Language of Love with Dr. Laura Berman - What’s Your Relationship Magnetics Pattern? with Robert Ohotto

Episode Date: September 6, 2023

Take a moment to look at the circle of people closest to you. They are there because you energetically attracted them into your world. We’re all living, breathing magnets. Understanding your unique relationship magnetics puts you in the driver's seat when it comes to creating the love life you most desire.  On this episode of Language of Love Conversation, I talk with the amazing Robert Ohotto, one of the foremost voices in psycho-spirituality, about understanding our unique relationship magnetics, where they come from and how to change them in service to creating a healthy and fulfilling love life. Robert shares how to harness the relationship abundance magnet that thrives inside each of us.  In this episode, we’ll discuss: How to cultivate acceptance as a key to changing relationship magnetics patterns that don’t serve us. The keys to breaking the cycle of being codependent (and how codependency affects your relationship magnetics) How to use relationship magnetics to call the love in you most desire How to navigate and shift relationship magnetics to a more positive place in an existing relationship The importance of separating from (unconsciously) identifying as a victim so we don’t carry forward the magnet for trauma Preparing for the ways your life (including your circle) will change when you shift out of negative relationship magnetics Resources and Links Dr. Laura Berman Language of Love Podcast Laura Berman Instagram – Dr Laura Berman Facebook – Dr Laura Berman Youtube.com – Dr Laura Berman  Robert Ohotto Robert Ohotto – Website Robert Ohotto - Facebook Robert Ohotto – Instagram Robert Ohotto - Twitter Robert Ohotto YouTube.com  About Robert Ohotto  Robert Ohotto is recognized as a trailblazing presence within the field of psycho-spirituality, multi-sensory development, and human consciousness. Robert’s popular radio show, “Soul Connexions Radio”, is currently one of the most listened to and downloaded podcasts on iTunes. He has been featured by Fortune Magazine for his work as an Intuitive Strategies with Fortune 500 Companies and numerous times on Oprah Radio. He is highly sought after for his dynamic lectures, intuitive consultations, and unique astrological expertise. His leading-edge work challenges the conventions of mind-body-spirit paradigms by integrating intuitive perception, archetypes, and life cycles.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey, I'm sex, love, and relationship therapist, Dr. Laura Berman. And for the past 30 years, I've been helping people just like you learn to love and be loved better. Here on the Language of Love Conversations, I'm talking to some of the world's most influential and revolutionary experts, thought leaders, spiritual teachers, and celebrities about love, sex, and relationships from a mind, body, and spirit perspective. and that way my goal is to awaken your mind body and soul it's time to become fluent in the language of love robert ohado is the author of the best-selling book transforming fate into destiny

but is also a world-renowned radio host spiritual teacher intuitive consultant and astrologer and he's recognized as a trailblazer within the field of psycho-spirituality and multi-sensory development, human consciousness. I am so excited to talk with Robert, who's been a long-time friend of mine, about how to intuitively read and start to adjust your relationship magnetics. Wondering what that is? We're going to be diving into it. But suffice it to say, your relationship magnetics are really your set point, the template, your operating system, usually unconscious, that really determines who you are attracting into your life, who you are attracted to, and who you may be accidentally or perhaps intentionally repelling.

We're getting into all of it in this episode of The Language of Love. Robert Ohato, thank you so much for joining me on the Language of Love. It is so great to be here. It's been a minute since we've talked and it's just great to connect with you. Thank you for having me on. I think the last time you and I were together, I know we've texted or probably talked since then, but the last time you and I were together, it was my 50th birthday party and you happened to be in town and you came over.

and then I think you brought a bottle of something tequila. I don't know. Somebody had brought a bottle of tequila. I don't know if you remember this, but everyone had left someone else. Everyone had gone to sleep in my house and you and I were sitting down in the living room for hours drinking. We were, I think it was like four or five in the morning before I finally got into an Uber and went back to my Airbnb. Yeah, that was fun. Yeah. That was the last time we to each other. That was a while ago. Yeah, it feels like a lifetime in many ways because much has happened. But I was so excited to get you on, told everybody a little bit about your background. But one of the things that I know and I wanted to dig into with you about, well, first of all,

I definitely want to get into just a little bit of a forecast because I know that the astrology piece is a big part of your work and you're always tuned to what's happening there. I never like to go month by month because people listen to these episodes months later, right? But I do like to say, okay, for the next three to six months, what can we expect? So I definitely want to get into that. The other thing that you and I talked about talking about here is this idea of how to, because we're all about love, right? How to intuitively read your relationship magnetics. And when you gave me that as a potential topic of discussion, I was like, ooh, relationship magnetics. I like that. So let's start there. What is,

or what are relationship magnetics? Relationship magnetics. So, you know, as you know, my background is kind of a hybrid of many things, an intuitive, worked as an intuitive, doing readings for about 15 years full-time. And during that time, you start to see in the psyches of people. And in fact, I was thinking about the last time we did a radio show together. I think it was Oprah radio. That's how far back that was where I was just taking calls and reading people over the air. But, uh, so there is that piece that, you know, as far as relationship magnetics that we're going to talk about. And then of course the other part is astrology, which is something I absolutely love as a tool, something I'm also known for.

And so when it comes to relationship magnetics, I think the first question I would open up for anybody that's like, what is that? You know, because the thing is, is you you're already living them. So it's already present in your life. I just got to point toward it through this question and that's who's in your life and why. And when you take a minute with that question and sit back and consider all the different relationships you may have, and we have all sorts of relationships, business, family, romantic, perhaps, you know, dating, whatever or friendships, the most significant people in your life, or maybe the ones that trigger you the most, or the ones that are just the most, the relationships that are the most animated

and ask, why are they in my life? How did they come into my life? How did that all happen? What I saw in readings was that we have magnetics and a lot of people would relate to this through what's often talked about as the law of attraction, but which is, you know, part of the magnetics that we have, but there's other parts, other laws, if you will, that are in play when it comes to who's in our life and why. So when you think of the law of attraction, a lot of us think of like attracts like as if that's the only side of it, but there's also opposites that attract and like attracting like doesn't necessarily mean that's positive or negative. It's usually both and, you know, so you can, like you and I, we met and that soul level had that attraction toward

each other, just in terms of the magnetics of what brought us together with a sense of, you know, really looking at the soul going deep spiritually, that was something that brought us our, our magnetics had that, right. So it was like, boom. So one of the ways that, cause this is about intuitively reading your own, right. And we all have a shadow side. So we got to throw that in the mix too, because that is also a powerful magnet to that side that you can't see. Yeah. When it comes to repelling how we repel people, we could literally, and we do repel people unconsciously that we'd really want in our lives. The way that I kind of approach magnetics overall is through patterns. So a lot of times you'll hear, you know, our thoughts hold the frequency

of attraction. I think that's only partially true because I think what's more true is it's your patterns that have the attraction. So let's say I'm a codependent and think about what does a codependent draw it toward themselves? Usually narcissists, addicts, rescue missions, someone to parent. So if I were now to pause that and go, okay, I just mentioned what are called archetypes. The codependent is an archetype.

