Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "All Across America" (w/ Joel Kim Booster)

Episode Date: September 22, 2016

Ding Dong, Mama! In this delicious episode, the Culturistas are joined by Joel Kim Booster (Conan, Billy on the Street) to talk hot cultural moments from all across America! Topics include Joel’s move from Chicago to New York, Girls vs. Looking, Finding Prince Charming, Nick Jonas, and the upcoming episode of RuPaul’s Drag Race. Later, they discuss their high school theater roles and experiences and play their world famous polemical game “I Don’t Think So Honey,” but this time, with a twist.LAS CULTURISTAS HAS A PATREON! For $5/month, you get exclusive access to WEEKLY Patreon-ONLY Las Culturistas content!!https://www.patreon.com/lasculturistasCONNECT W/ LAS CULTURISTAS ON FACEBOOK & TWITTER for the best in "I Don't Think So, Honey" action, updates on live shows, conversations with the Las Culturistas community, and behind-the scenes photos/videos:www.facebook.com/lasculturistastwitter.com/lasculturistasLAS CULTURISTAS IS A FOREVER DOG PODCASThttp://foreverdogproductions.com/fdpn/podcasts/las-culturistas/ Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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before we move on I have to point out something every time whatever might you point here's what I'll point we always say ding dong let's call Teresa's calling you always get the first word in bitch so what you're saying is you want to sideline me right now I'm going to sideline you

because you've encroached on me alright Bowen I'm going to let you have your. I'm going to sideline you because you've encroached on me. All right, Bowen. I'm going to let you have your moment. I'm going to let you have a moment to shine because I think everyone could have that. And as we all know, I have so many. So go ahead, Bowen. Take your space. Well, we've got a great show today. We've got the lovely well, before we introduce our guest, let's just. Yeah, that's I guess why I take the lead is because I really know how to do this. Oh.

Up to the name thing. Oh. I wanted to catch up with you. Like, for example, what we might say about this person is you've seen them at the Just for Laughs Festival in Montreal. You've seen him on Conan. Good. Oh, this is a disaster. He worked on the new show Problematic with Moshe Kasher.

You've seen him writing for Billy on the Street, honey. Honey. he is in the show that we truly love lake homo high which will also be um coming back to the annoyance theater this saturday night september 24th at 10 30 yep yep and um we're so happy we're so happy to have him everyone give a warm ear welcome to joe kim booster joe kim first time caller first time caller what a rocky road to your intro we've been yeah uh it's sort of been tough because to watch this happen on my first watch the breakdown of las coderizas live in front of your eyes let's just do a headspace check i'm I've had a long day.

Have you? Yeah. Well, what have you done today? I know one thing that you did because we did it together. We did it together. We had a rehearsal and then I had a fun little meeting

and then I had to go to the Chinese consulate. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. This is always a stress. This is my second time going and it was as big a disaster as the first. Anyway, I have the wrong paperwork. So I'm just a little addled by that.

So that's where I'm at. What about you guys? Do you need a green card marriage, Beau? I do. I would love to just... You need a Chinese green card, though. Yeah, I'd love to mail her... Oh, that's what the problem is, is you can't get back in.

He can't get into China. I can't get into China, but I would also... How funny. The tables have turned. I would also love just a green card marriage. I would love to accommodate that for someone else. What was your song, Matt? Green card marriage.

Oh, I'm going to get married for a green card because I'm already American. I'm going to get married for a green card, but I'm already American. I don't need a green card card but i'm getting married anyway for one i don't need a card because i'm already american it goes like that bowen you know he messed up you know several parts of the melody there but um this is so crazy this is so crazy um basically i was thinking while you were talking about what one place would I hate to be banned from and it's Universal Studios in Orlando. And one time me and my sister smoked a blonde outside the Hard Rock Hotel and we were very paranoid that they would see us and then never allow us to just get more Long Island by the second that I know you. It's the only place that we vacation.

