Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "A Piece of Gay Information" (w/ Solomon Georgio)

Episode Date: July 3, 2019

Girlfriend, Solomon Georgio is so on. Matt and Bowen are joined by Solomon to discuss drawing your own superhero porn as a child, Drag Race, Marianne Williamson and Renata Klein's twice a week coffee ...dates in a parallel universe. Plus, on the heels of the first Democratic debate, they pose the question: do celebrities know that teeth come in medium?---MERCH! MERCH! GET YOUR LAS CULTURISTAS MERCH!https://www.teepublic.com/stores/las-culturistasSUBSCRIBE ON APPLE PODCASTS TODAY!CONNECT W/ LAS CULTURISTAS ON FACEBOOK & TWITTER for the best in "I Don't Think So, Honey" action, updates on live shows, conversations with the Las Culturistas community, and behind-the scenes photos/videos:www.facebook.com/lasculturistastwitter.com/lasculturistasLAS CULTURISTAS IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST. LAS CULTURISTAS IS PRODUCED BY EMMA FOLEY.http://foreverdogproductions.com/fdpn/podcasts/las-culturistas/ Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:31 Girlfriend, you are so on. And I would tell a girlfriend, you are so on. My first call would be to the Prime Minister of New Zealand. And I would tell a girlfriend, you are so on. She's out of a fucking Tennessee Williams play. It's Missy Pyle doing a Tennessee Williams character. It's a gift to Cecily Strong. It's a gift to Cecily Strong. It's a gift to Cecily Strong.
Starting point is 00:02:47 It is Mary, it is Cathy Ann. Well, I'm upset because I actually did that bit a lot on stage in 2013. I was doing Marianne Williamson all around town. You could see me at the pit. I was doing Marianne Williamson down. Down, honey. I created Marianne Williamson. I am Marianne Williamson.
Starting point is 00:03:02 I was the first Marianne Williamson. I'll be the last. I'll be the first Marianne Williamson president. And if you tell me no, I'll say goodbye to you all alone. Marianne Williamson. I am Marianne Williamson. I was the first Marianne Williamson. I'll be the last. I'll be the first Marianne Williamson president. And if you tell me no, I'll say good-bye to you on my own. Marianne Williamson, if you're listening. Oh, if you're listening. Donald Trump, if you're listening. Can you even believe?
Starting point is 00:03:15 The vixen, honey. The vixen. The vixen thought she was the vixen. Honestly, now all of this backlash is coming out like, oh, she's an anti-vaxxer, which is not totally true. She's just like new agey enough where she called it Orwellian and draconian. Thank you for saying that it's not necessarily true because it's not necessarily true. It's not necessarily true. She's just one of those people who's like, the pharmaceutical industry is throwing pills at you every day for stuff that you don't need pills for.
Starting point is 00:03:40 She's one of those people, which is still problematic, but whatever. And then her whole AIDS thing during the 90s where she allegedly said that gay men get AIDS from hating themselves or whatever. But that is not as dissonant with this whole thing
Starting point is 00:03:56 that apparently she started some AIDS support thing in 89 or something. There's so much misinformation out there. You clearly have the fucking bibliography on her I just know that she said some kooky dooky stuff I went down this rabbit hole because people are
Starting point is 00:04:09 this is this there is some kind of like telephone game kind of thing that's going on because and honestly let's say that she is homophobic an ex-homophobe and she is this fucking anti-vaxxer honestly I'm saying who
Starting point is 00:04:26 fucking cares because she's just a fun anita bryant she's a fun bigot in that case anita bryant was like it's like if anita bryant chilled for mimosas instead of orange juice it's like it's so fun she's you're drunk she's she's a wine mom who's running for president she's into crystals and sage and shit and i love it we're We're net positive on Marianne Williamson. I'd say it's a gift to us all. It's the new Adele Dazeem is a hundred percent Marianne Williamson. When she said, girlfriend,
Starting point is 00:04:54 you are so on. And when she turned to the camera and said, I'll fight with love and Donald Trump, I'll see you on the field. I'll meet you on that field. And love will win. And love will win. I was like,
Starting point is 00:05:04 okay, we need to see her for at least two more debates. I need her. Get rid of God, Tim Ryan, the penis with that suit on. Penis with the suit on. Him, he's gotta go. And honestly, Hickenlooper didn't even register. Hickenlooper was bad. Andrew Yang
Starting point is 00:05:17 has big checking Raya during the breaks energy. We're a fucking tie. Oh my God, checking Raya during the breaks. He's married. I've seen him on Raya several times. Andrew Yang? I know he's been on Raya. For the gays? All I'm saying is he has big Raya energy.
Starting point is 00:05:34 He looked to me like... I don't know what you're talking about. He looks like a Raya date. Are you alleging that Andrew Yang... I'm not alleging nothing. I'm saying he has the energy, honey. And having the energy of something is way different than doing it. It's actually rule of culture number 17. Having the energy of something is way different from doing it.
Starting point is 00:05:50 And of course, rule number 19 of culture is girlfriend you are so on. Girlfriend you are so on. Wait, can you even believe? Girlfriend you are so on. Girlfriend youO own Girlfriend USO own When she came through with girlfriend USO own Who knew that this would be The big Marianne episode Oh my god
Starting point is 00:06:14 I didn't think, and I'll say this I knew some people close to me in my life Who when she announced her candidacy they said I'm all in And I was like y'all are kooks But I'm a bigger fan today than I was yesterday. There you go. Love was such an easy game to play. Because it was an easy game to play yesterday.
Starting point is 00:06:33 But now today, love will win. Love will win. On the field. Our guest just came from a viewing of Yesterday by Danny Boyle. I did. What? Okay, I have so much to say about this movie
Starting point is 00:06:46 and my cartoonishness. But you gotta know, this is a Danny Boyle stamp. Bitch. I am. Well, okay. We can talk about that.
Starting point is 00:06:53 We'll talk about it. But first of all, we're already speaking about the guest. I don't know who this is. It's a girlfriend and he is so on. Girlfriend, you are so on.
Starting point is 00:06:59 And I need to know what he's on. What he's on. Tell me what he's been on, what he's written on. Our guest, oh, truly, truly a full dynamo. Our guest, oh, truly, truly a full dynamo.
Starting point is 00:07:07 I've loved him for so long. Ever since I saw his Comedy Central half hour, he recorded. When did you see it first? This was three years ago with Joel. This is Joel's class,
Starting point is 00:07:16 Joe Firestone's class. You know, when I met this person. Who? Where, where? When we were JFL New Faces. You guys were JFL New Faces class?
Starting point is 00:07:23 We were in year. Oh my God, I love that. And that's when we first met. New Faces you guys were JFL New Faces class we were in year oh my god I love that and that's when we first met and Guy Branum said to me I think the gays are gonna go out and I said
Starting point is 00:07:31 who are the gays he said me you and Solomon I love that and then Solomon Solomon and I it's not the same trenches but Solomon and I
Starting point is 00:07:38 were the gays for two dope queens yes in the last season gay queens me Solomon and Josh Sharp now what else has this person been on?
Starting point is 00:07:46 This person's been on. Girlfriend. Where's his girlfriend been on? Girlfriend's been on. Okay, so Solomon, we said his name already, but our guest is a writer for so many great shows.
Starting point is 00:07:59 High Fidelity crashing the next season of Shrill even. We love that very much. And he's going on tour. The Diva Tour. crashing the next season of Shrill even. We love that very much. And and and and he's going on tour. The Diva Tour. The Diva Tour. It's called Diva. Oh my god. Have you seen the imagery of this? I have in fact and I always think our guest's imagery
Starting point is 00:08:14 is on point. Stunning. Thank you. Girlfriend's been owned. Girlfriend's been owned. Oh thank you. It starts July 5th. Kicks off in DC. Serving you the angles. At Draft House. Serving you angles. Contouring. Looks tailor made custom singular I would say when you
Starting point is 00:08:29 hear Rihanna sing you know it's her and when you see Solomon's face you know it's her so please welcome to your ears Solomon Giorgio hello hi Solomon it's wonderful to see you outside of the crunch green point thank you yes we ran into each other at the theme
Starting point is 00:08:45 I was trying to get your attention And you were doing the I don't know anyone else here Well I would actually Do you know what I was listening to? Fifth Harmony in my ears And I was kind of singing a little bit And then we had a brief conversation and then as I walked away I was like I wonder how outwardly I was singing Fifth Harmony it could have been
Starting point is 00:09:01 I didn't hear it otherwise I would have joined in Yeah right Was it pre or post Camilla? It actually was pre Camilla. Or pre Camilla exit, I should say. Pre Camilla exit. I don't necessarily recognize Fifth Harmony as a thing post Camilla.
Starting point is 00:09:13 I don't know how the queens feel. They had some fun songs in that last album. Did they? Yeah. Which ones were fun? There's one that goes, He got that bing bing bing. He got that boom boom boom.
Starting point is 00:09:24 Okay. That was really good. Yeah, it was so, yeah, it was really, he got that boom boom boom. Okay. That was really good. Yeah, it was so, yeah, it was really, yeah, that was a great song. That was a banger. We can really tell by the energy
Starting point is 00:09:30 which was just performed at chart topper. It's know this. It's know this. If you could take my pulse right now, you could feel just like a sledgehammer. That was the first time I ever heard Fifth Harmony.
Starting point is 00:09:43 I was like, what the fuck is this? They're good I actually watched their season of X Factor you did so I actually bought the
Starting point is 00:09:49 727 the Miss Moving On Miss Moving On yes who was their coach Simon Simon so Simon
Starting point is 00:09:59 this is actually interesting so the two big girl groups now I would argue are Fifth Harmony and Little Mix both came from X Factor Simon Powell yes indeed no no little mix wasn't simon little mix was not simon little mix was tulisa tulisa never forget tulisa although many have many have many people didn't even know who she was maybe people at this table maybe even meg didn't know who tulisa was i didn't
Starting point is 00:10:21 know who tulisa was hpm was shaking her goddamn head She didn't know who Talisa is Well But then What did Fifth Harmony cover again While they were on the show They did some great Little reinterpretations You watched the season
Starting point is 00:10:32 I did watch the season But I do not recollect Yeah cause they really Didn't really Pop They didn't pop The weird thing By NSYNC
Starting point is 00:10:40 No I'm saying They didn't really pop While they were on the show No that's what I'm saying Cause they didn't win their season They did not win They didn't win Famously A lot of the people that Really were on the show. No, that's what I'm saying. Because they didn't win their season. They did not win. They didn't win.
Starting point is 00:10:49 Famously, a lot of the people that really succeeded from the show, One Direction, did not win. Yeah. Fifth Harmony did not win. Also, The Beatles. The Beatles didn't win. The Beatles didn't win X Factor. True. And they did fine. And they did pretty good.
Starting point is 00:10:59 No, because for me, Fifth Harmony was a blip on my radar during the Britney meme of it all, where the Fifth Harmony got to advance to the next round, and then they cut to Britney, and she just makes that face of like, what the fuck? Yeah. You know what I'm talking about? So you watched that season. That was Britney and Demi? Yes.
Starting point is 00:11:16 Yes. And there was a lot of crying for Demi. That's for sure. Well, Demi might have been in the throes of it. Oh, she was like right in the mix of it all. Yeah. She was on the verge, on the edge,
Starting point is 00:11:27 on the cliff. On the verge, on the edge. She was gonna go through it. You know, I saw Normani perform the other night. Yes, that's right. Normani is that bitch. Really?
Starting point is 00:11:33 I've heard of Normani. I've not seen her perform yet. Normani sings that song with Sam Smith. Dancing with a stranger. Oh, yes. And Normani sings a song with, um,
Starting point is 00:11:42 oh, what's his face? She be featuring. She be featuring she be featuring she's on tell me what your love lies that's her you know what I saw was Daya the other day oh I love Daya it took me a moment to realize her songs were not Rihanna
Starting point is 00:11:56 but she's great and I think she like she's like into comedy Daya's into comedy I think she like whatever this is such a this is such a a non-brag truly because I but I love Daya but like she followed me and I whatever this is such a this is such a a non-brag
Starting point is 00:12:05 truly because I but I love Daya but like she followed me and I was like on Twitter I was like oh cute and then I went to go see
Starting point is 00:12:10 who all she was following and she like just follows like a bunch of like comedy folks and I'm like what's wrong with her is she okay
Starting point is 00:12:16 she's probably she's troubled she has troubles great musician terrible taste terrible taste and follows who's she following
Starting point is 00:12:23 Patty Harrison yeah sure And the like Wait we have to talk about something He just pointed to me with a rage Matt Rogers got the follow of all follows on Instagram I wasn't going to bring this up I'm bringing it up I brought up my gross follow
Starting point is 00:12:36 This is not a gross follow Maren Morris follows Matt Rogers on Instagram Do you know Maren Morris? Sometimes I don't know things Really? Oh my god follows Matt Rogers on Instagram. Do you know Maren Morris? Sometimes I don't know things. Okay. Really? Let me educate you. Why don't you just meet me in the middle? Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:12:49 The one who took the song that no one else wanted. Yes, but made it into gold. Made it into gold. Did you watch that New York Times feature where they just kind of talked about the process of picking the person who would sing that? She's got an amazing voice. We've watched her for so long.
Starting point is 00:13:02 We have loved Maren Morris. No, she's an amazing singer. She's an incredible singer. And songwriter and really good and so we saw her at Bowery Ballroom on the first album
Starting point is 00:13:09 and this was pre the middle pre like huge mainstream pop success but fucking Maren Morris Maren Morris I love Maren Morris so she went to your highlights to see your Taylor Swift
Starting point is 00:13:19 Lover soundtrack parodies and then she DMs you cause Matt sent me the screenshot you are so fucking funny and I told her back I was like I'm obsesseds you because Matt sent me the screenshot you are so fucking funny and I told her back I was like I'm obsessed with you I was like me and all my friends wanted to go see you at Bowery I was like we were obsessed
Starting point is 00:13:32 oh my god this Maren fucking wrote second win for Kelly yes that's true that's true that's true this Kelly connection come on Matt it's beautiful I should work Maren to Kelly that's another thing I see at our gym all the time is the commercials for Kelly's new talk show.
Starting point is 00:13:47 Oh, wait. You've seen commercials for it? Yes. I've seen no commercials for it yet. I feel like RuPaul is everywhere right now. I'm just on the treadmill watching those. So you're up on the treadmill in the gym. Okay.
