LadyGang - WHAT THE HAIR? WITH DR. BRIANNA DIORIO

Episode Date: May 22, 2025

In this follicle focused episode of Ladygang, the ladies sit down with Dr. Brianna Diorio from Nutrafol to talk all things hair—from thinning strands to "trauma bangs" and those dreaded post-shower hair monsters. They bust common myths like, will plucking a gray hair make four more grow? The ladies also swap personal hair struggles and talk about how stress, hormones, and nutrition affect your locks. Dr. Diorio also breaks down why Nutrafol is a #1 dermatologist recommended supplement for hair growth and answers questions about shedding, scalp care, and whether head spas are worth the hype. Get ready because it's a fun, informative, hair-raising episode you don’t want to miss!This Quickie is sponsored by NUTRAFOL! Got thinning hair? Get $10 off your first month’s subscription AND free shipping with code LGPOD at Nutrafol.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

It's time for a quickie podcast. One presents the Lady Gang, the Hollywood girl posse with Lady Gang Quickie. Here's Kelty Knight, Becca Tobin and Jack Vanek. Let's make this quick. Hello, hello, hello. Welcome to Lady Gang Quickie. I'm back here with Jack and Kelty and a special guest. We're so excited. It's my Bob. Just kidding. You mean my Bob? Yes, it's Becca's Bob. No, we're so excited about today because basically, you know, this is all we have to talk about. It's either like the most serious things in the world or it's our hair and life is an absolute dumpster fire right now. But you know what would make it better? Having nice hair. We all dream of having thick, gorgeous, flowing hair that makes us feel

like we're walking out of shampoo commercial, right? Well, today we're diving into the world of hair and hair growth, because this is a topic we see over and over again. We are debunking some myths, busting misconceptions, and getting the real scoop on how to achieve your hair goals and hair health. And joining us today is Dr. Brianna DiIorio, a PhD in integrative medicine, certified functional diagnostic nutrition practitioner, and director of product education at Nutrafol. So she knows her shoes and she's here to help us with our issues our personal issues and our hair issues because they kind of go together oh yeah they're absolutely connected thank you for having me guys i'm excited so they say that when a woman's going through something she will cut her hair i keep

chopping inches and not sleeping what does that mean well i mean everything in your life holds energy, including your hair. So I think it's very, anything that's symbolic and ritualistic in nature and this idea of letting things go, cutting off the metaphorical dead ends of your life. I think it's just really freeing. I think it helps you shift your identity. And if that's going to make you maybe think differently or engage in different behaviors. So I love a good haircut to kind of just emotionally metaphorically reset. It's better than messing with your eyebrows, which is what I did in the nineties. You know what I mean? Yeah. I do joke with my hairstylist that they should have something called like a trauma bang session where you're like, you came

in here, you want bangs. Let's talk about it first, a little therapy for hours and make sure that we're not making an emotional decision right now. And then if you still want it, you know, you can come back tomorrow. Yeah. Okay. We're going to debunk some myths, but first I kind of wanted to go around the table and talk about like kind of describe our hair and the issues that we have in it because we've each had our own journey world with it all who wants to start jack maybe yeah i'll start um i mean my hair in general is fine it's thin and it like has no like there's there's nothing going on it like there isn't it just like when i air dry it it's like kind of straight but then a little bit frizzy and it has no like real wave pattern but it also isn't like

nice and silky straight um I had one like trauma session where I cut my hair into a bob and it was the worst decision of my life because it ended up being like a john and kate plus eight uh can I speak to the manager haircut and then I grew it out and then now I'm terrified of ever cutting my hair so it's very long but very thin and that's that's what I'm working with yeah um I was traumatized when we were doing a, uh, our lady gang TV show on E a couple years ago. And I was complaining that the front of my hair was breaking and I hadn't been doing anything different to it. It was like the same color for a million years, blah, blah, blah. And Clayton Hawkins, who's now like a massive celebrity, um, hairstylist, he just goes, babe, that's age. And I was like,