Oh, Orlando. I've never been. You've never been to Orlando? That's unconscionable. You know, I am we vacation. Oh, boy. I've never been. You've never been? I've never been to Orlando. That's unconscionable. I am not a big theme park boy. Joel. The only Disney I've ever been to is Euro Disney. Oh, that's a farce.

I know. In the wintertime. So it was doubly sad. Oh, God. Well, listen, I'm about to- You enjoy Six Flags. No, I don't. You didn't go.

I didn't go. Joel and I didn't go. I don't enjoy Six Flags. And then I was supposed to go- We had a great day in New Mexico. In LA to Out on the Mountain, which is gay Six Flags. No, I don't. You didn't go. I didn't go. Joel and I didn't go. I don't enjoy Six Flags. And then I was supposed to go in LA to Out on the Mountain, which is gay Six Flags night from 6 to 1 a.m. Out on the Mountain. Yeah. And I didn't go.

Why not? I don't know. I just like, I know I will die on a roller coaster. Yeah. Like I'm fully aware that that is. That's your path. That's how I'm going to go out. And so I'm just like pushing it.

Yes. Away. Well, as someone who also doesn't like roller coasters and also generally doesn't like six flags i do really enjoy disney and and universal studios we had the best time i know but you're like filming bits and shit like that yeah so that's what we would do and if we would if we were to go together yeah i'm gonna go to shanghai disney and guys everyone in the mainland is freaking out they're saying don't go don't go kids are taking shits in the in the everyone in the mainland is freaking out. They're saying, don't go, don't go. Kids are taking shits in the streets. I heard about this, taking shits in the fucking Main Street USA. What is that? Because that's what, in China, like in a lot of the rural areas,

it's just like what you do. Like they sew for little kids like these butt pockets that they can just unbutton in a flap and just like take and like squat in the street and just take a dump on the street. Come on, rural China. That's it. So yeah, Shanghainey is just a literal shit storm where would you joel kim booster never want to be banned from oh god what would break your heart if they said you could never return

never go again um that's like hard i don't like a lot of places um have you been to provincetown oh i guess like fire island if you're banned from fire island if you're banned from chicago which you wouldn't be but no i mean hypothetically hypothetically i love chicago but i here we go but if i were banned at this point it would just be like your last bitch oh you're fired no i like truly chicago is is better in many ways than like any other city in the world is chicago your favorite of the big three um i'm calling them the big the big three literally no one else ever um you know the big three houston chicago no you know You know what my favorite city is? What?

San Francisco. Oh, okay. I prefer San Francisco. But I have never lived there, so it's maybe not a great, maybe I don't really know San Francisco. You haven't had that looking. Yeah, I haven't had that looking experience.

I went to San Francisco on my bit the whole time I was in San Francisco. I was like, where's the looking walking tour? I want to see all the famous locations. And here's the apartment where Jonathan Groff got his asshole licked in the seminal one good episode of this show. Here's the woods where they had the Bacchanal episode. Yeah, the Bacchanal. Oh, God.

Who could forget? The season two opener, honey. The Bacchanal. No, I like the expansiveness of New York a lot more. Here's my thing about Chicago is I love my community in Chicago. My people in Chicago are amazing. That's what makes a city. It's much cleaner and the buses are more tenable than in any other city in the world.

The buses are fucking tenable than in any other city in the world like the buses are like fucking luxury in chicago um but i do find like you can go to chicago specifically in the north side of chicago and walk around and not see a person of color for an hour yeah yeah yeah it is like and it's it's just the segregation of it all which is like i find difficult um hyper segregation is what some sociologists call it because it's so specific to chicago yeah it's so segregated it is very strange i mean i guess that's like it's such a weird thing though because like i like people would be like well that's your fault for living on the north side but if i moved to the south side they'd be like you're gentrifying go away it like, there's no way for me to win in that situation. Um,

but I think I, I just prefer New York. I, as cities go. Um, I don't love Los Angeles. You think, you think it's trash?

