Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "A Briny Nothing That's Just for Luxury" (w/ Jenny Slate)

Episode Date: July 13, 2022

Put your BMs up in the AIR! No sicko, not THOSE BMs! It'll make sense once you listen to the ep, which this week features the legendary legend star Jenny Slate! The boys catch up on happenings during their little hiatus, specifically as they relate to Things That Are Eaten in the Pines, then get into the spectacular, made-for-everyone cinematic masterpiece that is "Marcel the Shell with Shoes On." Jenny then guides Matt and Bow through her glorious tapestry of formative culture before closing out with a truly necessary(!) IDTSH. It's good to be back, readers!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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see wow look over there wow is that culture yes goodness wow las culturistas Ding dong Las Culturistas calling After a two week hiatus The girls are back Hiatus Did you hear that? Hiatus Hiatus I think that's a wonderful little

It's like I'm British Hiatus Hiatus I don't know about British girl Reminds me of Hyannis In a way Hyannis Port right? Hyannis Port

Speaking of the Cape Well let's not talk about the cape just yet. But we love the cape. We do love the cape. Remember when we went to Provincetown? I remember when we went to Provincetown about a month ago. About a month ago. Did we tell the readers about Provincetown? I can't remember if we've like broken it

down for the readers. Can I just say it's been a while. It's been a while. It's been a while. And I was saying to Hot Engineer Doug, I was saying to Hot EP Anna. So hot. So hot. I was saying to both of them, absence makes the heart.

And then my sister said, grow stronger. And that I think should be what it is. It's actually rule of culture number 17. Absence makes the heart grow stronger. Hot EP Anna is saying, we mentioned it briefly in our culture catch up. I knew it.

I think we can break it down even further with our guest when we bring her in. Well, it's where we met the guest. That's where we met the guest. So that will be only appropriate, Beau. You know where else we went, which is sort of a let's just say a queer destination since the last time you recorded was the Fire Island Pines,

Beau. Oh my god. And how was it this time? What a wonderful week. It was really wonderful and um lots of new memories were made yeah i got so ill at the end that i thought i would die that's hard you really were not feeling great y'all don't get food poisoning have whatever you can do to avoid it do it is that what it was we're gonna say it was... So here's the thing, you guys. So if you're a faint of heart, sort of

plug your ears. Foods are something you eat. Also on the Fireland plans, you eat some other type of stuff. You eat other things there. It might make you sick. Here's what I'd say to everyone. Let's just make sure that even when we're on vacation, we're sort of

taking care of ourselves. We're scrubbing. We're really washing up because, you know, when you share parts of yourself with other people, you also share germs. You share germs. Am I being explicit enough for the readers? I think so. Our guest is giggling

silently, but I think an antiseptic is so necessary. I know people say, oh, halitosis is a made up disease. It doesn't matter. I want my mouth to be clean. That's not made up. Cleanliness is not a made up concept when it comes to oral hygiene. Do you know what I mean? Sure. Yeah, of course. All I'm saying is I got a 103 fever and the most intense abdominal pains of my life because these are so powerful because of what I'm calling food poisoning. So I'm sorry. And I am at my parents house and they are sort of sort of hashtag in the next room.

So, you know, but they know who their son is. A whore. And them's the brakes, as Boris Johnson just said in his resignation speech. Did he say that? He said... That's a very American thing. Well, you know, he might have learned it

from his best friend, Donald J. Trump. But he said, it's tough to be leaving the best job in the world, but them's the breaks. And I thought, well, that's a classy way to sort of leave the prime ministry.

Is it the best job in the world? What is the best job in the world? I think it's singer-songwriter. Oh, okay. Oh, I think Imagineer and singer-songwriter are tied

for best jobs in the world. You know, the thing about Imagineer is it's actually a lot of engineering. Which people love. Engineers do. It's actually rule of culture number 70. Engineers love engineering. But I think the top 400, it's a ranking of the jobs, of the top 400 jobs.

Is that going to be next year's list that we do, the top 400 jobs? It's not going to be next year. It's going to be two years because, you know, for another 100 episodes, we need 52 weeks in a year. For our 400th episode, you heard it here first, we're going to count down the top 400 jobs. Top 400 jobs. That'll be a good one. Okay, let's bring our guest in. We're so excited she's here.

This is a thrilling day. First of all, this is a huge day in the culture. Jen Shah has pled guilty. Oh, my God. So this is a major, major day. And to mark that, we decided, let's have a great guest. I have to say, wiping away tears watching the newest film from the guest. I mean...

We met at the Provincetown Film Festival, and I can only describe her sort of in-person presence as warm yet majestic. Truly regal yet... Yeah, you know what I'm saying. But it's giving Princess Di. It was giving... Like a princess for the people. But Princess Di, I think, sad. No, no, no, not sad.

Not sad. Our guest is not sad. With Princess Di, I think, hello. I think everything's a little sad. No, no, no. Not sad. Not sad. Our guest is not sad. With Princess Di, I think hello. I think everything's a little sad. You know what I mean? With our guest, I think, hey. Hey. And it was sort of like a warmth that there was a majesty.

I know. Princess Di is, they don't. And our guest is, they do. You did. They do. They do. You did. They do. They do. Anyway. Okay.

So our guest is truly a fantastic actor, comedian, writer. And is currently, currently in a film that you can see. You can see this movie, Marcel the Shell with Shoes On. Marcel the Shell with Shoes On. And you can see it in the theaters. shell with shoes on marcel the shell with shoes on and you can see it in the theaters true and we happened to see it and it was a thrilling absolutely i mean joel can booster doesn't like it when we describe when anyone describes the film fire island as cute but i was watching it and i was just like marcel is the most adorable creature that's ever lived and everything that marcel says touches the heart but adorable creature that's ever lived and everything that Marcel says

touches the heart. But the way that this was done was so inventive and great and I have just so many questions and compliments about this but also so much else that our guest has done. Obviously one of the best films ever, Obvious Child. I always think

about their performance as Tally Shiffrin in Girls. Tally Schifrin, who truly one of the girls characters who like has an amazing arc from the first time you meet her. Yes, and important in Hannah's journey. Absolutely. Anyway, we just love her so much. We've loved her for so long. What else do you have to say? I was just gonna say never forget publicity. Publicity, legendary. long what else do you have to say i was just gonna say never forget publicity publicity legendary like truly i mean this is one of the greatest and i've i i was i'm just i was so excited to meet her and i'm so excited to have her on the pod me too um oh and something happened

to her on the plane from um on her plane to new york city that she told me about that i would i would love to get into with her okay okay i love. I love a plane. Put a pin in that, but please welcome. Jenny. It was so hard to not, I guess I could have muted this whole time, but I just was first. I was laughing about what, how you got sick from,

from what you ate. Oh my gosh. There are so many things to say. And then the jobs jobs i just can't understand i don't understand the imagineer thing at all i think it seems really stressful and i yeah because i think people think you're just thinking up like roller coaster ideas or movie ideas but i bet the culture in there is actually probably like intense maybe i don't know i don't like it might be more than meets the eye like many things yeah i that's right and then there's a story there your compliments and i also think it

is you know like stunning in a good way to hear people's first impressions um i mean i i like it even if they were like wrong or you know like they're not flattering although I hopefully I'm not going to run into that but I guess maybe someone would be like I thought you were stupid and rude now you look so terrible but wow the only I will

