Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Agatha Christie White Mystery" (w/ Fran Tirado)

Episode Date: January 19, 2022

This week Las Culturistas invites a queer latinx stoner podcaster and it's NOT even Che Diaz!!! It's the much less annoying Fran Tirado! And would you believe that Che takes up a lot of discussion space in this episode of all episodes? The gals discuss just WHAT Che is representing, And Just Like That as we barrell towards the finale, white creators confronting whiteness in their work, Spider Man: No Way Home and fan service culture, how Peacock is actually IT, Real Housewives: Ultimate Girls Trip, casting queer roles with straight actors and the backlash that occurs when it happens, Drag Race and the Maddy Morphosis of it all, Greek mythology, youth group, how D.A.R.E. made us want to do drugs more, and that thing that happens when you masturbate too much and your dick goes "poof!" like a baby dragon who can't yet breathe fire. Would you introduce yourself to your favorite OnlyFans creator if you saw them at the mall? Can you handle if it Jujubee loses another season of Drag Race? Should Raya end once and for all? Much to discuss! Listen to this AND Fran's new podcast Like A Virgin with Las Cultch favorite Rose Dommu! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Your hair is sitting. This is the thing. The roots are sort of like slow fade on the initial growth. And then just like that, the roots will come in. And just like that. So, and then, this is my impression of my roots

in about a week. Hey, it's Che Diaz, aka your roots. AKA, they're going to be a national topic. Okay?

We, should we do a Che Diaz update now? Or I feel like we need to get our guest in. I feel like our guest will have a lot to say, but. I mean,

look, our guest is truly like a contributor to the conversation. So I'm not going to... The guest? We're certainly not going to start a conversation without... Yeah, absolutely. So should we just do housekeeping personal check-in before we get the guest in here? So your roots are... I think that when...

I can actually start to see them poking out now. Right, but in a tasteful Right. In a tasteful way. In a tasteful way. And I have to say, you know, I actually think that they are going to enhance the look. We'll see about that. I just think my hair is too short in order for the roots to be like,

you know, to hit a nice golden ratio ever. Like, I think this is, this is the one time it'll look good. Housekeeping. Speaking of which I have owned my own yeelits you have your own yeelit i have my own yeelit my own ye is across the room from me right now and it is the four wick zen wen and it's gigantic it is the size of like a baby a big baby and can i tell you ordered two. And the way I had to sort of like get my workout in carrying them down the hall.

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But like, I- Am I a Nicki fan? Pull up in the Sri Lanka. What? What? She really pulled up in the Sri Lanka for that interview. I can't believe that happened and we didn't even bring it up

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we're we're so excited please welcome france wow welcome to the arena bitch welcome to the arena oh my god thank you you know they're really there must have been some mix-up i was supposed to be introduced as shay diaz my given name let me tell you imagine being named named Che Diaz right now. Like that's going to be, that's got to be such a panic. Imagine being- What a daily panic. On top of the panic of being like a Latin non-binary stoner podcaster.

I'm like, my lawyers will be in touch. I could not. It is representation that I did not ask for. Right. It is, is it, Is it fun house mirror? Is it something you reject as a reflection of yourself? Like what, how do you process, Jay? You know, what's interesting is I genuinely love the show, like the reboot.

I am, it is appointment television. I am enjoying every second of it. Yes. It's appointment television. I am enjoying every second of it. It's very fun. It's maybe more fun to talk about than it is to watch sometimes. Yeah. Given like, I mean,

the double vomit we just saw last week is like one of those moments. But I mean- It was a roller coaster. Yeah, it was a roller coaster. But I mean, the Shade Diaz of it all, you know, I was, honestly, I should have just

like an enacted and been a version of shade diaz this if i had the improvisational skills i should have just done this interview as shade which i think you would have you would pull off with the plum well you know it's hard because you know chae is just such a such a complex character, you know? All you need to do is mention weed every third sentence about how you've been smoking weed so much. No, no, no, no, no. Doing weed. Doing weed. We have to weed.

It cannot be overstated. They don't smoke weed in this family event just like that. They do weed. A lot of it, in fact. Oh, yes. They can't possibly remember DMs. They've been doing a lot of weed. fact oh yes we can't possibly remember dms they'd been doing a lot of weed that's honestly i since the show has started i've been truly unable to think about like

literally anything else other than shea diaz it's like i think part of like this like kind of caricature is like i mean i guess i wasn't surprised to learn that there were like no latin or non-binary writers in the writers room because shea is so like a an amalgam of like our collective imagination of like what a non-binary person might be you know because like she has like this like um shock jock personality yes joe rogan slash jennifer aniston in morning show kind of vibe but then like time thank you but then like this is a cinematic universe it really is but then they still have like the revelatory like gender speeches of like nanette and then like dated drag language like step your pussy up and like yes queen and like it's like who who is this person like i believe that insufferable non-binary people exist like we we know those

people but like it's it's such a mishmash of like things well gawker did a whole piece about how jds jds is perfect because it is depicting the way that all comedians are very annoying and we can we agree and i think that is and i think and i think i think it was olivia craighead who said like you know sarah ramirez is doing a perfect portrayal of this character it's not that sarah ramirez is like butchering the acting it's that they are actually accurately essentializing the way that all comedians or any comedian period slash podcast or slash whatever person in that space is obnoxious by default. I don't feel the need to be self-effacing about this. Actually, I'm not that annoying. I'm sorry. I consider myself to be pretty annoying.

But you're not that annoying. No, I'm nowhere near as annoying as Che Diaz. And I'm actually going to step out and bravely state that because I actually don't think we need to in any way knock ourselves in the conversation around Che Diaz. Che Diaz is, here's another thing that strikes me. Any character that's like, well, I'm really good at sex. It's been a thing how good they are at sex. And I'm just kind of like, I'm like, what is this?

It's just, I don't know how to take it anymore i'm with you fran it is appointment television for me and when i get on here week after week and explain the third graders and their endeavors and like how they keep heightening and how they keep deepening and how they keep challenging not just themselves but also the status quo and the culture i want to make it clear i'm not knocking the show necessarily because i do think that a large part of entertainment is especially in the year of our lord 2022 is watchability how we provoke the conversation is the conversation unfortunately wow can't believe they said doing weed yes but it is a conversation nonetheless. And we are here and we are having it.

And as we barrel towards the finale, and we are barreling towards it. We are. When is the finale? The finale is in like three weeks. I think we've got three more episodes. Oh my God, that's crazy. And I don't think I've been this excited for a finale

since the morning show season two. Well, I am deeply sad that it's about to end. I am actually very sad that it's about to end. Me too. I'm not ready. I think that like, I have enjoyed the show a ton. I think a lot of the reason that people are like so hot and bothered about this specifically is because the show has so much else going on.

It really is a part of this very bizarre bizarre like kind of issue of like next gen reboots you know like we had like you know the will and grace and l word and like tales of the city kind of like reboots that do this thing that we call on food for thought woke whack-a-mole where they really try to hit every single corner of like justice culture. And I think if it was just Shay, like we could be like, oh, that's like an annoying character. Like I too identify with a not that annoying community.

I think it's really brave of you to platform. I'm here. I'm here. And I'm stating it. I'm here. I'm not, I know I'm not that annoying. But,

but yeah, I think that like, because the show has all these other things that are also kind of just as annoying as Shay, it's like a part of the amalgam. It's like, we can't ignore it. Like, I can't not be mad about this, you know? Yeah.

Can I say something very, very egocentric? Oh, please. I watched this recent episode when Shay came on the screen and I thought, oh my God, is that what someone thinks I am? Oh, please. same am i the same sort of legibility as che like am i like like i i feel like that's what freaks me out as i'm like see like people like will grossly misinterpret me as being that when i too am not that i actually want to walk back my thing about being annoying but all comedians being annoying i also am proudly in the not that annoying community can i say that can we place ourselves there i think both of you are i don't for sure i i would say well this is just to respond to what you're saying what you're saying though it's like i don't think that that character is supposed to

represent now at more than i want the more i'm watching it i don't think that che is supposed to represent more than che i really don't i think they do because they're all of these things. They're a podcaster. They're a comedian. They're non-binary. They're POC. Like, and like they lead, they're stoned. They lead with all of these, you know, everything about Che and yet, you know, you know, nothing

about them. You know, like, I feel like that's what's so remarkable about Che as a character. I don't think there is anything annoying about being a queer podcaster who smokes. No, no, no, that's not what I'm saying. I think there's everything annoying about Che. Because Che is constantly talking about how much they smoke, the pussy they eat. Like, it's getting to the point where it's just like, oh, okay, so we're actually, what we're saying is not just straight male comedians. We're now saying, actually,

you know who else can be this annoying? Queers. Yes. Queers are sometimes even worse because you have to figure out how to talk to them too. Oh, it's so annoying. At least with a straight male podcast for who munches rug and is always talking about it.

At least we know them in the culture. Now we have to say they. You're right, you're right they're annoying the i could not the pronouns joke was such a love i just feel i i kind of i'm feeling like halves of what both of y'all are saying like i i feel like you know this show is trying to create a conversation around women in their 50s and any conversation conversation, any show about a generation, if it's a sitcom, is going to make fun of the other generations. You know, that's a given. And so you see the ways that it creeps in, like the way that it kind of critiques woke culture or whatever,

but in it, like kind of critiques itself. I think that there is a lot of like smart writing mixed in with like a lot of bad choices, you know? Like I personally am like really interested in like white people trying to write about whiteness, trying to like kind of implicate themselves in the problems or like funny things about whiteness. So I was actually like really jazzed when the show started.

It's just like, it's just one too many things where it's like, okay, like who smokes a bowl in an elevator? You know what I mean? That was not a bowl, a pipe. What was that piece?

That piece, I was like, I've never seen anything like this before. It was crazy. It's like vape, grow up. And then when it fell apart in three pieces at the funeral, I was like, what is this contraption anyway? Maybe

just get a one-hitter or something, brah. It was so confusing. I mean, as I said earlier, I have been unable to think about everything else, and because I have worm brain, I listen to not one but two companion podcasts about And Just Like That. I'm consuming everything about this, and

unfortunately learned that, I mean, not just that there are no Latin or everything about this and unfortunately learned that i mean not just that there are no latin or non-binary writers but that mpk did attend a panel of trans and gender non-conforming people to learn more about the non-binary experience but didn't hire them but didn't hire them um yeah yeah yeah but like proud of you for you know doing the work or whatever we i actually just before i forget the double vomit what was very well done i thought and i thought it was great we have to give kudos to a nuvalia who directed that episode do you know the btst about that vomit scene have you heard no okay oh my god this is the podcast this is from that yeah this is the podcast knowledge

so um when when they were trying to pull off this fake vomit stunt in the magic of tv you know it's a long plastic tube that is taped to sjp's like neck okay and you know the tube goes down the block and these like dudes are pumping fake vomit out the side of her face to create this illusion as if she's vomiting um the people they hired apparently were not amazing at their jobs mpk said that they were fired after and they couldn't get the vomit to actually work to like actually shoot out of the pipe and after like trying to get this to trying to get this thing to work over and over again sjp turns the director and goes to take off the tape take off the tubes take off everything give me the vomit put in my mouth she takes a two liter bottle a fake vomit chugs it

and does the vomiting herself and mpk said that the second vomit that she does is all one take. She had a trap door of vomit to vomit a second time and that is acting. SJP is one of the greats. I cannot believe she did that. I was in awe. My jaw is on the floor. I have to walk this back a second. Yes, yes, yes.

