LadyGang - Tan France

Episode Date: July 7, 2020

Queer Eye’s Tan France is here to talk about his amazing story of success despite facing incredible odds. Hear about how he almost wanted to leave the show, how he deals with social media haters, and how he finds ways to stay motivated and inspired. Plus, we’re playing a new game with him…Tan or Ban!  Thanks to our sponsors this episode! Feetures – Get $10 off your first pair at feetures.com using promo code LADYGANG.  OK Cupid – Meet someone interesting. Download OK Cupid FREE right now.   And shop the LadyGang collection now at express.com! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Things are about to change around here. Each week, we catch up with Hollywood's hottest girl posse, Kelty Knight, Becca Tobin, and Jack Vanek. Hello, hello, hello. Welcome to the Lady Gang. I'm Becca Tobin, here with Jack Vanek and Kelty Knight. Hello. Hi, guys. Hello. Do you think we'll ever be together again? I mean, we were together for our express photo shoot.

So, I mean, I didn't touch you, but we were in the same room. That was like our one time for the year. Yeah, that's it. And we are trying to plan a trip together for the first time ever, a couple's trip with the three of us. We need to get back on that. I need it in my life. I invited you guys on my trip. No, you didn't.

You can't do that. You can't call that a lady gang trip if you've just decided on your own where you're going and when. And we didn't know you were going on that trip until you put out of town into the calendar, and then we asked you about it. Kelty. You know what, guys? You know what? This is a threesome.

Threesome, where we make decisions together. Anyways, it's fine. We're going to go somewhere. No, I sent you guys some houses to rent, and no one commented back. Because you're sending it on, like, a Saturday night, and I was drunk. That's when I do my Pinteresting of Airbnbs. Okay, not my fault. Okay, anyway.

All right. Well, in that case, it's time for good week. Yes, it is bad week. Oh no. I'm going to kick us off. Um, so my good week is, uh, Ariel Laurie. She was on our podcast at one point and she's a podcaster herself and she's like this fitness wellness guru.

Um, I love following her on Instagram because she has really great, um, she tags really great things and recipes and all that stuff. and um she posted a treat the other day because she mentioned her husband chuck lori only eats like sweets and he hates when they're healthified you know yeah ding dong looking like delicious hot chocolate thing and she's like this is the only healthy baked good that my husband can eat or will eat and she tagged the brand and it's called coco love cookies they're based in la and they, but they ship everywhere. And I ordered cinnamon rolls, like gluten-free refined sugar-free. I love a good cinnamon roll. You guys, it is game changer. So you can look

them up. This is not branded. I paid every penny and I'm about to order another one. Coco love L U V cookies. It's insane. Are they already made? No, she bakes everything here. she's it's when it comes to me do i have to do any work no no it's done it's done so it's like it's magical i heat them i reheat the um cinnamon rolls because they're delicious but it's so good i love a cinnamon roll and she has so many different kinds of treats on there it's dangerous but delicious. Okay. My bad week is, is there, I'm wondering, is there a medication out there that will make you a nicer person? Like does Prozac make you nicer or does it just make you- I don't know. Let's see. Do you think I'm nice? No, don't do Prozac.

But like I want, but like I want something not that makes me happier, but I guess that might be the root of me being an asshole is being unhappy. But like there, is there not a magic pill that just makes you, I think number one, you're probably fucked, but maybe it's like a hormone thing. Like if your hormones are all out of whack, like it gives you mood swings and shit. True, true. Okay. Well, are you just a nightmare right now? I'm a, you, you guys, I'm a nightmare. I've tried everything. I've woken up in the mornings and I've tried to do a meditation. I've tried to do a gratitude list. I've tried to do so many things to like get my mind right. And all I want to do is like burn houses down like all day long, just figuratively

and literally. Well, I will say there is something that I think could help. What? My friend Jess had me order and I've been taking it. It's called Cortisol Manager. it's like it's like it i mean listen i'm not a doctor i was like cortisol is like the hormone stress cream yeah so my friend was like my friend was like i mean i said i need a xanax she's like oh no you can order cortisol manager off amazon and it like works the same i feel chill but i don't know i also think becca like not to be earthing on you but you need the good and the bad you have to be mean so you can be nice it's the end of the game so you can feel happy no no no i have a bad week um bad week we have officially found a name for the next tour

we talked about it when chillaxification came on one of the chances given to us it is so terrible that it is great okay and i'm naming the tour i'm not even collaborating with you shocker yeah the kelps jaxta vacation tour that that didn't even have any creativity no no creativity boo jaxta vacation it's like a vacation you just said that and i can't even repeat it because i don't know what it was so that's why vacation is way better kelps jaxta vacation somebody just tried to put our names into chillaxification i know and it's so bad that was it tom tobin probably i know it wasn't your dad i'm like tom tobin kelp's jackstep vacation okay how many to you and

we're gonna still brainstorm that's a meter in 2022 what's your good week okay the good week is it's tuesday which means we are now two-time emmy award new york times best-selling author and fashion designer our collection for express has officially dropped we are so excited about the collaboration we designed this like empowering super fun very effortless there's like lots of jumpsuits don't worry um it's packed with our personalities and each there's like becca there's jack there's a kelty guys excited it's real cute it's so cute we did a good job. And it really does have all of our little personalities in it. We cute. Okay. Jack. So my good week is I have a word, a new word, and I made this one up myself because I am so creative.