The rescuer is an archetype, meaning it's a pattern of behavior that someone exhibits consistently. And it's something that I would say that you have that archetype. So when it comes to magnetics, I go to the archetypes, I go archetypal. I'm like, okay, well, what archetypes

are a match for each other. And this is where we go to the shadow side where it's unconscious. And that's where you want, when I did intuitive readings, I'm reading the shadow of people. I'm going into the back door. I'm going like, okay, what makes you, you, what makes you tick? What's your destiny about? What are your patterns? You know, cause that's why they were coming to me and we've worked together, you know, to sort that out and kind of understand where do I have choice? Where do I need to do some shadow work to free up choice? And then now I'm just throwing, well, let's also talk about the magnetics of all this. So where do you have magnetics that, you know, people scratch their head. Why do I keep attracting vampires? Yeah. Well, have you ever

looked in the mirror to assess whether you're a blood donor? Yeah. It's like that is a strong magnetic pole. And so what's at the base of magnetics, what gets them active is our esteem system so the blood donor invites the vampire in often unconsciously talking metaphorically guys just so you understand by the vampire he means the emotional vampire who sucks you dry and emotionally and by blood donor you over giver you're the you give every you give your life force away you just give your whatever form that takes it's like i just donate you know i just let it all go but the the payoff for the because one would ask well why would someone do that right And when you look at it logically, it doesn't make any sense.

Like that sounds awful, but obviously many of us have experienced this matching. I'm a recovering blood donor. We're going to have a blood donor party. It's going to be at nine. I mean, it's because you feel value from that. You feel safe from that. You feel needed from that. You imagine you need me.

You won't leave me. It's like a false sense. So you attract it and are attracted to all these broken little birds and energy vampires who then proceed to suck the life out of you. That you nailed it. It's the esteem system, I call it. So even though your conscious mind is like, I can't handle another vampire coming in, there's another side of you that's like, come on in because if you need me, I'm enough.

Yes. If you need me, like you said, you won't abandon me. So that's where we get into, I think, really interesting territory around why we do indeed draw people in despite our best efforts our best therapies our best you know shifts and moves we're like they're back again and it shapeshifts you know it can shapeshift so you think you got the vampire down then the narcissist shows up which is a version of the vampire and it's like it just and the vampire has more of a seductive quality like they'll seduce you with um you're just amazing let me in you know let me into your life let me into your space

So there's always that kind of flattery that which the narcissist doesn't usually offer up when it comes to anyway, our relationships and magnetics. This is a real deep place to go into oneself and go, OK, I've got to look at what in me is generating these magnetics that I just happen to all the time draw toward me. These sorts of negative experiences through other people that either betray you, take from you without reciprocating. abandon you, abandon you, trick you. And once you kind of start to take responsibility for it and really come to where's your power here, where is your power? And there is a place of power where you can magnetically shift yourself. And then, well, it's like, well, what does that take? When I look at archetypes, especially in this sort of shadow zone we're in now, because there's also really positive things like I'm a teacher. So magnetically, I draw students

to me. That is how it should be. If you're a healer, you're going to draw people to you that need healing. And if you're a doctor, well, then you're seeing sick people. I mean, these are matches that really nourish, if done with boundaries, can nourish you and help us with our own holism and become more empowered. But in the shadow zone, that's where we really end up with all these tales of woe. And despite our best efforts, I can't believe I got tricked again. And I thought they were the one or they were this or that. And then it all shakes out, you know, and you realize, no, it's another, it's another narcissist. It's another addict. It's another, you know, fill in, fill in your blanks. Yeah. And therapists call that repetition compulsion,

right? Where you repeatedly, you say, okay, I've done all this work. My dad was an addict and I'm, you know, I'm never going to date an addict. I was with this other addict and almost destroyed of my life. I only want to date someone who's sober, who doesn't drink or do drugs, you know, who's really worked on themselves. And then they're, you know, like they meet someone and they, and this is always that, you know, I feel I've always known them. I have butterflies, you know, and that's like the bodies. And it turns out they're, they're sober. They don't drink. They don't do drugs. This is perfect. And then it turns out they're a gambling addict or a sex at it or stopping at it or some other thing that you didn't see, right? Because it felt so familiar.

And the reason we call it repetition compulsion is because it's almost this unconscious, it's not conscious. It's this unconscious compulsion or shadow compulsion, I guess you might say, to make the wounds of the past right. You know, like for me, it was cheaters because my dad was a cheater and would abandon us and chose the affairs over me and blah, blah, blah. And so despite all my best efforts, was so attracted to cheaters. And it wasn't until I really understood that there was a part of me that was attracted to that and would stay with that because I wanted to prove to myself that I was lovable enough for them to change for, that I was the one that they were going to see the error of their ways and no longer want to cheat or want anyone else because

I'm so fabulous and wonderful and lovable. And so I would keep attracting it and being attracted to it until my husband, but I would keep attracting it and being attracted to cheaters. Almost as an attempt to rewrite your history, right? Like I'm going to rewrite my past and put it into a new story, but you're actually just continuing the same story. Yes. And repeating it and magnetizing it, right? And magnetizing it. And then, you know, there's, you know, one of the archetypes and matching that I've seen, I saw real common in readings and would just floor me is the unrequited lover. So it's sort of similar to what you're talking about. But when I did a reading on

this one man, one time and the unrequited lover, by the way, is someone who is never requited for affection they have for somebody. Right. So it's that pattern of, I always liked them. They're not into me. I always like so-and-so and they're not into me. Or sometimes it is, you know, they do cheat on me. They don't requite my commitment. They don't requite my affection. But when I went deeper into this one person and got into the threads of the psyche, what I saw was that we're working with the mechanics of the subconscious mind and the shadow and the unconscious, and they don't make rational sense. That's the first thing to understand, because what I'm going to say next makes absolutely no sense. But this person had a fear of being very

vulnerable and seen and really loved because they had experienced abandonment issues in the past. And the biggest vulnerability we can ever experience is to have someone really love us and then leave us. If they don't really love us, there's some sense of protection that that wasn't the real risk. I mean, it was just this. So the unrequited lover can, and then it can also go into the area you just spoke of a bit, but it can also be this defense against the real risk of intimacy. So I'm going to always choose someone who's not going to be available for intimacy, whether that's their age, inappropriate, they live across the world, they're emotionally shut down, or I've even seen they're just not the right sexuality. I mean, it's, I've seen this

go across the board, but this pattern, it doesn't make any sense that we would consciously, because we wouldn't consciously go after people and they wouldn't love us back. And now that's the one, And this is the key that you have magnetics and attraction for. So this one person I did a reading on once, that's why they came to me was this issue. And they were attracted to someone who was not even in their sexuality. I mean, it got that bad, but this was a pattern. And then simultaneously he had someone else that was really into him at the same time. And he felt no attraction to that person at all, even though they were physically attractive.