She unusually vomited, Matt. No, no, no, no, no, no. I refuse to believe this is true. It is. You're telling me that she chugged? So, can I say, this is, I just recently had to vomit profusely in a project.

No way. I was there for it. And they give you a couple options of different things that you can pretend to vomit. I don't believe for a second that Sarah Jessica Parker, amazing

actress as she is, actually consumed the stuff that they give you and then actually vomits. So what we're seeing is real vomit? Can I tell you, it looked real when I saw it. I was like, wait, something about the SJP throw-ups looks real.

You know, let me tell you, Matt, I too did not want to believe it. I listened to this exchange multiple times. It is straight from MPK's mouth. She chugged the fake vomit and I guess threw that up or something. Or maybe, I don't know. It was a lot of vomit, he said.

And, you know, I choose to believe it because I believe women. Thank you. There's such an easier way to do that, though, which is just hold the right hold the vomit in your mouth no but she wanted to give it that velocity that motion that kinesthesia like the velocity she wanted it to look like vomit projectiling out of her mouth which you cannot do matt and you know this repulsive i know i did it and don't you say

that i didn't do it because i'm sorry but you watched it. And don't you say that I didn't do it because I did do it. And you watched it happen. And don't be fresh with me. And don't doubt my abilities. I'm saying this is not your limit to your ability. Every human being can only hold so much fluid in their mouth to simulate vomit for an acting scene.

SJP was like, I'm going to transcend that limit and actually ingest this fake prop vomit so that I can control when it comes out and with the speed at which it does. That feels like an unsafe working atmosphere. She's been doing this for 35 plus years. No, I'm saying there was a toxic culture on set.

There was a toxic culture. I guess we'll find out i guess we'll find out revealed this is gonna be revealed vomit i wanted to ask you as someone who just said you're interested in white people writing about whiteness and you're sort of uh observing this happen on this show what did you think of white lotus i loved it i loved it really did i i i thought that there was a lot of really salient criticism about it um that people were kind of like you know talking about how uh the the music used in it and the way that the island was used to film and all the different stuff was like not you know very kosher and that there should have been a writer's room for some of this stuff. But I think that people were kind of putting too much on it to be an actual critique

of whiteness. It was a mystery. It was like, and, you know, and Agatha Christie, like, you know, white mystery. And like, I think that like on face value, that's like what it was. And like, people thought it was supposed to be this brilliant critique of whiteness. I just think it had, like, really, I thought, accurate, like, jokes about woke culture. But those were just, like, a byproduct of what the show actually was. I don't know. What do y'all think? I do want to say

Agatha Christie white mystery is the frontrunner. Is frontrunner for Shadow of the Up. Oh, good to know. Good to know. I feel like a lot of the woke commentary was placed on the teens. Mostly. And I guess Connie Britton's character. I mean, like, that was like the central sort of like locus for it.

I didn't, I guess, I guess my only thought was that it could have been like, if it might have been more satisfying for people like talking about it, if like that was more evenly like distributed. I don't know. Yeah, that's the thing. I think that people were trying to put like the show's intention into it. And I don't think that's like really

what the show is trying to do. I think that was just a tool that the show used to tell a story that was, you know, a mystery, I guess. Totally, totally. But I loved it. Loved every second of it. I really enjoyed it. I thought the ending was not amazing.

But, you know, I probably couldn't stick the landing better. It was like really, it was a lot. I mean, endings are hard. I mean, you know, again, as I'm talking about as we barrel towards the end, just like the finale, I actually, I was watching Watch What Happens Live the other night, and they had Nicole Ari Parker on the show who plays the iconic Sesame Street character,tw um and oh my god that's good and um they asked her she got a question from the audience like what did you think of the finale and what can fans expect and she got this by the way one of the most beautiful women on planet earth

it is crazy but she gets this glimmer in her eye and she said, well, let's just say that I think that the fans are going to be really, really excited. Oh my God, Samantha. I'm sorry. If Samantha comes back at the end of the finale of And Just Like That, this will go down in history as the best season of television.

It would be unreal. It would be more satisfying, emotional than, you know, Toby and Andrew Garfield in Spider-Man No Way Home. Oh. For me,

it would be much more fun. I would forgive it all its trespasses, okay? I love Toby in No Way Home, though. But yeah,

I agree. No, so did I. Somehow, somehow. Yeah, I loved, I loved No Way Home, though. It was so good. Loved.

Loved. Loved the, honestly, now leading competitor for maybe most homoerotic Marvel film in the MCU. Like, maybe, we were literally just talking about this

with Joel on the podcast, Joel Pembooster. But yeah, I think No Way Home is up there. What do y'all think? Because you are MCU fans. Oh, love MCU. The way that,

like, they found, when they go back and, like, Andrew Garfield and Tobey Maguire are just hanging on each other. I was like, first of all, I want to say this, and I know I'm with my sisters when I say this. The sexual activities that I would like to participate in with Andrew Garfield are numerous. Range from? Are what? They're numerous. They're numerous I would like to have

every I like to explore parts of myself I never knew I I want to stop short by saying specifically what it is but I don't want to sound uncouth but let's just say that

I when he appeared on screen as Spider-Man and started talking with his little mouth, I was like, he is so hot. And I used to be on this big Sebastian Stan kick. And I have to say, Andrew Garfield has taken my number one spot. He's so hot. He's so good.

He's so good in Tick, Tick, Boom. He was so good in No Way Home. I'm obsessed with Andrew Garfield. I love him. I love him. He's so good in Tick Tick Boom he was so good in No Way Home I'm obsessed with Andrew Garfield I love him he's so good I really like I loved how to me like I love that all the Spider-Mans were kind of playing like a very different

Spider-Man but I love that like Andrew Garfield was kind of this like like aww guys like this sensitive kind of like aww there were my feelings kind of like, but it was so like nuance. It was very like fan servicey, but like, there was nothing about it that I disliked. Like, I just like love every second of the this like three Spider-Man exchange. Joel, Joel Kim Booster has said that it is not a movie that it is just like a theme park ride.

And I am totally okay with that. A hundred percent. It is the first, you know, Marvel movie to use only a meme as its source material. Like three Spidermans pointing at each other. It really just went for it. And that I knew, you know, when it comes to rectifying source material, brave. Very well done. Can I just say, this is what no way home gets right and this

is what this is what i tend to actually enjoy about reboots and this is why maybe sex maybe this is why maybe i'm dressed like that it's kind of like not really rubbing me the right way all the time even though i also love it and i'm so excited for the finale i'm very sad that it's ending final fantasy 7 is this one of the best games of all time. We consider it one of the best games of all time. They rebooted it. It took like 20 plus years to reboot. Completely ground up

PS4 remake. And the story changes have to do with, like, all of a sudden, there are all these hooded ghosts that like swirl around you

at various points in the story. And you're like, who the hell are these people? What are they supposed to do? And they keep like writing the story. They keep like, anytime the story deviates from the original, these hooded people come in to like set it back to what it was.

And then you find out in the end that like they're supposed to represent the fans. They represent the fans of the original game to like, to be like, oh no, like this is a presence in the game. There's no way you like write out the discourse around something that's so beloved and so you have to basically like incorporate it somehow into the story and i feel like no way home does that in a way and and just like that

maybe doesn't i don't know what i'm getting at but like there's something very satisfying about acknowledging the fans there's something cool about fan service. A fan service is not like bad on its face, I don't think. Yeah, I don't think it's like intrinsically cheap at all. Like I thought that everything that was done in No Way Home was like so earned. You know what I mean? Yes, I agree.

Yeah, and I also think we're at the point now with these films where they have to acknowledge. This movie, I think, actually was acknowledging and commenting on the fandom. That's kind of what the multiverse is. It's about how you do return to these characters in different iterations all these times and how

in a way, like, our opinion on one is affected by the other. And so this is that in practice. You know, it's these worlds actually colliding because, you know, we as fans of Spider-Man or whatever, you know, we do that all the time in our heads and our discussions of them. So it is just pure fun. But I also do think it does serve as a useful installment of the MCU.

It just was, it was just different. And also you can, you can remember this film in a way that you're not going to remember a lot of the other ones. You know what I mean? I think that they do have to get inventive and bull with these things. And even if people think,

well, that's just fan service on face value. Like I have to break it to you. Like these are superhero movies. Like they are made to service the fans. Like that's that is why they are made and so people you know coming in with the criticism of this is one of my least favorite mcu movies because it's just a theme park ride like what what would you consider the other ones like what what was black widow if not a theme park ride like yeah what is the avengers exactly if not a theme park ride? Yeah. What is The Avengers exactly if not a theme park ride?

I understand that people might place certain films that have auteur directors or whatever. Someone might be a fucking Eternal Sten because they love what Chloe Zhao did with it. But that was less of a theme park ride. So it's different strokes, I guess. Yeah, I think that's my thing with reboots is like, I,

I think something that I loved about no way home is that I think if you're going to do like a reboot of any kind or like bring back things, it's like, you need to like kind of radically re imagine it. And a lot of these like kind of reboots, so to speak are just not doing that at all. And I don't know, obviously it's like complicated

if like the original thing was like a little problematic in some way because trying to like rectify that, you know, creates another layer. You're talking about Sex and the City? I'm talking about, I mean, I'm talking about Sex and the City. I'm talking about like West Side Story, honestly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which I, a movie that I loved,

but like walked away with it being like, what was revised and like for who and like how, like, I, it's like, I think I get really like interested in like, I don't know how, um, we verify authenticity versus like representation versus like what won't get you canceled versus like, what is just, you know, good TV or what is just a good story. And I think that people don't understand that there's no resolute point to any of those things.

And that's why we're always going to disagree on them. And if it's like for a specifically marginalized community, like lack of visibility and scarcity mentality gives us this like lizard brain that compels us to tweet like the meanest things about it and like yeah that's not the creator's fault no but it is like a responsibility that you now have if you're gonna like make this thing you know what i mean i i agree i agree this fall on bravo it's time to turn up. Think you've seen it all?

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I don't mean to throw that out there and then obviously, because the odds of it happening are so low and also that it wouldn't be leaked is crazy, but I'm just thinking to myself, they've now batted her around so many times.