say like I don't think you're going to run into that because I think the movie is just so it's just so wonderful. It's so good. Who would want to poke a hole in it or whatever? But I feel like there's maybe more room for an obliquely incorrect or unflattering piece of feedback for Fire Island. But the only negative comment I got in person about the movie was in P-Town for the festival. Really? What were, do you mind

sharing what it was? This, this, this person sort of, this was right after, this was, okay, so Jenny and I did this, received this, this Next Wave Award. It was a huge honor. We did this little talkback with Judy Gold, who's a legend. And then afterwards, on the way back, on the way out of that, after you and I,

after we all parted ways, someone stopped me and said, Bowen, congrats on the movie. Started out nice. I was like, thank you so much. And then she said, now why'd you have to make lesbians look so disgusting in that? What? For what? And then I was like,

oh, I don't think we did. And then all I could do was just walk away because like I was with Matt and then Olivia and Kara our managers were there and they just kind of like kept shoveling us along but I was like it was a little jarring and then the happy ending is afterwards

we went out later that night for dinner and then that same person stopped us and went Bowen I'm sorry about that comment early i don't know what i was like oh no don't worry about it and so but that is truly and and it's a blessing that like the only negative in-person critique that i've gotten on the movie which is about something that i had nothing to do with and and also i don't know it rounded out into something lovely by the end yeah people I mean it is you know this

is a crazy story but I don't know if you remember that there was a person sitting in the front row yeah that they were like like it was you know an older an older woman and and um she tried to ask a question but just could not do it she just had a lot to say and and she had a lot to say and Judy was kind of like getting on her about it about it. Judy started screaming into the microphone ask a question, ask a question. And this lady was like, she was kind of just riding her own spaceship into

infinity. She was just doing her thing and totally harmless, whatever. So last week I get a call from my mom and she's like, because my parents were there, as you know, you met them. You guys both met them. Oh, yes, they were lovely.

My mom's like, Jenny, you know that lady that was sitting in the front row of the P-Town thing? And I was like, yeah, of course I remember that. Like that was, you know, that that is a that memory is like in a little frame in my mind. I remember that. She's like, she called the house. Oh my God. Called my parents at their home, uh, at the home of Nancy and Ron Slate. And this, and I, and apparently what she said was, I have, I have an idea.

I have an important idea for Jenny's career. Oh my God. And did, do we know what that idea was? They had to hear it out. Like I have told my parents, like, please,

if somebody calls for me, it's, it's just not legit. Like if they need to find me, they, they really, they know how, and this just,

it just, you can't really open that up and so i've just been like you know you're just gonna have to say i can't help you or whatever but then my dad like they can't why is it so hard to just follow a simple instruction i just don't get that and my parents are specifically bad like if i'm like guys could you just wake me up by 8 15 my mom's like got it and then i wake up it's like 8 27 and i'm like why didn't you wake me up also i'm 40 you're like why are your parents waking you up but anyway apparently my dad went on like a long-winded thing and was like

oh yeah uh listen um i actually have a lot to do today i have to go to the dump and the mailbox and i can't like truly oh yeah my dad go to the dump and the mailbox. The dump? Oh, yeah. My dad goes to the dump every day. Yeah. All dads go to the dump every day is what I'm learning. Anyway, that was a great trip. I didn't hear the idea. Okay.

But there's something about that woman and about a lot of people in the way that they ensnare you. Yeah. that they in the way that they ensnare you right it's literally like they like you're walking through a forest and then they're this snare this root that catches your foot and you just get stuck there for a little bit and that's that's the vibe i got from her at the thing oh yeah and you know that if you're i mean some people i guess if they're if they're like a as you say like a public facing person or whatever and and someone comes up to them they're like they have their boundaries and they know what to do but like i'm just the same as i've always been i don't really want to hurt anyone's feelings and i i should be sort of tougher or something it's not interested in it i don't really want someone to be like she was really unkind you know

like right which is bad because people can really use that as a threat but like i don't want to like shit on some lady who like was so excited and like energized that she literally forgot to ask a question sure i didn't i didn't mind her really it's fine she was excited i mean something that something that we're encountering bowen and i have now we we after the provincetown thing we traveled so much like we went down to the bahamas to go do the view oh wow what and yeah so we were on the view what was what be there they were all there it was their 25th anniversary so we went down to go do the view in the bahamas and that was where they were celebrating it etc and by the way this was the day after roe v wade was overturned so they were celebrating it etc and by the way this was the day after Roe v. Wade

was overturned so they were discussing it like with like tiki drinks in front of them and like sunglasses on and like Bahama shirts unexpected setting yeah it was not it was I don't think where they wanted to be when this happened but you know we all hoped it wouldn't happen at all but there they were and so

we were there doing it and after we taped the segment we were like enjoying like the pool and like you know because we were we were down there and this girl sort of ran up to bowen and made a noise sort of like this and like sten started like feeling her own tits like i've never seen her thing her yeah her tick was to like press her boobs together yeah in excitement and then she was like can i can i just follow you guys and we were like no and no i'm like you i'm like you jenny like i don't feel like i can never me yeah i can't shut someone down like that not not just flat out like, no, I'm not doing this right now.

But this person was like, really like I had never seen a reaction like this. And so we did have to just sort of be like, no, we're on vacation. No, like, please, like, you can't take a picture. She goes, can I just take a picture of him? Not with him, of him. And we were like no and then like she so she had to go away but like with a person like that you did have to be like the answer is a hard no exclamation point get out i mean it's it's it's weird but it's it's just it's weird

oh this was the thing that i wanted to ask about in terms of what happened on this flight to New York. Okay. You told me that you spilled a Bloody Mary in your purse. Oh, oh my God. Also, this reminds me. Okay, sorry. So no, go ahead, go ahead. No, no, no, that's all. I'm just putting that there.

What happened? What did it remind you of? Well, it also reminded me that while I was at my parents' house this weekend, that my dad was like i couldn't bring my award with me they were like it was like a big award and like a large in like a shoe boxy sort of box like a big box that was big and um and uh my so i was like dad will you take this for me and i'll come get it you know when bow and yang on it wait wait oh but at least the box

my word is behind me and it says my name so you should have your your maybe they said oh yeah well anyway yeah i didn't open it uh yeah i was like okay um i just put it in my bag but anyway so what happened was that i i went to meet my husband and my baby in nantucket and um and then like something happened that island is like almost always covered in fog like you actually really can't get a flight out to it so anyway i was stuck in the airport to then get to new york city and it just took forever and and ever. And they wouldn't let us out to go to the bar, which like increased my appetite for a cocktail. Like, you know, just I really am one of those people. It's like you say, I can't have it. I just really, really want it.

