Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "A Gay Hustler Who Murders People" (w/ Trixie Mattel)

Episode Date: August 3, 2022

This Italian feast of an episode feels like doing poppers recreationally at a nightclub: fucking incredible, mama. Pop culture icon, singer-songwriter, drag legend and now Palm Springs motel owner Tri...xie Mattel joins the artists currently known as Matt & Bowen to discuss geeks, nerds, Barbie, Lisa Vanderpump, responsible standom, the finale of All Stars 7, returning for another all winners season of Drag Race, Little Shop of Horrors, earnest capitalism, zoning laws, and how cigarettes make you a smelly bitch. Also, all episodes of Trixie Motel are now streaming on Discovery+ and it's a damn joy! Trixie is one of our favorites and probably yours too! So enjoy this episode, Mary. And stay the night, why dontcha?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:12 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Look, man. Oh, I see. Wow. Look over there. Is that culture? Yes. Goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas. Ding dong.
Starting point is 00:02:26 Las Culturistas calling. If it isn't my favorite little ninny. If it isn't my favorite little nana. By the way, can I just say that we really stumbled, little Nancy boy. We stumbled on a really cool new sort of entertainment format, I think. You and I. Which is? Tell them all.
Starting point is 00:02:44 Which is the Honesty Zone on Instagram Live. Our weekly Honesty Zone. It's not weekly. It's sort of irregularly scheduled. Sort of schedules permitting, as Matt and I are. This is the part when I say that it's weekly. And then we have to try to do that every week and really can't fulfill that and disappoint our many legions of fans. Called the readers. Called the readers. I think we can make it monthly. But basically many legions of fans called the readers.
Starting point is 00:03:05 I think we can make it monthly, but basically it's called the Honesty Zone. It is not affiliated with Las Culturistas, but we will use this platform to promote it. But it's an Instagram live show where it's a competition between Matt and I to see who earns the most honesty stars.
Starting point is 00:03:22 Legendary legend stars. Legendary legends, honesty stars. We have Trix. Legendary legends honesty stars. We have Trixie Mattel. Trixie Mattel is finally putting out fun rock music that could have been out of the Freaky Friday movie. I am loving it. It's never been more Fountains of Wayne to be age.
Starting point is 00:03:37 It's Fountains of Wayne. Oh my god. We love Fountains of Wayne. That's one of my favorite fans of all time. I know. we talked about this on your last episode your last iconic episode now before we sort of like where all the piss streams cross and this becomes a piss moment because we are going to just say that our guest today is a returning guest as a pop culture icon singer songwriter drag race winner um and that's topical i'll tell you that. And among other things,
Starting point is 00:04:06 has a new shot on Discovery Perks, which is a goddamn delight. And it's called the Trixie Motel and it documents and chronicles really. And I think we need to be using the word chronicles more in the culture, just to be honest. It chronicles the establishment
Starting point is 00:04:20 of the Trixie Motel. It's really, I loved it. We got to talk to our guest about this. I really enjoyed this whole fucking show. You better believe I watched the whole thing. I watched it down. Shed a tear at Danny and Phillip's wedding. Not for nothing.
Starting point is 00:04:36 I thought it was beautiful. Am I allowed to talk? You guys still pretending? Yes! Trixie Motel! Right from the road you know I I gotta say
Starting point is 00:04:47 I stalked you guys to come back on because I just I love I mean I love you guys so much I love yeah you wanted to promote
Starting point is 00:04:52 your goddamn show on Discovery Plus you fucked him that's exactly what happened but you know what whenever I have something to promote I have like a short list of things I actually like
Starting point is 00:05:00 that people actually know and that's what I reach out to first because let the publicists do their thing but I'm like I'm my own publicist I know people too exactly you know let me connect with the girls because we haven't seen you since our italian feast since rouse since we went to rouse that one day yeah oh that's right you know so much has happened what when was that
Starting point is 00:05:18 was right before i left for tomorrow that was march yeah you went you left for tour the next day yeah the night i think i do believe you left right after that dinner. I left right after. I left dinner to go. That was fun and magical, though. And you know what? I love inviting people to restaurants that are close to my house, regardless of the quality.
Starting point is 00:05:33 Absolutely. It's my favorite place, and it's a walk away. You know what I mean? That place was good, though. I mean, this is... It was good. We're giving them a free promo right now. Rouse.
Starting point is 00:05:41 Is it Raios? I don't know. Is there anybody Italian who can help us? Who's Italian? It's the jars with the sauce. It's a rouse. Matteo Lane is making a huge comeback in my algorithm. All my YouTube
Starting point is 00:05:56 shit is saying, here's a Matteo Lane video. He's full on doing channel content. He's so good at it. He's doing cooking tutorials. And I, oh God, we love Matteo Lane in this chat. He is so funny at it. He's doing cooking tutorials and I, God, we love Matteo Lane in this chat. He is so funny. You know what he and I were just talking about and this is like a side note. He and I
Starting point is 00:06:11 just did Just for Laughs two nights ago and we were like we were like, we used to want to be like I'm gay but I appeal to everyone or like I'm the gay guy who can perform in any room and now I'm like. No, no way. If I don't make jokes that only gay people laugh at, I'm quitting. Yeah, if I don't make jokes that only gay people laugh at I'm quitting yeah absolutely I want alienation I want it to fall on deaf ears I want straight people to
Starting point is 00:06:30 straight people to feel excluded by the content I mean I always say like whenever I'm doing a show I always do pull the crowd and I say who's straight here and then some of them even make noise which I then sort of like unpack like look at you all you straight people cheering for yourselves and then I say just kidding just kidding i don't want anyone to be here and feel uncomfortable just because something is wrong with them you know what i mean straight people they have this disease this affliction that is being straight and i just but i don't want and my show them to feel bad about that but i don't care if they get the jokes it's not for you right you see the straight girls get lost and i'm like sorry you don't know about poppers sorry they haven't done a mini challenge on drag race on the subject yet but i don't it's
Starting point is 00:07:08 not my responsibility it's not my responsibility to educate you but straight girls have found poppers though yes they have yes they have yes what do you what do you guys think is going on psychologically spiritually with people who do poppers in the middle of a night out at a club? I do it. I do it. We do it. We've done it together, boy. Trix, what?
Starting point is 00:07:34 I was DJing the other night and somebody reached over the decks and was like, are you on crack cocaine? Get out of here. I think it's exciting. No, it's great because there are songs that are popper songs you know this trick charlie xdx like a charlie xdx no any anything by charlie but anything by charlie a good puss good puss by cobra yeah yes honey do you know what i mean like these are these are popper songs i mean not for nothing you want the rush of
Starting point is 00:08:02 blood can be anything you get excited about i I was at the Chicks the other night, and they played Sleep at Night, and I was ready to pop the poppers. How do you sleep at night? I wanted the poppers popped. When the second verse of Not Ready to Make Nice, baby, pop the poppers. I'm saying, when you find out what happened to Earl, I'm fucking flying high. I'm soaring, flying. That's a slippery slope.
Starting point is 00:08:22 It could be like, oh, oh, O'Reilly's. And you're like, oh, fuck. Oh, fuck. Zatarain's. Yeah, Zatarain's. Mama's got white, bright, like, oh, fuck it, the popper. It could be anything.
Starting point is 00:08:37 Stanley Steamer's tough on dirt. I want to pop the popper to Stanley Steamer so bad. Anytime you listen to a radio station, it's like 106.1 BLI. You're in your car going through your fucking cabinets.
Starting point is 00:08:52 Open the glove box. You have a wet rag like that movie with the guy in the club sniffing the rag. What movie is that? Al Pacino, right? He plays a hustler. No, he plays a gay hustler who is murdering people, right? He plays a hustler. No, he plays like a gay hustler who like is murdering people, right?
Starting point is 00:09:09 I don't know. Al Pacino played a gay hustler who was murdering people? I think so. I don't know. That's the title of that. A gay hustler who murders people is the title of your second app.
Starting point is 00:09:20 That's what you are. You're a gay hustler. Okay, Al Pacino's queer film, Cruising. Pacino plays queer film, Cruising. Pacino plays Steve Burns, a detective trying to solve a series of homosexual murders. He goes undercover
Starting point is 00:09:31 pretending to be a gay S&M person. I love that. Whoa. And there's this scene where he's like dancing in a club sniffing a rag. Like,
Starting point is 00:09:38 oh my God. Yeah, like a gay guy. Yeah, he's gooning. Gooning. He's gooning. Gooning. Oh my God, wait, like a gay guy. Yeah, he's gooning. Gooning. He's gooning. Oh my god, wait.
Starting point is 00:09:48 That is the word for what we do in the club. The gays, we get together and we're gooning. Bring gooning back. Gooning and baiting. Gooning and baiting. You know what? You know what I'm worried about? I was talking to Mary Beth Barone and she wants to bring back geeks as an insult.
Starting point is 00:10:04 Like, you're a fucking geek. Like get out of my face. Yeah. I love that. People have been way too proud of that for too long. Yeah. Yeah. Well,
Starting point is 00:10:11 it's nerds now. Now like nerds, people are like, I'm a nerd. And like, there's like a pridefulness about it, which like great. Good for you.