what do you mean? I was like, I wanted to blame my colorist for my breakage in the front. And he's like no it's it's gonna only get worse and he was right and every time i style my hair i treat the front of my hair as if it's hanging on by a thread because it is it literally is and these hairs in the front are so short and i have to like blend them into my bob and it's not easy oh i have another thing that's happening with my hair i am starting on the side here is getting real thin where i have to like fill it in the temples i'm like what's going on here but i think it's the age of finally catching up is so is this a thing like are we well no I know ages but like are we making this up or is this real no you're definitely not making it up the thing about hair health and

I think anything with our health is that everything is interconnected right like anything can affect everything in the body is what I always say and whatever issue is coming up for you whether that's your hair is thinning more, you're seeing more shedding, that's usually the last domino to fall in sort of our, you know, health circuit board going on. And so by the time we're actually realizing that of visually seeing this, there's been a lot of stuff that's been going on internally or kind of underneath the iceberg or, you know, that foundational stuff. And I kind of think of it as like your body, especially when it's going through things, whether that's, you know, perimenopause, maybe you've been in a really stressful time in your life. Maybe you're

recently had a baby, anything like that. It's kind of like a company going through a major reorganization. And so roles are shifting, right? Things like our hormones systems are upgrading. So we have to be looking at our gut health differently, our stress response, how we used to deal with that. And then communication also has to stay sharp. So how our cells are actually signaling to other things in our body. So if you want the quote hair department to keep performing, then you really need to support the whole operation. You got to stabilize leadership. So you got to, yes, work on things like hormone balance and stress resilience,

but you also have to keep some of those operational pieces running smoothly. So the things that can be supporting like your gut health, like the nutrients that we're taking in. And then of course, managing stress across the board. Stress has gotten really bad PR over the years. It's not all bad. We do need it. But basically the earlier that you can put the right systems in place,

the more resilient that you can be. And then the hair department and the whole body department will be healthier as you age. I have a question for you about these new hair spas or scalp spas popping up all over the nation. And they allegedly, you know, there's pores on our head. If they're clogged, your hair won't grow. So you need to go get your scalp thoroughly washed. Is this real? Yes.

So scalp massages, I know they're having a real glow up on TikTok and Instagram. and there is actually some benefits to it. First of all, anything that is going to put your body into chill mode, right? Like we can't be stressing about stress all the time. We gotta try to find ways to relax in our kind of ever going worlds that we live in. So reducing or modulating stress, absolutely.

Just being in that kind of parasympathetic mode when you can't do anything else, absolutely great for again, those things that can contribute to hair health long-term. Also very great for the scalp health, right? So kind of what is the environment for how our hair is growing? So it can, yes, they can deep cleanse the scalp. You're removing, let's say things like product buildup.

If you have dead skin that can actually clog the follicles. I know that sounds gross, but we do it with our face. We don't always think about that for our scalp. And then there is that circulation that's happening with the massage part. So you're getting some of that increased blood flow to the follicles, which is really important. And then again, just kind of creating that nice, healthy scalp environment and supporting the scalp microbiome. So I think if you could put a scalp massage on there, go to one of those head treatments,

just do it for yourself, a little vitamin R, rest and relaxation, absolutely do it. Cool. God damn it. Another thing I need to add to my list. I was like, I can barely control these blackheads. I know, these protocols are getting so long. It's so long. It's so insane.