So you guys know what a man cold is, right? Like a guy, a guy gets sick and then it's like the end of the world. And you're like, I would love for you to have a period once in your life. So Jared, when we first started dating, I'm like, you're not allowed to have a man cold. This is a rule that i'm not allowing to have you're allowed okay anyways go he can be sick but i'm like you can't act like the world is ending if you have like a little tickle in your throat okay but jack in his defense you act like the world is ending with a period cramp because my world is ending with a period but some women can't understand it because they don't have period cramps like me do you have endodermy endometriosis uh not that i know of you should get checked because that is like you should

get checked yours are not normal your period debilitative cramps are not normal no you're not supposed to have a period for 10 days okay so anyways jared's not allowed to have man cold however what i have noticed is that he gets a man injury that now i am calling a hemjury when men it's like he slept on his shoulder wrong and then yesterday we're getting in the car and he's like, Oh, I can't even reach the seatbelt. And I'm like, dude, you literally, your shoulders just like tweaked a little bit, but it's like, it's the end of the world. So it's a hemjury or I was thinking. Hemjury is so good. Is it hemjury or manjury? Hemjury is so much better. Hemjury. So good. It's like Chris is sore from a workout and he's like, Oh, so sore. For like

five days. Zach hits his head every three hours on something and it's the same. Himdry. It's iconic. It's insane. We have to write another book. I know we need another book. I can't believe I came up with it myself. You know, my creativity is off the walls. You guys know we don't have another book deal, right? You do not. We're open. Anybody want to sign a book deal for us? Okay. My bad week is, you know, it's been four months since quarantine. We're all doing our part. We're not seeing anybody. We're wearing our masks. We're doing the thing and then there's motherfuckers like this country artist chase rice who had a full-on concert in tennessee with thousands of people without masks just like nothing was wrong

and it fucking pisses me off because we're all here yeah you've ruined everything we stayed inside for nothing we stayed inside for nothing and it's like jared's a musician he'd love to be playing tours his entire entire career is based on playing live shows to people and they're not because they're being safe and then there's out there that don't give a shit and if we could be playing arenas for lady gang you know what i mean with the social center like eight seats between each we could fill like the first 10 rows of an arena you know that's awesome that's maybe how we do an arena tour is with 200 people at it and we're like see it's just it's so annoying stay home and wear your mask chase rice stupid name anyway stupid fucking name what are you a carb

he's also a he's a terrible country artist and he was the guy on the bachelor that like hooked up with the other girl on the bachelor and the girl and then played for it but then like lied and said that they only had a one-night stand when he wrote a fucking song about her so he's a motherfucker so go to hell chase see a chase look at all this love we're putting out in the world we'll be chasing you and speaking of hating and trolling people on the internet tan is here to tell us some stories after the break we love him now back to the lady gang our guest today has french tucked his way into our hearts elevating the style and giving back confidence as one of the stars of netflix's queer eye he's a new york times best-selling author a fashion entrepreneur and

a bonafide tv host hosting one of my favorite quarantine shows next in fashion rest in peace next in fashion you were great um i brought him here to find out exactly who made the blouse it's black and white that dr ye wore at the end of her episode when she was wearing black skinny jeans and a little heel and a puffy sleeve blouse but also for other reasons just that we love him turn up the volume to this podcast to match the volume of our guests hair it's full guys please welcome to the lady gang and france hello welcome tan we love you um first of all you're so fabulous you can think about the blouse um it is important to me i'm not gonna lie should we get it out the way real quick though yeah do you know it jump in i don't remember it it was okay can i tell you how

this works so when i do that scene in a store especially if it's in a department store i go around i have like 20 minutes i pick whatever i want real quick i have no recollection of what designer section i picked it up from but it was a very very fancy store in philadelphia so it's definitely a designer i just don't know which i think it was carolina herrera oh of course okay cool good no it's good like if you were like it was gap then i would be like cool i'm gonna try to find it online but like i did now you're like no there was one episode where you were like she walked in i don't remember what episode she's like oh oh maybe it's that one she's like there's nothing i can afford in here and you're like yeah there is and then you pulled

like a dolce like leopard jacket and i was like that's like a six thousand dollar jacket okay to be fair other than so i didn't put her in that there was a dress there was that like blazer um blazer dress yeah that was hot okay yeah that one was six thousand dollars but there were other things i put her in that were like a thousand she's a doctor yeah okay so before we start the we're just going to jump right in before we start the podcast tan was very he was two minutes late what the um and he was like i'm making videos for people and then we sort of like mumbled like are you on cameo and we're judging him but he said no and then he said are you on cameo and we said no we don't like cameo and now tan has a public service announcement about cameo i have a full

run kelsey you're being really sweet because that is not you're trying to protect me and i really appreciate you for that and i'll i'll repay the favor in the future but what really happened was i was very snarky saying are you on cameo because if you are yeah um because no i was doing a video i don't just do videos for for everyone quite honestly i'll pick just a few my assistant goes through my dms and every now and then we'll pick a few that were like this person is going through something like let's just say hi um i don't charge because that seems weird it is weird it doesn't not feel like you're taking it back so hard and here's the thing i feel really bad because we all know people i know we all know people that are on cameo and i do respect these