Starting point is 00:13:58 Treadmill queen. Can I tell you, cardio is hard for me now. I hate it. Yeah. And I still do. Yeah. I mean, I used to be a cardio queen. Look. I hate it. Yeah. And I still do. Yeah. I mean, I used to be a cardio queen.
Starting point is 00:14:07 Look, I'm aging, so my body is for sure going to fall apart. As we all are. So I must, I must do the cardio part. Cardiovascular health isn't,
Starting point is 00:14:14 and like it's imperative the closer you are to 40. So when you get on the treadmill, what are you doing? A couple miles? Well, I'm actually do the elliptical. Oh,
Starting point is 00:14:21 the elliptical. And I do the stair master. Oh, okay, bitch. Oh, you got to work them legs. And I usually, it's disgusting, but I do about an elliptical. Oh, the elliptical. And I do the stairmaster. Oh, okay, bitch. Oh. You gotta work them legs. And I usually,
Starting point is 00:14:27 it's disgusting, but I do about an hour or so. You do? A total of cardio. Yeah. That's so hardcore. Well, I don't do high impact, so it's great.
Starting point is 00:14:36 But still, that's like patience. That's like mental, like, okay, we're here. Well, I have like the internet with me at all times. I know, but. I'm just like watching Bob's Burgers
Starting point is 00:14:45 and climbing upstairs. I'm fine. I have a question, though. I'm surviving. So when you're doing the elliptical, how do you plug in so that you can hear
Starting point is 00:14:50 what's going on on the TVs? Or are we just supposed to watch? Oh, you're supposed to have one of those old headphones without the dongle thing. I can't believe this. And plug it into the treadmill. Yes, and plug it into the treadmill.
Starting point is 00:15:00 And I... Look, it's... First of all, the only thing they're showing on that TV is Supernatural. It's truenatural which is on all day long on every channel
Starting point is 00:15:08 yes I'm there during the day during the week and so it's like I get a lot of like the daytime TV so I am gonna be I guess when Kelly's show
Starting point is 00:15:15 does debut I guess I'm gonna be you'll be right there how does the show look the Kelly Clarkson daytime show it looks so simple
Starting point is 00:15:23 and so fun and that's the only reason that I actually want to plug in my headphone because I can tell she's singing in the commercial. Yes, that's the thing. And I want to know what she's singing. See, my whole thing is I was nervous about her doing a daytime show because I didn't want her to stop singing.
Starting point is 00:15:33 But it feels like singing is going to be very much part of the show. An element of it. But it feels like it's been sort of under wraps for so long. Whereas with RuPaul, it was like what a quick turnaround that was. Yeah, RuPaul's also had some interesting guests. But RuPaul's also had a talk show before. Sure, that's true. This is Kelly's first talk show, so everyone's like, you have
Starting point is 00:15:52 to learn how to do this first. Totally, totally, totally. Do we know? I think it's abused in September. Everything I say in there? Yes, I believe so. And wasn't it like, didn't they start taping it like in the fall of last year? Well, I had a mole that was at the pilot taping. Uh-huh. The mole reported to me.
Starting point is 00:16:08 The mole had said, what the mole had said was that she talks a lot. Yeah. And that she was obviously a natural, but it was her first time doing it, so the pilot taping was long. Yeah. But that they had a lot. Like apparently they shot a lot of segments. Okay. So that they could cut it down and have the best of the best. Got it. that they had a lot. Like, apparently, they shot a lot of segments so that they could cut it down
Starting point is 00:16:27 and have the best of the best. But they did a lot. Like, bitch was, you know, playing with a snake. Bitch was talking about human interests. Bitch had celebrity guests on the couch. She was singing, twerking, you know. She was twerking?
Starting point is 00:16:38 Well, no, I just... Fingers crossed. Fingers crossed. She has that big Greek booty in her words. She's Greek? She's Greek Oh so you guys Really do have so much in common
Starting point is 00:16:48 Are you Greek as well? I am Greek That's why I have my ass Yes Wow I didn't know I didn't know Greeks had asses We do that's a thing
Starting point is 00:16:56 Is it really? There's literally statues Of them I know Have you ever seen a Greek statue? I have Literally And you know
Starting point is 00:17:04 It's just their big ass That was my first crush I know You know what God I mean Have you ever seen a Greek statue? I have. Literally. And you noticed their big ass. That was my first crush. I know. You know what? Oh, God. I mean. Was the statue of David like a normal person? Yeah, honestly, with his little penis.
Starting point is 00:17:13 I mean. Sorry. The first, truly the first. The first. David has a small penis. It's actually real culture number 101. David has a small penis. Okay.
Starting point is 00:17:23 I think that penis is just, it's flaccid and I think we should embrace them. We should embrace them. Yeah, I guess we won't know until someone gets David hard. I would get horny
Starting point is 00:17:33 to art books. I would. My mom would buy these giant coffee table books with Greek statues and shit. It was beautiful because I would learn art and I would appreciate
Starting point is 00:17:41 art and aesthetics and I could talk about oh, and this is this era and this era. And then I'd be like, oh, and I'm also appreciate art and aesthetics and like I could like talk about like oh and this is this era and this era and then I'd be like oh and I'm also horny for this for you know
Starting point is 00:17:49 the one with the god the dad with the snakes and then yes yeah that one with the flinging children with flinging children
Starting point is 00:17:56 yeah whatever that one the dad with the snakes that's what it's called I had those art books as well and I also had the figure drawing books and that's also
Starting point is 00:18:03 how I drew my own porn I I drew my own porn I would draw my own porn too you're an LL you used to I was a big draw I drew all the time and I was obsessed with like I but also my brothers found all my drawings once
Starting point is 00:18:17 shut up and were they erotic male drawings oh yes but also some of them were their favorite superheroes so they're like I'm to have this for my room. So they didn't realize it was like... Oh my God. So yeah, they learned a lot about... Well, I had one that I was particularly proud of,
Starting point is 00:18:32 which was the Hulk's bottoming for Spider-Man. What? You could vividly draw that? Yes. The Hulk bottoming for Spider-Man? With the web sling on. Spider-Man mask the mask on. Spider-Man mask on.
Starting point is 00:18:46 Yeah, the detail you go into. I would spend hours. Wow, you're a talented artist. Well, you didn't see the art. You don't know yet,
Starting point is 00:18:53 but I am very good. In order to vividly draw that and you know what it is, you'd have to be good. Was it just line drawings or would you color? Like you would color it? I wouldn't color. Got it.
Starting point is 00:19:00 I would just pencil sketches and they were just very as detailed as possible. So it really did affect my younger brother so that's amazing you know what I did was I would so this is actually this actually like sparked like whatever like storytelling creative instincts whatever but I would like
Starting point is 00:19:13 draw my own animes and then I would like like create stories out of them and plot points and stuff and I would put them in like photo albums and I would like cut out the drawings and put them in photo albums and like write down like oh this is what happens in this part of this season. You know like it was kind of fun. Oh my god I did the same thing.
Starting point is 00:19:29 Yeah? In high school I had a whole series called Tales of the City. Tales of the City? IP. Something else. But it was like a story? I took like three girls that I knew in high school and I turned them into these alien characters and I would like update the story as much as possible I love that
Starting point is 00:19:45 based on what was going on in real life? no not based on it was sort of like a weird dystopian nonsense sort of story about three separate species
Starting point is 00:19:52 in an alien race and this one dumb idiot that follows them around wow you were a comic book tree star I love comic books you love comic books?
Starting point is 00:20:01 yes would you say it's the culture that made you say culture is for you? no yes? oh yeah that's a good one no we talked about this because we talked about Dark Phoenix the other day You love comic books? Yes. Would you say it's the culture that made you say culture is for you? No. Yes?
Starting point is 00:20:06 Oh, yeah, yeah. That's a good one. No, we talked about this because we talked about Dark Phoenix the other day. I did. I'm obsessed with comic books when I was a kid. I especially, but also, we also mispronounce a lot of their names for the longest time.
Starting point is 00:20:17 Oh, sure. Like, oh, yeah, just at home. Oh, yeah, we were like, I think it was until we saw the X-Men cartoon that we're like, oh, it's not pronounced Ragoo. Okay. Raghu. Okay. Raghu. Rogue?
Starting point is 00:20:28 Yes. Oh, my God. For years. For years. No. That's so funny. That's like I used to call Hermione Hermione. Because I had a fourth grade teacher who said Hermione.
Starting point is 00:20:38 But it makes sense. It makes sense. In Montreal, I would call the Return of the Jedi. I saw Return of the Jedi. And then I would say, La Retourne de the Return of the Jedi. I saw Return of the Jedi. Then I would say, La Retourne de le Jedi. Le Jedi. Le Jedi.
Starting point is 00:20:50 La Retourne de le Jedi. Le Jedi. Yeah. So that's Roku. Oh, yeah. We fucked up so many words. We were ESL. We couldn't help it.
Starting point is 00:20:59 There you go. Did you see the new Dark Phoenix? I have not seen it yet. We discussed it the other day. We discussed it the other day. I'm going to watch it, but it'll probably be not until it's playing. On a plane.
Starting point is 00:21:08 Oh, on a plane. You think it's a plane film. So I saw it with Sam Taggart and Misha Townsend and Julio Torres. And how did you all feel? We all went in being like, it's going to be so bad. It's going to be so stupid and terrible.
Starting point is 00:21:18 And honestly, not unenjoyable of a film. Did Sophie turn and give it to you? Sophie started out kind of like rocky. You're turn and give it to you? Sophie was, Sophie started out kind of like rocky. You're like, oh no,
Starting point is 00:21:27 can she do this? Can she like carry this movie? And I think she does a pretty good job. Really? And like, it's like a fully like soulless film,
Starting point is 00:21:35 but it's like beat by beat. It's like entertaining and you're like, okay, I'm like engaged. I'm not like looking at my phone. Like,
Starting point is 00:21:41 and then it's like two, two hours and 20 minutes and like it can lose like 35 minutes. Oh, really? But it's an unenjoyable film, but completely unnecessary. Yeah, okay. So that's what's up.
Starting point is 00:21:53 Well, for me, the last set of X-Men movies have been the most insane set of films I've ever seen because it's truly everyone, they go, hey, you know that secondary character that we decided not to build up very well? Well, they're now the star of the movie you're like what? it's also so weird to me that
Starting point is 00:22:10 they had to literally because of Jennifer Lawrence's fame they had to make Mystique a huge part of the movie and a good guy because she's really to be fair she's a big part of the comic is she really because in the original in the Rebecca Romijn cinematic universe which is what I call the originals, she's nothing.
Starting point is 00:22:26 Well, yes, in that set, yes. But if you're talking about the comic book, she is an influencer. She's a mother. Rogue's whole origin story is because of her. Really? Mm-hmm. So you would say that the Jennifer Lawrence cinematic universe does more justice to the comics than Rebecca Romijn cinematic universe? Look, neither of them do real justice to the comics.
Starting point is 00:22:45 Right, okay, I get it. But Mystique is a much bigger character in the comic books. I'm going to throw something by you. They come to your door and say,
Starting point is 00:22:53 we want you to write the X-Men movie. Is that something you're excited about? Yes. You should do that. Oh my God, I would fall apart.
Starting point is 00:22:58 You should do that. First of all, Storm would be in right front and center. They've always done Storm dirty. It's insane. A, the first movie with Halle Berry
Starting point is 00:23:06 where they were like, okay, don't do the African accent ever again. So wild. She had it and then she didn't. Hang on to something. It was a blessing in disguise. It was truly like, I love Halle Berry so much,
Starting point is 00:23:19 but an African accent is Black Actor 101. And if you can't do it, that's bananas. She wasn't even doing it. She did this weird, odd, stilted... Like this dying diplomat. Yeah, it was very strange. Although I find that Halle Berry has very modern gifts. She has modern gifts.
Starting point is 00:23:37 And then she did deliver, I think, one of the campiest lines in a superhero movie, which is, do you know what happens to a toad when it gets struck by lightning? The same thing that happens to a toe when it gets struck by lightning? The same thing that happens to everything else. You know, they paid Josh Whedon a lot of money to come in to write just that line. And it's a perfect line. It's very good.
Starting point is 00:23:57 It's the same thing as everything else. Also, Halle Berry, you can't say she doesn't fucking commit every single time. Remember that movie Kidnap? Oh, my God! Oh, my God! Oh, no! Literally, 90% of the dialogue in that movie is, oh, my God!
Starting point is 00:24:14 And then the 10% is, where's my phone? Where's my damn phone? Where's my damn phone? It is. I'll give her always great credit for that because she will never ever give nothing than 100% of her weight. Have you seen Introducing Dorothy Dandridge? Of course. That's a great performance.
Starting point is 00:24:31 I would even say her best performance. Really? Yes, absolutely. I think one of the greatest performances of all time is in BAP's Black African Princesses. Wow. I also think that's one of the best will reading scenes in a film. Will reading scenes. There's a scene at the end
Starting point is 00:24:46 where there's a will reading and they decided not to learn any legal jargon whatsoever. Being the characters or the actors? The writers, yeah. No one learned any legal jargon so what they decided to do instead is play this weirdly
Starting point is 00:24:59 knock off John Williams music as a lawyer slowly reads Oh no. And the couch goes to the mom and it's nothing but just reaction shots no words it's just reacting to the Will reading that's a way to get around it
Starting point is 00:25:16 that's actually a really smart track three minutes and it's so beautiful I cannot probably explain how much I love that hold on let me write that down in my moleskin that I carry writing tips writing Will's readings I cannot probably explain how much I love that song. Wow. Hold on, let me write that down in my moleskin that I carry. Writing is... Writing tips. Writing wills readings. That's perfect.
Starting point is 00:25:29 That is something they really would have taught us in writing schools. If you don't know how to do something, have it happen with no dialogue. There you go. No music. They really would have told us that. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. And that is great advice because it's just the most...
Starting point is 00:25:42 It's too entertaining. Like, I love anyone speaking while music is playing. That's just when I just hyper focus. I'm like, let me see what you can do with your face. Let me see you emote. But in this case,
Starting point is 00:25:51 it was just emoting with music and that was it. Yes. It was still compelling. And then right after that, they go right into the aftermath of everything where they opened a salon
Starting point is 00:26:04 that's half soul food, half hair. Perfect. It's really, I can't even. You can't even just, you can't even. And Halle Berry didn't falter a single time in that film. Of course not. What is the best comic book film that you, in your esteemed opinion,
Starting point is 00:26:21 since you are the comic book tree star? God, I'm not going to say that. I just know my share. I know that, but I look to you like an authority. Oh, now I'm an authority? Oh God. But you've been asked this. I have an opinion.
