like your outlook on reality.

So whereas the sun is sort of how you exude and take up space and the moon is how you feel, how you continue to experience your world, you know, the road that you continue to drive down and navigate is the rising sign. So those big three is like an amazing entry point. And then from there, we can go into Mercury, which is how you communicate and Venus, which is the things that you value and Mars, which is what drives action. And then there's even more. So it's just this like, it's great for anyone who loves a good Wikipedia black hole. Astrology is like Perfect. Yes, exactly. 3am astrology, Googling chef's kiss. Okay. So most importantly, before we move on to our situations, are Courtney and Travis going to make it? I know you wrote an

article for Cosmo about this. So Courtney and Travis have, so I did a whole segment on my show with people magazine on Courtney and Travis and Megan Fox and MGK. Oh, I need to know that too. Putting them together because you have, because they keep taking pictures together. So obviously you have to do their charts as a, yeah, as a quad. Yeah, exactly. Um, and they both have these really beautiful astrological signatures, both of the couples and their charts. And I think that both of them have the potential to have babies next year. I believe it. I believe it too. They're definitely f***ing like crazy. They're f***ing like rabbits. Rabbits. It's really exhilarating watching these couples. I'm sure. Okay. We're going to find our own suns and moons. Okay. I'm

ready. So Kelty, I am really thrilled to let you know that you are an Aquarius sun with a Pisces moon and a Virgo rising. I knew, I knew it. I, that's why I was like, I bet you can guess. Yes. Yes. I don't even know what Aquarius means. Just FYI, your rising sign is exactly conjunct her moon. Right. And it's that, that's a good thing, right? Yes. It's really lovely. Wow. Okay. You guys all have a lot of really, so in astrology compatibility is called synastry and it's the way that different charts illuminate each other. Are we sinister? Yeah. You're set. You're sinister. Does Jack have any Pisces in her chart? Well, everybody has, um, every sign in their chart, but it's if you have planets in it. Oh. And the answer to that is no. Got it. Okay.

That's surprising to me because Pisces is like very creative. Yes. There's, there's other creative points that we'll talk about. Um, but going back to Kelsey's chart for a second, the question of what does it all mean? Um, let's just break it down. So the rising sign is usually how I start a chart reading because the rising sign in my practice is sort of like the instruction manual. And then all of the other planets kind of fall into place in accordance with what the rising sign believes to be true, because the rising sign is your perspective on reality. It's your vantage. So the rising sign for you is a Virgo, and Virgo is very much associated with healing and helping and wanting to be of service and wanting to do it in a really practical way

driven by communication. So then the chart is going to show us how do you feel the best way for you to exercise that mission is. And on a solar level, so this is what we interact with and we experience, you're an Aquarius, which means that you are really interested in new ideas. You're very cerebral. You're very intellectual. You're really interested in like understanding things, philosophy, challenging things, questioning. There's just a lot of big ideas, but your emotional inner world is very different. It's not as cerebral. It's actually extremely sensitive, extremely intuitive and big, big, big feels. However, I would not be surprised if having all of the big feels that you have can sometimes be overwhelming and daunting for you because you

really try to be neutral. You really want to not put yourself in the situation. You want to stay out of it. You want to give other people platforms. You want to give other people space to be themselves. So it's almost like your big, deep feelings are like, no, stop it. Don't feel that way. Like let other people have their moment. I don't want mine to interrupt, but that's your empathy and that's your intuition. And that's what makes you a beautiful, complex and spiritually aligned person. So I definitely would invite you to keep allowing yourself to feel as much as you need to feel, because that's what makes you who you are. Now I have a question. She's just like speechless. I think Kelty, this is totally me. I don't know, armchair expert in

this, but is there a world in which Kelty is not using her Virgo? Like one of the things is like not it's not allowing her to be like simpatico with the Virgo placement in particular yeah like is there could she kind of attack like knowing she has the Virgo rising is there a way that she can like realign her like train of thought or the way she operates to make it easier for her I guess because it's like we know Jack and I know that Kelty has empathy and wants to help others. And there's this like really well-intended human underneath everything, but I think it gets lost in translation with the way she operates in the world. Does that make sense? Yes. Yes. I'm curious, Kelty, is that how you feel also? Yes. I feel like I'm that friend