Starting point is 00:10:17 But geeks is like, there's no way you make that seem cool. No, that's what sucks about the internet is anyone can have a community now and feel empowered. Anyone can get online and find an online community and feel empowered so you have these geeks and these nerds getting together and they're geek and nerd communities and suddenly they're walking into school with their heads held high and i think it's disgusting and what i have to say to them is you're geeks you're fucking geeks well i also don't like hot cool people who like exploit one avenue of their personality that might be
Starting point is 00:10:45 slightly geeky and they're like i'm such a dork yeah i'm such a fucking nerd it's pokemon for these gay guys gay men the first thing they go to is pokemon and i and i say that as a pokemon fan for life but like yeah who's also one of the coolest people in america bowen thank you well that's the thing but unless you have a twitch channel where you live open pokemon cards eight hours a day you are not a nerd you know what i mean show me the reality show me the real receipts show me the squirrel tattoo on your face bitch show me the realty wow okay wow but is there have you done that before like is there one thing about you that you have like for you is it like well i like folk music did you ever use that as like a geek nerd
Starting point is 00:11:22 card no one thinks liking folk music is cool people who do folk music don Did you ever use that as like a geek nerd card? No one thinks liking folk music is cool. People who do folk music don't think it's cool. It's a little like musical theater where people, even people who do it are like, isn't it fucking dumb? I mean, yeah. And also a lot of people who do electronic music and stuff,
Starting point is 00:11:37 EDM, they like start, they started in real instruments, folky shit. And then at some point a flip switch, like they turn, folk is their past and their beginning. And then they turn to like EDM, folky shit. And then at some point a flip switch, like they turn, folk is their past and their beginning. And then they turn to like ADM,
Starting point is 00:11:48 pop music. Like Maggie Rogers. Pop music. Yeah. I remember reading an interview about Moby's, like saying that he like went to a gay club and heard like house music for the first time. And his complete like desire and music changed. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:01 He was like, I want to do house music. I think that's a real thing about Maggie Rogers too. Like she went to to school because she went to the clive davis school at nyu which is like very very tough to get into like they genuinely try to prepare people to become like recording superstars and like big producers and she was like a folk artist period and then being in the city i think she was exposed to like club music and that's when she did her thing and had her like iconic youtube clip with pharrell where he she was playing her song for him and he was like who the fuck is this girl and then she became mr totally yeah folk music i mean i don't have anything like that i mean drag well i mean drag drag wasn't very wasn't very cool till recently so i mean there was the
Starting point is 00:12:42 president does drag you know what i mean mean? Girl, everyone does drag. Everyone has a wig from Amazon. It's Barbies for you. It's right, right, right. Oh, it's definitely Barbies. Because people are like, I love Barbie. And I'm like, but where were you in 1962 with Fashion Queen? You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:12:56 Because I really know about Barbies. When Fashion Queen Barbie hit the scene. You showed off Fashion Queen Barbie. Yes, yes. On the show. Yes. With James. Yes. The way I'm Yes. With James. Yes.
Starting point is 00:13:06 The way I'm going to go to like, it's like when nerds go to superhero movies and they hate it no matter what. That's going to be me with the Barbie movie. I'm going to be like. Are you excited and thrilled? I'm excited and thrilled because I love anything about something I love.
Starting point is 00:13:22 No one hates The Sims more than Sims fans. No one hates Drag Race more than Drag Race fans. No one hates Stephen King adaptations more than Sims. So I don't participate in loving something and therefore hating it. I think that's psychotic. Love that. And you know what? That's really important.
Starting point is 00:13:37 And that's actually something about Stan culture that I'm like, if you were a real Stan, and I'm just going to bravely say this right now, okay? A real Taylor Stan would want her to not fly in that private jet as much as she does. A real Taylor Stan would be like, reduce the emissions, mama. And some of these Stan Twitter threads are like a thread. It's so funny to watch these Stan Twitter threads that are like a thread of Taylor supporting the environment. Taylor's lyrics are said to say things about trees. Taylor released the album Folklore in 2020,
Starting point is 00:14:10 and it was very much taking place in the woods, which is the environment. Which is trees. Which is trees, actually. So she never got on a plane ever in her life. And I'm just like, guys, it's okay to stand someone. And I think this is important. And also hold them to account.
Starting point is 00:14:25 It's like when you're being a friend and you see that your friend is in trouble, a real friend says something. Period. It's also okay to like someone's art and not personally cosign on every moral decision they've ever made. Absolutely. Like, the way now we require people we stand to have the same beliefs. We even require corporations to have values. We we we require Kleenex during the month of June to show us that they like gay people or to pop their pussy. It doesn't matter to me if Coca-Cola says they like gay people.
Starting point is 00:14:58 That's not a person. That's not even like what are we talking about? It's actually real culture. Number four, Coca-Cola. Cola. That's not a like what are we talking about it's actually real culture number four coca-cola cola that's not a person yeah every pride month it's like we're ready to show that you know nike nike is fierce and i'm like it's a shoe mary and it's a flat it's so it's a flat it's not even a heel oh yeah going back to the thing, I love, I think you did have a quote or something about Margot Robbie
Starting point is 00:15:28 that I loved because you were like, when I think of Margot Robbie, I think relatable. That's my grandma. That's my aunt. I know. I know. You know, I did get called in, of course, and you know, she and I
Starting point is 00:15:43 get seen in a lot of the same rooms. Do you know what I mean? Sure. It's always like me. They were looking for a Barbie type. It's either going to be Margot Robbie or Trixie Michelle. It's crazy that you were not asked to be in the movie, though, Trixie. It was.
Starting point is 00:15:55 Everybody and their mother is in it. It's so true. Her Samara Weaving. You know what I mean? Like, Naomi Watts for some time. Like, we'd all be. And it's like, hey. Samara Weaving.
Starting point is 00:16:05 Samara Weaving. Samara Weaving. Who might be Margot Robbie. She just shot up in bed and is like, huh? Someone? Samara Weaving's ears are burning. Oh, I hope she is.
Starting point is 00:16:14 Love you, Samara. So, uh, yeah, but I, I didn't get asked to be in the movie, but I will say,
Starting point is 00:16:18 and I, I believe in predicting the future. When the time comes, come time to promote that movie. You know, this whore is going to get a call. You know, I'm going to go do some red carpet where I have to be like,
Starting point is 00:16:28 you know, what was it like putting on a blonde wig? You know, like, of course. And I'll do it. And I'll do it. Your rate has to be so, no, but you have to do it for so much money. But I'm going to tell you, because I'm a person with a wig, the opening call will be, it's a great opportunity for you. We don't have budget at this time, but we do need you to fly yourself to North Korea and do need you to fly yourself to North Korea and we need you to interview Margot Robbie while jumping out of a plane.
Starting point is 00:16:52 And it's a great opportunity. And please look absolutely fabulous. The trickster you know on TV, that's what you want to see. And we do need you to submit four outfits for approval three months in advance. It's literally going to be that. I mean, it's crazy. But good for them.
Starting point is 00:17:07 Good for them. Can I ask, was that your decision to be... Well, you were EPing on the show, but was that your decision to be in drag for most of Trixie Mattel? Yes, I wanted to be in drag all the time originally. Unfortunately, because originally David and I conceived the show. We created it and conceived it. Like, we were watching, like, my life on the d-list the
Starting point is 00:17:26 simple life the comeback and brady renovation so like there's the reno element with the camp element and then there's parts in the show where we're kind of playing reality show like yeah it's a little bit it's my favorite parts of the of the fucking show or when you guys were pretending to be on a reality show? Does that make sense? We are. I mean, yes. There's a part in the last episode it opens with me, Emily Hampshire from Schitt's Creek, checking in. And we do like an improv
Starting point is 00:17:53 comedy scene basically where I trick her into working at the motel and it's like, well, I'm the person in a wig and pretending to be real is my reality in drag so we can sort of do reality TV skit as reality TV. Because it is real. I mean, we did spend $2 million on a building that we had to renovate.
Starting point is 00:18:12 That was all real. So we already had enough reality, you know. But we love doing like the, I mean, I just love being in drag as much as I could. Unfortunately, it was Palm Springs. And it's renovations. I can't exactly sit there and do manual labor in drag. You know, it's too much. With no AC or whatever there and do manual labor and drag. No. It's too much. With no AC or whatever.
Starting point is 00:18:27 Yeah, and I did a lot of it. I mean, if you watch like the time lapse sections, it'll be like the sun going down and you'll see me in a room painting a mural for hours. Like running around in fast motion. So it's not like we did the... It was also like a balancing act because I said this affectionately to the friends at Discovery Plus. I said, well, I'm not like other reno talent i have a career like yeah i have a job so like in addition to renovating this i have i have to go other comedy gigs and the makeup company and like so half the show probably has to be following me to my other jobs because i'm not just like
Starting point is 00:18:59 pretending to paint and then they all cut and i go sit on a beanbag chair for two days you know no this is your actual thing. And it's our real building, our real business. We had to spend half a million dollars on just rental. There's a myth that renovation television, they give you a bunch of money and do everything for free. No, that is not true. It was your own budget.
Starting point is 00:19:19 That was your own money. Yes. I mean, they do things like trade-outs. Like, for example, let's say you're redoing your kitchen and Black & Decker wants to give you a free fridge and stuff. Right, right, right, right. And that's great. Or Don Edwards wants to donate the paint for your living room. Like, you definitely can get items
Starting point is 00:19:32 more than you get a giant wire transfer to use as you please. Did Lisa Vanderpump actually gift? Were those actually gifts? Yes, yes. That was the production? Well, when I pitched it to her, I was like, you know, we're all going to do, like, it's going to be a little bit Trixie's famous friends forced into manual labor.
Starting point is 00:19:48 I mean, that's kind of the energy, right? You have Nicole Byer showing up in full hair and makeup. And she's like, so what are we doing? And I said, here's a brush. And she's like, oh, we're like horrible pack. I'm like, here's a hammer. We're really doing this. Yeah. But Vanderpump was like, I'm not doing that. She was like, I'll do. do she's like I'll buy you something yeah we can go shopping darling but she's not you know she's very involved in her businesses but she's I don't think
Starting point is 00:20:12 I'm going to get her on her hands and knees pulling up you know tongue and groove she laid every brick at sir though that was every brick at sir completely I mean she is very self sufficient though I mean she's arguably very self-sufficient, though. I mean, she's arguably the richest, most famous person we had on the show.