people outside of cameo but when they do cameo i'm like what on earth has life gone so hard for you and some of the people that are on that i know are coinzy i'm like you really need that extra fifty dollars fifty dollars it's like you're a sex worker and you're like my blow job is seventy five dollars but everyone knows your price the problem is yes everyone knows your price you're basically like showing the world your value in comparison to other people's values and some of them are like thirteen dollars however as much as i know that may seem really lame i think if i were on it which i i can't possibly imagine a world where i would be on it i would charge like a dollar to say let's just cover after taxes that's like 33 cents and then tan your entire

life would be recording videos i know i know but have you seen like some people are charging literally hundreds for a few second video that's how much you respect your fans that's i think it's So the only time I think it's okay is when they do donate a large portion to a charity. I did not know that was the case. If that's the case, absolutely fine. Yeah. And then also here as a dried up old actress myself, let me just say, you know, everybody, you get on a hit show, you make a lot of money and then you don't get on another hit show

and you don't make a lot of money. Yeah. you still have really crazy fans and there's like these conventions that you'll get paid you know 40 000 to show up at to sign autographs and to take pictures which is essentially like a big broad version of the cameo thing to me it's very different but go on irl cameo yeah but then i look at these actors and it's like i know they're probably struggling to make money at this point but they still have this fan base so it's like tapping into the fan base as a way to continue to make a little bit of money. So that's the only time. Ew, how dare you make me feel bad on your

podcast. I'm shaming you, Tan. I have my opinion on Cameo is there's only one type of person that I think belongs on Cameo. And it's like a Gary Busey or like a Mr. Bean, or I paid a lot of money paying for Cameos from Constantine from American Idol. And just because he's really weird so if it's like these really weird obscure people i can see it but like i don't need a bachelor person to give me a shout out well that's it's a lot of it is like bachelor people or people from reality shows here's my here a couple of my rebuttals um i understand that a convention feels like the same thing but i've done appearances and stuff it's not where i've charged, but if I've done an appearance, I feel like it's less cringe than, uh, hi guys, I've got

this name that I've got to say. I've got this event that I've got to say, whereas if a person's like, hi, so nice to meet you. Yes, of course I'll sign that thing. It feels a lot more organic. It doesn't feel like it. However, if I did not know that some of it goes to charity, I don't think that's the case for a lot of people. If that is the case, absolutely. I have full respect for that if you're donating if you're not i do think are there really no other options um can we you mentioned money can we also talk about that i don't know how long we've got but i've got longer than you think i have and so what i will say is this i love you what i will say is this go go go and that somebody may have been on a hit show and they may have earned a lot of money um but what i

say to my castmates all the time is be careful of how you're spending your money because this may not last very long don't spend money on things that you technically can't afford unless you have that money in your bank account otherwise when this is all over this is going to come crashing so hard and so make good choices make good choices i was literally last night in the shower i didn't need to add that part i was thinking last night about how many more seasons of queer eye can i watch and i was like a lot like i'm not yeah keep them common we're nowhere near the end like i know you guys are doing texas next and then so that's four right yeah no no no that's six what holy shit oh yeah kind of to be fair it's kind of getting better no no no it's kind of

because we have a japanese season as well it's a mini season but we're just so good and so it's kind of technically we're shooting season seven but we're calling it season six because we don't have like we're definitely going into season 12 before i even think about like are we done the run oh yeah are we yes yeah it's getting better it's getting better it's getting so I honestly did say before season five came out I said to my husband I think we might be over um no and he was like I know this isn't just faux modesty I promise you I said I can't imagine uh people want to watch the show again they know it like they know that I'm going to put so many in clothes now they know that junkie's going to cut someone's hair um however it was shocking to see

the response to season five i was like maybe we have got a little bit longer but i do wonder when people are going to think i know tan now why am i going to watch the show again all right maybe it is purely the heroes i hope so can i ask you a question speaking about being really responsible with money yeah what's the most expensive extravagant thing you've bought yourself since this started oh homes it's property for sure oh just homes just homes he said plural guys he didn't i want to make this i want to i'm going to let's do real talk it's yeah that's the point yeah we don't um so here's the thing and i don't speak as frankly with most people because a lot of the time it's super uptight um and they're always going to twist my words um whereas be ready for

you just my words i'm going to come for you we would never yeah because i can see it um so here's thing with money I'm really funny about money um before I got into Queer Eye I had businesses um that were that struggled so hard when I first started them at 26 um but then by the time I was done I was I sold them and retired and so money has been around for a little while which I'm very grateful for and it's not luck it was damn hard work um and then I got Queer Eye and uh and then obviously this industry if you're on a big show it pays well um and and it hasn't changed my spending i don't spend like a crazy person just because i have a lot more money every now and then i i will buy something splurgy for example i will buy property but that's more of an investment

i i was raised in a muslim household we don't do credit um it's it's one of our big sins and so we don't do credit cards. We don't do overdrafts. So I only spend money that I have. And so I treat money very responsibly. So if God forbid this all goes away, it's not the end of the world. If I have to sell a property to live on that for the rest of my life, so be it. So money has been important and it's a topic I talk about a lot, a lot, a lot. I love this. I also think, oh, go ahead. Do you have a property that the lady gang could borrow to vacation at anytime soon? the la hum's gonna be done real soon i know you i know you all live in la but it's a really cute staycation i love it yeah tan what is your speaking of money what would you charge to