Starting point is 00:26:33 I have an opinion. Yes. You go first. Oh God, my opinion? Would you like me to give my opinion? Give your opinion first. Well, I think that the movie that captures the comic book spirit and also the cinematic whole thing of it before they got
Starting point is 00:26:45 too self-serious. I do love The Dark Knight, but my favorite comic book movie is the first Spider-Man with Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst. I was going to say,
Starting point is 00:26:51 the first Spider-Man is pretty great. I think it celebrates comic book energy and I think it was a thrilling film. And they had amazing chemistry
Starting point is 00:26:59 and there was a great villain and great performances all around. That's how I feel. My feeling, and I think it's because That's how I feel. My feeling, and I think it's because it just hits every note
Starting point is 00:27:09 that I like, is Batman Returns. Oh, great. That's an excellent answer. I think it gives me everything I needed, which is high camp, some great scenes,
Starting point is 00:27:17 a great, like, Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman is unapproachable. Academy Award nominee for me. And for, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:27:26 And like, there was something about the scene where she gets thrown down and you think she's dead. Just that moment of the cat licking her wounds. As a kid watching that, I'm like, this is doing something to me and I don't know what it is. It's a relentlessly adult movie. It's on the verge of being
Starting point is 00:27:42 campy and silly. But yet it still stays in that perfect it's that perfect Tim Burton realm when he first started that I just love so much. And I think Batman Returns is by far like I can't. I would agree. But in terms of just like a queer response to it like just as a kid being like wow why am I responding
Starting point is 00:27:58 to it. It's one of those things where like I don't know why I like this but I like it and then you get older and you're like that's why. Yeah. Because I'm who I am now. Because she's a gay icon and also the narrative of the rebirth but also keep in mind there's multiple gay icons in this movie of course every gay icon is there
Starting point is 00:28:14 the penguin is a queer icon like a black slime dripping out of his mouth queer icon that's just crazy the blood also do we think would we fuck Michael Keaton I think I
Starting point is 00:28:29 absolutely would every time right now no time machine needed they had good chemistry too they had sneaky chemistry they had sneaky chemistry where you're like I don't think this is what this is and then all of a sudden it is and you're like of course this is what it is Michelle and Michael Selena Kyle and Bruce Wayne in that movie it is and you're like of course this is what it is Michelle and Michael Selina Kyle and Bruce Wayne
Starting point is 00:28:45 in that movie their chemistry and it's like crazy and then there's that great scene at the end at the dance when they realize
Starting point is 00:28:51 when they're dancing together as their alter egos that they are who they are and then the dance becomes very intense it's a very good scene and the reason I love it a lot is that it's not that
Starting point is 00:28:59 damsel in distress love story no that's why it's so much better it's like now we're foes, but are we foes? Like, it's like, I love it.
Starting point is 00:29:07 Yeah, no, they cut the Kim Basinger of it all for that one. Totally. I did enjoy, not to bring it back to Dark Knight, but I did enjoy Anne as Selina Kyle,
Starting point is 00:29:16 Anne Hathaway. Oh, I thought Anne Hathaway was amazing. I thought she was the best part of the Dark Knight Rises. Definitely. Kind of, in my opinion. You're not a fan?
Starting point is 00:29:23 I love Anne Hathaway. Me too. It's just, that Catwoman was okay you know it's always gonna pale in comparison of course
Starting point is 00:29:30 that's the thing that's when my issue was her as the character was fantastic but Catwoman's presence in that film was just
Starting point is 00:29:37 you couldn't make her she had no interest in making either she or you know Anne Hathaway did a good Selina Kyle she did a good Selina Kyle she did a good Selina Kyle
Starting point is 00:29:45 but it was not like there was no interest in campiness or like making her like super fun but like she had great moments where it was like you know she gets like
Starting point is 00:29:53 held up by some guy and he's like do those heels hurt and then she stabs him with it kicks back and stabs him with it and she goes
Starting point is 00:30:00 I don't know do they like that's fun that is fun there are some fun moments she is the only fun thing about that movie. Yeah. But it's barely that.
Starting point is 00:30:09 It's not even that fun. And that almost makes it totally weird for me. Because that trilogy, it really strove to take the fun out of it. And make it dark. And I mean, there is a lot of darkness. And especially Dark Knight Rises is like fully fucking dark and of course there's you know the Heath Ledger of it all in Dark Knight which is fun to watch
Starting point is 00:30:30 and I'll never forget watching that movie for the first time but almost the goofiness of her lines and stuff like that made me feel like I like this the best but I can also understand it's a little tonally inconsistent there's a part of me
Starting point is 00:30:45 when I watch those where I didn't see in the first ones which were like, you were doing these absolutely insane things and you're treating it very seriously. Like, the fact that Bane's voice wasn't a joke. Yeah, it's crazy. The entire, I'm like,
Starting point is 00:30:59 how are you, are we messing with me? This is not intentional. That is not camp because it's not celebrating an intentionally bad you know intentionally bad taste
Starting point is 00:31:09 or something. No it's this somebody was like this sounds good. Totally. It's something someone said yes to. You know the thing is
Starting point is 00:31:16 it really is hard to do better than The Dark Knight. You know what I mean? It's like especially in terms of the iconic film that was The Joker. And now you even see
Starting point is 00:31:24 the new movies come out. the new Jokers. Like, although I do think this Joaquin Phoenix one looks interesting. Does it? Yeah, it does look interesting to me. But it'll never be what Heath Ledger was. I think we've given Joaquin Phoenix too much. I'm saying now. I don't disagree.
Starting point is 00:31:43 I'm just saying, like, when I saw the trailer, the trailer I was like okay if there had to be another take which remember Hollywood there always has to be another take so if there's gonna be another take this at least looks like one that I'm more interested in than that Suicide Squad bullshit oh that's true if you're gonna compare it to Jared Leto
Starting point is 00:32:01 yeah that's definitely of course I would want that instead and that's like a of course, I would want that instead. Although, yeah. And that's like a, you know, some tasteless person at a studio is going to be like, actually, can we make Jared more, you know, neon and colorful? And, you know, that's being filtered. Did you see it? Because I heard he was barely in it.
Starting point is 00:32:18 No, I didn't see it. I didn't see it. See, I didn't see it either. But some people that reported back from it said Jared Leto was in maybe 15 minutes of it. Really? You have so many moles. I have a lot of moles around town. They're my culturistas.
Starting point is 00:32:31 Moles who do things that you could absolutely do. Yeah, but no, I am actually confident. There aren't infiltrating spaces that you couldn't go in. I'm confident saying I don't have time to see Suicide Squad. It's actually rule of culture number 11. I don't have time to see Suicide Squad. It's actually rule of culture number 11. I don't have time to see Suicide Squad. I just want to say really quickly the costume designer for Dark Knight Rises was brilliant because the Catwoman ears being
Starting point is 00:32:49 her glasses is so fucking brilliant. That's from the comic book though. Oh really? Never mind. Damn. They have to construct it and it was a great idea. Also Marion Cotillard had an iconic death. She did. Wait oh yeah. Did you know she's famously so pissed
Starting point is 00:33:05 that they chose this take of her death scene? Yes. So she says, she literally is like, it's too late. And like, she literally is in the media being like, I just couldn't believe they chose that take. That was my Marion Cotillard. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:21 What were her other takes? She apparently died more naturally. Like apparently died like a million times more naturally like apparently she died a million times and they chose one and she was like back in the editing room like that was the best take
Starting point is 00:33:32 that was the best one we can really tell she died in this one but you know I actually one of my guilty guilty guilty pleasures is
Starting point is 00:33:41 those last two Batmans of the 90s oh yeah which were Batman Forever, which was iconic. Nicole Kidman as Dr. Chase Meridius with the one hair in front of her eye. The Val Kilmer of it all.
Starting point is 00:33:53 The introduction to Chris O'Donnell. Hotty Chris O'Donnell, twink of the year as Robin. That was introduction to thick butts and tight pants. Yeah, truly. And then we had, of course, the Batman Robin of it all, with George Clooney and Chris O'Donnell and Alicia Silverstone in the worst performance of all time.
Starting point is 00:34:09 And Uma Thurman. And Uma Thurman in the best performance of all time. First film I've ever seen in a theater. Me too, bitch! Yes, yes. Oh my God, me too. That was the first film, and that's why I probably love it till this day
Starting point is 00:34:19 was because it just felt right. I'll never forget going, maybe it wasn't the first one, but I distinctly remember going to the movie theater and watching it because I was so fucking hyped to see that movie. Like yeah. Yeah. I mean that was a good one. And I think I was a teen for that for sure.
Starting point is 00:34:34 My parents wouldn't let us go to the movie theater our whole lives and this was my own money and I got to go for the first time and I took my brothers with me. Oh I love that. And it was. As I told Lady Freeze when I pulled her cup Uma Thurman
Starting point is 00:34:48 and your name is Poison Poison Ivy Uma that is camp it's wild camp it's nothing but camp it's nothing but camp
Starting point is 00:35:00 and Chris O'Donnell peeling that fucking cover off his lips is like actually an iconic moment. Rubber lips. And she's like, and those suits had nipples on them.
Starting point is 00:35:11 And nipples, and they had nipples. And it caused an uproar. Yeah, because it was, well, you know, I guess what was the guy's name? Joel Schumacher? Yeah. He was like relentlessly gay on set.
Starting point is 00:35:21 Yes, and I love that. Apparently, like, I read this article that was, came out like just a few years ago. Oh, and I love that. Apparently, I read this article that came out just a few years ago talking about it. Was it like a Me Too level kind of thing? I don't know anything
Starting point is 00:35:30 about that. I'm not talking about that. You're waving this away. I'm waving that away. I don't know anything about it. I think there is an issue along those lines that we might have to confirm.
Starting point is 00:35:40 Well, the cultural stuff, you can chime in if you don't want to. I don't know. But what I am going to say, which I thought was funny, was he would climb to the top of his director's chair and say before every take, remember, you're in a cartoon.
Starting point is 00:35:52 Oh, and fucking Drew Barrymore. And what's her face? They were Sugar and Spice. Sugar and Spice. Oh, she's in Batman Forever. Yes, they were in Batman Forever. But there's that, oh God, there's a great actress. She's in Younger.
Starting point is 00:36:03 Oh, Debbie Mazur. Debbie Mazur Debbie Mazur yeah so they were Two Faces Blackies yes Two Faces groupies basically
Starting point is 00:36:10 Sugar and Spice Sugar and Spice and I just remember Drew Barrymore in that not platinum wig a white wig and white lipstick
Starting point is 00:36:17 yeah she was she had one and a half lines one and a half lines her her right tit fully out
Starting point is 00:36:23 yeah fully it was like a little Kim moment I was like a Lil' Kim moment. I was like, oh my God. Absolutely on a mountain of coke, right up fresh off the slopes. Yes. This was actually her return after rehab.
Starting point is 00:36:32 What was it? This was her big first thing before she cleaned up. Oh, I love that. She might have had a relapse since then. Of course. But after that, but she,
Starting point is 00:36:40 that was her big like, post little girl loss phase. This is after like Poison Ivy and she just disappeared into nothing. Yes, all that. Wow. She was also in a movie called Poison Ivy. You know, she was drinking at age eight, smoking weed at age ten,
Starting point is 00:36:57 and then doing coke at age 11. That's wild. That's fucking crazy. And she's doing great now. I fucking love her. The only reason I didn't do it Was because of access People didn't
Starting point is 00:37:07 Had coke been around When I was nine I would be a celebrity right now I'd be stuffing it up there Stuffing it Wait did you ever play Because you replied To my Final Fantasy tweet
Starting point is 00:37:18 Did you play Final Fantasy Oh I'm also a video game Person as well Can we talk about this Because I haven't We haven't had like A video game conversation You don't have to ask me For permission to do this No bitch This is like as well. Can we talk about this? Because we haven't had a video game conversation. You don't have to ask me for permission to do this.
Starting point is 00:37:26 No, bitch. This is like new territory. I will talk about... Okay, what were your games? What were your games? My games, I actually do... I was obsessed with Final Fantasy VIII. I think I played that one.
Starting point is 00:37:37 I clocked a lot of hours on that one. Oh, yeah. VIII's a pretty gay one. It's super gay. And that's also the most crystal clear... Story? Well, no. I never understood a single Final Fantasy story. The story makes no sense. eight's a pretty gay one it's super gay and that's also the most crystal clear story like well no oh
Starting point is 00:37:46 I never understood a single final fantasy story the story makes no sense none of them do like there's like like it's sort of like a dystopian thing ten actually
Starting point is 00:37:53 a tyrant of some sorts I think you're gonna have to fight there's a weird it's like this there's a weird steampunk psychopath
Starting point is 00:37:59 yeah yeah yeah that I'll never fully comprehend but I'm like I think it's the best gameplay in the world 8? oh just
Starting point is 00:38:06 oh the series overall 8 was my favorite out of all it had the gun swords it had the gun swords what's that described they were called gun blades with guns
Starting point is 00:38:13 like a bayonet it's like a giant imagine like a giant like pistol handle okay with like a barrel and like a trigger truly phallic
Starting point is 00:38:23 phallic truly but then instead of an actual instead of an actual um fucking Like a barrel and like a trigger. Truly phallic. Phallic. Truly. But then instead of an actual fucking gun, it was just a sword blade. And then you would just like swing it around. Like you would kill people with a blade as well as shoot them with a gun. Really unnecessary.
Starting point is 00:38:37 So crazy. Sounds violent. Final Fantasy is actually camp. And Final Fantasy X and X-2 are actually two sides of the same coin that shows how queer culture and straight culture can coexist. Now, what is Final Fantasy XII? XII? You haven't played XII. Oh, but you have played XII.
Starting point is 00:38:54 XII is... You're asking me what XII is. XII is, um... XII is like for a queer person who loves AP US history or AP European history. It's like... It is. It's truly... it's truly, Matt is fully checked out
Starting point is 00:39:06 and is just on his phone. Oh, I don't know about this. I don't know about this. I don't know, but whenever I don't know about shit, I'm always like,
Starting point is 00:39:12 oh, I'm like, take me then. I just asked you about what the bayonet shit was. Fine, fine. But if you want to talk about
Starting point is 00:39:17 like RPGs that I am obsessed with now, I left it at home in LA, but I love, I'm now playing Ni No Kuni 2. I played the first one and I didn't love it. Did you? I'm obsessed with it. Okay, but I love... I'm now playing Ni No Kuni 2. I played the first one and I didn't love it. Did you?