No, I don't actually don't think it's trash anymore. Here's the thing. Like I hated Los Angeles when I first went, I only started going to Los Angeles a year, like basically a year ago. It was the first time I ever met. Um,

and it is not an easy city to visit. but now I think I've been this year in 2016 I've been every month except for February I've been in Los Angeles which would be the best one to go still but and so like now that I'm like there a lot more it is like oh okay the city is way easier to live in than new york because you got your people out there now yeah now i have people out there and friends and like i know my spots like the first time i went to la it's just so hard to find like a non-chain to go to like you really i literally spent like four days in the Barnes and Noble, uh, like in the Grove. Uh,

that's where I would go in between meetings. And like, I was just constantly to everyone. I was like, who says LA doesn't have culture. Have you seen the Barnes and Noble at the Grove? Um, but it is weird. Cause it is actually like quite gorgeous.

There's a balcony in the Barnes and Noble at the Grove, uh, that overlooks this like mountains. You feel like you're in Greece and you're standing in fucking Barnes and Noble. That's going to be the first place I go. You got to go to the fucking Barnes. You will love it, Long Island. You will love the Grove.

And look, any nice chain, I still like get wet for Cheesecake Factory. My mom says we're going there. I still get wet for Cheesecake Factory. I do indeed. But my thing is like now I'm there and like I know like the stupid shitty Like coffee shops and like that I can go to

And hang out What's that one coffee shop in Silver Lake That like I ran into three different New York people Who are all writers in LA now And it was just such a weird like I'm bragging and then I saw I saw the guy who plays Jonah and Veep And I was like god this is like

I feel like I don't guy who plays Jonah and Veep. And I was like, God, this is like, I feel like I belong here. Um, it's by Akbar. It's like close. Oh, so that's where like Los Feliz then. It's um, no,

just corrected you. No honey, Akbar is more silver like Echo Park. I have to tell you, I actually, I have no, no vocabulary or knowledge for any of these neighborhoods. I know that Silver Lake and Echo Park are a thing that are close together.

I seriously, I'm panicked. So for listeners who don't know, Bowen and I are going out to Los Angeles. And it's just been revealed to me that I'm going to be out there two weeks prior to Bowen in mid-October. And I'm truly anxious because I just really wanted a friend to be with me every second of the time and I'm like being such a baby about this like I'll go and I'll be fine have friends there I know but you'll make camp friends like yeah very quickly because you're doing you're doing did you say you're doing this CBS diversity show we are doing the CBS diversity showcase the diversity that you hear out here on the podcast is coming to the stage and I'm nervous about it

because i basically i we don't know anyone that's going to be in the thing that we're doing but i'm assuming we'll know like some friendly faces but i'm but i'm really more just nervous because as i was walking here you know we record this podcast very nearby to where bone and i went to college to university and it's like i truly feel like i grew up here and it feels like a college 2.0 type thing where i do feel a little anxious about it but i know it'll be fine i have the same anxiety i was talking to someone i have the same anxieties about this as i did and this sounds very silly about college i was like oh i'm leaving this very familiar place wow you just said the same thing that i know but i'm saying like it's oh my god oh my god we're both feeling the same way about it

and it's not a coincidence. Yeah. Yeah. I just pictured us getting off the plane at LAX together, like with a dream and a cardigan, like two hands in the air, like walking in the club, like fame excess. That would have been fun. You know, I think I felt that way a lot about moving to New York. Yeah.

And I had already been like a fully realized adult for four years in Chicago. And I still felt that way in New York. And I had already been like a fully realized adult for four years in Chicago. And I still felt that way in New York. So why the move to New York just to like start, start your career? Well, here's the thing. So I, so I started doing standup like technically,

I guess five years ago or so. Yeah, technically. But I did not know how to do it right. And I was, so I come from a theater background in Chicago. I was acting, I was writing,

I was producing, I was writing. I was producing. I was doing it all on me. On me. He was getting his plays published on the page. Yeah. A bookshop may have something. A bookshop. With a Joel Kim booster on it.