No. And then I wanted to ask you, so I, you know, I grew up and I just remember like being in elementary school and there was like the girls with the good hair and then there was like me like the girl with the good hair on picture day had like curls and her bang I mean it was 80s 90s like the bang and like clips and it was beautiful and then there was me that was like three strands kind of like a cowlick and just you know how much of what our hair looks like and how it presents to the world is just genetic? Like my mom had shit hair, so I have bad hair or, and how much can that be changed? It's a great question because I think that the genetic component and the

curiosity around genetics spans across multiple disciplines in health. So genetics is yes, always going to be a part of the conversation. It's one small part of the health puzzle is what I always tell people. Dr. Mark Hyman talks a lot about the idea of genetics, load the gun, lifestyle pulls the trigger, right? So it's the idea of yes, genetics, if you know that you have a genetic predisposition to something, it's kind of like seeing, you know, the answers before the test, you have some insight, but you still have to do some kind of studying. So if you know that you can be a little bit more proactive and take a proactive approach. So you can look at things like, okay, what's going on with my stress, my hormones, my nutrition, my lifestyle, my aging,

all those other things that can add up to impact what is going on with your hair. But yes, genetics is going to be a part of it, but it doesn't have to be your whole story. Oh, that's interesting. Okay. So Nutrafol, you work with, how do they support hair health? Because I will say, and we've talked about this a ton on the podcast over the years, I felt like I was like given the garbage bag of hair. And then I started taking it. I mean, it's been years now. I do feel like whatever magic is in there. And I don't know that it transformed me into having a good head of hair as opposed to like the girl on picture day with like three strands. So I don't know how that worked, but how did that work? I think Nutrafol was really great as far as being pioneers in what

we call the hair biology space. So kind of, again, looking at how all of these interconnected systems can impact what's going on with the hair growth cycle. The way that Nutrafol approaches it is we're always talking about the six root causes that can impact, again, that idea of what's going on beneath the surface. So things that you might not even be aware of, or even if you were really good at dealing with that at an earlier stage of your life, as you change, your health and hair needs change as well. So I kind of call it, it's like, I say that we're kind of like the friend who is your friend. You can call for everything. They have the best restaurants. They have the best workout class. They have good breakup advice. Like they make you giggle. They make you feel

right. Yeah. And so it's just like, you don't even know that you need that sometimes. So you might be saying to yourself, no, I'm actually not a stressful person at all. I'm super chill. I go to Pilates. I drink my juice, but you might not understand that there's different forms of that. and it's subjective. And we kind of have you covered in the sense of, yeah, okay, so maybe you have that bucket or that lever covered for you. But there are other things that can absolutely impact things like the hair follicle, because again, like stress, nutrition, lifestyle, aging, metabolism, all the things that we talk about. But it's the idea of you don't know what you don't know. And I think if you're not taking that whole body approach and looking at that from

the multiple factors, it might be more difficult to understand like I'm doing everything right, and I'm still not getting the results that I want. And our hair, as much as we love it, it is our hair follicles, believe it or not, are actually an organ. There are many organs. So just like we have, you know, our heart and our liver and our kidneys,

those are all essential organs. The hair follicle is not essential. You can live without hair. You will not be happy. You're not gonna maybe feel so great, but you can absolutely survive. So because it's a non-essential function in your body, it will deprioritize things that aren't as important

to keep you alive, to handle your stress, to work on your hormones. So Nutrafol, again, is kind of being that friend, if you will, where it says like, listen, we got you covered, even though you may not know that you need that support. Does the hair follicle die? Like when you lose hair or like male pattern baldness or, you know, like as my grandmother got older, I remember she was always like insecure about little bald spots. Are those dead forever? Or what, how does that work? So you're kind of born with a set of hair follicles. On average, the scalp has about 100,000 hair follicles. And so that number can vary based on, yeah, your genetics and things like that. But you're born with all the

hair follicles that you will ever have. They don't regenerate. They're not increasing over time. And so we can lose, again, like anywhere from 50 to 150 hairs per day as a part of that natural cycle. But if our follicle is healthy, that mini organ is healthy, then they will be able to replace themselves during that regrowth phase. God, it's so crazy thinking that you lose 50 to 150 pieces of hair a day. And that's why when people kind of do that thing of not shampooing for a while and they're like, I don't understand, why do I have a hair monster on my wall? And I'm like, when is the last time you brushed your hair? When is the last time you washed it? Because that is kind of a backlog of the hair that would naturally shed. Well, this is the thing. And we