I think they have. Like if, you know, Chekhov's gone, babe. Like, it just is what it is. And I mean, honestly, what's really going to happen is Samantha's going to enter the MCU and Kim Cattrall is going to be,

I don't know, like some sex robot or something like that. Like, I don't know. Whatever it is, I will be there for it. I am. I have something to report.

Oh yeah. I took it upon myself to directly text a new, is this rumor true that SJB chugged the vomit for the actual takes? We were discussing it on Las Culturistas at this very moment. I said, incredible episode. She goes, she's currently the,

the, the speech bubble is in the ellipsis, but she goesg bowen this is an actual real true thing i will i will tell you more as i information as i receive it but she is currently texting me i think a missive about what happened on that day this is tea you are blowing my mind i'm so happy this is but you you introduced, I would not have known about this if you didn't tell us. It's crazy. It's amazing.

She deserves an EGOT. She is one of, we have repeatedly said on this podcast, you cannot deny what she is doing. And look, for all the big swings that are happening with the show, Carrie Bradshaw is still,

she suffered, and she is still that girl and she is still that girl she is still that girl she remains that girl and when every episode ends and you're still on the journey with Carrie I'm still like okay great I'm still here I'm still on board because it is Carrie Bradshaw

it is Sarah Jessica Parker doing what the other girls really said that they would do and then didn't. But, but so, so all the sort of craziness with the Miranda storyline, like the sort of the,

the betrayal, uh, like that is happening with Steve, you know, to see him flop around that farmer's market. I mean, it was just, it was just too much for me personally i was like this is just not

this is not what i signed up for here but steve is just way too hot for that it's just i know it's not it's not believable that someone named steve could be so like sexless and that he and that sexual energy that he gives when you fuck like that in the year 1999 2000 2001 that doesn't go away no man like like he didn't forget how to fuck i'm sorry like like it's it's not and it's not a world i want to live in it's not a place i'm willing to go with the show like i i i'm not going to a place of steve forgot how to fuck. If Miranda's over it, let's just have Miranda be over it. If Miranda's going to decide that she is ready to move on to a new chapter of

her life, that's fine. But stop making Steve look like this, like fucking clown. Yeah. Poor Steve. Poor Steve. Poor Steve.

I, I feel like, you know what, that something that the reboot is doing is Charlotte has become my favorite character. Are you kidding me? I'm not joking. I'm not joking. Fran? Okay, I think

Listen, the episode where she is acquiring if not near kidnapping black people to diversify her friend group was kind of egregious. However, I've laughed the most, I've lulled the most at like Charlotte jokes.

I think that her fillers are adding to her character. I think it is enriching. Enriching the experience of her line delivery. I was never a Charlotte fan, was never a Charlotte stan, and something about this reboot,

I'm kind of into it. I'm into her. I have to dissent it i have to dissent okay so she's still your least favorite because because you you see yourself in her or and you resent that no it's not that you bitch i what i would say is i just feel like charlotte she's always been the one that's like, well, I'm willing to learn. But it's just kind of like, you would know this. Like her stumbling into LTW's party and immediately barreling over to the woman and being like, hey, girl, it's you.

And then she'd be like, that's not me. And then when he said, so who who's read zadie smith i'm like this is like this this feels too much for me again dumbing them down too far it's not even dumbing them down i i think like no this is perfect this is a perfect example for charlotte to know like zadie smith and to know like be very familiar about the work of like black artists like the way that she sort of like schools everybody like schools ltw's mother-in-law about like that piece being like a good investment like you must have somewhat of a nuanced like view on race to not then recruit black people to come to your dinner party like that's what like is

dissonant to me but but charlotte i don't know i i can't i i haven't made up my mind on her and about yeah i thought that episode was like unforgivable i i i had a really hard time with it not necessarily because it was like an unrealistic thing for her to go through i think that's like a problem that white people deal with like sure like yeah but like yeah but um, it was just at no point was it explained that her behavior was abhorrent. And so when she told LTW, like, oh yeah, like, um, like this is what I did. She was like, yeah, sure. Go off queen. It was like, what? Like, yeah, that was my issue with it. It was, I was just like, i really would have appreciated a moment where ltw would have just been like really that's lame like these like we're not

just like props for you at a dinner party like even if you were trying to make it comfort comfortable for me like what about her and then what did you end up disinviting her because i couldn't go like you lied to this woman like i just feel like i i don't buy ltw because she was like the way she reacted i was i just couldn't understand and i was like how are we in fact challenging charlotte as a character if she's not going to like answer for her actions in this episode in any way yeah how what in what way are we seeing the development of this character if this white woman gets away with doing this like stupid shit? Exactly. So that

episode like I agree with you but I think like Charlotte is a character where she's like I'm gonna get an A on my an A plus on my report card and ask for extra credit. You know what I mean? So of course when like this like cultural wave hits her she thinks it's something that she can win.

So, you know, even in this last episode where she, like, randomly dropped a Demi Lovato quote, I was, like, in my head, I was, like, that was wild. But then I, like, went back further and I was, like, well, if Charlotte's trying to, like, learn more about her non-binary kid, Demi Lovato's going to be one of the first Google searches. So, like, maybe, I first Google searches. So like, you know, I'm honestly giving it a lot of passes, but I think my real thing is like, it feels true to character, even if it is hard to watch.

First of all, we all know that the most famous Demi Lovato quote is not sorry, not sorry. It's that Freljostan tried to kill me. Like if we're going to quote Demi Lovato. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm sorry. If we're going to quote Debbie Lovato. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm sorry.

This is the most famous Debbie Lovato quote. So I went up to her and I beat the shit out of her or whatever. Wait, what was it? She like, it was,

I'm going to beat that bitch up. I'm going to beat that bitch up. It was from the documentary where they heard about one of their backup dancers talking shit or something. Anyway, we don't have to keep revisiting this. So I said, I'm going to beat that bitch up. I watched the first 15 minutes of that documentary because the YouTube algorithm is so cruel to me.

Oh, you mean Simply Complicated? Same. Simply Complicated. I don't think I made it that far, but I did learn a lot about Demi Lovato. So, you know. Demi Lovato continues to be one of the most thrilling presences, especially recently when they like sang to an alien about their trauma or something.

Like there was an article that came out that was like Demi Lovato has sung to an alien and as a result discovered the alien's insecurities. They're producing a show about extraterrestrial oh i've seen it it's already out where everything good is it's on peacock of course it's on peacock first of all peacock is giving what the what everyone else wants to give i'm not even saying this as uh an nbc employee i do love peac I'm on Peacock every day, all day to watch Real Housewives of New Jersey.

I'm on Peacock watching Saved by the Bell. I'm on Peacock watching Real Housewives of Miami. Saved by the Bell is so good. Saved by the Bell is the best. Wait, Fran. Fran, you'd love it. You would legit love it. Well, I have to now that I have a Peacock subscription to watch Ultimate

Girls Trip. The Ultimate Girls Trip. The Ultimate Girls Trip gave everything. Y'all watched it? I did. I've seen the first couple episodes. It's pretty enjoyable. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought it was like, honestly, really frightening how much they gave you a behind the scenes of like filming the show and asked about what the experience of filming the show was like. Because they don't do that on Housewives. They don't do that on regular Housewives. It's particularly like crazy for me because I don't know if y'all, I think I told Beau this, but like I had never seen a single episode of any Housewives franchise before the pandemic. And when the pandemic started, I watched all of New York, all of Beverly Hills, three seasons of Atlanta, all of Salt Lake and two seasons of Potomac.

And like I like I just devoured it in one like addled, like stoned. Yeah. Like kind of like mind fuck. And so like I think finally watching Ultimate Girl Trip, which, you know, everyone always talks about housewives, all stars, whatever. It was so different and like tender. And I don't know. It's not what you would, it's not what you would expect. Yeah.

Yeah. I wasn't, not a bad way, not a bad way, but I loved it. What about, so y'all, you liked,

y'all liked Ultimate Girls Trip. I really enjoyed the Ultimate Girls Trip because sort of like you, like during, during the pandemic, I think I really went into the Housewives of it all just because there's so much of it to watch. And I think volume is important when you have a lot of time. It's like, well, you know, here's this big old thing that I could never tackle outside

of this. But I think I watched, you know, 31 seasons of Survivor and hundreds and hundreds of episodes of Housewives. And what I liked about the Ultimate Girls trip was, yes, of course, that they broke the fourth wall, but also that it seemed like they got very much a diversity of experience. Like, you definitely have the people there that have only ever been hero protagonists and then people there that have been villainized by the show and, you know, certain dynamics.

Like, the Teresa Giudice and Melissa Gorga dynamic is I think a really interesting one and I'm very into Jersey now and I recommend everyone watch Jersey because it's it's it's different like I always say every housewives franchise is about something different and I deeply believe that Jersey is about like the patriarchy and about the whole that that the patriarchy has on these women, especially in that sort of like Italian American culture where it is very much what the man says goes. And, you know, Teresa goes to prison because of the actions of her husband. And I think that you see her development over time. And then to see Ultimate Girls Trip, you sort of get like a different perspective on her i like theresa a lot

in ultimate girls trip because i didn't really watch jersey and i was like oh what like she seems perfectly great i don't know she comes off like a clown when you don't know what what new new jersey housewives is like i remember when when i when the first image i ever saw of theresa judice was prostitution! And her flipping the table. I was like, oh, that's a show about a crazy person. That's a television show about a crazy individual who's off her rocker and I'm not watching Jersey.

Then you do watch it and you actually, you get surprised because you actually fall in love with Teresa a little bit and you understand. Mind you, like, this is something else we were talking about. It's not like a Jen bit and you understand, mind you, like, this is something else. It's not like a Jen Shah. It's not like a, Oh God.

No, no, no. She's like monstrous. But, but, but Teresa, like,

it's interesting because all these women start this show. They're very family first and they're very much in service to their husbands and their children. And it's like, you don't talk about our husbands. You don't talk about our children. Like I want my family's dickies, thieves that stuff etc and then like as these women gain autonomy because they're on the show and then you see theresa judais in like ultimate girl strip and

like a new relationship and it's like a businesswoman and a best-selling author and all these things it's like oh she definitely has had to evolve and transform from this person who was just a jersey housewife to now understanding how big the world is. And like, you know, that development is interesting to track. So that's what I liked about the ultimate girl strip. I haven't watched Jersey,

but like Matt, I love like your thematic readings of like a housewife franchises. It's like, that was so my experience of watching Beverly Hills season two. Like I remember just like watching everything go down and being like, I mean, obviously like I was like smoking, but like,

I was just like, well, obviously this is like a microcosm and perhaps the greatest argument as to why like wealth is a disease and how classism affects like the human psyche. You know what I mean? Like it, it really, like you do watch how like these women's lives are so like warped and like so

outside of an actual reality that their problems, I don't know, just like blow up in, obviously they have to do it for TV too, but like the way they blow up their problems is still very real. You know what I mean? And it just like speaks to your like, Oh my God.