Samuel French. No, just on Amazon, though. You can find it. Okay. Okay, I'm sorry. Yeah, please get it ready. But no, it's... and i was just like really frustrated at a certain point because i get called in to be a chinese food delivery boy i think like

the in 2012 when i'm when i was in the last years in chicago i got called in five different times across many different mediums uh movies television commercials all of that industrials all of it um and i just like it was like such a master of none situation because i was with the same dudes and i just remember this one guy who i was like yeah but we're just like paying our dues and like you know we play a chinese food delivery boy today and then we get to be stars tomorrow and he was like oh you're an idiot um like he's like i've been doing this for 10 years this is where it starts and ends for us like we get to play chinese food delivery boys or like you know the fucking scientists in the crime lab who explain sperm or like an it guy who gets

to explain deep web to a detective he's like those are the three so did that guy really like give you an epiphany well yeah no i definitely did it was sent me first into spiraling into like an existential crisis yeah and then i was like what do i do and i was working as a writing assistant on a play at the time called five lesbians eating a quiche which has since played off broadway and the snapple theater center i've heard of it actually theater center theater center it sounds familiar to me but anyways uh this comedian beth stelling uh yeah some of you might have heard of it actually Snapple Theater Center Snapple Theater Center It sounds familiar to me But anyways This comedian Beth Stelling

Yeah Some of you might have heard of Was the lead in that play At the time And I remember on a break She was just like You should just do stand up You write

And you perform And like that's Truly like Stand up like half the battle Is just being comfortable On stage And saying nonsense People are

Going to be so mad at me For saying that I don't know I think that Doesn't sound wrong to me. But yeah. And I, so I did stand up like once that summer and then didn't do it again for

another like three months and then didn't do it again for another five months. And then like, so that first year that I did stand up, it was like, I was just bad at it. Cause I was like, still like,

Oh, I'll be a playwright. And like, I was like still trying to, and it's hard because like in comedy you have to hang out and you like have to be fully immersed in the community and this isn't so weird but like i couldn't do that in chicago because all of my friends were in theater and i was like i just like all the event like everything i wanted to do was so centered around like being with my people and it was so hard for me to spend enough time in the comedy community to not feel like an interloper like it was and like my my comedy

career in chicago was so weird because i did not come up in like clubs or doing open mics like i did not know i was supposed to be doing open mics at all um and so every time i did stand up i would do i thought you couldn't rehearse or recycle material. So I just wrote 10 minutes of new material every time I went up, which was a disaster. Um, but I would do things like I opened, uh, this show at Steppenwolf called we three Liza's,

which is, um, a Christmas Carol, but with Liza Minnelli's, uh, Liza of present Liza future Liza of past. That's great. Um,

it seems like Chicago is in this like weird rut where its plays are all i'll have numbers and some gay element it's truly i mean that's why i love chicago you're in a rut chicago you heard it here first you're in a rut you're in a rut baby um bowen just started a feud with the whole city the whole city come at me but no i'd still make long story short i moved to new york principally because i was like i want to do stand-up um so i just need to hit the reset button and go to a city where i can just do stand-up and nobody knows me and it was like very effective because i moved here with like very few friends and i just did open mics and like stand-up comedy bullshit for the first year like

and it was awful and like tiring but here i am like where you are maybe this is maybe this is like wild of me to say but did your friends in chicago that because you were in a more theatrical i guess setting and those were your people were more theatrical people do you feel they took themselves a little bit more seriously than you wanted to no not at all they were goofy and they were like because like the storefront scene in chicago is like so like gritty and like it and like just like down to earth like the it's just like the best place like if i ever were to write another play i would only want it to go up in chicago that's the other thing like um theater in new york sucks oh it really does it's there is i just think there's like a huge gap between like

broadway off broadway and then like some of the like sort of indie theater I've seen in New York has just been really bad just like god awful and whereas in Chicago like it's hard to find bad theater like there's just so much of it