Starting point is 00:39:27 I'm obsessed with it. Okay, but I hear Ni No Kuni 2 is fun. It's more fun. This one is a whole other... I just love Miyazaki. It's a game made by Miyazaki, who's... Spirited away. Who's Miyazaki?
Starting point is 00:39:37 Oh, yes, I know that he does Spirited Away. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I am playing... I'm playing 12 again. Yes. I'm playing... again yes I'm playing did they remaster it or they remastered it for Switch
Starting point is 00:39:47 and for because they remastered it for PS4 and then they did switch an Xbox 360 these are things I would happily they're also aren't they just completely
Starting point is 00:39:55 recreating 7 they're completely redoing 7 and it actually could be it'll probably be bad but it could be good they're doing they're doing a TV show
Starting point is 00:40:04 which is going to be bad. Oh, a Final Fantasy TV show? They've managed to do as much as they can in the Final Fantasy film and TV realm, and it's never been good. To be honest with you, I'm surprised it's taken this long. It feels like such a huge franchise. Oh, they've done it many times.
Starting point is 00:40:19 Oh, they have. They did the movie in 2000 with Ming-Na. Do you remember this? Yes, I don't remember a movie with Ming- this? it's called Final Fantasy The Spirits Within and it was the sci-fi of ER and also wasn't Ben Affleck? no some guy was
Starting point is 00:40:36 the voice actor of the love interest who ends up dying spoiler alert but let's see wait Final Fantasy The Spirits Within we're googling this listeners these were not the video games that I played when I was little i was like a fucking mario you were a donkey kong bitch like i was like i played like you know i played like first person shooters too which now terrify me actually look there's just a splinter off that happens where the rest of us go give me rpgs yes i don't want a story i did play the mario rpg this oh which is how you say
Starting point is 00:41:02 it's very long mar. Yeah, I can't switch into Mario. I get it. It's not something I can allow. Can I just list off this the cast of this movie? I like how it's beneath you. I won't allow it. No, I won't allow it. I'm gonna list off the cast. I saw my own wrist. The cast of this movie,
Starting point is 00:41:19 the voice cast of this movie. So Ming-Na plays Aki Ross, the protagonist. You have Alec Baldwin as the love interest. Steve Buscemi. Donald Sutherland plays Sid. Jesus Christ. James Woods is the general. Ving Rhames is a sergeant. What if they get every problematic celebrity
Starting point is 00:41:35 to fucking dance together and voice this? It's like, you can't see their face, so it'll be okay. I know, but this was like 2000. And then they did Advent Children for 7, and that was terrible. Oh, God. It's really sad i really truly wish but the games are i think no matter what i've gone back like i played the last one what's the last number 15 15 which was like i didn't get to be you don't get to be involved in that game whatsoever it's mostly movies it's just movies it's just like soap operas and then and then you have to drive everywhere you literally
Starting point is 00:42:04 have to get into a car sit in that, and drive somewhere for like 15 minutes. But you're not even controlling it. You're just like, you go drive, and then you set your controller down, and it drives for you. You don't do anything? You don't do anything. No, you are just. Why the fuck are you getting it? It's the most crazy fucking.
Starting point is 00:42:19 You're supposed to sit back and enjoy the view. Do people like it? Like, bitch, I can go outside and see the world. People really hated this one. Yeah, it was really. It was pure torture. and enjoy the view. Do people like it? Like bitch I can go outside and see the world. People really hated this one. Yeah it was really it was pure torture. That seems really odd. It was stuck in development
Starting point is 00:42:29 hell for 10 years. So they announced it in 2006 and it didn't come out until 2016. This is Final Fantasy 15? 15 and it was like just kind of it was a really bro-y game
Starting point is 00:42:38 and there was nothing fun about it because all Final Fantasy games within a certain era were like kind of campy and queer and fun. Had their like little notes of it. And little side games you can do. And this one was just very much like...
Starting point is 00:42:48 It was just very self-serious. It was very... It felt like a Christopher Nolan movie, honestly. It was so long. And one of the things, I have to beat them. That's the issue, which made me even more upset. 15 was the first one that I was like, I don't care about this game enough to beat it.
Starting point is 00:43:02 And I was just like, I'm putting it down. Wow. I beat it, and it was... It was not that hard. It game enough to beat it. And I was just like, I'm putting it down. Wow. I beat it and it was, it was not that hard. It just took forever. Forever. 13 I kind of liked. And 13 had some queer elements
Starting point is 00:43:10 where Vanille and Fang were like lesbians, kind of. That makes sense. I'm so bad at remembering names. I think the only name I remember is Squall from 2. Squall.
Starting point is 00:43:20 For mate. No, that's Squall and Cypher. Oh no, I would masturbate to Zell and Cypher a lot as kids. Wait, Zell was a blonde one and Cypher. Oh no, I would masturbate to Zell and Cypher a lot as kids. Zell was a blonde one. Blonde with a face tattoo. Oh yes, he was doing a lot.
Starting point is 00:43:30 He was doing a lot. I was a Squall fan. Zell was for sure too problematic for me. I think he's the kind of person who would have bullied us in high school. Absolutely, but Zell and Cypher were like... And Bowen points to him and says, you would have loved him. No, because he's like this blonde muscly dude
Starting point is 00:43:46 and like I was like very into that at that time and he was like he's a jokester he was the guy that like I'm fucking I'm jumping off stairs
Starting point is 00:43:54 and like he was the one who was the class clown he was the class clown but Matt is a Zell oh my god did you ever are you played have you played Persona 5
Starting point is 00:44:00 of course I played it thank god it's probably the only game I ever replayed. Because it's worth replaying. It's worth replaying. I have not gotten it,
Starting point is 00:44:09 gotten the time to replay it. This is... Replaying it means you get everything. I know you get everything in that you get... It's also a genius game. You're a high schooler.
Starting point is 00:44:16 You're a high school in Japan. You're a high school in it. But then you, you go to high school half the time and then the other half you like, you heist people's minds.
Starting point is 00:44:26 In this other dimension. In this other dimension you like, you go to these... It's like Inception the other half you like you heist people's minds in this other dimension in this other dimension you like you go to inception it's like inception it's kind of like inception but these are you go into bad people's minds to like make them to like get the impurities out of them get the impurities out of them and it's like a brilliant fucking game it's so goddamn good oh my god who was your um waifu was
Starting point is 00:44:41 makoto she's the school girl like the class president. I'm trying to remember. I, like the person that I tried to date? Like my, like, yeah, well, the people I tried to date were, I was set on Makoto
Starting point is 00:44:51 and I was like, she's going to be my waifu and like that's like. Waifu? Waifu, it's like a Japanese term for like waifu, husband. I went for the, I stayed with,
Starting point is 00:45:01 I usually, because it was the first time I played, I went for the girl that they initially. Yes, oh, the blonde one. With the yes? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But when I usually because it was the first time I played I went for the girl that they initially hung up with the blonde man yeah yeah yeah
Starting point is 00:45:08 but when I replayed it I did it where I got all of them you got all of them good for you and that they were very upset with you what do you mean
Starting point is 00:45:16 get all of them you can get them you can convince them to date you all of these girls to date you you play as a boy and you have to convince
Starting point is 00:45:23 all the girls to date you you can by giving them sort of giving them the right present at the right time and sort of like develop a relationship these girls to date you. You play as a boy and you have to convince all the girls to date you? You can. You might give them, like, you, like, sort of give them the right present
Starting point is 00:45:27 at the right time and sort of, like, develop a, like, a relationship with them. Is there sex in the game? There is implied sex. There's not really actual sex.
Starting point is 00:45:34 There's a moment where things go dark. Yeah. Really? There's, it's kind of a problematic game because it's just Japanese culture
Starting point is 00:45:40 and so there's, like, there's, like, a seedy part of town where, like, there's a gay bar where a drag queen is the bartender and it's just like
Starting point is 00:45:46 but she's also the drag queen's also the person that gets you gigs like gets you like working jobs the drag queen is great yes it's an insane
Starting point is 00:45:53 but then the gay patrons of the bar are like you're like ew get away from me there's a whole homophobic it's very homophobic but
Starting point is 00:46:00 and like if you could date men in that game I would fucking be playing it all the time. Like, all the fucking time. And it's pretty fun. But yeah, you can get them all to date you at once and then they confront you at the end of the game.
Starting point is 00:46:11 Can you play as a girl and date boys? No. Although they're re-releasing it where you can play as a girl, maybe. Persona 5 R or something. Anyway, they're re-releasing it and they're like, out of new content. So, um. I can talk about Persona. Yeah, Persona 5, I played plenty.
Starting point is 00:46:25 It's so, so fun. I love that. Oh my God, that's so cool. And then you also have to take tests in that game. Yeah, it's dumb. It's insane. Like you have to, you're in school and you have to take actual history.
Starting point is 00:46:36 It sounds like this game is just doing the high school experience. It is just the high school experience, but then it's like a fan. There's a fantasy element where you're like a Power Ranger. You're doing Inception. It's Power Ranger Inception.
Starting point is 00:46:47 You just hop into this other realm. You have this mask to cover your face. And then you also get these creatures that you can use to attack people with. This is very Hannah Montana. It's very Hannah Montana. It's very I have to live my life as a normal person, but then at night, I'm a pop star.
Starting point is 00:47:03 Wait, one last thing before we move on Zelda you're a Zelda person that's where we splinter off got it it's never too late to start Zelda fucking bores the even Ocarina of Time I'm like this fucking sucks
Starting point is 00:47:20 you're so stupid you're such a stupid bitch I can't believe you would ever say that it sucks from the beginning. You're going to get fucking murdered for saying this. I hope that everyone kills me. I'm not going to disagree that you're a stupid bitch, but I will for sure agree that I'm not a fan of Zelda. You guys are so dead wrong.
Starting point is 00:47:35 It is so boring and humorless. You guys are... I'm going to fucking explode right now. First of all, what is she? What do you mean she? Zelda. Zelda is the princess who represents the Triforce of Wisdom. is she? What do you mean she? Zelda. Zelda is the princess who represents the Triforce of Wisdom.
Starting point is 00:47:48 Then why am I not playing as her? You're gonna get to play as her. They're making a sequel for Breath of the Wild where you get to play as Zelda finally. What, 25 years later? Yes, bitch. Deal with it. Progress is slow and not linear. That game is fucking boring.
Starting point is 00:48:03 You can run across a field for 45 minutes and nothing happens. No, everything happens and it's the most, and it's widely, Breath of the Wild, the most recent installment is widely considered to be the best game of all time.
Starting point is 00:48:12 Beating Ocarina of Time, which was previously considered the best game of all time and you guys are stupid bitches who don't understand game design and these subtle elements of the invisible hand that guides you along
Starting point is 00:48:21 to the next path. Grow the fuck up, read a book. I don't think so, honey. I don't think so. I'm mad at you. The best video game of all time. Is what? Mario Party? Super Mario Party? Slapperazzi? Is Mario Kart.
Starting point is 00:48:36 Because anyone can play even a child. And it's important that for video games be everyone. It's important that for video games be everyone. That's rule of culture number 91. It is important that for video games be everyone. It's important that for video games be everyone. That's rule of culture number 91. It is important that for video games be everyone. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:48:51 Can we take that again? It is important that for video games be everyone. We don't know. I refuse to say it again. It's important that for video games be everyone. Please. No. You should have gotten it right the first two times. Stupid cunt.
Starting point is 00:49:03 But to be more than anything, I'm actually a fighting game person. Okay, see, that's where we start. I don't like fighting or violence or guns. I love guns. I love violence. I'm with Eric Swalwell. I'm a cop. I'm Camilla Harris.
Starting point is 00:49:17 I'm a cop. My dick moved when Eric Swalwell last night said, we need to break up with Russia and make up with NATO, and I blame UCB for my dick moving. You blame UCB for your dick moving? Because watching his eyes twinkle when he made a lukewarm joke reminded me of every mediocre second beat
Starting point is 00:49:34 I saw executed by guys who were so satisfied to watch that happen. Now, God, you know who loves the cops is Mayor Pete. You're annoying. Oh, yes. He doesn't love the cops. He is a cop because he loves the cops is Mayor Pete. You're annoying. Oh, yes. He doesn't love the cops. He is a cop because he loves the cops.
Starting point is 00:49:50 Do you not know the news? He is not the best. I don't think. Oh, honey. Did you not hear the news? He is not the best. Thank you for being so long. Thank you for being so long.
Starting point is 00:50:01 All right, so here's my rankings. One, Kamala. Two, Marianne. Three, Marianne. Four, Marianne. Three, Marianne. Four, Marianne. Five, Marianne. This is just night two. Night two.
Starting point is 00:50:09 Only night two. Night one was so boring. I think night one was kind of shitty, and also I think that certain candidates in night two would have stood out more. For example, Sheila Brand, I think, would have looked better on night one. She would have fucking wiped the floor with Amy.
Starting point is 00:50:27 I don't think it's a thing about Amy. I am pitting women against each other. You are pitting women against each other, and that's something that Bowen Yang does. But what I'm saying is that Jilla Brand would have looked better overall. I think the top three people of the first night were probably Warren, Castro, and for me, I guess Booker, which is insane. It's crazy. With Klobuchar like a spoiler.
Starting point is 00:50:48 Yeah, but that's because the rest of them were so awful. They're such duds. Like when Beto was going to Spanish, it was like, Beto is done. Beto is fucking cooked. Beto looked terrified. Yeah. It's just like, especially with Castro there,
Starting point is 00:51:02 like, you're going to do that? Honey, his accent was horrific. Oh my God. Like, I think I stopped watching because I was just humiliated for him. Like, I wish, I wish those kind of white guys would just have that embarrassment for a fraction of a moment. I've never heard a harder R than his Escuchar. Escuchar. Escuchar.
Starting point is 00:51:21 He was really hitting that R hard. And also, I guess for me, the second night, my opinion is that Kamala looked impeccable. She was very good. And that I would say, I thought Pete did well, and I thought that if I had to give a third, which I really don't feel like anyone did that great. I mean, I didn't hate Gillibrand's performance.
Starting point is 00:51:42 It's so interesting how- Look, for me, the second night was about whether or not Biden was destroyed and he was for me that's imperative I think he kind of
Starting point is 00:51:49 was thoroughly destroyed and I think he will keep I think he's like Joel was saying that he's like hopefully knock on wood he's like the Jeb
Starting point is 00:51:55 of this cycle where it's like well here's the thing like he like it came out like he always looks good based on how we compare him to like
Starting point is 00:52:03 but in this kind of situations he doesn't shine. It's all relative. He never has. He looks bad next to these people. You remember it's his third time doing it. And it's like, it's never worked before.
