Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Advanced Actresses" (w/ Tyler Coates)

Episode Date: March 7, 2018

He is the original Conjuring Cat. He is peak Grizabella. He is…the most cultured guest EVER to grace the LC mic. Tyler Coates is here - and class is in session. Tyler saw Bernadette Peters on Broadway more times than you did (listen and check and report back to me). Tyler saw Beauty And The Beast ON ICE as a child (and it was formative - can you say the same?). And if that wasn’t enough culture - the man has seen CATS THE MUSICAL!! Yes honey, Tyler’s “culture that defined him” is Cats the Musical - so buckle up the little ones and rum tum tug on this spicy podcast.Jennifer Lawrence gets dragged. The Oscars get dragged (Kobe Bryant?? Seriously???). Even Balloons get dragged. Like the famous saying goes: “no one is safe from these Advanced Actresses!”LAS CULTURISTAS HAS A PATREON! For $5/month, you get exclusive access to WEEKLY Patreon-ONLY Las Culturistas content!!https://www.patreon.com/lasculturistasSUBSCRIBE ON APPLE PODCASTS TODAY!CONNECT W/ LAS CULTURISTAS ON FACEBOOK & TWITTER for the best in "I Don't Think So, Honey" action, updates on live shows, conversations with the Las Culturistas community, and behind-the scenes photos/videos:www.facebook.com/lasculturistastwitter.com/lasculturistasLAS CULTURISTAS IS A FOREVER DOG PODCASTforeverdogpodcasts.com/las-culturistas  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas.

Ding dong, Las culturistas calling well we just talked about how it's going to be a heavy cult episode i think we are saturated to the point of crystallization i'm bloating with cult absolutely i think you put a little seed crystal in the whole beaker turns into solid crystal, a lattice. Do you think my face looks fat with cult? Absolutely. I think you are, what's the word?

A birthday boy. A birthday boy. Oh, you guys, it's Matt's birthday today on this day of recording. Yeah. March 5th. It's the 5th of March. March 5th, 2018. But this will be released on the March of 7th.

Absolutely. Matt, how does it feel to be 28? Today has been a day of ups and downs. Okay. Mostly because of all the culture that's happening. And culture will always take you up and take you down. I think this is our number one most cultured guest that we've had. And in fact, so cultured that it is in their job title absolutely

let's go through the credits and we in fact have also let and this is another credit yeah we've deemed this person so one of such cultural expertise one that they were a judge on our culture war absolutely and they were the essential force. Yes. The essential locus of that judging panel. Because then you had Michelle Collins and Joel Kimbooster who were just loose cannons. Goof offs. Really just goof offs. But this person just legitimized the whole affair

I would say. Absolutely. I would say that they brought the gravitas. Absolutely. And it's rule number 74 of culture. You gotta bring the gravitas. Let's go through the credits. He is the culture editor at Esquire. You ever heard of it, bitch? Bitch?

Esquire? I was like, love GQ, but I was always an Esquire boy in my teens. Wow, controversial. And then in college, we refused to subscribe to GQ. I do love GQ. Gotta say I love GQ. You don't gotta say it. Well, I gotta say it. But Esquire was the one

that we got every every month i feel that they both like talk about being really stylish but esquire is really stylish but esquire actually came out with like the the actual primers primers however you want to pronounce it on style pre-maze um culture editor esquire he is also um as you mentioned former judge at culture yes perhaps future judge of culture if we do another installment returning maybe he'll maybe maybe we'll ask him back maybe maybe um and also this goes you loved him i loved him in uh the seminal web series disappointing gay best friend because he taught us that there are other models of gay best friendship. Yeah, you don't have to be supportive. You don't have to be supportive. You can just be like, no, let's stay in.

Which I for real appreciate this. Because, no, we'll get into this. Because this was around the same time as that great guy at Second City who did all the... What? What? What are you doing? That guy. Who was... You just need that guy who was you just need what was that the

shakespeare that uh they're just like uh like the gay best friend basically yeah okay but this he was he was the perfect counterweight i love it to our guest so please welcome tyler coats thank you hi tyler i'm so excited to be here do you feel like there is a heavy expectation now that we've called you our most cultured guests yeah i do feel a little that's okay that's okay cards are stacked against me either way we'll see how they fall i don't know i think the cards are stacked perfectly perfectly it's a full house it's a full house yeah it's a full house do you know poker because we don't no okay you speak for me like do you and you sound very stupid when you say that i don't know poker honey do you know poker i did at one time there you go when i was doing my straight

drag in high school like uh texas hold'em yep like texas hold'em i even have a poker set wow deep in the annals of my room somewhere okay deep in the annals the chips will fall um tyler what was your what would you say was your most you know cis het performative element as a boy growing up in virginia virginia very tiny town in virginia um i don't know like dave matthews band oh that's it that's it yeah that's it when i was in high school no one liked they thought it was too weird because i feel like i i feel like the dave matthews band ship the window was very small. It was, I don't know, I would say it was like early to late 90s.

Yeah. I really like that one song. You got your ball, you got your chain tied to me, tie me up again. I kind of think that's kind of beautiful. Yeah, it is beautiful. Crashing to me is that? Yeah, Lady Bird just legitimized it. There you go.

Wait, was it? It was deeply in Lady Bird. So much so that I hope that if she had won the Oscar, they would have just played that with the orchestra. That, as she walks up Crash into me, as she leaves Crimea River. Yeah. Yeah, actually, I think I i read this that she had to

ask permission oh yeah everyone that she used their music and she published her letters that she had written to all of them i saw the one about justin timberlake and then there was another one i think maybe it was alanis morissette i could be making that someone some yeah a female artist it was um but dave matthews band i feel like yeah that's that's pretty good yeah i feel like a lot of like 100 skit like classic rock shit okay sure sure right we all did that yeah when i was on like the cross-country bus to track meets um they would all listen to you know actually this is pretty queer but they listened to bohemian rhapsody on repeat and i felt like a part of it and but it was all these straight men like screaming it.

And I was like, there's something deeply gay about this. And I don't just mean all of the men like, or young men orgasmically screaming together to like a, what is really a pop hook. Yeah. There was something else going on. And it was queen.

It was. It was queen. Yeah. I want to say that I put out, I put out a little feeler in my in my facebook group for my high school reunion i said who's gay now yeah i saw you post this no one responded that's because they're still ashamed i even went to the facebook group to see because i saw that and nothing nothing except for robbie craddock but he commented was then still am now lol and i was like high five robbie um we never really

crossed paths that much but robbie is out there maybe at the reunion here's the thing our class president is nowhere to be found oh my god zach glenn i hope he's doing okay i genuinely hope he's doing okay um but no one can reach out to him so then these people are just very haphazardly planning it for like like someone put up a poll that was like what months were August April like these months that I would never be home for this reunion's not happening

it's not happening I feel like they have to be legitimized by the class president organizing and they have to be like around Thanksgiving or Christmas yeah and so I just don't think it's gonna happen and then I saw one thing where it was like let's do a picnic in the summer. And if for those of us who have kids to bring our kids and I'm like, okay, no, I don't, I don't know if I want to go to that then.

Right. No, I think the odds of me going are sort of 50 50 because my class president was a close friend of mine that I still am friends with Sam. Okay. And, but I don't know what she's doing. If she organizes it, if she gets her shit together, then I'll go because i know that all my friends will be there right but if it's organized by like who the fuck knows sure then i'm not going did you go to your tenure no no there wasn't even one i don't know i mean we're not in touch with it no i mean well i grew up it's

very very small town so most people stay so like you know So like, you know, I can go home for Christmas and see someone at the Food Lion and I'd be like, hey, you're, okay, cool. Food Lion. The Food Lion.

The Food Lion. Lion. The Food Lion. Yes. I thought you meant the Food Lion, like, you know, the line for the food.

It's the Food Lion. You lying about it? Where in Virginia? It's a tiny town called Montross. I love it. 300 people. Oh, shit.

My parents are both from there. At least two grandparents are from there like it's an hour from Richmond from Pittsburgh to like an hour from anything so you're one of the first to leave Montrose yeah yeah yeah my mother went to college an hour away and went right back

oh well see reminds me of the song merry-go-round by Casey Musgraves Absolutely You know Go on, sing it Mama's hooked on Mary Kay

Brother's hooked on Mary J Daddy's hooked on Mary Two doors down Yes, keep going Mary, Mary, quite contrary We get bored so we get married Just like dust we settle in this town finish up the chorus honey come on on this mary broken broken mary go round and round and round we go where

it stops nobody knows and it ain't slowing down this mary go around this is gorgeous song running beautiful that chorus it feels like it never ends. And that's the whole point of the song. That's the point. I'm sorry, okay. Are you a Casey fan? I like a couple of her songs. I had my country phase in high school.

Except for Maren Morris, which we've talked about. Maren Morris, which we've talked about. Love Maren. Now, I think Maren's doing the crossover thing a little too early. She's doing it. But it's too early. She should have had one more. I don't know. I'm not telling her how to plan her career. No, you are, and I think you should's doing the crossover thing a little too early. She's doing it. But it's too early. Yeah. She should have had one more. I don't know.

I'm not telling her how to plan her career. No, you are. And I think you should. Fine. Okay. I will tell her to lay off the face tune on her Instagram. She's doing a lot of face tunes. Too much.

Her hair's too short, too. Yeah. I like the length. She should have someone doing that for her who knows what they're doing. Yeah. Absolutely. She's clearly doing it herself, which I respect the authenticity. Sure.

She, to me, is hyper millennial in a way that's like slow it down slow it down right yeah sure she can't she's an 80s mercedes she's a 90s baby she can't do anything about it that's true that but what a perfect song that was bowen yang's number one song played on spot i think it was two years in a row that was your number two though tyler i think this year yeah oh good. I mean, you want to know something? Like I fully got my life to that song. Like it clicked in my head. Well, the first time I heard it was good friends Greg Kozatek and Doug Anderson.

We drove down to Philly to do some canvassing for the election. This was literally, this was on my birthday, two days before the election, November 6th, 2016. Heard it for the first time. I was like, who is this? What an amazing song. And then for the whole week, I mean for the whole rest of was like who is this what an amazing song and then for the

whole week i mean for the whole rest of the next 48 hours listen to it on repeat election day i'm like walking over to littlefield this for this fucking show we were doing at littlefield and just blasting that and i remember feeling good feeling great because i had like because that tweet came up about remember that tweet that went viral about the Trump cake that was being willed into Trump Tower about how fucking crazy that Trump bust cake looked. And I was like, LOL, he's going to fucking lose.