and like you know I did so much storefront which is like you get paid 15 bucks a show and like you know i did so much storefront which is like you get paid 15 bucks a show and like you know it's all new and it's just like i never felt the same casting restraints that i felt on the screen because i was like i played a soldier and a frat guy and like all different like kinds of craziness like in my time i played an autistic accountant on rollerblades that's deep you sink your teeth into that yeah yeah absolutely you go to a favorite place for that so in a way it's like new york was the perfect place for you to

ditch the whole theater back yeah because it's like well you don't you wouldn't even want to be involved well i wouldn't yeah and i wouldn't know i actually don't understand how people do theater in new york i mean most of the people i went to theater school most people i know who are working in theater who live in new york are working out of town like nobody i know is working oh no no i've done i've done one play here and it was the manager i used to have before the one i have now was sending me out on a lot of theatrical things and it was so god awful and i think the reason why and this is not a slight to anybody but like i think the reason why it's kind of not good and why we're not connecting with it is because everyone that's really, a lot of people, most people, this is a generalization. Note that before I say this, but there's a lot of older people writing the theater here, and they're not really in touch with well i think the big well i think it's

just like the barrier to entry in new york is so much higher yeah to work and to like get in like i started a theater company in chicago the first year out of school and it was like easy like not easy it wasn't easy but like there's just like i never felt like oh i had to like pay my dues before like things started to happen for me in that world it's just like there's just like i never felt like oh i had to like pay my dues before like things started to happen for me in that world it's just like everyone's doing their own thing like there's just so many like backyard theaters that actually produce like such legit work that like you it's insane coming out of school it's easier to yeah to be like we're gonna start a you're a little hungry yeah like when we were like we're gonna do our musical sketch comedy

group and that's gonna be the only thing we do right out of college would not have happened no way well that's the other thing is like uh i don't understand how anybody didn't go to school in the city and then comes out of school and then works in the city it seems insane yeah like i wouldn't i would have if i would have moved to new york after college i would have been swallowed i would have i don't i don't know i'd be like not be doing anything in entertainment or at all probably i mean a lot of people that went to school and at nyu with us aren't doing this anymore either it's it's bizarre it's very interesting i i kind of i feel like i was kind of swallowed alive by new york after graduation because moving the movement to brooklyn and this sounds so like this sounds so weak and so dumb but

like i just it traumatized me i was like wait a minute this is like the school ending and then you move into brooklyn me like not not finding a job me pulling my applications from med school out and then me being like i guess i have to temp and i tempt oh my god you are hannah horvath i'm hannah oh my god lena Dunham really did. She has her finger on the fucking pulse of our generation, bitch. She knew what it was to be poor. She knew.

I did like, I still do like girls. I like girls. I know that's a very contentious thing to say these days. The last season was great. The last season was really good. I mean, you can say that girls is great while also acknowledging that Lena Dunham. Says some dumb shit. Says some dumb shit.

You know, a lot of people criticize girls and they're like, oh, they're so awful and Lena doesn't understand that they're awful and I find that to be wrong. I think it's just like no, you are fully supposed to hate these people and be annoyed by them. They're all fully... And in fact I think that is the problem of why

looking didn't work is that looking did not have enough of a handle on when their characters were supposed to be unlikable and when they were supposed to be like 100% time yeah i 100% agree with that i just didn't see anything in the jonathan groff character that i could really relate to like i i guess i understood it but i remember the first episode i watched i was being so basic and i was like oh my god i'm him he's me he's me like what do i do like now i can't write my experience because someone did it oh he's me and then like all of a sudden he was like he was like 31 on the show and he's like wait what's anal my throw dom

who's like maybe the most likable character on that show, doesn't have a personality or a character. His name was Dom. Right. But like literally if you ask a fan of the show to be like, tell me about Dom, the character. And they're like, he wants to open a restaurant and he's best friends with Doris. And that's where it ends. Like there's nothing beyond that. Was he the waiter? Yeah, he got with Scott Bakula, who was my first childhood crush.