see this in the Facebook group all the time. I swear, I just saw it this week. A girl was like, guys I'm freaking out I just showered is this normal so if you do dry shampoo or whatever if you get your blowout and you dry shampoo for a week and then you finally go to like actually wash your hair you're gonna get a like some hair that's normal yeah yes which is also why I know that that was for I feel like for a while that was kind of a trend it was a low-key competition of how many days can I go without washing my hair I know and then put my hair in a low slicked back bun and look like a founding father. And that's great, but not always great for the hair follicle. So that is where, again, if that follicle is getting clogged, that can be really bad for

the scalp environment, right? That scalp microbiome specifically. And again, if the follicle is getting clogged, just like if you had a clogged pore on your face, there's going to be a backlog of things like bacteria, right? It could be product buildup. So we want to make sure that we are creating a nice, healthy scalp environment, which is why things like the head spa, if you don't want to shift, you're not going to brush your hair yourself or do that. Get in there and do a nice deep cleanse. That's so interesting. Cause there was like, it was people, people on TikTok would be like, I've been waiting two weeks to brush or to wash my hair. I'm so healthy. So like how often should you actually be washing it for like hair health? That's a great question.

And I do think it depends on your hair type. There are some people, and there's actually some theories that you can train, quote, train your hair to go longer. I'm not sure of the scientific validity of that. Again, I think it's individual. So for me, I have finer hair. If I don't wash my hair by day two or three, it does start to look really greasy. And I just don't like the way it looks and feels. I would say that washing it, you know, every one to, you know, one to three days is good. Some people do need to wash their hair every day. Some people don't need to wash their hair every day. I think you also have to understand what products are you using and how much product are you using in your hair. So if you're somebody who's in glam every day for

an hour and a half, and you know, you're using a lot of products and things like that, or you've been wearing hats for a while or like during ski season, right, like in your scalp is maybe more irritated, then you can sort of change your routine up a little bit. But you have to understand kind of your own individual hair needs and what the integrity of your hair is like. the lady gang okay so tell me this so you know the girls will be you know talking to each other and you're complaining about your hair and the friend at the table is like oh girl just go to the drugstore get the biotin just take as much biotin as you can the biotin the biotin like what is it about biotin and does it really work and then i know that that's in neutrophil

but then there's a whole bunch of other stuff so can you explain like the difference between going and getting that like $9 biotin from the drugstore and getting on like a system of Nutrafol and why they're different, you know? I love this question because there's been a lot of chatter around biotin recently, especially in the hair health space.

I would like to talk to the person who was the PR campaign for biotin because original research in biotin, believe it or not, was actually around blood glucose management. There's a lot of really good research on that. So in the context of hair, it does help convert nutrients into usable energy, essentially for keratin-producing cells in the follicle, right? So it's really important for keratin production. The thing with biotin and a lot of our B vitamins,

believe it or not, is that they are water-soluble, which number one, except for B12. Well, B12 is water-soluble. I digress. They're water-soluble, which means that we can pee them out and it's really hard to get very high levels and it's more difficult to be deficient in these kinds of B vitamins. You can generally get them from the diet yourself. Biotin specifically, it's very rare that you see somebody being deficient in biotin. So I know, I know. And the thing is with health, we think because some is good, more must be better. And that's not always true, right? So with biotin, people who are taking things like, you know, 7,000 micrograms, 10,000, you know, micrograms or more, what the research is showing is that more is not necessarily better. It's not

really moving the needle that much more. It's not necessarily harming things so much more. There was a case study that came out where somebody was taking, I think it was 300,000 micrograms of biotin. And that's when biotin started getting a lot of backlash because it can have negative implications if you're getting certain lab testing done specifically on some of your thyroid levels. so we do recommend if that is something for you you can wait about 72 hours but the long and short of it is that biotin yes is important for keratin production and you know for hair health um likely you can get it from the diet it's very rare that you would be deficient in it more does not mean better and we do have biotin in our women's formula but we have a formula that does not