Starting point is 00:20:28 Yeah. And she's the only one who drives himself, insists on doing their own hair and makeup, and didn't require... Oh, really? Yeah, she's... Oh, cool. And then you have... I've learned through producing now that the newest, youngest celebrities are the most
Starting point is 00:20:41 insane with their demands, and the oldest, most established celebrities are like, I'll drive myself. It's fine. I don't need hair and makeup. You want to know what it is? I bet that the novelty of getting all that shit is just over for them because it just means they have to talk to more people. And she's like, no. Because you do realize when it is really involved, these new people who are not used to being driven places and have hair and makeup and like the snacks of it all and the being handled.
Starting point is 00:21:08 It's like exciting for them. I mean, well, at least the Vanderpump's like, yeah, no, I don't want to talk to anyone. I'm coming.
Starting point is 00:21:13 We're shopping and I'm out. Yeah. She also, cause I was producing the show and she also knows like it's all my own money and my own budget. So she was like, whatever saves you the most money, whatever's easiest, you know,
Starting point is 00:21:22 that's awesome. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. Oh my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg. You're recording us? I am disgusted.
Starting point is 00:21:44 Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy. We were friends. How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean.
Starting point is 00:22:05 He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian.
Starting point is 00:22:19 Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation.
Starting point is 00:22:44 Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly
Starting point is 00:23:11 Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate delusional dreamer and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life.
Starting point is 00:23:34 Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault, but mine, I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. I'm Cheryl Swoops, WNBA champ, three-time Olympian, and Basketball Hall of Famer.
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Starting point is 00:24:52 Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeartWomenSports I specifically love the parts that were like playing reality you and David specifically where it was like you know you would like get the news that the permits or the licenses weren't working out in the way that they were supposed to and then it would cut away to you guys in the confessional and then you would turn to David and be like
Starting point is 00:25:20 David you didn't tell me that the liquor licenses had to be signed in blood or whatever like you know like whatever or whatever the hell it was like, it was, it was just very, it was very cute. And I don't mean that in a patronizing way, but I was just like, oh, this is so, this is a lovely viewing experience. Well, David didn't even want to be on this. I mean, David's a producer. He never wanted to be on camera. He never wanted to be on the show.
Starting point is 00:25:40 Originally, when I pitched the show, it was kind of me and my assistant, a little bit like the comeback. Yeah. But then because it's, you know, renovation is sort of family based right your home or your business is about your personal stakes yes so then they're like well your partner who's producing the show really owns half the business really is in it with you and they're like well he needs to be on it so then I turn to David who's nervous sweaty and camera shy and be like you have you know it's like you have to be on this show now it's funny that I have to David, who's nervous, sweaty, and camera shy. And be like, you have, you know, it's like, you have to be on this show now. It's funny that I have so many friends who would shoot someone to be on television.
Starting point is 00:26:10 And then David, who earnestly doesn't want to be, is forced into every scene. It's so funny. He, like, him in interviews, just sweating. You never know when fame is going to come knocking. Yeah, he's really funny. He just wanted to make the show. And watching him be forced into being in it is really funny to me because he doesn't want to be on it i mean i also like i don't think i
Starting point is 00:26:29 understood in the beginning that like this was an act like i understood it as an actual when the show was first announced i was like oh that won't be something you can actually stay in and then it's like absolutely something you can actually stay in. And you know, I was on the website yesterday looking at rates. And I literally said to my girl, I'm like, roast me. No, girl. No. First of all, I'm not. I'm not dragging.
Starting point is 00:26:58 I'm saying I'm getting a gay army together and I'm taking over the Trixie Motel. I think it's going to happen in November. You should. We've only been opening it like a couple months in advance because we're really trying to prioritize people who want to rent like the whole thing for their friends for the weekend i think that that is the smart thing because it is so fun and i have to just say like i was sitting here drinking my weed seltzer fucking basking in it it is so gorgeous to look at it's just like every single room like is so fun and i honestly was having a really hard time picking a favorite i do think that like there is something to the malibu barbara room i just interesting i really really respond to that because i feel like i can't book the oh honeymoon suite for myself
Starting point is 00:27:38 but everyone you got to go on the website trixie motel and honestly it's this would be a really fun thing to do with all your friends but look at all the pictures obviously watch the show but like you can see on the whole website the website by the way is amazing gorgeous like really well laid out like very very like just you're so good at all this but like it was really fun to like engage with it while i was watching because i was getting excited about a palm springs getaway and my question for you is can you play music outside? Because it's a commercial space. You can't.
Starting point is 00:28:07 Fuck yeah. This is what I'm saying. So if nobody knows, I'm sure you guys have talked about it because you guys visit PS. You can at rental. You guys get kicked out of a rental. Oh, I heard it. They got kicked out.
Starting point is 00:28:17 My ass got kicked the fuck out of a rental. For playing music on an iPhone. In the middle of a lip sync competition. Outside. Yes. My friend Chris liker was dressed as a cat and he had to go to the door and field the the leasing person saying not only are you not allowed to do this but you all have to leave within the hour pack up your shit now no second
Starting point is 00:28:38 chances it was yeah it was really crazy and if you are going to Palm Springs and you think, oh, it won't happen to us, listen to my voice, the voice of truth. It will happen to you, honey. You are in danger, girl. We will be offering a lot of... Well, first of all, we have the Disneyland rocks thing where music plays from somehow nowhere. We have that.
Starting point is 00:29:00 In addition to that, we have a lobby that you could throw... You could put a disco ball up in there and throw a dance party inside if you want like more of a vibe we also have things like um a movie theater screen that you can put up by the pool with a projector so you can put on a movie of choice and swim and drink and watch your favorite movie with your friends i mean david and i used to go to palm springs and our options were either stay in a soulless airbnb that's clearly a rental owned by rich bags where I can get literally kicked out from my phone ringing too loud.
Starting point is 00:29:27 Or stay in a rotted boutique motel that was gutted or the Margaritaville, which is fine, but flip-flop is a stiletto at the Margaritaville. That's all I'm going to say. That's real culture. It's real culture number 44. The flip-flop is the stiletto
Starting point is 00:29:43 at the Margaritaville. And honestly, we love palm springs and we love that the gay men there are in their 60s living their 20s and it's it's timeless everybody is sun damaged yeah an old leather bag but presenting the spirit of a 16 year old girl and we honestly like we wanted to contribute something that we felt like was glaringly missing. And nobody's more 60s in California than Trixie. So it was like, this is... It's perfect.
Starting point is 00:30:13 We were looking at, we were on Zillow and I was looking at domestic, like, listings. Because I thought I'd just get a pink place and make it a house that's pink. And I put, you know. And that motel showed up because it was zoned as condos. We didn't even look at other commercial properties. So it was like, it was like fate. Like the universe presented me with a seven room pink motel. And I was like,
Starting point is 00:30:32 it's a long shot. We just got to look at it. I was like, let's just look at it. And so then, you know, David went without me and looked, he was like, he's like, this place has like a magic. He was like, we have to do this. I mean, you know, we've done a lot of weird things with Trixie over the years, like, you know,
Starting point is 00:30:47 the makeup company or albums and stuff, but a motel was really a hard left. But once we started, I was like, this feels exactly Trixie. Like, it all makes sense. It all works in the ethos of Trixie. Yeah, because Trixie's sort of a, in addition to being blonde in California in the 60s,
Starting point is 00:31:04 she's sort of at her heart like an earnest capitalist, too. You know, in a fantasy. But she's a little bit Mickey Mouse where it's like, it's earnest and it's also trying to sell you something. But also with Palm Springs, again, I love Palm Springs. And it was a rock and a hard place between a rental I didn't want to stay in or a motel I didn't want to stay in. And it was like, well, let's make something that is really gonna gag the children and I every room my face even though I knew what the designs were and a lot of them I participated in making them walking into them furnished every time I was like we are about to snap on all these hoes
Starting point is 00:31:39 and there's there's something inherently vacation about Trixie, too. Like, Trixie is resort. Like, in fact, wasn't one of your intro looks, like, as if she, weren't you in resort wear? Yeah. A swimsuit. Yeah, like, it was giving, like, I'm here for vacation. Like, it really is, like, one of those things that it seems like you stumbled into because not only were all the opportunities there, but also it is one of those things where it's just like pretty perfect branding wise.
Starting point is 00:32:07 Yeah. I mean, even the character of Barbie's from a fictional small town in Wisconsin and moves to California like Malibu to pursue their dreams. So like even that to me was like, okay, that's I'm actually from small town Wisconsin. And there's something about Trixie, even though I'd never really been to Palm Springs. By the time I started going there, it was like, I found the characters like home. It was like, because everything 60s there. Right. And so
Starting point is 00:32:31 it feels like every room. What? Your audio was slow for a second and you were going and it went like this. It went for like and we were laughing. Wow. and it went like this. It went for like... Mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm. And we were laughing.
Starting point is 00:32:47 Whoa. Yeah, it was fierce. Can we capture that, Doug? I would love to. Roll it now. Play it now. Mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm. Okay, cool. We just played it.
Starting point is 00:32:59 And also, like, there's something... It's also the paradox of being earnestly capitalist like Trixie, but Trixie's still a queer small paradox of being earnestly capitalist like trixie but trixie's still a queer small business so like it's not nefarious it's not evil no it's like i can give you something really cunty and also part of the threads of drag is money someone comes out in drag you give them money it's part of the exchange is yes yeah part of
Starting point is 00:33:23 the art of drag is making the dollar yeah and then even like you know we the motels in palm springs are priced it's a vacation town in california yeah the motels for what they're priced i just always felt like they weren't giving and so i was like let's do something at this palm springs price point that actually is giving not to mention every room is giving different like you, you only get, Malibu Barber is totally different than Atomic Bombshell. Yeah, Atomic Bombshell is my favorite. Is it really? I want to stay there.
Starting point is 00:33:51 The colors are gorgeous in Atomic Bombshell. They're all really good. Malibu Barber, I'll say that I didn't anticipate that being a lot of people's favorites, but that was people's, like, they love it. And then Atomic Bombshell, we knew, just because it was kind of boyish in a way, we were like, people are going to love this.
