LadyGang - The LG Network Presents: The Stacks with Traci Thomas

Episode Date: May 1, 2019

New to the LG Network! Check out and subscribe to more episodes at this link !   The Stacks is thrilled to announce we are now part of The LadyGang Network on PodcastOne. Don't worry, there are no changes for you, we're still the same bookish podcast you love. In order to kick off our new partnership, we've got co-host of The LadyGang and correspondent on Entertainment Tonight, Keltie Knight. We talk about starting your own business, the value of a good first impression, and books about dogs. You can find everything we talk about on today's episode on The Stacks website here ! Connect with The Stacks: Instagram | The Stacks Website | Facebook | Twitter | Patreon | Goodreads | Traci's InstagramSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hello, everyone. It's Wednesday and you are getting a show because it's our new book podcast. That's right. Introducing The Stacks as the official book club of The Lady Gang. So Kelty's the guest today and make sure you go subscribe to The Stacks. And for all book info, you can visit thestackspodcast.com. Enjoy. welcome to the stacks i'm your host tracy thomas and today our guest is co-host of the lady gang and entertainment tonight correspondent kelty knight it really is only fitting that we have kelty on today to launch the stacks as part of the lady gang network on podcast one if you're an old fan of the stacks don't worry nothing really is changing around here and if you're

new to the show, welcome. This is what you should know. The Stacks is your literary best friend, your virtual book club, and your one-stop shop to everything books. And it's hosted by me, Tracy Thomas. The two-part chats are new every Wednesday. Part one features a conversation with our guests about their reading habits, books they've loved or books they've hated, books they're embarrassed that they still haven't read, and a lot more. In week two's episode, my guests and I will discuss The Stacks book club pick with titles ranging from hot new releases to forgotten treasures. You can always find out our book club picks in advance on our social media accounts and on the website. I've left links to both in the show notes. If there are going to be

spoilers, don't worry. I will always let you know in advance. Plus, every other Monday, we have many episodes called The Short Stacks. They're interviews with authors about their process and their books. And now that we're on the Lady Gang Network, which is part of Podcast One, you can find the show on Podcast One, Apple Podcasts, or wherever else you listen. Want to be a part of the show? Great, because our segment Ask the Stacks is all about giving you book recommendations on air. You email us at askingthestacks at gmail.com with your name, what you're looking for, and maybe a few books that you've liked or not liked so much. Then tune in to hear our suggestions on what you should read. Email us at askingthestacks at gmail.com. Want more of the stacks? Head over

to patreon.com slash the stacks to be part of our virtual book club, get the inside scoop and more shout out to our newest member of the stacks pack. Katie holes, the nagel audible is an awesome resource for those of you who like an audio book. If you want a free 30 day trial and a free audio book download, go to audible trial.com slash the stacks. Okay. Let's get to my conversation with Kelty Knight. All right, y'all, we are here today with Kelty Knight. Kelty is one third of the Lady Gang. She is a TV host at Entertainment Tonight, and she's a badass girl boss. Kelty, welcome to the Stacks. We are so excited. I'm so excited to be here. I'm so excited to be here. I guess now that this episode is out in the world, people know. People know our news. The Stacks is part of

the lady gang network it has been my dream i think since like the first month of lady gang to have like an official book club for the lady gang readers because we have so many people reading and we have a couple little like kind of secular groups but when you came to be on our podcast we were like i was like wait i love her i love her and then i went down a deep dive and i was like oh my god this is exactly what we want so basically we just stole you you already had your own thing But we're like, come just hang out with us and be part of our gang. And so we're just, we're so thrilled. I'm super excited to be here.

I mean, I'm exactly where I was, but I'm excited to be with you guys. Because normally you guys launch new shows. So I'm your first kind of like pickup. Yeah. So you're essentially like an indie artist at Coachella who everyone knows about, but like needed a major label, record label to like get you in the mix. So yeah. And I definitely have a flower crown.

Thank you. Obviously. Yeah. So we, yeah, this is the first time that we like from conception haven't really, what you do is perfect. So we're just kind of like putting in our network of shows, promoting you, um, showing you to our lady gang audience who we have like so many book lovers. Um, so we're just hoping to help you grow and mostly just use you for your book recommendations.

Sorry, Tracy. So people are very one-sided. It's okay. No, I think I'm going to, I'm going to be happier. I think it goes we should just say for those of you who are new here welcome and then for those of you who've been listening for the last year pretty much nothing's changing yes you might you know meet new people that maybe we wouldn't have had on the show before because like I didn't know Kelty before but for the most part the show will stay the same the first episode will be about books

and recommendations and talking to our guests the second episode will be a book club where we talk about the book and if there are spoilers on that episode I will let you know in the show notes I will link to everything we talk about in the show notes. I'll also be linking to our Facebook groups. There's two Facebook groups. One is like a book club and the other is a book exchange. So if you're hoping to get a book or send a book, that's where you'll find that. And everything we talk about is always linked in the show notes. So if you're new, welcome. If you're old, still love you. Love you a long time. Yeah. Okay. Let's talk about Kelty now because that was like too much housekeeping. Just tell us a little bit about yourself, Kelty. So I, I'm just like so

excited that I was on a book podcast because I am like a self, I say nerd, but then people are like, don't say nerd because it's not nerdy to love the things you love. So for me, I'm a bullet journal enthusiast. I love to journal. Um, I love to scrapbook. I have been, um, a reader my entire life, mostly because I'm like an introverted extrovert. So I'd go on TV or I go on lady gang and I'm like, I'm wild and I'm crazy. And then the way that I find new energy is I like hide in my bedroom with like a candle on and like read for six hours or on a Saturday, which I just did this weekend, like Sunday head off. I read an entire book all day, just in bed. That's like my dream. I read work party by Jacqueline Johnson. She's like a, she created, um, create and cultivate

like a, she's a 24 year old entrepreneur. And she had some like real bad-ass business advice for girls, for ladies that are like, how do you fire someone? And I was like, Oh, I mean, I'm not trying to fire you, but I'm just saying like, if you need to in a few weeks, yeah, it was really good. So, um, but I, I'm, I'm that kind of person. I'm really, I'm married. I've been married six years. I have a house here in Los Angeles. Um, I have like four jobs. Um, and I just have a lot going on, but I'm, I'm very passionate about being an entrepreneur and I've lived my whole life in show business, waiting for people to call me and say yes to me and me audition and then be like, we want you. And at this series in my life, um, which is why I can't contain my excitement that