have biotin in it if you're somebody who's like yeah maybe i am mono targeting and taking it on my own, or I've already gotten enough from the diet. So we do have different options for people. The biotin amount in ours is anywhere between 2,500 to 3,000 micrograms. So still on the lower side. What foods have biotin in them? What types of foods? Any of your kind of grains, any sort of things that also are protein. So like chicken, but you can get things like in chickpeas, lentils, buckwheat. Those are all great ways to get your biotin in. Cool. Can I ask a question about pregnancy and hair. Um, a lot of my girlfriends who are postpartum are neutrophil fanatics because they are, they are like after I stopped breastfeeding. Well, so they get beautiful

hair while pregnant, crazy luscious hair. And I want to ask you why that is. Then they breastfeed and they keep their hair for the most part. And then as soon as that ends, it's like half of the hair on their head. And it's actually noticeable enough to friends. Like normally you're like, your hair looks the same. I can't notice. I do notice with my friends who are postpartum, they all use Nutrafol and it's been interesting to see, but why does that happen with women in pregnancy? Great question. So we have, as we know, hormones that play a role in yes, pregnancy, but also things like our hair growth cycle. So estrogen is one of these levels, estrogen and progesterone specifically in context to the pregnancy postpartum conversation. When we are

pregnant, we are having higher levels of estrogen. This is what is actually keeping our hair in the antigen growth phase then longer than it needs to be. So this is why you're noticing thicker hair, fuller hair during pregnancy. Also when people are kind of, they're excited, like I'm on these prenatals, I'm going to keep doing it afterwards. Right. It's actually about the estrogen levels. that's what can be really important for your hair. After childbirth, we know that our estrogen levels are going to decline. And so all that hair that was kind of quote on hold in that growth phase shifts into that shedding phase, that telogen all at once. And this is when we can sort of notice more of that increased hair shedding that came kind of out of nowhere,

usually in that one to three month postpartum. It's actually something called telogen effluvium. So it's this temporary shedding that can happen because of sudden hormonal shifts. So as estrogen levels drop, a large number of hairs that were in that resting phase, all of a sudden kind of fall out at once. Generally, it can resolve at around six to 12 months, depending on what was going on with your hormones prior to pregnancy, depending on what's going on with your health. Like there's a lot of factors that go into it. But also when we are a new mom, there's a lot of new confounding factors that can impact

and exasperate the thinning and shedding. You are physically and emotionally stressed from labor and new parenthood. You are sleep deprived. Your nutrition might not be on point as it used to be. You're having fluctuations in some of these hormones. Yes, estrogen and progesterone, but also things like thyroid hormones. And then you're also, many women can become iron deficient after giving birth as well, especially if there was any kind of blood loss during delivery.

So it is temporary. Again, there are women who kind of bounce back normally in a three to six-month kind of range. But if you're noticing it longer than that, then it might be something to look into and think about, okay, this is maybe a good time to add in a nutraceutical while I'm looking at some of these other lifestyle interventions and dietary interventions as well. That makes so much sense. It makes so much sense. But, like, still annoying. okay we're gonna take a break right now because we want to tell you uh if you're interested in neutrophil and you're interested in what we're talking about neutrophil has you absolutely cover

the cover the routine is easy no prescription is needed um you can get on an automated system and what's great is that everyone as we've been discussing everyone's root causes of hair thinning are different so a one-size-fits-all approach to hair aka throwing biotin at it in a huge amount, doesn't cut it. Nutrafol has multiple formulas designed to give your body what it needs to grow and support your hair's unique needs. Whether you're navigating that postpartum, menopause, plant-based lifestyle, or simply looking to see less hair shedding,