Starting point is 00:52:13 Why will it work now when we think of you as an also right? And honestly, Biden was actually going to be my, I don't think so, honey today, but I'll just say this now. I'll figure it out later. I'll just improvise.
Starting point is 00:52:22 But Biden obviously thought that he was going to come into these debates and make it all about Trump. And he was not going to engage with his primary opponents. And he sorely underestimated his primary opponents, namely Kamala Harris, who made him look like a fool and called him out very, very hard on that stage. And he was not ready for it. The that girl was me moment. was just like oh holy shit. I bought the t-shirt. Good for you. I went to that fucking website and bought that t-shirt. I've given her a lot of money.
Starting point is 00:52:53 I love that Kamala chose the Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt font and logo treatment. It looks great. I love the aggressive of Warren's logo. Oh yeah. It's as subtle as she is it's such a bold choice it's such a bold choice actually you know who has a great sort of design
Starting point is 00:53:11 treatment to her campaign is Marianne she's working with deep dark purples and like really tasteful not millennial but like a tasteful pink so purple and pink like not blue and red like not really red white and blue but just like a fun little like mix of like a tasteful pink so purple and pink like not blue and red like not really
Starting point is 00:53:25 red, white and blue but just like a fun little like mix of like a little acid tinged whatever yeah she's a loon of course she's gonna have a great color scheme
Starting point is 00:53:32 she is a loon girlfriend you are so on girlfriend you are so on and I would tell her girlfriend you are so on I would tell her girlfriend you are so on my first call would be
Starting point is 00:53:41 to the prime minister of New Zealand New Zealand she said that it was gonna be the best race to race actually apparently people people are people like experts placed it her accent as My first call would be to the Prime Minister of New Zealand. She said that it's going to be the best race to race in the United States. People, experts placed her accent as being the
Starting point is 00:53:50 thought to be extinct mid-Atlantic accent. Like Audrey Hepburn in Breakfast at Tiffany's colleague-a-lightly like, Go for the USO. I think that accent is a Klonopin accent. No. She is, God, I mean.
Starting point is 00:54:06 Mr. President, if you're listening. If you're listening. Honestly, the like sensuality with her. If you're listening. And it's the eyebrows.
Starting point is 00:54:13 I think you know what you're doing. If you look back at the videos, it's her eyebrows. It's the eyebrows are doing so much work. Can I say,
Starting point is 00:54:19 I thought the first two times she spoke were not bad. No, no, no. Because I actually thought she makes a really good point in a way. Didn't really thought she makes a really good point, in a way. Didn't really have a space in this particular debate,
Starting point is 00:54:30 but I think it is a good point overall to say that we have a sickness healthcare system. We don't actually have a healthcare system. I know what she was trying to say, but it's like- Well, she said what she was trying to say. But then people could just pin all their crazy anti-neow Age bullshit on me. Like, oh my God, she's being very pseudoscience-y and all that.
Starting point is 00:54:48 Say what you want. That was not a kooky thing to say. We as a nation are not focused on wellness. It's not kooky. It doesn't have a place in this debate, really. But it's also not inaccurate. Sure, sure, sure. It's just the way she speaks, she's always five words away from saying the most insane thing in the world.
Starting point is 00:55:06 There's just like, if you throw in five more words, it's going to be out of the field. And that's why it's so tragic that fucking Chuck Todd, who I'm just going to spoil. Well, no, it's my honor. Thanks, honey. Wow. Like, she got cut off after the New Zealand, after Girlfriend U or so on. Like, she was going to like,, she was gonna talk more about raising children in the US.
Starting point is 00:55:26 Honestly, I would have let her go. I would have just been like, I mean, just for shit's sake, we have to hear it. Just let her talk. Let her talk.
Starting point is 00:55:32 We're not hearing her again. Are they making cuts after this? They have to. No, I think the next round is still maybe the same thing
Starting point is 00:55:39 where it's like, to qualify, you just have to meet some donor minimum. So I think we might see her. them cutting. It's just people going, we're not gonna give you any more money. Do we have to meet some donor minimum. So it's not about them cutting. It's just people going, we're not going to give you any more money.
Starting point is 00:55:48 Do we have to send her money for comedy purposes? Oh my God. That's how you get people as president. You know that, right? This is exactly what happened in 2016. The scuttlebutt is that she's, of course she's gotten, I mean, my whole timeline today on Twitter was Marianne.
Starting point is 00:56:04 And I think a lot of, She is an icon now. From what I my whole timeline today on Twitter was Marianne. And I think a lot of. She is an icon now. From what I'm hearing is that her donations have spiked. I mean, have surged. Holy shouts. She retweeted her being the most Googled name today. This is what I'm saying. All you have to be is the star of the election.
Starting point is 00:56:18 The star of the election will go far. I say this all the time. I always say the star of the election will win. So we might be looking at President Ghosn. Oh, God. You guys have been good for a new song. Honestly, honestly.
Starting point is 00:56:35 Just think about her doing the oath of office. The oath of office. Is that what it's called? What is it called? Wait, what are you talking about? It's like swearing in. Oh, the oath of office. I'm sorry it's called? What is it called? Wait, what are you talking about? It's like take swearing in. Oh, yeah. Taking the oath. Oh, the oath of office. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I don't know. What the fuck? I thought you were trying to state of the union or something. No,
Starting point is 00:56:51 I said taking the oath of office, which is a thing. Got it. I'm sorry. Stupid bitch. Don't ever point your finger at me like you did for me, Ocarina of Time ass. White. I'll kill you, you white bitch. I'll kill you, you white. You are white and stupid too wow that's harsh
Starting point is 00:57:07 I would never want that directed at me I don't know this happens you know what Solomon you're white too I swear to god you're a white bitch
Starting point is 00:57:14 I swear to god you dumb white oh my god Bowen is a model minority here I am not oh oh no
Starting point is 00:57:23 my god not in my history not in my history not my life would i allow you can call me a bitch i will scream into the ethos i would fall apart i'd rip my hair off if i woke up with a white skin speaking of white speaking of white and being literally translucent you know who didn't register to me at all last night was fucking Bernie Bernie might as well have been invisible he was there it's interesting that like no one was like Bernie didn't really like strike
Starting point is 00:57:54 anything with anybody but like the only real observation people made about Bernie was that like wow the breadth of topics that people are talking about and like the policy positions that people are taking are you know and I policy positions that people are taking are, and I will agree with this, are directly affected by Bernie Sanders.
Starting point is 00:58:10 Oh, of course. Definitely his impact is felt. Everyone's pushed to the left, and it's like, great, yeah, good for him. And I think that's a great thing to have as your also historical point. So that's why it's like, I think he should just be happy
Starting point is 00:58:20 with what he actually did for the landscape. I absolutely agree. Yes. And maybe he ends up getting a nomination. And including his supporters should feel that way as well, too. They should just be happy with what he actually did for the landscape. I absolutely agree. Yes. And maybe he should feel that way as well too. He should just be happy what he did.
Starting point is 00:58:29 I do not think he should get the nomination. I will not be happy. I'm not saying he should but I'm saying I will not have a problem with it. I'll have a problem with it.
Starting point is 00:58:37 He's one of is he like one of the three people who are the top three are Warren Sanders and Biden. It is Biden still out in front and we'll see if the debate has a has a impact on this oh it's sure sure well we it should but
Starting point is 00:58:52 it often actually does not it always does no it was actually always this is what is more rated highly rated than the others though i agree that i agree that it should we we will we remain to be seen by the time this comes out, we may know. I mean, Marianne. Most searched person. Yeah, she's our president. I would say this. Our president.
Starting point is 00:59:10 I would say this. Despite being by far the most embarrassing person on stage, she will surge in front of Hick and Looper. For sure. She will move to the center. Yeah. Oh, no, no, no. She's for sure going to kick out of Bano.
Starting point is 00:59:23 I think she can do that wow that's fucking yeah i bet you watch this is what happened this is what happened with trump all this little auxiliary weirdo she ain't gonna do much halfway through yeah yeah yeah yeah also she's got the oprah connection she's got the oprah connection but oprah would oh of course not oh oprah however oprah also has Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz. So maybe we shouldn't just... I keep forgetting that element about Oprah. She surrounded herself with some amazing black people
Starting point is 00:59:50 and the worst white people in the world. Oprah has flies on her. Yeah, she is Dr. Phil. What were we going to say? Did you watch this clip of an old Super Soul Sunday interview between Mary and Oprah? I did not watch that clip, no. It's so fun.
Starting point is 01:00:04 I'm sure it is. I'm sure that she has good things to say about spiritual wellness if you actually want to engage. I think there was a piece of gay information that was somebody put in the air. A piece of gay information. Title of app. Marianne, that she was a piece of gay information. That's good.
Starting point is 01:00:20 Marianne. I think, wasn't she roommates with Laura Dern? Which is the most iconic gay shit I've ever heard in my life. Which also is like, oh, now I know that character from Big Little Lies came through. No, because you know that Renata Klein has two sessions a week with Marianne Williams. Absolutely. One hundred percent. There's no way.
Starting point is 01:00:40 Renata Klein thinks that Marianne calms her down. Yeah, Laura Dern is not that person at all. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's how I feel like Laura Dern is able to play that person. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. I love that. Oh, my gosh.
Starting point is 01:00:54 Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg. You're recording us? I am disgusted. Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy. We were friends. How could you do this to me?
Starting point is 01:01:10 I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. Hey, it's Mike and Ian. We're the hosts of How to Do Everything from NPR's Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me. Each week we take your questions and find someone much smarter than us to answer them. Questions like, how do you survive the Bermuda Triangle? How do you find a date inside the Bermuda Triangle? We can't help you, but we will find someone who can.
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Starting point is 01:02:11 On Basket Case, I talk to people about what happens when what we call mental health is shaped by the conditions of the world we live in. Because if you haven't noticed, we are experiencing some kind of conditions that are pretty hard to live with. But if you struggle to cope, the society that created the conditions in the first place will tell you there's something wrong with you. And it will call you a basket case. Listen to Basket Case every Tuesday on the iHeartRadio app,
Starting point is 01:02:38 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Bruce Bozzi. On my podcast, Table for Two, we have unforgettable lunch after unforgettable lunch with the best guest you could possibly ask for. People like Matt Bomer. Thank you for that introduction. I'm going to slip you a couple of 20s under the table for that. Emma Roberts.
Starting point is 01:02:59 When it came into my email inbox, I was like, okay, I know I'm going to love this so much that I don't even want to read it. Because if I can't be in it, I'm going to love this so much that I don't even want to read it, because if I can't be in it, I'm going to be bummed. And Colin Jost. You know, your wife was the first guest in Table for Two. It's come full circle. As long as I do better than her, I'm happy.
Starting point is 01:03:15 Table for Two is a bit different from other interview shows. We sit down at a great restaurant for a meal, maybe a glass of rosé, and the stories start flowing. Our second season is airing right now, so you can catch up on our conversations that are intimate, surprising, and often hilarious. Listen to Table for Two with Bruce Bozzi on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Shall we talk about Big Little Lies a little bit? Sure.
Starting point is 01:03:45 I'm not watching it this evening. Oh, bitch. Okay, well, let's just say we're talking about cartoons. Honey. I'm sure it's a full cartoon. It's a full cartoon. I do that thing where I wait till it's all out and watch it. You do. I get that. See, I like that. We were talking about this.
Starting point is 01:04:01 I like that it's week to week. Me too. I like week to week for certain things. Like Drag Race? Week to week. Yeah. I love that life. Of course. I'm not a We were talking about this. I like that it's week to week. Me too. I like week to week for certain things. Like Drag Race, week to week. Yeah. I love that life. Yes, of course. Yeah, I'm not a binger of Drag Race. No, you can't do it.
Starting point is 01:04:10 I watch it twice. I watch it when I go out. And then I watch it again to make sure I didn't miss anything. Yes, you guys are multiple watchers. I just can't even sit through. I just stopped watching after this season. I will start watching again. Where do you watch it in Los Angeles? I mean, I'm not the first person who's told you that this has not it after this season. I will start watching it again. Where do you watch it in Los Angeles?
Starting point is 01:04:25 I mean, I'm not the first person who's told you that this has not been the best season. You know what? People say that. And they learn their lessons later. Because, like, season seven was considered one of the worst seasons. Literally. It holds up. It holds up.
Starting point is 01:04:38 I was saying. Every one of those queens is usually some of the best queens. Of course. It's true. Even Jasmine. Like, literally all of them. Like you can't even name a bad one in the group.
Starting point is 01:04:47 I said, I said after season seven, even immediately after it stopped, I was like, it really firmed up by the end where the top three
Starting point is 01:04:54 I really fucking loved. Or the top four, like five, Katya, Kennedy, Pearl, and Violet, and fucking Ginger.
Starting point is 01:05:01 That's a good top five. I think stuff appears boring initially. Yes. Because especially when you, especially since we're literally watching seasons back to back to each other,
Starting point is 01:05:10 but in the scope of time, when I watch seasons again, I'm just like, that was excellent. It was amazing. I clocked it back then, but 12, it's just,
Starting point is 01:05:20 or 12, 11, it was just like, I mean, the tea that's been coming out about the reshoots and stuff, like, it's bad.
Starting point is 01:05:26 I love that. I love that they were like, not good enough, but I love that they tried to make Evie Oddly a villain and failed. And tried to make fucking Silky a hero and failed.
Starting point is 01:05:37 That's what, I love that aspect of it. But I don't know, it was working for me though. I liked Silky so much more than Evie. I famously do not appreciate Evie Oddly at all. I know it sucks for me, but like, Iky so much more than Evie. I famously do not appreciate Evie oddly at all.
Starting point is 01:05:46 I know it sucks for me but I don't get it and won't get it going forward. See I wish I could have some response to Evie. We live two different lives. We truly do and that's fine. Also I heard the season 12 calls are going out right now. Yes. Because they just finished All Stars.
Starting point is 01:06:01 Did they finish them? I think they're almost done or should be done soon. I can't believe we're getting another All-Star so soon. That is too much. I'm more excited about this one. Who is in it? Cracker. Do we have an unconfirmed list of who's in it?
Starting point is 01:06:16 I know Shay is. That's what we've been waiting for. Is Asia? I don't know. I hear Asia is. There's a lot of rumors. I think the rumors are Shay, Cracker.
Starting point is 01:06:27 Kim Chi? No. No. Kim Chi's never doing it. I want her to do it again so badly. She won't do it. She doesn't want to.