This is going to feel amazing. And let me blast Maren fucking Morris in my headphones. And, you know. That was your first mistake. That was my first mistake. She wasn't even really a Hillary supporter. Oh, yeah.

Because here's the thing. They had Maren and Casey on a round table. Yeah. Get the country girls together. They get real. And then just the moderator sort of did them dirty and just brought up the election. And they were like, where's Ron Paul? Well, no, that was Casey Masgraves. Casey's like, well, the table goes quiet.

And then Casey's like, you know, where's Ron Paul when you need him? And they're like, yeah, yeah, where's Ron Paul? But I feel like Maren has like sort of been like, like she's rejected the shut up and sing thing. Totally, which is great. She's a little bit more outspoken. Yes.

Who she will be replacing as the pop crossover. Wow. That's my prediction. As a culture expert. As a culture expert. Do you have any interest interest in and any editorial about marin other than just she needs to work on the face tune i think a little too much i think there's a whole think piece in that i think and and while i'm happy that she's crossing over i

don't want her to be auto-tuned yeah because that zip zap zock song she did With what's Zed It's called The Middle I don't like it It's by Target And it sounds like you just like bought a girl at Target And that's what it sounds like It's It doesn't have any of her personality in it Like her whole album

Has like so much of her fun personality Like I love the song rich i love the song sugar and she's like i say shit i'm cool yeah like and that is none of it yeah no you're right it's it's totally sterilized so i don't want that to be the mary morris we get got it um okay fun fun tunes you're listening to now that you want to share oh god um not to put you on you know i'm putting you on the spot no it, it's fine. I mean, right now, I saw Hello Dolly on Friday, so I'm just listening to Put on Your Sunday Clothes.

Put on Your Sunday Clothes. A lot. I might just pull the trigger and just buy myself just like a single ticket for the orchestra. It's really good. And it's not like $800 anymore.

Right, which is nice. And I would pay top dollar to see Bernie. And you know what? I was more interested in her than Bette Midler. Okay. I've yet to see Bernadette on stage on broadway so i need to go this was my seventh time really yeah okay what have you seen yeah list the other ones i've seen her in two things

i saw them six times i saw little night music when i first moved to new york i still had my student id from five years before that didn't have an expiration date. So I saw her in Little Night Music with Elaine Stritch. Wow. Two times. Very stressful performance because Elaine just drug that out. Dang. It was apparently the unions loved her because it was over three hours. And so they got. Yeah, they got

extra money. Yeah. And I saw Follies four times. Wow. Which is still like that's my like number one, like the best performance like production I've ever seen. Never seen F day i mean actually today not to this day today i actually somehow stumbled upon a like a filmed version of the sunny in the park now into the woods that she was in oh i rented that beatrice from the fucking library yeah i own it i own it on amazon her stay with me is unbelievable yeah it's unbelievable her whole performance and then you you listen to meryl or you watch meryl and you're like yeah it's not to that level i've still never

seen that i refuse i like it i mean i think there's a lot to like about the movie it's just not seeing it on stage and none of these will ever be right yeah of course not you know i mean like even like even like the movie musicals now that are just straight up for them like there's no musical version of the greatest showman but you know the musical will be better yeah oh yeah because they'll have like more than four songs right well yeah i mean that yes and also like my thing with the greatest showman is the first two songs are like all sung by kids and um like the thing is with kids on stage it's like you can watch it because it's like sort of interesting like but in a movie it's like i don't want to watch these kids yeah i don't know these kids grading yeah but you could tell

like the whole time it was like oh at some point they're gonna put this on broadway and that's almost why this exists right yeah right it's like a pilot for broadway exactly it did feel like that it really did it really did does frozen do we think frozen's gonna be better on of course it is frozen michael hartney saw it he said it was a gag although i'm hearing mixed things i'm not a big frozen fan neither am i i watched it i got to let it go i was like okay that's basically all you need and i didn't see olaf so i have never had that experience you never had the olaf experience no i feel good about it yeah absolutely what have i missed what have you missed a cute song the ending is nice i like that song the ending between the sisters you know when this when one sister saves the other you should see it it's good bowen doesn't he it's not not good

he thinks that tangled is better than frozen absolutely tangled don't culturistas hear my call oh my god please so asked and answered tweet at us excuse me tweet at us. Excuse me. Tweet at us. Tell us, at Las Culturistas, if you are a tangled ho like me out there, tweet at me. Or a frozen slut. Like me, Matt Rogers. I'm a frozen slut.

And Tyler is, I guess, just like an empowered Brave fan. Wow. Gorgeous. That's bad. Different hair colors all around. Especially blonde and blonde but redhead um uh that's that's that's kind of perfect but we all still have to remember that wreck-it-ralph is one of the best movies of all time it's not a musical so i can't give it my full attention yeah that's that's the difference i need it to be a musical i've said this before like i can't i i don't know wreck-it-ralph to me like i get and i don't know Wreck-It Ralph to me I don't know

my criticism stands I think they didn't show enough worlds but see the thing about Wreck-It Ralph is that's just how I feel the way that they like circum navigated this whole thing of like how are we going to represent all these video game worlds like faithfully

because there's such rabid fan bases around each of them like you can't put up like you can't like peek into a mario world and be like whoa cool that was satisfying right like people are gonna find an issue with it so they like they made their own and they played with they they just like mesh them together in a very cool way anyway um i thought like it was it was pretty cool and then i feel like they established like three or four characters in three different three or four different worlds. And then they kind of stuck to those. And I just wanted to see more.

Yeah. Like it was pretty cool what they did. Like like Jane Lynch's character in that sort of like Halo world. Sure. I thought that was awesome. Call of Duty. Call of Duty. Yeah.

I don't I'm not a gamer. I'm really not. But that was cool. And then I felt like we didn't move on from that. I think that's the biggest barrier for me for Wreck-It Ralph is I don't care about games. Even like old timey games that I grew up with. I just like, I don't care about this. I'm feeling very isolated.

Yes. Speaking of, um, we're going to ask you what we asked every guest, which is what was the culture that influenced you at a young age? It was the culture that made you say, Hmm, culture. It might be for me. I'm going to decide to move in a cultural direction with my life. This is pop culture that influences me, Tyler Coates. I think about this question a lot because I'm a big fan of this podcast.

Oh, that's kind of what I was going to say. I also think about it. I have a really, like, it's the thing I can't fucking stop talking about. If you look at me on Twitter, it's cats. Cats? Yes, it's cats. Cats? Yes, it's cats. Okay, we're going to talk about this. Let's stick a pin in that because cats is an entry point into something else.

Okay. So like cats, I was like, fuck yes. Everything about this is crazy nuts. I love it. God. Because I just love musicals and I just love watching people, adults, do insane things for the delight of other adults because that show was for grown-ups yes of course famously but i was thinking about like i was like obsessed with that stuff um as a kid and like would go to see anything and so like an actual form of memory about the culture and how

i take it in and think about it and put it back out into the world. When I was in fifth grade, so I have a brother who's six years younger than me. And my godparents have a daughter who's his same age. And so they bought tickets to see Beauty and the Beast on ice. Wow. For my brother, not for me. Whoa. And so my brother David and their daughter Carrie were going to go together because they're kindergartners

and that's the age group that you should be to go see Beauty and the Beast on ice okay i mean i mean yeah debatably yeah well yes exactly and so i was crushed i was furious and then my brother got sick that morning and so they were like tyler would you like to go and i was like hell yes let's do it let's go to richmond and experience this great cultural cosmopolitan center. Yeah. Yeah. Let's go to the calcium.

So we went and I was like, I love everything about, I love being the beast. It's the best and all the songs and you see people skating too. You see a bell, you see a man in a beast costume you see adults in teacup costumes in fucking i don't know candelabras and a wardrobe dancing doing all that and i was like this is amazing i can't believe this is so great i've never seen an on ice and i was just like this is the best thing i've ever seen buying a program using my money that was given to me to go buy some merch. Oh, God. The next day, I go to school with my Beauty and the Beast program. And I'm like, hey, guys. Look what I did last night.

And I show in like this kid. How old are you? Fifth grade. So like, what, 11? Yeah. This is when it begins. This is when it began. And this kid, Dennis, was like, let me see that.

I was like, oh, yeah, yeah. OK. But be careful with with it and he grabbed it and he was like hey everybody tyler went to see beauty and the beast on ice like a dumb gay baby a dumb gay and everyone like laughed i was like like shut i was like what yeah it was a new world just happened yeah you've been gay and i like grabbed it back and i just remember thinking like I will not let this stop me from appreciating what I appreciate. Yeah, no. This just means I'll do it on my own. Yes. And no one else is invited.

And what I didn't know then was that I will spend the next 12 years of my life doing that until I go to college and meet people who I can be friends with based on mutual interests as opposed to neighbors okay oh my god so when did cats enter the fray cats was around the same year i remember i feel like we were watching like a like an after-school special type of movie about like i don't know a girl got into crack or something and so she couldn't she couldn't sing in her talent show but the song she was going to sing was Memory. Yeah. And so I remember hearing that song and being like, what is this? The most beautiful song I've ever heard. It's a beautiful song. It's pretty gorgeous.

Over and over again. And like, I had a friend, Jeanette, who probably hit puberty in fourth grade. So like, she was predestined to just be awkward and like, Elsa loved musicals and like, only have gay friends. That girl, that girl, that girl. She and I like latched onto each other real early

and we're like, the two of us are together forever. Yes. Still friends? She's an Australian now. She also got out of Montrose. Good for her. She's already far away. It's possible.

And so I went home and I was like, I love this song from Cats. What is it? My mom was like, oh, I saw Cats once. We saw it. It's like people in cat costumes and like, it's like,

let's buy, let's buy it. How do we see it? How do I get it? So we went, we were at the mall in Fredericksburg, the other big city.

And I was like, let's go to Music Land. I saved up my allowance. I'm buying the two tapes. My mother wanted me to get the highlights. And I was like, hell no, I'm getting the full tapes. My mother wanted me to get the highlights. And I was like, hell no, I'm getting the full thing. I don't care if it costs $16.