Nutrafol has you covered. This summer, stop worrying about your hair and start making memories. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our Lady Gang listeners $10 off your first month subscription and free shipping when you go to Nutrafol.com and enter our promo code LGPOD. find out why Nutrafol is a best-selling hair growth supplement brand at Nutrafol.com spend it spelled n-u-t-r-a-f-o-l.com promo code lgpod that's Nutrafol.com lgpod okay I want to do something quick here where we bust some myths some hair myths so my first one is perfect for

me right now in my gray hair era um if you pluck a gray hair from your head will four more grow that is a myth i'm not sure how far you want me to go with the answers but that that is a myth thank god each hair grows from its own follicle and plucking one doesn't send out a distress signal to the others if i pluck the gray could it grow back in brown well it depends hair turns gray because of our pigment producing cells in our follicles these melanocytes right they gradually stop making melanin so the pigment that's giving your hair color that can happen due to a lot of things like yes, aging and genetics and stress and all of that. Um, if the melanin production has stopped and your hair is, that's what's going on, then yes, your hair will grow in gray or white,

but each follicle can produce one to four hairs from a single follicular unit. So, um, in that, let's say there's four, you know, hair follicles or there's four strands in that unit. Maybe you plucked out one of them. The other three might still be going strong. So you never know. oh so we should be plucking never know okay people say that if you want your hair to grow you have to trim your dead ends i think this is more of a hairdresser question but is if it's dead how's it helping anything the hair is growing from the root obviously you nailed it i was gonna just say i feel like a hairdresser is always gonna push a haircut and a trim. Hair grows from the scalp, not from the ends, absolutely. But what the talk track is,

is that when we're trimming our dead ends, it's preventing those split ends from traveling up the hair shaft and breaking off, which can make it seem like your hair isn't growing. So it's kind of like this idea of like pruning your plants, right? So you're encouraging kind of, you know, that healthier environment by getting rid of the damaged parts. And then I think optically as well, like a fresh haircut, it's going to look different, especially again, knowing your hair type. If you have thin, fine hair, like I do, if my hair, I can make it super long, but it looks very straggly. I kind of start to look like the Mr. Mr. Lady from the Adam Sandler movie, you know, where my hair is like all over the place. So you have to know yourself, but yes, the breakage can make

your hair look like it's not growing, even though it is. Okay. Old wives tale, which I hate the saying old wives tale, but, uh, onion juice on our head is supposed to be good for hair health because you not only smell like a stir fry all day, but I guess there's sulfur in it. I've never heard of that before. I don't want to do that. So surprisingly, it's not total nonsense because of the, and again, the proposed scientific rationale is that onions are rich in sulfur, which yes, is involved in keratin production. There was one very small study, I believe it was in 2002 that showed that onion juice helped with patchy or alopecia, um, but it had to be applied consistently. There's also, I think the idea that

there's some antioxidants in there, so it can reduce oxidative stress, which is a factor in hair thinning, but I would, and there's some quercetin as well. So there are compounds in there, but, um, I, I don't know the, how long you would have to be doing that for and how much it's actually moving the needle. So if you don't have anywhere to go, if you're not hanging out with your girls, you're not going on a date and you want to like have a self-care night, absolutely try it out, but I don't know how much I don't know if that'll ever go away. Okay. If a bird poops on your head, it's supposed to be good for hair growth. What? This one I've never heard of before. I don't know any science for this. In Italy though, it is considered good luck if a

bird poops on you because the belief is rooted that when something this rare or unexpected happened, it's a sign of good fortune. So it puts you in a good head space, but I don't think it's going to do anything to help make your hair grow unfortunately okay fact or fiction the hanging your hair upside down and then brushing like remember um the brady bunch like marsha marsha marsha like 100 brushes a day upside down helps your hair grow thoughts i'm gonna say fiction i understand again the scientific rationale there would be it's helping to increase circulation and blood flow. So the dose makes the poison. Like how often are we doing it? How consistently are we doing it? I think it's what I would call the icing on the hair health cake, right? Like if