And, and I said, that is so, and I was reading him. I said, that's so interesting. this is it's you've got this dynamic with magnetics with the unrequited lover you're always going to feel the attraction toward and genuine that's that whole rush you mentioned earlier that like oh my god i've never felt this way they're the one that's your first warning sign of like okay there's magnetics in play here that i better sniff out right that euphoric kind of that's that's kind of the high of the magnetic match hitting boom you know i always say that if you feel that crazy euphoria, anxiety, butterflies in the stomach, that is the body's

warning system. When you meet and connect with someone who is truly the one, you have attraction at first sight, but you have love at first insight when you kind of really get to know them a little bit better. And the feeling is like coming home to your dream house. I don't mean coming home to hovel, you know, dirty, yucky house. I mean, coming home to a dream house, that kind of homecoming excitement. And people don't really understand because in the movies talk about the butterflies and everybody beats me up when I say don't trust the butterflies, but the butterflies are really anxiety. Yeah. And you're right about culture programs us like we are programmed through like one of how about the hopeless romantic pattern, you know, this whole like I'm just,

Yeah. You know, but I'm never going to finally, you know, and this is played out in rom-coms. We see bad magnetics and rom-coms all the time. And they don't usually, you know, real life doesn't work out usually like that. Right. It's usually like, no, that's not really how this is going to go. So magnetics, I mean, it's in spite of your best efforts. If you keep bringing people in or finding yourself drawn toward people or them to you, it's a great opportunity to go. What in me is the match here? And then you got to kind of sit with that. And so when it comes to identifying one's archetypes or patterns, just look at your patterns that are consistent and give them a name. So if I'm a perfectionist, right, that's actually an archetype. Well, I'm perfectionistic all the time. I think perfectionistic thoughts. I, I look at everything as if what needs to be fixed. There's never self-appreciation.

This is the pattern. Like there's always something I got to fix or improve. Well, then there's your, your, your clue. Like I have that pattern. And so what would that attract? And for example, a lot of times that attracts people that are very critical of you. Ironically, it brings in that kind of like same mirroring, same internals dialogue. Externally.

Yeah. Externally. That's one way it can go, you know? And then if it was someone that wasn't critical of you and really like held space and loved you, you might not have a value for that relationship because it's so foreign and you don't know, well, what do you mean? I'm messed up, right? I mean, no, you're fine.

well, I don't know what to do with that. Well, it's like the woman who, and I hear this all the time, why am I always attracted to the bad boy? I want someone good and kind and considerate and loyal. And yet I can't find myself attracted, right? She's not magnetized toward those people. Exactly. Yeah. She is magnetized and magnetizing bad boys, people who are going to abandon her, cheat on her, mistreat her. And part of it, and I always say this is because there is this kind of commitment to being, it's sort of like the perfectionist, a not enoughness, right? A low worth that if you are that into me and that good to me, something must be wrong with you. You're a loser. Their system doesn't know how to compute that. Like that's that I don't compute that you're

into me because what, you know, it's like, I, yeah, it's like, I don't know how to get a steam in that? How do I get esteem in that? I'm used to getting esteem by chasing the one that's going to do me harm in the end. By trying to earn the love from the one who's going to withhold it. So I think it's a really powerful arena to consider. And if it's helpful to anybody just to think in terms of patterns, because I think that's where we really get our vibrational frequency and magnetics from is our patterns. I mean, our thoughts, I mean, we all have monkey minds. I mean, we're thinking how many things a day and they're not that magnetic to cause those things to happen or whatnot. It's really the pattern that's consistently, you know, playing

out actively that kind of spins up the magnetics. And I would call, we're kind of, we've been talking about shadow matches, you know, but there's also positive matches too. I mean, this goes all around the board. And I think once you start working with that consciously, that's very powerful because then you really are opening up to different, I would even say dimensions of experience with relationships and people that now you can enter into because you're not going to repel them. You know, if someone's really into you, you would repel that if you're the unrequited lover and people don't even realize like if a really good person came and wanted to be there for you and wanted to love you for you, you'd slam the door on their face.

You'd be like, I don't know what, no. And we would think, no, you wouldn't. But you, and you may not even know that there's someone looking at you with those eyes because you don't see, you know, your magnetics and that, and that pattern puts your eyes on a focus of who's the one that's going to abandon me, not love me. And, you know, eventually, you know, really you're not consciously thinking, no, that's your attraction pattern. So if you've noticed, and you're listening to this and you feel like, oh yeah, I do have this pattern of attracting people who are unavailable, attracting people who abandon being in relationships that don't go the distance being in relationships that turn out to be abusers or narcissists or cheaters or whatever.

right? So you've identified the pattern, then what's the next step for your average person? What should we be asking ourselves? Yeah, I love that question. And I have to kind of go into a little sidebar to answer it because where I've seen people get hung up and I throw myself in the mix, I'm human. When we have bad magnetic experiences and shadow matches and shadow dance with these matches, we can feel victimized, right? It just feels like what that, you know, starts to reinforce this sort of victim consciousness in us, the first thing you need to do is give that a hug. And I always feel like to shift or change anything, technically speaking, you always have to start with acceptance. And that doesn't mean I have to like it. I don't think

those things have to be together. Like I have to like it to accept it. No, you don't. I have a lot of things about myself I don't like, but I accept, right? And if you can accept it, then it's just, it is what it is. Right. So I'm going to stay with what it is. And the first step I've seen people have to go through is I have to shift out of thinking I'm a victim here. It's not to say that this hasn't felt victimizing. If you're someone that, you know, hardcore here attracts an abuser or someone that even, you know, escalates further into harm in that, you know, kind of area that isn't to say you weren't victimized. You absolutely were, but I've seen people make a victim experience identity. And then that sets you on now magnetics of the victim.

That's real hard to even see because the victim turns in on itself. Like it wasn't fair. This shouldn't have happened. So the language, you know, a victim consciousness, it should have been this way. Which is all true. And you can hold the fact because it shouldn't have happened and you shouldn't have been abused. And it's horrible that it happened to you. And just like with every really, I mean, I say this to couples where there's been cheating all the time and the victim of cheating always gets pissed at me, but I explain it to them that it doesn't mean it's your fault that your partners cheated on you or that you asked for it, but every relationship is a dance, right? And there are ways in which the dynamics delivered you here, even if it's the

ways in which you put your head in the sand, the ways in which you look the other way, the ways in which you disconnected or disengaged or the ways in which you push too hard. You know, there's a million things once again, not blaming, but that's part of, I think what you're saying with the acceptance is like accepting that we are all creating our, even the realities and Lord knows, we all know I've had a lot of shitty realities, right? I always say that all, all affairs are co-created kind of mirroring what you, you know, when I, when I would do that with readings, people similarly would kind of bristle a bit and get uncomfortable. In fact, we had a caller on Oprah radio. You and I, that I remember this clearly, she was trying to control