I mean, you know, my mom like really restricted TV and soda when we were younger. And now like I will just watch a commercial for plaque psoriasis like it's like baryshnikov footage like i just am i'm like i just like my mouth hangs open i always want soda i very rarely have it but like i would you know whatever anyway so by the time i got on the plane i was like oh fuck it i'm doing this and i got a bloody mary and i, and it was like a very rocky, very brief flight and I was wearing my mask. And also I can't really tell where I fall in the culture. Like maybe people like know me, maybe they don't. It's a very mixed bag. I, you know, I really weave through, weave through my reality. Like I, like, I just can't tell what's going on like what kind of impact am

i making consistently i don't i don't know that there is one so i was like i'm just a stranger on the plane i was watching this kid across from me was clearly 15 years old somehow ended up in the like first class section of the plane which i was lucky enough to be in and this flight attendant is like can i get your company and he's like is it free and i'm like you are not you are a child and he's like can i uh can i get a rum and coke oh my god and so i'm like if this baby literally is doing this and i'm not gonna say anything i'm gonna ask for like two of the little bottles of vodka because i'm getting picked up at the whatever so i like i for some reason because a child did something this makes no sense

get like a stronger bloody mary i dump it in i dump it the the two vodkas into the bloody mary mix oh my gosh i take a huge gulp of it i am immediately like advanced buzzed like i'm not i'm not like hey what time does it fly land but i'm like i'm like weirdly like kind of like my mouth feels soft and i'm like i know that if somebody were to talk to me i probably would have like trouble enunciating and something like that you know your functions were deteriorating yeah oh yeah so and it was like it happened so quickly and so then we hit a bump and i spilled the in like the whole half that was left because i just i took in like half as if i'd been hit by a wave of seawater like i just took it in and then and then it and then the rest of it went into my purse where there's like my journal and my you know i had a little it was just like all

this stuff and it's like it's like you know my favorite purse for traveling that's like kind of like an open tote a leather tote and it just is like it just completely coats the inside of my person i'm like this is so nasty and all of a sudden i'm like this drink smells like salsa like this is so gross i smell like it my bag does and then this flight thing comes over she's like oh my god and she brings me a bunch of napkins that I put into my purse like sopping it up sopping it up like pieces of bread almost and then

and then I'm like I'm so sorry I am so sorry this is um this is so crazy like I am really really really sorry that I did this and then she's like it's okay and then she comes through in the trash cart and i go oh thank you so much and i take my big big like bundle of like yeah my wad of um of bloody mary soaked cocktail napkins and go thank you so much

and i go to throw it in her cart like she's like hon i'll take it and i'm like no no absolutely not i go to throw it like i'm just gonna air jordan this into the into this trash bag and i throw them all over the aisle of the airplane and it was such so much. And then she was like, oh, okay. And then she was like, no, please don't get up. And so then she cleaned it up and put it in the thing. And I was like, well, this is really embarrassing. But at least I like, you know, basically only took my mask off one time to take my huge gulp. And nobody knows that this happened. And then when we were getting off the plane, she was like, she was like, it was really nice to meet you.

I really enjoy your work. And I was like, she's the one person there. And also probably the 15 year old you look over. He's like really dignified, like sipping his rum and coke. Oh, for sure. Sipping it all like very tastefully tiny sips, like very controlled. It sucked. I was so embarrassed and like messed up and it just it like it all

happened so quickly but yeah the purse is retired now do you feel that bloody marys are ruined for you now or will you continue to slurp them it will take more than that yeah yeah i love my bm oh i love a bm i love a good spicy bm i love it. There used to be a place in Brooklyn when my friends and I had our stand-up show there that would put a whole pickle spear. Yeah, for Big Terrific. A whole pickle spear. I love a pickle spear. Just like dunked in as if it's a stirrer or something.

Yeah, yeah. What was the place called? It was called Sound Fix. It was before we were at the Cameo. It was called Sound Fix. It was before we were at the Cameo. It was called Sound Fix. It was like a record store with a big bar in the back. And they would have like McClure's Spicy Bloody Mary mix. Oh, I love that stuff.

I can't even talk. My mouth is filled with saliva again. Yum. I know. Probably up by where you are now, you can get a really good interesting Bloody Mary too. I say interesting. They're always putting like a crab claw in it though. You're like oh

yeah i'm interested in that as a garnish where i used i used i worked in seafood restaurants for like 10 years i'm from long island and i started as a bus boy at a at a restaurant called nicky's on the bay and then i worked all through brooklyn i worked at this place called brooklyn crab and red hook oh yeah yeah do you know that place oh no i'm thinking of green point lobster green point lobster yeah sorry sorry the sister restaurant but i used to live on henry streets Do you know that place? Oh, no. I'm thinking of Greenpoint Lobster. Greenpoint Lobster. Sorry, sorry. The sister restaurant. But I used to live on Henry Street.

I used to live near there. But anyway. Oh, that's so funny. You say Henry Street. I saw a funny girl two days ago, and they make a big to-do of Henry Street. Oh, yeah, they do. She lives on Henry Street. Yes, they do.

I forgot that. Yeah. But we used to do an oyster as a garnish. Whoa. Which is a a garnish. Whoa. Which is a real flex. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, I would prefer that.

I'm allergic to oysters. If I weren't, I would prefer that over the crab claw. You're allergic to oysters. Yeah. That's a Massachusetts tragedy. That really is. I hate it. It sucks so much.

It's like everything I would enjoy in a food just like a briny a briny nothing that's like just for luxury yeah a briny nothing that's just for luxury title of app the real housewives of new york city are back for another bite of the Big Apple. Look who it is. Joined by elite new friends. Rebecca Minkoff. Have you ever heard of her? But things could change in a New York Minute.

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And this is Camilla Luddington. And we have a new podcast, Call It What It Is. You may know us from Graceland Memorial, but did you know that we are actually besties in real life? And as all besties do, we navigate the highs and lows of life together. And what does that look like? A thousand pep talks, a million I've got yous, some very urgent I'm coming over's. Because I don't know, let's face it, life can get even crazier than a season finale of Grey's Anatomy. And now here we are opening up the friendship circle. To you. Someone's cheating? We've got you on that. In-laws are in-lying?

Let's get into it. Toxic friendship? Air it out. We're on your side to help you with your concerns. Talk about ours. And every once in a while, bring on an awesome guest to get their take on the things that you bring us.

While we may be unlicensed to advise, we're going to do it anyway. Listen to Call It What It Is on the iHeartRadio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts i can relate to being restricted of tv didn't grow up with cable parents never let me drink soda now i can't live without either and so do you think you're gonna are you you're probably gonna have to restrict some things for

ida for your baby right yes yeah oh no i mean she's not we don't let her like watch tv at all and i think it'll come in very purposeful moments but we also don't have a tv because we're like you know we just watch things on our computer we don't have an actual tv because we're really not we're really not tv or car people like we have old computers and we have like a really shitty subaru filled with garbage and sand and that i actually hate oh what sand in the car just garbage in the car like yeah but it happens so gross and um my whole family this weekend was like, then clean the car. And I was trying to explain to them, like, it's gone too far.

There's nothing we can do. Point of no return. Yeah. You guys feel that way? I mean, Matt, you feel that way about your car? Oh, no. There are certain points where it's just like, I'll have to have a friend be like,

honey, you have a problem. Yeah. It's like someone has to step in here like it's usually greta our friend greta who's usually like hey i just and she'll put her hand on my shoulder and she'll just say i just want to say it's okay but we have to stop and we have like we we you have to stop and then i will just sort of like sift through like the i don't know paper sometimes i will be honest with you parking tickets that i like just like i i'm a parking ticket sort of i'm like i'm like they stick to me it's it's wild

but they they do end up in my car and then i pay them but all in once like like i'll accumulate them over three months and then i'll pay them but they're they're cans um like you know wrappers for things like straw wrappers i almost think we shouldn't we shouldn't put wrappers on straws at all that's the way especially not a paper straw it's like if we're doing paper straws right which i hate which we hate but we understand why we hate it but we understand why like many things yeah um but why would you put a paper wrapper over a paper straw because the wrapper then you're just going to toss away and then that's garbage

so if we're trying to eliminate waste and be good for the environment don't put the paper straw in a paper wrapper no I just can't deal with it the entire thing but then now they have a cup that's like a sippy cup for adults where you don't even have a straw.