you're here and i'm on your show um is this that like going out and and making my life look the way that i want it to look like engineering oh well at some point i would like to just podcast all day because i i find this form of show so intimate and so powerful and so i'm just really excited i love that wait i want you to talk a little bit about being an extroverted introvert have you read the book quiet no okay i'm gonna send it to you okay it's about introverts and like how they recharge and how they work in settings and how they engage with the world because it's different yeah like if you're an extrovert extrovert you recharge by being around people and talking and in group settings you know you are able to get that vibe from people but introverts there's

like a lot of stigma around it so the book is kind of about like the power of quietness and like thriving yes it's going to be perfect for you my husband calls it a putz what is it what are you doing this weekend and i was like he's like you just having a putz and it's just like i just need time where i'm in my house alone or like with him in another room like he'll be reading or watching tv or on his computer and i'm just like cleaning a drawer and like he said why are you always putzing and i'm like that's my form of like right recharge what's your sign i'm an aquarius and i'm a three on the enneagram have you done that i've not i don't i've not done that i'm i'm like not really that into it but I feel I feel like water signs are like because I'm I'm well my whole thing

is fucked up so I was born July 22nd very late at night which is the last day of cancer so my whole life I thought I was a cancer and then I moved to LA and somebody read my chart and my son was in Aquarius so I'm I mean not Aquarius my son was in Leo so I'm actually a Leo but I had all the jewelry that said cancer and so I'm really don't god damn it Etsy god damn it that's exactly right but both of my rising and moon are Aquarius so I do have that water in me but I feel like water people like to putz a little we like to jitter around so what kind of advice do you have for women who want to start taking charge of their own lives like in creating things that fulfill them and you know following what you're talking about yeah I think one of the things like

you're such an inspiration and the reason why I instantly was drawn to you is because you were like you know this is something i love and i love i love reading i love books i'm gonna start my own book club and it's gonna be sassy and cool and awesome like i just love when someone's like that and whether or not i think my advice is to just start you don't really i mean everyone's like oh you need your your business plan and like how are you gonna you know live on this you know whatever but i i'm not from that i'm like let's just start just start it if it starts as a hobby don't quit your day job right you know but um if it starts as a hobby or if it starts as something you're just really really really passionate about and then you you know you go from there when we started

lady gang it was just becca tobin and i being like we want to create something so that we can't get fired we want to be the boss like so that no matter what if she her acting career goes up or down or my hosting career goes up or down we can always have this as like a backbone we'll never have to be worried or desperate that sense of like oh i have to have this and so that's when we started we had no idea that like, then we would launch a network and a tour and a book and like all these different things. So, you know, we just started, we just were like every Tuesday, we're going to put out an hour show and you just start where you are. And I think my advice for women is don't apologize about liking what you like or staying in your space. I see so many people come to us

and be like, well, I just wanted to, I just wanted to check in. Or I just, I just wanted to see if you would be interested. Like if you believe in what you're doing, like, hi, I'm Kelty from Lady gang here's my project right take a look right don't be scared of the no don't be scared of the no and don't apologize for existing like before yes it's like the that's you know first impressions are important and if your first impression is i'm terrible and you're doing me a favor yeah it's not ideal well and i think that you i mean not to like always turn my question your question about me to back to you but i think that like one of the things that i really love about you is that you like treat the stacks like this is oprah's freaking book club well it is well i

know obviously but you know what i mean like you you it's so important to you that everything's right and it's so it's so you that it's like you're you're precious about it and i love that like you stand in there and you're like no this is the book club this is the stacks this is what we're all about this is the show and like don't mess with me you know what i mean and i love that because it's like, you're not like, well, I mean, like you have a backbone and I love that. Like, I think women need to just like, if you know what you're doing is great, sit in it. Right. You know, totally. I couldn't agree more. What, what besides like kind of that nervous energy or that apology, pre apology, what stuff do you feel like you've seen that is like harmful for women when they're

starting out creating their own stuff? I think that, um, someone's path for them is not always the path for you. So I had an era of my life where a lot of my girlfriends were starting to have kids and they were losing themselves a little bit and everyone got into the MLMs. Like, you know, like the Ava, I don't know, like all the different, I can sell this from home. Have you listened to that podcast? No, there's a podcast. I can't remember what it's called. It's like investigating them, right? Yes. And it's so good. Yeah. You'll love it. You'll love the host. She's like funny and like great okay continue so i had a section of my life where a bunch of my friends like a lot of them were all kind of going like some were selling spices and some were selling oils and

some were selling this and i had a couple friends that absolutely have slated this because it was so on board with like who they are as human beings right and then there was a lot of women that i knew that i was like you're not a salesperson like you're you're you're my my girl like you're not as, and then they would be like, do you want to buy? And you're like, you're just not everyone's path. Like when you see it on Instagram, you see it out in the world is the right path for you. Like, and I think women make this mistake of being like, this is my one secular life and this is what it should look like. And these are the Instagram filters and the steps I have to take to happiness. And everyone has like a one size fits all life. And I think that,

um, all those people have quit those jobs since then and have gone off and done other things that have been like more them and they've had great success so it's like i think sometimes wanting look there's women that look at us and they're like oh i want a podcast like i want to start my own lady gang i'm like that is awesome should you start your own lady gang like because we had becca tobin who had just come off glee who had a fame and a large following like that absolutely helped us we had jack vanik who was an in-house graphic designer right so we never had to invest in you know like we wanted to do it and then we looked around we're like oh this is like something that we'll be, we'll be able to do because it's in our, I'm really like rambling, but how do I

say that? Like concisely, I just, just because pink hair is the trend doesn't mean you should have pink hair. Right. It's not right for everybody. Right. Well, so next week we're talking about tiny, beautiful things by Cheryl Strait. And I feel like one of the, not to get into it, but one of the big themes in the book was like, trust yourself. And I think that that kind of goes along with it, that it's like, you can want to be successful, but you don't have to do it the other person's way. Like you can find your own way. Cause like if I, I could have tried to start a lady gang by myself, a solo lady gang, but like, I don't really have that much to say about a lot of other things. Like I have a lot to say about books. So I was like, well, this is the

one place I feel like I could really dive in. Yeah, exactly. You have to really be sure that it's like your steez and not one of the things that we now, um, a lot of people come to us obviously. And they're like, Oh, I want to start a podcast with you. So they come. And then what we do is we give them like this four page questionnaire and it's like, it's like an SAT. It's like, who are you? What do you do? What do you want to do? What are your first 20 shows? Like who will be your guests? What will be the topics? And the thing is, is everyone has a good idea for an hour is what I always say. Like, cause you're at dinner with your girlfriends. You're like, we should start a podcast or like, you know, we should just start a clothing line or like I should

start a blog and you have ideas for like one hour or three posts and then after that you're like oh so we make people like do these like crazy long plans because it's like to plan out a launch of something it's like it's more than just your one hour right no totally that's actually hilarious um we didn't make you do that you already had your show i wonder what i would have said if i was like oh what are my first places i don't know i listened to this podcast that used to be a radio show it's about sports it's called the tony kornheiser show he's like a sports guy i love it It's an hour and a half a day, five days a week. Do you listen to it every day?