her husband. He wanted out the door and she was trying to make him stay because they took a vow. I mean, she was hanging on this. You took a vow and shaming him and mad at him. And he was like, I am out the door, but you know, we, we co-create in relationships. And that doesn't mean that someone who cheats on someone doesn't have responsibility to bear it. They do. But then you look, turn it to yourself because that's the only place you're going to have power and go, well, what about me is co-creating this dynamic? That's a powerful pivot to make. And that's where we could apply to your first question. Like, well, what do you do? Well, you, you step up as a co-creator and you say, okay, I've co-created this somehow I've co-created these magnetics,

this situation in some regard, how do I do that? And then, you know, first I'm going to accept myself right now as I am, as a, I say, flawsome human being. And then, you know, I'm going to have to now take a next step into looking at my dark side and looking at where my pain and where I need to hug something and, and give it more love and where I need. Cause that's where we start to make that shift. And it's really interesting. Once you shift out of a pattern, I think we all know this because we've experienced this, but your whole dimension of reality changes and the people in it. Right. It's like, that's also why we don't want to change sometimes. It's like, well, I'm going to then what lose some of my friends. If you're an addict and you get sober. Yeah. You

can't hang out with your addict friends anymore. Usually, you know, I mean, well, anytime you elevate in consciousness, I mean, I write and talk about this all the time as we're all awakening and ascending. Anytime you evolve, heal, elevate your consciousness, people who can't stay in that frequency drop away or demonize you or pick fights or whatever. So yeah. So with evolution, you lose people, but you also, they were people who couldn't hang with your higher evolved self. And then it makes room for all these other cool people to come in. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. In hand with that, I would say you have to really evaluate your relationship with the unknown. How healthy is that? Because we all want certainty. I mean, right. But to go

into that new frequency, that new magnetics, that new dimension, and let go perhaps of the familiar relationships and magnetics and, and shadow dancing you've been doing, you're headed right into the unknown. You have no idea who you will be in this new realm. And that's also the beauty of it. But a lot of us have an adversarial relationship with uncertainty, right? We're like, I don't know. Yeah. And that's the true work in my opinion of spirituality. Like I'm going to step into this new space with full faith. This is the faith piece, the muscle that I'm going to align and be in alignment with those who are meant for this next part of my story, my next journey. And we, it's just exactly what happens. We have tons of proof and, you know, historically in our

timelines here of that's exactly what happens. And, you know, life's got you, you got you and it gets even better. So I love this arena though, because it's just where I see, you know, when I was working with people privately, a lot of shifts, a lot of possibility to kind of change and really understand oneself with a lot of love. Archetypes of adaptation, we adapt them, our subconscious mind adapts them to survive as kids. So, you know, the perfectionist is actually one of those archetypes. Like I had to be, I had to try to figure out how, if there's a lot of shame in the house and there's a lot of shame in our culture. So that's why so many of us struggle with this archetype. So I'm going to just then be perfect. So I can't be judged. Like, how do I defend

against the shame? And that pattern, I think everybody kind of has on some level in this, in our society. That's where the compassion comes in and the self. So, so like, just to break this down, what you've been saying for guys, for everyone. So it's about identifying the pattern, then asking yourself the question, okay, what, let's get real honest here. How have I been co-creating this pattern contributing to this pattern either consciously or unconsciously then it's about really just embracing and feeling compassion and love for that part of you who's probably been unconsciously usually creating this pattern out of an adaptation that you bought into really early in life in order to survive your exactly and it wasn't conscious yeah

Right. It was just a survival strategy. I use you as an example of that all the time. I think you know that. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, that's how I know this stuff so well. I mean, I've lived through it and I've seen it in my own magnetics and patterns and it's a work in progress even today. I mean, it's like you kind of just keep rolling with it. Yeah. And keeping an eye, just one other thing, just always keep an eye on the victim side of your psyche. It's true you had a victimizing experience, like to frame it this way, because it gives people some space. You absolutely had a victimizing experience, but I'm just going to offer that if you make victim victimization, your identity, that there's magnetics and karma that come with that. And it's

not very fun and it's, you're still lovable. You're still enough, no matter what. So we got that, that let's just hug that in. But we know if you walk around, uh, identifying as a victim, I mean, you even see people that are heavy in victim consciousness seem to always draw more of that to them, you know, it's not to blame the victim or anything. It's more technical magnetics. It's like, you know, I've watched people do that too. So, you know, you'll, you're never going to go wrong from just self-acceptance and love step one. I mean, you never go wrong there and the spiritual person. So I call it a soul prayer. I bring it up to whatever anyone's concept of, of God or higher power spirit is. And Hey, I need help. I need

some angels on the scene here. I'm Rocky on the ropes right now. You know, I need someone to remind me that I am enough. I need some, you know, some nudge or whisper. And I've always seen that get answered. So, you know, that's another thing. Yeah. So many beautiful strategies. I remember it was just a few years ago. I think this was after my dad died, but before Sammy died, I was talking to some healer, like a friend of mine had referred me to, and he said, I'll never forget this. He He said, I want you to just take a few minutes and make a circle that says me and then make little circles all around that circle with lines connecting them to you of everyone you feel responsible for.

I cannot. How many circles were on that piece of paper? And I knew I was a codependent. I knew I was in recovery. going through my dad's death had been a huge part of recovering and the limits I had that and the boundaries I had to set and the healing I had to do to get through that. But that was profound for me because there were so many people on that list. My dad, like everybody was dead that I needed to, my kids that I needed to take care of at this point.

And so it was, and my husband, I'm not, wasn't on the list. I'm not responsible for him. It was my kids and about 10 friends. And what I realized was that I was subscribing to this really common codependent belief that just because I can help, I have to help. And in my codependence, I had attracted in all of these beautiful broken birds. I fixed because my MO was always, if you need me, you won't leave me. I always would attract in the people who needed me back then, not anymore because I'm no longer in those relationship magnetics. But at the time I really was, and I remember being shot. I was like, why are all of these people here on this list of people. You just did a magnetic mapping. You just read yourself.