Right. For iced coffee. That really bums me out. I think I'd rather the weird paper straw. I just can't believe a scientist hasn't invented some other thing. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I like is the metal straws.

Yeah. I like bringing my own metal straw around like that feels like a new chic accessory like phone wallet keys metal straw oh someone's just gonna get their thigh stabbed by their own metal straw oh you're right i didn't think of it as a weapon what's the movie where kevin bacon had had like a pencil in his pants and he's got his one of his testicles stabbed. Do you know what I'm talking about? I don't know. What is this?

Someone will know. One of your listeners will know. There's like a there's a movie where Kevin Bacon has like an injury to his his character does has an injury to his ball sack. And like it comes out or he's like, you ruin my ball. The other person's like, you ruined my ball or whatever. And the other person's like, why were you playing basketball with a pencil in your pocket?

Okay. So I just want to say that I just Googled the words, Kevin Bacon, pencil balls. And here's what popped up. A daily mail article that says 51, 51, murdering, mutilating a man.

The 51 year old has been charged with the murder and mutilation of Kevin Bacon, 25. Oh no. So there was, this is a whole different situation, mutilating a man the 51 year old has been charged with the murder and mutilation of kevin bacon 25 oh no so there was this is a whole different situation but someone was named kevin bacon i think this is a dream no guys it's real someone will know that it's real i i just i hope someone writes in or or something but it is it's not like um picture perfect i don't think with uh with jennifer anderson oh i love picture i love that movie so much but um it's not like Picture Perfect, I don't think, with Jennifer Aniston. Oh, I love Picture Perfect. I love that movie so much.

But it's something like that. Wow. It's like... I can't... It's not pulling up. Wait, hold on. Speaking of movies, are you sick of talking about Marcel yet? Are you all pressed out?

No, not at all. Okay. It's weird. It's really nice to talk about it, I think. Because also, we waited seven years, and I felt like during that time I couldn to talk about it i think because also we waited seven years and i felt like during that time i couldn't talk about it so now i'm like i mean how long did you see it as a film how long yeah like like for like like from from from where it started when you released it as a short to where it was like 12 12 years ago so then at what point did

you think you and dean think let's actually actualize this as a feature which it had to be much later it was a couple years later it was like we we made the first short just on a whim for fun for like a totally other purpose just to kind of like make a thing um dean said that he would like make a short video for his friend's show and so we just made it for that but we never intended to put it online and then somebody like wanted to send it to their mom so we did and it became like quote unquote viral um and that was kind of early for that experience to happen um and and so then that was just like that and and it was kind of confusing you know like sometimes you really don't know, or at least for me, I don't understand what like offering is being placed at my feet.

You know, like I truly think a lot about those like Greek myths where like Zeus comes to the door, but it's disguised as a beggar and someone's like, I can't or whatever. And it's like, like, like it's like the wise person that lets them in or like the start of Beauty and the Beast, of course. But it's like at the time I was like, I don't know. This is like just a thing that we did. What I'm trying to focus on is to, like, redeem myself after, like, you know, like being fired from SNL or something like that. I just didn't see that what was worth something was like there in terms of my own experience not even just like making a movie but so like we kind of just had this thing happen to us for a while and we had other goals um in our in each of our careers i think like i just really really wanted to be an actor i i always

did and um at the time the show girls was like being cast and i like went in a bunch of times for the role of morning and like kind of thought maybe I'd get it and like didn't and I remember just like I don't know I've forgotten about Marcel like I was just like what the what what what am I gonna do um how am I gonna get a job and then Dean and I moved to LA um in the winter of I think 2012 so that was even like so two more years had passed and we made two kids books um because that was like fun and relaxing in a way and then once we were in LA and like the conversation just naturally kind of came up I feel like with our agents or something it was like would you like to do something more with this and then we started to talk about like should it be a tv show or or maybe a movie and

I first thought a tv show I think Dean and movie and i first thought a tv show i think dean and i thought that first and that the people we were meeting with it just like seemed like it wouldn't be fun um and it wouldn't be what we wanted it to be um and so eventually liz holm who produced our movie and created the story with us and produced obvious child um and my special on netflix and the movie landline, which she co-wrote I've worked with her a million times now. And she's one of my closest friends. She brought us to the people that fully funded our,

our film. Um, it was like a nonprofit arts grant that we got to make it. Yeah. Incredible. That's amazing. Because I, I imagine the thing that like kind of blows me away about the

movie is that it's like it's the perfect expansion of the shorts and probably the book for that matter because the book is like just something really light on its feet and then but like i think the whole thing gets sort of carried over into the film where it's not like you guys did like a marcel's big adventure into the world you know it's like you guys did like a Marcel's big adventure into the world you know it's like you know like you kept it in the house you gave the house this backstory I don't know

it's just and then and then you and you all the meta narratives about like him going quote unquote viral like are all like yeah perfectly tent pulled in the film in a way that I'm like God I can't imagine what it must have been like

between you and Dean and Liz and Nick Paley who wrote The Treatment like for that to be like a seven year process and for you guys to like try and because there's always about like some forecasting when you're starting out you're like, what's it

going to be like in seven years? Like, what will this movie, like, release into the world as, you know? Like, that's, there's just, I don't know. You guys, I think you guys just, like, calibrated it so well. And you know what the weirdest part of that is? What you're saying is that, like, I mean, I don't

tend to do a lot of that, like, forecasting about, I mean, now I do forecasting about the world because, like, in mean, I don't, I don't tend to do a lot of that, like forecasting about, I mean, now I do forecasting about the world because like in the last few years, so much has changed about what I thought was like just steady, um, movement in one direction has reversed. And, um, and that also includes, I think the entertainment industry that I'm like, Oh, I used to work one way and now I'm like not exactly sure how it works now and um but i did not look like seven years into the future or think it would take seven years and be like what will it be but the weirdest thing was that i was like you know i'll probably be the same that i was when

we started um when we started to make this movie and actually i'm i mean i am myself i'm my same personality and everything but I'm fairly different. And lots of different things have happened. Like, you know, when Dean and I started to write the treatment, like, we were still married. You know, like, it hasn't even been a decade. And I'm, like, married to someone else now, you know, and I have a baby. And, like, and, you know, Dean has his own partner and his life and like and everything's okay and like it's just different it's it's it's like so different than when i thought i it would be

but what i like about the story is that like it stands like right next to the truth um but doesn't try to like be the truth you know and in that, we're like allowed to change because, and that's like the weird beauty of the project. I think that probably sounds like very vague, but there's a lot of like, of true things that happen to us emotionally that are in that movie. And it sounds like I'm being so like, sort of like super silly. It's in a way about like, or like, like, so stuck up about my own movie that's, like, about a shell, but I guess you can put your emotion, like, in anything, and that's, like, where I put it, you know?