Yes, yes, yes. Also, can I tell you like what's so annoying about people with looking? Pretending that Doris was the best character. I'm like, get out of here. You've never seen a character like this before? She's stuck. She's stuck. Hey, I'm the tough talking best friend, all right?

Come on. I'm straight. I'm with these faggots. I can say faggot because I'm who I am. Come on, bitches. Watch Cheers. That's Carla. That's fucking... That's Carlala that's fucking that's carla

shut up it's rhea perlman it's rhea perlman mixed with grace yes mixed with grace and like oh god i feel so shitty like shitting on the show that like is not even on the air anymore and just like i haven't even seen the movie yet um but like the fact that they did not have one single Asian gay character on that show that takes place in San Francisco is outrageous because that's where we are, bitch. Well, they had Andrew Law's character on the show. Who is a gay Asian comedian, who is a brilliant gay Asian comedian,

and they had him play the straight best friend, which is so annoying. And he was in like three episodes. And I thought that he'd be on the show more. I was into their rapport. So crazy to me. It was so bizarre. You're right.

That was really weird. Because go to San Francisco and try and throw a fucking rock without hitting an Asian person. Like, you just can't do it. And like, it's so weird. And that's the thing. Like, I don't want diversity for diversity's sake but if you want to talk about putting a place putting a show in a real setting and having to be grounded then you can't pick san francisco if you want your cast to be lily white then put it in ohio don't put it in san francisco okay put it in columbus let's put looking in columbus also i

remember i remember when looking got canceled there was like a bunch of gays that were like on twitter and Facebook being like, not for nothing, but I don't know why we're cheering this. We just lost a show that was about gay men. It was for us, and it failed, and now they're not going to make shows like it anymore. And it was like, no, because I don't want a gay show on the air just because it's gay and it should succeed because of that. And also, we're allowed to criticize it and critique it and want it to be good yeah here is my thing like with people who like looking and like i kind of see where they're coming from with that because i'm sort of going

through the same thing with finding prince charming which i'll get into okay but i wish i wish we lived in a landscape where looking was it's it's unfair to looking it's actually really unfair to looking that we are all projecting our own wants and needs on this show because it is the it is the only show i wish we lived in a world where they're we're looking could it just exist and we could all ignore it and we'd be fine yeah because there's so many other options for us like because like a lot of people who like looking who hated the criticism would be like well don't watch it and it's like actually though like if i want to see a gay person on screen,

this is the only option for me right now. So I can't not watch it. I wish I could find another option. Right. Also, too, like probably the closest thing that we have to like someone that's going to fill that kind of romantic comedy lead would be Jonathan Groff. Yeah, no.

And I really wanted that show to succeed because I love him. I've spoken about this on the show before. I love Jonathan. And I think he's so fucking talented. And that show had all the right stars in line. Just everything aligned nicely. Lea Michele never cameoed and I will never forgive her for that.

It just sort of was flat for me. I don't think it was aggressively bad. I just think it was flat. And I think because it was the only i just think it was flat and i think because it was the only one like it's fun to like to pile on yeah um but i and i do think that like there is a problem when like we are so loud in our criticism sometimes when it does like it gets a little like we we gotta let gay people exist in television like in ways even sometimes we don't like,

I don't think that we should not criticize, like not criticize, but sometimes it's like this show shouldn't be on like with finding Prince charming. I gotta tell you guys, it's a, not a good show, right?

It's a fun show though. Oh my God. I actually haven't given it even. You gotta watch. It is the silliest. It is the silliest stuff. And it's so transparent. And like, they think they're pulling one over on you, but it's so transparent. It is the silliest. It is the silliest stuff. And it's so transparent. And like,

they think they're pulling one over on you, but it's so transparent. It's like trash, but it's like trash in the same way. The bachelor is trash. It's no different or worse. And like, it is like,

there's this like sort of narrative going on on gay Twitter where like all these gay men are like, I'm homophobic now after watching the show, like, like look at, and it's like, don't, well,

let's just like stop congratulating ourselves for being above watching the show. haha like like look at and it's like don't let's just like stop congratulating ourselves for being above watching this show like we get it like you're better than the people on this show um and like but it's just like oh just enjoy like just for that that kind of thing that kind of thing it's like you can take it or leave it like it's not hbo it's fucking logo it's not offending anybody so i don't think it's damaging the community. Totally. I do have a lot of problems with it. I have a question about it.

