Language of Love with Dr. Laura Berman - Building the Faith Muscle with Bobbi Vogel

Episode Date: April 26, 2023

This week on Language of Love Conversation, I am joined by my friend and Clairvoyant Healer, Bobbi Vogel and our conversation goes deep! I am very excited to share her wisdom on the Language of Love. Listen in as Bobbi tells of the near death experience that was the catalyst of her awakening. She shares the secrets she’s discovered for building Faith as a path to healing the body and mind. And we even take some of your questions live, on the topic of faith, connecting with our deepest selves and unlocking our fullest potential.    Learn more about Bobbi on her Instagram page or website, Etheric Medicine. Visit my website and check out my books on love, sex and relationships. Be sure to tune in regularly to The Language of Love for great discussions and thought-provoking conversations with accomplished individuals and experts offering invaluable advice on how to love and be loved better. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey, I'm sex, love, and relationship therapist, Dr. Laura Berman. And for the past 30 years, I've been helping people just like you learn to love and be loved better. Here on the Language of Love Conversations, I'm talking to some of the world's most influential and revolutionary experts, thought leaders, spiritual teachers, and celebrities about love, sex, and relationships from a mind, body, and spirit perspective. and that way my goal is to awaken your mind body and soul it's time to become fluent in the language of love bobby vogel she's the founder of the center for etheric medicine she is a spirit taught

clairvoyant healer medical intuitive voice for the soul mind and body and i had the pleasure of meeting Bobby several months ago when we were both newbies. We were both brought in as new members to the Association of Transformational Leaders. And I immediately just magneted toward her like she just lit up. We've become really good friends. I've shared with you online on social media, and I'll share with you more in this episode, the things she brought to light in me and in my unconscious memory even that have helped me heal and continue to heal. And my goal is to pick her brain, not only on what etheric medicine is, healing the light body, connecting with the other side, but one of the things she's brilliant at, which

every single one of us needs so much of right now, is faith. And I think her story of faith and how she came to faith and how she builds faith will really inspire you in your own faith journey. So I hope you enjoy this conversation with Bobbi Bogle. Many of you follow me. Many of you follow Bobby. You saw as she was helping me with what you ultimately named and became Cutie Pie, my belly wound after my surgery that opened up. And I shared this story on social media. Bobby and I had just met at an organizational event, right, for the Association of Transformational Leaders. And we had both been invited to join and we met

each other at like the newbie orientation. And I immediately was what happens to me, I meet someone and they light up, you know, not everyone does at all. But when someone kind of lights up, I'm like, okay, I'm supposed to be friends with you, whether you know it or like it or not, you're going to be. And I just kind of, I think I maybe even said that too. I don't know if I said all the precursor, but I was like, we're going to be friends. Just so you know, oh I've been your friend and so she ended up coming over to visit for the first time not long after my surgery I didn't even know you were going to bring your table she brought her table then she starts looking at my wound and I'll never forget you saying to me oh your body thinks

she's in trouble and I realized how horrible I was being and then you started talking about all these layers of trauma and you were so sweet you know because you were trying to be like all careful about it. And I was like, Oh, don't worry, girl. Because you're working. I mean, you're not as a person, you're very irreverent and smart assy, which one of the things I like about you, because I'm the same way. But when you're working on someone, and you're in that moment of like, you know, you're compassionate. Yeah, you were in a very compassionate and gentle place. And you didn't know me and that I knew about all the sexual trauma I've had. And you're like there's some things in here I got some things that may be coming but here is the crazy thing

is that first of all you said you saw three layers of trauma of scar tissue and I had totally forgot I knew about two c-sections I had had but until that point I totally spaced I hadn't even put it on my medical thing when they said past surgeries or whatever I totally forgot that I had a hernia surgery. I was born with a double hernia. So when I was like six or seven, that was my first surgery in that pelvic region. Then I had two C-sections and then I had this deep flap, which opened up. And so you did this whole thing on me where not only you were identifying the trauma and the scar tissue, you basically brought to consciousness. I didn't remember it for a few days. I just remembered one aspect of it. And then it all clicked into place a few days later.

But you brought to consciousness a really early violation, which was really weird. Let's just suffice it to say it involved a white candle, which I saw and she articulated at the same moment. Like, how weird is that? It's not. It's the work. You know, I'm mind blown by it as well. But yeah, That's one of the gifts, you know, in my, my bag, I give it, I came here with, and I might, I know it's phenomenal. And I just keep saying yes to it because those are the things that, you know, as you know, I collaborate with a lot of doctors, I mean, medical, I'll tell a story as well about my own experience in the last pretty much 10 days.

It is phenomenal in the same, the body is holding the physical, yes, but the physical body is a hologram of the etheric body. So we can't heal the physical without healing the etheric first because it's first in your light body, etheric body. People are calling it all kinds of different things. Your energetic body. Energy body, light body. But we are light being. It's your light body, etheric body. So that's the other important thing that I really want to get into too. apparently I don't, they want me to is along with faith, but everything goes, faith is the touch zone. It's everything comes from this place of faith, knowing that we are divinely guided light beings 100% of the time and everything branches off of that. Everything. You can ask any question,

you can wonder anything, you can doubt anything, but unless, you know, you can hear about it, right you can hear oh yeah i believe in faith or i believe but this is the knowing there's a shift into the knowing that you're working yeah we're gonna talk about that there's a shift to the knowing that like oh i a i am a light and i am divinely guided because unless you you accept and you begin to cultivate that knowing that is within it's not without it's not you were talking about social media a lot after the last podcast. It's like, it's not out here. It doesn't matter what's out here. It matters what's here because your soul and your purpose, your humanity is in collaboration with those things. You're not in, yes, in the physical world now we're moving towards

collaborating. That's what we're being asked to do. But like the collaboration of the soul and your humanity, along with all the guidance that you have is so, it's everything. Yeah. Well, let's talk about that because you have many gifts, but one of the things, and you and I've talked about this, we're just going to talk about it in a more public way now. So I want to talk to you in particular about faith because you have a course called the seven pillars of faith, which I just signed up for. I'm really excited to take. And one of the things that has continually struck me. And I see it. I see it in action. I see it in your words. I see it in everything in you that there is unwavering faith. And that to me, quite frankly, is, you know, strange in the best of

ways. It's unusual. And unfortunately, yeah. And it shouldn't be that way. And it's something that I have become increasingly aware of over the past several years, because I think I have probably more faith than many, but not nearly enough faith to really sustain me through my doubt and my self-doubt. And so as we start to live a more spirit-fueled life, like connecting to our inner knowing, our inner guidance system, our spiritual guidance, as we start to want to build that two-way relationship of just even manifesting the life that we desire, it requires more than anything else, it requires faith. And for so many of us, just using myself as an example, and I've talked about this in a million different ways on this show, but I was raised with

very emotionally immature parents, totally incapable of many aspects of loving and being loved with me, at least in a way that would develop healthier self-worth and self-esteem. And, you know, it's all I can see the whole trajectory and it's all gifts. I think I'm the majority, not the minority that was not raised with any understanding or cultivation of faith in anything. My parents were God, like they were God. They determined my safety, my. I know. I mean, or not. Right. They determined my, you know, whether I lived in my little mind, whether I lived or died. Right.