Wow. Like these women are really actually going through this thing. Matt, what would you say the thematic rate on Miami is now that it's back? You know, Miami is interesting. Miami is sort of being carried by one cast member. Her name is Alexia Echevarria. And she is dealing with well her husband her ex-husband who's now deceased

she's found out was gay and she's meeting his lover and like sort of finding out about that and now she's in a new relationship and I don't think I've really put my finger on what exactly it is in Miami but because I

think that Miami hasn't really figured itself out yet, and I'm not super familiar with the old seasons. I have watched the reunions, but there's something there. One thing I will say about Miami is that they have, their complexes about plastic surgery

and youth seem to be different than the other franchises, which is saying something. I don't know what it is, but it seems like um the the cosmetic enhancements there are on another level i don't and i'm not sure if that's like a comment on miami or like that type of culture but there's definitely that thing of like panic about a husband moving on from you um the foundingountain of Youth Chasing is very palpable.

You know what I mean? Which is across all these franchises. But anyway. Some sort of turn up the dials on certain themes more than others. Yeah. I love that. I kind of went up, now should I watch Miami?

I love- Look, you're this far. Only on Peacock. Look, I also love the spice you put on Echeveria. I love that. Honestly. Because I you put on Echeveria. I love that. Because I thought it was Echeveria and then someone said Echeveria and I was like...

Accents on the eye. This is giving you guys doing the Cafe Bustelo ads. Do you think they reach out? You can cut this if you want. Do you think they reach out like being like, oh, this Latin podcast, Las Culturistas. This is actually why I came on the pod. I came on to the pod for the sole reason of

creating a moment of accountability. A moment of accountability for appropriation in the Latin community. That's actually why I'm here. And now we've said it. We take accountability insofar as Spanish is a colonizer's language and therefore we are actually totally

not accountable because it's not our language. Wait. It's literally culturistas, like fashionistas this and we put the we put lost because we thought oh that's just like that's what you said and then I don't know honestly this

is very um this is also giving uh and not to excuse Aaron Sorkin's remarks but like the people that were mad about Javier Bardem being cast as Desi. Oh, as a Cuban. Because they were like, he's not Latin.

And I was like, Desi Arnaz was like white. Like he went through a time where obviously like his Latinidad was a marginalization, but he was still white. And it's like, I don't, it's fine by me for like a white person to play like a different kind of white person. You know what I mean? And also he was amazing he was great he really was he was so good I'm sorry

he transcended the race dear it's honestly kind of how like I mean I think it happens more with like straight women or straight women actors than straight male actors but like when straight women nail a queer role no one says anything no one's out here talking about Carol

you know what I mean? Right. They really aren't. They really aren't. I'm not calling in Carol. That was a beautiful performance. I think sometimes you just stick the landing and it's fine. I don't like to see Jared Leto playing a transgender woman, obviously.

That's crazy. I feel like that's deeply coming at the expense of an actor and their opportunity. And we see in Disclosure in like the amazing documentary that Netflix put out, like just how damaging that is over time. But like when it's like, when it's Cate Blanchett or if it's just like, you know,

I don't know, like Harry Styles, I guess, is playing a gay policeman coming out this year. Oh yeah, a gay cop. Yeah, a gay cop or something. And I'm just like, look, ultimately like I do think that there should be a lot more representation across the board. And like, maybe we should, I don't know. Wait, what is with all these gay cops?

Didn't Lena Waithe play like a gay cop? Yes. Or whatever. She was an animated gay police. And also, wait, wait, wait. Doesn't Will Truman and Will and Grace fall in love with a gay cop? Really?

Yeah, Bobby Cannavale played a gay cop. And he's hot. He's so hot. Bobby Cannavale and Eric McCormick, both straight. And the thing is, it gets a little exhausting over time, but I don't know. I guess, I don't even know if I have a backup for why,

but every single time it feels like it's announced that a straight actor is playing a queer role, it feels like the response is the same, which is like, fuck this, fuck this, fuck this. And I'm like, I don't know. We don't know what exactly the role entails. I don't even really know what I'm saying here. Obviously, I want to argue for more representation that's proper,

but I just don't believe that it should be a blanket condemnation of every single casting decision. It feels weird to me. This is maybe an unfair question to pose, Matt, but, like, if they cast a straight guy to play your role in this TV show you would be doing, and let's just spoil that maybe this character that you're playing is gay, I mean, like, I would be doing. And let's just spoil that maybe this character that you're playing is gay.

I would be annoyed. Not that you would know that you were up for that part. Or maybe you do know that you're up for that part. I have recently gone in for auditions that have been listed as gay. And then in the casting, they change it to straight.

You know what I mean? I don't know like it's it's weird like i think the best person should play the part and i often feel that queer roles are just best going to be played by queer people but i'm not casting it i'm not directing it like i do i do like hand it over to these people to make those decisions and you hope that you know they're making these decisions based on talent and based on suitability for the part. And it's not just some studio note of being like, well, can we get a fucking straight actor in here? That's like a name. Sometimes it is that which is definitely, I think, the case.

I don't know. I just I'm talking about the blanket statement of it all where it just feels like. Sure. Yeah, it's not it's not like sure yeah it's not it's not a global it's not a blanket application yeah yeah i get where you're saying i am also like you matt like kind of concretizing my thoughts on this like i think it's like a case by case kind of like nuancing you know i think it gets more contentious when like the role centers queerness like it's about a queer experience i think with trans and gender non-conforming people specifically it's like because there's a much bigger lack of opportunities

for trans actors like that creates like a just an it's something that's very frustrating to watch like happen but like i i totally agree it's like what what do you do with heterosexual faggotry you know like i think that um honestly this is a very good segue to the matty morphosis of it all have y'all watched drag race i have not finished this this most recent episode i saw it i saw it i mean it but and and you know it's funny it frustrates me what's going on on drag race with matty morphosis because and but this is what frustrates me about it. It's not necessarily that metamorphosis is on the show. It's the other contestants,

the way that I think they're being told to discuss it. I just don't believe that there's going to be no one in that room that's going to confront metamorphosis about it. I don't believe for a second that these 10 other drag queens who are drag queens, like primarily as a result of their queer experience and as a result of the way that they've had to like navigate, you know, becoming performers and the lack of opportunity for them that they've been, you know, you know, led to drag and fall in love with drag for that reason i don't believe that universally every single one of them is literally going to be like i say work maddie like yes straight guys in drag like absolutely it's time to knock down the door i don't believe for a second that that's the reality of that workroom and the emotional temperature of that workroom so i resent that it's being portrayed that way,

to be honest with you. It's palpable, especially if you watch Untucked. Like, you can see what those girls are thinking. Yeah, so they should say it, and they should be allowed to say it. And that's, I think, that's, like, I just don't believe that we need to be, like, straight rights redrag.

I just don't. I do love that Rue came in and basically like gay bullied maddie more because like good she came in and she was like i mean i don't know how far you are beau but she basically came in and was like i think she outs she outs immediately yeah immediately outs maddie and all the girls knowing full well that all these girls are gonna be like what the fuck but she also said something to the effect of like, are you afraid you're going to be a fag by the end of this? You know what I mean? And it's like,

that is actually like the thing I would always want to have said to like Maddie Morphosis, you know? But I don't know. I mean, I think if you watch Untucked,

I think she, she says a lot of like the right things. But at the end of this, like spiel, she says something to it, something to the effect of like, like,

well, I don't actually think that straight people should do drag like i actually don't think it's like a lot of straight people should do drag or whatever and i'm like you can't say that on the biggest platform in the world for drag like sitting right like it's just it makes it just looks so crazy um but at that way beyond that like she really ate the runway it was kind of sick i mean there's nothing to knock about what maddie presented i mean maddie presented very competitive drag on the show it's it's like not about that for me it's for me it's about the way that the show is framing the responses of the other queens. I just don't buy it.

It's gaslighting. It's very gaslighting. But, I mean, I think the cast so far is really great. I'm very excited for Angeria to go up against like Pornbread, maybe also, I don't know, I loved Bosco. I loved Carrie.

I loved Bosco lunch. Carrie seems nervous, but like I'm rooting for Carrie. Yes. She's a showgirl. Carrie's stunning. I'm obsessed with Willow. We love Willow Pill. Truly obsessed.

I love Willow Pill. I love Willow Pill. Maybe not as like a... I love Willow Pill. I love Willow Pill. She's a Willow Pill. Uh, that joke will never get old.

Um, I, I, I like Willow Pill. I think I don't like her as a winner of Drag Race. I like her as like, uh, a Katya of Drag Race.

You know what I mean? Like I, I like her the way I like Brooklyn drag and that she looks like she dropped out of the new school. You know what I mean? Yes. We're saying it you know her talent was something you would see at the like the annoyance theater and like oh yeah that is like i don't know like i think they're hosting viewings i think because willow is from denver but now is in chicago and i think um dairy queen shout out to dairy queen who's listening um was telling me that they're hosting together like viewings at the Annoyance in Chicago which I love

which we love that little cute little intersection of like alt comedy and drag but before okay we're already an hour in we have to ask Fran the question oh my gosh we really do and I thought about that earlier and I was like we'll get to it and now we're getting carried away because basically third

culturista did I butcher that and I was like, we'll get to it. And now here we are. We're getting carried away because basically third culturista. Carried away. Echavarria. Did I butcher that? No, no, no. You did it beautifully. You did it beautifully. I was just being shady.

Thank you so much for coming here and destroying the Cafe Bustelo ad reads because yes, they deserve to be destroyed. I went and bought some Cafe Bustelo right after that. The K-Cups. Not a shred of facetiousness in my voice. Girl, nothing but respect. This fall on Bravo.

It's time to turn up. Think you've seen it all? I don't think you've been a good friend to me lately. For friends like that, who needs enemies? You ain't seen nothing yet. Cheers to being Germanic. With the Real Housewives of Potomac. Oh my gosh, can I take this in? It's going to be amazing. New York City. Everyone is a gossip. No one gets a happier life. Salt Lake City. We don't wear costumes. We wear fashion. And below deck sailing out. You broke

the rules and now you're here getting upset. Watch all new seasons on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate, delusional dreamer,

and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality.

I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski.

Guess what, folks? We're teammates again, and we're going to welcome you guys all to Dudes on Dudes. I'm a dude, you're a dude, and Dudes on Dudes is our brand new show. We're going to highlight players, peers, guys that we played against, legends from the past, and we're just going to sit here and talk about them.

And we'll get into the types of dudes. What kind of types of dudes are there, Gronk? We got studs, wizards. We got freaks. Or dudes dude. We got dogs. Dogs. We'll break down their games.

We'll share some insider stories and determine what kind of dude each of these dudes are. Is Randy Moss a stud or a freak? Is Tom Brady a dog or a dude's dude? We're going to find out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999,

a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian Gonzalez. Elian Gonzalez. Elian.

Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation.

Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Fran, what was the culture, now listen, hear me out, that made you say culture was for you? You know, I thought a lot about this. There were a lot of options, as all your guests always say. A lot of horses in the race. Yeah.

I think if I had to pick one, it would be Greek mythology mythology yes very good yeah i i was you know a library kid um i i like hate talking about it at this point because it's like so boring and i talk about it so much in the podcast but like i you know grew up very under very strict baptist parents under a very intense jurisdiction of cultural consumption um which means like i was left out of like most things that kids grew up with culturally um which is like you know what like aversion is kind of predicated on but like i was allowed i had a free pass at the library you know what i mean like my parents would take me there and I could explore any corner I want and of course my gay ass

found Greek mythology and I was like there's some fag shit in here. Let me take notes. You know what I mean? 100%. Absolutely. I mean as a Greek myself I can say first hand the girls were certainly dipping it in to interesting areas.

It's not even that. It's that Greek mythology overall has some of the darkest shit, period. Oh, yeah. It really, it dealt with, I mean, it dealt with, like, so much, like, humanity, but using these avatars of, like, shredded demigods. You know what I mean? Like, that shit is gay.

Now, who were your favorite girls on top of the hill called acropolis um i okay so i have a very vivid memory of like after consuming like every illustrated book about greek mythology that i could get my hands on i migrated bravely over to the adult section and found like books without pictures, which like even now is difficult for me to do, you know, books without pictures. And like, I feel like I remember reading like a passage about different myths and then reading about how Apollo

had a lover named Hyacinth and he was, and I remember reading it, like I was probably like nine or 10 and I remember being like, he? He? Uh-huh. He? Big question mark. He? was and I remember reading it like I was probably like nine or ten and I remember being like he? he? he? big question mark yeah and it was like such an aha moment

because like I I don't know like it was so effortless and it was so like in passing and I think that maybe not so much true now but like at the time like every gay narrative coming out it's like when the gay character enters, the whole narrative has to, like,

come to a screeching halt, and we have to, like, stop and, like, acknowledge that this character is gay and then, like, move on. And, like, with this, it was, like, so seamless. And I think that, like, from there, I just, like, kept craving things that were that. And then also, obviously, like,

Greek mythology is, like, the most homoerotic shit ever. It was the OG, and he happened to be gay. Yeah, exactly. But, he's gay. But, he's blind. But yeah, I feel

like there, I mean, Apollo and Hyde said this basically about, I mean, it's basically kind of like what every Greek myth is about, which is like a god who loves his twink so much that he accidentally kills him with toxic masculinity. It's, you know, a story as old as time. But like, I, you know, they just like had sex all the time. Like, it was at a time that predated like the shame around sex, predated like homosexuality. Oh, they've been fucking in the butt since well before christ greek men used to walk around with little packets of

lube like so that they could fuck at any time little oil sacks i can't remember what the name is but they had these like little oil sacks they would just walk around and just fuck whenever this is actually that's like that actually is like ancient culture like the there would be certain figures in a young boy's life it was almost always a young boy like um and that these that these things i learned focused on you're just about pederasty girl pederasty well there was like a father figure yeah there was like a mother figure and then there was like another father figure who like exclusively fucked the kid yes yeah i mean obviously i'm not trying to like um you know glorify no too too much there's a lot of consent issues not an ideal time for like women or like

you know enslaved people but like it's like like the fact that gods and demigods were faggots like that's that's revelatory and even like like even with like zeus like taking ganymede i remember being obsessed with this zeus and ganymede and zeus like plucking this boy from earth bringing him to olympus so he could be like the cup bearer i'm like see like this is even something that like, like gay men of a certain age or wealth or, or like, or a gay man, gay men of a certain like class do now, like they'll just like pick out a boy and then have them live in their house. This is, this is a current phenomenon. It's crazy that you're saying this because, um, like over a year ago I was commissioned to write an erotica by a big

company that I won't name and they ended up flaking on me but I literally wrote an adaptation of Zeus and Ganymede in the modern day and it was about like a daddy that owns a club and like usurps like a bottle service boy you know what I mean like it gives

that like it's it's it is as i said it gives that it gives you some ganymede but it's timeless this movie is called a star is born yeah i know that timeless yeah that's why they remake it every 30 years yeah but that i mean from there i like i i grew to love Greek mythology. I think I really fell in love with like the, the world building or the world built that is Greek myths. And I think a lot of stories that I love now have those like that intricate like architecture of all these different gods and goddesses that are entwined in some way. And like, I think that was something that I always responded to.

And also I think the Disney's Hercules came out around the time that I was, like, seven or eight. And that was super formative and is also so gay. You know? Who puts a glad in gladiator? Hercules! So good. What a good soundtrack. Yeah.

And it's just, like, I don't know. I mean, obviously, I was horny for Hercules. Like, who wasn't? Like, the quintessential, like, Los Feliz, like, twonk. But, like, I feel like there was like, so I don't know. I, I just,

I loved that as like a, I loved all of the mythology surrounding it. And therefore obviously fell in love with that movie. And yeah, I don't know. It's very formative to like the work I like now. Isn't it a shame that James Woods is one of the best Disney villains as Hades, and yet is like full on cuckoo, crazy, insane person.

Like, oh, God. Hades is so good. Yeah. Hades is great. Love a queen. Love a queenie villain. Queenie villain. I mean, you're going to love Disney.

Yeah, exactly. But, yeah, that's my answer. That was, like, maybe, like, peeling through those and, like, you know, horny young adult fiction in the library and all the different stuff. Checking out like exiting my cultural vacuum and like checking out things that would eventually corrupt me

like a hotel paper by Michelle Branch or Destiny Fulfilled. Like these things that I wasn't allowed to like, you know, consume but could you don't think the Baptist Church would have approved of Destiny Fulfilled

no can you keep up which track do you think upset them the most if you said you will never

find another love like my love you're gonna miss me I fucking love Destiny Fulfilled. And I believe Baptists should listen closer.

You know, when I think about like the Destiny's Child of it all, I do think my, you know, Christian upbringing would have loved Nasty, which is a slut-shaming anthem. And I, you know, must respect it. I mean, we have to remember that Destiny's Child famously were not going to compromise their Christianity. No. Okay? Because their mama taught them compromise their Christianity. No. Okay?

Because their mama taught them better than that. No, their mama taught them better than that. Absolutely. But I'm pretty sure that was like one of the first pieces of like secular music I ever listened to. Like I'd only been listening to like Reliant Kids. So Cater to You really sort of talks to

your formative culture because you're thinking of, you know, the boy servicing. Yeah, Beau and I bonded over this because we both used to be switchfoot heads and then... Yes. Oh my God.

I think all three of us were switchfoot heads, weren't we? You were a switchfoot head? I mean... Only during... Did you move? Yeah, of course. Come on now.

Christian rock. Christian rock, baby. I mean, oh my God, 24. We've talked about 24 right 24 24 i sent it to my i sent the lyrics of that song to my pastor and he was like let's break it down like what do you what like do you know about you know wrestling the angel like what this is what this lyric is in reference to and like he really like i i it blew my mind genuinely to be like wow switchfoot is

the most genius music that's ever been written i truly was like pastor pilled with switchfoot did you have like weird i'm only i'm maybe i'm projecting but did you have like weird relationships with your pastors pastors youth pastors no i didn't, his name was Pastor Paul. He was a lovely man. He was the white pastor at this like all Chinese church in Denver. And, you know, he was just, everyone at my church was great. Like no one was like, no one was like, oh, like a suspicious. Everyone at my church was great. They really were.

That's so gracious. I will say something like, there was this pipeline from, you know, there was this pipeline from like the diaspora Asian pockets in Denver. And in most parts of the country, I would say where you would sort of like, as like a millennial growing up in these places, the only cool place to find cool

asians was at church i will say a youth group at youth group like you would like you would like go to chinese school or korean school japanese school or on sunday but then like the real like everyone there was just like too square or whatever and like parents were always there watching over you but like where it was at was at youth group friday nights at the church it was just the teens playing guitar like doing like youth group shit and it was like kind of it was like the shiny shimmery thing for me growing up i was such like a loser loser in high school that i very relate to like church was like one of the first places that I was like, I belong. Like people like me. Like this is like,

am I even popular here? I wasn't, but like it's, you know, you, you get the, the, the,

the kind of, I don't know. You feel like you belong to something. Yeah. Which God bless, like, so to speak, like God bless that we had that back then.

Yeah. Even though it came in this like someone insidious form. I't know matt what do you what do you laugh matt's chocolate but but what you're hanging on this episode is the coolest people ever are at church god bless i'm saying the coolest people in my life at that time were at church i'm teasing you i know what you're saying it was so true i mean i i literally did not learn how to play the acoustic guitar for any other reason than to be a youth pastor, which was to me the coolest job you could have. Period. Like, there's

nothing else in my imagination that could be cooler. Period. That's rule of culture number 92. There is no cooler job than youth pastor. Period. Can you still play acoustic? there is no cooler job than Youth Pastor period

can you still play acoustic no but I will you know say that the first song I did learn how to play was Good Riddance by Green Day okay Bowen did you ever pick up a guitar in high school and like try to teach yourself how to play nah I was like this ain't for me I did

yeah and how far did you get into it one year for Christmas my mom and dad had gotten me in high school and try to teach yourself how to play? Nah, I was like, this ain't for me. I did. Yeah, and how far did you get into it? One year for Christmas, my mom and dad had gotten me an acoustic guitar. And my mom looked at me and she said, I just figured it was time. And I was like, you're right. I took my acoustic guitar up to my bedroom and I YouTube searched

how to play Taylor Swift Begin Again. Wait, what year was this? 2000. Because Begin Again came out 2012. Right. So this was when I was in college then or maybe just out of college. I mean, learning how to play the acoustic guitar

is something of like a rite of passage, you know, for young white men. Did I say it was high school? I think I asked, did you ever pick up an acoustic. Did I say it was high school? I think I asked did you ever pick up an acoustic guitar in high school? In high school. So it wasn't high school. No, mine was when I was like, because I think it was after I discovered like, you know, the

music in our comedy violin, like whatever. And then I was becoming more musical in my 20s and my mom was like, well, I'm getting him an acoustic guitar. I just could never. That's beautiful. Yeah, me too. Me too. No. Well, I mean, it's never too late

to pick it back up, Matt. No, baby Matt was certainly not like picking acoustic guitar. Definitely not at church. More doing cool stuff like football games. Yeah, yeah.