Starting point is 00:34:08 Yeah, yeah. Is it genuinely close to Hunters and all those places? Maybe five minutes up the street. Yeah, love it. Wow. Yeah. You get to town and you take a right. It's right there. Wow. It was listed as a condo, but then did you have to
Starting point is 00:34:23 go through rezoning shit for it to be a commercial thing or no? No, it's listed as both. And but then did you have to like go through rezoning shit for it to be like a commercial thing or no no it's listed as both and if you watch the show you'll notice a lot of our trials and tribulations have to do with permitting i mean oh yeah it's a nightmare yeah the mayor of palm springs told me in an episode she said uh she was she's a former mayor she was the first queer female mayor i think in california and she said palm springs is like no place else and we want to keep it that way yeah which is why they are rigid if you want to paint your front door in palm springs you need approval the exact shade everything and when we painted the motel the city said they didn't like it and they were going to start finding us every month yeah
Starting point is 00:34:57 i said well how much i said how much is the fine i don't care if it drains us like a swamp i'm not changing the color of this motel is Is it currently draining you like a swamp? Are you paying for it? No. They changed their mind, I think. But there's a lot of things. For example, we removed one of the drains in the pool and then found out that was code.
Starting point is 00:35:16 So one day we woke up to a sign that said, you're in violation of the city. So then we had to drain the pool, put in another drain. Little things you never think of. Our original idea was to put my eyes in a mural on the bottom of the pool but it's a safety hazard because it can obstruct the view of someone drowning oh my god well what is very strict yeah i honestly the the music thing i was genuinely thinking about because i was like if this has to be a silent thing like that would think would hurt it. But the fact that you have Disneyland
Starting point is 00:35:46 rocks and that we're calling them Disneyland rocks really makes me very happy. And the fact that they're on premises is mage. It's mage. Well, I don't think you can go wild. We can't do thumpa thumpa. But some of my dreams of the motel is to do appearances but not tell anyone. So if it's particularly
Starting point is 00:36:02 booked, my dream is to at 9am on a Sunday bring my turntables out there and start DJing and just have people like come out, come out, wherever you are. It's like Dolly showing up to Dollywood. Yeah, or like me in a maid outfit just cleaning rooms that day.
Starting point is 00:36:17 I want people to be gagged by like, oh, this person's really here. Because one thing we didn't have to inflate making the show was the stakes. This is our real money. This is our real business. Not to mention, doing business with your partner introduces a lot of stress.
Starting point is 00:36:32 Introduces a lot of, you really start to see the things you love about each other turn into the things you stress out about each other. You really start to see the cracks. You see the cracks starting to show and it is go time on your relationship. That's why i always say couples should go on reality television to face the ultimate test i've worked in hospitality like
Starting point is 00:36:51 through gay bars and stuff i've been a delivery driver a dishwasher a server a shot girl and applying that like pre-drag race working in nobody mentions that pre-drag race we are bar employees right we all work in hospitality in post-drag race i've been to every gay bar on the planet i've stayed in every motel and hotel in every city so what better way to apply all that knowledge than to open like a basically like a mini queer dollywood yeah and be like i'm gonna avenge all the wrongs i've ever been wrong yeah in places by making it fierce. And of course, treat your employees like the shit you were treated. Really just drag them.
Starting point is 00:37:30 Yes. I'll tell you this. It is hard to hire in Palm Springs. It's a town of people on vacation, people who are retired, and there's quite a fierce drug problem in Palm Springs. So not everyone's resume is screaming out, hire me. Yeah, their resume is just screaming because they're outside your house screaming.
Starting point is 00:37:50 And the break-ins, Palm Springs is stunning to look at, but it has its own social problems. I mean, California itself in many areas is a living, breathing human rights violation. And Palm Springs is not immune to that so even hiring
Starting point is 00:38:06 the right people you know it's almost like we finished the renovation and we wrapped the series and it was like oh and dave and i standing there in this literal palace where everything is perfect and then we're like we have to open this now now we have to let people walk around in here i know that's a thing all my gay friends being like the way I'm gonna come to your motel and fucking get plugged I'm like everybody's like threatening to defile the motel everyone's like the way I'm getting fisted
Starting point is 00:38:33 in the like I'm like okay lay down a tarp or people are like I have friends making lists of the things they're gonna steal and I'm like no Iggy Azalea who in the series she she was a former motel cleaner and she comes into yeah she can really make a bed that was hospital corners she has the hospital quarters down yes and that's the thing about anybody in entertainment we all have
Starting point is 00:38:56 some hospitality bones in us right because we all have done it yeah yeah and it was interesting watching iggy who is kind of a living breathing breathing Betty Boop or Angeline or something, watching her come in with this real world knowledge. And she's just like, oh, everything in your room, it's going to get stolen. If it's not getting stolen, it's getting cum on it. I'm like, holy shit. Yeah. She's like, my biggest thing is have doubles of everything. And I'm like, everything in here is one of a kind.
Starting point is 00:39:23 There's no doubles. Am I supposed to call Jonathan Adler's no doubles can you send me another $4,000 dresser please once you stay in a hotel you realize how much cum is all over everything because when you're in the hotel room you're the one producing the cum and I never cum more
Starting point is 00:39:39 than when I'm in a hotel room it's just sort of the truth of my life and so to think that when I'm checking into a place it hasn't been absolutely desecrated by the pig that was in there before me is just, it's just not the truth. And not just my home. And also like, I'm like, you know,
Starting point is 00:39:56 people go to hotels and wipe their asses with towels. Do you know what I mean? Like people, hotels are in a way, they're inviting you to do things that you wouldn't do in your own home. Yeah, because you don't have to deal with it after. Yes. And I hope that because, I mean, at this place, you're basically sleeping in an art installation. I hope that we discourage people for being too gross.
Starting point is 00:40:18 But you never know. You never know. You never know. Wasn't Iggy the one on the show who was like, people behave anonymously in these hotel rooms or in any hotel room because they feel like they can. And that's why that just like brings out every dark instinct in your mind. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:40:37 I mean, it's like when you get in drag, you become another person. When you exit a hotel, it's weird because you're giving them your first and last name and your credit card on file. Why would that encourage you to act foolish and break things and get feces on things?
Starting point is 00:40:53 I don't know. You're not anonymous. Not to mention they have a way to financially charge you for your wrongdoing. So I don't know why we go so YOLO at hotels. The other day I was in a hotel in Chicago and I swear to God it was pristine. It was like a nice hotel. I won't say where or what it
Starting point is 00:41:09 was for but it's pristine and I look over and on the shower wall is just a clump of hair like from one of those scary movies. It was like insidious. It was like a clump of hair just like hanging on the wall. like very much like a
Starting point is 00:41:26 long-haired woman was in this shower and like i don't know how this happened with her hair but it was clumped on the wall and it was just so shocking because everything else was an icky azalea folded corner everything else was was like truly lickety motherfucking split and there was a chunk of hair on the wall and i was just looking at it like and i just stood in the shower and looked at it long enough where i was like can i shower with this next to me or am i gonna have to not shower right now to call someone up and explain what this is and get this taken care of ultimately i did stand in the shower next to the chonk, but I was not happy about it.
Starting point is 00:42:07 And I actually never reported it. Well, you know it wasn't me. You know. But also, I mean, it could, I mean, it could be anyone. But listen, people with long hair have about as much understanding of how crazy and gross their hair is as smokers do of how much
Starting point is 00:42:24 they smell like smoke. Smokers are like, oh, well, I had a mint. I'm like, okay. So now you smell like someone shoved a Tic Tac in the end of a burning cigarette. Like you smell the same. You still smell, yeah, yeah, yeah. When I worked at the Mac counter,
Starting point is 00:42:40 I remember my assistant manager, she would, I just, I've never really understood smoking. And I guess when I was younger, I didn't really know. You don't never know if you're talking to a smoker when you say something. Right. So I remember she was like, do you smoke at the interview? And I said, no, like I said it like, yeah, I was like, no. And she was like, well, some of us do. So just like, you know, and I remember she would, she was one of those smokers who like every hour, right? Every hour. And I feel sort of up and down about the ethics of smoking at work.
Starting point is 00:43:09 And like, if I want to go kick rocks outside once an hour, I should be fucking allowed to too, right? But if you are doing someone's makeup, you're touching their face. You're touching their face. And you're like, well, I ate a mint. Mary. Mary, your hands.
Starting point is 00:43:26 Your hands. It's hammer ate a mint. Mary, Mary, your hands, your hands. It's hammer time, bitch. Like, wash that hair. Come back in a towel. It's one of the things about cigarette use that is a lingering thing that no one can say there. It does have an odor. At least, and I work with Katya. So, like, you know, I've seen fire and rain as far as smoking.