whether I was lovable or not, whether I was safe or not. And so I learned early to let go of my own guidance system and just attune in particular to my father's who was, you know, pretty toxic narcissist. So in order to stay safe, I had to learn very early to give up my own knowing and truth and just defer to his. That very quickly showed me I could stay safe that way. And I did physically and to some extent emotionally. But now for the past two decades, I have really been paying that price. And I know I'm not alone. I know we all struggle with trusting our instincts and our knowing and the guidance we get, especially when the guidance we get is not something that we would necessarily want to do or choose to do or feel comfortable doing or

whatever. And so when you and I started to really dive into things and I was asking you a million questions and I want you to share it here, you shared your story because you didn't always have faith and you shared your story, which was really an awakening story after a very dark night of the soul and near-death experience that you discovered faith. So I want to ask you about that. And I want to also talk about some of the pillars of faith and how the rest of us can build some of that. And then I also want to answer your questions. So we're going to answer questions about how to know your loved ones on the other side, because Bobby is clairvoyant, a psychic, intuitive medicine person. I mean, I never say your titles right, but she's magic. You know, titles or something. So you have to have out here.

So it's like, well, whatever you want to call her. Yeah. Divinely guided. Divinely guided. She is connected. Yeah. So we're going to get into the questions people were posting when we did our Instagram live about how do I know my loved one is OK on the other side?

How do I connect with them? How do I release from the body what wants to be released? We're going to get into those specific questions that you asked, but let's start with faith. So, I mean, long story, the shorter version of how I got connected to my unwavering faith, and I haven't talked a lot about my life before my suicide plan nine years ago, but I had a long history of a lot of abuse as an adopted kid, which is all powerful. But I finally came, I was a very successful real estate agent in the Bay Area for 17 years and I needed a change. I believed, you know, thank God. And so I moved myself from Oakland to Venice Beach and I had

a bunch of deals in escrow. And so I was waiting for like $240,000 in commissions. And I was like, well, hey, there's no better time to go than now because that's, you know, a decent nest egg for me to like get into the LA market. And I worked on sunset Boulevard and the 9,000 building. They had a beautiful office. They gave me because of my track record, like the whole thing. Right. And I rolled into town in my Mercedes Benz and, you know, and my son is going to be 20. My adopted son is going to be 21 tomorrow. And I adopted him at 14 months. And due to the circumstances of his birth, you know, he's had and neglect for the first 14 months. He has a lot of challenges, behavioral and you name it, you know, said with compassion.

And so he was in and out of high care facilities. And so when I moved, I moved him to a facility closer to me. and within days they kicked him out because you know san francisco county you know it was like yeah she took him out of the county bye you know they didn't tell me uh so they were just fighting hope you said it you know all this support because this is so broken and not set up to actually help the kids and that's a whole nother podcast and so i was i couldn't go to work because you had him I had him and he was never in a regular school and I was forced to put him in a school right down the street from here and he couldn't do it he was kicked out and whatever and

so I so you're trying to establish a new career but not a new career but a new career base and you're just trying to launch yourself and now you've got this extremely troubled kid who's been kicked out of the system and is now sitting in your living room unable to go to school yeah and i couldn't i couldn't help them yeah i try you know i just couldn't and that's it's been a long path for me to to be you know because as a mom you're just yeah of course you get it and so i started i eventually had a and it happened pretty quick but i had to leave my car in the frost parking lot down the street my mercedes take the plates off of it the vanity plates to let the bank take it, go back to the, I had rented an apartment till I-

Well, I could, did those escrow things fall? Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry. You forgot that piece? I forgot that piece. So they were all going to close. This investor from San Francisco had gotten in for five escrows, all cash, 14 days, the whole thing, all contingencies were removed. So in real estate language, that means it's a sure- It's happening. It's happening. Well, I get there, I'm there three days in this apartment and she bails on all of

them. Oh my gosh. And she lost, you know, money on each one of them, but it wasn't her money come to find out she had scammed people. So she was a scammer. So there goes the $220,000, you know, commission. And I was like, okay, well, you know, deep breaths. And by the way, this was before faith yeah because you know my dad was killed when i was 20 in a car accident and i was like god or if there is one or a year to go you know what all the stuff and had such a hard time just constantly coming out of the ashes yeah so here i was like yeah like a success and that was simple easy for me and i loved what i was doing and using my gifts unbeknownst to me uh and that's how I was so successful and um what do you mean your psychic gifts you were you think they like

match people with places to it things yeah I could hear I didn't know it but I could hear the house's need to see and feel the vibration of it and so when somebody would walk in an open house for instance anyway sometimes they were there sometimes not but I really but I didn't it was just so you just thought it was like a gut instinct or intuition okay cool whatever and did the same with buyers and and so now it's like understanding you know you can really launch off on pretty much any topic because it all is it all comes back to it was effortless for me to be that successful and and here i am having to leave my car like what's going on you know and then walk back to a sheriff's and for evicting you yeah and my son is like he would be able to be

at school for a couple hours and then they come get him and that he would do that you know it's just so the wheels came completely off everything everything and then I was begging for help you know from then I have no family you know then I do now because I'm married but my parents both on the other side and all this stuff and no you know no support no support system some a couple of my friends you know helped as much as they could but like it just nothing like they called me Midas and oh and because every people be like well they saw my car in front of a house they're like well that's sold literally somebody said that and nothing was working and it was so beautiful that it wasn't because I wouldn't retrospectively at the time it was not so pretty at the time I was