that people are always like, like throughout the past six years of Lady Gang, multiple times, different guests or people that we've interacted with have come to Jack and Becca and been like, why does Kelty hate me? And I truly have never hated. I hated one person in my whole life. Like it's not that I don't hate you. It's that I don't even notice you. And I know that's like so dark to say that out loud. But the truth is, is that like, I, I, I guess what you're saying kind of makes sense. Like my feelings can be so big that I don't even really let myself feel most of the time. I just sort of like have learned as an escape mechanism to not have any new friends, to not get close to people, to not like really exist in the world. Like I just do business and

then I go home and like self self soothe, if you will. I was like a mechanism, I think at the end of the day. Yeah. Yeah. And I would say that, you know, was, and this is, you know, the work that I do is obviously intense and heavy. So bear with me. But the question that I would ask is like, were you safe to emote when you were young, you know, and if you weren't safe to have the big feelings and from one Pisces moon to another, I can tell you that the big feelings are cataclysmic, you know, like the waves that we're talking about of feelings are not for the faint of heart. So it couldn't, it's not even necessarily like bad parenting or ill-intentioned parenting, But it's just like if a parent doesn't know how to deal with a child having really big

emotions, then it's easier for them to be like, don't feel that way or stop or, you know, you don't need to you're being dramatic or you're being too sensitive or whatever that languaging was. And then as but then you had an Aquarius sun, which is an amazing defense mechanism, which allows you to sort of disconnect, have that sort of separation, be very cerebral, be very intellectual about and be like, I don't care, which is beautiful because your chart is structured in a way that allows you to protect your sensitivities because you probably needed to protect them because it wasn't safe for you to feel all of them. But as an adult person who now is aware of

your birth chart and is aware that that is something you can tap into, you can continue to find ways to say, I'm allowed to feel this way, or I have this ping of intuition, or I'm having a psychic experience right now. And it doesn't make me weird. It doesn't make me strange. I'm not, I'm justified in the way that I feel. And I'm allowed to have this experience. That's, this is actually insane. You know how they say everything happens like at a time and a reason, like, I can't believe it's six years into the podcast because I have just spent the last year of my life, like deep in therapy and figuring out these like sort of childhood wounds that everyone has. It's your parents, like literally there's no one on the planet that

loves their daughter more than Jack's parents. And she still has wounds from like, whatever, like, it's just the way your life goes. So like, shout out to my awesome parents. Like they're amazing, but my brother's bipolar and, um, he's older than me. And so growing up, I think you're absolutely right. I wasn't really allowed to have feelings because I needed to be a perfect child because I didn't want to bother anyone. I didn't want to be a stress on anyone. I didn't, I wasn't allowed to freak out and have these big fights or yell or needs. I didn't really need to have any needs because I just wanted to be quiet and be easy and be perfect so that they could deal with him, you know? And so in my life and in therapy, I've realized like, it's okay for me to

ask. It's okay for me to feel things. It's okay for me to need things. Um, and I think part of my like nastiness in some ways is that I, I was only really sort of noticed when I was achieving something really, really great. Right. Like it would be like a year of like, Kelsey's just great. So we don't have to with her. Cause she just doing her thing. And then I would be an honor student. I'd graduate like second in my class and people would be like, yay. And then I would get obsessed with achieving so that someone would see me because when I was growing up, my brother was, it was so dramatic and it was so loud and it was so all over the place that, um, I didn't want to be seen. I was just trying to keep the peace. So this, yeah. And then also, you know, part of the,

it's very rare that somebody has such powerful intuition without there being something in their household that created that. So oftentimes like we'll see people who have really profound intuition or, you know, what I call as psychic abilities. And they come from a family where there was someone who was mentally ill or an addict or someone who had like anger issues. And then that person, that individual, that child self cultivates incredible extrasensory abilities to be able to know when something is going to happen without it having happened yet. You know, you can identify like footsteps or smells or just the energy of a room based

on what was, you know, based on even just your brother and his state of being, and then the way your parents were going to react to that. So all of those nuances ultimately translate into your Pisces moon and then become your intuition. They become your psychic powers. They become your ability to pick up on things before they happen. But because it was founded in things that were overwhelming and also stressful, shutting that down makes sense because you're like, if my psychic abilities only alert me to something shitty, that's about to happen. I don't want to know. So I would rather pretend like I don't have any feelings at all and escape from these feelings and have to deal with them because it could mean that something bad's going to happen.