Just in terms of like how the game gets played on finding push drumming. And again, I have not watched even a second of it. What's why, what is it about the bachelor that makes them all interested in him and not each other? So that's, that's what it plays with.

I think that is all. And here's, no, it doesn't. Well, I mean, in the first episode, he like was mingling with all the other. Oh that's what it plays with, I think. That is all, and here's, no, it doesn't, actually. Well, I mean, in the first episode, he, like, was mingling with all the other bachelors.

Oh, right. That was a really fun part. That's clever. They didn't reveal who the bachelor was in the first episode. And, like, at a certain point in the episode,

he steps forward, and he's like, actually, I am the bachelor. And they all put their hands on the face of the person they were talking to, like, shut up. That was fun.

But now, like, they are really trying to, like, trying to like push this narrative like they're all so into robber and not into each other and like there's like weird i mean they're just like they're such characters and like it is this is my thing with finding prince charming that is so interesting though is that like there's no there's very little self-awareness of what the gay community is like because here's the thing let's be real um none of those black guys are going to make it There's very little self-awareness of what the gay community is. Because here's the thing. Let's be real. None of those black guys are going to make it to the end.

That's so sad. But meanwhile, the black guys, I know I'm going to drown myself, but I was watching the clips where they introduce themselves, and they were the only ones who seemed sane. Well, totally. And one of them is the hottest guy in the house. And then also they have varying body types on the show which is like i get what they're doing in theory but it's so condescending yeah to it to like not to just be like yeah these guys have just as much of a chance with this beautiful like model like chiseled hard rock body guy

as these other guys like In the second episode, they play a volleyball game to compete to see who goes on a one-on-one date with him. This beautiful, twinkie boy goes on this perfume date with him. It's no more obnoxious than anything that's ever happened on The Bachelor or Bachelorette.

He gets to choose who goes on the next perfume date. What's that? They choose a scent together and then he gets to go back to the house and choose who gets to go on the next one-on-one date with him and of course he picks the last bear guy that's standing he's like i just know that like you haven't had a chance to like come out of your shell yet with robert and i really i think you deserve the date and it's like bitch you are picking the like the least likely competition in this house and sure enough that guy goes home

in that episode because the bachelor spends the entire date talking about another guy with this this like bear dude and it's like and it's like never addressed and it's like I wish if they had like a another layer of like self-awareness about

like yeah aren't gay men like they had like a, like another layer of like self-awareness about like, yeah, aren't gay men like, like so like into bot, like into image and image obsessed and physique in the same, like in the same way that like the bachelor is. Sure. It's just like trying to like shoehorn in like, like, no, that dude is going to go for like a hot porn looking-looking white dude because that's what happens in the real world. And if we could just accept that, I would enjoy the show so much more, even though I hate it. It's such a weird, conflicting emotion while watching the show. How's Lance Bass on it? Super smart, like the RuPaul of the show?

Is he being like, tell me what's going on? I just don't know how many gay celebrities they went through before they landed on Lance Bass. Probably Neil Patrickrick harris wouldn't do oh of course he was like uh no thank you ricky morton was like no matthew boomer was like thank you uh who is or they went to lance bass fucking first maybe they did you know what knowing that they probably fucking did he's bad i mean he's bad he brings nothing to the show poor guy i think he's actually charisma less yeah i think i think there's no and did you know this is a true fact back in the day when instinct was at their height they made like barbies out of instinct like they were like dolls and he was the most popular doll but meanwhile lance bass was the least i mean