I thought I was a piece of shit yeah and well I truly believe that you know and so I had no food no this no that no help for my son didn't know what to do couldn't and I mean all this stuff with this little homeless basically well yeah I was going to be homeless and I got my so I started I saved my son's meds that he wouldn't take and that I knew because I'm an ex-paramedic would plummet my blood pressure so fast forward to like this Wednesday and I'll never forget it was a Wednesday and I got him to school and I knew I had this much time and so I had a pillow fight with God like I went in my room this God that I was furious with and like you know seriously like what you know whatever real because i was you know a mess and terrified

like what you know and like screaming what did i do am i this big of a piece of shit i'm sorry like i didn't know you know like what have i done that's so bad and it was in every cell of my being that i believe that i had done something yeah you must have and i think that's such an important thing to say because that's such a natural place to go when your life feels totally fucked to excuse me i mean to internalize that as being because of you right like you're that you deserved did or that you yeah yeah you did something wrong and that you know I've been surviving I was listening to you share your story I was like I didn't like you became reliant on your dad I was like I became reliant on me when I was a little kid I didn't really have that although

like my dad I idolized my dad but I can't it's just it's such a long thing and that I'm you know because it doesn't matter it's like he's with me now and so is my mom and everybody else but it was always me I was having to figure it out always and so here I was I wasn't able to figure it out this time I couldn't rise from the ashes this time so I thought and I heard myself say God with just every cell in your body you said it depleted and I said what did I do you know again I just kept asking and I heard for the first time very clearly because I said do I need to come back and hit the recent one that was the main thing I was like because I was planning to leave you were planning on taking those meds yeah taking the meds on Monday Wednesday so it's like look I

given you five days to prove that I'm supposed to be here you know well that was nice of you to give in five days. So it wasn't until the fourth one I was serious about, you know, and I was relieved that I had this plan because I couldn't sustain. Which is so common. That's why, like, if you're if you love someone who's suicidal or who seems really depressed or is really struggling and all of a sudden they're totally at peace and happy, that is a warning sign unless things have drastically changed in their lives. Yeah. You know, and they haven't or they've gotten help or, you know, but if all of a sudden all other things being equal, like that is a warning sign that they have a plank. Yes. And that's so interesting in the physics, because as a medic,

I've witnessed plenty of attempted and then actual, right, suicides. But also knowing as I'm spirit taught and I hang out, you know, I have helped people cross over. Also, it truly is when you finally succumb to the plan for real the peace that you feel it's almost like you're already moving into that space and you're releasing your human your human attachment attachment and experience you're dying before you die but that's what happens for people yeah yeah i've seen i mean i've ushered three or four loved ones through their last breath And they definitely are leaving for days before they actually leave. My mom did the same.

And the other weird thing is that all of them, and this is how I learned to know that someone was getting really close because there's those several days often if someone isn't suddenly dying, if they're dying from an illness or degeneration, that there are several days often. But then there, this was, I'm sidetracking, but it's just so interesting. all of them got up wanted to get up and get their shoes or like they were going somewhere like we got to go and I was like oh shit I learned after the first couple of times I was like oh shit now it's gonna happen like they know they're leaving and they're literally trying to physically leave the room because they have that sensation of like okay I gotta go now well because all I know is from what I'm taught and my own experience, and I don't teach outside of that or speak outside of that, is that, you know, like my mom, same thing. I hadn't talked to her for two years.

It's a whole other story. It's all good now and healed. But I had a conversation with her two weeks. I called her because I had gone to the Sands. And so they said, oh, your mom, has she passed away too? And I said, no. And I'm like, well, so I went home and I called her chicago time so it was like me so she answered so i hung up and i was like shit i just scared her because my mom got super prepared i mean she would probably be you know medicated if she were around now you know bless her heart right but she was really paranoid so i was like shit she probably thinks somebody's trying to get in now or whatever so i called her back and i'm like mom and we had the most beautiful conversation like that she wasn't capable of before

because she was close to dying at that idea but i didn't know is that really you yeah who like broke into my mom's house and you know and speaking on her like it was that beautiful and insightful because i had just adopted my son and there's all kinds and stuff. And I love to just flow with this because as we said, let's talk about whatever spirit drops in to talk about. And I sent her a picture of my son and then, and she went to my brother's to cat sit and she died on the floor. Like, you know, that's such a blessing that you got to talk to her for sure. And she's with me now, but it's just such a, I don't even know how we got off on this. Well, we were talking about, I just thought that was interesting about the

the sense of peace you were saying the sense of peace that you felt once you had that plan and you knew that the pain was going to end that there was an end in sight as well and that there was that you were gonna go yeah and i think you know talking about it with you now because i go i take myself back to that moment uh in those days is that i also i think like i was saying hey if i'm supposed to come back and hit the reset button i'm fine with it but you if i'm not you better let me intervene intervene because i also my soul was also infusing enough truth that no you came here for some big shit yeah and so let me just leave that possibility available like if i'm really here for some big shit then you will step your foot in here yeah like and then because i had i

could feel this sort of like, there was something in my space that I don't think I've ever shared that before or really acknowledged it. There was something in my space that was sort of like, so I was saying these things that I heard, you still have healing. And I said, and I know it wasn't from my human brain. Now I know because I understand how I communicate, but I said out loud, but what is it that I said I would do? What is it that I said I would heal? I'm not trying to renege. I just don't know what it is. Please help me. And you ask about faith. How do you start developing faith? Start asking that question. Yeah. That's it. Like literally you don't have to be suicidal to give a shit about why you came. I think that's so interesting and so important

because you hear people's stories all the time who discovered God, faith, even E. Preluf, that famous book. She, the same thing. She, in that moment, was on the floor of her bath. When people find, typically, when you hear these stories of people, and even yours, of people really finding God,

it was because they were in the darkest, deepest, most horrific night of the soul. and out of desperation they completely let go and said help joe me help me and meant it i meant it yeah and it's not a judgment any no beyond no beyond no and you know how adverse they've been to saying teaching i want to teach but like i do like i'm this is the first time i'm saying she wants to teach this because that's what i said i would and i'm very clear now on that. I said I would, so I will. It doesn't matter if I'm uncomfortable in my humanity, because I'm shy. But that's changing, right? But I am here to do what I said I would do.