I'm going to listen to all of it. And then we got into our van and immediately plugged it in. And like the first song is like batshit insane. They're fucking crazy. Yeah. And I was like, I don't know what this is, but I am all in. And, you know, it takes like two hours to get to the one song that i heard but by that time i was like this is all i want and it's based on poetry by t.s elliott like

adults he wrote this and then other adults were like this is good content wow let's make a musical about it with other adults for the enjoyment of adults. Yeah. Wow. And then my mother surprised me with tickets to the national tour in Richmond and we sat in the orchestra. I remember when the lights went down and like we're on the aisle. So like the cats come out. Yeah. And like they turn on their eyes and scare the shit out of me.

And they were just roaming around and they go up on stage and then I could only stare at their crotches. Yeah. It's all like because it's, you know, the majesty of watching performance, like big performance. It's no Disney on Ice. It's like for real. It's for real.

It's dancing. With their whole body. With their whole body and the bodies that I could not stop staring at. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's enough. That's the thing about. The girls and the boys. I was very confused.

No, that's the thing about, especially at that age, it's like when you you go to see a Broadway show you are looking at every crevice of their body you're like okay like at being a now being a performer and like sometimes like performing for people that are a little bit younger it's like you get off and then you're like oh wow me at that age was like really probably looking at the performers like butts the whole time oh yeah they're good butts too they're good butts but i mean you think former butts performer but cat butts i think those are both kind of okay we have our most cultured guest on the show who gave us not one but two like perfect encapsulations of um i think the platonic ideal of the answer to our question wow because i think because i think the whole disney on ice story like yeah that was wonderful full joseph campbell arc i don't know um hero's journey of like oh my god like what a beautiful like like the queer narrative of

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But it was, yeah, it wasn't less real for... Right, oh no no i still felt it do you think the skating heightened the emotion um maybe i mean yeah well i think i i've always had an affinity for like ridiculousness so that definitely was like the beauty and the beast was like the entry point and then i was like oh here's another layer that's truly dumb I think I had a recognition where I was like this is really dumb but it's so good it's so great

because you got to like you got to sort of evaluate it at every level of like wow this is amazing this is also really dumb I love this oh I'm being shamed for it I'm going to put up some defenses against what other people think about why i love for this and like i think this is why i hated the live action one oh you

really hated it yes okay i watched all of it i did not turn it off because i was like i'm gonna see this through it gets worse as it goes oh it's a travesty. It gets worse as it goes. It's truly horrific. It's not. But what made me so mad about it is like, A, it's not live action. Let's stop lying to ourselves. There you go. It's just CGI. It's still animated. 80% CGI. With one person who can't sing or has no screen presence.

Oh, that's. That's spelled. Oh, yeah. So you also don't think she has any screen presence? Not in that. Yeah. No. Fair, fair, fair, fair.

But like what I wanted, what I wanted was Disney on Ice. I wanted to see- Stupid. I wanted to see Kevin Kline in a candle costume. Yeah. I want to see Emma Thompson, her face poking out of a giant teacup. I wanted those teacups to be too big and human-sized. Do you think we'll get-

It's a matter of scale too for you i wanted i wanted to see those you want a theater working for it yes you want a theater because the other thing i loved as a kid was the 85 alice in wonderland tv miniseries with carol channing is in it oh which is like weird i've not seen that have you ever seen the clip of her seeing jam tomorrow jam yesterday oh you like go go on youtube pack a lunch and listen to that because it's insane uh it's just like this it's a bunch of like vaudevillians like from the like 40s 50s who then were like like ringo is in it sammy davis jr is in as a caterpillar like it's and they're in like full body costumes and that's what yeah like that like you see the

seams you see the zippers like that yeah that's my aesthetic right there like a high school play on film right yeah do you think we'll get that for lion king you think beyonce will get on all fours i mean i would love that i'm a friend around i don't think that'll happen i don't think so either um can i just read to everyone um uh a plot summary of cats yeah that's what you were digging up i was wondering what you were doing over there yeah i've been asked to tell the plot of cats okay so i would love to know i don't know what the story is because i because there is a story much to what most people think am i making this up i've seen the film there's no film. There's no film.

Like the great performances. Yes, yes, yes. I've seen that and couldn't tell. I mean, this was like, you know, over a decade ago. Could not tell you a single thing. Even after watching it. I don't think people go for the story. Okay, so how about this? I'll read this plot summary

written by a friend of the show, Branson Reese. Oh, I think I know. Yeah. Have you seen this? this oh so this is gonna be tongue in cheek well no no no no no i mean i read that and i was like i think we should have tyler tell us the story and then see how correctly it lines up okay i mean i will be very serious about go please be serious we want to know the story of cats so once a year in l London, all the cats gather for the Jellicle Ball. Yes, I know about this. And there's like, you see like, there's like a couple of like cat burglars, Mongo, Jerry, and Rumpel Teaser. You have like a crazy like auntie, like Jenny Indy Dots,

who's like takes kittens under her wing. And like all these, Rum Tum Tug tugger who's like horny and and weird about i played him in a sketch yes of course and then you have grizzabella who was like old bitch old bitch but like on her last life and but she is the glamour cat and everyone hates her because she used to think her shit didn't sink but then she got old and everyone's like yeah bitch dang he's the same litter box as the rest of us oh my god that's so they're all vying to be the cat that goes to

the heavyside lair which is cat heaven you get there in attire and uh you get reborn and you get picked by old Deuteronomy who's the oldest

cat and he's like the father figure and only one of them can go only one of them can go yes what but the whole

the whole thing is that they all like are sort of performing. It's sort of a reality competition when you think about it because they're all performing to be chosen to be the all-star cast. Yes. I also recently realized it's a lot like a chorus line except for getting into the show,

they're just trying to get into heaven. Oh, sure, sure, sure. They're going, so what happens? Totally. And then, oh, there's also the bad guy in the cavity who's like responsible for, he like kidnapped somebody. And then Mr. Mistoffelees is a magic cat.

He comes and saves the day. And then Grizabella comes out and she sings memory. And everyone is like, oh wow, you're actually sad. You have feelings. You have an inner life. Yeah.

You deserve to go. And so she goes to the Heaviside Lair and everyone's like, that's amazing. And that's the, and that amazing and that's how it ends that's how it ends so the moral of the story is respect your elders know your history

or know your history your feline history everyone has inner pain I love it I don't know I'll read the brands because it's very very tongue-in-cheek and very reductive. How did I know?

And I want the counterweight to this to be Tyler's wonderfully textured synopsis. Okay, let's hear how it measures up. Here's the plot of Cats as best as I, Branson, can explain it. I'm just going to quote him. So you got a bunch of cats running around up there. Seems simple enough, right? We're in, we're out. Think again, pal.

Because this isn't just another night in the alley. An enormous cat has chosen tonight to vaguely announce that he can send a cat to heaven. He never really goes into detail, but the rule seems to be one cat gets to go to heaven, regardless of whether or not they're sick. And nobody starts crying. They just take the shit in stride. That's shit in stride. So then instead of pleading their case for why they deserve to go to heaven when they die which is tonight even if they're healthy

they spend an hour introducing themselves to the audience um uh and i have questions already okay great that's act one um why do we believe the big cat when he says he can do this because he's old deuteronomy he's old question it it's also tradition it's tradition it's just cat tradition okay so they come to the jacob ball because they know this event is happening this sort of like reaping yeah yeah yeah it's world building right okay now like now i'm on board okay great act two you're like strap in this will probably be all about heaven and years later you'll remember thinking that and it will break your dang heart because nope, three to four more cats just introduced themselves.

And then this heaven cat who, by the way, has done zero magic and has proven nothing shows back. Thank you. Thank you. And you're watching and you're like, here we go. Better late than never. But he sort of just moseys around.

And then all of a sudden his skin falls off and the devil jumps out. And so now you're watching and he throws a firework at somebody and you're like, it was all worth it. Here we go. Here we motherfucking go. But then two cats dance aggressively near him. And so he apologizes and politely leaves.

So then two more cats introduced themselves. And then some old woman we've never met. Okay. She is introduced several times. So then that's not true. So we can refute that shows up and sings the only song from cats that, you know, and then she goes to heaven.

This could have been just the first two tweets. Okay. There's something about... Who wrote the book for Cats? Oh, there's no... Well, so T.S. Eliot wrote a collection of poems. He was actually nominated posthumously for a Tony for writing the book. Oh, no, that's a little...

That's a little bullshit. That's some bullshit. It's mostly just Andrew Lloyd Webber's handiwork sure yeah and probably cocaine i assume so cocaine so that's the challenge here is that this the the musical was limited in its storytelling ability efficiency what have you by the source material sure yeah okay so then i'm not i don't totally buy branson's synopsis of that i don't totally buy branson okay um hey listen branson i don't totally buy it matt doesn't buy it i don't know so i because wow this is really like again a counterweight to my my lifelong perception of

cats which has been like oh crazy stupid crazy crazy not even stupid just like crazy crazy it is stupid it's truly dumb where does the word jellicle come from yeah what is that's just a term that tslian made up because they all have three different names they have their human name that's like if you have a cat you call it like roy right but then yeah but there is a buster oh really buster for jones excuse me he's like a fancy like they did much. He's like a tuxedo cat. You know? Wow. So he's fancy. He's like cat about town. And then, so they all have

their like names that like their human calls them, but then they have their like cat fellow names. Grizabella. Yeah. Grizabella, Rumpelteaser, Bumbellurina, Rumtum Tugger. Rumtum Tugger. Yes. Macavity. is he actually the horny one rum tum tugger is actually horny yeah because he like picks women out of the audience to like

basically like get he's like the he's the sex appeal of the show i see the externalized like you are supposed to be turned on by him oh okay, okay. But he's also just like fussy. Okay. A fussy, a fussy, fussy, hot, horny little cat. That's what I don't know. He's the guy, he's the cat that you want to fuck. But he won't give it to you. I get it.

I get it. That part I get. It's just like real life. Just like real life. What about other Andrew LeBron? Are you a fan of his? Yeah. Of?

Yeah. The day after the election, 2016. That one. We remember um obviously we were so depressed uh i went to work and i was like i've got to do something about this and so i spent probably 180 dollars on tickets to see phantom he's like that is gonna be for that night or what yeah for that night and i told my boyfriend john i was like he like, York's at home, from home in Park Slope. And I was like, meet me in Times Square.