I do. I haven't listened to it yet today, but I do. And he used to be like on radio. And he always says, everyone thinks they can do my job, be a radio person. And you probably could on Monday after football season. And you probably maybe could on Tuesday. But what's your Thursday show? Yes.

Like when there's no sports or like maybe there's been one game and there's no news drop and nothing happened over the weekend. And he's always like, some days he'll come on and he'll be like, today is a real Thursday show. And he'll shoot the shit about anything. But, like, it's kind of that same thing. It's like you have this great idea, but how do you fill it out? And that's not to say that you can't. It's just, like, you have to think about these things at some point. No, it's true.

And I even get that, like, a little bit with my job on Entertainment Tonight. I think that, like, after the Oscars, it's real easy to be a TV host. Oh, my God. Nicole Kidman's dress. oh my god leo kissed his mom but like on a thursday when the lead story is jennifer lopez wore pants right and nothing is happening and we still have to go on to five million people or on a day when you know michael jackson dies and it's like this horrible news like that's not a fun day it's not fun to be like prince is gone like oh um and so that it's exactly the same thing

It's like, it's easy to be like, oh my God, they're engaged. I'm like, that's easy. Right. The hard stuff is like when there's nothing and you're like, we do it with Lady Gang TV too. Like sometimes in our allegedly what's happening, like our little hot topics, there'll be great weeks and there'll be weeks where like, these are the stories. Right.

There's nothing to talk about. We can make anything funny. Right. That's right. Well, that's what works about you guys. Okay. Talking about your job on ET, what celebrity have you met where you actually like Kelty in your heart fangirled?

It's really nerdy. the ones that get me are paula abdul every time and it's it's almost to a point where i think she's gonna get a restraining order paula abdul is my life is the first compact disc i own shut up and dance like i and you know growing up in like the early 90s like you had a discman or a cd player and i mean i had a tape player too i'm kind of old but um and like that's it like there wasn't a spotify where you could like i'll listen to a million songs like you had your one disc and you played it over and over for two years straight yes that was paula abdul i love paul i used to make my brother perform like the rap rabbit on the opposite track dj scat cat yeah i obviously was

paula there was a lot of choreography straight up was also a really big number in my house big number big number yeah so i like loved paula and when i see her i just kind of blows my mind that i'm like sitting next to like in the same space as her yeah because i grew up in northern in canada and like i was into celebrity i was more into like new york broadway than i was into like us weekly right so for me i was like oh it's whoever actor whatever number five i don't really care but like paula abdul really and then i know this is like so cliche but the first time i interviewed oprah i was like i get it i understand your orbit i understand like you when oprah's looking at you, she really makes you feel like you're the only person in the world that matters.

And I was like, Oh, I'm like Kelty on this TV show. Like I'm not, you're not inviting me to harvest like nobody, you know? And she just has this, God, I wish I had that power to be that same kind of human. I just don't have too many things on my mind. I want to be that person too one day, but we'll see. Um, okay. What about something that's super glamorous about your job? And then what's something that's like kind of garbage that maybe people wouldn't think is kind of garbage if you have one of those yeah so the most glamorous stuff and this is perfect timing because the met gala is a couple days away from when this is going to air um and getting the planning of like finding a dress getting it fitted picking out my accessories like the glam of having

like a professional hair and makeup team come and do you and make you so beautiful and you take the photos and you're like i am so amazing um that is like the most glamorous thing i love a red carpet it i really love a look okay like i know i'm not a star and i know that i go way over and people are like why is she trying so hard i'm not trying hard i'm fulfilling my soul of a showgirl and like i just love a fucking costume sorry i don't mean for it i love a costume so much so you can swear here don't worry okay i love a costume so i um that is the most glamorous i think the thing that people don't realize is that i mean up until i changed jobs like two years ago my call time was 345 every morning so i was working from 345 until like 9 30 at night and when i say like i was

working like i didn't have time to eat lunch like i went i got in the makeup chair at 345 and then i was on a red carpet at night and i think that people don't really necessarily see the hours like for the last month i had the entire month two days where i didn't have to work in some way two days where i didn't have to have like an eyelash glued a hairdo an outfit like working um because when you're in these positions where you maybe have the job that everyone wants you can't really say no so when they're like oh you're gonna fly to new york and do this interview on a sunday and you're like okay and then they're like and then you're gonna turn around and take the red eye and then you're gonna go to san francisco and then you're gonna you know it's just that the

hours and that sounds i always have a trouble complaining about it because then i'm like well what about the moms right like their jobs never stop so like who am i to think like oh i'm supposed have a day where like people aren't bothering me like or be a mother um but it is hard because uh there's a lot of small talk and i am an introvert which we talked about so it's like i have to go on set and then if the star isn't there i have to like small talk with all the people around me for like two hours that is like exhausting for me right like i just want to sit in the corner and be like okay i'm gonna charge up before jennifer comes in here but um it's just a lot of like detail and there's a lot of studying like before the grammys we did

the Grammy red carpet this year. I mean, I'm in full on SAT mode. I have a little card with every star's name. There's like 400 of them and like who they're married to, when their birthday was, when's the last record, how many Grammys have they been nominated for, how many they won. And I memorize it all. So like anyone can walk up to me on the carpet and I instantly know I don't need to fumble with a card. Right. And I don't have to do that, but that's like how I run. That's your personality. That's how I run my business. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, we're going to slightly transition to books now okay yay so the first thing so we started this new thing it's called asking the stacks and it's actually called ask the stacks but the email to get your recommendation is

asking the stacks at gmail.com and people send in an email saying like who they are what they're interested in and then we give them a book recommendation okay so today for ask the stacks our person is brie her instagram is at brie esquire reads hi brie hi brie here's what she says, I have a wide range of reading tastes. I like adult, YA, middle grade, so feel free to recommend any age level. I have three goals this year. Have less than 50% of my reads be by white authors, read at least 25 nonfiction books, and read 12 books that will relate to my work as a public defender. Wow. So we can kind of tap in any of those goals. And then she says she loves To Kill a Mockingbird, The Hate U Give, Just Mercy, Good and Mad, The Bluest Eye, and she didn't love

if Beale Street could talk or I'm thinking of ending things. So that's our goal. I'll go first. You have a second to think. Okay. My recommendations for you, Brie, are The Sun Does Shine,

which was by Anthony Ray Hinton. It's about a guy who was wrongfully convicted and put on death row and his conviction was overturned. And Oprah loves it. So obviously I love it. I haven't read it yet, but I know I love it.