Starting point is 01:06:34 She's a great look queen but those challenges are not her game. They're not made for her. She can see all stars and she knows she would crash and burn. But I just think
Starting point is 01:06:42 It was by the grace of God she even made the top of three in her own season she has the most followers out of all the queens I know she has the like there's literally
Starting point is 01:06:48 no reason for her to do it again I know but just her you just want an Asian with a crown don't you no it's not that it's just
Starting point is 01:06:54 she was just a very I think someone should by now it's insane that that's not happening sure I mean it's fine I don't I'm particularly
Starting point is 01:07:00 Plastique Plastique is there though Plastique is yes Plastique is All Stars 5 I just think I just Kim Chi's arc wasastique is yes Plastique is All Stars 5 I just think I just Kim Chi's arc
Starting point is 01:07:06 was just the most emotional arc for me on All Stars on Drag Race she's still not even out to her still to this day
Starting point is 01:07:13 which is fucking insane I am obsessed like you are a superstar yeah and just an element global superstar
Starting point is 01:07:20 yeah anyway it's just it's Shakespearean I just love it anyway Drag Race I think yeah I'll I just it's Shakespearean it's I just love it anyway um Drag Race I think yeah I just got to
Starting point is 01:07:28 give I'll watch 11 you didn't miss anything on the season I mean this is the most wooden I but Solomon I think that we can we can say that season 7 holds up we can also I can make a
Starting point is 01:07:40 prediction and I will write in a small envelope and put it on top of that desk and it was in a book and I will write in a small envelope and put it on top of that desk. And it was in a bookshelf. And I will say seasonal 12 doesn't hold up. And in five years, we'll all come back here and we'll open it up.
Starting point is 01:07:54 And during season 17 of RuPaul's Drag Race season 11 will not hold up. Yes. You mean, you mean 11 is what I meant to say. I don't think it will hold up. I don't think they were compelling characters. I think the winner was a five. I think that like...
Starting point is 01:08:06 Okay, first of all... In the grand scheme, Solomon, I don't think Evie is that great. That was the best lip sync. Which one? Her versus Brooklyn Heights. I agree with you. It was a great lip sync.
Starting point is 01:08:18 And both of them. 100%. I'm talking about both of them. I do say both of them. I am on record saying that I think that was a fantastic lip sync both of them one of the best in the series history but as a season the fact that
Starting point is 01:08:30 that was the only moment it was the only moment Solomon we lived two different lives well what is your life look I think the tensions are fantastic Vanjie I don't think there's been a better description of anyone walking down the runway than the way Vanjie describes her looks.
Starting point is 01:08:45 Such there's no breath taken. There's no, she doesn't really describe anything you're visually seeing, which is even better. Vanjie's great. I'm very hooker on the day I drive. I'm serving you cake. I'm wearing boots up down the street. She's like, I think she's wearing heels. I got my boots on, got my dress on, I'm looking good.
Starting point is 01:09:02 Ha! Vanjie! I'm still John, I'm flipping tricks. I'm eating dicks. I'm doing whatever I need to do to make sure these judges see me for who I am, what I'm doing. They're going to love this look. I'm going to pop it. I'm going to lock it. I'm going to stop.
Starting point is 01:09:11 And it's like. She gave me an attitude. You know she bad. Bitch, you're just walking really fast. Calm the fuck down. Wow. I do love her runway walk. And I actually, like, most of the time I thought she looked great on the runway.
Starting point is 01:09:21 And I always understood Michelle's critiques. But I was like, oh, who cares? It kind of was like Alyssa syndrome where it was like, you never are mad. you're never mad. Here's the issue that I had with like, cause she keeps pointing out the bodysuit issue, which is like,
Starting point is 01:09:32 I don't see what the problem is. Like, like here, like if that was like, like compared to like the seasons past, like bitches couldn't get outfits like that. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:41 Bitches couldn't get their tuck like that. Well, this is, I think the whole, this is where the whole, like, where the conversation gets less fun and it's like the whole
Starting point is 01:09:47 drag race industrial complex of it all where it's like, we expect so fucking much from these queens. Exactly. That's why I'm having a problem with your...
Starting point is 01:09:55 Well, the show is what it is. Like, in comparison to, like, what I saw this season was so fucking amazing and none of it was easy. Like, Kyria's outfits, I think, were some of the fucking most insane things I've seen in my life. Kyria looks right on the runway.
Starting point is 01:10:10 You know what's interesting, actually? Sorry to cut anybody off, but it's the kind of competition show that demands so much that the audience demands so much of from its contestants over as the series gets bigger and bigger.
Starting point is 01:10:26 And as it progresses. So it's, it's not like you're watching top chef and you're like, I'm bored. Like I've seen this before or that you're like, I wish they would do more. Like, well,
Starting point is 01:10:34 you know, like they have more resources now. Like, you know, cause it's not like top chef. You're not thinking that like, um, you know,
Starting point is 01:10:39 talent competitions. You're not really like snooze snore. I saw, you know, this person reminds me of this. Maybe on some level, I guess with Idol it sort of happened, but it's like
Starting point is 01:10:51 with Project Runway, you're not like the bar keeps getting raised so much and it's not scaling with the audience and we don't have a sense of how it proportionizes. To me, my only problem is this season was devoid of wit intelligence and soul it's what i said it was it's exactly what you said go ahead and say
Starting point is 01:11:12 make your point on here lost culture is i said on what the talk when matt was hosting with mono um that at the beginning of the season i think this is like episode three it was early early yeah i came in early and i was like i don't think there's anyone on this season season 11 whose brain I want to be like whoa what's your mind like you have such an incredible mind there's no like Bob or Alaska or Katya
Starting point is 01:11:35 or you know fucking even Trixie or someone on season 10 like even like Asia like people who are just so beyond me. Or even the fashion forwardness of Aquaria. You know what I mean? Yes, even Aquaria.
Starting point is 01:11:49 I'm just like, you guys are so creative. Wow. And honestly, the closest person that came to that, I will concede, was Evie. I will be honest.
Starting point is 01:11:58 It is truly the dumbest group of Dark Queens in the history of the show. It was pretty surprising. Because like, especially how the rest of the seasons the seasons where i'm like these bitches are brilliant geniuses like and you get like that like like it'd be like it's like it was almost like a season of like derrick berry level intelligence yes very bad and i just i would just let's just go through it tell me bob the drag queen doesn't win this season walking in oh he won tell me aquaria
Starting point is 01:12:24 doesn't win this season walking in not necessarily, he won me too. Tell me Aquaria doesn't win this season walking in. Not necessarily. Absolutely, she does hands down. Hands up against. You think that against Evie, oddly, Aquaria doesn't win? No, I mean walking into their season. Oh, wait, what are you talking about? Like a winner season?
Starting point is 01:12:37 No, no, no. I'm not saying winner season. I'm saying Aquaria in season 11. Oh, got it, got it, got it, got it. Wins hands down. Yeah, sure, sure, sure. Compared to everyone else? Yes.
Starting point is 01:12:45 We live two different lives. That's crazy to me. I love her it, got it, got it, got it. Wins hands down. Yeah, sure, sure, sure. Compared to everyone else? Yes. We live two different lives. That's crazy to me. I love her so much, but she's not, that's probably the only one I will contest. Okay. Before, I used to contest
Starting point is 01:12:54 the one before, but then I came into terms. Sasha Velour? Yeah. No, I think, yeah. That to me is a dark horse win. The definition of a dark horse win. She was a deserved win.
Starting point is 01:13:05 It was a deserved win and especially going to her shows afterwards. I was like, oh, this bitch is the winner. She won. I would say that there were four queens in season nine that would have beat Evie Oddly. And they were all the top four. That is
Starting point is 01:13:22 tough. That's tough. I think Evie Oddly can't hold her own and Evie Oddly is young enough to keep going that's well yeah young enough
Starting point is 01:13:30 to keep going I'm just saying in terms of season 11 this is my point about season 11 is it was a dumbed down season it was a watered down season
Starting point is 01:13:37 that's like my yeah that's like a meaner way to say what I'm saying but I'm gonna be honest with you like one thing that I think
Starting point is 01:13:42 would save the fucking like I get what you're saying but also I think going for I honest with you. Like one thing that I think would save the fucking, like I get what you're saying, but also I think going, I just said 30 minutes needs to go away from the show. Yeah. 100%. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:13:52 100%. It's literally what's, they're trying to drive some weird, like I don't understand. It must be like ad sales, like they make more money off of it or something.
Starting point is 01:14:00 But I just can't imagine, like it's like, because at some point I'm like, most of these ads are just VH1 shows. So give me an hour. Yeah like Boy Butter. I mean I do miss that logo aspect of it.
Starting point is 01:14:12 To me the epitome of like what was wrong with this season were those Maury-esque videos they did at the end of the finale. Those I actually loved. I did not love them. Because I saw them for what they were stupid as fuck and a waste of time. I love that element. I agree they were stupid, but that was a time filler.
Starting point is 01:14:27 And I was like, where the fuck is Rue? You know what I mean? I was like, Rue is not here anymore. That's the best part. Like, that's what I love is when they decide, like, Rue doesn't want to do this. What are we going to do to fill the time? See, I hate that. I think it looks bad now, but I bet you when you rewatch it later, you're going to be like,
Starting point is 01:14:42 this is so stupid and it's so fun. Are we going to watch? Are we going to look back on season 11 nost're going to be like, this is so stupid and it's so fun. Are we going to watch, are we going to like look back on season 11 nostalgically and be like, oh, what a great season? Because it's actually good or because the show is going to get worse as the years go by. Fingers crossed it gets worse.
Starting point is 01:14:56 I'm here for a sticking ship. There you go. I am not. I like things falling apart from the inside because it A, gives the ability for better things to come along. Sure. Better TV, better drug stuff to come along.
Starting point is 01:15:07 I agree. I agree. And then you can just, and then you get to enjoy that last queen who's like, no one cares about me. And you're like, oh. And I love, I love a queen whose career starts off rocky and doesn't go anywhere. Damn. I will say this.
Starting point is 01:15:20 It was bound to happen. Like the show was bound to like slope down. Turn down. It reached its imperial phase i will say this if i'm a drag queen out there right now i'm fucking really trying to get my tape i'm trying i'm trying to get on the show for season 12 season 13 the latest yeah because it's like bitch i mean it's time now because that show is gonna it's gonna start i mean the ratings are already going down but it's time now. Because that show is going to start dipping. I mean, the ratings are already going down. True, but it's time now.
Starting point is 01:15:46 But it's also literally so many other venues or drag queens are now more accessible than they used to be. Absolutely, that is true. I mean, on our own network. Web series that people are actually watching, people caring about. Like, there's names of local queens
Starting point is 01:16:00 that are becoming more well-known, which is phenomenal. Like, the amount of queens that I know from here, and, i mean phenomenal like it's like the amount of queens that i know from here and like like i can like i never would have known them before and you know them because you saw them on tv or on the internet or like you know what you know i mean britta filter is more booked this pride than she's ever been in her fucking life i mean britta is everywhere and she's never been on the show and i literally heard about her yeah before i even came to new york for a yeah, no, she's the real deal.
Starting point is 01:16:26 There were four queens at this party last night. Did you hear about the party last night? Wait, can you spill all the tea on this party? Yeah, it was fine.
Starting point is 01:16:31 There was a party last night? There was a party last night. It was fine. It was actually great. It was not. It was actually great and I'm really glad. I say it's fine
Starting point is 01:16:38 because I'm so fucking hungover and I am on three hours of sleep and I went into work and then I went into this meeting with Matt, this breakfast meeting a power breakfast it was these four
Starting point is 01:16:48 it was these four drag queens West Dakota Selena T and Harajuku and one other but they came on and did Lady Marmalade
Starting point is 01:16:57 and then Lil' Kim herself pops out during her verse Lil' Kim herself but this was the scuttlebutt. They were like, a special midnight performance, special midnight guest coming out.
Starting point is 01:17:10 And I had heard from Fran Tirado, deputy editor at Magazine, who organized the party, was like, come, come. And then you were supposed to go. I was supposed to go, but I had to record. I'm on an animated show. A show. Wow.
Starting point is 01:17:24 Our cartoon president can you spill the tea? were you Pete? I can spill all the tea I'm Ben Shapiro I'm Mayor Pete and I'm Bill Shine I love that
Starting point is 01:17:35 wonderful great casting but yeah Lil Kim pops out and she did wow what was that like? I mean it was cool.
Starting point is 01:17:45 Is she a little munchkin? She's a little munchkin. She sounds nothing like she used to. Even better. It's interesting how her timbre goes up. Now she's like, you know. Come through, the manning and the god, I mean. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:57 It was so squeaky. Because her voice wasn't so deep. Because you think Lil' Kim on the track and it's like deep and husky. She looks like Minnie Mouse. husky she looks like Minnie Mouse and now she looks like and she was like she was like I love you so much
Starting point is 01:18:10 I'm so happy to be celebrating and it was like kind of like jarring but like you know what it's fucking Lil' Kim her voice when she speaks is a higher timbre
Starting point is 01:18:16 it is but when she's rapping maybe she's like a reverse Maya she's a reverse Maya because Maya has a husky voice when she speaks and then the second she sings you're like what is this yeah yeah yeah it's so funny but yeah she was there She's like a reverse Maya. She's a reverse Maya. Because Maya has a husky voice when she speaks.
Starting point is 01:18:27 And then the second she sings, you're like, what is this? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so funny. But yeah, she was there and it was great. It was a fun time. Wow. Anyway. We love that. But what was I going to say?
Starting point is 01:18:36 Oh, no, yeah, but these queens were paid so well for doing this. Good. They make fucking bank. Oh, and Alaska was there, too. Alaska entered the girls' house. I did see that someone recorded Alaska Alaska has this new song called Pride
Starting point is 01:18:47 that she performed and one of the rhymes is something something something pride and then yeah the next one is at Stonewall nobody died
Starting point is 01:18:54 it's fantastic at Stonewall nobody died oh yes I saw her perform it Wednesday oh great the opening ceremonies
Starting point is 01:19:03 oh at Barclays yes I didn't go to this fucking thing and Britta was there but I didn't go to this fucking thing it was fun it was fun Wednesday oh great the opening ceremonies oh of Barclays yes I didn't go to this fucking thing and Britta was there but I didn't go to this fucking thing
Starting point is 01:19:08 it was fun it was fun Chaka Khan was there Chaka what did she sing I'm Every Woman yeah she opened it with
Starting point is 01:19:17 I Think I Love You no no she had the first song no no no she did I Feel For You Ain't Nobody
Starting point is 01:19:23 we need Ain't Nobody I Feel For You then Ain't Nobody and then she ended with I'm Every Woman great wow saw no no no she did um i feel for you ain't nobody ain't nobody i feel sorry i feel for you then ain't nobody and then she ended with um i'm every woman great wow shaka is forever shaka was on watch what happens last week and fucking slayed shaka was like um andy was like what can you tell us about the late prince and she was like he was lonely she is then he goes, were you guys close? And she was like, not in the last year. In the last year. She's so good.