re-record the lady gang audiobook in your voice only god that's a really good question it would be so much better than us reading it i just it's so hard you guys oh yeah we know it's not easy you really do think oh yeah i'm just gonna read and then you start reading you're like why can't i read english anymore but especially my own words and like the tan in our book like there weren't many big words like it was all pretty pretty low level uh english and we stumbled and stumbled and stumbled so the weird thing about recording a book i sorry i wrote the book with a partner but it was it was so clearly me a lot of people when they write a book and let's i would like your your honor we didn't have a ghostwriter we couldn't afford it oh okay i was about to say

did you write it yourself and if you didn't write it was it did you put in a lot of work because a lot of people in this industry when they write a book and they have a ghostwriter they probably have two calls and then they're like okay bitch like go write my book that wasn't the case for me i was on the i was on um uh facetime six hours minimum every week without a doubt and then the rest of the time i was editing it um so i had somebody right somebody was writing out like a transcript of what i was talking about and don't get me wrong this woman is formidable she did a wonderful job of making it seem uh like i was much smarter than i am but it is so so so me but then i got into the booth and i started reading it and even though it couldn't be more

me i couldn't remember how i would say this thing like why does that sound like i'm a drama performer yeah like a shakespeare sonnet yeah yeah it made no sense but i was really happy the result really happy with it and that book was a hit a hit honey global hit a global hit i want to ask you this because when i was you know doing my deep research for this episode i i knew that you had had a past in fashion but i didn't know all of the details so i'd love for you to share with the fans a little like cole's notes version of like tan because i actually think that's also what has made these later seasons of Queer Eye really fabulous is that you've been really open about your story and your family life and the struggle of going into this world when

you were supposed to go, you know, left, you went right and the courage it takes to do that. So I'd love to hear like just a little bit about how you got into fashion. Yeah. Actually, can I touch on the family life first about when it relates to fashion? You can do whatever you want. Okay, thanks um when you are a child of an immigrant um especially a person of color um you have a couple of options to you available to you and the and this is universal if you're asian south asian black and you are an immigrant in a country your options usually are doctor lawyer or engineer and your parents want you to hit the top as soon as you hit that country um and that was the case of my siblings i'm the youngest of my siblings but i i had no affinity for academia i was fine

i always did perfectly well at school i had a natural ability because i'm south asian i guess but i didn't like it i hated it and so i went uh to study psychology at um college and uh and i during my first year i was like this just isn't the life of me but i know my parents will literally slap the shit out of me. South Asian parents are usually quite, um, uh, flop right with a slap. We're not afraid of it. And do you know what? I quite appreciate it. And I, I, there's no shame in it. And, um, and so I really was worried that they were going to either disown me or slap the shit out of me. And so I dropped out of college without telling them. And then I signed up for fashion college. Um, and I, and then I completed my course on my graduation day. I

said to my family hey come um watch my graduation i took her home in my car and um as she drove with me my siblings all went separately and on the way i said hey um you know how obviously i went to school for psychology and i'm graduating today well trick you bitch um oh my god graduating in my fashion major literally slapped the shit out of me i was driving out to pull over i was like I'm driving she was like how dare you destroy our family I was like oh god um and that it I this is going to be so shocking to anyone listening and because it sounds offensive but I'm not uh belittling the plight of the LGBTQ community it was harder to tell my mom I was studying fashion than it was to tell that I was married to a man oh my god were you out before

then or were you I was not no no I was uh I was still in the closet I was out to everyone other than my mom. I came out to my mom a couple of years later. And so it was a really big deal to take a risk and do something creative. But the thing I said to her, to encourage her to stop hitting me was that, I promise you, you know me well, mom, I'm a good kid. I've always been a good kid. I promise you, if you let me do this, I will be the best I can possibly be at this. I will work so hard and I will be your most successful child. And it wasn't an arrogant comment her kids were successful but i knew that if i was going to um deviate from the path that was set out for our people and it's such a common path that our people i better excel otherwise

people are going to forever in our community say you can't do this random creative thing otherwise you'll end up like tan and i refuse to be that and so i worked so damn hard i worked every job i could find within the fashion industry to learn everything i could so that when i started my own company i knew how to do it and i knew how to do it well um and so i studied fashion at college i majored in women's thank you i majored in women's where um it's funny a lot of people a lot of people make fun of me online which i'm sure is no surprise to you people are horrible online but they'll say oh he came out of nowhere and all he does is the french talk and don't get me wrong i know the value of the french talk i mean it's it has turned into a thing where people may not

know my name but they know me as mr french talk and let me tell you that is street money like that has street value i'm not a stupid man um but i what i actually do is i design women's clothing for a living i wasn't a stylist um even though i've been styling for years that wasn't my main job i was a first and foremost a fashion designer and so when people say well he's just a french talk guy actually you're you're diminishing everything i did or denigrating everything i've done for my whole life to get to this point well i know we found that and it was shitty and i thought it was shit i thought it was wait someone said this like a public people no people say it i didn't catch what you had said sorry oh i said i know who said that oh yeah you know who said that