That's how you read yourself. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And it was a big wake up. This is the magnet codependent. And here's all the people that are magnetically. That's brilliant. I love that exercise. Very few of those people are still in my life, not by my choice, but because once I realized that and I was like, okay, I need to pull my energy back in. Like I cannot keep surviving this way. And then when Sammy died, all bets were off. Like nobody's getting shit from me for the foreseeable future. You know, like it was all finished there. Like I haven't been a give for a year, but even leading up to that, I started to lose these friends, but I was prepared. I didn't want it to happen, but I was prepared that as I didn't show up to rescue them in the same way,

to make everything okay for them because I couldn't tolerate their pain and I could do something to help. So I would, when I started just working on my own energetics or maybe magnetics or it was, then all of a sudden these people either disappeared from my life or more often started demonizing me and saying these horrible things to me. And like words that were basically saying, you've never been there for me. You're a horrible friend. I knew it was the opposite, but it was such a wake-up call because I realized that I was basically attracting in all of these beautiful, wonderful, fun, sweet, kind, loving victims who were vampires and committed to being in victims and committed to being saved. And I was stepping into the savior mode because

I got my self-worth there. But what ended up happening is that it cleared the runway for a whole bunch of amazing people who don't suck energy to come into, who I'm all responsible. In fact, I'm so careful. I just had a friend who's going through a really tough time who I love and I know how much pain she's in. And she said something to me, she's going through a separation. She's devastated. All her childhood wounds are coming up and I'm having to just like forcefully resist dropping everything and going to be by her side. I mean, I'm there for her. I'm checking with her, talking to her, making time for her. But she was like, I'm going to be alone on the holidays. And I had to hold my lips closed from saying, it's for the holidays

with me. You know, like I just like, that's my MO when people I love pain, but then I end up just bleeding out the floor. Can I give you an intuitive perspective of everything you just said, because this is powerful and I think it's going to speak to everybody. And I knew you were getting something. I'm like, I'm going to wait till you're done, but here we go. So, but I want you to think about this and just see how it feels in your system. One of the things I was going to say, and then you, you just right in one of the places we get drawn to, I said, you know, you're going to meet and greet your victim. You know, when you get down to like looking at your magnetic mapping, but ultimately I think end game is your child, your inner child. And in your case, you

are an example here of, it was your own loss of a child that brought you to your inner child to then map the magnetics of all the people that were taking from you and, you know, vampirizing you in that sort of matching. And then you beginning to realize, because a lot of times what does happen for folks. And it can be cancer, a health issue, or just a depression. When we get kind of collapsed by an event, like life can throw at us. Right. And you guys, you've been through both lady. I signed up for many PhDs. She's like next level. I'll take that one too. Good. Yeah. That's when we get our magnetics jammed. I've done many readings on people with health issues. I'm not a medical intuitive at all, but that I could track the energy and magnetic side

of things and say, okay, well, I had a woman once who had cancer and she could not be codependent and with her children anymore. And she was always rescuing them and always giving them money and bailing them out and being in from this bad mother guilt complex, always moving around trying. And they knew it, they played it. And you got to understand people play your magnetics like a fiddle. They know exactly how to work the magnetics. And that's the thing to keep in mind.

we intuitively read each other unconsciously all the time. So a vampire knows who's going to be a blood donor when they walk down the street. And a bully knows who they can bully. And they're not going to go near someone that's going to pop them in the face if they start trying to bully them, because that doesn't match for them. So be you. I mean, and this would be another piece for everyone. It always comes into that inner child in yourself. And I sense many of us have inner children so many abandoned child wounded child we got invisible child you know i had to be invisible to survive my family and then that goes into adulthood and then no one can see your needs you don't even see your needs because you're invisible to yourself i mean it just you know

so these things i was aware after i did this work that i in order to get my needs met i had to take care of and rescue primarily my mother my dad barely took care of any needs but other than approval. And that's the adult child. That's the adult child, you know, rescuing, you know, a parent, which I have too. Even when I was little, I would have to emotionally buffer and support and lift up my depressed, shut down mother in order for her to take me to school or make a snack or what I couldn't do for myself. So I learned early, not only did I get it, I just had this epiphany the other day with a girlfriend and I started cracking up that when I was little, like my family would recount this and tease me about it. When people would ask me, what do you

want to be? And this was back in the early, early seventies, I would say a nurse or a comedian. And they thought that was so random and funny. And I just never thought about it. And recently I realized, of course, I didn't understand caretaker. Like I knew, and there were no female doctors back then. So I didn't even occur to me in that little young age that I could be a doctor. So a nurse was the closest I could get to a healer and a caretaker, which was already really comfortable and would literally play out with my mother. She would have me play nurse or play mommy where I would do that for her. So, and a comedian, if any, I could get myself out of trouble when my dad was in one of his rages, or I could get my mother out of a depressed

by being a ham and making them laugh. So the two things I knew how to get my needs met was to take care of you and nurse you because I couldn't doctor you. That didn't exist for girls. Or make you laugh, nurse or comedian. It made total sense. It started really early and then that became my magnetics.

You're a powerful example of, I think, the shift. It's sometimes something like for you, I mean, the loss of Sammy, my God. I mean, and then it's just shutting down all these other things, because you're right. There's no extra, there's nothing you got to, it's, it's your own, like, I got to go in and, and grieve and everything that I've witnessed you do over the past couple of years here. And then that's where you do redo a magnetic reset, you know, you, and then, then you don't move. You can truly not move from a certain magnetics

that used to be in play. You really can change this. I mean, it is absolutely changeable. and and i think you know sometimes we have you know these sort of soul schedules of destiny where fate intervenes or an event intervenes and and it shuts down the magnetics and a lot of times the beauty of working with intuition is you can kind of in some regards not always but preempt some of these two by fours you know like smack um and then and kind of go okay well this isn't working and if you learn to watch when your system loses power when you lose energy when your magnetics or yeah. Butterflying around and Ooh, they're, they're the one. I mean, that's when you're like, maybe not, you know, it's, this is where I think this can be so helpful

is to start to become more engaged in your multisensory nature and turn that on and really listen. And so then you got to ask what patterns in you allow you to listen to that. Cause some shut it off and then start to Matt. It's just how this is the read. You start going through patterns. I said, well, this one, this one does this, this one does this, this one. And when it comes to archetypes and patterns in us, they always manage something. Yeah. So the adult child manages the wounded parent to, because what are they going to do? They can't get to school or buy clothes or, you know, without a parent.

So I've got to prop up my parent emotionally or, you know, and that was me with two addict parents, you know, and so the codependent manages other people and it's a circuitous routing. If I make you happy, then you'll not abandon me as you know, right. And then I'll be taken care of and then I'll survive. It comes down to like this core child perspective and the subconscious of I'll survive. That's what I don't think people understand.

I was just saying that listener that called in earlier today and we were talking about codependency, that that need for approval in this case, right? The need for the parent approving of you and seeing you as good versus bad. Like now the stakes don't seem so high so you don't understand why it's such a charge. But that little girl in you or that little child in you, it was life or death because, you know, no one else was providing your safety food or shelter.

Like if you didn't do what you needed to do or accommodate what you needed to accommodate in order to have your parents be as okay or your caretakers be as okay as they could be with you, it was life or death. Every single one of us. That's how the child sees it. And we're engineered, bioengineered in our psychology to scan the environment for these things. And that's where our empathic senses go beyond us and start to feel our parents. And we're feeling them to see, are you going to take care of me today? Or am I going to get to school?