Doing football. Doing cool stuff. A little bit of, you know, nose drugs. In high school? Fresh off the slopes, you know nose drugs and in high school fresh off the slopes you know

oh god no I'm kidding I'm kidding never in my life I was a feeder kid but I wasn't I was too scared to like partake

in like drug or alcohol use at like cast parties which were frequent oh yeah no people don't realize like the cast parties went in

but I wasn't at them I was like yeah you were you know playing football I was playing football no I no't at them. I was like, oh, shit. Yeah, you were, you know, playing football. I was playing football. No, I went to like, I did go to football parties

where there was a lot of alcohol use, but I didn't meet anyone that like smoked weed or did any drugs until I got to college. Not me, really. It was like, I think my town was like Midwestern enough where it was like just generally looked down upon to like, it was like part of, i think it was in dare culture you know we had a lot of like anti-drug propaganda at that time in high school so god

remember dare do you remember dare what is it uh drugs and alcohol resistance education which literally made drugs worse for kids apparently didn't Didn't it? Or something like that? I think I've seen some sort of association. Yeah, I haven't verified this fact at all. But basically, it was like, you know, why euphoria happened is like kind of how I see it. I just remember we would get like, do you guys remember that? We would get like a sheet of paper

and it would just be, it would say three words. It would say marijuana, cocaine, heroin. And it would be a, it would say three words. It would say marijuana, cocaine, heroin. And it would be a picture of a blunt, a picture of like cocaine, and then like an injectable. And basically what it made us think was like, these are the three drugs. And they're all equally bad. Yeah. Here's what happens to you if you smoke. Your brain turns off forever.

If you do cocaine, you get addicted, and you become crazy. And if you do heroin, you're dead. And all three of these things are equal, equally bad. And then they were like,

and alcohol is also a drug. Yeah. Look, they were right an alcohol is also a drug yeah look they were right they were right it was fear-based education that did not work in our health class every student had to give a presentation on a specific drug and they were group projects actually but the drug i had to give a presentation on was ecstasy and it made me want to do it. Can I tell you mine? Can I tell you mine? Because we did something similar. LSD. And who is dropping acid once every two years?

I actually haven't done it in like three. Well, now's the time. I love LSD. I actually have never done acid. Oh, I think you'd enjoy it. Fran, can we share that we've we've done shrooms together yes that was such a lovely night this was like a couple years ago this is me justin and fran justin we and we just and justin made dinner oh that's so

sweet beautiful dinner and we giggled the stupidest things it was really wonderful yeah but i haven't done acid because i'm kind of scared about what I might realize about it myself. Did either of you have transcendent realizations? Existential crises or anything? I think the first time that we did it, we had

a breakthrough. Yes. But everything... Nothing stuck. Nothing stuck on acid. I'm not a fundamentally different person for having done it. I don't know if that's helpful to hear, but... Nothing stuck. Nothing stuck on acid. Like, I have not, like, I'm not a fundamentally different person for having done it. I don't know if that's, like, helpful to hear,

but, like, you won't realize something that's so deeply upsetting that you will be, like, a scarred version of yourself afterwards. Yeah. Okay, good to know. It did shift things for me, like, emotionally at the time

when I needed it. Like, I remember the first time I ever did it, I really went in with the mission of like, because that's what they tell you, like going with like a mission. And I was like, I'm going to figure out what it is I need emotionally from my ex that I'm not allowing myself to get. Like, I really want to leave this like being over my ex. And then I remember it was really weird. Like it was like a half hour into the trip, literally right away. And I realized while I was drawing this truly stupid picture of a fish that

was a bird, I was like, oh, all I want is for him to always care about me. And I texted him and I was like, I just want to know that you'll always still care. And he's like, I will always care about me. And I texted him and I was like, I just want to know that you'll always still care. And he's like, I will always care about you. And I was like, okay, then I'm good. And I remember I moved on. And then Bowen and I had a moment

that we needed to have. Yes. And that was also important. And then every other time I've done LSD since, it's just been like, it's like a giggle. I love it.

I laugh harder than ever i am kind of looking for realizations that sounds very nice to me you'll get them you'll get them for sure for sure i really wish people weren't like weird and afraid of it well i've been thinking about doing ayahuasca but i'm scared you're like that one makes me nervous. Yeah. But I have like, unfortunately, I'm in so much woo-woo culture that like all my friends are like,

oh my God, I do ayahuasca like once a month. It's so great. And I'm like, I don't know if I need to have like a, you know. Can I ask,

does Chani do it? Oh my God. Well, you know, Chani talks about this in her book. She grew up in an environment where, you know, she was surrounded by a lot of drugs, a lot of alcohol use.

So right now she like is completely moved on from that. Okay, great. But she told me specifically that if I'm going to do ayahuasca, that it's you have to do it at the time that you are ready. You don't just do it to have a fun time. You're right. You're saying, you know, you're going with something of a mission. Of an intention. Yeah, I feel like that's the thing with ayahuasca.

It feels so intense that it can't be this just like, cool boutique liberal thing to do. It's like to go do ayahuasca. You know what I mean? It's like you really have to be sort of like needing it. And I don't need it. And you also have to invest in doing it like somewhat ethically otherwise you're gonna end up with like a white shaman like on

last episode of Salt Lake City um that language was kind of wild but like what was her name Batunda? Uh Bettina I googled it Bettina that's a great name yeah I went to her website

I looked up her resort i love when they were beating the drum and like lisa like the white woman names like whitney heather meredith for them to do like a healing drum line in this season and then last season to have yeah and then like last season was basically like the penultimate episode was like a transformative justice circle like these women are like really want to like

you know have the moment they want to like talk about it but Jen just doesn't possess like any of the anything to do it She's one of the scariest women on television Yeah Maybe I don't really need like that kind of transcendent drug experience to me honestly like when i when i do too much weed

um honestly i i'm texting my ex to asking him to love me so that's like enough for me you know that that's the thing is is i i wonder sometimes like if i'm gonna learn the wrong things from it or like you know that because it also is it is a lot to do with people you're surrounded by yeah say that weed or or we're talking about no yeah yeah yeah i i figured yeah it's it's about the environment who you're doing with it do you did you need like a chaperone or like uh someone to kind of watch over you? We, the first time I did it, I had one and he, and it was very essential that he was there.

When we, when Matt and I did it together, we did not have, oh no, we did have one. We did. It is, I would say the first time you do it, you should have someone who is there to just like guide it, but not in like a shamanic capacity, like someone who's just like either like being DD basically and just being like i'm just making sure we're all alive at the end of this um which as scary than it sounds or not as scary as it sounds um like i think it's just helpful to like have someone who's done it before at the very least yeah everyone's always like um like i'm always whatever everyone's always

like oh no this isn't this kind of drug where you get really horny. It's not. It's not. It's not. Every time I do it, I get so fucking horny. The kind of thing where it's like, it doesn't matter who I'm around. We fuck out. Like, and that's, so I have to sort of be careful.

Like, I don't know. Like, I'm very sensitive to that stuff. And like, it doesn't matter what it is now. I just get so fucking horny on it that I don't want to I'm very sensitive to that stuff and like it doesn't matter what it is now I just get so fucking horny on it that I don't want to be like horned up you know what I mean like and and then like be in that sort of state and be all fucked up and horny you know what I mean I'm just on a baseline horny just like yeah I don't even want to know what happens when it's escalated I that's kind of how I am too like I don't know what's happened to me the other day, you guys.

The other day, I jacked off six times. That is some seventh grade level. That was, I don't know what it was. I think it was like, I had, like,

I was sitting around. I was just like, nothing was going on. I was just like, well, I'm not hooking up with anyone anytime soon. Hold on.

I did that too when I had COVID. Yeah. There was one night where I just, I literally masturbated to town. I did that too when I had COVID. Yeah. There was one night where I just, I literally masturbated six times and I'm sorry to say, readers, by the sixth, nothing was coming out.

Nothing was coming out. Yeah. I don't think, I don't think anything was going to come out for a couple of days. Not even dribbles. Air.

Just air pockets. A dry heave. A dry heave. Like, I thought, I thought, it truly was like, it was like like it was like it was like

when a baby dragon tries to cough fire yes like aww little guy one day you'll get it when you grow up to a big dragon

yeah it's like it's like figment you know figment the Disney creature figment by the way did you hear this

controversy about figment what's this controversy Fran how versed in Disney do you become? I mean, I don't know what Figment is. Let's just say you don't know about the controversies. There was a seven-hour wait at Epcot for a popcorn stand that was selling Figment popcorn. What?

And you don't even know who Figment is. Imagine seven hours worth of people who do know and they decided to spend their day because they want a figment popcorn bucket why is why did it sell out so quickly i think that's just that's just the way disney kind of is i don't like that anymore that might be i don't think so honey worthy but not not on this episode you know i i could poo-poo it but but also, like, I went to Universal Studios for the same time, which I know is not, you know, Disney IP, but

like, I was in the, I didn't think I was going to drink the juice, and then I was in the world, you know, obsessed. Which particular land really struck you? Well, you know. Because we're a Universal family. We're NBC Universal, we're Peacock, we're Universal.c universal we're peacock we're you can say

hogwarts you can say i mean hogwarts was our fave rose and i joked that we were gonna go in and we we we were gonna wear you know groucho marx like disguises so that no one would recognize us in this like kind of transphobic whatever anyways but it was amazing um i will say we got there um early on accident rose was very adamant about being there you know right when the park opened i'm fucking obsessed with rose rose is so like my sister rose gets it spiritual cellular level to get there when the park opens is so my culture well i didn't well yes a culture that honestly I I'm learning in public about I I appreciate you calling me in you're you're more you're more than me yeah because when I arrived I was like you know we arrived and I was like oh my god it's the park isn't even open yet and like Rose and Ash turned

to me they were like um sometimes they open the park 15 minutes early as like a surprise to the guests and I was like how do you and sure enough they opened it like five or ten minutes early and they made this crowd of hundreds of people count down to the opening of it was a euphoric not even on a special day it's just like a Tuesday morning and they're like ten nine eight

alright let's go do Despicable Me it's like okay and I'm not like a wake and bake girl but like I waked and and yeah so when they were counting down i'm like having a euphoric experience i'm like out of a projectile from my body like just like this is the greatest thing that could ever happen to me see i want i want to say like no one has ever really had a good experience if they haven't gone with me but i think because you went with us, you probably killed it.

I would love, love to go to Universal Studios or any Disney park at literally any time. I have a car now. I love just, I will say yes to, that's honestly something about having expendable income as well as a car is I become the target demographic for literally any

product, any theme park, any exactly. When Bowen comes to Anything. Any excursion. Exactly. When Bowen comes to LA next, we will go. Okay. Sounds great. It's decreed. Should I do an Orlando birthday one year?

You are so sick to dangle that in front of me knowing that you're probably not going to do it. You're cruel. I'm not going to do it. You have a really mean streak. I'm going to do it.

You've actually been messing with me from the beginning of the episode. That's not true. I didn't forget about when you said I wasn't as good at vomiting on camera as SJP. I didn't forget about that. Can you at least just admit that she has more experience with that? And so therefore she knows how to control her own trap door, as Fran says? Fine.