We're going to go to dinner and we're going to deal with this in our way. That's beautiful. And we went to see Phantom and it was fantastic. I've seen Phantom. I do love Phantom. I've seen,

that's the second time I saw it. The first time I saw it, I had very high expectations that were not met. You can go in with high expectations because you will you will be bored after 30 years yeah i but i appreciate the phantom as a whole holistic musical piece i appreciate more than most of andrew laidweber's other work jesus christ

super star is great i've never seen i've never said it's got some real jams the television uh performance of it will be the first time i see it it's good it's like I mean that movie is actually one of the better I think film adaptations yeah because it's just like it's a rock opera

it's just all singing it's all fun everyone's sexy in it do you know what we saw which was like not good Sunset Boulevard no I saw it last year

I loved it you loved it it was the second time I saw it you saw it in the 90s okay great I saw it as a kid with Petula Clark

Petula Clark. Petula! That's fancy. And then I forgot it was on Miss Glenn. Yeah, we saw Glenn. We went for my birthday. Oh my God, actually, that was a year ago. That's so funny. Because my boyfriend is a Pisces like you.

Oh, yeah, yeah. We were just talking about that. Wow, Pisces boyfriend seeing sunset. Pisces, baby. So the story that we like to tell was we were in the fucking nosebleeds. Yeah. Like third mezzanine or whatever. more away um and uh literally the last row it was bad and we were really far away but they were so cheap they were 30 right and so you're familiar they're like the stage was

tiered yeah yeah it was deconstructed it was deconstructed very much so um but glenn's entrance is from the is from the top tier so first entrance, we just hear this like roar of applause. And all we see are Glenn Close's feet. And everyone just losing their shit. And we're in the back like, that's her feet. That's so sad. And she was wild for that entire show. I mean, she's nuts.

I mean, she's crazy. She was acting with every part of her body the whole time. I appreciate Glenn Close because she has, she's amazing. She has a lot to prove because she's always like second fiddle to Meryl. So like, she's like, fuck it.

At this point, she's like, fuck it. I'm going to give you Glenn Close. Give you what I have. And if you don't like it, deal with it. Go find Meryl Streep.

Wow. I mean, I would kill to see some sort of dramatization of that. Of just Glenn and Meryl crossing paths every now and then. I mean, they made like two movies together. Well, totally. But like, there's some like feud slash wicked situation there where it's like, I want someone to dramatize that.

I actually think the existence... In 50 years, that'll be a musical. It will. It will. The existence of Meryl has forced all of her contemporaries to do more interesting things. More interesting things than I would say that she does. Yes, absolutely. I think she phones it in a lot.

There you go. She certainly has a mode where she is really acting and giving you top tier talent for all time. And then a mode where she is doing Meryl Streep, which is always fun. It's great, but very easy for her. Yeah. I think that what the thing that I've noticed with her is that she never

works with like really great directors. Wow. Stretch her. I think that she's found the people that she likes. I mean, that is really interesting. Like for example, August of Sage County.

A great source material. A three hour step and wolf masterpiece family drama. Directed by some nobody that collects all these people and she can just hammer

her way through it and get an Oscar nomination. It's a Tracyacy let's play every other tracy let's play that's been made into a movie was directed by william friedkin who is like a psychopath he did the exorcist he like basically broke ellen berson's back but like he did bug which is fucked up he did killer joe which is fucked up right he should have done august it would like she would have never worked with him. No, yeah. This is why Tyler's here. I live for this shit. And I like her.

I mean, Sophie's Choice, I think, is like one of the all-time best on-screen performances ever, ever captured. She learned how to speak three languages with a Polish accent. Her at her best. You can't deny her at her best. And what I'm saying is,

I think it's great that she eats up as much as she does because i do think it forces specifically sigourney weaver and glenn close to have interesting careers and therefore be trailblazers for other people for example glenn close's first huge film was fatal attraction right and that was what made her a household name and that kind of i think literally created a subgenre because before that she was playing very similar roles exactly like had been on broadway one of tony i think had been nominated for an oscar before fatal attraction but like that's the one that like right really broke her the became her movie star yeah and sigourney weaver was always weird like they were

at yale together they were like yeah she was always not getting the parts like she was always playing like this the weird sister or even the mom right to like meryl's ingenue which if you think about it is kind of weird but you know sigourney doing alien yeah creates the female driven action which action hero yeah sci-fi action hero it is even more specific yeah which is so funny and then because she gets notoriety she's able to do cool stuff like working girl right you know what i mean and and you know the ice storm later like later on her career because she's well known gorillas in the mist

gorillas in the mist honey don't ever it's really culture number night number 80 don't tell me sigourney can't serve you biopic i was was going to say, and number 20 right after that is, okay, well, first of all, let's repeat that. Don't tell me Sigourney can't serve you biopic. And rule number 20 right after that is, don't sleep on Gorillas in the Mist. I slept on it. I've never seen that.

You've never seen Gorillas in the Mist? No. I forget it. You've got to see Gorillas in the Mist. So I watched Gorillas in the Mist in AP Environmental Science. Okay, that's why I didn't see it. Because I skipped that one. Okay, no, it's good.

Skip that class. It's good, and I'm not ruining it because this really happened to Diane Fossey. But at the end of the movie, I didn't know what happened to Diane Fossey. It's very tragic. Wait, it's not Jane Goodall? No, no, no.

Jane Goodall lives to this day. Wow. In Gorillas in the Mist, spoiler alert. She dies, right? She gets murdered by poachers who stab her to death while she's sleeping yeah maybe a gorilla did it yeah but no that would have been a real good twist no no no it wasn't the gorillas it was the poachers i have a good friend who is a coco truther as a what coco truther she thinks that coco killed her uh oh cat all ball wow oh my god a coco truther so she's been like on that for many decades wow i'm a coco truther now in that i think the animated

film is actually live action wow i'm a coco truther oh wow that's amazing i'm a coco truther in that i think it took place um Tulum, which is not a real Mexican location because it's been so industrialized by tourism. I'm a cocoa truther in that I think that hot chocolate tastes like vanilla. That's beautiful. I think it is beautiful.

That's beautiful. Wait, just to get back on this, these advanced, these advanced actresses, we'll call them. Advanced. You can say older. Executive level actresses.

Executive level actresses. Because like advanced style is like, is what you would call like. An old person. An old person. Who wears a hat. That's nice. Advanced actresses title of app.

Advanced actresses. Because we have an authority. Sure. 100%. Okay. I'm very down for it. I feel like, person who wears a hat that's nice advanced actresses title of app advanced because we have an authority yeah okay i'm very down for it um i feel like oh this is this such a throwaway thing but iron lady oscar garbage garbage oscar yeah that's terrible i should have won for maybe any of the other five she's been most recently adaptation adaptation even if you had given it to a frog in sausage county doubt devil probably first and foremost actually yes um what else i mean into the woods i'd rather give her that than fucking iron lady i think that's literally garbage julian julia you know what

i mean like so many other better performances even this year julian julia she can just be julia yeah it should just be julia she was in julia too the movie julia with jane finder oh wow i think it was her first uh first movie wow that manhattan was her first movie i i don't julia it may have been yeah i trust you i just she's like one scene right in julia and julia yeah and then in manhattan she like gets accosted by woody allen oh my god oh like many others like many others oh she likes shelly duvall too but she was in annie hall shelly was in annie hall yeah yeah very briefly she like she like goes on a date with yeah one of his she's one of his axes yeah interesting um so wait speaking so much about maryland the oscars we

should probably discuss last evening well now several evenings ago for if you're listening to it on the day of release but what did we think of the oscars folks uh i mean i thought they're very boring very boring very pretty i mean we with the exception of shape of water i think everyone knew what was gonna win stuff but wasn't there like oh you didn't think shape of water was gonna win i i thought it was gonna be well i this was the first year that i thought like the best picture was kind of a toss-up yeah like i didn't know i didn't think that i was gonna win although it should have i thought i thought the front runner was gonna be three billboards and then i thought maybe dunkirk would be like a weird dark horse yeah yeah like something dunkirk would have like cut through with the votes being split between

all these other things. And then there was a moment last night when Dunkirk won best editing where like that's a precursor. It won several awards earlier in the evening. That are precursors. If you really think about it, like it was never going to lose those awards. But, you know, that made it seem like, oh, are we headed for this? But I never thought that was going to happen.

I also think that it's very tough for a movie sometimes to steamroll the precursors as best picture and still win best picture. Like, I never thought Three Billboards was going to be the film of the year. I kind of get Shape of Water. also if you think about it in the grand scheme um george severus had a tweet which i really liked which was he quote tweeted someone that said overall it was a really safe best picture choice and he was like oh yeah i hate when female-led horror sci-fi um like thrillers with a uh like unlikely romance directed by a mexican immigrant hate best picture win best picture oh it's so safe like it's really kind of cool and especially for a guillermo del toro film to win best picture they're so specific right he's such a like an auteur like it's so kind of actually not safe that he won this would ordinarily never really happen i just think because we've been talking

about it so much and we all wanted a super alternative choice right yeah which is i think like actually something with the world right now it's like we're all ready to move way past right what everything like sure i mean the oscars bring out the worst in people yeah every year truly everyone the next day is an asshole yeah and in the months yeah yeah and like because i think i don't know, like, last year was the first year in, like, maybe since, like, 99 where I felt, like, just a glut of just amazing movies that, like, spoke to the time even though they, with the exception of the Post, were not, like, engineered to. Are you talking about this year?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Like, last year. Oh, sorry. Yeah. Where, like, and, like, there were three movies about uh there are three movies about poisonous mushrooms being like a narrative device like that's weird oh my god because it was the beguiled and phantom thread and then lady mcbeth poisonous mushrooms oh my god yeah so like that in itself is like really really fucking weird

and just like the way that i felt like class was shown in many different oh yeah uh films like some better than others and then get out i think like was just a phenomenon and like what it showed and like what depicted and like how well it was received right and i think it everyone's so emotional that everyone was especially emotional about the movies that came out yeah yeah like that's how i felt like i just like stopped being so objective about everything and just was like i love things more often yeah i like things more often because i was just like this appeal like i feel something about totally that's great yeah i think people can do themselves a favor and do everyone else a favor and just go back to trying

to enjoy movies again because i think this actually started last year when literally the narrative became la la land is trump right i was like la la land is not trump no and la la land doesn't exist to beat moonlight okay la la land was created lovingly and very well yeah by a lot of people who wanted to make this movie musical and if you have problems with the casting like go ahead and have that issue but this movie is not right donald trump well no we're yeah we're putting a lot of external narratives on stuff yes and like trying to create this like weird bifurcated world that doesn't exist like it just doesn't exist. Yeah.