yeah oh i want to know now so this summer during quarantine there was like the battle of the new fashion shows right so there was like two fashion shows there's next in fashion which katan was the with alexa chung and then there was the other one making the cut um and then like there they were always being compared even though they're very different um one's like a sewing competition and one's like a business competition but anyway so like some competitors on tan's show were like oh i wish i had been on the other show because they had naomi campbell and like she actually knows about fashion well of course she's a supermodel icon but like i thought that was really unfair because obviously you have this history in fashion and it's just shitty and it's

just people being mad they got cast on the show that they didn't want to be and then the guy was like anyway it's just shitty but people are shitty what i will say about that is um i understand somebody a lot of people have said why don't you talk about it publicly like this person is dragging you and you haven't said anything i've learned the power of silence in this yes 100 um and also what i have thought is i can't i don't know what it feels like to be on a fashion competition show around a or a competition show where i'm a contestant yeah so i don't know how bitter you one might feel um but i did want to make a couple of comments which i have done up until now which is um you know my fashion history i told you all at the start of the competition when we

started on the first day i said i know that you might all see me as a french truck guy but i literally made multi-million dollar companies by the time i was 32 when i retired because of my fashion skills so please don't just assume that i'm the guy from kurai who put somebody in a french talk um and so it felt like a real personal dig but also naomi campbell yes she's an icon i love naomi campbell however maybe i'm wrong and i'm not trying to denigrate naomi when i'm saying this i'm just trying to express myself stress what i bring to the table naomi campbell i don't think designs I don't think she's pattern caught I don't think she's sewn I don't think that that's her that's her right everyone has their own specialty and when you're you know

the technicalities of fashion absolutely a different thing and so I I am in a position to be able to judge the way you've created this garment and what you're putting out there that's going to be commercial again because I own fashion brands that were commercial I can I think I'm in a strong position to be able to say that's probably not a viable option this one is and if this person thought i was such a moron for being a judge on this show i just think how did you make it to one of the last episodes if i was that stupid and incapable you must be a terrible designer because i chose you to go boom says more about you than it does about me i actually love it and i i really um i really love you as a judge and i love that people are starting through the book

and through you know stuff like this like finding out your past in fashion because i do think the same thing happens with us they're like look at these three vapid assholes and i'm like do you know how much work it takes to build a brand and how much you do before that big thing too it's like i know i love the people that like well they just came out no way nah like it takes so much work where you get a show on tv so it takes 10 years to build an overnight star oh shit girl put that on a t-shirt tam here's my question can i mention one more thing about this and then i'm so please let it go oprah let it go oprah um i i i promised myself i would never talk about it for people but i will say this one other thing um the the tone of the show was we had wonderful producers a

wonderful showrunner who created the show however the tone of the show with all the positivity was something i pushed for so hard when i got the offer for the show i said i will never be involved with a show that is nasty that is mean that is that is going to torture these contestants i know what it is to be a designer i know what it is to put your work in something we will not torture them on national international television it is going to be kind we're never going to denigrate them other other than commenting on the clothes themselves even then we're not going to get nasty way and the amount of times and this person did mention the article um that they had been a bitch so often and it was never shown on the show and i just think who do you think was responsible for

that who do you think it was who protected you to make sure that the world saw you as kind me and you're the one who's coming to me so publicly it was really it honestly hurt me so much i i get so affected by the mean things that are said about me i wish i was a stronger person but it hurts my heart people think that sorry kelty that when you're successful that suddenly you're, you have the thickest skin ever and that you're impenetrable because they think that success trumps any kind of hurt feeling or insecure moment. And I think that if, if, if the public could take anything away from what's going on now in the world and just the state that everyone is in, we're all human. And it's like, it's so sad for me.

It's getting worse. I'm sure. i up until a few months ago i got hate like we all get hate i stopped checking my my dms my assistant does it and she'll just let me know the things that i need to know um which is usually oh my god this fucking megastar wants to be your friend do you want to be the friend yeah well other than that put me through to rihanna but usually she won't pass me she won't pass that information through however i do say look if there's an influx of hate that maybe something has happened that I've done, or maybe I've done something wrong. So I need to know that don't like read the messages to me, but I tell me what's going on. Um, and so I didn't get a shocking

amount, but over the last few weeks I have, and it's been crazy because I've started talking about voting and the importance of voting. Um, but then a few days ago I did something which I thought was just smart and kind and, uh, something that somebody in a position of power should do. Um, and so I posted something it was just so shocking to see all the posts that were saying find something on him and let's take him down so publicly I just thought that's disgusting what did I do to deserve it and that's why so many people in the industry stay quiet because they're so afraid of taking a stance in either direction and I can say personally I've lost many many many followers during this time because I've been outspoken about Black Lives Matter or just even

wearing a mask. I lose followers when I post something about wearing a fucking mask around. So it's like, God forbid you have a kind of controversial, not controversial, but to some a controversial stance. It's like you're fucked and you risk losing it all by using your voice. well and then does this make you not want to like is that does it hurt you in a way where it's like you don't even want to say anything anymore not completely it has made me quiet and down for sure i posted as much about much over the last week or so but then i get people saying why are you using where are you it's like you're damned if you do damned if you don't yeah but when i tell people publicly when i try and say hey when i post this shit i get so much shit they don't seem to

understand that so that you still should be using your voice I'm like you try being attacked constantly like literally crying yourself no one can understand it see how you feel like if you're really excited to post the next day and so it is incredibly difficult it won't silence me for sure it won't it just it has reduced the amount of times I will post however I was literally sat with a friend last night saying I'm so hopeful that one day I always said when I got Queer Eye I was like I will do Queer Eye and whatever comes during that time but maybe as soon as Queer Eye it's done. I might be done because I was meant to retire and I still want to retire. And this has made me think I'm really excited to retire and not have an Instagram account ever again.