And if I said I would, that's what I said I would teach. I'm here to do it. And it's so vital and so important right now in the chaos of the whole world and this frenetic energy and the Instagram and the this and the relevance and this and we're being bombarded and we're basically being bombarded with self-doubt and self-criticism. Oh, the marketing. Look, it is what it is, but the marketing is geared towards making you feel less than and none of it's true because we're already perfect. Like right now, I was perfect when I was in tears, suicidal. I was already perfect. I just didn't know. I didn't believe it. Well, so let's just talk. I think this is such a beautiful story, how it all kind of fleshed out. So you were in this place of peace

and acceptance and we're, but also hesitation, like, okay, you got five days to convince me otherwise, if some intervention or some miracle doesn't happen, I am on my way out. Yeah. I said that and I said, and with boogers, you know, and I'm going to need a really big sign because I am too terrified and exhausted to look for subtleties. Like I'm just like, I had all these like things, you know, for my own checklist and I wanted it. Well, just because I was pissed and I was scared because fear is anger, right? And I had all this, like, are you serious? Like I got this far I found success against all odds by myself and now I'm here like you know so I was mad yeah and it's done tired you know oh and so the deadline is Monday Monday so then I said give

me a big sign so then Thursday came Friday came Saturday came and somebody from Chicago who I hadn't talked to in a really long time hit me up and said, Hey, I heard you're living in Venice. Can I take you to lunch? So like, take me to lunch was the key word because you had no money to eat food. Uh, the Chihuahua aid and, you know, Jack got to eat at school, you know, or whatever. And so she, we're talking. And again, I didn't talk about it. I didn't talk about, which is unusual for me. I'm not, I'm not a surface. Hey, if we're going to know each other, we're going to know each other. You know, I, I don't, I'm not great at surface talk. So I just got through the lunch and I didn't talk about my circumstances. I didn't talk about sheriff's cigarette. I didn't

talk about any of it. And then we were literally getting up to leave. And she's like, Hey, have you heard of Agape? She's not even a spiritual person. Well, she might be now. I mean, cause you know, the whole world's waking up. Uh, well, yes, they are. Absolutely. And she said that rando like standing up and i thought it was a mexican restaurant and agape agape i i just so i had i was like no haven't you know but little did she know like a i didn't have money to ever eat at a restaurant never thought i would but also i was leaving tomorrow at like 48 hours so this is saturday so and i said no and you know what i don't know where that restaurant is she says no it's a non-denominational michael backwith and i'm like i don't know who he is and she's like

you know from the secret I'm like don't know I know I have no idea she was like oh my god okay well he has a you know a spiritual community whatever somewhere around here I was living here in Venice and so I was like whatever and I went home and I got through the next the rest of the day and then Sunday morning I woke up and there was something really triggering thank god about hearing my son cartoon because I just didn't know how to help you know I didn't and I felt like shit about that so I pull the laptop and to this day honestly I don't even remember how I even had internet or any like still but I did I think you know they just left it on but I looked up agape and I saw a service starting and I think of it and you just wanted to get out of the house no I just

all of a sudden, literally in what I went to bed in, I didn't even look in the mirror. I got up, I put the, I shut the laptop, didn't question it, got up, said, Jack, let's go. And we, we went straight there, but we were a little, a couple minutes late. So the doors were closed. So they, I was waiting outside, blah, blah, blah. And they were doing a meditation. I come to find out when they opened the doors i was like oh shit this guy's a big deal whoever this michael is standing room only yeah standing room only except there were two seats off to the right like one row from the the back and so i was like ghosted and jack he was not thrilled about being there but we sat down and to this day i always like i wish i knew the date of that because i would listen to

service again because I don't know was Michael really saying what I heard or was it I know I understand now because you channel spirit and God you mean you might have been just channeling your own message and Michael didn't even say it right well God definitely was speaking to me it didn't matter through who but well he was saying well so I knew it was my parents and also God and and also my guides because it was my guides that said you still have healing to do and I could when I was on that day of threatening God it was my guides said it because they're off to my left and God was there and so I knew the difference already energetically vibrationally about who was talking because I just did yeah I was like oh okay and this is and while you were in that

really dark place that was the first time you'd ever really been had conscious communication conscious well when I heard that and I heard my voice say what I said back in my apartment that was number one I was like yeah yeah was that the sign or is there more coming you know yeah and so within 30 seconds I shit you not I started hearing my thoughts my plan when I was leaving what I was questioning if I was a piece of shit or not all the things this and that and I heard them I heard God and but I knew my parents were there too I could feel it and there I don't know how else to explain it but I could see them and I could feel them and and what were they saying I can't it was just it was like affirming to me that everything was okay you know but it was so

specific. And I don't remember exactly the words because they didn't matter. Words don't matter anyway. It's the vibration and the resonance of everything. What was the message behind the words? That I was supposed that I was here for powerful things and that I was being more than anything that I was heard and seen. That was more for me what saved my life because I felt alone my whole life and now I was in a room full of 2,000 people but also I was with God my guides and a whole bunch of other spirits and they it was like pulling the toilet and I felt more love in that from what I couldn't see that that's where that moment of faith was born is like I'm not alone and they fear me and I matter. Which is the truth, but that is such a powerful story because most of

us don't believe that. Or if we do believe that, we believe it in theory. But when challenged, and that's my problem, like when really challenged or I've been really triggered to a fearful place or I'm feeling filled with doubt, there are all these moments throughout the day where you question. And so many of us go through our whole lives just having no experience like that. I had moments of that after my mother died 10 or 11 years ago, and that was the worst grief I could ever imagine. And so being in those deep places, often in those deepest places of pain that God can kind of reach us. And those were just fleeting moments. But I would say the deepest connection to grace which can be lasting and sustainable and I know viscerally exactly what you're describing

that impossible to put in words filled with like the clarity of the love that you are and that you're is constantly flowing into you and I always say like talk about self-worth it's kind of hard not to recognize how lovable you are when you experience that because you experience the love that is constantly flowing to you just because you are a miracle. Each of us is a miracle. All of us. I am. We are. So I totally know what you're talking about because the normal trajectory then would be like, you know, okay. And then still kind of struggle with the faith, right? Like even if you had that epiphanous moment, but maybe it was because you got so close to the edge and it came through so clearly. But after that, were there some slide backs or

did things faith-wise? I mean, I'm sure there were slide backs in your life, but faith-wise, did it continue to build after that? Yeah. There's some things, right, where you're just, because in the miracle, right? And we call them miracles. That's a name you have to put on it, but it's just what's possible. Everything's possible. Everything's possible. Yeah. Everything. and when I'm asked that question, it's like, how did I get from there to here, right? All I can say is that, A, I walked out of there, and we lived right near the beach, and I hadn't gone to the beach, which was my favorite place, and I don't know how long, because I couldn't hold my head up, frozen in terror, and I, you know, not realizing, well, you know, it's like, I don't