But I don't know. Well, it's like when Matt was saying that it was, like, a cute movie, which it is, it's, like, that also doesn't belie the fact that it's, like, about this little miniature thing, this shell, but that, like, it's, he the shell, but that like, it's,

he's this container for like all these huge concepts and that like this, and that he is kind of like put off by the scale of things himself, like the scale of the world or whatever. But then like, um, what was I going to say? Oh, that like,

I told, I told you in P-10, I was like, it feels like a Ghibli film. It feels like a Studio Ghibli film, but like live action and stop motion. And then I think what you're saying about like the place you are now, the place Dean is now, it's like the movie is about like possibility. It's about like, it's about like, it's after, it's not just one couple that breaks up. It's two couples that break up that sort of like set these things in motion. I don't know. It it's so good jenny i haven't been able to stop thinking about it thank you something i was thinking is like i would imagine that a large part of also its virality in the very

beginning in terms of the youtube video is that um people probably did show it to their kids but what i really like about this movie is that and probably when you did go out to pitch it and like we're exploring the idea of making it a television show probably a lot of people in a in a sort of understandable yet first thought way we're like well this is a kid's thing you know what i mean it's a shell he's adorable like you know he's got this cute face like the world is and he's small in a house like this is for kids and yet i think that this movie like obviously has adult themes and yet i think because it doesn't try to be for children it ends up being for everyone and i actually think that kids could enjoy this movie because

it reminds me of like you know the way that way that like, you know, Toy Story is an animated movie, but the themes are extremely universal. Like, whereas adults are going to watch it and be like, oh, I'm actually surprised by how much I enjoy this. Like people who enjoy your work and know you are going to watch this and they're going to understand it and get it and be moved by it. But also like this is for everyone. I think it doesn't try to pander to any one type of person. And I think that universality actually, and the movie is so specific, yet it is so for everyone because it's understandable on an emotional level. And so therefore,

I think your movie gets something right, which I think more things would, would, would heed, which is, you know, you don't have to like write at a person that's watching it you know what i mean it's like yeah you've really explored the specific experience of this shell

living in the real world you know to the point where like he even experiences like the meta thing of your own video going viral and it's in that you know there's a universality in the specificity is i guess what i'm saying that makes it for everyone and i could see literally all ages and all experiences enjoying it and probably they already are oh thank you i mean i think that i think kids do like it like we you know sort of like looked into that and and they they do but i think like what this experience has made me interested in is like how do you create create like a contained piece of something like a like a creative thing and make it um similar to like

the delights and hospitality that you find in like a public space that's for everyone like an aquarium or the botanical gardens or you know public pool like how do you make it be like this um you know not to be pretentious but like this art is an environment and like i think it's really important um that we that we have that and and like i think you know like i always loved the descriptions of like why um i think it was olmstead but made the made central park like what it was um like that it was like you know supposed to be like a place for everyone and like of course i don't know like he probably was like a horrible like you can't like there's just like no way to yeah look back and be like oh god and god um but i i've always like been into um you know like how do you make a place that

not everybody has to be seeing or doing the same thing at once but like it is it is actually a hundred percent for the end of each individual that's in there and um it doesn't it doesn't like freak you out that not everybody's seeing or treasuring the same thing. And I just like that a lot. I really, really do. And I think also there are two what I feel are prominent instincts right now. One is the psych know like make sure that we know exactly what everything is like i want to know where every penis is and every vagina and i don't want there to be like a hidden one and like you know don't don't like just basically like everything that's like happening in florida or whatever like it's just like like tell us what it is don't change what anything

means like what what it meant to my grandfather i needed to like still mean that otherwise i'm just gonna just collapse and then there's like the like another point of view that's like uh make there be more like what is another example of more what is another example of of like escalating of just like yeah like just open it up open it up it clearly doesn't work to be so um whatever like oversimplified and um i i think i just think that that also can happen with making work like for either like oh it's comedy you can't just like make a comedy anymore like is it a comedy for women like it it's just like so it feels so hard to make anything sort of unless you can tell people like exactly who it's for and that it was um i don't feel like everybody trusted us when dean and i said

it's it's legitimately for everyone it is like we really really think it is and luckily cinder reach who funded our film understood that and luckily a24 really gets that and has supported that kind of like, you know, this thing is for everyone. I mean, I hope it can be. It is. Absolutely. I mean, that's the thing is it's just like it's a specific thing. And Marcel the shell with shoes on, you'd be like, if you didn't know what it was and you saw what it was you'd be like oh that looks odd and then when you watch it it's actually quite a simple story about finding your family you know what i mean and not wanting change being afraid of change i mean that is a universal

story it's and also he's been through trauma like yeah you know like that's really he's afraid because he knows what it's like to experience loss and he feels that loss coming in in both directions and he's got to face it and i also want to say the relationship with the grandmother and isabella rossolini is so good and i will say my favorite line reading in the whole thing is when they're being interviewed and they're talking about the fact that they love 60 minutes and she just goes leslie show and and and marcel's like oh well yeah she calls it the leslie show like she loves leslie stall and the fact that leslie stall becomes this thing in the movie and even when leslie comes in and they're like how was the flight she's like long like i was just like it's just so funny to me like that

leslie stall gets this moment i i'm i love that yeah i do too and i love how like relaxed she was and that she just came on in and did it and um i just i just love it i i like really like when newscasters are in environments that are like created but they're still themselves like have you guys seen i'm sure you have but kate berlantz and john early's new special yeah where they have meredith fiera like it's so i mean everything about their special is excellent and like it's just like truly like i want to like eat it like it is eat it like it's delectable it's wonderful they're they're just it's so great and the meredith viera thing like she's completely done yeah she gets it

some of these people are really funny like meredith you can get like she's like really funny we met hoda and jenna and from the today show and they're funny hoda's so nice yeah she's like really really i mean not that the other one isn't i'm just saying hoda's the one that i've like happened to me yeah yeah um like more than once or something and she's just so nice and like beautiful like wow she's a star she she definitely carries the light like and she looks at you she looks at you when you're talking and she has this way of making it seem like god what you're saying is interesting and it's funny yeah she shakes her head just enough when she's talking she's like wow yeah just like and i'm gonna remember this forever yeah some people are so good at the nuances in their jobs that you wouldn't notice when you're just watching

tv but then like once you realize like if you for example, like the inner workings of the Today Show, that's crazy. Like it is like they're just cranking it out. And it is it is so early in there, like a million things in there switch. Like I was just on it a couple of weeks ago and the segment before me was a tote bag filled with wine, which is actually. And then I also was a tote bag filled with wine. But but like, you know, they're just cranking it out and then the people that can make it you know they really can still be tuned in and focused and not be like fake about it like you know they're just like wow wow i actually also feel that way about david attenborough and his introductions yeah the the morning show the morning show thing is like

they they tackle such disparity in their subjects like oh my god well uh and that was of course a segment on sentient tornadoes they're killer tornadoes that can think and now we have matt rogers and donyang thank you so much coming up in the studio we're gonna have a turtle race these are two of tallahassee's fastest turtles and we're gonna see which one wins and then after that of course marcia gay harden it's just like what is going what is the through line here but they do it all at the same quality it is it's like a county fair it really is it's like jelly how many jelly beans are in the jar plus you know there's a new pig and like it's like, what? You guys have everything here. The day I was on it,

there was this bag of wine, but also there was the dog who had won the Westminster Dog Show. What a celebrity. I just couldn't believe how big its head was. What type of dog had won this year? It was the Bloodhound. That was big news that the Bloodhound won. He was a star. She was like a bloodhound. What type of dog had won this year? It was a bloodhound.

Oh yeah, that was big news that the bloodhound won. He was a star. He was adorable. Yeah, it was so sweet. And I just was like, I took a picture with the dog. When we were there, we were leaving and Bryce Dallas Howard and Dewanda Wise from Jurassic World

were coming on. And we're shuffling out from our segment. We just played like a silly game with them. And the two of us look at the two of them. And they're so gorgeous. And literally, they were like, oh, we're so excited for your movie. And we were just like to them, yeah, we're so excited for your movie too. Jurassic World.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God. I was like, what are we all too. Jurassic World. Yeah. Oh my God. I was like, what are we all doing here? Yeah. Yeah. It just takes it all. It just takes it all in.