And then The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander. Both of these authors are Black. So that covers all three of your goals. The New Jim Crow is about mass incarceration. And it's amazing. And then the other book, which I haven't read, but I've heard really good things, is called The Fact of a Body by Alexandria Marzano Lesnovich. And they are a genderqueer person who wrote a memoir about a true crime. So it kind of combines both things. It's a memoir and true crime together and their story about themselves in this crime and the crime itself. So those are my recs for you, Brie Kelty. Okay. Hold on.

I'm in like my deep Google. Okay. Well, all right. So I'm not anywhere near Tracy level on books. So my recommendations are going to be pretty bad. But I want to tell you, and I don't know if this is going to count. She wants nonfiction books? Yeah, but she also likes other.

She gave us some fiction too, so don't worry. Wait, can I recommend the Crawdad book? Yeah. Where the Crawdad sing? Yeah. Delia, Delia Owens. Okay. Have you read it? No, not yet, but you read it and you loved it. Yeah. Okay. So because you're like public defender, what's really cool about this story is that it's basically the rights and wrongs of humanity. It's like this, this girl, she has this

like horrible life growing up. She's like thrown to the wolves kind of, and then she finds this land on this marshland essentially. And, um, and, and builds her whole life where she doesn't need to go into this town that sort of ostracized her in a way um and then like who does that land belong to like she's been living in this march for 50 years and like i don't know there's just like all this righteousness about you know the rules of life and how you treat people and like what is right and what is wrong and so i think you might enjoy that because it's like a very twisted and reese witherspoon it's in her book club and she's making a movie of it and it was one of those books this character kaya is this is she's just like the most fabulous character like i just okay i'm doing

a horrible job. All right. That's a, my other book that I think everyone should read ever, ever is Shantaram. All right. Is that too old? No, no. Okay. There's no, there's no right and wrong. Okay. I spent most of last year. I had this goal. Same as you. I want to read this many books in this minute. I want to read 50 books last year. And I really got stuck in Shantaram for like two months. And then I read the other one, the morning glow or whatever it is. He has like a followup book. That's another 1200 pages. So it took me like six months to read both of these books but it was like the best story i've ever read and that's all i'm gonna say to you okay perfect brie those are your recs let us know if you read any of them let us know how they go

we want to we want to hear back from you i'm so basic i'm gonna up my game now that stacks is on lady gang like i am gonna go and be like so obscure and be like oh have you read blah blah blah blah no but that okay that's the thing about books every book is obscure to you if you don't know it do you know what i mean like people i read a ton and i'm like very interested in books and people will tell me a book and i'll be like i have no i've never heard of that and you'll be you haven't it's a new york times bestseller i'm like yeah but i feel like things are obscure just because you don't know them like it's just not in your wheelhouse um can i ask you something and you can totally cut this out if it's not if it doesn't work um i want to ask you because i didn't even

think about this till you sat down and she asked this question is the same struggle that's going in in hollywood with with black artists happening in books is it harder to get published and yes totally totally so that's actually funny we're there's a big debate going on on book instagram it's called bookstagram hashtag bookstagram um about not only getting the books published but also getting the books reviewed by what is called own voices reviewers which are basically the people who review the book are like the characters in the book so right now publishing is like extremely white and unlike most industries it's also very women heavy it's like something like 70 or 80% women.

Yes, which is kind of cool. Which is cool. However, it still means that it's very homogenous. So the books that are getting published are being greenlit by a certain kind of person. And because publishing is really hard to get into and a lot of the jobs require internships, you have to be from a certain class

to be able to do the entry-level work. You've got to go to this school. Well, and you have to be able to afford to be working full-time for free, essentially. right and so you know there's there is a movement towards publishing more diverse books and there are some publishers that do a really good job and some that have a lot of work to do but also then to get books to be able to be reviewed and that's important because you might miss something in a book about a Native American story if that's not where you come from and you

might think oh this seems really far-fetched and so when you write your review you're like the book wasn't that believable it was good the writing was fine but it wasn't that believable and if that book had been reviewed by someone who's Native American, they can say, Oh my God, this is my life. This is right on. Or, Oh my God, this is horrible. Who, this person who wrote this book has no idea about what's going on. And so that's really, really important. And that helps book sales. So if you want a, and then the other part of it is there's this thing called comps, which are, if you pitch a book and you're like, I'm Kelty, I'm writing a book about being a host. It's kind of like, and you'd say like six or seven books that it's like, well, if you're an

author of color who's writing about a genderqueer Native American girl off the reservation who like lives in the city there is no comp for that and so you're it's harder to sell your book it's harder to get and so like there's a there's an article which I'll link to the show notes about comps from last year and like the percentages were just terrifyingly terrible so yeah they're that's all part of it's all it's going on everywhere right this like drive for diversity and inclusion and equity in publishing and these stories and a few years back the atlantic published something saying that i believe college educated black women are the most likely people to read a book and you would never think that based on what's published wow i don't know if that's still true i think that

was like 2014 or 15 but even still like i don't think that that is the person when i read the article i was like really yeah i was like i am a college educated black woman and i feel like that's not real yeah but it's true actually when you think about it because i was thinking like as you were answering your recommendations i was like oh well like let's think of like who you've read that's been a black author and i'm like i don't know that like i mean other than rupaul like i don't know that anyone like stands out like that i necessarily i'm sure i have but like it hasn't been anyway so i'm gonna okay i'm gonna diversify my book supporting yeah it's diversify your bookshelf there you go we'll help you with that if anybody else has diversifying their bookshelf

goals, this is a good place to be. Okay. So we're going to start with you. Two books you love and one book you hate. Okay. The first book I ever fell in love with that really changed my life was Wally Lamb. She's Come Undone. I have read that book probably five or six times over the years I read it. I mean, it's very old, but it was just a book that like, I just fell in love with the style of writing and felt like, oh, I can find myself in a character because I think up until then, I was quite young when I like discovered it, but I was reading books to escape. And that was the first book that I fell in love with. I was like, Oh, other than like, are you there? God is me, Margaret. Um, but I, I fell in love with her as a character and was like,