Am I going to get, I mean, it's not conscious, it's subconscious. But then I always look at it, I use this terminology, the subconscious goes, okay, I need to recruit a pattern here to manage this threat. So if it's shame, if it's shame coming at me, where's the, well, I'll recruit the perfectionist. I'll be perfect. Or, you know, it's, it recruits something, draws it in, and then you just set up magnetics too. I mean, that go forward with you from there until you, you know, come to your, your soul and, and awaken enough to go, I don't need to be perfect. In fact, I don't want those

magnetics anymore. You know, I just, you know, or an adult child or a rescuer, especially when it comes to relationships, I often wonder, you know, is the adult even dating or is it just someone looking for mommy and daddy, you know, because that's usually who's swiping right here, you know, or some sort of resolution. Yeah. I'm sort of resolution. I always say that we are never, ever, ever having a relationship with someone else. We are having a relationship with ourselves through that other person and what they're triggering, what they're mirroring, what they're catalyzing, what they're, it's not even the other person. It's what we're projecting onto them and internalizing from them that we're really in a relationship with.

Yeah, that's really true. I think I sense we can get to a place where we really do like relate in at that mystical kind of level. I do believe it's a mystical level actually of love and connection because then there's no conditions and it's just, I want to share in intimacy and come to know you. And yeah, and then we're, I think it's both in, you know, we're always knowing ourselves through somebody too. Absolutely.

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I really hope you can join us. i think you knowing you as deeply as i possibly can is a way to also know why do i even want to do that it's part of knowing me yeah i mean i don't mean hey all of us are completely it's a deep soul psychological thing it's not i don't mean like everyone else is just a way for each of us to have our own experience it's like that's how it's experienced if that yeah well at the ultimate you know mystical reality all is one so we're all kind of you know we're all connected and we interbe we interfeel we interbreathe you know it's so at the same yeah we're going to miss we're going off the charts here we're like that's what we do we come into oneness

we got oneness magnetics now. Yeah, that's right. Wouldn't that be nice? Well, I think you can have those. Yeah. I mean, I, I think it's also nice. I mean, life's gritty, you know, relationships are messy. We're messy. You know, I think that all gets to be here, but when you get into those spaces of just really, ah, I mean, I feel it for my pets. It could bring tears to my eyes, you know, that kind of love. That's just like, I just love you. I don't care. I just love you. You know? yeah, that's a beautiful place to be. And what about, can I ask you about, cause you know, I've known you for a long time and I know you've had some dalliances and some shorter term things, but where are you in your relationship life? Are you, is there anyone interesting in the picture?

Well, no, there isn't anybody actually, but you know, it's interesting. The last three years of my life were pretty rough. We both went through, we always parallel each other to some degree. I I mean, not exactly, but my, my stepfather had brain cancer last year and he died over the whole year. I lost my dog and then my mom had a stroke. So I had like all these things and I was like, I am not trying to date. And then I relocated, bought a house during COVID and we made COVID. So now I'm just coming into the space where I'm kind of opening up the aperture.

I'm like, okay, let's get our magnetics on. Yeah. So just saying, you know. So anyone out there, you can't just listening. He's really cute. but I think this is a really important piece of finding love, right? Not just keeping love. Cause many of us, you know, you can change your relationship magnetics, even in a current relationship. I mean, that's been, you've known. Absolutely. Yeah, you can. And if the other person

is willing to, to pivot in the patterns with you and, and that's where I think we get that long-term committed kind of active participatory marriage or connection or, you know, commitment from somebody, but it is a verb, you know, we have to kind of stay in the verbs, verb space of our magnetics and, and, you know, shifting and shadow dancing and mirroring and waking up. I think that's, you know, what I've seen go the distance for most people is when you're able to stay verbs with each other and let the marriage or connection be a verb, not just I'm married period end of sentence, like done deal, you know, no, we, we, our soul is just hungry for experience and growth and connection. So, you know, you're not stopping that part of you. That's, you know,

wanting to keep lighting up and growing and all that kind of stuff. And I think now, especially having this conversation in an era of the internet is really useful because images have no magnetics in terms of really something behind them, drawing you, they can draw some, they can draw you in but it's, it's a shadow magnetic, often shadow magnetic pull. That's it's because it's really your projection into the image and connection to the image of somebody. And now Instagram and all the ways that people just put up image and images can't love you, you know, masks can't love. So this conversation and, you know, this exploring our magnetics in context to that or dating apps or, you know, all that kind of stuff as well. Dating apps. That's really, yeah. Yeah. What

would you say about the relationship managing the the magnetics of you want to call love in you're on the apps the first thing is is really grounding into your intentionality like what part of you and it could be many but just get into one or two parts of you that are really getting on tinder or getting on bumble or getting on match.com or whatever it might be obviously if it's a hookup situation, you know, we know what part of it is active there in the story. But if it's really, I'm really searching for companionship or I'm searching for connection, then what part of you is really moving forward and swiping? I mean, I've been on some apps and I'm like, what part of me is swiping for this person? What am I really feeling and thinking

and imagining? I think that's really valuable because most of the swiping happens impulsively and quickly and kind of almost compulsively like swipe, swipe, swipe. Without even reading their profile. Like, you know, okay. Yeah. That, yeah. Yeah. I remember being, you know, matched with people on Tinder and next thing I, they'd asked me a question. I'm like, that wasn't my profile, dude. I was always a bit put off by that. I'm like, nah, you know, or you gather a bunch of matches and then no one talks to anyone who could talk to 200 people. I mean, it's like, you can't, you can't possibly manage that. So I'm, I, for me, that's why I've, I've shut that part down and opening it up again, because I wasn't in a place in my life and I was clear

on my intentionality. Like I'm not ready to, to get into that intimacy dance and, and all that goes with dating and relating. I've got, you know, family loss and, you know, traumas going on in my family. And you were going through the same thing. I mean, not that you're dating, but, you know, but you know, it's like you said, it's a shutdown into the, I got it. This is, I got to keep it basic. And yeah. So, but intentionality. And then what part of you is it, is it, am I looking for mommy or daddy? Am I looking for someone to make me enough? Are you coming from enoughness to where you want connection? You know, and you can be a little bit of both. We don't have to be perfect here, but it's just awareness because then you go in with the lights on. Yeah. And you're conscious.

Yeah. And you're like, okay. And what are my magnetics? And what am I, what am I really looking for? Is it my unrequited lover that's swiping for this person right now? My codependent, oh, they look like a great rescue mission. I mean, you know, and you got to go to your shadows i'd like what's up here good fixer upper this one i could change yeah oh gosh it's all so complicated but also so simple and i think so simple you know but you're right it's kind of both isn't it's like it's the stuff we really in our core know and i mean that's what intuition is it's you already know yeah and you are the first one do you remember this you were the first one that sort of catalyzed that because I use my intuition, get downloads, get information. I

mean, it's like on fire over the past five, six years. And I don't even attempt to camouflage therapeutic insights anymore. I'm just like, oh, I just heard something up. I just got something. I just got the download. I got the read. Yeah. Yeah. When this this was just really starting, I mean, it was there a lot when I was a little girl and then it totally shut down and then it was just starting again. I remember when I, it was probably the first time I interviewed you on Oprah radio. So this was, I don't even know, a decade or more ago. Yeah. Or more. Well, yeah, it was more. And you were explaining what, you know, an intuition was, and you were doing these intuitive kind of reads. And I was noticing that everything you were saying to these people, I

already knew. I remember that. Yeah. I was like, I was thinking the same thing. I was like, wait a minute, Robert, maybe I'm a psychic intuitive or an intuitive love strategist too. And you were like, yeah, you probably are. And I was like, Oh yeah, I absolutely are. I didn't, I am, but I didn't understand. I think we all are too. It was a new movement of, of how to see it for you from the clinical side. Yeah. I didn't know it was coming from somewhere else. I thought it was just a guess. I mean, it is a guess, but I didn't really understand until I saw you. Cause I would have those thoughts and I was like, oh, no, that's just a story I have about this person. And then it comes out of my mouth and you're like, oh, I was like, oh, maybe I was right.