Whoa. I love this. Okay. Let's do Jack. That was like spot on. Amazing. okay jack you are a let me write it down for you yes okay taurus sun taurus rising sagittarius moon among many other things what's a double taurus double taurus means that you were born at dawn and you were you were born at 504 a.m so the sun was so the rising sign is what sign was coming up on the Eastern horizon at your moment of birth. Everyone has a rising sign, but not everybody has their sun and they're rising together because you would need to be born at dawn for the thing that's rising to also be the sun. Right. That makes sense. Right. So you have a shared, so the perspective that you have on reality emulates the way that you are living

your life. This is one of those examples of like a nice alignment, you know, where the things that motivate you, the things that inspire you, the things that sort of drive you forward are true to the things that you experience. And as a Taurus rising, the things that you're really motivated by is like grounding, you know, building something solid, building a foundation, but this is where the complexity comes in, in a lot of places, but just in the big three is your moon in Sagittarius, which says, I hate being bored. I need adventure. I want to always go. I want to do something exciting. I hate things being mundane. Nothing drives me more crazy than that, but it's in conflict with the part of you that's like, but I really want stability and I

really want structure. And I really value those things. That's crazy. Cause it's so true. And I think that that is where I had like a lot of instability in my mid twenties because I always have to be on the go. And I think I was fulfilling like a void in myself because I didn't have that structure like during that time. But that's, I feel like that's where I finally feel grounded now because I have both of those things kind of at the same time. But here's another important thing that happens and definitely important for your listeners, because everyone, including myself, who's talking right now is on the other side of their Saturn return. And I wanted to ask you about this. We're getting into it. We're getting into it. I say this thing called tank, which means

there are no coincidences. So you wanting to ask about it is like also just so tank. The thing with Saturn return is that it's like Saturn represents time and astrology and there's, and in the sort of most non metaphysical, non-magical way, you can't really tell someone who's in their early or mid twenties about what matters until they're not going to get it. You know, they need time in order to really be able to prioritize and see situations and understand perspective and understand that the things that matter right now are not going to matter in five years, but you can like be screaming at a 23 year old to get this. And there's just nothing that is going to allow them to get it, but time. So the Saturn return is from an astrological perspective,

when you finally have enough time under your belt, where you are really the agent in control of your life. And you're no longer trying to appeal to what your parents wanted you to do or what your teachers or what your like freaky boyfriend wanted you to do. And you're like, no, this is my life. I realized that I actually have a very limited amount of time in this, you know, in this lifetime. And I have to be really precious and careful with how I spend it. And I don't want to just waste it. That's really like the truest Saturn return experience you can have is having a, is coming

out of it. So coming into your thirties with a different appreciation for your time and your life and the choices that you make. But like, you know, I was an astrologer before I had my Saturn return. And I'm a Capricorn rising, which is very much associated with Saturn. So I was like, Saturn return. Like, I get it. I was 27 and I was like, oh, absolutely.

I totally understand what it's about, but you really have to go through it. You have to go through those 28, 29, 30 in order to understand like, oh shit, I actually had a lot I needed to work through and I had a lot that I needed to accomplish in order to get to a place where I'm proud of. So I was recently talking about Saturn return with like a few friends and is there like a specific, like an actual specific date when Saturn return starts, depending on your birth chart, or is it just kind of the general, like 20 to 30? It is specific based on everybody's birth chart.

Okay. Yeah. There's going to be specific dates. Yeah. When I put my, like my stuff in it, like aligned perfectly with like an event in my life that I grew like so much from in like a year. So I was like, wow, that's, it's was so accurate. It was wild. Yeah. I mean, your Saturn return would probably have been in 2017 or 2018 based on your chart. When was mine? Let's see. Um,

Becca, yours was in 2015. 2015 is the year we started lady gang. 2015 is also the year that I officially started dating Zach. Yours was in 2016, Jack. It was in December, 2016. So it was at the very end of 2016. That was around my wedding. That was exactly it. Yeah. That was the end. That was the end. That was the end. Whoa. That's so crazy. Yeah. Crazy. I love astrology. I mean, it's the greatest. It's the greatest. Today's episode of Lady Gang is brought to you by PhD Feminine Health. So I think it comes as no surprise that there is a lot of stigma when it comes to talking about feminine care and feminine issues. And a lot of times it can kind of be embarrassing to ask a friend or even a doctor about what's going on, but that's why we