And yeah. And it's there every morning. The Today Show. I mean, case in point, it's Roe v. Wade was overturned on the Bahamas beach. You know what I mean? It's just, that's what it is. I have a question about, well, Matt brought up Isabella. How did you guys capture that? Like, with the line, like,

Leslie's show. Like, how was that audio captured? Because I know a lot of the Marcel lines were, like, improvised and then scripted and then improvised, and then sort of, there was just this, like, lovely process of, like,

getting it down. But, like, in terms of, like, being, were you in the room with, in the booth with Isab booth with Isabella yeah well we were never in a booth we recorded all like natural sound as natural as possible or like uh so like when we were in Nana Connie's garden we were at Isabella's farm actually like we truly like when I say we like stand next to the truth we really did put like as much true things as we could into something that is ultimately like faith or created or whatever but um so Isabella and I like you know Dean and Nick would sometimes like come back after uh like something that had been improvised or or just realizing there's like a kind of a hole in a conversation and like

come with a few lines and be like, this is this. And then Isabella and I would maybe record that. And then we would improvise off of that. And, and just, you know, we never rehearsed.

We just kind of like discussed what was important about the scene. And there is just so, there's also like so many Isabellaella improvs it it's not doesn't didn't feel to me like improv when you're like like i was in the improv group in college you know and you like walk in and you're like i'm the lady who brought the stinky lunch or whatever that's a setup or something you know you guys don't even you know that you know that i see the world like has anyone seen my goddamn sandwich you know and like that's the whole scene like this was more like you're just more sitting in these characters

oh my gosh let me just digress for one second to say i love a gentle prank i don't like yeah pranks like likeanks. Like insane ones. I think they're so weird. And I think pranksters are so weird. But I love a gentle one. Like I move my dad's sandwich. Sometimes like my dad will make a sandwich and he goes like get a drink and I move it. So funny.

That's neutral evil. Hard pranks are chaotic evil. Right, right, right. Yeah, it's just sort of bewilderment or like a slight embarrassment that also makes you feel um like you are special so one thing i love to do to my husband just in terms of my lunch or a sandwich or whatever is that what now that you know we can have the windows open in massachusetts it's the summer whatever so we're driving and every time we're kind of at a stoplight but about to move so we won't have to sit there for a long time, but I just go, why did you eat my lunch?

I wanted my lunch. And now you ate the whole thing. My sandwich, my chips, my drink, the pickles. I have nothing. And I'm so hungry.

And I just go on and on. And it is, I mean, it is truly so funny because it's so clear and everybody looks they always look and one time i did it right before the drawbridge went up in the town where we lived so then we were there and it was like oh no this is actually very embarrassing but you had to keep going anyway um we would just isabella and i would just be like having a conversation that's what that was and then like suddenly she just become more comfortable with this made-up thing that dean and i and nick really only know about like you know she she would have read the whole treatment

but you know you would we would remind her like this is where we are in the story and we got lots of great improv like that and then i also think dean and nick got really good at writing to her accent and the way that she uh you know she speaks italian as her you know like her first language and so she makes up some like goofs that are really funny and um like he she even says like she means to say i had to teach myself how to read and she says like i had to talk to myself how to read and it's like so like you know my own grandmother has an accent that and she has lots i had to talk to myself how to read and it's like so like beautiful my own grandmother has an accent that and she has lots of mistakes like that and it's like yeah

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And there are lots of little like ding-dongs hanging off of it but there was a i guess you would call it a sketch or a scene or whatever on sesame street where maria and luis like dance like ballroom dancing and bob is dressed as atlas um and it's just really really fancy and um you know these also were people that i knew could be funny and i just like really loved the ability to see them just as sort of like ginger rogers and fred astaire in a way and i just loved it and i was like you know how sesame street would like repeat stuff yes yeah um and be like oh god i hope that one comes on but but off of that you know are like it just was a lot of like um like carol burnett and annie how like i actually found her to be and ursula in the little mermaid like i loved people that were still attractive to me and they had like majorly defined style but they they weren't

necessarily the main character but maybe the villain or maybe just on the side like i also love bernadette peters and annie like how she just had all the necklaces and her tits and everything and i i just always liked and madeline khan um in like everything. But I really liked when I would be shown examples of people who were not just funny, but could also be a class act and unexpected.

Like while I loved, you know, like Uncle Buck starring John Candy, I really needed more than that. And i didn't identify with that at all right but when i saw like peewee and how he always had his like sweet little gray suit on and looked the same way and had like his little bit of he always sort of had like almost orangey lipstick um like you know like he had like kind of like he had a face like yeah he really had like makeup on and i just liked those examples because i always um really wanted to dress up you know i still really enjoy that and when i do stand up i like to dress like it's a date and stuff like that and

yeah and so that and an album called classic crystal by the singer crystal gale i don't i don't like country music really at all i don't really it's not like my thing my sister loves it i am not super country but i love old school crystal gale classic and she had like a long long dark hair long nails and the picture for her on the back of the record she was like in what now is probably like you know what do they call that like prairie yeah yeah you know what i mean like like a cottage dress or something um with this insane cleavage and she was on a sitting on like a twin bed so even that is like a well-defined character but with the idea of glamour yeah yeah i completely get that it's because you know it i don't know it it is this idea of there is like an aspiration

to it you know what i mean because like you want to grow up and but you also want to be like funny like you don't want to you don't want to be everything you want to be something you know what i mean yeah for sure like funny and also have costumes um like be really like just like morticia adams you know like just really really in there and i always felt like the funniness is like what you're it for that's what fortune gives you that's like what you're you're blessed with if that's like your instinct it also i think comes with like pain and often shyness and doubt of course but then the costume is the prize that you get when you've been able to like um you know in a good way exploit your talent that you get that costume and you get like included in a production well like the yeah like oh sorry i

didn't mean i didn't i didn't cut you off i didn't know the costume is like the the container or like the the presentation literally and like in this like it's the first thing people see like that's why like i don't get too hung up on people who are like obsessed with aesthetics or anything or about the way they look like i get it's the it's it's aesthetics define how something is received in a way and for and all these examples I feel like it is pretty central to like the comedy or even with Maria and Louise it's like um I feel like they were like the only like couple on Sesame Street for like a long time, right? Like human couple? No, Susan and Gordon.

Susan and Gordon were a couple. And then I feel like Bob and Linda also fell in love. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Bob and Linda. That's like a very like 70s, 80s thing. After the 90s and onward, there aren't really human romances or even like Muppet romances on Sesame Street, right? For sure.

I don't know of any Muppet romances on Sesame Street, right? For sure. I don't know of any Muppet romances at all. There are like couples and companions, like Big Bird and Snuffy and obviously Bird and Ernie. But yeah, I mean, that is something that I honestly dream of doing is to have a show that is, again, sort of referring back to what i said before of like anybody can watch it like you don't have to be a stoner to enjoy a show for kids like it

could be for everyone but it is it is like maybe a show for children but where i could be like a human with puppets but have like a person who has a crush on you you know and like you know like have that be to happen to my character i think it's nice for kids to see um love unfold yeah yeah i yeah i honestly think like and whatever like i understand why the sort of influx of like disney films that are coming out now skip that part but i think it's actually kind of nice like to have a love story and it feels like like like people are so hell-bent on it being like no this character is an individual and she's smart and it's just like yes uh completely that can be true and she's also different and unique and it's just like okay we understand

but also like it's not bad to fall in love this is also a movie you know what i mean like everyone's watching it everyone understands that idea of like you know like an unrequited thing or a love that's unexpected or and i just feel like sometimes like when i when i watch these new like these new animated movies or which which are seemingly trying to be for everyone especially some of these disney ones are so heady. I don't know if you feel like that, like you guys, but like,

but sometimes I watch these newer ones and I'm like, wait, what's going on? Like, I know that I know that there's a theme, but like, where are the classic stories? Like where, where are the love stories?