I seriously, every single day I think about, you know, it's like it, but it's, it's tricky too, though, because you think I do have this platform. And as a, as a human being who has empathy, who feels like I need to be using it and doing the right thing to help people who can't help themselves but then on the other side of it there's a very human side where you're like I don't know how much me personally can take and you do want to run away I will say that um I am as much as I'm looking forward to a day when I don't have social media it is hard because I know that I'm one of the very very few people that are like me I'm brown I'm an immigrant well I was an immigrant recently I guess I still can call myself an immigrant I'm an immigrant I'm uh brown I'm

Muslim. I'm gay. The main reason I took this job, and I don't know if you know this, but I turned down Queer Eye a couple of times and I tried to quit after a few weeks of filming Queer Eye. And the reason is there wasn't anybody like me. And so that pressure was so overwhelming. Nobody wants to be the first. Well, maybe some people are crazy enough to think they do. You do not want to be the first at something. People will hate you so strongly for it. and so uh now that I've gotten over that hump and so many people and this is going to sound braggy it's not but so many people across the world will reach out to say I never thought I could live past a certain age and I thought that as a kid I thought I probably won't make it past

20 something because I'll be expected to marry so I'll kill myself and so because this isn't we don't have people like this in our communities who can show us that there is light at the end of the tunnel caucasians do some black people do we don't and so uh i i feel a responsibility to continue to plod along otherwise that kid in pakistan who looks up thinking oh i can live that life maybe we'll see i can't see even tan couldn't cope and look at what position he was in yeah and that does it i totally understand it's like all the other guys on the show you know from an outsider this is just speculation but it's like they can sort of have their fun and there's not a whole lot of of responsibility karamo probably feels similar to you where there's a responsibility to

be a role model to be perfect and to be perfect and and i think like the other guys it's like because there's so many other caucasian people who are doing the work and really crushing it using their platforms, there's less pressure for them to do so. But for, for you guys, it could be, it's a lot. I'm going to give the most perfect example and I have given it before, but I'm going to use it on you again, because it really is a perfect example of how people see us very differently. Even though we're the same, we're on the same show, we all have achieved the same level of success together on a show. This is a perfect example. Every news article I've ever seen about me is this. I'm going to tell you the other boys first. So Bobby, Anthony, and Jonathan.

It always starts with Anthony, food and wine guy on Queer Eye, Canadian, super sexy, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Bobby, Bobby, interior design guy. He's the fun cookie guy. And then there's Tan France, Muslim, Pakistani immigrant, also is the fashion guy. It mentions my religion i've never i don't know you know this anthony barbie no anthony caramo and jonathan all identify as christian it has never ever been mentioned in an interview only my race is mentioned only my religion is mentioned only my immigrant status is mentioned it's never just i'm so excited for the day when somebody will say tan france fashion guy yeah is your family proud now or do you still fight against that i it was hard the first um year yeah um and i've

spoken openly about a moment where it looked like they were they might disown me very shortly after the show came out because it starts to reach their home and my hometown is very racist actually and so people were saying really horrible things to them on the street and so there was a time when I thought okay I might not have my family anymore it was we were on so we were about to board a flight to australia for our first press trip um and i saw all the messages coming through my family saying we can't cope with this anymore we don't know if we can see you anymore um and so anthony and i i think i'm very very close i love all the boys but anthony and i are very similar um and uh and him and i had you know this is arrogant but it's just the way life is on first class you have

beds that um that you they come in twos uh by the windows and so oh i know all about first class tan i've educated them on first class on an international flight you get these nice beds and uh i laid in my bed next to auntie the whole time crying and he had to console me for that whole damn flight it was i'm so close to my family i love my family so much like um south asian culture is you are engrossed in each other's lives and so to think that that's it i might lose them over a decision to just tell the people tell the world who i actually am i wasn't doing anything crazy i was just saying hey this is me just as i am uh that destroyed me and so for the the fault we were only in australia for the four days i

watched those interviews back i'm like i don't know that person i was i was shall it was it was horrible and i those press junkets are 12 hours a day sometimes if you're lucky nine or ten every 15 minutes somebody else comes into the room and the amount of times somebody would say tan we know but you just have to smile and get through it oh my god i know it's hard i'm sorry harder than anyone ever would think i mean yeah especially having to put on like the happiest face in the entire world because people do look at you guys as like the perfect ways yeah and like you entertain us yeah and and to know that you were going through something that was like so horrible and heartbreaking is i love this but we got through it and now it's wonderful and now you're