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Is Tom Brady a dog or a dudes dude? We're going to find out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, I think that we have sort of stumbled upon the part of the episode of Las Colterizas, which is called I Don't Think So, Honey. Don't you think, Beau?

I think so. I think so. This is where we take one minute to rail against something in culture. Fran is very experienced. Oh, yeah. Very, very. Not a virgin. No.

Not a virgin. Like, not a virgin. The last time I did i don't think see honey i got in trouble i got in trouble a little bit did you did you all see the ramifications of my i don't think so honey by any chance can you break it down for the readers well did someone named and and tortorella i mean i don't have any problem basically it was like um i mean in my i don't think see honey i i dragged the the query fab five for a specific reason it was like um i mean in my i don't think say honey i i dragged the the query fab five for a specific reason it was like right when the reboot was coming out speaking

of reboots and i did call nico tortorella the rachel dolishall of the queer community which was then added to nico's wikipedia page and yes it was added to nico's wikipedia page here am i here i am thinking no as a podcaster i was like no one listens to podcasts i can say this i don't think so sorry and there are so many i was like it'll be fine it was later taken off which means like they you know i just want to you know clarify that i don't want to be gatekeepy with non-binary people. I don't despise Nico Tortorello because they're non-binary. I despise Nico Tortorello because they are a legitimately bad person. And most people in the industry, as someone who worked in community for so long,

find them, you know, bad and annoying. There you go. Now we said it. Thank you for, now we said it. To have Camille Grammer be dragged into this. I had to. I just, once you said, I don't think so, honey, I had a trauma response.

No, I have to say, we forget that people do, in fact, listen to podcasts. It's crazy. I mean, against all odds, we get on here assuming that not a soul is going to hear it. Not me. Not Rose. Not any of the bots. We don't listen to podcasts.

But I do have a topic okay this is matt rogers i don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so honey pussy i don't think so honey pussy i don't think so honey um usage of the word pussy during sex mostly um for example like when you're in the middle of the act and someone says yeah yeah like pound my pussy this to me takes me out of it so pussy it's a boy

pussy or a butt pussy either way I don't think so honey for me and when people sort of say the word, you can't just be like, pussy. It's always pussy.

You know what I mean? It's always got sort of an energy behind it. That's very, I don't think so, honey, to me. 15 seconds. I just think maybe there's something else. Maybe there's, fuck my ass. Maybe there's asshole. You know what I mean?

Maybe something a little bit more palatable. Five seconds. Busty, I don't think it's honey, busty. That's one minute. You're coming in being like, have we considered ass? Have we considered pound my ass?

Just want to offer something. I would rather say say fuck my butt than bussy i mean like bussy to me is just like i don't know like i i feel like we're in a weird place with the word pussy why bussy bussy can i try can i present a theory as to why it's about because i agree with you like i don't let it takes me out of it something about it doesn't sit right so it's a pussy to me is like an internet word yeah yeah and someone tweeted do you do you do you remember this tweet it was something to the effect of like some gay person tweeted i was i was getting fucked by this guy and then he said I'm about to come on period

period I'm about to come on period period that's what that's what pussy during sex I guess it reminds me of is that like it's so jarring to hear like

internet lingo being like in the throat oh my god i'm about to come like period to think to think of you at your most primal when you're like oh yeah on period and like this is like my ovi Coming from my OV right now. Period. Period. OMSG literally coming. It's reminding me of this one time. I like, this is like a few months into quarantine.

This is ages. This is right when we started to not be scared of having sex with people. Right. And I topped this twink who like could like could, like, had told me, luckily, after we had sex, that he bought, like, seven copies of Chromatica to support album sales. And, like, that is unbelievable. This is the best bottom I've ever heard of. It was the same, where I was like,

ooh, I'm, like, this is kind of taking me out of the experience. Yes. Periode. The experience per out of the experience. Yes. Period. The experience period. Yeah. Right.

I don't know. It's just a thing of, you know what happened? It was during my marathon day the other day, my six-time extravaganza. And you were watching a porn video? I was watching a pornographic video on the site OnlyFans.com. You were using a little sex toy and watching Shea Diaz Instagram stories like Miranda. Yeah, I was watching it just like that. And it was the scene where Shea Diaz is kissing Miranda's nipples saying,

I'm really good at sex. And I was like, I have to cum on period. I basically had to cum on period when I saw that. No, it was like I was watching OnlyFans like, you know, sort of getting my life and I found this one site. Is it proper now in the days

like in this currently time, like if you are a huge fan, should I say who it was? Yeah, who was the OnlyFans? His name was Drew James and he's unreal. I think he's incredible. I think I'm in like a very bottomy mood right now and so he was like he's like definitely like sort of like one of those like quiet intense tops and he like makes direct eye contact with the camera when he's fucking and not his partner

which i think is the best i think it's so funny that like his partner is like just looking dead in the eyes his partner might as well be off screen because he is making direct eye contact with the camera, like communicating with you, the viewer. I loved it. So while I'm having this moment with him and sort of, you know, sniffing my poppers and like going to town on myself during my COVID, sorry, coronavirus,

the bottom goes, you're going to make my bussy pop or something my bussy oh fuck my bussy and he's going bussy bussy bussy and I'm just like well you know when you sniff poppers and in the middle of it something throws you off and like then you're just like feel weird and stupid and like

not horny anymore you're like distracted so I'm like I'm like pathetic have my dick in hand COVID positive like stroking corona positive coronavirus positive like now i hear the word bussy and then i like leave my body i look at myself from above and i'm like i'm pathetic and i just it was the word that did it the word really threw me in the gutter emotionally and i was like oh my god and then i like you know you know figment poof came and

then like rolled out of bed and much more theresa judice not a figment i mean i i i the the this porn actor kind of looking directly at camera you gotta give her props for cheating out okay he's so this guy is so fucking hot and also you know what's crazy like the other day i saw one of my favorite only fans people at the grove oh that's amazing and i was like i was like do i go up and say i'm a fan like no it was weird you can't do that with only can you i mean you could yes i feel like i would not i feel like it would destroy my experience because i don't think i need to know a lot of the porn actors that i might subscribe to and only right but I but I relate to like this like coming out like I was watching something recent I was trying to find porns from a specific porn actor and I came across a 4th of July themed one where they were playing ping pong with their dicks not as a joke in earnest trying to hit ping pong balls with their erect penises i think i've seen this okay and then there's another scene where there's like a platter of like hot dogs and buns because it's fourth of july and you know that thing where it's like they're having sex and a

third person enters and the third person is like you know pretends not to notice that they're having sex somehow yeah right well in this one one of the guys had his erect dick in a hot dog bun on this platter of hot dogs and the other guy was squirting ketchup onto his hot dog dick and about to eat it when the third person entered the room and pretended not to notice that this guy's dick was in a hot dog and then like left it was it was performance art i love that i was gonna say that is before that is i love acting my favorite too is like in an only fans like when when you see like a clip of them just before they fuck or just after and they forget to turn off the camera and you hear them like talk like fags and they're like wait you know who i think is underrated emma roberts it's just like no they don't say that literally i mean i i'm i'm exaggerating but like literally

it's like they'll have stopped fucking and then they'll like be like oh yeah that was fucking slay yeah absolutely the house oh my god i'm so happy for melanie linsky like she really deserved this melanie linsky deserves and then they turn the camera off after you just watch them like like truly like get so carnal with each other that you feel you're there and then they're like Melanie Alinsky deserves yeah camera on gaping holes camera off

Jennifer Coolidge all of the awards you know what I mean literally the other day I was watching one and I think it was like they were listening they were watching like the carrie diaries in the background i'm not even kidding you it was like a cw show that was like really bad and like you just see them fucking and it's like usually they have like no music on or like a fuck playlist on but this was like ambient tv noise and it was like i forget

what show it was but it was truly like it was was Rachel Bilson vibes. Actually, one time, and it's the only time I've ever tweeted from my porn alt. One time I saw, I probably shouldn't even say this, but whatever. One time I saw a porn and they were fucking to Linda Ronstadt's cover of Both Sides Now. And I literally, I could not resist. I was like, how, why are you having sex to linda ronstadt's cover of both sides nose i actually it might but it was a song like that i'm pretty sure it was that song anyways what were you about to say about sorry i one of my favorite videos on of.com is of a masseur who likes to put on music during his sessions and he happens to have one of the most gorgeous men ever to live and they end up fucking on this massage table but the music that's

playing off of like a youtube compilation in the background is ed sheeran's greatest heads and it is deeply it is an obstacle that you have to just you just have to like transcend and be like I will I will tolerate this and embrace it actually and enjoy it. Look I can relate I have fucked a guy

that loved EDM and we had to have sex to that look it's a lot you have to I commend you EDM is one thing, though. Like, I feel like, like, it's weird. Like, sometimes when I'm having sex

and, like, my playlist will run out because that's how long I can go. Like, it will go to a song and I will have to stop sex if a song is weird. Like, I'll start laughing.

Oh, yeah. I can't, I can't pretend I do not see slash hear it. You know what I mean? Like, I'm, I'm like, i can't i i can't pretend i do not see slash hear it you know what i mean like i'm i'm like i can't possibly stay in this if fucking you know the like rainbow connection comes on i i mean i i'm not doing it no but it's fair not that it would ruins the ambiance because of course when i'm fucking I listen to Kermit the Frog Rainbow Connection Radio.

Yeah. And then after that, Ed Sheeran. Crank it up. Ed Sheeran. But you know who has a really sexy Rainbow Connection cover? Who?

Unfortunately, Bi-Con, Jason Mraz. Oh, wow. Is Jason Mraz a Bi-Con? He's kind of like, kind of very lightly, in a very classy way.

Yeah. The fedoras. The fedoras. That's bi-culture. And he's kind of like kind of very lightly in a very classy way yeah the fedoras the fedoras that's bi-culture and he's a vegan a raw foodist actually there you go like i think a couple years ago like without much like fanfare he was just kind of like yeah like i've had sex with men and he did it before it was cool i'll say this to, Jason Mraz, the remedy is the experience. Okay? And maybe you and I both should fuck. I'm horny. I'm horny again.

You're horny for Jason Mraz. Jason Mraz, Andrew Garfield, Che. Che. The Holy Trinity. Bowen Yang, it is time for your

I Don't Think So Honey. Do you have something on today? I do. It's a little, I feel very strongly, and I hope you guys agree, but this is how I feel. Okay. About this subject. This is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey.

His time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey, putting Miss Jujubee into another different iteration of RuPaul's Drag Race. Jujubee is in RuPaul's Drag Race UK vs. The World, the sort of international as promised version of like an all-stars-esque show like crossover

that we were going to have. Yeah. It's a stellar lineup. You've got Monique Hart. You've got Jimbo. You've got Lemon. You've got Bag of Chips. You've got Blue Hydrangea,

Cheryl Hole. Jujubee has been through this enough and she has been slighted too many times. I cannot, will not be able to stomach seeing her possibly leaving before top three, top four, whatever. And if she doesn't win, then that's even, that's another like edging

scenario where I'm like, just give her the fucking win so that all of us can celebrate on the community's behalf. The community wants to see Jujubee win. The possibility that she might not is more than I can process at this point.