Oh, I can like really understand some of this. So that book I think changed, um, really, really, really, really changed me. Oh, okay. Another book that I really, really loved, um, that has served me is Barbara Walters memoir called audition. It is huge. It is massive. It's like 600 pages, but I found so much great advice on being a, she was such a forefront. I, first of all, I love a biography. That's like my number one. Like I always like a true story of someone's life and I hate when they're written badly. Like when people throw it together, you can totally tell, but like a great celebrity memoir. I love it. So that book really like, it just changed my life. I love the way she, can I give you one more that like, really, now that I'm looking at

my list, there's an amazing book. It's by an indie author. I want everyone to know about it. So I'm going to shout it out right now. I had an old intern here and she, um, her name's Dydene and I'm going to, Dydene, I'm going to mess up your last name, Umniana, and she's from Rwanda and she wrote her memoir. It's called Embracing Survival. Both of her parents were killed in the Rwandan genocide in front of her.

um and she was six years old and she was homeless and anyway her entire story i never i went to rwanda last year for a charity mission and i never really understood the genocide because this was something i studied in school it wasn't something that i i mean i saw hotel rwanda and i knew the story and i knew about the history books but i got really into it her book was the most heartbreaking thing i mean people getting their arms like cut off in front of me it was so insane but this book of her being like nope this doesn't define me and then coming and then knowing her she came here she was internet entertainment tonight like it was just life-changing and it's like on amazon it's 11 all the money goes to her like she's self-published embracing survival that'll

be in the show notes people okay um book you hate oh my god the mountain shadow i don't know the mountain shadow is the follow-up to shantaram okay so shantaram is like 1200 pages of like the most amazing story the most amazing characters you love them so much and it was a worldwide hit like oh my god amazing amazing the rights for the movie and netflix has been going around for 10 years and then the author wrote the mountain shadow which is the fall another 1200 words the most disappointing book it's like the characters that you love later in their lives and all the magic is gone and it's just like shit for shit throwing ideas i mean it is the most i I almost quit it a hundred times. And then, cause it's so long. I'm like, I am so invested in this,

but then I thought, Oh, well, what if it gets good at some point? Right. Do you allow yourself to quit books? I do. I do. It's hard for me. It's hard. I do. Sometimes I just put a book down. I like, I'm not that into it in the moment, but I know that I'll go back to it. So I kind of just, it's like, it's in my house. If I really want it, I can go back. There's, I'm not a giver upper, but this book, I was like, this is so shit. And I can tell that your publisher was like, write another Chanterelle right of course sometimes my husband's in the music business and he's like sometimes like an artist like he always says Maroon 5 like Maroon 5 has one songs about Jane right like they're gonna release 10 more albums that are great but like there's one song about

Jane like everyone has one first album and I think sometimes an author has like chasing that they have one great novel in them and then like this next one was like oh yeah that's no good what about the last great book you read? The last great book I read was The Honey Bus. I don't know that either. Oh my God. See, obscure. This is all obscure to me. The author is named Meredith May. The book is about this girl. She has this sort of hard upbringing with a hard family, a hard mother, and a grandfather who on his property has this old bus where he farms, like has beehives. And so like that's why it's called the honey bus got it and she has to be certain age before she's allowed and the time she spends in the bus with her grandfather like just changes his life because

he's like this really wise like overcoming adversity story when this book ended or towards the end of it um i'm not gonna ruin it i'm not gonna spoil it yeah no spoilers okay i bawled like a baby like i was so emotionally attached these characters it's um wait so fiction is not real okay so it's a fiction story but oh my god i bawled like i was like so attached to these people and i was like i want i think this is turning into a movie too it's so good okay honey bus honey bus what are you reading right now um oh my god right now i just finished that work party book and i have a book on my bookshelf and i'm reading it and i'm like halfway through and i can't i'm not gonna be able to remember the title sorry it's okay it's a bad one don't worry do you read

I just got a library card. So now I'm like really deep in like my library card. Do you do audio books or no Kindle or anything? No, I tried to get into the Kindle. I can't, I got to hold it. I got to smell it. I got to like, I got to know I got to have it with me, which is annoying because when I go on vacation, okay, I'm going to change your life. Ready? So I don't, I I'm strong. I used to have a joke with my sister-in-law that I was going to start a movement called books, bitch, which was just about physical books. I've since become less of an asshole about that. But I went to Japan 18 days, took some books, but borrowed my best friend's Kindle. And what I put on it, and this was huge for me, is I borrowed from the library books I already physically owned

so that when I got home, or if I wasn't that into it, or if I started and didn't finish, I could still finish the actual book. So it's like doubling up. But because it's library, I didn't have to pay for it so it felt like okay to do that and if it ran out I still had the actual book and I ended up reading two books on kindle the first two books I've ever e-read in my life and it was like okay because I knew I had kind of like a backup plan for travel only I don't know about that it worked for me also you can do audio you're a real nerd I am that's like that's a level of even nerdiness that okay it's true it's true but i do eat i do audiobook through the library too but when do you audiobook i on my car ride over here um when i'm folding laundry when i'm

in the shower if i'm not listening to a podcast so podcasts always go first and then audiobooks also you can i found out you can speed up audiobooks yeah so i do i'm listening to kamala harris's book right now at 1.5 it's a little nasal but it's pretty much fine yeah yeah yeah and our sponsor here is audible so you can have your first 30 days and your free audiobook if you go to audibletrial.com slash the stacks oh that's great in case you wanted to try audiobook for free yeah um let's see what are there anything is there anything on your list that you're looking forward to reading like books on your shelf that one comilus yeah yeah it's pretty good is it good yeah it's pretty good i mean it's like a mix of memoir and kind of like policy and

a little bit of like tooting her own horn kind of thing do you think that she has a good shot i hope so yeah she seems like a great woman yeah i like her a lot i like what she's done she's from oakland which is where i'm from i went to high school with her niece so i she's been on my radar for a long time i like her a lot um i don't have a book that's on my list but i have one more recommendation go ahead um you know i cover the oscars at entertainment and all the award shows so usually the books that are the movies that end up winning the big awards are usually based on a great book from like years ago and this year all the books were kind of shit except for black klansman oh the movie if you like the book i like the book see i did not like the book i like the