care people are people right but you know after the service i stood up and everyone was leaving and when i finally got out i saw michael walking and i said michael people probably like this woman in pajamas and her hair sticking out plays right out of bed and he stopped and he turned around and he and he turned and there were people everywhere right and I walked up to him and he all the bodyguards came and I was like oh you know and he I looked him right in the eyes and he went like that you know he told him to back off and I just stepped up to him and I said you saved my life and he stepped forward and he gave me a really big hug and then he stood back and he just looked me in the eyes and he turned around and walked away

but I wanted him to know that because I knew that that that's what had happened and then of course we got evicted and my son got in tons of trouble and it's a whole thing and you know I had to advocate for things and I have always carried the shame around it and I'm done being a shame because nobody can understand what it's like to have a child or try to care for somebody who's so you know the need is so great but every day since that day well first of all we went to the beach right after and I had my head up and I felt special and I felt not enough I'm a bit more special than you you just felt oh my god I am loved without the miracle you are I did never felt loved and I didn't realize that till the moment that I felt what it feels like to be

that's what was the difference it's like I wouldn't have known what love felt there was no contrast I didn't have any because I had chosen cotton very toxic relationship like yeah you know so I didn't experience you know that purity yeah most of us haven't right and I felt like some i'm loved i met her and i went every day and even though we got evicted and i you know and all the things like i would walk up and down venice beach every day at the same time with my old chihuahua and a journal and your head up and my head up and i would i would literally just walk god i wasn't in a hurry nothing like that i just knew something's gonna change something's going to change there was a piece in me that I had never felt in my

and it has only grown because I continue yeah we all do found anything and it was a at least air yeah you know and so how many years ago is this I always have to look at my Instagram to look at my post, but it was in like 2014. Okay. So it's been almost 10 years and so much has changed in your life. And eventually this became, as you started, I mean, I'm some quick summary here, you know, I'm simplifying, but as you started to really welcome that relationship into your life, foster it, lean into it, you started getting more and more guidance that you listened to. Fast forward to today, you were guided to create, in fact, given the title, if I remember correctly, of etheric medicine. Oh, yeah. That's a super fast forward. Yeah.

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It's right there on the homepage. I really hope you can join us. And because I still was like, OK, cool. But I just knew somehow. Yeah, because I had taken my first breath. I had hung out with my God, you know, all these things. What was divine to me? What was to be my experience and divine timing with divine purpose? And that's the truth for all of us. Right. So I just kept putting one foot in front of the other. Taking that next inspired step. Ding, ding, ding. Like put a bookmark in that, guys, right? Like as you're on the faith journey, first of all,

we have no freaking idea what's going to happen tomorrow, much less next week. And what we can plan is nothing compared to what the universe or spirit can plan for us, right? So even if we try to plan, right, that my grandmother used to say that, man, plans and God laughs. But also the plans are so much greater. So just taking that same, that one step at a time, like you don't have to know. I always call it following the breadcrumbs of joy. And that is, I'm so glad you brought that up as a reminder, even for me, because that is one of the ways that I can fall back on faith because I'll notice I'm getting ahead of myself. Well, then how is that going to happen? Well, how am I going to, then what, then what? So then when I do that, how is this going

to happen? And if I pull it back and just say, okay, just follow the next breadcrumb, just take the next inspired step. And you don't need to know how it's all going to work or what's going to happen or what it's going to look like. Actually, you can't know. You can't. And it's a surrendering, sorry. It's a true surrendering to your soul's purpose, your soul's journey. It was a beautiful experience. Your soul and God, your guides, all the beings, they are so much pride for us and so much love for our courage and if we could begin to to trust our soul as much as our soul trusts us like our soul trusted our humanity to come take a body which is not easy no and our courage is applauded from yeah and so appreciated because look what the hell we signed up for

Well, right. And so I wanted to talk about this because, you know, we can't fast forward. So that's funny that they stopped. They had me. They didn't want me to fast forward to where you are today. It's like it is vital right now to let to understand that I ended up one of my clients that I would try showed houses and showed houses and showed houses. He's an investor. He never bought anything right so I didn't ever make it in Venice but then he called me one day he's like hey are you still in Venice can I just take you to lunch you know and there were he had no agenda he just wanted we connected and obviously he was divinely guided and I ended up talking about because I used to buy and flip in Oakland and I you know houses and so I was telling him I had just been taken to

long beach and long beach reminds me so much of every beautiful thing about oakland and so i was geeking out because i love houses i love like i love i just love it and still and i was telling about just telling about and he was like how much is and i'm like you can believe it because we were here in venice where these shacks were going for a million two million and i said 50 grand you can he's like for like a house yeah and he's like wow why don't you find this one i'll pay cash you can get the commission on the buying end you run the crew i'll pay for it you run the crew flipping crew the flipping crew and you and so i physically did the work and i brought two of my friends on and then we hired a couple and then we'll split the profits after your commission you

know and i was like because i didn't i was gonna have to move and i didn't know her and so that's how it started and so instead of worrying about how am i going to be a healer i have to be a healer because spirit told me that i have light coming out of my hands and all these which by the way she does guys but watch my instagram post which i could feel when she took her finger away I couldn't feel it. She was doing acupuncture on my belly with her finger and I could feel the electricity pulsing through my, my body when her finger was there. Yeah. I mean, it's like, what the hell? All right. But anyway, so, but the message for people and the important piece, why we wanted to backtrack is because I wasn't, you didn't after that agape thing,

be like, okay, spirit, I'm a healer. Show me the path that today I'm going to get my office and tomorrow I'm gonna it was so I was healing houses I was being in service at the level at which I was meant to be in service and I gave it my all I wasn't like oh I can't wait to stop doing this shitty right because you enjoy it I enjoyed it but I also it was you know what is it wax on Wax Off. Yeah. Karate Kid. Karate Kid. Brought spirit into what you do. Well, I knew it was like if I just relaxed into the Wax On Wax Off that I was the grasshopper. Yeah. And that there's purpose in every single thing. There always has been. And it's the truth for all of us. It doesn't matter if you're cleaning houses, if you're, I like to say selling hot dogs because I'm from