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with people on this platform. So if people want to work with me more closely, that is the place to do it. I love this. So you give a quick breakdown of my chart. Oh yeah. Oh wait, Becca. I'm so wait. I'm so see, that's my thing. I'm not thinking about other people's feelings. Okay. Here we go. Becca. Okay. Becca. So you have this really interesting. So we were talking about synastry and how you guys have really nice synastry together. And Becca is kind of like the, um, Becca is like the, it's not the wedge is like the, what's it called? It's like a it's a joint becca is the job becca is the joint of lady gang because your moon becca is exactly conjunct jack's rising sign in taurus right and your rising sign is conjunct kelty's moon in

pisces and then your son is in capricorn and the capricorn sun is like we have work to do we got to get things done like these are all of the things we need to accomplish and achieve And then the Pisces is like, we're going to have to tell stories. We're going to have to get vulnerable. We're going to have to speak from the truth, from our heart. And then the moon and Taurus is also like, but we got to make this profitable. We got to make sure that this is something that is going to sustain us long-term. So it brings together the sensitivity.

It brings together the practicality. And it's, it's the chart that both of your respective charts are sort of like contained within and illuminated through. so it's really beautiful hold your hand in Austin it's weird that I have holding your hand I have so many Taurus women in my life so many really is that yeah it's probably because I have that in my what do I how do I say it I can't say I have it in my chart I say it's you your moon is in Taurus and also your Taurus node so there you go which is destiny does that mean i'm gonna be really rich yeah

wait what about me am i gonna be rich what's their destiny really as long as you all stick with becca you'll all be really rich we mooch off of her so it makes sense yeah perfect but i mooch off of them for their their skills they just don't know it yeah you do and i have to know it i just want to emphasize this once more is that Becca and Kelty, you guys can really help each other unpack what emotions and sensitivity and intuition are like, you guys are safe people for each other. So don't be afraid to lean on each other when you're processing those emotions. You know what? That's very true. Kelty is somebody who is always no offense to Kelty. Cause it's like, we talk about this all the time.

we're not each other's people. Like in personal life, we have our own separate friend groups. We have our own lives outside of, of this work relationship, even though it's very special, but I always am surprised when I open up and I'm having a hard time. And, and it's like with Kelty and Jack at the, and Jack is just overall like a very sensitive person and easy to talk to, but Kelty always kind of shocks me because I connect very well and very easily effortlessly with her and she's such a like safe place to go to. And it's never what I think. I never think that that's going to be the case. Yeah. That's so true. Yeah. In a way I, it's almost like Becca, your willingness to be vulnerable allows Kelty insight into her own sensitivities.

Oh, okay. I feel that. I think that with both the girls, like Jack being so sensitive and then Becca is like kind of hard and then when you peel her back like an onion she's a little bit more like she showed what she doesn't show it all the time but when she shows it it's really I think these two friendships have been very helpful in me understanding how people feel because does that make sense it's like maybe I haven't had good examples of like how actions can hurt and feelings can get and the ways to communicate without hurting people's feelings. Like they've definitely been that. And I think Becca is someone that has been a catalyst to being like, so here's the thing, like, yeah, you got to be careful about the way you something, because this is, I know you didn't

mean it that way, but this is how other people are taking you, you know? Um, and so that, that has been really helpful. It's really interesting that that's like a star thing. Well, and you're rising in Pisces. It makes sense because when she was saying you like to help people every time you do love feedback that people love you and they think you're famous and all that stuff, but you really are touched by people reaching out and saying that something we talked about really helped them. Like that actually resonates very much with you. So I do think that like, yeah, that's super true for you. Yeah. And I would say that Jack, the reason that you are probably sort of being represented as the most sensitive one is because you do have a really nice alignment

between the way that you see the world and then your solar experience. Like it's not that hard for you to access, like, this is what I want and this is what I need. And like, ouch, that hurt. Or like, you know, I stop doing that and set boundaries as needed. Whereas these two are much more all over the place. Yeah. That surprises no one. I think. No one. We're constantly conflicted whereas jack is like oh i'm perfectly aligned in life is so easy well no i think jack has this this ability like what you see with jack is what you get like she's not going to go to an office and work at a job that she hates and is miserable and then like rage on the weekend and live her best life at another like she's going to she is jack through and through everything