I, yeah. Wow. I mean, your whole, um, assessment of like all these movies this year, um, speak like dealing with class in different ways,

some better than others, like totally just occurred to me now, which like feels very shallow of me, but like, yeah. Lady Bird, get out. Did you see the Florida project?

I love the Florida project. All of those. Yeah. That's good. All of those. Yeah. That's good. You know what? Yeah. Like, this was a year where you really could allow yourself to let any of these films speak to you.

Yeah. And, like, people did really graft on these things, like, especially The Three Billboards being like, this is, it's racist. It's racist. Whatever. I'm of the mind. Did you tweet this i feel like i might have read this from you like um yeah i think you tweeted this thing about like three billboards

feels very flannery o'connor oh yeah yeah i mean that's because i read a shit ton of flannery o'connor's as a college student um i feel like yeah three billboard i saw it as screening and i loved it like i think what it's prose it's it's just a huge acting movie like it's stacked it's a play it's great yeah it's a play that couldn't be performed on stage right because there's like bombs happening um there's deer yeah yeah and there's that deer um and three billboards are really hard to pull off on stage you'd have to pull so big too big yeah they'd have to see it off stage yeah do that thing where they point into the audience yeah that um so yeah i think that like once i thought about like after i was just like oh my

god like these performances were so amazing and like so effective then i was like oh there's some weird stuff with how it was written and like how it unfolded and like i think like they use race as a prop which was like its biggest problem right um and just like the sort of sloppy writing but like i think you can get away with in a play because you don't i don't know there's just like so much more sensory that you have to take in all at once totally yeah yeah um so when i saw it again the second time i was like well francis mcdormand's great sam rockwell's great like but it does feel like a bad Flannery O'Connor like sure as someone who tried to just rip off Flannery O'Connor in oh my god don't we all creative writing classes that's probably what I would have tried to do every writer every creative person has

a a pseudo southern gothic phase I'm just kidding um that was a big part of my influences yeah yeah yeah yeah southern goths yeah I was, yeah. Southern goths. Yeah. I was always writing about Southern goths. Yeah. You know, Tampa area girls named Beth who would really just... Who listened to Simple Plan. Yeah, yeah. Which is not even a goth. Goth girls.

They thought they were goth. They thought we were goth. Exactly. And it's about what you feel about yourself. Yeah. I don't want to deny anyone's truth here. No, exactly. Ruling culture number 91.

It's about how you feel about yourself tyler had this great moment um and i just want to congratulate you on this because this feels very aspirational to me you saw all the best picture nominees before they were announced yeah the first time and first time and yeah first time in a long time where you just had seen them all yeah and i i commend you and did you have a strong favorite? You thought Get Out should have won. Yeah, I think, I mean, I have my objective favorites, and I have my, I would say that my top five movies were Lady Bird, Get Out, Call Me By Your Name,

Shape of Water, which really surprised me. And then the ones that didn't get nominated were I, Tonya, which I saw twice and loved it. I loved it. Quiet Passion, which is a Cynthia Nixon movie about Emily Dickinson. Oh, I heard about that. Oh yeah, I heard about that. Real fun.

It's a real hoot. Um, it's, I watched it twice in a weekend because I was like having a weird weekend, but like it's a, it's a real long, it's, it's an interesting film. It's like, it's, it's like I've never seen a movie that like shows a creative struggle so intimately and like shows the interiority of a human being in like such a beautiful

way but it's also kind of boring I will cop to that you can't just like turn it on smoke a joint and be like yeah quiet passion is it like the hours if it was just Virginia Woolf and then a century before yes actually okay i love the hours i hate the well i did the hours to fuck that movie i

think you were there for that yes it did what a good one i was there for that because i i love the hours when it came out i was i think in i think a sophomore year. Okay. And I drove to Charlottesville from where I went to school in Harrisonburg, India to see it because it was in Harrisonburg. Wow. And I remember being like, this is really brilliant and poetic. Well, because I mean, at the time it was kind of one of the, like, it felt very sort of contemporary. It felt very new.

Yeah. And then I watched it again as an adult and I was like, this is like, it's a 14 minute credit sequence. Yeah. Where you're just watching these women just like run around and it's also weird because it's like the it takes place just before 9-11 oh new york yeah so like it's like the last pre-9-11 new york movie that came out the following wow how interesting so like that was weird various so like by that point

like even like in hindsight now like talking about the aids crisis in that way in like 2001 yeah was a little like weird to talk about it with that like weight and that like sort of melodrama to oh so watching it now you feel like it feels a little anachronistic yeah okay yeah that's actually a really good modern meryl performance too i think she's yeah she's great she didn't even get nominated for that no no julianne moore's great and obviously nicole julianne moore was great in that in that way that she was great at the time right like she kind of was given the same performance again and again and again right i i said that darkest hour gary oldman winning for that was his still alice because who the fuck yeah i refuse to see that movie i won't go no that was just engineered to get her an oscar and like it no one needs to see right right alec baldwin's i know i

always remember it as her daughter like alec baldwin's yeah i i feel like we need that and it's just been tried over and over again just Just an engineered movie for a career Oscar for fucking Annette. Yeah. They try every year. I don't think she's ever going to win. That's so sad. Yeah, it's sad. Kobe Bryant has an Oscar and Annette doesn't.

They'll give her an honorary, I think. Yeah. Like Gina Rowlands. At that point. I mean, I wonder if it feels like it counts for them. Totally. Probably not. I mean, I feel like they really do keep trying with her.

Right. They do. I think someday. I think we'll get it. I think she'll hack it. And then I think. You know who will take her place. You know who I think is probably never winning?

Amy Adams. Amy Adams. Yeah. I knew you were going to say her. Yeah. And then you did too. Oh my God. I think she'll pass away with like 15 nominations.

Yeah, I really do. I think she'll be getting, I don't know that. I think she'll be getting them into her seventies and won't win. Yeah. That's, that makes me sad.

Or Jessica Chastain. I mean, I would like, I think she'll win. Okay. Well, I mean, okay.

Oh, just a quick thing that I want to circle back on with Guillermo. Did not know this fun fact um uh for the past five years of best director wins four out of the five have been mexican yeah yeah which i think is really cool oh fantastic guillermo and then in your e2 twice and then the um gravity guy yeah yeah isn't that cool wow that's amazing yeah no the fifth is just four out of five and so but you need to one twice. Ritchie won twice. Oh, right. I always forget he was won twice.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. For Revenant and for Birdman. Yeah. Oh, my God. I did not see the Revenant. I was not going to. I saw half of it. I wasn't going that far.

You saw the Revenant. Right, right, right. He sleeps in a bear. It's like that's all you need. I will say this. Tom Hardy grumbles. Right. Get out winning best screenplay.

That might have been enough I guess I would have loved it if it won we all would have loved it we all would have loved it but it being having that many nominations on top of being such a phenomenon and the fact that it won best original screenplay it has that forever and I think that that

is just a really good example of the Academy Awards getting it right because that was in every sense of the word the best original screenplay yeah we have never seen it before like that's the meaningful award i think i think so it's an award that rewards intelligence yes yeah yeah i mean from every standpoint it's just like that should go down in history and i also think that's it's i don't know maybe it's because that's what i went to college for but like i have such a respect for someone that can put something so amazing into that art form like and it really

is so hard to do and then there's so many moving pieces and also the fact that he directs it produces it and writes it and was still so clearly able to see his vision through like sometimes you can drive yourself crazy on a project like that artistically and the fact that he was so focused and so disciplined um in every respect that that script worked as well as it did like it's just amazing because guess what like greta gerwig um i thought that was an amazing script and that would have been my second choice but she will write more movies like that and perhaps perhaps her work is her greatest work is still ahead of her in fact i bet it is i think that jordan peele like not to say that we won't see more amazing work for him but i do

believe that get out will be a strong part of his legacy of course yeah and i think that it's right that he won an oscar for it because my thing with oscars and i always say this is could it have been done by anyone else as well right and i don't know that get out is accomplished as well by anyone else at any other point in their career than jordan peele right now for this moment right gorgeous um i will say that um because i'm sure because i'm sure the screen plays out there somewhere i just i have to read no no you can read it oh you know who posted it nathaniel i know if you go on the film experience nathaniel rogers for the film experience.net we'll give him another

plug here and by the way the film bitch awards are underway we'll give him another plug here. And by the way, the Film Bitch Awards are underway. They're underway, honey. But he sometimes does like anatomy of a scene. Right. Like something like that. And he breaks down a scene. He specifically talked about the scene in Get Out, which is them getting pulled over. Right.

And her conversation with the police officer. About how she wants to avoid being, you know, tracked. And how it works, has to work several different ways. Yeah order to work as as a scene because on rewatch value you have to on you understand that she's panicking because there's a cop this is all gonna happen and also it's a performance and it's a performance on top of a performance etc but he links to the full script oh great i can read it well because you know why i have to the Fruit Loops scene the way it's written. Yeah. Yeah. That's another thing. I think that's one of the most

iconic. I mean, I'm using that term like it's pronounced iconic. I'm using that term really nilly. But yeah, just what an amazing scene. Yeah. I wonder if Greta Gerwig, I don't think she feels super sad. No, I mean, she I mean, did you see the clip of her like being like, I love him, Guillermo del Toro?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. She seems like, I think she's excited to be a part of that conversation at all. Yeah. I mean, that was also cool when Emma Stone was like, these four men and Greta Gerwig did such an amazing, and then everyone was applauding. I mean, I think that it was a night celebrating Greta Gerwig in many ways.

Yeah. I mean, it's huge. It's historic. Fifth woman. Yeah. Yeah. So big, big deal. And there will be more.

In the Sacramento Cinematic Universe. Yeah. I see you, baby. Yeah. I can't wait. Yeah. Okay. So I wanted to bring up the other big item of the day oh yeah which was

rupaul was asked if he would allow a um transitioning person like a male to female individual who was in the process of transitioning to compete on the show as a contestant of RuPaul's drag race. And he kind of said no, because you know, then it's not actually drag. It's no longer subversive. And so then he got a lot of flack about that. And so he doubled down on a tweet that said,

you know, you can use performance enhancing drugs and still be an athlete, you just can't compete in the Olympics. The show inherently is one that evolves a lot. And RuPaul himself has a lot of inconsistencies about what the show means. The joke about it's not RuPaul's best friend. And no one goes home with a participation trophy, but literally everyone does. Everyone does. Everyone does.Paul's best friend. It's just like, it's like you don't, and no one goes home with a participation trophy, but like literally everyone does. Everyone does.