Chicago. You know, if you can make it, it doesn't matter. Be devout and be in service to feel the support while you're doing it. I mean, that's really that to me, the ultimate surrender is, I mean, I've experienced so much of what you described just really in the past two years. You know, I had my adult reawake. I was very awake as a kid, like many of us were. I know you were too. And then life and our parents and our toxic circumstances humiliated out of us or conditioned it out of us or shame it out of us or abandoned it out of us or whatever. And then in my 40s, I kind of had a, or late 30s, I had a reawakening that came from the pain really of losing my mother and then having breast cancer and having to kind of have my life, just a few things,

have my life blow up in my face and so forth. Oprah shut down. Yeah, it was pretty much everything And then when Sammy died, that has opened up the channels. And I know it's not just him dying because I also and that's what my book, the You're Not Crazy, You're Just Descending book is like, we're all waking up right now. It's not just me. But a lot of it came with the horrific agony that broke me apart and open of losing him. And I had the same moment that you had, totally different, but the same that you had at the agape service. Like, I know exactly what you're talking about when you are suddenly aware of what a freaking

miracle it is to be here. Like, I was literally, I heard, didn't come from inside me. Okay, now you have to choose. Are you going to live or not? Like that was the question. And it wasn't a question like because you're going to commit suicide because that wasn't on my radar screen. But but I knew from having had breast cancer after not properly grieving my mother and not properly dealing with that loss. I knew on some level I wasn't even thinking about yet. that this would absolutely kill me like some horrific disease degenerative like my body would and we're going to talk about this guys because that's a big part of what you do my body would express if I didn't actively choose that I wanted to live and take steps to do that that I was going

to die and I literally was first like shocked for a moment at that question because it was such a random thing in that moment of like a week after my you know in the middle of this horrific shock bubble like what do I want to live with yeah and I was like okay and then I said yes and what was so profound to me at that time and I may start crying because it was just so profound is I cry every podcast but it was so beautiful I'm crying like I somehow like saying yes it was like they just were like okay well so this is why you're saying yes in a way it was like all of a sudden I could feel and we all know okay you're it's a gift to be alive you know but like no like I could feel what a miracle it is that any of us exist. And, and I could feel what a get like a priceless,

impossible to describe the gift of what I became aware of, of what it is to be able to have this human experience and be in this body and, and get to be here. And the fact that that sperm and that egg came together and my soul chose to come through them for all the millions of wonderful and horrific reasons I chose them. But that egg and sperm got together and divided and survived for nine months. And I was born like I'm still here. It's freaking insane miracle that I get to be here and such a gift. And then I felt the love like that was the first time I pure like I felt it. I tapped into it. I tuned into it. But that love that you described feeling in that agape service, I felt in that moment of like that love simply because you are the miracle that you

are and the unique one of a kind miracle. Not that I'm more of a miracle than you or you or you, But that I could feel the miracle that I am. And that was profound. So I get it. But for me, and I think this is probably I don't know why it's part of my path, maybe, but I do fall back often to doubt of myself. Right. Or like for me, it's less that God doesn't support me, but more like God is co-creating with me and I'm accidentally or unintentionally like staying stuck or unconscious of something or sabotaging myself in some way I'm not aware of. Right. Like to me, God is not going to punish me ever. But God is letting me kind of the final GPS destination is entered. But I'm choosing the detours kind of or co-creating those detours. And so that's where my faith labors. But I love what you said about surrender, because when you are in that much pain, which is often where we learn surrender, and part of the reason we're doing this podcast is to try to empower people so that they don't have to have a suicide plan, a near-death experience, or the death of a child in order to get here.

But for so many of us, that's what it takes for us to finally be like, okay, fuck it. I can't control anything. so I might as well give up the control right and that I can open up to spirit and in this now moment at least lean into that guidance and trust that I'm being guided and surrender to not needing to fix manage and control things that I can't fix manage and control anyway but it requires so much trust and faith and that to me is what so one of the things that's so fascinating to me about you that you for some reason don't doubt it like you consistently i mean do you ever doubt it i don't doubt because i go through yeah well you're not i mean you go through yeah trouble i mean we're

human right but i wouldn't say it's it's an interruption in my faith it's when my humanity tries to interrupt the master plan. Yeah. Right. That's a good summary. Yeah. Well, you know, it's a good question. And because I am human and we all are, and that's, there is a purpose in that at a time right now when everybody wants to be in their higher self all the time and they're really pained and disgusted because I do, you know, thousands of sessions and I do sessions all week and group sessions and stuff. And that's the number one thing that people of all ages are literally tearing themselves apart over is that they're trying to be, and this is not a tangent, it's just the truth is like, there's so much pain out there

right now because everybody thinks they came here to be a healer or to do something like that because it's so relevant. When I first started doing this, nobody even believed me. People were calling me crazy on my Facebook and Instagram. Oh, really? Emotional wounds cause illness? Yeah. And I was like, yes, it's the truth. And here we are today, right? But it's like my own wounds, like we heal. And I know this from my teach, my spirit teaching, but also from the people that have already crossed over and the people I help cross over, I watch them leave their human pain at the door, you know, but I watch them move into pure joy. And yes, people are probably going to ask, well, what about people with suicide? What about people,

you know, all those things? It's like, you know, yes. Yeah. We all go to the same place. No one is just, we release, literally, it's like we unzip our pain and we leave it because it's our humanity's purpose. The pain is to heal us. If you're sick, if you have an ailment or an illness, I work a lot with, I say density-involved cancer. Everything, you know, there's a purpose in and it's all bringing us to heal. Oh yeah. I can tell you from the illnesses, even from my cancer diagnosis. It's our body's wisdom. It's like our body telling us like you're not feeling this. You have this emotional wound or this pain or this trauma or these things that you may not even remember or you are remembering, but you aren't dealing with that is showing up

in the body. Yeah. People want to overcome it, force it, medicate it, push it, this and that, it instead of just dancing with it, asking what is, thank you so much. What are you trying to interview? What is it? How can I help? What do you want? What do you need? What is this? What are you trying to show me? Where are you trying to lead me? And people do pass away from, from illnesses and cancer, even when they do do that, but it's still, there's still healing available, the possibility of leaving behind some of the wounds you came in here with and came here to heal are still releasing. And that matters because all healing is transcendence. Whether you stay in a body or not, you haven't failed. If you leave your body, if you die, it's not a failure. It's

not because you couldn't figure it out. Like it's some sort of puzzle. And that's a big part of the problem right now. And I am going to, you know, I'm told to speak. All right, go baby. They're telling you to say something. It's just, it's, it's because there's so much pain and people think they're doing something wrong. If they're not healing, they're, they're not healing their physical bodies, wounds, density, and, but everything, but dancing with the body and asking and being kind and learning self-love and coming in like this, what's happening is so many people in the environment right now are automatically thinking, oh, I have cancer so that I can learn how to heal it so I can go heal other people. And they're jumping ahead.