Starting point is 01:19:52 He goes, what can you tell us about Aretha Franklin? You're one of her few friends. And she goes, yeah, well, she didn't have time for anyone else. She's so, like, indignant. Shaka is it. Shaka is it. And she also looks Absolutely smashed Her and Grace Jones
Starting point is 01:20:07 Are hands down Such iconic people And the way they speak And just are like Matter of fact About absolutely Like don't bother me with that I don't want none of that
Starting point is 01:20:14 She's like what are you doing It's also these women That are like still around That like Patti LaBelle's Of it all The Chaka's of it all It's like whenever Whitney gets
Starting point is 01:20:22 I forget Aaron Jackson Mentioned the other day That like He thinks it was An interview with Aaron Jackson mentioned the other day that like... He thinks it was an interview with Patti LaValle, which was like... She was being asked about Whitney and she was like, yeah, you know, when Whitney got older and her voice went away. I never lost my voice.
Starting point is 01:20:34 Like they can't stop. They can't stop themselves. I never lost my voice. It has to be like... Oh, my. Wow. A loop back to them. I love that. It's so... I never that it's so i never lost my i never lost
Starting point is 01:20:48 my voice i oh my god that's so fucking good so good you know i think there was one of my favorite stories about uh like i think it was grace jones it was studio 54 when bianca jagger showed up nude and the white horse and grace jones was the corner and is like I did that last year on a white tiger I think I heard about this yes I did that last year on a white tiger
Starting point is 01:21:12 girlfriend you are so on girlfriend you are so on when I said girlfriend you were so on when I said girlfriend you were so on if you're listening Donald Trump
Starting point is 01:21:24 if you're listening I think you know what you're doing and I't know, Chum, if you're listening. I think you know what you're doing. And I'll see you on the field. And love will win. No, she goes, I will harness love for political gain.
Starting point is 01:21:34 And I will meet you. Political gain. Or political whatever. And she goes, I will meet you on that field. And sir, she goes, sir. And sir,
Starting point is 01:21:40 love will win. I just want to take this moment to please vote for Elizabeth Warren at every point. Yes. Please do everything you can to get Elizabeth Warren. I am want to take this moment to please vote for Elizabeth Warren at every point. Yes. Please do everything you can to get Elizabeth Warren. So prior to the debates, I was like fully in the tank for Warren. No.
Starting point is 01:21:52 What about now? Despite I had given more money to Kamala, and now I've given even more money to Kamala, and I am a Kamala supporter. I am a Kamala and Warren supporter. I support them both. I'm looking forward to supporting them both all the way to the end until they're the final two and then I'll make my decision.
Starting point is 01:22:06 They took a very cute selfie and I'm sorry that I'm describing it in these very like, you know, I don't mean to be patronizing. Stop, white. You are pejorative
Starting point is 01:22:15 towards women. No, but they took such a cute selfie I think last night or the night before where it was just like, it was like, oh, these two fucking
Starting point is 01:22:21 Well, they do like each other. I genuinely believe that most people up there like each other. In fact, like in the debate, in the second night debate, they even said, I just want to say there's a lot of people up here with great ideas. But to me, it's just like the big story of it is that Biden isn't prepared. Yes, which is perfect.
Starting point is 01:22:38 And that's what I love. I love that, too. It's what I love. That is one thing I truly enjoy about so many awful white men is that they just get their comeuppance that is the definition of privilege he would have gotten his comeuppance if this was a Republican
Starting point is 01:22:51 totally but since he's going up against people I think it's the definition of privilege to wait to announce last coast on your sorry but buddy's accomplishments the whole fucking time and then act like you are like entitled to to success in these debates and success in this
Starting point is 01:23:16 primary you have a lot of amazing politicians that are up there that have been working for this since the moment trump got elected, maybe even before. And I have always been someone who's had his eye on Kamala. And I actually saw her speak at a fundraiser. I went to a fundraiser in Los Angeles with Nico,
Starting point is 01:23:37 shout out, and Greta, and Abe, and we all went, and I gave money, and I was, I felt like I was watching someone who could be president speak and she said and she looked everyone in the eyes and she said I fully intend to win this election and I bought it and that's the thing about her last night is
Starting point is 01:23:53 I bought every word she said and I bought her as a leader and as a president and most importantly I think in the immediate in the immediacy of it all I bought her as someone who can make Trump look fucking stupid. Well she's very good at forensic stuff, at just like debate,
Starting point is 01:24:08 at like breaking, at like poking holes in your argument. She's much more, like she is much more tactful about being, at attacking people. She'll walk you
Starting point is 01:24:17 right up to the cliff. Yeah, she will. She's a prosecutor. Like she gets it. Which is sort of why I want Warren more. See, it doesn't matter to me which one of them is president. I just think I want them both in there as long as possible.
Starting point is 01:24:30 And I want them in positions of power in our government. And they are already, but, you know. I truly just want. A leader's a leader. I want, of those, I think it just doesn't make any sense. Because there's a, literally, for whoever, whatever man you want to vote for in this primary, there is literally a woman of equal or greater value than me.
Starting point is 01:24:49 So it's insane to even support any woman. Including Marianne. Someone said to me, he's like, let me vote. If you're going to vote for Biden, you better just vote for Marianne. Someone said to me, they were like, let me float this ticket by you, Warren and Booker. I'm like, see, why? I was like, why when there's Kamala there, you get everything and more?
Starting point is 01:25:06 It doesn't make any sense. It was like when Hillary fucking brought Tim Kaine on with her. I was like, who the fuck? Why? The Spanish, honestly. How dare we? That's insane. LOL ironic. And because he was kind of like a centrist. He was
Starting point is 01:25:21 the most guy. I would rather have her put a cup of tapioca pudding in front of me and be like this is my vice president I'm like well I'll vote
Starting point is 01:25:29 for you still for tapioca no um I got reminded of another thing Marianne said was um just a really quick
Starting point is 01:25:35 offhand thing was um she goes um and you can have a young body but old ideas yes you can have a young body
Starting point is 01:25:43 but old ideas it's very funny. Honestly. An icon. You know what? Like I said before, so fucking what if she's not gonna make it that far. I mean, maybe she changes minds for the worse and
Starting point is 01:25:57 makes more people anti-vax or whatever, which I don't think she actually is. But even if she was an anti-vax, ex-homophobe, like I said, she's a fun Anita Bryant and don't think she actually is but even if she was an anti-vax ex-homophobe like I said she's a fun Anita Bryant and don't we stan they came for her hard on The View too she should for sure
Starting point is 01:26:12 she should be on TV she should just be on TV Drag Race Judge she has a blog on her she has a blog on her website and she like posted a clip of her on The View, and then the title of it was, that she wrote was,
Starting point is 01:26:30 Meghan McCain, bless your heart. You try to comfort me. You told me straight up to drop out of this race, and I will never do it. She literally said Meghan McCain, bless your heart. Meghan McCain on The View today was actually nicer than Sonny was.
Starting point is 01:26:44 Sonny was like, I was embarrassed for her. It was like, Sonny was being nicer than Sonny was. Sonny was like, I was embarrassed for her. It was like, Sonny was being kind of cruel. And Megan McCain was just like, this provided me so much entertainment. I had a bunch of people over. Maybe I'm meaner than you guys, but I was laughing my ass off at this. And Sonny was like, I was embarrassed for her. I was
Starting point is 01:26:57 really embarrassed for her. And my 16 year old son said, what is a president? And I said, all you have to be is a certain age, but that doesn't mean you should. It was just like, bitch she's gonna drop out she's she's not gonna be president although sudi said she thought it made us look stupid as a party and i don't i don't i don't really think so i don't think it's bad to have a diversity of opinion even if it's weird opinions and well um what was i gonna say what was I going to say? What was I going to say? Oh, fucking God, could you imagine
Starting point is 01:27:25 a worse social situation than a fucking viewing party at Meghan McCain's? Oh my God. What a fucking nightmare. I would scream in so many languages. It would be,
Starting point is 01:27:37 oh God. Before we get to I Don't Think So Honey, how's it been for writing on Shrill? Oh my God, yes. I,
Starting point is 01:27:44 it's really, I've been really lucky, especially this job and the last job I had, it's been women run rooms. Yes. And it is the most efficient, fun spaces I've ever been in in my life. You've got some great people in there. It's hands down.
Starting point is 01:27:57 Like, I can't, like, I'm counting my lucky stars and I'm worried that I will, everything will be taken from me because it's been way too nice. No, stop, stop, stop. I'm re-watching the first season now because it's been way too nice. No, stop, stop, stop. I'm re-watching the first season now, and it's really, really good. It makes me, because I've actually,
Starting point is 01:28:10 I've known Lindy West. Oh, really? Yes. I'm in the book. You're in the book? Briefly mentioned Solomon Georgiou. That's my first credit. Briefly mentioned and shrill by Lindy West.
Starting point is 01:28:22 No, I was living in Seattle, and right when I started comedy, that's when I became friends her and yeah so it was bananas to be in the room with her because every once in a while we just look at each other like tv show yeah that's so cool that's so cool like we were we were like oh we were just 20 something not that long ago now it's like oh wow this is bananas it's so cool and you're it's yeah like it's so cool. And you're, it's, yeah, like it's so crazy how that works out
Starting point is 01:28:47 where it's like you're this qualified, amazing comedian and writer. Look, I'm amazing, qualified. Let's not just throw that out.
Starting point is 01:28:54 Amazing, qualified. No, yes, no, thank you. And then, you know,
Starting point is 01:28:57 and Sudi loves you. Sudi is truly, she's an icon. She's, Sudi is, Sudi just fucking blows Marianne out of the water in terms of Icon sudi just fucking blows marianne out of the water in terms of i can not go
Starting point is 01:29:06 blows marianne out of the water culture number 44 sudi blows marianne out of the water um sudi said to me the other day she goes i will not enthusiastically support a man for president i was like even if he's the nominee and she goes no yeah i mean she'll vote for him i mean yes i was just but i was
Starting point is 01:29:24 thinking to myself after she said that i was like she often says things and i'm like what are you talking about and then 15 minutes and then 15 minutes later i'm like she's right because she'll break it down for you yeah like we had this whole thing i'm not shy about saying this like remember we were at my house over the summer and it was right after ariana grande had worn that dress at aretha franklin's funeral and i was like i mean she could have dressed appropriately for the funeral and she was like she pointed at me and she was like no you always take the side of the woman in this situation she would wear whatever she wants yes and it'd feel good to say that right and i was like sudi and then afterwards i was like no she's right she should wear whatever she
Starting point is 01:29:55 wants of course she's right yeah she's always right and then for the and and the whipsaw to that is that ariana got fucking gross yeah but that was totally separate from what i was saying yeah but and fuck you for bringing it up i'm not saying that you tied it to that is that Ariana got fucking Groped yeah but that was totally separate from what I was Saying yeah but and fuck you for Bringing it up I'm not saying that you tied It to that argument I'm saying like for Ariana For Ari it's like she wore A thing and then like that was An invitation an un
Starting point is 01:30:16 Open like an uninvited Thing for someone to like fucking Her you know Touch her so yeah that was totally Separate from what I was saying no that's not I'm not you are by bringing it up you are saying that you know what I yeah thank you Salman by taking
Starting point is 01:30:32 no side at all you're taking no he took my side I took neither side I am neither I see how both of them are right and I'm okay to not select one and it's actually very modern to hold two conflicting ideas in your head at the same just like Joe Biden just like Joe Biden to hold two conflicting ideas in your head at the same time. Just like Joe Biden. Just like Joe Biden. Constant conflicting ideas.
Starting point is 01:30:47 Constant conflicting ideas. Pick one. I feel like he's never approved of himself in his head. Wow. I think that's all false bravado. I mean, talk about someone who's truly sat there. Just as truly our government has fallen into the separate sex that it is. I mean, he's been involved the whole fucking
Starting point is 01:31:06 time and he just has all these terrible terrible marks on his right I mean also the Anita Hill stuff and if you if we don't have like his career yeah insane but can we talk about his selection of new teeth why is it impossible he don't look good like someone
Starting point is 01:31:21 once finally said do celebrities know that teeth come in medium do celebrities know that teeth come in medium? I love that. Do celebrities know that teeth come in medium? Wow. Because they just go for the biggest new set of chompers, and it's bananas because it's so brilliant white. It's like, what are you doing?
Starting point is 01:31:38 Why old? 100%. Oh, my God. Well, it's time for I Don't Think So Honey. Yes, this is our segment where we take one minute to go off on culture. Solomon, veteran of the form, who came up because we had some dropouts as we do at our shows. Our last Brooklyn show, we had a couple dropouts.
Starting point is 01:31:55 Solomon was in attendance anyway. He was in attendance and we said, well, we literally stopped the stage. Can you come up after the second half? And he was like, absolutely. Came up fucking killed. And I was like, oh, he didn't even know he was going to do the show until like 20 minutes ago.
Starting point is 01:32:13 What a fucking genius. Look, I just have a lot of things to be unhappy about. I love that. A lot of I don't think so's just flowing through me at all times. Flowing through. Okay, so let's start with Matt. You have something?
Starting point is 01:32:22 Or I can go first. I think I do. I mean, I don't think so many of us Joe Biden, but I can still do my thing. Yes. Okay. I think you still can. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many of his time starts now.
Starting point is 01:32:32 I don't think so many hick and looper. Who the fuck are you? What did you do? I'm not even kidding you. Do I remember one thing you said? I don't think so, honey. Like, it's not even about you having bad ideas or bad positions. It's the fact that I don't recall anything that happened.
Starting point is 01:32:52 I know you stood to the left of Marianne. Literally, I know where you were in relation to Marianne, bitch. Do I remember anything you did or said? I don't think so, honey. I also want to say, I don't think so, honey. Bennett, bitch, it's called a consonant. Chew on it. Bitch, you need to learn how to speak words.