And then that gave me a tremendous amount of confidence to start exploring that and building that. So thank you all those. Well, you're welcome. I've always felt you were very empathic and intuitive. And, you know, I think you're, I call it an empathic soul. You just feel bigger bandwidths. And that's something to consider, Laura, and for anyone listening, imagine you come in as a soul with more of a bandwidth to, to perceive reality and sense dimensionally energies and people. And you're yet in an infant psychology on a human level. And how are you handling all that, that your soul is bringing in your feeling? Yeah. And you, then what we do, of course, is, is children as we personalize it to us, right? It's my fault. They're feeling that

I'm well, I don't say, well, what can I do? And then here come our adaptations, you know, we start to build a team, an adapted team to help us survive. And then that take that team forward into adulthood. And, you know, it usually doesn't go so well that our magnetics bring in a repeat of everything we went through in childhood. It may be different packaging, but it's really the same at essence magnetics. So, you know, it's, but I always thought that about you. That inner child, children, there are many. That inner child I'm saying. Yeah. And, and, and until we really take care of that, we can't be intuitive adults. And being an intuitive adult, in intuition, there's a

shrewdness. There's a sort of like, I'm a technician as an intuitive. And I look at things technically and I had an undergrad background in psychology. So I had that base anyway of a little bit of clinician, but a little bit of that kind of like, no, I want the read. I want, it's got to feel tangible. And for me, it really does. It just feels like another sense, but it's tangible as touching something for me. It's very energy and frequency and someone's psyche and getting the read we read each other as soon as we meet each other oh yeah we're just not aware we call it a first impression usually yeah and you can't forget it could be a first projection not impression but you know it is oftentimes bang on and then we're like i knew

that i knew that about that person why didn't i listen but i didn't listen to myself i mean the truth is we're taking in i remember i remember being so astounded by this when i first learned this statistic, but we are taking in 40 billion bits of information into our brains every millisecond. Yeah. And only most of us, unless we're in touch with our intuition and tapping into that consciously, most of us are only consciously processing 2000 of the 40 billion bits that we're taking in every millisecond.

Yeah. And the subconscious is doing the rest or then you connect that to intuition. Yeah. Right. Or you're just not neither your subconscious or your conscious is taking it in. Right. But right. Conscious mind is only taking in 2000. So the point there is that there's a whole universe happening beyond our conscious. And that the intuitive piece is, you know, those who are really intuitive, whether it's because that was an adaptation in order to survive their childhood, which I know you've talked about, or whether something they've cultivated or learned to do, or they've welcomed in or whatever the reason, those people are taking in more than 2000 bits, right? They're taking in more information consciously and processing more consciously, which we all can do. Yeah. It's, it's, to me, it's kind of like I'll ping the web of all that information through my, through an intuitive, usually I'm in questions, generate intuition, or just listening and then getting impressions, but it's like pinging it and then getting a holographic read back. You know, it's like call and response, like, okay, boom, what is it? And then download comes, you know? And, uh, that's kind of the, to me, it's a, it's a bit of a skill of call and response. because I can't hold all that information, but the intuition siphons a schemata for me in

to kind of see it. Now I applied it to people mostly, right. So, or culture and movements of patterns and culture. Uh, and that's where astrology for me comes in as, as a great tool to start tracking, like what, what are the cycles we're in? What's the collective psyche doing? Um, are we going to survive? Are we going to survive? Just tell me that before we ask. Yeah. Well, you know, I'll tell you it's this next couple, two to three years are a massive crossroads and such ways. I think we lack imagination to understand. I think when we talk about things like AI and what it's going to do to our society, I think we lack imagination of what it is going to do. I think it's, we think we know, but we don't actually,

it's so much bigger. You can't even conceptualize what's going to happen. You can't, I mean, it's, it's already like leaping and bounding every month. It's like, and I think there's both benefit and, and real risk and detriment in it. It's a both end proposition, but also my God, our climate, you know, it's, it's, these things are kind of coming forward and that is, I would say astrology is what we live. It's not like some system in the sky. What it does do as a tool of synchronicity is it does show so accurately. And I'm telling you, after 30 years of working with this tool, it shows so accurately timing

and I can get in and I can sense events and sometimes events can shift. Sometimes they can't, the karma's tipped. It's too far gone. And so those are more readable, but then there's that area of the X factor. Something can shift or shift in a certain way. And so I'm interested in not only the X factors of like, this is part of becoming a conscious co-creator and using intuition is what are the X factors in my life? Not only the collective, but mine as well. And how can we, you know, do that kind of engagement where we get into

the psyche and the intuitive field to understand our options. And then that's when you're really, I think, working with co-creation. You're finding your influence, your power, and none of us are all powerful, but where can I have influence? Where do I have power? where am I powerless? That's also clear to understand. And what can I do? I think people do stuff. They don't realize the karmic dots connected and until it's too late, you know, and until the tip happens. So giving what's coming or what astrologically is predicted beyond what you just said, what, what advice would you have? Well, it's, it's actually under the umbrella of one theme and it's one that a lot of people

don't want to hear or they fight against. And that's, we are in our evolutionary pressure becoming one world. Now, the truth, Laura, is we've always been one world. We just didn't know it. We didn't know like there was other continents. We thought we'd fall off the flat earth. We didn't, you know, we'd go back in time. We're like, we're the center of the solar system. We just didn't know. But then now we know, I mean, the internet wired this into our nervous system now that we are one world and we can either start living like we're one world or not. But the more we do decide not to live like we're one world, they're not saying we shouldn't have independent cyber nations. I'm not saying any of that at all. Or I think economies that kind of inter be,

but at the same time, you know, it's one climate, it's one atmosphere. And we, if we more, we move with that, you know, micro that to, to yourself, like, okay, I've got to live now that as if everything I do is connected to everything else. Everything impacts everything. Everything's connected. I interbe, I interfeel. I, you know, and then it makes you, I think, pause and think about your choices and, and what you believe and, you know, what you lean into, what you lean out of and where, where can you in your life live as if you're the answer to someone's prayer? Where can you do that? I mean, that's, that's, that's it. Like, all right. There's how can I live in such a way that I answer your prayer or, you know, that, that abandoned animal to