movie see i hated the movie interesting they're different they're not the same they're not the same story no i like the book was remedial like it was like very simple yeah but i don't know i i also was like in the middle of a chin surgery and like on a lot of drugs when i read it but i just thought it was like i really enjoyed it more than i've enjoyed any what i'd call like oscar books yeah because a lot of times like the movies are based on like this this book and like i don't know did you read the wife by meg so that was a book i haven't read it either but i've heard the movie was insane and i've heard the book is really good oh i want i would put that on and she has a new book um the female persuasion i think that came out last year the cover is really cool

it's like bright colors um let's see well you talked about this a little bit do you have a reading goal for yourself this year? Yes. So last year I wanted to read 100 books, 2018. It was lofty. I think I got like 12. It was bad because I read really big, long, like really, I had the Michelle Obama, like, I mean, I just had like a lot of really big books. So this year I'm doing 50 books and I'm already at 22, which I feel really good about. And I think it's because I started my bullet journal this year and now I'm writing down every book and like a little review of it in my bralette journal so it's keeping me like super motivated i love that um and i've also like i read every night before i go to bed that's like how i calm down so i've been like really on

a tangent of like reading so i i would like to read 50 books but i also i'm such a a type uh people pleaser that like i want to read the books because i can skim a book right i want to really read really read it well you are almost on track for a hundred you know and some of them are big Again, some of them are like little, and now that I have the library card, I feel, because I used to buy my books at Costco, because they're like always a little bit, you know, and then I just like realized I was spending so, such a ridiculous amount of money. And I started a book exchange here at the CBS offices, and I was like the only one doing it.

There's a great one, our New York office, because our New York Entertainment Tonight office gets all the books from the publishers, which like you get as well. And so whenever I go there, I like always steal like 10 or whatever books, but here no one wanted to do the book exchange with me. So I was just like, I just have piles of books and then I'm like, I'll exchange books with you. No, I know. I'm going to like give you a box. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm going to give you a box. Are there any things that you wish were different about your reading life? You read a lot. So are there things that you wish you could change about it? Yeah. I, I think that the having now being a member of the stacks is going to change me a

little bit. I think that my, um, like we were talking about before, I think my reading is not super diversified. I'm someone who spends a lot of time in airports. And so I think that whatever those top shelf books are that have the major publishers before them that get in the fronts of bookstores or the fronts of, you know, bodegas in the airport. Um, that's what I pick up. And so I want, I think that I really want to help you to help me support authors and use my power and my platform to like help authors that maybe wouldn't necessarily get there to be successful you know what i mean yeah it just takes a little bit of a shift in your thinking too because i keep tracking my books onto the crazy spreadsheet i'll send it to you i'm sure you'll geek out about it but

it tracks my percentages and like if i were left to read on my own devices just based on what i like which is like a lot of true crime and non-fiction i would read a ton of white men because that's also who is allowed to publish those kinds of books and so i actively am like okay like right now i'm like 35 books or something into the year and i'm at like 58 men so i'm like okay i need to pick up some women books i'm like it's a conscious effort for me and that's someone who is like very focused on making sure that my bookshelf represents like what i want the world to represent yeah so i think for for most people if you're not thinking about it you're it's really easy to read a bunch of white guys or a bunch of white ladies or a bunch of people who look like

you and it it's good to diversify but also those tables publishers pay to have the book facing out right or on those front tables at barnes and noble that first table that you walk into the book that's like sitting up facing you when you walk in the door there was money yes just so you know people yeah no i know and i'm like you know why don't we i need to like use my power to and that's one of the things like the library's been awesome about is that you can go in and you can find books and right there's like and if you live in a place not like us in la where you go to your library and you ask about a book and they don't have it you can ask them to get the book and that helps your library obviously diversify but it also helps with book sales and it lets

people know that like that's a book that the library should have same with pre-ordering books that really helps an author especially a diverse author or an author of color or of gender identity whatever it is if you're pre if they're getting high pre-orders the publisher is going to say oh we need a second printing or oh we should be pushing this book more in bookstores people are interested in it so if you're passionate about that kind of stuff those are things you can do as an individual calling your library and say make sure you have this when it comes out yeah and interesting um you know this is like we haven't really announced it but i i know you know like lady gang we're putting together a book and when we were going around to all the publishers

and working on contracts and stuff i found it so so interesting that like if you if you purchase Have you talked about this before on your show? No, I don't know. If you go and you purchase a book on Amazon.com, like a hardcover paperback or whatever, it counts as like 0.25 of an actual book towards like the sales of the author's book. If you go to an independent bookstore, it's weighted. So that counts as like if you buy one book at an independent bookstore in your town, it counts as like four books.

Wow. I'm saying towards the New York Times bestseller list, which is like a dream. But if you go to a Barnes & Noble, it counts as like something else. So it's like this really weird, you know, if you're an indie artist and you self-publish something and the easiest way to put it out is like on Audible or like an Amazon account, you can't really staff your book into like a book, vintage bookstore in Idaho, but like you're losing out because you'll never make the list. So one of the things that exists is a website called IndieBound. I don't know if you know about it. But yeah, so you can shop on IndieBound and either generally support independent bookstores or you can shop through IndieBound and buy from your local bookstore.

So it's basically like a way to make it. Or if you live somewhere and you're like, I don't like my local bookstore, I want to shop at that bookstore in Tennessee, then you can do it that way too. And we link to IndieBound also in the show notes. So if you want to shop through IndieBound, if that's more convenient for you, that's an option. i am a big fan of get your books wherever you feel like you can get your book so if you think you have to shop through amazon and that's the way you have to do it get your book yeah and if

you're a library person get your book yeah but there's definitely ways to get your book to support authors and artists and all that stuff and i'm an advocate for all book things i love it um honey those links gonna be hit up yeah let's go let's go rock out indie bound this week um okay do you have a favorite bookstore since we're here. I don't, I mean, I should, I, I, I love a bookstore though, but not, not a particular Kelty favorite. No, I spend so much time in airports. Like my favorite, my favorite bookstore is LAX. It's horrible. So shitty. What's the last book that made you laugh? Um, you know what? I just finished Karamo, um, Karamo from Queer Eye's memoir-ish book um he made me cry a lot but he made me laugh a lot especially in the his whole book like the

first you know 15 chapters are about his life um and then his last little bit is about the queer eye auditions and like how it all came down for them to be in the queer eye the new five five and it's just a funny he's a funny guy i've not even seen the new queer eye it's really good i've heard it's good i don't know i don't watch any tv anymore yeah what was a book where you felt like you learned a lot. Oh yes. You know what? Um, I'm going to go back to work party. So work party is this book by Jacqueline Johnson. She created this thing called create and cultivate because she realized that there were all these, um, sort of like better yourself business, uh, conferences for men. And there wasn't anything for like young millennial women that had to do with like better