Everyone does. So funny. And so stuff like that, like, you know, it shouldn't matter. And like, I don't know.

It's so, it's interesting because it does bring, I don't know, like the, I think the, because I was like very late convert to drag race. I started watching last season. And you wrote a great piece.

Yeah. I wrote like, I wrote about how I watched all of it because I watched like one episode and I was like, this is actually great. Yeah. Um, and like appreciated it in a way that like,

because I was so turned off by drag and drag performance because it like made me uncomfortable. Yeah. From like when I was like coming out and was like weird about it right um but what i got out of it and i think what i get out of like queer eye is that it like makes you feel vulnerable and makes you feel okay being vulnerable right so i think that's the major like inconsistency there is that like he's being tested now himself by these like ideals of a changing generation which he's like like look like he came up in a time when like you had to be fucking hardened and like yeah you know a workhorse and

not just to like break through in the way that he did but he was also doing it when like people were dying yeah so like he's coming in from from this place i assume i can only project that he's like why are you not being like tougher about this like find your own way i've heard him say i've been on the front lines i've heard it very defensively say on maron he said that and he said it on his own podcast like a couple times when michelle which you can't really argue no look i don't i think that that and that's what i'm kind of what i'm saying is it's like, I just hope this leads to a productive conversation and not one that's like, you know what? Fuck RuPaul. Right.

I think there. Yes, I agree with you. There's there's so much room for compassion here. People are getting very inflamed. Brooklyn drag performer trans as well wrote this long post about how she was getting worried that her comments like her knee jerk reaction to the whole thing was like really just like angry and then she was like but wait a minute I just actually want to contextualize all of this because I love Rue I this is this is very disappointing and that's why I'm reacting this way and and she and she went into how when rue was coming up late 80s early 90s um the the sort of lifestyle was very hermetic you you just had to be you had to just basically sit alone indoors for the entire like just the entire day when when when daylight was out yeah just with like a fucking towel wrapped around your head and giant sunglasses and you just had to like basically hide from the world and the only time you felt seen or appreciated was when you would go out at night wear big hair looking like fabulous

yeah and so it just it what internalizes is this like this very precious yes valuation of what drag is yeah and for rue like right now seeing these things sort of be sort of opened up she probably sees this she sees it as like a pandora's box thing where it's like wait actually let me just like contain this back to what i know and contain this into like a mental model of what i know drag is and so that's why rue is responding this way and i I understand it, but it also makes me upset and it disappoints me. So everyone should read Charlene. That's just her Facebook name.

Read that, read this little post that she wrote. It's very, very, very balanced on all sides, I think. But yeah, I mean,

it's, it's, it's, it's disappointing. It's, it's a, it's a tough one. It's tough.

It's a tough one because also it's like you know at the heart of it is like rue i think wants to celebrate like like fun and frivolity like throwing off these chains and it's like but at the end of the day like so there are being thrown at other people yes totally questions of identity and then people i don't blame anyone that's gonna feel um hurt or disrespected or cast aside when that's happened their whole fucking life and that's that's that's as if to say like you couldn't intersect it fun frivolity with a trans performer or with a female cis female drag performer on the show like fucking peppermint like she specifically talks about peppermint in the guardian article and talks about like the breasts forming and that's when it gets weird

it's like she literally like talks about her physical body well that's where we're sort of like right doesn't understand what trans transitioning means because then it's becoming like a post-op thing yeah and like looking only at the surface level exactly not with the interiority that like i think he's missing exactly and understanding the humanity behind it are you watching the season i am yeah uh we're at that point now where it's like i don't because well that's so i appreciated in your last recap actually how much like the show what i don't like about all-stars three i loved all-stars two i thought it was like the strongest fucking thing like but like this is too it seems very obvious to me i mean last week obviously was like the strongest fucking thing like but like this is too it seems very obvious to me i mean last week obviously was like the curveball yeah which i think was dumb but whatever um which

is bendala yeah i'm just like get over it like just you i get if you're tired then you're tired but just like don't make it i don't know you've got two more weeks of this anyway also fucking don't morgan mcmichaels give me a break come on for sure threw a grenade back in the competition yeah um but like also it's just like i know who's like we i can tell who's gonna win because i can see like the talent on display yeah um who is that i think it's shangela you think shangela's gonna win that's who i'm like i mean i was like okay are we just gonna watch shangela and ben like win every fucking week? Where's the drama in that?

But I don't want the manufactured drama of a reality show where they have to bicker and fight to play mind games to knock each other out. I would just rather see RuPaul say, you go, you stay. It's so mind game-y and I don't care

for them strategizing it didn't feel that way with all-stars 2 no because i mean it felt merit-based it felt merit-based i think maybe because there are more factions there was like one specific faction total stars 2 that carried over from that season right right right um but i ultimately thought like you could see like people were succeeding because they were great. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Totally. Totally. Totally. It was like clear redemption arcs, clear victory arcs, consistency, whatever. I liked the first half of the season because it did feel merit based. Yeah. Morgan leaving first, I thought was definitely right. Then Thorgy.

Yeah. Sorry. You didn't. Then it was fine. then milk definitely like it was your time i will say why i just before i just want to say about milk i want the unearned confidence of that don't we all to not only just think that i'm the shit but also blame others for when i'm an asshole yeah i want to be able to tell someone who's like, how dare you not let me know I was being an asshole. That's the issue.

That's just when she said, I, that is fuck. I feel like I've gotten the shaft here. Yeah. I'm not being told I'm an asshole. When she said, I feel like Alexis Michelle,

when ever, will they let her walk out in that outfit? It's like, wow, this is the kind of person who watched that episode and saw Alexis Michelle in that episode and was like, I identify with her. I'm on her side like no yeah yeah yeah or saw that can you imagine watching that and being like alexis is right they should have told her to wear a better outfit on

the runway so she could have won the challenge right i don't think it's milk necessarily processing processing that that way i think milk saw that episode of Untucked and then was like, wow, Alexis is fucking crazy. I'm not like that. And then going on All-Stars 3 and being just like that. Exactly like that. Okay, yeah, that's probably even worse. But I think that confidence comes from being

so attractive as a man. Yeah. Oh, I sat next to milk at Katz. Just to bring it back. That's too much. That's too much. That is too much. Wow. Gorgeous. I mean, it's full circle.

It goes back to Cats. Milk would be a great... He'd be a great Rum Tum Tugger. There you go. Although he can't necessarily move sexy. He can model and be goofy. I thought Milk was actually really good in the... Milk was great in season six. Oh, in the Kitty Girls Challenge? In the Kitty Girls Challenge. I thought Milk was actually really good in the

Kitty Girls Challenge. I mean, yeah, but still. I mean, that's a low bar for me. It wasn't enough for you. It wasn't enough for you. I mean, I get it. I'm just like over the tics that he does. I'm just like, I don't care. The crying was so funny.

So funny. But Milk is like, just is, I was saying like, is always like 70% there with what I think he's trying to achieve. And you, and never, never follows through all the way because you're like, wait,

am I enjoying this? Because he's nice to look at. I don't know. That seems very shallow. But that's also one of the reasons why it is enjoyable. You know what I mean? Like they know what they're doing. Right.

Like that's why when it comes down to like, you know, milk and someone else that's like less appealing, like even as a personality, they could come out there and give a better drag performance. But if they're a less appealing reality show contestant on a reality show, that does matter. And that's,

I think like I actually had a tweet i was like wait you guys haven't watched drag race drag is for hot male models like because that's honestly how it feels sometimes okay like like when they cast the show it's like if pearl was uglier than he is as a boy he would not have been in the top three and that's that. And if you don't admit that, you are fucking crazy. Yeah. Milk. The problem I have with Milk is that he knows he's so pretty, but like tries to show off that he is like.

Quirky. Awkward. Like ugly side. It's a very Anna Kendrick thing. Yeah. And it's like, look at my gap teeth. Look at my big nose. And it's like, no.

I want like some of my favorite, like Katya is one of my, I think Katya is like one of the most stunning. She's fucking gorgeous. Beautiful people in the world. And like, as a boy, attractive, but like, not like Milk. Like, if Milk were to be Katya, like, that would be like insane. Yeah. It's funny how that doesn't transfer.

Let me just put trash on my face and I'm a model. I'm editorial. It's like, I don't care. Like just put trash on my face and i'm a model i'm editorial i was like i don't care like be something interesting i don't know like don't be interesting just be good at it and i don't need it it feels forced it feels like i don't know because even when milk came out in that glamour look like he wasn't a gorgeous woman no i mean like some like katya comes out and if Katya wanted to look like glamorous fish, she could. Absolutely. Like Katya's gorgeous. But like, I mean,

like Alyssa, I think Alyssa's great. Stunning. And like, the perfect fucking package because she's also crazy. Kuka Luke. And also,

I don't know if you've, you guys aren't Real Housewives. I love Real Housewives. I'm a new sort of, I'm a neophyte. When I started watching Dallas, I understood. Okay, Dallas I haven't watched.allas oh yeah it's that's the reference point it's rich dallas bitches yeah she says rich white women it is it's like it made me understand what alissa edwards yeah like like like literally like it's just like a row yeah it's like wow like all like new money but new

dallas money so like they're all carnies and yeah former cheerleaders who are like really married into it and like are desperate to keep right that's why i like real housewives during new money during all stars 2 when they did the pants challenge eliza edwards came out and she goes i'm giving you rich white woman like which is just so funny for her to say i'm giving you rich white woman like as if she's been dressing up like something else the whole time like this is a rich white woman it's subdued you invite this one to a party yeah daytime she's there to greet you and that's it daytime melissa that's what it was daytime melissa but she couldn't know she didn't, that's what it was. Daytime Alyssa. But she didn't know that's what that meant.

Alyssa Edwards for all time. Where's that reality show? I know. World of Wonder, right? Yeah, it's supposed to be like an online thing. Dang. No, I say put it on Logo. There's no programming there.

I say absolutely put it on Logo. Yeah. I say literally make Logo for drag what like Bravo is for the Real Housewives. Yeah, I would be everything on there like you want to put drag race on vh1 sure let that be its own thing but you know they are kind of trying to like housewives eyes oh yeah where they want it to be on all the time right yeah well it's that's the other thing that season it's the episodes are too long i love it when they're long i do too but like it's because I don't love the competition. It's like, this is a real struggle.

Oh, okay. So for season 10 though, you're going to be gagged because you've heard, have you heard about? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 90 minute episodes and then on top back on television. Yeah.