They're being pulled into the possibility of relevance or the possibility of like being something other than just being here with self through the journey. But don't you think not that everybody's going to be a healer, but I do find that all pain has a purpose of not only healing our karmic wounds, our childhood wounds, our life wounds, but the wisdom gained through that pain and that healing is a part of how you're going to be in service to the world. Does that mean that you're going to heal everyone? No, but it could mean that you make puppets. I mean, it could be anything, right? So you're not disagreeing with that. That is a core belief of mine. I wanted you to challenge if you disagree. But I do find because

I counsel people all the time who are going through dark nights of the soul or even going through a divorce or going through a crisis of some sort. And I can see that the ways in which the wisdom and the clarity and the healing they're gaining as part of moving through this pain and releasing the old trauma that it's bringing back up and getting clear i can see that this is going to inform their purpose so significantly moving forward if they're present to it yeah but you have to be present yeah that's the thing is like i see you know we can talk more about but i i can see the third body i commune with the soul you know because that's who's running the show in collaboration with god and the guides and like there's a whole plan and so we don't have to and

our souls right our soul our soul came here with a plan it's the same with the soul of that person yeah and because it's not my agenda yeah i'm showing up like without agenda other than being in service in whatever way i'm supposed to and it's kind of answering one of the questions somebody asks you on the Instagram about, well, how do I heal past life? Because that's such a hashtag. There is an agenda. Your soul in collaboration with your guides has the agenda for your journey. And of course, like the bullet points. Yeah. And of course there's choice and there's this and all the things, you know, we can paint what we want. And, but we did come here with a plan and we came here with a purpose and we can live that or not live that there's no demerits

but we want to and that's what's being kind of asked of us as we all you know are waking up is to start being devout to that plan instead of our own plan and our because our plan is derived from our will yeah our needs and our plan and our forcing and our desperation that is from our humanity that's from a womb that's not from your soul's plan because there is no angst and that's not real but so to see the body and the soul and to know that everything will heal in divine time according to the we can't force or push even our healing we can't i always know and i want to ask you about this too it feels related but even just every single one of us is grieving right now something i mean you couldn't have lived through the pandemic without grieving here to grieve yeah

and many people when we went live leading into recording this there were several people that were asking about their loved ones especially when i said that you were a medium and a channel among your other challenge. And we're only laughing because I never can come up with an adequate title for you. But you did speak to it a minute ago, a little bit when you talked about how we leave these, we leave our pain behind. We leave these bio body suits behind that we've been wearing the essence of who we are, you know, our soul essence, not necessarily our personality and our pains and our egos, but our soul essence never dies. Energy never dies. What do you say to people who have questions about like, is my loved one okay? And I was thinking about this

morning when I was thinking about you coming over today and doing this interview that the only thing when Sammy died, I have no idea why this was so important. I mean, I can guess, But it's so strange that like this was the only thing I needed to be really, really sure of. Like all I kept asking my my good friend, Teal Swan, who was in communication with him upon crossing over. But all I kept saying was like, does he know how loved he was? I just needed to know that he knew how loved he was. And maybe that was because I felt like such a failure that he was. I don't know why that was so important, but it was so important to me.

I think that is one of the core wounds of grief. We all know that grief is love. It's a direct reflection of love. It's the hard part of love. But it also is a doorway. And it also is part of the pain is the guilt of those things you left unsaid or things you could have changed or things you could have done differently or ways you let that person down. And so I think that maybe is what that question for me was like, does he really know, even though, you know, he died, does he know how loved he was? I think we do. I think we carry that love. We are that love. We carry that love with us. But I'm wondering if you can speak to a little bit to just the energy of people who have

crossed over, staying in touch with that energy, your experience with it, because there's so many people with that question. Again, everything comes back to faith. And that is important. And it seems like it's, it's, that's a simplified answer, but it's not because if you don't first understand that you are spirit in body and they are spirit out of body, it's hard to make the connection that it's real, that they are still here. You just can't see that.

And, and then there are also many other places at the same time as we are, right? Because we were everywhere, but supporting other people right now, somewhere else, you know but it's that human mind that what i notice is like because sometimes even the loved one will come through they don't really have the personality the pain the attributes you know anymore but that's what they'll bring forward is the way that they were known to that person so that that person knows that they're being talked to yeah they're being taught sammy has done that yeah yeah through other people like where he wants you yeah he told bobby where i should move and how to breathe when you get there yeah um and he's excited about it you know and because there's no there's nothing

other than just joy and excitement day for us and regardless of their age regardless of however they cross even with dementia right like people with dementia is interesting because for instance they'll they'll show or they'll have they'll they'll for me they'll act or come through like they're having a little bit of a hard time communicating i'll be like ben is like did they you know time but and then oh yes they because it's just they drop us in right and keeping the grief in their space is what's keeping them connected yeah it's a literal like and i watch because the person that's here in body i watch them interrupt knowing or their openness to that a they are not here a lot of people have a hard time yeah with that if i accept that they can

communicate me from the other side that means they're really freaking on the other side yeah yeah and just as our relationship with our guides is unique to us which it is our relationship with God is unique to us. We can, and, and, and being asked to cultivate, ask, what is that? Ask, well, how do we communicate? Cause, and nobody can tell you that, which is also why I, you know, nobody can tell you or anyone else how their guides. Yeah. You just ask, you ask. So that's the answer. It's like, ask without like, okay, show me a butterfly. Well, I do like signs because you can say, show me a sign or I'm going to choose a sign and, you know, random sign. Like when I told this story before, but when my mom died, I wanted to sign and I wanted it to be

something that I wouldn't normally see in Chicago in February or March. But I said a hummingbird. Every time a hummingbird comes, I'm going to know that you're nearby. And I was like, there's no way I'm seeing a hummingbird in Chicago. Like at that point, I was like, let me give you a really good challenge. And I go downstairs and my kids who were little at the time were watching the animal planet or something. And it was a special on hummingbird. And for like five years, I saw a hummingbird every single day, rarely live until I moved out to California. But some sort of hummingbird would come into my inbox or on a piece of art or something every day. But let me ask you this, because this is one thing I have found with Sammy and I do believe to be true, but I'm not the