yourself, but also like an Instagram feed and like all this stuff. Um, and so create and cultivate it is this huge worldwide like you go for a weekend and you have all these speakers and it's amazing so she wrote this book called work party and it is like the tough love of being a woman in the workforce and there were so many tips and thoughts and things that she brought up about contracts and you know a lot of times like i'll get these this is like stupid but i'll get these like little deals for lady gang like oh hey will you guys come here and do this thing And I'll be like, yeah, and I'll just sign the contract. And like, God, I should have had a lawyer look at that. Like, I don't know what I'm signing, you know. So it was like a lot of like how to how to nail an interview. And the thing that really stuck out to me was that she said, like, your reputation is your reputation from day one. So like you don't get successful and then decide you're going to be like a nice person that everyone's going to like. Right. So like your hustle on the way up. And I have the issue of like that I can be in my introversion. I can be like kind of short with people. like i'm really i describe myself as a boss bitch like i have a lot on my plate i have a lot to do

i'm like a to-do list person where i'm like okay let's go through all these things let's get them done and it's not because i don't love you or i want to coddle you or i want to like everyone to feel fuzzy and warm inside but like i'm trying to i'm a business woman so sometimes that i think can come off like becca um tobin will be like it's not that you're mean it's that your tone is cold and I'm like ugh and then when I read Jacqueline's book she was talking about she's like your reputation follows you forever so if people think you're cold

or they think your tone is off or they think you're like difficult or whatever I hate the thing of like difficult women. Difficult is bullshit. I'm like go fuck yourself but you know that'll follow you forever and I've sort of gotten myself down a hole because when we were making the Lady Gang TV show I was so precious about

it because I'm like this is our brand this is our baby and Becca and Jack are like a little bit more like it's gonna be what it's gonna be and i'm like no it has to be like i just and i i really got into a place where i think i was like possibly cruel not cruel but like mean or anal or difficult for sure um and then i was like oh any of these like 40 people that i've been working with on this project when i go see them in 10 years on a different project they're gonna be like oh right she was hot she's a real dick you know like everyone says that ellen is like such a dick they're like oh ellen is like such a bitch and you're like well ellen she's like

america's sweetheart like behind the scenes she's has this reputation of being like really awful and i don't want to be that person right right nobody wants to be so work party i really liked it actually what about a book that brings you joy the book that always brings me joy um oh dog's purpose i love any dog i just i've read like so many of them i love any through the eyes of a dog story i'm a sucker for a goddamn golden retriever friend no came out last year i don't know if it's through the eyes of dog i know it's about a dog and a woman who's a writer maybe or something but it won the national book award oh in the fall so it's like it's a big it's a big deal book but it was a small book nobody talked about it's also tiny i think and apparently it's

about a dog and people love it okay i just read this book unsaid by mitch album who wrote the five people you meet in heaven well it's like maybe the worst mitch book and definitely the worst dog's point of view book but like still so enjoyable i love when a dog is like where are my people like you're like oh they love the food they must be gone no yes i mean sure sure tracy take it to the it's not really in my wheelhouse but that's just surprise zero people um no one's surprised by that you're not like i like hate fiction i don't hate fiction i'm learning to like it but like anything that's like make-believe i don't like magic i don't like i don't i don't like fantasy i mean i read the harry potters because you had to i've never done that but

like i don't like fantasy i'm not into sci-fi but i don't really like like just i don't like you know i like i like a heavy like i like plot and i like like heavy i like dark i want to feel the weight of the world like that's like my my jam like i like a book about a prison i like the dark arts unless like something terrible has happened to this dog i'm probably not interested and it would usually someone dies right and the dog always dies at the end oh well spoiler i guess i don't have to read it now there's always a bearing of a dog where you're just weeping in a corner you're like oh sorry dog funeral not available um this is terrible i i like dogs they're lovely what's a book you feel embarrassed about never having read

probably everything political okay like i know that i'm supposed to read all of the politics books um the last politics book i think i read was like the seven uh the 9-11 files remember when that came out. Oh, yeah, like the whole big report. I mean, I read, like, Hillary Clinton's book. I, like, read Obama's. Like, I read those books, but, like, I don't know. Like, history, current event.

More historical. Like, if it's, like, this is the battle of whatever, I'm not into it. I haven't read any of that. And you know what's also messed up is that, and I don't know if any Canadian listeners will agree with this, in Canada when I was growing up,

I studied, like, British history, and I studied Asian history, because it's like a large melting pot of asian people in canada but we never studied u.s history so like all of that the like embattled history of the united states like i've had to learn as an adult well do you know in america they don't actually teach u.s history they teach some like weird version of events where it's like a lot a lot a lot of like pre-revolutionary war a little like they're like there was this thing called slavery and then we fought to end it and then it's like okay civil rights like there's like a whole like 20 years there's a war called the

korean war that was fought and lots of people died and i read a book last year that was the first time i ever learned anything about the korean war and america was part of that war like vietnam was like we fought in vietnam maybe we lost we're not sure nobody knows what really happened okay okay and then okay reagan and you're like what so don't feel too bad you probably know what americans know about american history kelty i know that you guys are doing a lady gang book but if there was going to be a book of kelty's life who would you want to write it probably you i can't write it's gonna be notes but it's gonna have to have a murder in it it'll be a podcast it'll be me being like so then kelty went to the store so i don't know if you know this about me

it's super embarrassing i self-published a book you did when i was like in my 20s yes about what So this is so embarrassing. Oh, my God. I'm so excited. We're going to buy it. Okay. It's called Rockettes, Rockstars, and Rock Bottom. I mean, it is so emo.

I was spending a lot of time on the Warped Tour. So I had this blog called High Kicks and High Hopes, and I, in my 20s, was, like, codependent. I loved a boy. I loved boys, and I loved rock stars. So I did three in a row, and it was terrible every time. And so I wrote – I took this collection of blogs and then turned it into this, like, why do I just keep dating the same guy over and over again? And then the story of, like, now I'm going to be alone and I'm going to figure out how to love myself. So it's, like, 60,000 pages – or 60,000 words.