here now you have homes yeah and they wasn't sure they're like oh my gosh like it's wonderful and what you're doing for the world i was like yeah i know how did you not see that yeah because people are dicks tan yeah i know i know that's the take away from today people are fucking assholes listen we love tan when we come back we have invited here to talk some shit like i love this conversation and thank you for being so vulnerable and open with us we need to be like you're right let's when we no no no i we love it but when we come back i want to know what you think about you're listening to the lady gang okay we're back we're gonna play a quick game here before we lose tan

um and this game is in honor of him it's called tan or ban i love that name kelty good job isn't that so original she was waiting for the feedback it was there's five seconds of silence i was nodding i was nodding are you guys it's fine usually kelty comes up with names and they're really really bad so this one was pretty good yeah thank you so i have um i have collected some hot topics from out in the world and um we're gonna see what tan thinks and everyone's gonna vote tan or ban okay ready so first of all this one's for you becca cool oh no the acting world just got harder a robot named erica was cast as the lead actress in a movie she quote she was created from scratch

to play the role in other methods of acting actors involve their own life experiences in their role but erica has no life experiences one of the writers explained well this is like have you seen the instagram robot little michaela yes i mean she's taking away every influencer's job she's doing millions of followers so many ads so many ads i mean it's the same thing essentially is like well i guess it's not because you can still be the voice of an animated character i mean i'm into it i'm gonna tan it whoa you're okay with erica it's like it's between you know what i know variety magazine reports that because you can't compete no jealousy there because it's like it's ai yeah you know what erica might be the next bond girl but i can taste banana bread you know

okay wait tan's not gonna turn it oh no you're banning i'm banning it too no i'm banning it it's the same thing there's now like ai robots that are writing like perfect pop songs and my boyfriend's a musician i'm like well there goes your job too we're all just getting replaced i just think of all the industries can't we just have a few especially creative stuff that's done by a real person one of the jobs i get like science takes over but when it's something creative let us live let us live okay tell my truth a fashion question for tan cardi b um recently was spotted with her beautiful daughter in matching mommy and me dolce outfits what do we think about a mommy and me matching memento as far as the fashion honestly okay i'm gonna turn it

to a certain extent i do think it's adorable listen i am really excited to have kids and i know i'm gonna do lame shit like that as well yeah daddy and me with my daughter um but i do think the dolce things have stretched too far why would you put your child who's going to last probably three months in that thing that cost a fortune i know she probably didn't pay for it it was gifted but still like get a grip if it's something that's accessible and cute and just like a one-off i like it if it's your life please know so like a target matching outfit yes but like an occasion but do not make that your story otherwise you birth your best friend and she's gonna hate you for it when she's older yeah i mean the only way that i'll be able to match with

my child is if they dress like i mean an old woman like an old lady or like uh just menswear can you put a little toddler girl in menswear i mean i guess that's pretty chic that sounds awesome i will do that thank you my problem now is the opposite of that that i only wear very low cut or high slit things that i cannot be putting my child into that because that opens a whole different you don't like a skunky daughter look actually weird tan and becca you guys would be best friends because your your style is very similar it's like turtlenecks long sleeves like very long sleeve tan i actually have to tell you i recently like within the last year there was a website that i love that's like really chic designer like very nice clothing and it's called

themodest.com. And I love it so much. And I was talking about it on the podcast. And then somebody DM'd me and they said, do you know that that website was made for people with religious constraints? So I think that, I mean, I honestly, it is how I dress. So I'm no shade. I love the modest. I love it. I do. So, okay. Maybe you don't know this. Sorry. We're going to get back to your game Cassie I promise no you're fine I don't care maybe you uh don't know this but uh one of my first brands was actually a modest clothing company really I sell my product to so I used to design my own brand but then the likes of forever 21 would uh would at would buy it from me but would ask for their label to put in it's called be put in it's called private label

yeah yeah and so I uh I used to sell to them they had no idea it was modest clothing company literally no idea but it was actually made for mormon women so they could cover um certain parts of the body but you would never have known because it was chic it's so chic love that so chic boom gwyneth paltrow's released a new candle everyone 75 dollars and it's called this is what my orgasm smells like what does it smell like what's the scent i have no idea there's a lot of um i'm gonna ban this real quick for women maybe but no gay man wants her vagina candle or her orgasm candle in their house no thank you there is there are real luxuries and perks to being gay and one of them is i don't need to smell your orgasm

boom i don't even want to smell my own orgasm um a very important something happened uh paul mescal my celebrity crush was spotted running in london in a short short um no i'm gonna take this everybody shut up everybody shut up um do you love him i'm gonna turn to like the nth degree sorry oh my god i'm gonna turn to the nth degree um i am obsessed i love him however he is a lot younger than me which i know i think he's like 15 no he's 12 years younger than me i think he's 26 25 26 he's like 24 um but gorgeous is that show what people normal people kelty is the is the picture at hand the one in the white short short he's always in the white short shots okay o'neill that he's always in them here's my thing about short shorts on men or shorts on men

i love them if you have like a leg muscle leg and he does muscle he has really beefy legs and he has great man legs for those so white they are so white they're good and beefy i think i'm triggered by a really white thick leg because i think of myself so i can't i can't take that i have got to ban that you know okay um okay i do want to ask you what you think of yeezy for gap okay here's the thing i've won yeezy me and anthony have twinned in yeezy a couple of times on the show um i will say this i'm not a supporter of kanye i have loved his music in the past clearly i'm not a fan of his politics or pretty much every one of his views um however just because i don't love his views doesn't mean i don't like the collaboration he's done with