Like I, I'm not seeing them. So I don't know if there's something very pure and nice about you saying a formative memory is watching these two just dance you know and look at each other and be in love love it yeah it sucks that like we've had to kind of quit um on love or something like romantic love because like patriarchy and like just like being so crazy weird heteronormative stuff has like made it just be like we're not doing that we're actually doing a thing about how to venture and like you know it's like okay like

just because ariel like literally gave away her voice so she could have legs and vagina like it doesn't mean we keep having to do that like we could stop you know we could just like find a different way to do it but um that's another thing that really i'm'm like, how do I, I love Little Mermaid. And now I'm just like, this is such a weird message to show my daughter. I don't know. But I love it. I think I'm just going to have to just get into the conversation. I think that's what it's about. Yeah, totally.

I think that's it. There's an asterisk to be put on the thing. And then, I don't know, know like my nieces are obsessed with Frozen and they understand that to be a movie about sisters and I'm like perfect they're smart enough to take away the right messages I don't know I feel like I have not internalized

too much about those movies especially when it comes to love I know this is a fantasy but you were also not a little girl watching it and so i i i understand like like we have a friend our friend sudi like was not explicitly not allowed to watch those films because she had like an immigrant iranian mother who saw it and was like no i know exactly what this is all these little girls have like this gorgeous like you know blonde hair

whatever like and i know what they're doing with jasmine they're trying to trick us like no like it's just it's not happening look at her waist look at the size of her eyes like the way she is drawn is crazy it's like yes that is all true but i don't know i think that there is also something to the fact that like it's just about a conversation you know what i mean it's just about like you know You know what I mean? It's just about understanding these things are what they are and that everything... I mean, then you can turn on a live-action movie and you're not going to escape the trappings

of the times they were made in either. I mean, the other night we were in the Fire Island and we tried to watch the movie Scary Movie, just the first parody. And it was so crazy, Jennyny how like every single joke is either so racist homophobic misogyny violence against women it there is no

almost no comedy that would that would be placed in a film today and we're watching like oh my god and then the other day um i do this other podcast called hbmx movie club and um i watched she's all that and i was like even this movie it's just like it's so crazy how like just like but he's gay is like a full it's like it's like a bring the house down barn burner punch line to the point where it's just like you you just can't show anything if if you're i actually think it's an opportunity you know what i mean yeah yeah this was made then in a time when you could say something like that but we've evolved we've evolved like i think it's like a worthwhile tool yeah i think so too and i also think you can't just be like well we're

not i mean there are some things that you're like that is really gross like or that's way too violent or whatever for a little kid and some of you're like i don't want that but like the little mermaid which has a lot of delight in it and great songs and it looks beautiful and under the sea is so fun to be just like under the ocean it's so weird to you know like be like i don't even think that i'm capable of discussing with my daughter when she's old enough to watch this like why some of this is awesome and like asking her like how do you feel about that deal that she makes yeah she's like i would make the deal too tomorrow yeah you're like oh god shit i remember as a little kid being like would would I make the deal? Like, you know, like I wanted to fall in love so badly and to have like boobs and stuff. And like,

I don't know. I, I think like, like culture will always like have an impact, but it's like the people that, especially if like you're a kid and you can have like even one adult, that's like cool to you and you trust and you feel attached to that. They're like,

this is actually like more complex than that. Let's discuss. And I think, you know, you cannot get to where you need to be. You need someone to tell you not to put a fork in your hair because that was what I was doing. I was using the jingle hopper.

I was like, Oh my God. With the shit in my hair. My mom was like, Oh Jesus. I spent my college years honking on a snarf flat. If you know what I mean. You're going to get food poisoning.

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Yeah. Okay. So this is when we move on to the incredible segment, Jenny, on our podcast called I Don't Think So, Honey. It is a 60-second segment that we do where we sort of rant and rave against something in pop culture um or culture at large whatever's really grinding your gears as they say when did they start saying that and when did they stop saying that grinding your gears bow like where did that come from and i i used it as an expression a lot when i described i think it's i

think it originates from um the movement. Really grind. Yeah. Grinds. The labor movement. Yeah. That's a good point. I actually, so I'm home right now and I actually asked my mother what her, I don't think so,

honey would be. And you know what she said? She said, well, I've been thinking about this. It's people feeding damn seagulls. Oh, so she's still, she,

and it's a thing with her Jenny's seagulls at the beach. So she's still, it's a thing with her, Jenny, seagulls at the beach, what she calls damn birds. They love my mom. They take her food. She has a war with the seagulls every time she goes down there. So I just wanted to let all the readers know this is still a problem

in Katrina Rogers' life. She's still at war with the seagulls when she goes down to field five. But I have a different one. I'll time you. This is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So, Honey. His time starts now. I Don't Think So, Honey, gay man.

I'm done. I'm over it. I don't want to see any of you anymore after this month. I don't want to smell you. I don't want to talk to you. I'm over it. I Don't Think So, so honey the things you say the things you do speaking of being down at the beach you all litter i was at the pines and the way that you all throw things everywhere it's so disgusting i'm not fucking any of you ever again i'm really

gonna work hard on heterosexuality i think it could be a good move for me not just in my life but in my career i think it would diversify me um shout out to all casting directors i am straight now consider uh for your consideration i guess they say um i don't think so honey gay men um i when i have sex with you i become oh um i don't think so honey gay men um it seems like we're all sort of dropping like dominoes these days i don't know what to say uh i don't think so honey gay. The pines were loud and crowded and I have trauma now from it. I don't want to talk about the Fire Island pines again a day in my life. I've talked about it

because of this movie, because of this vacation. I'm done with gay men and the pines. I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute. Oh my god. I'm over it. I'm done with them. Jenny, you can laugh. Okay, no, I didn't know. I was like, am I supposed to be on or not? She's friends with them. She's an ally.

She's an ally. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That wasn't me cuing you to like, why aren't you laughing? Her closest friend is a gay man. That's so true. I mean, I didn't know.

I was like, oh, is this supposed to be like clean audio? And so I was like leaning back and like flinching because I was like, oh. We're going to be loud for yours. Your closest friend is a gay man gay bleeper the most wonderful person he's the best he really is

well he's gay and should stay far away from me I'm done with him at least for the month of July I'm seriously going to hang out with only my sweet girlfriends that's it oh my god just one month Just one month. Just one month.

And then I'll, I'll come back. I really know, but you need, I won't even make it through July knowing me. A little palate cleanser. Well, listen,

Bo, are you ready? I'm ready. Oh, by the way, Gabe Lieben has one of the, I think made the first ever joke about the algorithm knowing you're gay. And now everyone,

now everyone's making that joke oh my algorithm knows i'm gay gabe liedman you're cashing in a check gabe liedman wrote yeah he had that joke forever ago and it would be like about how one of the one of the lines i remember from it is like that he's like pulling up his i mean now it honestly just is like oh yeah of course but like at the time it was like he's like I'm pulling up my Facebook page and on the side, it's like tank tops for sale. Tank tops for sale. Yeah, that was the best.