like you said, I think you were saying like her, the way her outer life and her inner life, like she's still conflicted and she still has shit that she's dealing with. But Jack, I think who she is here is like exactly who you see on this podcast, exactly who she's as a friend, who exactly how she's architecturally like designed her life to be. She lives by the beach. She has the freedom of a schedule. Like, you know, like it's, it's really, that's so interesting. She knows what makes her happy. Whereas like you and I, we don't always know what's going to make us happy. Cause we think a lot of different things and they're always conflicting things that we think are going to make us happy. Yeah. I feel like that's where I kind of have like a simple vision where it's

just like, I know that this will bring me joy. So I'm going to do this and not. Right. Yeah. That's your son and you're rising both in Taurus creating that alignment. Lucky bitch. Now I have a question for you, are there any things with compatibility? I know people are always like, should I date a Virgo or should I, whatever, but are there any, like, is your, should your risings really match up or should it be like the three of us where my, you know, like I share a rising and a moon, like, what do you think is the most important? I guess it could vary depending on signs, but what should you look at? Well, you really should look at the whole chart and you should find how two people relate to each other. Um, because compatibility isn't really ever the question.

There's always going to be compatibility. It's more of how, you know, how are these people compatible? How do they work together? What lessons and experiences and stories need to come through from these two people being bonded you know or these three people being bonded like how do these patterns play out so you really do need to look at a whole chart in order to get why you are attracted to someone or why someone doesn't want to be with you or like why there's tension and why there's conflict just sun on sun is not going to give you that depth that you really need sun on sun is going to show you the very surface level of like how two people both sit on a couch you know like that's basically the extent of it but you know when for listeners who

are trying to unpack this for themselves I think that the opposite of your rising sign which is called your descendant so you have your ascendant which is rising and then your descendant which is what was setting when you were born is a really powerful tool that you can use to figure out not who you should be with, but the type of relationship you should have, because this is ultimately what you are striving to create and what you are sort of bringing into your life and what you're, it's like that grass is always greener kind of sentiment where in order to find that, that would be a completion that would feel whole, that would feel fulfilling. Is descending moon or is that totally different. So it's, so it's no descending moon, it's ascendant and then there's descendant.

And yes. So for all of you, for Jack, this is Scorpio for you because that's the opposite of Taurus. So those are relationship. This doesn't mean be with a Scorpio. It means have a Scorpio type relationship, one where you can go really deep and it's psychological and you're really intimate and you're telling each other secrets and you're holding a lot of truth and you know, awareness of the complexities of each other. And there has, it has that sort of weight and substance. And for you, Becca, that is Virgo, because that is the opposite of your Pisces rising. So you are looking to find, or you're looking for a relationship that emulates those Virgo qualities of like, how can I help? How can I be of service? How can I support you? How can I

practically improve your life. And then for you, Kelty, it's Pisces. So it's that spiritual sensitivity. It's someone, it's that energy of like, I am safe to emote. I am safe to be complicated. I am safe to have many, many different experiences simultaneously without losing my core, without feeling like it makes me, you know, without feeling like it damages my person in order to be that way. Wow. Damn. Well, I can tell you, we've never, there's never been an episode of lady gang where all three of us were taking notes at the same time. So you've broken the code of being the most interesting guest we've ever had on lady gang. Congratulations. Um, you guys can listen to, uh, her podcast every single week. Stars like us

go to her website right now and read all these articles that she's written. A lot of them are Cosmo. Just so freaking incredible. And of course, go follow her on Instagram. Elisa Kelly. Elisa Kelly. Elisa Kelly. Elisa Kelly. Okay. I did it great. A-L-I-Z-A-K-E-L-L-Y. What? Z. Z. It's a Z. This was so fucking interesting. I'm so happy to launch the new year with like all of this. And I'm about to become obsessed. I'm buying every book. I'm buying all of your three books. And And her new book, This Is Your Destiny, Using Astrology to Manifest Your Best Life, is available now. Go f***ing get it. And see you next Tuesday.

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