adidas and i do love adidas um uh i do like that they're making it more accessible i don't spend a lot of money on clothes i never have i never will um i don't buy designer clothes i will borrow them for events um and if they get a gifted wonderful but i don't buy designer clothes um i just think it's gosh that it's so expensive and because i know how much clothes cost to make and believe believe when i say that most of them cost maybe 20 of what you're paying and so once you know the insider deal you just you it makes it not an option for you to pay full price um so that's why i like that they're doing a a an accessible version however i think it's an interesting choice to do it with gap it's not a store i've been in for many many years i can't imagine if that's

going to revive the brand it seems like a weird it seems like a weird one so i'm going to say tan with conditions well it is i hate to tell you but it's going to revive the brand because dorks like kelty are going to rush to their local gap and be invented so easy she's thinking about it she was gonna do it and now she's not out of spite i'm not think no i'm not thinking about this particular collaboration but like if harry styles did harry styles with gap you know i would go stand in line with his fashion too i'd sleep over three three you know tan for the gap like i'm there i do think that they're gonna make just probably just sweats so i just think i don't need to get my sweats from gap well that's the annoying thing is like

all of these people are like i'm doing a coverage and then it's a hoodie and i'm like no that's what it is it's a screen printed hoodie that's all the no things are yeah it does make a good easy just slightly the this the fabric that they use for their sweats is the best fabric i've ever had for us a pair of sweatpants or a sweatshirt fine i'll go to the gap can wait gap is or easy is so easy the gaps is gonna be like shit yeah gap will not be using that fabric and i know that fabric's a lot more expensive they will not be using that but i do know that the sweatshirt fabric is very easy all right so my last thing tan is before we wrap up with you i do want to ask you to tan or ban the we must wear masks and now they're starting to sell like to mask

with the outfit like same a matching matching matching set the dress matches the mask what are your thoughts i'm gonna i'm gonna give neither a uh a tan or a ban for this reason as long as you can wear a mask that's all with yes like amen i don't care if it matches your outfit i don't care if it looks like your fucking vagina i don't care if it looks like a dick on your face just put a dick mask like yeah just put a mask on just put a fucking mask on and be a decent person you know i tan it because for some basic bitches that maybe wouldn't wear a mask if it didn't match their outfit perfectly it's like now you're cohesive absolutely that's why i say it's neither a tan or a ban i'm like as long as you're wearing it doesn't matter whatever it takes

It really is important for you to make sure that the mask on your face matches something. So be it. Like, if that's the life you're living, I think it's a little bit sad, but go for it. I mean, if it matches, fine. But if that's what you desperately need to make you happy, don't do that sad. But just wear a damn mask. Also, why aren't people appreciating that you can cover up your face? Like, I'm having breakouts from the stress.

and being able to put on a mask and slap on some mascara and look like a beauty queen is incredible legit i've said exactly the same thing thinking it takes no effort for me to get out the house anymore i don't want to put my mask on i don't need to worry if i haven't washed my face to go to the store who cares they can't see me nope sunglasses and a hat and you're in a disguise i know you are such a beautiful man it has been a joy to stare at your face for this hour thank you so much your hair is so beautiful your hair is amazing is it naturally curly and you blow it like that or is this just um yeah and i cut it um a few a few weeks ago because i was sick of it so this is definitely me done off but i cut it myself i didn't do one day you were on a flight

with me and we were both in first class kelty go yourself and um i just want to say i watched you i wanted to say hi but i also believe in respecting people that's like sometimes they're only alone so much yes but i did watch you like a hawk and you were so nice to every single person like from the flight attendants to the people who passed you and who were big fans like that's when you know someone is a really good person when they're good when no one's watching thanks except we're always watching tan like a stalker page six on speed dial tan was a dick um if you haven't read tan's book you can get it right now it's called naturally tan it's fabulous and you can follow tan um on instagram at tan france but only say nice things um and of course i know you've

already binged everything that's available for queer eye but you can binge that um if you're not done yet and tan please come back when you find out who made the blouse thanks i will can i pitch one of the one of the things yeah yeah i've watched season five um you might want to watch a show called boost my business they're like seven oh yes yes yes yes no this is great it's like businesses i go around it's a campaign where i'm trying to help businesses come out of covid small businesses oh my god i love this yeah it's amazing it's on facebook watch small businesses um that really need some support and from me being a small business owner i wanted to be able to impart some advice um so it's a really cute show that is so cool i love it what's it

called again boost my business boost my business guys we're watching it it's like pit my ride but better yeah damn i i'm gonna we're about to apply um tan we love you thank you for coming thank you for making our queer eye trifecta on lady gang um full and um see you next tuesday yes see you next tuesday you want to see you next tuesday thanks for listening and make sure to rate and review this podcast wherever you get your podcast we have new episodes of lady gang every tuesday and thursday follow us on social media at the lady gang uh follow us personally at kelty most importantly at becca and at jack banik the lady gang network is produced by will sterling steve delamater kirsten woodward and elizabeth beckway thanks for rating and reviewing wherever you get

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