one that's doing this as a practice effectively like you are. But what I have found, I'll tell you my reason why I think this is true, just because I'm a science geek. So when we leave our bodies, our bodies, our density, we're limited by our five senses. And I only know this from people I know who have had near-death experience, like who have actually died and come back. But when we leave our bodies, we leave behind all the limitations of perception. Because right now in these bodies, all we can perceive is what our five senses can take in. We are literally taking in 40 billion bits of information every millisecond and consciously processing 2000 of them of the 40 billion bits every millisecond. There's so much coming in, but I have noticed that their vibration

is so pure and high because it's not limited by issues of the ego or fears or yeah or low self-worth or all the things that keep our vibration low and our density high they are without density pure light in terms of energy right so when we when i just speaking for myself because this is how i kind of discovered it when i am in those really dark places it's really hard for them to reach me there because it's almost, this is just the only way I can find to describe it. Maybe I'm just ascribing a whole process to something that is just, I'm in a dark place and so I'm not open to it. But my story about it is that my vibration is so much lower when I'm in those states and they're vibrating so high, it's hard for me to hear them or perceive them with my

five senses. But when I release those emotions or I start dancing around or I like do something somatic or I'm in a place of like grace where my vibration, I can feel the energy of my body is lighter and less dense and higher. It's like, then we can almost meet in the middle. That makes sense or am i crazy i mean you're really complicated i have to come up with the scientific explanation oh that's the bridge between them something as i say is like it's it's bridging science and spirit yeah you're using and like i say when what i've because i've hung out with einstein believe it or not and it's like and that's where like i made this video it's like the most brilliant mind is still limited and these scientists and Einstein and you know

everybody else is like they're happy with the happy you know and it's like you dance and you're you're happy with the brilliance of your human mind if you're into science amazing you know but it can get in your way yeah because science still and they're trying now right like i've been the biomedicine conferences i was like i applaud that they're trying to replicate spirit medicine but it's still an impossibility to feel into it what's the i lose words sometimes and this is like because it isn't seeing. That's why I say healing is a medicine you cannot see. Yeah. It's not about you raising as, you know, your own vibration. It's just the openness that you opened your heart. Yeah. You opened your own. In that higher vibration state, I opened my heart and then

they're always there. Yes. It's just that you got it your own way. And so it's fun to see spirits. i mean i'm trying but the other question they keep and i'm like as i'm listening to you and i'm listening to them that keeps coming in okay two things is that what they want me to ask it's so simple it's such a simple question especially right now because of the level you know people are really like really messing with their own minds like i can't i can't i want to hear my guides i want to live and they're like why like what's your intention why yeah and that's how the clarity of our higher selves and spirits you know not in body is that everything's so simple all this stuff is not even real yeah so we're down here like freaking out in a video game

in this video game yeah and believing all this stuff but that is such a beautiful because right now is like well do you know like ask yourself with every cell of your being and do it you know and and be honest yeah honest with yourself it's not a video to put on it's not it's like come in here and be humble enough to ask, why do I want to connect with you? Why do I want to connect with you? What is it? What will I derive? What am I envisioning happen? What is it in this Because what I know in the last year or so is that the guides are literally going to be around, but they're not going to allow that to happen if there is an ego-driven agenda. Meaning that what? It's like they're going to be used.

Okay. It's like your guides are not here to be used. They're here to guide you. Yeah. it's not and it's a private journey ultimately so if you're going to try to come I mean not maybe it is in your path to commoditize it but you know maybe you're a channel or a healer or whatever but for most of us it's a personal relationship that's supposed to fuel us and guide us in our larger purpose and in our larger lives and so I think what I hear you saying is

that if your agenda is like I want to become a channel so start talking to me spirit right like I mean, maybe, but it's just, it's why it's just, it's being clear on the why, like why you want to, it's just a why, why, so that, but why, why ask why so that you get clear on what your agenda, I mean, I'm asking you, why are they saying to ask why because service to what, because what I'm watching is with that question asked with humility, not subservient, you know just a curiosity because we're not subservient to anything even god we are in partnership and you know god oversees everything but what i just watched as you were asking that question is the why when there's true clarity on the why not from the human mind but just sort of

like it's a falling away of because the truth what's the truth whatever the truth is okay yeah you know there's no judgment but get clear on the why and then allow if it is a physical world agenda outside of serving our soul's purpose then start trying to open your heart and your your humanity to that question should what did i come here to do show me are you saying the people that are really gonna have the the closest relationship that they're conscious of at least all of us have a close relationship whether we're conscious of it or not but those of us who will have the the gifts of that insight and be able to receive those downloads and be able to continue to forge that relationship that is based on our integrity with what our purpose is, living our

soul's purpose. So bottom line, getting into integrity with your soul's purpose, building that faith muscle and surrender, which comes with faith. And you guys can take this course with me. I told you in the top of the show that I just signed up for Bobby's The Seven Pillars of Faith course where she's laying out. We didn't even get into the seven pillars, but we will. People can go. They can go do it. Yeah. You can go do the course. So where can people find you? Ethericmedicine.com. Etheric, E-T-H-E-R-I-C. We'll put it in the show notes but ethericmedicine.com you can find out about her group healings her individual work her seven pillars of faith class and other offerings there and we are actually you guys

should go go to drlauraberman.com and get on my newsletter because in the next month or so we are going to announce a joint event we're doing helping you get ready for love whether you're in a current relationship and you want love to show up differently or you're calling love in we're going to help you remove the blocks get clear on what you want and prime the energetic etheric body for love won't that be cool yeah that's gonna be fun thank you so much yeah i just want to just say for the people that are like what does that mean you know it's literally all you have to say is with every is what did i come here to do what did i come here to feel please lead me to that yeah that is it and that is it ask it and

Ye shall receive, if you mean it, anger and integrity, and you surrender, and you keep building faith, and you remember that you're a fricking miracle. I'll forgive you right now. All right. Thank you, Bobbi. Thank you. To be continued. No arms around me, I guess I'm falling in love

Baby, you're my rockstar, smashing all my guitars One day I will charge you for breaking my heart You're just like my sport car, coming fast to go far When I'm sitting by you, we get high Baby, you're my rock star Smashing all my game tops One day I will charge you For breaking my heart