Starting point is 00:43:45 At least Katya's the only one I know who like is a smoker, and she's like, yeah, the smell. She's like, I know, it's horrible, you know? You have to really get into it. But it doesn't help. Sure, but like acknowledging it does not solve the problem. Sorry, Katya. I'm just happy with her that smoking is the most self, if that's
Starting point is 00:44:01 her biggest self-destruction that day, I'm like, yeah. I get on Bowen about his cigarette smoking but then do you smoke bowen he does not anymore i'm so sorry for just monologuing about that in front of you do you see what i mean trust me but identifying as a smoker also like means that you just have to take it like a champ whenever someone like goes into a diatribe about how bad smoking is because we know, you know that it's awful. I also drink and it's like, well, you can't be in illusions about that either, right? Like, drinking is not good
Starting point is 00:44:32 for you. If you got drunk the night before you definitely don't smell good the next morning. Oh, that takes me back to college. I remember this one kid, like we would go to ballet at like 8.30 in the morning on a Friday and people would smell like Thursday, Thirsty Thursday and you would smell like the beer coming out of their pores
Starting point is 00:44:49 and you're like, ugh. I've been that person. I was that person when I was younger. Yes, it's horrible. And that's because it's like, and that's why I always check myself after I do get on Bowen about his smoking
Starting point is 00:44:59 because then when we were in the Pines like this last time, I was pretty much smoking cigarettes all day every day like and i i find more than way i don't know about that bowen you do smoke a lot when you are smoking like you there is like when i smoke i smoke yeah when you are smoking you're smoking a lot and so that week that week i don't know why i filed it away in my brain like this is gonna be my cigarette week and i literally have not since and don't have a desire to but i will say like i understood for a second the thing of needing to literally blow off steam and the only time i got into a little altercation with someone i was smoking a cigarette and i think
Starting point is 00:45:38 honestly that's enough for me to be like no it makes you like one of those bitches who sits there and smokes and fights like you can't smoke cigarettes there's something about like the glamour and attitude of it for me that i literally started in with our friend james scully on something he said i like to pop off at him and he was like are we doing housewives right now and i was like i literally stopped myself immediately i was like yeah i don't know what i think it's the cigarette i'm so sorry yes oh my god like two puffs in you're like three two one i just think it's funny yeah i just think it's funny is like the most toxic anything like well i literally said to him the line i said was and it was a housewives line was it was everything was going fine until you said that stupid shit
Starting point is 00:46:20 and he was like oh are we doing housewives and i was like oh my god i'm so sorry now oh my god it was like reefer madness or like anti-smoking psa like they should show that for anti-smoking like somebody's snapping it's almost like the you become a real diva when you're hungry like snickers commercial bitch yeah like you having two puffs of a cigarette and then like a housewives, like, like throwing wine glass and smashing it. Yeah. I haven't been keeping up with the program.
Starting point is 00:46:58 The real housewives of Salt Lake city are back. I love that. Oh my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg. You're recording us? I am disgusted.
Starting point is 00:47:12 Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy. We were friends. How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City
Starting point is 00:47:24 Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate, delusional dreamer. And the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I
Starting point is 00:47:54 encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one.
Starting point is 00:48:29 On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian.
Starting point is 00:48:50 Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well.
Starting point is 00:49:18 Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network available on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Cheryl Swoops, WNBA champ, three-time Olympian and basketball hall of famer. I'm a mom and I'm a woman. I'm Tarika Foster Brasby, journalist, sports reporter, basketball analyst, a wife, and I'm also a woman. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. See, athlete or not, we all know it takes a lot as women to be at the top of our game. We want to share those stories about balancing work and relationships, motherhood, career shifts, you know, just all the shit we go through. Because no matter who you are,
Starting point is 00:50:09 there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I, well, we have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRad apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast presented by elf beauty founding partner of iheart women's sports i don't know if i'm allowed to say that
Starting point is 00:50:37 you guys about the the bravo pilot i did no no i don't know if i'm allowed to say this but i'm just saying just saying so i during covid i had the pleasure of being part of a pilot that was supposed to be a show that was going to have housewives of different franchises um competing and food and drink sort of nailed its style challenges against each other girls from different franchises being like today you have to cook this food you have to make this drink. You have to make this drink. And you have to set the table. And then judges will like decide who was the ultimate housewife. Yeah, I love it.
Starting point is 00:51:10 And I didn't have to see housewives. And that's when I started texting you, Matt, that I was like, I'm watching housewives for the first time. Oh, yeah. So then I had to binge a bunch of it. And that's how I even found out who Lisa was. Because when I met her, I had never seen her. I remember when you were watching the early seasons of Beverly Hills. And you were sort of falling in of Beverly Hills and you were you were
Starting point is 00:51:25 sort of falling in love with Lisa as you were working with her in real life and it seems like that actually is a warm good relationship which makes me like LVP more oh LVP is the most real bitch friend I have and you know she's a drag queen entirely but it was weird knowing her and then reading her origin story
Starting point is 00:51:42 at the same time it was like yeah exactly but uh you know saying oh there's I hope it sees the light of day and I hope it'll get in trouble knowing her and then reading her origin story at the same time. It was like... Yeah, exactly. But, uh, if you remember I was saying, oh, I hope it sees the light of day and I hope it'll get in trouble. But, uh, there was a housewife, Karen Huger from Potomac. Yep. Yes. And we got to do an episode with her and I don't think it'll ever see the light of day. Um, let's just say allegedly. This allegedly
Starting point is 00:51:59 happened. Yeah. Allegedly. And let's say allegedly, uh, she had to cook food and uh started her kitchen on fire during the episode oh my god karen that needs to be on television that needs because that is and now i'm thinking now i'm thinking what she looks like in my mind trying to put out a fire in the kitchen and it's tv it's frazier the show that's how funny it is. It's as funny as Frasier to think about. I think that in Housewives world, there's no happy medium. There's the women who cooking is their art almost.
Starting point is 00:52:31 Kyle Richards. And there's the women who are like, I can't fucking turn the stove on. Lisa Runa. It's no medium. It's no medium. Yeah. You know? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:39 And I guess, especially through the business, creating the motel business, that's something Vanderpump is a really good resource on because she, you know, does the menus at her restaurants. Like, does the drink menus. You don't serve food though. It's just a bar. It's a bar.
Starting point is 00:52:53 It's going to be a bar for the guests. And then we will work out some sort of like food from other places program. Because I mean, if you want, you know, you have to have the square footage. Palm Springs is small. Our property is small. You can't even build new structures 25 feet from the curb
Starting point is 00:53:08 I had to learn all the rules of Palm Springs whoa 25 feet okay sure I love Palm Springs though where do you guys like to go when you're there I mean see Bowen hasn't gone as much as I've gone my favorite bar there is quads I love quads I love screaming along to musical theater. I took you there, right, Bo? You did. You did. It was fun. And this is why I also like, what is it? Showtune Sundays in the Pines.
Starting point is 00:53:32 Like, I love anything where faggots can get together and scream these stupid songs. I want to see a bunch of faggots scream along to somewhere that's green. Or like CyTrak. Exactly. You know what i mean and then when it gets a little too weird and everyone's like huh like i love those moments where it's like this it's not even like all that jazz it's class from chicago you know what i mean it's like it's the seasides and i love it i love it when it gets weird at those things i love a show tune in a bar i do or like they put on the jennifer hudson i'm telling you i'm not going and some fag is like it's shit about getting me the jennifer
Starting point is 00:54:08 holiday you know i know and then yeah yeah yeah yeah there there is nothing like somewhere that's green coming on and a bunch of loud fags and like crying and then going back to like second cock at the bar like yeah like i need a hero is the next song and you're like okay now we're here whoa little i i kind of have turned on musical theater and but the um little shop of horrors is my all-time favorite and it love it gives what it needs to give i don't know if you guys have ever read the libretto of that it reads like surgery like she says this line she takes two steps and then turns and says this line which is why every performance of it and production of it no matter what the scale is base level good because the music and the storytelling is good so it's not relying on a star or a big budget it's just a good story with good music with good jokes it's howard ashman it's like oh it's so good like the
Starting point is 00:55:01 writing is so then you realize it is howard ash. And you're like, oh, of course, this is genius. But Trixie, Conrad Ricamora from the movie, like did the off-Broadway one that's on now and it's over. But he was stunning. And that was the last time I'd seen it. But it really is good every time. I will say it does get a little too fucking weird for me in terms of the plot. Like in Act 2, i'm sort of just like in act two it gets crazy crazy i mean act one though is like perfect i will say but but act
Starting point is 00:55:31 two story-wise for me like it gets weird but the that music is truly you saw it's unbelievable and i remember not to be a nerd but i wrote when i was in college during musical theater history i had to do like a big big deep dive on a musical and of course i picked that one and like i remember watching a video interview of ellen green saying that like she was thinking she kind of got the role and she was pretty sure she got it and they were kind of like creating the role and kind of casting her but she said the first time she sang somewhere that's green her alan and howard sat and cried afterwards oh because i think that she knew and they knew like they just created like a master yeah something because wow she created it as much as they did you know and of course and you guys know a few years ago she's just doing it with um
Starting point is 00:56:19 toby no not toby jillian hall jake jillian hall yeah i mean icon dude and like Toby, no, not Toby. Jake Gyllenhaal. Jake Gyllenhaal. Yeah. I mean, fucking icon, dude. And like playing a character like that, that's basically like a Betty Boop inflation, but rooted in like real, real, like it's real for them. I remember it's so annoying, but I hate musical theater. But when I was in college,
Starting point is 00:56:37 I remember they were like, you're playing things real in unrealistic scenarios. And like, Little Shop of Horrors is exactly that. It's real for them. Oh, I recently watched Watchmen for the first time, the series, and it's like that too, where it's like inflated situations, but they play it
Starting point is 00:56:53 like real. Matt still hasn't watched it, and I've been imploring Matt to watch it for years at this point. Isn't Jean Smart... That was like the first moment for me where I was like, where Jean Smart was making this comeback, and I was like, fuck, I've missed Jean Smart so much. She is so damn good in that show.
Starting point is 00:57:10 And Regina King, obviously, but... Yeah, I mean, and this isn't you, but gay men in general, we love a woman when she's brand new and young, and we love her old, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. People a couple years ago were like, I fucking always loved Laura Dern. I'm like, for two decades, you didn't. were you where were you during the dark days
Starting point is 00:57:29 where were you during the cold distant times where the hollywood wouldn't even answer the phone for laura dern they're like call us when you're 60 you know what i mean like no no no you better be 20 and wet or a death door we have fucking nothing and wet or our death door. We have fucking nothing to do with it. 20 and wet. It's actually quite queer I would say to stand someone in their middle career, middle era. Like I am newly obsessed with Melanie Linsky. Melanie Linsky, now that I'm watching Yellowjackets
Starting point is 00:57:58 finally, I'm like, wow. I will watch every single interview you do. I will listen to that crazy Kiwi accent. She's so damn good. I love her so much. She's genuinely one of the best actresses working. I mean, she can do anything. And she has.