And here's the thing. And this is just me. Yeah. You are a curmudgeon. No, no, no, no, no. But Tyler can relate to this. And I'm sure you even can too on some level when I say this. You don't have my relations.

Stop. Okay. So that just means every time there's an any minute episode i'm like all right this is 50 more writing i have to do on this fucking account and if we're gonna write for season 10 about the whole two hours including untucked like that is gonna be a lot of fucking writing oh yeah i'm down with it like it doesn't bother me i will just give a peek behind the curtain right I'm down with it. It doesn't bother me. I will just give a peek behind the curtain right now.

For Drag Race, it doesn't bother me. I love writing about it. I love thinking about it. I love watching it. I would rather it be my job. Right. With Top Model,

I want to fucking kill myself. I want to bash my head into the wall. It's a terrible show. I hate this show. There's nothing worse than recapping a show that you hate.

Yeah. And usually that's why I don't like to recap because I usually hate what okay give us give us i did some why well this is unfair example i recapped looking the first season which i turned in like 2 000 words for every 30 yeah i get it because i was i had you had things to say i had things to say about representation yes interest sure sure sure which looking back i'm like i was probably a little too hard on that bullshit show i think about that all the time but i think it's important to do too much in those things but like i was just like this is but what i learned from looking

and i think i actually wrote a piece about this is like i don't need looking the way that i thought i needed it like maybe 10 years ago by the time i got a show that was about a boring white gay man who like isn't having the sex that he wants to be having i'm like oh i don't need this yeah because i found i've spent my entire life like identifying myself in other people totally yeah it's easier yeah did not need a mirror reflected on me because to just remind me that i'm boring that's part of that's all it was totally and this is something that i think people are rightfully bemoaning a little bit with this like i mean it's great it's amazing just just having that representation and that right being

more widespread but like part of part of the fun of like being a queer person is just grafting your own narrative on things that just wouldn't normally call for that or normally reference that things that explicitly in your life that's interesting and so wouldn't normally call for that or normally reference things that explicitly in your life. That's interesting. I don't know, but it's also great. Looking probably helped a lot of people. I learned what a bacchanal was because of looking. Did you learn what

peri-peri chicken was? Oh yeah, and peri-peri chicken too. I remember how that was insane. What? Excuse me? You wanted to make what chicken? I mean, look. Perry, Perry. Looking was...

Did you learn about eating ass from looking? Absolutely not. We both minored in that in college. Anytime I do, anytime I treat myself to a little fleet, a little enema, I do think about Jonathan Groff bending down and just letting the water slip down his

his colon that scene of him just staring at the empty I feel like that's like there were some educational moments in those in those scenes and so I appreciate looking for that but I also completely understand you having that

writing from that perspective at the time that it was airing right and you're sort of my age you're really good yeah well no i'm just saying like you're you looking back on it being like maybe i didn't need it right yeah i think also because i have regrets about that because i then was like at four parties where jonathan groff was around i was like oh fuck i

can never go that's how we feel about like that's fair. Yeah. Or, and now I'm feeling a little self-conscious about all the queer guys. Cause they're all, they're always on their stories now being like,

Hey guys, don't, don't be a hater. Et cetera. Et cetera. And I'm just like, Oh, are they talking?

Like, I feel like they're talking too much shit about people. And I try to be nice now because you never know. But here's literally a struggle I think about lately. Okay. Like the whole center of this podcast is talking about pop culture and we are who we are and that means that we are a little bit bitchy there you go hashtag a little bit bitchy um but also like you gotta be and also it's all for fun it comes from a light-hearted place and it

comes from a place of love if we talk about anything on this show it means we care enough to talk about it right and also of course we're going to talk about queer eye right and of course we're going to have reactions to it so it's not hating it's just talking about it and that in and of itself is a celebration of it however i do sort of feel sometimes like oh man like i really don't want to be like known as one of the gays that talks about other things like yeah like and when i was first kind of when i first moved to the city like what the first thing i did when i really got to nyu and i was trying to be study journalism is I worked at the NYU newspaper and I would write reviews and features about the things that I saw. And I was just fucking 19,

20 years old. I didn't know what I was doing, but I did know that I'd rather be on the other side of it. I was like, I'd rather create the work that people talk about. I don't want to be one of the people talking about it. Right. But now those lines are blurred because I do think it's very creative and I see what's so creative about, you know, being a part of someone who talks about culture. Like, I think that you're an artist. I think that like,

I think that what we do is like fun and I think it's creative, but it's an interesting place to be because when we did that, when we wrote that piece about Anthony, I kind of, I think I was like, kind of like depressed for four or five days afterwards. And I was kind of thinking like, why do I feel this way? Is it because I feel like kind of like depressed for four or five days afterwards. And I was kind of thinking like, why do I feel this way? Is it because I feel like,

um, you're not part of what's going on. Not, not that. It's just that I don't want to be a critical negative person. That's how I felt after culture. I was like, you know what?

I also felt a little bit after culture afterwards. I like in the cab ride home i was just like was i too mean about some people like because i i think because i'm not a performer like i went through my very brief performance phase was like i don't want to do this i don't like practicing i want to show up be amazing leave and just have everyone salute me as i go out the door gag the kids which weirdly never happened so not at the pit um not at the pet so i was like really excited to do it and then then there was a lot of pressure to like because i was third i had to match joel and then show yeah yeah yeah and then also like we didn't think about that i'm so sorry

oh no no no this is all on me and like then just like the structure of the show like we're running longs is like i gotta give you quick i gotta be like and i was just like i structure of the show, like we're running long. So it's like, I got to give you quick. I got to be like, and I was just like, I got to hit a joke at every single time. And I was like, I'm being an asshole. No, that was a learning experience for us too. We like, we learned so much.

Like obviously the first half was crazy long and we were like, okay, we have to just like course correct. I think the next iteration that we do this, it will, I think we'll streamline things a little bit more. If you'd love, if you would like to be involved,

I think we will get it right this time. I'll produce. I just think, I just want everyone to always know that Las Codrillas are always celebrating and are always positive. And that's what I love about I Don't Think So Honey is even though I Don't Think So Honey

is inherently negative, it is also primarily cathartic and celebratory. And I just want everyone to know that and feel that because i and i think i speak for you as well want to be someone that makes people feel good and when i when when when the anthony piece came out and then like later on we had some friends that like hosted the show right at ucb where he did monologues at it and apparently he like mentioned the vulture piece yeah and like playfully stomped his feet apparently and like said he didn't like it right and that made me feel deeply sad i know it's hard because i don't want anyone to ever feel bad as a result of something that we've done it's unless they deserve it sure yeah unless they've done something actually harmful or bad you know what i mean and so that's just i just want to

make people feel good just to and just to go off of that like my first like media experiences or just my diet um in terms of like people commenting on media um Just in terms of the way that we think about it now was through like this sort of triumvirate of Tyler Coates, Bobby Finger, Richard Lawson. Oh yeah, you mentioned this the other day. Right, like just like those, like Sam Taggart and I have talked to you about this, Tyler, a lot about how we were just like,

just would like meet up and like talk to each other about like, oh my God, those people are so cool because they're talking about all these different facets of pop culture in such a way that just like, just would like meet up and like talk to each other about like, Oh my God, those people are so cool because they're talking, they're talking about all these different facets of pop culture in such a way that is like, I mean like sure it's snarky sometimes, but also like at the end of the day, it's like a celebration. It's not like,

like you don't reduce that down to, you don't distill that down to being like, Oh, well they're being negative and mean and rude. It was this like great moment. And so, yeah, sorry to bring, sorry to bring that up. up i mean but how do you think about it like do you think about that

when you're talking about things i yeah all the time i mean i constantly worry i mean i think the reason why i was never performing like the way i performed online basically like i wrote in like a voice and a character in a way yeah and i think about that all the time like how much of myself i'm putting out there my boyfriend and i talk about all the time because we've known each other for 10 years we dated years ago in chicago and he like hated my blog like he was just like why are you friends you're friends with people on the internet i'm making air quotes because podcasting is a visual medium yeah thank you thank you you're welcome you're welcome i pay attention and so he was just like these people aren't your friends like i'm like well i i know these people

but i don't know them and so it was very weird um and then when i moved here i met people who i'd been internet friends with for a long time i think they had expectations about me i had expectations about them even just like becoming a writer professionally. I like freak out about it all the time. Like if I, I am constantly worried there's a conspiracy against me because I've like upset people from being like a dickhead 10 years ago. And like, that'll keep me back,

which is just narcissism. And you know what? That's what it is. It's narcissism. And no one thinks about it as much as you do. I'm the kind of narcissist who thinks everyone's talking shit about him. But at least they're talking. At least they're talking.

Like, how fucking dare us think Anthony doesn't like the piece. He actively doesn't like us. But we're a tan and Jonathan and Karamo hate me and Bobby hates me. Yeah. It's terrible. They couldn't care the fuck less. They're rolling in it. They're also all fucking gorgeous.

But like there is this thing like, you know, if you put something out on the internet, like people are absolutely available to like see it. They could engage with you if they wanted. And like they can't like you, you see some celebrities like actually clap back at people, which is like refreshing in a way. Sure. But I don't know. It's just like, it's, it's also like all internet based.

And so there's no, like we strip the humanity out of it. And it's just like these personas like attacking each other. Yeah. You know what it is too? It's, I think some of those people that get clapped back at by celebrities are asking for that.

And I feel like none of us are asking for that. I mean, we're not, we're not in this to engage with celebrities over this stuff like these trolls online that's what i don't want to be grouped in with like i don't want to be one of these people that's like hmm let me say some shitty thing to michelle williams the actress and see if she tweets back like let's call someone uh heavy online and see if they get upset like can you imagine like yeah yeah that's bad i mean even when i write profiles of people i am terrified that they will be like

fuck you oh my god how dare you misread my entire life yeah wow um so that's i mean literally every time i publish one i'm like i have like a couple hours until I get a response. Panic attack, panic attack. Yeah. Yeah. And in many ways that is the most human of endeavors to really feel through someone else. Who's been your favorite person to profile? Um, I wrote about Kyle MacLachlan for the Twin Peaks.