shelters prayer, or, you know, the homeless person's prayer. Yes. We want to be very clear. This is soul prayer territory. This is, this is light. This is light. We don't want dark. We don't want dark grids of energy. No, we're not answering their prayer, but you know, the prayer is about the wholism of it all. Like it's all part of one thing. And every day we're all going to make choices. I'm going to make it one in five minutes. It's not connected to wholism or, you know, it's just, it's being human, but we've got to really kind of dial up the heart. I call it making a transition from the human heart to the cosmic heart. And this is really, if you get into Christ, this is what Christ was about. Christ was, Hey, I'm going to show you

the gate from the human heart to cosmic. And a lot of you won't be able to handle this because you're gonna have to forgive people. You don't want to, you're going to have to turn the other cheek. I mean, there's, he, he set down the path, the pattern, like, this is how you do this. This is how you come together as one. Right. And I think other spiritual teachers as well, but this is the new era of really moving as a co-creator, but there's a co in co-creator. So what is the co it's, I mean, think of it this way. You and I might have ambitions or dreams to write another book or you want to live somewhere in California. I live in Colorado. I'm happy where I live, but let's just say I wanted to live somewhere else. Now I have to actually ask, can I live

there with climate change coming? Will there be water? Will it get too hot? I mean, am I going to be at risk for floods? Will there be tornadoes? I mean, this is the co now in our co-creative journey. So the thing that I think a lot of people missed in the co-creative movement is that there's to go there and we we think that we're the center of all power and attraction it's not true we are part of a bigger you know creative magnetic matrix and we have magnetics and attraction sure but if i i mean oprah couldn't have been oprah in 1920 because the culture there were no tvs that way whatever studios but you know go go to just racism alone like the soil of the culture wouldn't have allowed her to come up that way. She's on the shoulder of all these other people that

opened that up for her. And she, you know, she talks about this. It's no different for me as a gay man. Like I couldn't get married without Harvey Milk and Greg Louganis and, you know, Matthew Shepard and all these other people that in their own way created the soil for me to plan in as an equal. And if I want to get married, get married. So this is a huge piece too. Like we've got to start thinking that what is personal is also collective and what's collective is personal. There is no separation. What soil are we cultivating? And what can grow in it? Yeah. Like what soil and what seed are you trying to plant? Can it actually grow in that soil? And that's, that's real shrewd. Like that's a read. It's like,

well, I'm shrewd. I'm going to read that, you know, but that's don't, you know, and then once the soil grows or something starts growing, it's a baby. You got to take care of it. You got to into it and water it, nurture it, and maybe give it some fertilizer. I don't know, you know, metaphorically, but you know, these, this to me is where we are in there in the cycles, the cycles are teaching us this, especially this year. It's like, you got to understand that it's all interconnected. Now you can't move. And I think if there's anything that we could get positive out of COVID, maybe it was that lesson too. Like, Hey, you know, one country gets a virus. We all get it. You know, it's like, and then we, you know, it's how are we going to move

with that? You know, how are we going to free is polluting the world. We're all going to, you know, the fires in Canada. I mean, it doesn't matter if you don't live in Canada. I mean, if you're on the Eastern seaboard and even Midwest, you're breathing smoke this summer. I have an aunt who's in Wisconsin who is struggling right now with asthma because of the fires in Canada, you know, and it's, this is a, this is a spiritual lesson, but it's also just so basic, you know, and we've got to we got to get these things down you know i think to really to move into our next potential as a as a humanity and certainly as individuals but yeah so there's a lot of like that i could go into the actual planets but i want to people like what um but yeah i mean saturday the pisces

who uh yeah bottom line is be aware be conscious a lot of shit's gonna start hitting the fan a lot of things we've been in denial about are going to come to the forefront and be seen. And we're going to be called on to start moving in the world, understanding that we all are in this together, affecting one another in ways that we haven't yet even fully wrapped our day-to-day conscious minds. Preach. Yeah, absolutely. You know, that's just that, you know, called on. A calling comes from something greater than you. A calling comes from the wholism of life. It says, I need you function as the heart for the life right now, because this life needs a heart. We already got lungs, but now we need a heart. You know, what are you here for? We were, each of us were born

for this time. What's your calling? Well, the calling is not going to come from your wounded ego. It's going to come from something, you know, greater and nothing wrong with the wounded ego. We got to love all of us, but it's going to come from something holistic and connected. And, you You know, you know, when people are in their calling, you can just feel their frequency. They're like that person's dialed in, man. I, they carry a light that says, I care about, you know, all of life. And, and then, and then they have the resources of all of life. You plug into that grid of grace.

This is real. This is technically real stuff, you know? Yeah, absolutely. As it's a win-win, right? And I think that's an important point probably to even end with is to say, yes, because so often we think, I think our natural inclination in a world that promotes scarcity of resources and everything else is to think, okay, well, I don't even know if I have enough. I don't want to know if I can give to everyone else or whatever else, you know, I got to look out for number one.

But when you move to that collective place of really answering the call, being of service, moving to your heart, looking for ways that you can add to the world and plant the seeds and cultivate the soil we're talking about, that actually it's not only helping others, it's really helping yourself too. Absolutely. And, you know, kind of ending with you on that note of, I'm going to go a little spiritual here, a little mystical because I could tell you story after story, reading after reading, or just my own life stories of this truth that there's other forces unseen here that are part of the light, part of grace. And, you know, when you open this way, like you're speaking, Laura, you plug in. And so now you don't have to worry about scarcity

because you know, you got, you got the light on your side. You've got other resources in the energetic realm or in the spiritual realm. And I'm telling you, I've, I've had interventions, like you would just make your head spin. And I've seen them in other people's lives that, that really speak to this point. And when you cut off from that, it's not as available to you. Things can still intervene whether you're plugged in or not, but wouldn't you want to be kind of plugged in with full options? You know, the whole dashboard lit up and the way we plug in is by, you know, really seeing, as you're saying, like we are co-creating together, all life breathes together, feels together. I'm part of it all. And this is the part of you,

the heart that, that dials that in for you. Thank you so much for all your wisdom. Oh, we could just keep talking. That's wonderful. I know, we could talk for hours. And I wanna catch up with you separately too because we haven't had a chance to just do a practical coffee talk and catch up. I know.

But where can people find you? I'm launching a podcast in 2024, speaking of podcasts with a little ways off. But if you wanna kind of get in the know and keep track of what I'm up to in the meantime, ohotto.com, O-H-O-T-T-O.com, that's where I'm at. And you can come sign up on my newsletter and just sort of keep track of me.

Sounds good. I'm also on YouTube and Instagram, blah, blah, all the social media stuff too. We'll put it all in the show notes so that people can follow you and go to the website and get on any email list so they can stay in the know. And thank you. Thank you for all you are, all you do. All right, I got you. We love you, Robert.

I love you. It's been too long. I'm so glad to see you. I went to the doctor Said I'm crazy for your love