Starting point is 00:58:14 And that's what I love about an actress like that popping off is just that, like, thank God. That's why you stick with it, is so that you can one day look back like she could literally get like lifetime achievement award honestly with everything that she's done under the radar and now i under the radar i hope she wins the emmy like i know people i hope she wins love like so many other of those i guess nominees but like come on give it up yeah i mean it's like um people like like melanie leslie you oh, wow, she's in But I'm a Cheerleader.
Starting point is 00:58:48 Or like she's in so many things. Sweet Home in Alabama. She's been in everything. Yeah. Everything. I mean, have you guys ever seen Heavenly Creatures, which was her movie that she was in with Kate Winslet when she was like, they were teenagers. And basically it's Peter Jackson and they play these like girls who are best friends in New Zealand. And they're like,
Starting point is 00:59:08 they end up like killing their parents. It's, it's, there's like, or they kill somebody. Um, I haven't seen it in a really long time, but it's like very intense.
Starting point is 00:59:17 And it's Melanie Linsky and Kate Winslet. And I remember there was like an interview at some point that was like heavenly creatures was an incredible experience, but it was really hard to see her then become kate winslet and i was still like you know doing my thing and like you know that movie like they were equally acclaimed like and it was just like that moment when you realize like oh i'm a character actress i'm not this leading lady like it's going to be the hard yards for me and the years for me and to see her now like get this moment is like yes thank god there's going to be a couple years where i'm updating my own wikipedia you know but you know who i always think that not to bring it back to i mean i worship her
Starting point is 00:59:56 i always think of rupaul because she basically and this is said with love she was like this huge massive star right icon and then for like a decade doing her own punchline not an not entertainment not doing anything punchline yeah almost yeah and then she showed up and she basically told a whole generation of people in case you forgot i am the most famous drag queen of all time and this newest generation said yes you are yeah when really like this is a complete compliment and i hope nobody you know you that you could have said rupaul at one time you could have said oh it's like a cultural flash really it's like a one-hit wonder yeah but same with michelle like michelle was in seduction which
Starting point is 01:00:36 i read her book before i did queen of the universe i read her book because i don't know michelle that well and i said i gotta go in with something she's best friends with all these drag queens and i don't even know we don't have that kind of friendship and I got to have something to talk to her about. So I'm going to read her book. And I like, she's in seduction, which toured for like two years,
Starting point is 01:00:51 major hits, giant festivals. And she's in such a bad contract with this girl group that she, she literally tours for two years with and leaves with nothing, no money, nothing, just owner masters. And then she has like a slow build through radio. And now she's a huge, massive star again. And I always think of them as like, because when I used to listen to the, what's the TV, the RuPaul podcast, they would talk about how in entertainment, you have to mentally be ready for ebbs and flows. Because it's the only way to be resilient. I mean, but you also can't sit there and wonder, am I in the apex of my career? Am I in the beginning? Am I currently in the end of it?
Starting point is 01:01:26 Because that's not helpful. And I think somebody like Melanie Linsky, they probably just at the time were like, well, I'm going to do my best work and just try to do my best work. And who knows? You know, if she hadn't been in Yellow Jackets, we would have been like, why hasn't she acted anymore? Even if she was currently acting, you know?
Starting point is 01:01:42 Totally, totally. Speaking of RuPaul, have you publicly made any statements about this season, or the winner at least? I just found out yesterday. Everybody knows this. If I'm not doing Pit Stop, I don't watch Drag Race. Everybody knows this. So I don't feel bad saying it.
Starting point is 01:01:59 And I couldn't do Pit Stop because of Trixie Motel and scheduling. They were basically like, you would have to watch the whole season in like two days. And I was like, there's no way. You're missed, but Bob is great. You are missed though. Bob's amazing. Monet's amazing. I pride myself on elevating
Starting point is 01:02:16 the pit stop to like a must watch post. And I'm just going to say whatever. But I love them both though. And I love doing the pit stop. I'll say this and everybody can drag me. I'm obsessed with all those winners. They are all amazing.
Starting point is 01:02:31 When it comes to Jinx, we are comparing Superman to a room full of Batmans. Yeah. Everybody's amazing. But Jinx is unbelievable. As far as talent, potent talent. Right. She's as funny as anyone. She's as far as talent. Potent talent. She's as funny as anyone. She's as beautiful as anyone. She can sing her face off.
Starting point is 01:02:51 You can lose to Jinx. Lose. And be like, I gave. She ate, but I gave. You know? But even though you didn't watch the season, like Trixie, she was clearly the frontrunner the whole time, andie she was like clearly the front runner the whole time and yet
Starting point is 01:03:05 she was still this compelling reality tv character that you would watch and she would be like very endearing in the workroom be like I don't know what I'm doing like she was very relatable even in her stature like it was so interesting and I loved it the whole time anyway we're we're very happy that she won no I gotta watch it I gotta watch it. It's really good. It's really good. She really does a great job. And the thing too, there's of course going to be controversy whenever the winner gets named, especially when everyone's this good.
Starting point is 01:03:34 It's a lip sync that determines the result. But a lot of people have been on and sort of upset about the fact that we are deciding the winner with these lip syncs if they're not going to quote unquote matter and i'm like at that point i'm like wow this fan base really goes in on the rules for all stars i'm like y'all this is a drag show and it's all stars rupaul's drag race we're
Starting point is 01:03:56 all here to have fun like the the people online like dictating it like it's like like calling flag on the play it is so funny to me because it's drag it's like everyone gets a chance to shine someone wins you all get money they all get paid to be on the show i mean i don't have to tell you guys that i understand what it's like for the audience to get mad when you win based on the rules yeah right like so it's also funny because it's it's a room full of people who've won these people don't even care if they win that much. I mean, let's be honest. These people have all won. These people have all proved that, and
Starting point is 01:04:30 this is also maybe shady, these people have all proved that winning also doesn't guarantee you a massive career. So, some of them have proved that winning is sort of it just happened and that's it. It's all of them individually. I've talked to all of them individually and all of them said, I had the best time and I'm so proud of what I did. They should. They should all be. And everybody's saying this is the best season. It's like of them individually. I've talked to all of them individually and all of them said I had the best time. I'm so proud of what I did.
Starting point is 01:04:46 They should, they should all be. And everybody's saying this is the best season. It's like the ultimate season. I just, um, would you do all winners if they did it again? If they asked,
Starting point is 01:04:54 no, not a gun to my head just because you really don't want to compete period at all. And I'm also like not good at it. I mean, part of being a star is knowing if you can't do fan cakes, don't raise your hand and say, let me do my fan cake. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:05:09 I would not do well. And some of those people are just flat out better drag queens than most people. I'm good at doing Trixie. I'm not good at doing Drag Race. I mean, maybe it's cowardly, but I don't want to do it because it's stressful and I wouldn't do well
Starting point is 01:05:26 no also you don't need it I mean like it has not limited you it has not limited you no and like needing it honestly watching the girls say they had so much fun that makes me want to do it because it's almost like I want to go to summer camp like yeah and I want to go of course like it's a fun opportunity and you do get to look incredible
Starting point is 01:05:42 and show yourself doing talent when it's an area that you really want to flex in but ultimately it's like even well i guess the thing is like they must have said something to them because you have to imagine that other queens do feel similarly to you which is like well if i come back like are you gonna make me look fucking stupid because that's what a reality show is and like you do it to the all-stars all the time like am i gonna come and show one look so they had to come and say like you will be in every episode we will i imagine they did approach you they did well they said hey uh and then you tell me not to tell anyone so i'm just gonna say it
Starting point is 01:06:15 they said hey we're doing we are doing it all winners and we know you don't really want to do it but you're in the family and we don't want you to feel excluded like if you want to do it we just want to extend the invitation we know you're going to say no and I said yeah I'm going to say no but I said thank you so much for inviting me you know that's cool because when I want to do something I always do it celebrity drag race the holidays like when I want to do it I always do it
Starting point is 01:06:36 but I just didn't want to do it I said I appreciate you guys asking because you know I love doing and like I consider myself a wow employee full time you're a wow girl i'm a wow girl i mean i love drug is and i and i i turn up for world of wonder i think they've just i mean they don't they don't give themselves flowers but they really change the world i mean they change the world i wouldn't have anything if they wouldn't have basically created an industry for me to
Starting point is 01:07:00 participate in you know yeah the other thing is uh in reality television you can't tell people there's no santa claus right so even if even if they didn't tell anyone we're gonna make everyone look talented yeah drag race if this if this if the american idol said these winners are the best singers in the world there's no way you would come back and they would ever make any of you look incompetent yeah because then you're going against the lore of the show. Exactly. So even if you flop, you're going to flop relatably, but you're not going to flop like, wow, you should have never won.
Starting point is 01:07:32 You know what I mean? That's not what would happen. Well, you should have never won. They should have said that to everyone as they're leaving. If you didn't win, I guess what we have to say to you is, wow, we're really rethinking a lot. It's also sort of a study. What I like about it is, and again, I haven't watched it. What I like about it is, it's a little bit
Starting point is 01:07:48 Hunger Games quarter quell. It's a little bit... Yeah, it is. It's people who are the best at their own thing, and we're throwing them into hypotheticals. And just for fun, we're going to compare and contrast. But nobody's better or worse than anyone. So does that not
Starting point is 01:08:04 convince you to go back then no i mean it's you guys drag race is really hard nobody talks about it of course it's really physically mentally hard and i operate best in an environment where i do whatever i want and nobody evaluates me and drag race is about doing what you're told and having it evaluated it's also like literally giving up your phone for a long time like not number one period the way you connect and communicate with other people like and the way that the fact that that's like such a part of it they take it from you the fact that you can't know what the news is you can't know top news you can't know that president biden has contracted covid yeah i mean you know it's it's
Starting point is 01:08:48 you don't get to read the trades you get to read the trades you don't know you're not gonna know what happens with emma watson next yeah and not to be gauche too but it's also um money i mean like even all stars three when i won even winning i think i lost money doing it because of the cancel and well when they said this was a two million dollar investment in the show i was like when I won, even winning, I think I lost money doing it because of the cancel. And well, I said this was a $2 million investment in the show. I was like, well, this makes that $100,000 seem like chumper chain.