It needs to be a guaranteed win or else I don't know if I'll be able to watch her fail. And that's one minute. Thoughts on Jujubee's participation in RuPaul's Drag Race UK vs. The World? I have no idea where it's going. Did versus the world. Versus the world. I have no idea why it's called that. Did y'all see Queen of the Universe?

No, I've heard. Joaquin Booster loves it. And I... I've heard great things. I heard Trixie's hilarious on it. I think the judges panel is sublime. I think Leona Lewis, Vanessa Williams, Trixie. And Miss Michelle Visage.

They give every pocket of what you want from a judges panel. None of the singing is good. I don't think, but that's not what the show is about. You know, it's about the judges panel. But Jujubee is a contestant on Queen of the Universe. She's put herself, I mean, I think she probably enjoys it. She enjoys competing in these scenarios but i've got us i can't watch her lose again if that's what we're getting it's it's it's disappointing because she is a winner she is she one of the best to ever do it every

time she has everything it takes to win and it's just like because of another slightly better winner that she might have and it's like it's hard to watch it's painful I can watch her lose again because it means you're gonna watch her you know what I mean like if she's not on television she's not on television

I think she knows the value of appearing and she does that so well every time. So I'm good with it. Also, she signs up for it. Yeah, she does. I know. I'm just, I am too emotionally.

Jujubee was like my first, like season two was my first season. I remember. I was there. I think we used to watch it like at the same house. Well, Matt and I would be like, oh my God, you're Raven. I'm Jjubee like we're besties but like i just all-stars five was very hard i mean shea coulee one of the best contestants ever rightful winner but there was something i had to really mourn about jujubee

losing especially in that season when she was, and I remember when, when they announced Shay as the winner, Jujubee was off social media for like weeks. And you could tell that she did not take it, but she like had to like take some time away from socials and like really like, and I was, and I felt for her.

Ooh, I just, there's, there are a few people in like the media landscape I love more than Jujubee. I guess like for me, it's like if I'm Jujubee and I'm very aware of the drag race fandom, I'm very aware of how the seasons have gone,

I'm going into All Stars knowing I'm not the anointed winner. Shea Coulee was the anointed winner of that season. It felt like Trixie Mattel was the anointed winner of that season. It felt like Trixie Mattel was the anointed winner of that season. In so many ways, Kylie Sonique felt like an anointed winner of that show from the beginning. So it almost feels to me like I'm not watching All Stars and thinking, well, let me really invest in who wins this. It's more about the experience of watching it. Because to me, All Stars and the winning of All Stars

is not Drag Race and the winning of a regular season of Drag Race. Like, Jujubee did not win. Like, and so, and she has not won so many times. That's part of her legacy now. So she,

I don't know, I guess she shouldn't expect to win. Hmm. God, if she did win, it would be very gratifying because it's been so many times she's definitely a fave of mine as well but yeah love jujube but who out of this cast do you think is the anointed winner because doesn't it feel like it should be someone from the uk either jujube or

maybe like bag of chips yeah i love bagga bagga so lost me in her like kind of final moments. She kind of did what Alaska did in All Stars and like she had like such a great kind of like record and then all of a sudden she like spiraled about I think it was her mom or something or and it was she like exhibited such ugly behavior that I was like I don't

want you to win any. I did want Alaska to win that season obviously. It's like a perfect season and she's a perfect winner but she did like spin out and that's a reason why i didn't like that interesting interesting but but we'll see i mean i'll i'll watch it it's premiering in like two weeks like at the same time i mean there's we're we're reaching saturation once again but oh it's oh is it going to be on fridays too are we about to have like a weekly state sanctioned four and a half hours of drag race? Get this. State sanctioned.

There's two state sanctioned things in this country. Violence and drag race. It's February 1st. It's Tuesdays. That's interesting. So February 1st is also when something else premieres. Oh, New Jersey. New season of New Jersey.

Maybe I should catch up. So I know what I'll be watching. I had to. That other drag show. So I get into Housewife seasons better when it's airing. That's how I did Patelman. Yes. Yes.

So maybe I'll do that with Jersey. I'm a binger. I'm a binger, babe. Love that. Love that for you. Fran Tirado. Do you have an I don't think so, honey? It's time. I do that with Jersey. I'm a binger. I'm a binger, babe. Love that. Love that for you. Fran Tirado, do you have an I don't think so, honey? It's time. I do.

I do. Okay. It's hot, hot off my mind. Hot off of Fran's mind. I can't wait to hear this. Matt, you want time? Yes, I do. This is Fran Tirado's I don't think so, honey.

Time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Raya? Okay. now i don't think so honey raya okay i cannot believe i've been duped yet again into downloading this insidious elitist ass pyramid scheme of a dating app okay we do not know listen no one uses this app to meet people okay do not patronize me we come here to validate ourselves for $9.99 a month in the face of tech bro tyranny, okay? And for what? Occasionally matching me

with like a hot guy in Lisbon, Toronto. Okay, the fuck am I supposed to do with that, okay? It has done nothing for my dating life. It has sent me the same 15 Insta-famous people over and over again. And it's like, to have the audacity to say,

we don't have any profiles anymore because we're fostering a community. You should foster some fucking self-respect because you don't even deserve to have the same name as Raya the Dragon, who is a superior Raya in every way. Okay, you are fucking Tinder for class traitors and I don't think so, honey.

You're so right. Honestly, two things. I forgot it costs that much a month and I have't think so honey. Yes. And that's one minute. You're so right. Honestly, two things. I forgot it costs that much a month and I have to delete it. I don't have to delete it. You have to delete it. I'm deleting it. And also, when you scroll

for even 45 seconds and then they're out of people, I lose my mind. And they have 100,000 people on the wait list. Like, I was just reading articles

about this. Like, it's crazy. Bowen Yang was on the wait list like so i was just reading articles about this like it's crazy bo and yang was on the wait list for a really long time and it was unacceptable it was well i did i think like this is my this is my thing with the figment popcorn bucket of it all at disney which is creating artificial scarcity is i don't think so honey to that you know like that's, that is the frustrating thing about Ryan.

And yeah, it's like, why am I, am I really going to like hit hard on like someone from like, uh, Coruna, Spain? Like, I don't like, I don't know what I'm supposed to do with someone who, who does live in Vancouver. Like, it's like, like, what am I, why, why am I making all of this calculus in my head about like who I swipe right on? It's, it's, it's really crazy. am i why why am i making all of this calculus in my head about like who i swipe right on it's it's it's really crazy it's so crazy it's gross it really it i i i mean this is my second time downloading it i feel like totally gaslit i feel like it's like it's just like it's so sexless i don't know anybody who's met it is someone off of like right it's just like, it's so sexless. I don't know anybody who's met someone off of like, right. It's LinkedIn with Dua Lipa songs.

Look what I'm doing right now. Removing up. She's deleting. Well, you have to unsubscribe. You have to get your credit card information out of there. See, and that's how they fucking get you. That's how they get you. That's how they get you.

It is a pyramid. It is multi-level marketing. Because you have to refer each other and then you create the scarcity mentality. I have friends that are structurally hotter than me that have not been accepted to the app yet. It's crazy. I don't understand how it works or how like the moderation works.

I feel like I've like swiped right on like Lil Nas like so many times. And every time I feel like manic and pathetic. And it's like, why do you have you? I know I could be banned probably for talking about celebrities on but I honestly hope I get banned because then I'll be free. No, they want

you. They want us to have this conversation. It's 100%. Exactly. I mean, I was just watching ContraPoint's video on her recommendation and really made me think about this specifically, which is my God. I've already talked

about the Envy video but like that is like all of her themes woven all the things she's talked about over the last several years woven into the same video and it's

a masterpiece it is her masterpiece I can't wait for her to make more but like that is like she really hasn't been on well she does like one

she'll do like one video every six months or one every year but they're all like they're always like two hours long yeah um ugh she's genius natalie okay um this was a really beautiful episode what can we say i mean other than it felt like it felt like if and honestly felt like an episode that we just do together like we almost forgot to ask you the question

we were just shooting the damn shit we were shooting the damn shit we talked about che we talked about housewives spider-man there was cafe with stello accountability which is i think i think that was the most necessary part of this whole up it's the most important conversation we should be having today truly actually and i will lead that conversation next to a conversation about raya for sure this is the thing there's something for everyone okay thank y'all for having me it's been a long time coming we tried to do this in LA

ages ago oh my god yeah well y'all gotta listen to Like A Virgin but I have a feeling you probably already do everyone out there maybe and if you don't if you don't then you should don't, then you should. Okay. I heart siblings.

I heart sistren. Sisters. Sisters. You must listen to Like A Virgin. When are the thoughts coming back? Yeah, we are back. Yeah,

yeah, yeah. We have, you know, a very undedicated cadence to this stream. But yeah, we just recorded a bunch of episodes. So they're coming out on Sundays or Tuesdays. Y'all are very in just like that.

No, I was gonna say y'all are very Curb Your Enthusiasm. So true. Well, honestly, the reason we had to create Like A Virgin is because most of the thoughts don't consume contemporary culture. And I just needed someone to talk to about the thing so but we did talk about Salt Lake City quite a bit. Oh everyone's out of thoughts watch Salt Lake?

No Den doesn't so we still have to break her into it but like you know it was an experience. Well Den was sort of you know the audience surrogate for anyone who hasn't watched. Exactly. I feel like Salt Lake City is sort of the housewives franchise that broke through with like bushwick actually yeah actually yeah and you wouldn't you wouldn't think yes but yes you're right you're right because

the women well i don't know if this has much to do with but but the women are like so i would say it's maybe one of the more stable casts of Housewives franchise because of Whitney and Heather somehow. I also think Meredith, even though she has so fallen from grace is very stable. Yes. You know, I think that there are a lot of,

there's a lot of grounding components to it that I think make it easier to watch or less polarizing, but it's just, it is just took a really good gateway into, into a lot of the other franchises. I believe. And one of the other franchises, I believe. And one of the best, honestly, especially this season.

Especially this season. Now, Fran, before we go, you know that we end every episode with a song. We would like you to choose the song. You would like me to choose the song? Yeah. It can be any song. Any song?

Oh my God. And we'll know it. You will know it. Guaranteed. Guaranteed. Bowen and I are amazing. There were a couple songs that were mentioned

on this episode that we can say. Why don't, will you pick? I honestly, I could never. I could never. It would be too presumptuous.

Your fans would eat me alive if I picked a song. Shirking responsibility? Actually, yeah. Very me. I looked at life from both sides this church this churchy way somehow Bye. Beautiful. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose.

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