Tank tops for sale. I went on my Instagram and my Discover page, and I don't know what the algorithm thinks about me, but it's only pictures of Andrew Garfield. That's nice. It is only pictures of him. By the way, speaking of Instagram, I just picked up my phone to time you, Bo and Yang,

and it opened to the announcement of Lea Michele and Tova Feltsha. They are going to be doing... Tova Feltsha, she's amazing. And Lea. Yes. That's a great, great cast. Lea Michele as Fanny Bryce

and Tova Feltsha as Mrs. Bryce beginning on September 6th. Oh my god. That's a no-brainer. It's almost one of those things that happens. You're like, why didn't it already happen? Why didn't they already do that? I feel many are asking that very question. Were we saying for

a while, weren't people saying Lea Michele is like our could be our new dry sand? Yeah, that's what they were saying. And then I think that she stepped in it a couple times, but now she's going to get an opportunity to be Fanny Bryce, which she's been

auditioning for for a decade. I look forward to seeing it. Yeah. Me too. But Bowen Yang, not as much as I look forward to seeing your I Don't Think So Honey right now. Are you ready? Well, then Bowen Yang's I Don't as I look forward to seeing your I don't think so honey right now. Are you ready? Well then, Bowen Yang's I don't think so honey time starts now. I don't think so honey hotel room's

not already having toothpaste. Okay? Oh my God. How dare you? How dare you? I don't always need an iron. I don't always need a bathroom. I sure as hell don't need a Bible

in the drawer on the nightstand. What I do need is toothpaste and not the kind of toothpaste for when you call down to the front desk. They give you that little tube of chalk that's designed for the military. Okay. I need a Colgate, a Crest. I'll take one of those organic, disgustingly flavored toothpaste that lie to you and say they're peppermint, spearmint, when no, they just taste like nothing. I want premium toothpaste if I'm paying for something,

something a little bit, if I'm making a little bit of a splurge. Hotel rooms need to do this. This is a sequel to my I Don't Think So Honey about hotel rooms needing bigger trash cans. They also need toothpaste in the room, okay? I need toothpaste in the room

and then I'll never leave. I'll never leave. I'll pay you all the money in the room okay i need toothpaste in the room and then i will and then i'll never leave i'll never leave i'll pay you all the money in the world and that's one minute you're literally dead on and i also want to add to this hotel rooms i don't need the tv on when i walk in that's crazy when it's like hello miss miss late i'm like no you don't know me i don't think i think so i don't think so honey and also how about this if you're gonna have the tv on have the remote in a place where i can find it so i can turn it off i have to look all over the damn room for the damn goddamn remote like oh my god yeah you know what and i i mean i haven't i don't think so, about something that's pretty specific in my life, but just to piggyback on Bowen's, I think

it's weird now how they will not stock the mini fridge. I'm like, just why is this empty? It's like actually there's kind of nothing worse than the empty mini fridge. It's sort of like smelling a burp or something. It's like,

it's so shocking when you're like, look, I'll pay. It doesn't look right. like i'll i this is bad it's like it feels like it feels like a bad vibe like it's not good and it's like just put literally put like a coca-cola in here and charge me nine dollars and then i'll be like absolutely not i'm not paying nine, but I want the right to give myself a weird treat that I could get for $1.50 at the store in the lobby. I just don't

like it when they do that. It bursts the bubble. Yeah. I feel like, oh, I guess it is still the pandemic. You know what it is. I get that. It is. But I never go back. When I go into a hotel room and nothing is stocked, I'm like, well, I'm never coming back here. I'm never coming back.

That's why I maintain my stays at the Ace Hotel. And when I'm feeling fancy, the Bowery Hotel. Oh, yeah. Those are the girls. I love that. I like when a hotel is like, well, we actually left a chocolate bar out for you because we're so fancy that we like just let our chocolate be taken. You know, it's like, oh, OK, now I'm really on vacation. Well, OK, Jenny has a hard time in a couple of minutes.

So let's. Oh, that's true. That's true. Let's get to the I don't think so, honey. OK, this is Jenny. This is Jenny Slates. I don't think so honey okay okay this is jenny this is jenny slates i don't think so honey her time starts now i don't think so honey babies are flirting with you no they're not i really really don't like that when my daughter like just like smiles at a person and they're like oh she's a little flirt no no she's not actually don't sexualize my baby like and when they do it and they're like oh she's flirty she's flirty i want to be like yeah she's super fucking horny right now like she wants to find someone that's why she's doing that that's why she's smiling thanks for like stepping on her first instinct to just connect and be kind and immediately sexualizing her that just absolutely kills me like auntie's little flirt like shirts with that on it it's like no you don't don't do

that my baby's not flirting with you she's just nice you're lucky that she even smiled at you and now i have to take her away because you're so gross and adding on to that when i'm wearing her on my body the old white men that are like that what's comfortable it's like not for me and you've been carried around by culture your entire life that's really all i have to say and that's one minute that's excellent stunning and you said that you were you said that you wouldn't get the the patter or whatever come on this is also this as an addendum to piggyback off of your i don't think so honey yeah don't ever call a baby oh she's gonna be a heartbreaker when she grows up stop i hate that it's disgusting grip sometimes i get the like oh tell my wife i've fallen in love with another woman it's like cut it out baby what are you why do you need to do that why can't you just like the baby as a baby like don't rush

it but the heartbreaker thing the heart would you say that no exactly how about this hey i like the way your baby is smiling yeah how about just that baby with its new smile because it's a year and a half old cute new baby baby it's new it's new in life hey nice new baby yeah hey there's your baby okay from across the room say i appreciate the fact you have a baby that's all period that's it and no i don't want to wear you on my body you know what i mean that is so the implications there are psychotic and then my husband was telling me that when he wears art when he would wear our daughter around that that actually that men would say that to him as well like that looks comfortable and then he was like you think it would be comfortable like you straddling my chest to be

on me i mean okay i mean okay okay i do want to wear a shirt now that says Auntie's Little Flirt, though. I just can't. I even have sort of a thing when babies wear skulls and camo. I'm like, what? Why? It's not camo. Oh, you're like a tough baby. You're a war baby. This baby's seen it all.

Yeah, I mean, you know, in the Marcel movie, there's just a rant that i just did in character as marcel this is my own personal feelings about like people who like are bragging about how they like love to sign their emails oh yeah yeah yeah i love that not that that's bad i i heard recently that um somebody got a really nice note from someone that they said peace and then I felt bad. There are exceptions. What is he saying? He says war? He says war and hate?

War. I'm a big war person. You know, I sign all my personal letters war. Let the battle begin, Marcel. Let the battle begin. Okay, everybody, readers, you gotta see it. You're actually hired back as publicists again these are our listeners jenny please go see marcella the show it makes a difference

please go see it yeah we are like a all word of mouth campaign meaning like the movie it will expand nationwide but it only does if actually like people literally tell their friends and you gotta go see this gotta gotta go yeah you gotta go everybody it's really great it'll make you laugh it'll make you cry and um it's just great and you're the really are the best we were so excited to meet you and we're so excited to have you on i hope this is a lifelong friendship i don't say that lightly i really do hope so i really enjoy you guys this is just the beginning let the battles begin or like let the friendships begin you said it I literally did and I'm not taking it back

oh wonderful let's make a date to go see a female girl starring Lea Michele I'm putting it out there and we're receiving it alright well Bowen we end every episode with a song.

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