Starting point is 01:09:12 Yeah, it's hard. And, you know, part of what makes drag race good is that the contestants are expected to basically imagine if you were cast in a superhero movie and it was your job to bring the costume and the special effects. Right. Right.
Starting point is 01:09:27 It's actually any of those drag queens really, I mean, any of those drag queens could wipe the floor with me. That I'm fine with. I'm fine with not doing as well as other people, but the work you guys, I have nightmares about. The preparation process of getting ready.
Starting point is 01:09:42 Kati and I don't even aspire to doing that good of drag. The runways this season, I would always ready. Kati and I don't even aspire to doing that good of drag. The runways this season, I would always watch the runways and I'd be like, I wouldn't even know who to call. It's truly wild. Preparation is like the most stressful part. It's the most stressful part.
Starting point is 01:09:58 Period. Preparation. For anything. Absolutely. The anticipation and, oh god, I hate rehearsing like are you guys rehearsals queens absolutely not yes and no i i literally have to go to a rehearsal after this and i'm really so scared i hate rehearsal so scared like honestly like i always like i'm rehearsing on tuesday for something and it it takes up 75 of my brain right now preparing to even rehearse um but once you do it i'm always grateful and i do sometimes enjoy the process but it's getting there and like yeah
Starting point is 01:10:33 the mental like gymnastics i believe in like going on going it off book and all that i believe in knowing your shit but i don't believe in pounding it until you hate it. And then, because you guys do stand up, right? Yeah. Not really, but yeah, kind of. Sometimes you go in too under rehearsed, but because you're on that like razor Tanya Harding blade, you actually perform better because you're like a little bit hysterics that you're not prepared. Right.
Starting point is 01:10:58 So I don't know. I also think it's bogus when people say, I do my best work last minute. I'm like, no, that's not true either. But, you know, I don't know. I don't know. You've just procrastinated. That's all.
Starting point is 01:11:11 That's what that means. When someone says they do their best work last minute. Yeah. And it's also, it's like a humble brag. It's like, yeah, I don't need to put in the time. It's like, okay, girl. Yeah, especially with stand-up. It's like, there's something in the adrenaline of having
Starting point is 01:11:25 to trust ball that does make you perform a little better and there's something in knowing your shit that makes you perform better it's the balance right i always feel like it's just great to know how like the when i've been out there i've been trying to get out there again and it's just like you really have to keep up your skills like learning how to communicate with an audience and that's the only thing that's like you know the pandemic like sort of like that is something that you miss like just that thing as a performer of just knowing like i am i i have this down enough and like i'm still speaking the same language as the audience but i'm feeling like it's still spontaneous and natural yes but it is you do need the reps for that but that's not rehearsal honey and honestly if like that that's you get something out of that we're
Starting point is 01:12:10 preparing to rehearse is just preparing to like stand in front of one other musician and be like okay hello there's that like thing too of like needing the musical director or whoever it is like the director of whoever it is like your people you're going to be working with like what are they going to bring yeah i'm sure you guys feel this anything live and especially on snl i can imagine but like you trust yourself to go out there you know the material and you trust yourself to go out there blind so whatever happens in the middle you're like why do i scare myself so much i trust myself to go out there and deal with it so yeah yeah with us you know it's it's that ideally by the time it's Saturday,
Starting point is 01:12:46 you are on that razor's edge and you've prepared just enough for it to feel somewhat spontaneous and new and it's not, it's still, the novelty is still there. But I will say,
Starting point is 01:12:54 I just, I got chills just thinking about it now. The moment that you were in the chair on Weekend Update before you get pushed out, the scariest feeling I've ever felt in my life and
Starting point is 01:13:07 it's it never gets easier it's only it's only the most terrifying sensation oh i hate it so much and yet it's like part of the joy of it yeah it also has to be the fact that you're literally getting pushed is that a little bit of it like they're gonna thrust you out there i mean like and you have and you have you have a mark. And you have a mark to hit. You have a mark to hit on the desk. There's tape. You have a mark to hit at the desk. And you have to catch yourself.
Starting point is 01:13:31 I do love the Weekend Update slide. I love that little thing when someone comes out and they have to find themselves. And also, I love when a performer can incorporate it. When Cecily, as the late Ivana Trump, comes out and she's like, and she's a little drunk. Like she incorporates the weekend update
Starting point is 01:13:48 slide into her character. Also, I know you guys probably try to make it seem like it's not much travel. To me, it looks like that chair sliding 10 feet. It really is like up next and you see this person swooped over, shooting. It's a long
Starting point is 01:14:04 travel. And you know what else? I was just talking to my friend about this. We were talking about DJing or whatever. I feel like I used to think, I can't wait to do the show and then find out if it's a good show afterward. Decide afterward if I did a good job. Whereas, not to be insane,
Starting point is 01:14:20 you decide what kind of show it is before it even starts. Like, you do say, tonight's going to be great and then it is before it even starts. Yeah. Yeah. Like really? Yeah. I got it. Yeah. It's going to be great. And then it is great.
Starting point is 01:14:29 You don't find out. I'm writing this down. I mean, it is. I mean, that, that I, what I try to remind myself of is like,
Starting point is 01:14:38 when you do go up there, it's going to be a moment in time and it's going to go how it's going to go. And then you're going to keep living your life. And literally no one's going to think about it except for you if you even let yourself so just go out there enjoy the moment let it be and then like understand that you know it's not that big of a deal like it's not that deep but that also varies and i think i used to pray for like a good performance or a good show sort of like you hope the weather's good you'd be like i hope tonight's good how are they out there are they
Starting point is 01:15:08 feeling it and then i would ask the performers in front of me how they are and honestly not to be psychotic i just think recently i'm like how they are before i got up there has nothing to do with me to do with you yeah like i decide what kind of show they are about to have, which is why late at night when you blame the audience and late at night when you're in bed, you're like, it was me.
Starting point is 01:15:29 I messed up. I, especially in comedy because you have to come out there shooting lasers and tell them exactly what's happening. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:15:35 You know? Right. Right. And it's almost like freeing to be like, wow, I can decide that I'm going to have a good show.
Starting point is 01:15:40 I don't have to hope it's good. And also a way that you can like feel, a way that you can like feel a way that you can agree to make that decision and not have it be about like you which is that like if you are having fun they're going to have fun so you may as well because that's literally the hack you could go out there and be not great but if you are having fun doing it and enjoying doing it, people are at least going to be like, well, we were glad to see them.
Starting point is 01:16:07 You know what I mean? Like, like afterwards, they're not going to be like, what a waste of our time because you came out here, didn't know your stuff and we're bad energy. Like at least bring the good energy. And then most of the time you can fool them if your shit was,
Starting point is 01:16:20 you know, a B plus that time. Yeah. And on top of that, if you do everything you meant to do out there but you don't have fun there's a glass ceiling of how good it can really be yeah yeah and i guess i mean i don't have to tell you guys this but i guess it's like for me it's how many years i've been performing and i feel like i'm just now realizing like good shows don't happen
Starting point is 01:16:41 to us like luck we we make the show good and we decide that before we go out there 100 and that's the key you know what when i quit drag and motels the way i'm going to be the tony robbins like tricksy and like wind pants yes uh if i ever get to do p-town again which i would love to do another full summer, I would love to do a headset, wind pants, Tony Robbins, the secret of you, the secret of success. That should be your next special, honestly. You doing a Tony Robbins thing. That would be so funny. Like PowerPoint.
Starting point is 01:17:19 But I'm weirdly selling timeshares at the same time. Yes, I love it. It should all funnel back to the Trixie Motel. And then it starts out, like, the best part is it's all in you. You don't need anything. But then as it goes, I'm, like, introducing items you do need. Yeah, of course. You know.
Starting point is 01:17:35 Love it. There's something to the Tony Robbins thing, but also, like, there should be, like, a comedy version of, like, a Brene Brown talk. A Brene Brown lecture about, like, vulnerability or something. But it's purely comedic and like fucked up and stupid. Like that kind of energy where someone is standing there
Starting point is 01:17:50 and they've been through it. You know what I mean? Like, and they're looking at you and this is what I want to share with you. And then it's like that slow pace.
Starting point is 01:17:58 That is so funny. I love that for Trixie. It's slow. I've always wanted to do it and I've always been waiting for the right time. But I think also like, sort of like, it's like wind pants and like a scrunchie sort of like,
Starting point is 01:18:09 sort of like the cut co knives. Like, why are you afraid of your own success energy? Wow. You know, and it's sort of like roasting to like, well, look at this woman in the front row.
Starting point is 01:18:19 She might not be pretty, you know, she might not be bright. You know, it's a formal thing. You cut the be bright. It's a formal thing. You cut the audience down. It's Scientology. I mean, I guess I'm saying I want to be a Scientologist.
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Starting point is 01:19:05 The Real Housewives of New York City. All new Tuesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. On Thanksgiving Day 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian.
Starting point is 01:19:32 Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him.. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzales wanted to go home
Starting point is 01:19:45 and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well.
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Starting point is 01:20:22 and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate delusional dreamer and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life.
Starting point is 01:20:48 Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app,
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Starting point is 01:21:22 and I'm a woman. I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby, journalist, sports reporter, basketball analyst, a wife, and I'm also a woman. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. See, athlete or not, we all know it takes a lot as women to be at the top of our game. We want to share those stories about balancing work and relationships, motherhood, career shifts, you know, just all the s*** we go through. Because no matter who
Starting point is 01:21:51 you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I, well, we have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty,
Starting point is 01:22:14 founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. I think it's time. I think it's time to move on to I Don't Think So, Honey. This is our one-minute segment where we take some time, a lot of time to rail against something in culture. Matt, do you have something? I do. I do. I do. I do.
Starting point is 01:22:33 And the thing is, this is going to be a little off the cuff, but I feel like I need to say it. Okay. Oh, I love that. Sometimes that's the best. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think Sony's time starts now. Okay.