And it's pretty pathetic. It's very remedial. But I love it. Okay. So I wrote that. So you'd write your own book. I'd write my own book. but now um first of all no one would want the book about my life because it's like literally

me sitting in the corner crying and then like being out like fun at work you're a rockette you are on entertainment tonight you're like do cool things people would be so interested i will say i have a great idea for a book when i retire you're gonna write i'm gonna write a fucking burn book of hollywood i have everything written down i have all my stories and i'm gonna name the names i'm gonna be like julie roberts you were awful like you know what i mean like i'm gonna i'm gonna really go there and say the things that i want to say because kathy griffin did that book this is not in your wheelhouse but she did like an a to z of hollywood okay and on every letter she was like jay josh groban the biggest player in hollywood that no one would expect is like

like fucking everyone like it's wild anyway i want to write that book that's really mean-spirited but i think it'll be really fun i'll read that that's a real one that's a real one we'll do it i love that okay that'll be a murder so don't worry someone will go to prison in that book There have been some Hollywood murders. Yeah, exactly. I'll read it. I love it. I love a petty.

I love a mean. You do? I do. I know. I love petty. I know. I love petty, too. The Lady Gang book is very petty, so you'll be very excited about that.

I can't wait. Oh, my God. Do you know when that is supposed to be eventually in the world? I don't know. Like 2021? No, no, no, no. I think it'll be 2020. Oh, wow.

Fast. It's like we're almost done. Wow, amazing. Okay, well, I love that. We'll be talking about this. Don't worry. Okay, this is pretty much my last one. Okay.

I steal this one from the New York Times by the book. If you could require the current president of the United States to read one book, what would it be? God. Countess Shooketh. Well, I mean, in my humble opinion, the current president of the United States needs a lot of books. Yeah. Well, can he read? This comes up a lot when I ask this question.

Yeah. The thing is, this question came from the New York Times, and they did it before. Like, it used to be you were telling Obama, and I think they probably did it even before then. It's, like, part of this questionnaire that they do with different authors. So now the question feels, like, really weighted and heavy and almost kind of mean-spirited. But it's not – that's not the intention of the question or the book or the question or of the New York Times. It just so happened that given what happened in 2016, the president wasn't someone that necessarily could read, that we thought could read. Right, right, right.

That we're sure about. You know what? i will say i don't have a good answer for this but i'm gonna say i was so impressed with michelle i mean i know michelle obama's book is like such a juggernaut and like of course it's fabulous but you know what really struck me in it that i think that our current president could read is like just not take yourself so seriously like that you are the president and you have the nuclear codes but at the same time your energy is the energy of a country you know and i thought that But there was like in Michelle's book, she was like, I just wanted to like roll down the window or like I just wanted to like go out to Target.

And, you know, I think, of course, everything is serious. But like there is a pettiness to the media world. And like but I liked how in her book she was sort of open about turning the eye to that and knowing like not everyone's going to like me. Not I'm not like but ha ha ha jokes on you. I'm still happy and I love my husband and like everything's going to be OK in the end. Right. I don't know. I think there's a lesson there. That's what I loved about the book. Like, I love the inner working of, like, understanding her mindset to, like, not go insane in that little bubble of not being able to open the windows in your house.

Right. Yeah. No, it's true. I haven't finished it. I'm, like, 75% through it. I'm listening to it also. Yeah. And I agree.

I also love that she failed the bar the first time. You know? So did Kamala Harris. Oh, she said that in her book, too? They both failed the bar the first time, which is like, if at first you don't succeed, you could run for president and or be the first lady and also go to be a huge deal, even if you fail the first time, whatever your thing is. Don't most people fail the bar the first time?

I don't know. I know people do. I don't know if most people do, but I also don't know that I would think these two very accomplished women that I know and think are just perfect and amazing and wonderful would. I have such a good Michelle Obama story. Can I tell you before? Yeah. Okay.

We could close with this. Okay. We'll close with Michelle Obama. Okay. So I had just finished reading her book around the Grammy time, which was February. And I was hosting the Grammys for CBS with Eve from the talk, you know, Rough Rider Eve. And so we, for the last section of the show, Eve and I were like carted underneath the Staple Center and we threw to, you know, Alicia Keys being like, and the Grammys start right

now. And so Eve and I are standing there in our little dresses, and we're, like, holding our mics. We're ready, like, counting down in our ear. Okay, okay, ready. And, like, this buzz, this energy starts coming. And I see this, like, sequined pantsuit, like, strutting. It is Michelle freaking Obama. And, like, I'm telling you, the air was different.

She's so tall. I didn't – I mean, I knew she was tall, but, like, Honey is a goddamn supermodel. I mean, she is so tall. Her presence, like, it is even a bigger presence than, like, Oprah Winfrey. Wow. She has this aura around her that's just like, and there's all the Secret Service and they're getting everyone out of the way. And Michelle Obama comes over to Eve and she's like, Eve, girl!

And she's tapping her on the ass. And so then Michelle, and then she kind of makes eye contact, walks away. And as she walks away, I'm like, oh my God, I didn't get to meet her. And I think Eve was kind of like, afterwards I bugged Eve. I was like, why the fuck didn't you introduce me to Michelle? And Eve was like, I'm sorry, I was so caught off guard, whatever. Anyway, so Michelle walks away, and there's a video that we have of me just yelling after her, I loved your book!

I just yelled it in her direction. Oh, my God. I loved your book! Like a loser. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I love that. Anyway.

That's so good. She was amazing. Okay, well, we're going to end with, I love your book. I love your book! I love your book. She's like, yeah, so did the whole fucking world. She's like, have you heard of me? It's the best-selling book of all time.

So next week, we're back. We're talking about Tiny Beautiful Things by Cheryl Strayed. There won't be spoilers. If you don't know about the book, it's a book of advice from when she was an advice columnist. It's fantastic. It's my second time reading it. I love this book. So check it out if you want to read it.

If not, you can still tune in next week. Kelty will be back. We'll be talking about it. Kelty, thank you for being here. And we will see you guys in the stacks. Thank you all so much for listening to today's episode. And thank you to Kelty Knight for being our guest. Kelty's back next week to talk about Tiny Beautiful Things by Cheryl Strayed as part

of the Stax Book Club. I also want to say a special thank you this week to Alex Ingber, Ashley North, Claire Leahy, Taylor Ruffin, and Joseph Papa, not to mention the ladies of the Lady Gang and the folks at Podcast One. Remember to get your book recommendation read on the air by sending us an email at askingthestax at gmail.com. For more from the Stax, follow us on social media at thestaxpod on Instagram and at thestaxpod underscore on Twitter, and check out the website, thestackspodcast.com. To join the Stacks Pack and

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