Starting point is 01:33:11 You're coming from my Coloradans. I think that he should learn how to talk. Does he know how to talk? I don't think so, honey. 15 seconds. I don't think so, honey. Really, all the white men on the stage, except Mayor Pete, who I still like. Maybe he's not the best in Solomon's words but I still like Mayor Pete.
Starting point is 01:33:25 I still find him impressive. Five seconds. I think he is running for vice president. Should he be president? I don't think so honey but I don't think so honey any of these white dudes.
Starting point is 01:33:31 And that's one minute. You like Swalwell. Did you say you would fuck Swalwell? No I said I would fuck Swalwell. That's a whole different story. That's a whole different thing.
Starting point is 01:33:38 You know everyone's saying they'd fuck Inslee too and I'm like this is a weird creepy daddy thing. I don't know. That is. As a Seattleite what's the demonym? Seattleite. Inslee too and I'm like this is a weird creepy daddy thing like I don't know that is yeah as a
Starting point is 01:33:45 Seattle and as a Seattleite what's the demonym Seattleite I kind of love that Seattleite that's what it's called yeah that's what it is I kind of love oh that's fun maybe that you know that's what it is yeah we did that and like how is Jay Inslee
Starting point is 01:34:01 were you ever in the state when he was governor I think I was in the state for the very beginning of his term. And it's fine. It's really one of those places where it's just like, you can't really mess up because there's enough liberal votes that you can. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's fine. He's fine.
Starting point is 01:34:18 He's fine. Oh, also de Blasio. That was a fucking joke. De Blasio. Screaming. He made one good point. He had some good moments. He made one good point about how people in this country believe that immigrants have created their bad situation. When really that's all corporate bullshit.
Starting point is 01:34:31 And everybody's like, look at this turd shine. Like, calm down. He's not. He's still not. It was truly one good point. And I do think it's like the most direct that that's been said somehow. Sure, sure. But like, what the fuck are you doing there, dude?
Starting point is 01:34:44 The city's on fire fucking yeah hick and looper and bennett you know my two my two colorado daddies so hick and looper is is kind of an interesting i mean yeah like very moderate dude truly what did he even say i don't remember i didn't really want i was i didn't watch live last night but you're not i'm trying to remember i just watched the whole thing today. I know. And I like do not remember anything. Also, Tim Ryan.
Starting point is 01:35:10 What the hell? Tim Ryan. Tim Ryan. And truly the confidence these men have to even show up. Yeah. You can call in sick, buddy. You're not going to be president. And oh, and Delaney
Starting point is 01:35:26 some people are it's interesting there was like a headline that was like Delaney cements himself as the as like the sad sack of this primary season and stuff it's like oh well we don't have to like think of it in those terms I will say this if you're gonna be a boring white guy at least come out there
Starting point is 01:35:44 with strong with an issue. And this is what I appreciate about Inslee is he made it about climate change. He's obviously the climate change candidate. And I think he's not playing to win.
Starting point is 01:35:51 And that's like, fine. At least he's making a dent. He's focusing on one policy. And he's coming for a cabinet position, which is like fine. Which is brilliant. That's some great words.
Starting point is 01:35:59 It is definitely trued. But Swalwell too, his thing is guns. And I appreciate someone up there making it about gun control. Because it's something that, because it's not right on the tip of our tongues right now, we forget about. But it is a serious, serious problem. And I appreciate someone's up there making it about guns. And Gillibrand also, I think, is not playing to win.
Starting point is 01:36:23 I think she's playing for cabinet or VP. And she's making it about guns and jillibrand also i think is not playing to win i think she's playing for cabinet or vp and she's making it about a few issues as well well no because it's brilliant because a fucking the debate questions they were bad he's gonna do it yes please do so yeah yeah i mean i literally was about to transition into what i think you're doing
Starting point is 01:36:39 so please by all means i mean i'm just gonna i'm mine's not about yeah by all means explain it we'll discuss it after we'll discuss Mine's not about. Yeah. By all means, explain it. We'll discuss it after. We'll discuss it after. I might not have too much to work off of. Well, I love all this qualifying. Stop.
Starting point is 01:36:52 This is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey as time starts now. I don't think so many Chuck Todd. And I'm going to go after your fucking looks, bitch. I don't like your little art bangs that you're trying out. You just shave the whole thing. You'd look great with a bald head, honey. And you're trying to go for real smug, and you're bringing this attitude to all your questions,
Starting point is 01:37:12 and you're really pushing. You're like, answer the question, Tensei. You're like, you. There was not this energy with Savannah or with Jose or with Lester. 30 seconds. You and Matto. Matto was also being real like,
Starting point is 01:37:27 I'm going to be bookish and scholarly and eye-rolly and look at this guy. I just didn't like the whole tone and tenor of the debates when they were moderating. I was like, I'm not into this. Give me Savannah. Give me the straights. Give me the straights and not Chuck Todd,
Starting point is 01:37:44 who I'm going to consider to be queer because he has art bangs. Five seconds. give me Savannah, give me the straights, give me the straights and not Chuck Todd, who, you know, I'm going to consider to be queer because he has art bangs. And so also you are just so God, you've ruined meet the press, meet the press daily. No way. You run that show into the ground. That's one minute.
Starting point is 01:37:57 I, I think that honestly, like the questions were so bad. I'm sorry, but these issues aren't one word issues. So they're going to need to say more than one word. It's like, I wish there was like some sort of like platform, maybe on the internet that lets you know exactly what the issues are
Starting point is 01:38:14 that people are focused. Oh yeah, there is. There's literally so much like you could have just gotten what was the trending topics of the day from the fucking internet. He's not good. Truly the dumbest questions I ever thought. It could have easily just been, what do you guys think of Trump?
Starting point is 01:38:32 Go. Also, why did we need five moderators? Why did we need to switch? Because of fairness or something. I don't know. Fairness? Because it was split over two nights and so they needed two sets of moderators so that they didn't get too fatigued or something. I don't know. Fairness. Because there's so many, because it was split over two nights and so they needed like two sets of moderators so that they didn't get too fatigued or something.
Starting point is 01:38:48 I don't know what the rationale was. Was one of the moderators the sound person? Because they for sure. Oh, the sound person. Oh, that was ridiculous too. That was a fucking joke. That was like out of fucking Veep or some shit. Yeah, it was so stupid.
Starting point is 01:38:59 That's insane. That's literally the easiest thing to not mismanage and it's just the first thing they fucked. Oh, and then on night one, yeah, that was the night where it was like asking Warren about gun control, about Parkland. It was like kind of so inappropriate
Starting point is 01:39:11 and so like, oh God, this is so sad and embarrassing. You ruined a great moment. Well, it was just, yeah. That was rough and I really, I mean, whoever told, I think it was Sudi that said, someone obviously told Rachel Maddow and Chuck Todd they're fun together. Their bit in the beginning when Chuck was like, you know, Rachel, I had a was Sudi that said, someone obviously told Rachel Maddow and Chuck Todd their fun together. Their bit in the beginning when Chuck was like,
Starting point is 01:39:28 you know, Rachel, I had a dream we did this before. And she's like, nope, never. This is the first time. I was like, you guys, this sucks. What is that? It's truly painful. Just ask the question. Just do your job. We don't need a bit. Yeah. I'm not here for moderators having fun. No. Just like, honestly, or honestly, like, get
Starting point is 01:39:44 someone in there who can write you a good joke. Yeah. No. Because you have to understand they don't have that ability to deliver a joke. I believe Maddow does.
Starting point is 01:39:52 Maddow does. No Maddow will throw down a dad joke like no one's business. And Maddow will be like Nicole Silverberg has this great observation that Rachel Maddow
Starting point is 01:40:02 will like say something like we've got we've got two pages out of fucking, you know, Steve Mnuchin's tax returns from 2014. Grab your popcorn. Like, but earnestly is like, so get your popcorn ready. It's like, no, you're you're the wonkiest fucking person alive. Like, literally, you are a wonk. Like, you love this shit.
Starting point is 01:40:22 Oh, and you're the only person who's interested in this, plus, like, whatever other, like, scholarly people. Also, I think she truly finds funny is when she just explains something so well. And, like, when she gets, like, the happiest she's ever been, the most she laughs, is right when she gives the final words
Starting point is 01:40:39 to this whole, like, like, every day, every day of her bed, like, she's just like, and that is why these tax returns matter. And you're like like like she's just like and that is why these tax returns matter and you're like and she's just so
Starting point is 01:40:48 yeah she laughs hysterically at a good point and then she'll be like so happy like happy loves the daily show she'll stick the landing and she'll be like she'll stick the landing
Starting point is 01:40:56 and she'll be like I know like that's that's Rachel and you're like you just talked about the devastating the ending of democracy
Starting point is 01:41:03 but here you are just I figured it out I know I I I love it for it. You just talked about the ending of democracy, but here you are just, I figured it out. I know. I love it, though. That's what I was when I was in high school. Yeah, same. I was like that kid in my own UN, except I sucked at it.
Starting point is 01:41:15 She does have valedictorian energy. The day after, Rhodes Scholar energy, the day after the election in 2016, she gave the perfect sort of firesideide chatty, like opening a block. And, and it was like exactly what I needed to hear. And most other Americans too. Okay. Solomon, it's time.
Starting point is 01:41:32 Okay. I have a troll bowl. Okay. Oh, okay. Okay. So Solomon, Solomon, you've told us that you would like to do a troll bowl. I've always wanted to do one. Yes.
Starting point is 01:41:40 I have one for you. Matt has a topic. Solomon Giorgio. Your I don't think so honey topic is pride and your time starts now I don't think so honey pride okay first of all corporate
Starting point is 01:41:56 sponsors yeah we get it every gay person needs to be represented by your fucking brand also why do I have to show up to the busiest part of the fucking town I should be at a rooftop getting highiest part of the fucking town? I should be at our rooftop getting high on molly in the fucking morning. Also, the morning. Why are
Starting point is 01:42:12 you happening in the fucking morning? Stonewall happened at fucking night. Why are we up in the goddamn fucking morning? Also, I don't think so, Honey Pryde. Are you kidding me with the floats what are these they're not even shapes i expected that all these queer people could put together a
Starting point is 01:42:33 decent float but all i get is like 15 seconds i get forceps and a bunch of dancing go-go boys oh where's the flare where's the fireworks where's artistry? Where's the fucking drag of it all? Yeah. Five seconds. And I don't think that's a bad idea for me. And that's one minute. Honestly, you're right. Absolutely. There's absolutely no shapes. There's no shapes.
Starting point is 01:42:53 There's no silhouettes. Those floats are so fucking obnoxious. I guess. Well, the only like. I was on a float. Were you? The only. The other two.
Starting point is 01:42:59 Big ones. Yes. The only big ones are the corporate ones. Like the only ones that are really embellished and like gorgeous and you're like, wow, so much care and craftsmanship was put into this are the corporate ones like the only ones that are really embellished and like gorgeous and you're like wow so much care and craftsmanship was put into this are the corporate ones there should be a giant Judy Garland float yes with her head yes just a
Starting point is 01:43:14 massive just Liza Minnelli like there should be more themes to things and that's what really I think cut all the floats just make it a balloon parade and every balloon is an iconic diva actually yes of course actually you, you know, you know what it is though? Um,
Starting point is 01:43:27 the Nash, the nationality floats. So they'll have like delegates from different nations. We'll do like cultural shows for everybody. It's like, it's like, it'll be like 40 people on a grid just like doing like a dance. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:43:41 And I'm kind of like, okay, yes. Like, that's what I want. Okay. Yeah. Okay. okay yes i'm like okay yes like mexico last year like had an incredible fucking thing yeah and like god it's
Starting point is 01:43:52 i mean yeah i find the cultural ones to be like so you are you are like narrating the parade i'm at the grandstand and i'm announcing the floats as they combine yes that's very fun will you shout me out when the other two i will shout you out when the other two float by? I will shout you out when the other two float by. I don't go on until like 3 p.m. So not in the morning but in the afternoon. So the more respectable hour but the more respectable.
Starting point is 01:44:11 But the tail end, it's chill, it's mellow. You'll get to sleep in after the big party we're going to on Saturday. I know. Wow.
Starting point is 01:44:17 I need to sleep in tonight. I don't think I'm going to go out tonight. I am. That's respectable. Where are you going to go? Horse meat? Horse meat.
Starting point is 01:44:22 What's horse meat? I don't have tickets. I got an extra ticket. Okay, well have fun. I'm not even cool. No, you meat. What's horse meat? I don't have tickets. I got an extra ticket. Okay, well have fun. I'm not even cool. No, you are. You don't have horse meat. I'm an old bitch.
Starting point is 01:44:29 No, no, no. I didn't say I had extra tickets. I said someone gave me. I didn't have tickets. That's great. Perfect. But anyway. Wow.
Starting point is 01:44:35 Everyone's just cool. Look, I get it. I'm an elder. You're on three hours of sleep. Maybe you should take tonight off. I might take tonight off. I'm an aging queen. Come to this thing tomorrow.
Starting point is 01:44:42 We'll give you the info. Okay. I thought you were leaving town today. Yeah, we thought you were leaving. No, I'm just busy next week. Okay, bitch. Okay, you don't have to be such a bitch. Did you not hear all my credits? You know what, Solomon? You don't have to be such a white bitch.
Starting point is 01:44:56 I would like to give a quick RIP to Matt. He's the one who said it. He's the one who said it. The both of you combined, if I ever be called white again, if any of your fans show up on my feeds, call me a bitch all you like, but you call me white, you die tonight.
Starting point is 01:45:14 You call me white, you die tonight. It's actually rule of culture number 93. You call me white, you die tonight. Solomon's tour, Diva, starts on July 5th in Washington, D.C., our nation's capital, honey. If that's not topical for you, shove it up your ass. And future home to Marianne Williamson herself. President Marianne Williamson. And if you don't like that, go ahead, you're so on.
Starting point is 01:45:36 You're so on. We finish every episode with a song. And actually, before we do, I forgot to tell you I'm mad at you. Me? Because you don't think this is the song of the summer. Me? What song? Come on, go. Two reasons just like that.
Starting point is 01:45:55 My answer takes me back. Thought it was done, but I guess it's never really over. Just because it's over doesn't mean it's really over. And if I think of it Maybe you'll become Another again And I have to get over you
Starting point is 01:46:08 All over again Just because it's over Doesn't mean it's really over No, shut it down, shut it down, Shut it down, shut it down, Shut it down, shut it down, Maybe you'll become Another again
Starting point is 01:46:15 And I have to get over you All over again The music video is fine. It's really good And it's actually appropriating White woman culture Instead of all the other Racial culture
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