Starting point is 01:22:44 I don't think so, honey, that I have an itch i think it's monkey pox now this occupies there's so much space in my brain of if literally right now just now on my neck i have a little bit of an itch that means for the next at least two hours i will fix it on having monkey pox isn't it it's really it's now become a thing where it's attacking our skin. And that doesn't sit right with me. I mean, this is something I'm getting the vax for. I hope the second shot this week. I somehow lucked into the first shot early and I feel crazy about it. But literally, I was out with other gay men sharing gay breath.
Starting point is 01:23:20 I know I said I was going to swear off gay men for the rest of the summer, but I was around others last night. And there was that little thought of that little tiny itch on your head. You're thinking it's monkeypox, and aren't we all afflicted right now with this sort of now? It's come into our mental space like the alien in Nope, a movie
Starting point is 01:23:37 I didn't get to see this week, but read up on in case you wanted to talk about it, but I don't think so, honey. The skin thing. And that's one minute. Comparing monkeypox to the alien in Nope. Spoiler alert. It's out there trying to get us. Now that's what I call monkeypox. That should be a CD.
Starting point is 01:23:53 All the songs that were popular at this time. It's the Renaissance album. And not to be damaged, but the people I keep seeing having it are really, really hot. And so part of me is like, until it comes to the fours and the fives like i'm cool you know what i mean until these people as hot as they are even people with open lesions on their face are not fucking me so like i think i'm cool for a while it's just so funny to see like a hottie with a little monkey pox like hi
Starting point is 01:24:17 i'm the face of this disease and it's like one little like erica iglesia small they're sounding the alarm the loudest because the scarring is going to affect the rest of their lives. Exactly. And I get a scar and I'll look the same. Yeah, for some of us, it could be punching up. You know what I mean? Yes! Finally I'll be symmetrical. You have to protect your
Starting point is 01:24:38 face because that retinol is popping. I was on the live with Bon the other day and your skin has never looked better, Diva. Thanks, Diva. Oh, but if you got your first shot, I mean on the live with with Bon the other day and your skin has never looked better Diva thanks Diva oh but you if you got your first shot I mean the second shot is just to like prolong the immunity but it's just as a it's not changing the um efficacy necessarily I'm feeling okay I got railed last night so you know what I mean like I'm not thinking about it like too deep but I but I'm concerned and every time I do have a little itch
Starting point is 01:25:05 i'm like oh well i shouldn't have i'm talked to that person or left the home did he did he fuck you're scratching your neck did he fuck your neck area like what's the deal that man fucked my neck bowen he came over here and fucked my neck people need to start talking about it you put a cock right here at the back of your neck, rub it like firewood, hun. And worth it, diva. Yeah, remember when fucking people's skin folds was considered safer sex? Not anymore. The frotting of it all.
Starting point is 01:25:32 You can't even frot. Frotting is the highest risk practice. Damn. There you go. I think you're okay. I'm okay. It's time for the diva dolls I don't think so honey Bowen Yang one of America's
Starting point is 01:25:51 forefront young female stars she is an Emmy nominee she is shining bright retinol is doing her so well she's actually on a film set right now she's live from a film set and it's She's live from a film set and it's time for her.
Starting point is 01:26:07 I don't think so, honey. And your time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Advertising things as flushable wipes. I just found out about Fatbergs. Do y'all know about Fatbergs? It is these clumps of fat that are in the sewers
Starting point is 01:26:24 that are basically like clumps of paper and like flushable wipes. It's almost all flushable wipes that are blocking the sewers. They are literally, Google it, and I'm so sorry, but you have to Google this so that you never once again flush anything down the toilet that's not toilet paper. Fatbergs are all flushable wipes and they are destroyed that i don't have anything besides that to besides this warning to tell everybody you cannot flush these things down the toilet it's like saying if um it's like saying you know monkey poxless dick if if you have monkey pox it's it's it's you cannot do it It is actually destroying the infrastructure that makes society function. If the sewers go, then everything goes.
Starting point is 01:27:09 That's key. That's the truth. And that's one minute. Let's have that conversation. The fact that you on Los Colores just said if the sewers go, everything goes. The fact that that's where we're at as a country. I have to say, you have shook me to my core.
Starting point is 01:27:26 And I don't know if I'm willing to give up the flushable wipes. And I think this is my Taylor Swift core emissions moment. Wait, do you have a tushy? No, mama. I don't have a tushy. Okay, get a tushy. Get a sponsorship for this podcast. Get a tushy.
Starting point is 01:27:41 You will never have to buy toilet paper again. You never even have to touch your own asshole. I love it. I want to, though. That's when I feel the most like i want to finger myself too like right after i shit yeah because you're like oh i'm like oh vacancy you know i yeah i know i'm safe here yeah oh vacancy all right well this this is tricksy mattel's I Don't Think So Honey. Trix, are you ready? Yeah. Your time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey signatures.
Starting point is 01:28:10 Why are we pretending like my signature is some seal that no one could duplicate? Right. Oh, well, he signed it, so it's authenticated. We all know the alphabet. We all have the same four names. Even if I don't i know how to spell bowen like why are we pretending this isn't laura angles wilder this isn't benjamin franklin this isn't the declaration of independence the fact that we think a signature writing your
Starting point is 01:28:36 name which is something you learn in kindergarten is a binding legal gesture what are we talking about like how is that? Well, I signed it, so I really meant it. What if someone else signed it? We all can write each other's names. We all can write anyone's name. 15 seconds. It would be like if we all had the same fucking bank account number.
Starting point is 01:28:56 Like, what are we talking about? Give me like a blood prick. Give me a little microchip in the hand. If your dog gets lost as a chip, give me a chip. Give me chips. And that's one minute you know thank you sometimes i'll go to a restaurant and the way that i'll sign my name anyone could have done it the way that i sign my name on those checks sometimes i just simply this you're gonna this is you're gonna be really freaked out i'll just take the pen and sort of do that i mean i'll, I'll draw a line and they'll accept it.
Starting point is 01:29:26 She's right. America has a problem. She's right and she's just saying. America has a problem. America has a problem. But Trixie, it seems like maybe you're speaking from a place of shame about your own signature. Like maybe you don't like the way it looks. You have a flop signature? No. Well, the kicker is I always wanted to be famous. I used to spend
Starting point is 01:29:42 my youth spelling. I'd write my name a hundred times a day we've all done that and then ultimately I got famous for a different name so that I want you to sign you should start signing
Starting point is 01:29:52 Steph Brian Furcus once in a while I'll have a brain Katya and I and she'll go I just signed the name Brian I go I guess run with it
Starting point is 01:29:59 like write your real name authenticate that come on checks and stuff you must write your real name I mean Brian Furcus is probably a name that gets used all the time and we just don't know it's a great name nobody has my name and it is nice for that reason like my partner's name is david silver which i there's probably a billion matt rogers here yeah yeah so i just think city teachers
Starting point is 01:30:20 are bogus i'm always like why is this proving it's me? What is that? What is that? I don't know. It's the only way we could have verified identities back in the day, as of 20 years ago, and now that we're in this brave new world, it feels like it's irrelevant. By the way, you saying gesture made me think
Starting point is 01:30:40 of that florist guy who was on Trixie Motel. Cobra Lily. The hottest guy I've ever seen in my life. Crazy. So his name's Jake. Follow him on the internet. At Cobra Lily. His flowers are beautiful and he is fucking gorgeous. It's always the florists and the jewelers that are the hottest gay men in the world, in any country. And they go, what is up with this? Jewelry and flowers. It's like the dainty,
Starting point is 01:31:04 pretty things that attract like the hottest flowers. It's like the dainty pretty things that attract the hottest people. It's crazy. Crazy. And sober people. And sober people. And they're at risk for monkeypox the most. There's something different about him. He's like, oh, he's sober. I'm like, oh, that's why he's hot and nice. Okay, got it.
Starting point is 01:31:19 And seems calm. Yeah. Hot, nice, seems calm, functional. He's sober. Oh no, sober people are definitely insane. And I think they'll admit it. They'll admit it. You heard it here first.
Starting point is 01:31:33 Well, this was yet again another fucking blockbuster. The series Trixie Motel, all the episodes are streamable now and you can stay in the goddamn hotel and when I tell you I mean it's I'm a look I'm looking at November
Starting point is 01:31:49 if you guys actually want to come can you tell us when and we could probably work out some kind of like block off the days for you so you can get the space for yourself and your friends you know we'll be in touch okay okay
Starting point is 01:32:04 from Rayos to here to all over the world We'll be in touch. Okay. Okay. Don't spread me. From Rao's to here to all over the world. Congratulations on your continued success. People love your pod and you just keep it so fun. Icon. Well, thanks for coming back. Podcasting is fun. It is.
Starting point is 01:32:20 It is. We end every single episode, Bowen Yang, with a song. I was waiting to see if you'd have the instinct. You're red. You're the ultimate. Yes. Automatic. I'm sure of it.
Starting point is 01:32:38 No lies. Don't even try. Tell me that you're not the guy Cause I've been waiting all my life For someone just like you You're it You're the ultimate you Why was that in your head? Because there are a couple songs on the album
Starting point is 01:32:57 On the double LP That are giving Freaky Friday And that's why you listen It's an amazing soundtrack no fucking skips on that one and stream the blonde and pink albums and stream the blonde and pink albums yes no skips swear to god
Starting point is 01:33:14 swear to god bye we love you Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. I was a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dreamer.
Starting point is 01:33:44 Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski. And we are super excited to tell you
Starting point is 01:34:00 about our new show, Dudes on Dudes. We're spilling all the behind scene stories crazy details and honestly just having a blast talking football every week we're discussing our favorite players of all times from legends to our buddies to current stars we're finally answering the age old question what kind of dudes are these dudes we We're going to find out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his
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Starting point is 01:35:01 iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Sheryl Swoops. And I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tariqa Foster-Brasby,
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