you're doing all the other good things and addressing the internal imbalances and getting to the root causes, and then you want to do that, it could give you some extra credit points, but I don't think it's going to, you know, make your hair grow overnight. Okay. Speaking of extra credit points, this is the last question for you because it has nothing to do with hair health on the head but we at the lady gang we are detectiving uh shaving our face so we love to shave our face it's beautiful for skincare it's beautiful for makeup application but the the verdict is out on like if it grows back faster or thicker after you shave but it you know in what you've said i don't think that's possible you are correct it so shaving doesn't actually change the thickness

or the rate of the growth, it just feels coarser because it's growing in with a blunt edge, basically. So this is creating that sort of blunt edge on the hair shaft. So when it's growing back, it just feels thicker, but that's not going to affect actually the thickness or the rate at which your hair is growing. But you know what is? Our friends at Nutrafol. This summer, stop worrying about your hair and start making memories for a limited time. Nutrafol is offering our listeners There's $10 off your first subscription and free shipping when you go to Nutrafol.com and enter promo code LGPOD. Find out why Nutrafol is a best-selling hair growth supplement at Nutrafol.com, spelled

N-U-T-R-A-F-O-L.com, promo code LGPOD. That's Nutrafol.com, promo code LGPOD. Dr. Diorio, one thing before you go. I want you to just give the ladies, when they order their Nutrafol, give them the hot topic of you got to take it for like six months, a year, which seems crazy. But like, why is that? Because once it starts working, it starts working so well. But can you explain that really quickly? Absolutely. Hair growth takes time. And like anything with health, right? It depends how far down the road you are. If you're five miles down the road, it's going to take you longer to

get home than if you're two miles down the road. If your hair has been thinning or shedding for a very long time, if you have been neglecting those basic boring foundational things like stress and sleeping and eating and all of that, it might take you a little bit longer. But the hair growth cycle at the end of the day is about two to seven years for a full head of hair. So it's going to just take some time for the cycle to start cycling. So we usually tell people at least three to six months is when we can start to see some of those visible results, which is really great. You have to be consistent and you have to give time time. So patience with anything when it comes to our health is going to be really important here, being consistent and understanding that while you're not

maybe seeing the visible growth right away, there are things that are working internally to kind of address some of those root causes and imbalances. So you can also notice some of those other smaller wins. Maybe your hair is shedding less. Maybe you don't have that hair monster on the shower wall, right? Like maybe you're seeing some of those baby hairs growing out. So you can look for some of those things as well while the hair is growing stronger and thicker and longer. I lied. Can we have one more question? I just sort of want to know what in Nutrafol for like an absolute idiot layman's terms, like what's in that that is, what's it doing? What's each thing doing? Like why is it Nutrafol that's working and all the others are not? Absolutely. So we do have a

patented Synergine Complex in our formulas. They're a little bit different depending on what formula you take, but it is a combination of some of these all-star ingredients that are addressing, again, those root causes. So you'll see things in there like ashwagandha, you'll see tocotrienols, you'll see saw palmetto, you'll see marine collagen peptides. In our vegan formula, we have something called Moldavian dragonhead. So things that are going to, again, address stress, aging, hormones, nutrition, lifestyle, age, and all of those things that can impact what's going on with the hair follicle over time and the hair growth cycle. So you're getting the patented and then we have something as well called our bio blend. And again, that kind of varies depending

on the formulation, but you're getting some of those supporting nutrients. So you're getting some of your ABC vitamins, right? So like vitamins A and C and some of your minerals, zinc, selenium, things like that. And then even in things like our women's vegan, you're getting chlorella and you're getting bamboo and you're getting pea sprouts. So all those things that kind of are just helping the integrity of the hair and the hair growth cycle. Great. The magic. All right. well dr diorio thank you so much for being here this is honestly funner than i even thought it would be like i'm like oh wow this is we learned a lot today lady gang getting so fun it can be fun um we weren't here for a long time we were here for a good time lady gang is executive

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