Yes. Which is really fun. I mean, I've never had, I've never spent like two days with someone like yeah you know skinny dipping together or whatever and like we learned something i think that's like on its way out truly well because no one can afford it um but i did yeah i did conwick lachlan i did justin vivian bond and kenny melman when they did kiki and herb again

who like i mean i love both of them so much i love kiki and her so much um um everett i wrote a very early profile of her for flavor wire oh i didn't read that one before rock bottom came out wow i'm kind of responsible you are responsible i'm not at all everyone thank tyler for bridget everett um i loved your new york because didn't you open the kyle mcclellan profile with like him just greeting people yeah okay i was i was meeting him at so house and so i was like well that's funny already because i'm going to show us yeah good for you i was like waiting outside because it's early and he texted me just like an emoji like a smiley like crying face emoji and like a thumbs up i was like i'm on my way like thumbs up man i was like kyle mclaughlin uses emojis

and he just gave you like and he was like super friendly and you know handsome and I was just like he's a star you're amazing seems like a great guy let's just talk about David Lynch for an hour

and they bought me a Barada ooh yeah good who's been the biggest nightmare you've I've never had

I mean I had to write I had to write a Brooklyn Mag cover story for Ellen Page and it was over the phone. So I had 45 minutes over the phone with Ellen Page on like 8 o'clock on a Saturday morning because she was on vacation. Oh, my God. And I was just like, there's no way I can get anything good out of her.

So I had to like write Ellen Page as a cult and just be like, well, when you talk to celebrity, you think you're cool. And like, actually, it's not that glamorous because they're just on the phone. I have an idea. I think that's a good person. Whenever anyone asks you that question again, I have a good answer for you to give. Say the green M&M. Because she's exactly what you think.

Really stuck up. Is that Bebe Neuwirth? Is it Bebe Neuwirth? I think Bebe Neuwirth is the voice of it. I love that. Oh, is she? I think so. Oh my God.

She must be making a lot of great Mars bar money. I'm really happy for her if she's making that money. Good for her. Okay. I think it's time. I think it's time to move on to I Don't Think So Honey. Yes. And we've got a, we've got an expert in the forum with us.

He's judged it. Truly. I Don't Think So Honey is our segment that we do every episode and it's our one minute each to rail against something in culture that's really just bothering us and deserves to be taken down.

We should say that you should definitely come to our live show, I Don't Think So Honey, Las Culturistas live at the Bell House on March 16th at 8pm. We have a great lineup.

Amazing lineup. Okay, so do you want to, I can go first, do you want p.m., we have a great lineup. Amazing lineup. Okay, so do you want to, I can go first. Do you want to go first? I have a topical one. It is my birthday and I have a topical one. And I have a topical one too, but would you like to go first since it's your birthday? You make the choice. I'll go first.

Okay, so this is Matt Rogers' birthday. I don't think so, honey. Topical. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Balloons. When I'm in a row with a balloon balloon i have no idea what the fuck is gonna happen i don't know if it's gonna stay floating float to the ground and if it flows to the ground

guess what if i'm not looking and it hits a pin pop bitch if a balloon pops i will be so upset if a balloon pops it is shocking no matter who you are i don't care and you know less cultural racist listeners that i do not deal well with the shocks. I don't think so, honey. Sudden, loud noises. I don't think so. Any hard films. So I definitely don't think so, honey. Balloons. Let me tell you something else. Emotionally, balloons bother me because they

signify a moment in my life when I was a young child and I went to TGI Fridays on an evening. And my parents gave me a balloon for my birthday. And guess what? I let go of the balloon and the balloon went into midair and I stared at it crying, crying, crying. I will never forget standing in that parking lot, watching the balloon go. So I don't think so.

Honey balloons. You can pop, you can fly. You can never do anything right. I don't think so. Honey balloons. And that's one minute. Wow. Wow.

Amazing. Balloons popping are the great equalizer. Yes. Everyone's shocked. It's true. Oh my God. You're right. You know what? I'm okay. Ioons popping are the great equalizer. Yes. Everyone's shocked. It's true. Oh my God. You're right. You know what?

I'm okay. I don't think so. Honey balloons. Never give Matt a balloon. I think that you would have, you would be hard pressed to tell me. I think so. Honey balloons.

There is no greater anxiety in the world than a helium filled balloon that gets let go and floats outside and goes all the way up in the sky. That fucked me up as a kid. I was like, where is it going? Where is it going? Everyone took balloons and sent them out and they had notes attached to them. No, that's not like one side.

It's called littering, actually. Thank you. It's called littering. You know what? Hey, little kids, it's called littering. I didn't come up with it. No, you're littering the sky and the fucking earth because it'll fall down yes and i'll tell you one other thing after a party when all the balloons

are on the ground and you have to do that thing when you pick up the balloons and you kind of squeeze them to make to to pop them and you never know when enough pressure is going to be enough so you're standing around like oh my god oh my god oh my god and you really don't know what's going to happen guess what i have a a really good life hack for that. What? Just get a pin and pop them like that. Yeah, I mean, that's what I would normally do. Okay.

That was beautiful, Matt. Happy birthday. Thank you. Okay. And this is Bowen Yang's, Matt Rogers' birthday. This is so funny. I shouted out George Tavares on this podcast and he just texted me. Oh my God. Hi, George. I'll tell him you said hi after he's a wonderful new friend great that we have and

everyone should check out george he's a very funny stand-up funny in the new york area um okay this is bo and yang's i don't think so honey and his time starts now i don't think so honey dear basketball what the fuck was that short animated film that won the Oscar? So that means Kobe Bryant has an Oscar and we're going to give him that in the year of Me Too, which is so fucking ironic. It's disgusting.

It is the opposite of delicious irony. It makes me want to hurl. I don't think so, honey. Kobe Bryant for obvious reasons, but I don't think so, honey. Kobe Bryant, for obvious reasons, but I don't think so, honey. Pamela Mackey, his fucking lawyer in Eagle County, Colorado, who intimidated witnesses,

intimidated the accuser so that she didn't testify in court so the charges were dropped. Kobe Bryant is a fucking rapist. Rapist pig. 15 seconds. That animated short sucks it's a self congratulatory letter

and it's a retirement announcement that oh my god oh my god it's so bad let me shout out the amazing other nominees garden party an amazing amazing animated short that's one minute we will never hear the other one well that was the one that I wanted

to get at the most I thought that was your frontrunner Lou by Pixar was the close second I can't believe that one I can't believe that one the only person on Twitter who appropriately the only Twitter figure I'll say who appropriately was enraged at this

was Roxane Gay she was like what the fuck and I was like yes Roxane Gay gets wild on Twitter I love Roxane Gay. She was like, what the fuck? Yeah. And I was like, yes, but why aren't the rest of us like this? Roxane Gay gets wild on Twitter. I love Roxane. Give me Roxane every day. I have to read her new stuff. Okay, Tyler.

That was brilliant. That was good. I think we've had two really good ones. We've had two good ones. I think Tyler was telling me today, are you going to do what you said we were going to do? Yeah.

I think. I've been like, this is the thing about I don't think so, and he's like, John and I do them if we run out of things to talk about. Like when we went to London and Paris, when we were in Paris

and like could only talk to each other. We just were like, what else do we talk about? We talked about the day. Okay. I don't think so, honey. Go. I love it. It's a way to pass the time. That's gorgeous. And you learn about each other. But I haven't done it in a really long time.

So I'm rusty. So I'm like, it's okay. Nervous. You're going to do it. Okay. This is Tyler Coates. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.

I don't think so, honey. Jennifer Lawrence is so authentic. Bullshit. Number one, I believe that she tripped herself when she won that Oscar. No one can prove me wrong. Oh my God. Just try me. Number two, she shouldn when she won that Oscar. No one can prove me wrong. Oh my God. Just try me. Number two, she shouldn't have won that Oscar.

It should have gone to Jessica Chastain. Miley Cyrus could have done the same performance. I walked out of Silver Linings Playbook. A white woman in Chelsea yelled at me for it. And I'm not over it. Oh, 30 seconds. Number four. I don't know.

Jennifer Lawrence. She said that she couldn't watch Phantom Threat. She turned it off after three minutes. Ew! Because A, she's a middle school dropout. She's self-educated. Number two, she only did that because she's still mad that she broke up with Darren Aronofsky and now he's dating someone

younger than her, which I'm just saying the writing was on the wrong there. Five seconds. Absolutely. Don't date Darren Aronofsky. Watch a couple movies, bitch. I'm sorry. Mother was bad.

That's one minute. That's one minute. Okay. I'm sorry. Mother was bad. Miley Cyrus could have done Silver Linings Playbook is a true gag for you to say. I disagree. I do believe that Jennifer Lawrence was great in that film

no no I'm so team Tyler on this the whole scene like first of all everyone has trouble well I guess you could you said you like Jennifer Lawrence in that movie no I told you that I hated Jennifer Lawrence in that movie listen here's the thing everyone has trouble pointing out

like you know every best actress movie like in the clip it's like everyone has trouble picking out a you know every best actress movie like in in the clip it's like everyone has trouble picking out a clip for that movie it's not it's either her going up to bradley cooper being like uh so what if i'm a slut i like that about myself that part or the other part is where she goes and like schools robert de niro and all these fucking philly stats right i can tell you the clip i didn't make it that part but that that just that whole scene it's just so like you see the wheel the gears turning in her head no the clip is he's harassing me he's harassing me miley would have done better no she wouldn't have yeah that was she gave a really good panicked anxious performance there

and i think that it was performative because it was the character was doing it on purpose because that's how she gets a rise out of people and when she saw that she saw herself in him and his reaction i thought that was really good and i thought it was a good romantic comedy performance i'm a i'm an apologist for her my thing might tell with her is that if you see her in a word show and she tries to read off a teleprompter she has nothing to offer because she relies on editing and a director to tell her what to do and usually he's telling her to play a 40 year old I just want to say her like holding a glass of white wine last

night and like walking over I was like her publicist told her to do that that's the thing I'm just like just she's like walking over the seats climbing over the seats and I'm just like Jennifer her way It was an empty auditorium

She was doing that just because she was on display So I don't know And we celebrate Jennifer Because we celebrate culture I have not said anything negative about Jennifer I can stand unscathed Trust me I toned that one down a little bit After our last conversation

It could have been worse. Um, I loved, I loved this. Fabulous. This was so fantastic. The most cultured guest we've ever had on everyone else. This is confirmed.

Wow. Everyone we've ever had on is garbage. Tyler, thank you so much for having me. Thank you, Tyler. It was very fun for us. Very fun for us.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for, thank you for being here on my birthday. Oh, you're welcome. It's the gift that I could only give you absolutely how old am i 19 why do you ask because when you're 19 and somebody tells you that they love you

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