i mean yeah it's a low bar base i mean friend of the show guy branham like said at best like lance or no it wasn't even guy random said i can't believe i'm attributing this guy um but no but like somebody said like thank god lance came out as gay because like if he didn't like no one would care he would be actually it might have been guy. Oh, my God. Take this all out. But just say somebody said, because I can't fucking remember. Can I say I was in Universal Studios one time, and I saw Joey Fatone with his wife, and his daughter was on his shoulders, and they were walking through this crowd,

and no one knew it was him but me. And I'm like, this is surreal. Like, we're standing next to one of the biggest pop stars No one knew it was him but me. And I'm like, this is surreal. Like, we're standing next to one of the biggest pop stars of the last two decades. And this is a person that, like, millions and millions and millions of girls, like, screamed for. And gays and boys. Like, and he was just, like, totally existing. And I'm sure he'd rather that. I'm sure he'd rather that. But, I mean, it was just funny. I'm sure he's just like, and I'm sure he'd rather that.

I'm sure he'd rather that. I'm sure he's like Timberlake's money. Well, I mean, you know who really I feel like probably is the most B-I-T-T-E-R is J.C. Chazelle. Oh, J.C. Because he was genuinely talented. And hot. I think he was the hottest one. So incredibly hot.

And his career just didn't go. He was the Kelly to Justin's incredibly hot. And his career just didn't go. He was the Kelly. He was the Kelly to Justin's fiance. Yeah, I guess so. But Kelly Rowland, you could argue, has quite a career. Didn't JC host something, though? He was on America's Next Best Dance Crew. Oh, that's right.

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And I need you to know that and you dance beautiful. Thank you so much. Oh my God, Lil Mama. Pow! Okay, wow. Lil Mama. Lil Mama.

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Lil Mama and JoJo. Oh. And she said, this girl is 13 years old. She changed your life. She should change my life. I often wonder where that girl is. JoJo just had another single come out recently.

Not JoJo, Jasmine. Oh. The other diva. The other diva. Where is Jasmine? Look her up. I think her name was Jasmine Rodriguez. I'm not willing to look up Jasmine Rodriguez.

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this is a girl who's my age who's so famous. Yeah. Why am I not famous? You want to be a doctor at that point uh well at that point i was like oh i just saw the high school production of hello dolly i want to be a musical theater musical theater star sudi green famously has revealed that when she first saw taylor swift she said oh my god it's the new jojo this is years ago it's the new JoJo It's the new JoJo

In every way How many times do you think Faith Hill Took Taylor Swift aside and was like Don't cross over girl It's not gonna go well for you And Taylor was like Thanks Faith Yo she's one that fell right off

Faith Hill There was Faith Hill And then there was Carrie Underwood And then there was Taylor Swift And there's always been Martina McBride. The cockroach of country. Shania. And Shania. And Miranda. Shania famously who was in the first Divas concert ever. Which in hindsight looks just like so outrageous. Like what are you doing there Shania? Let me tell you sometimes

Sudi and I will just get totally stoned and watch the 1997 Divas live wherein the entire crowd is sopping with sweat fanning themselves with their programs because aretha franklin famously said the ac will not go on she's she said this is a night about me the queen of soul and there will be no air conditioning i don't care what anyone says. It's bad for your voice. It's bad for your voice. It drives me right out. Bowen, what sorts of parts did you get in high school? Oh, here we go. Speaking of fucking typecasting, as you were talking about earlier,

I got like the comedic roles, which was fun. But then my scene. Okay, so here's a whole saga for you guys. There was the dance teacher who would come in every year to direct the huge musical show each year. Meanwhile, the drama teacher would direct the regular plays. And she was just no-nonsense, very strict. And I admired that at first. I was like, great, I love her.

I'll just say her name, Miss Wood. I love Miss Wood. She's so, like, she's there to work. She wants to, like like make us better performers. I love her. So freshman year, we do Once Upon a Mattress. And my first audition, like in any kind of setting and like they give you the sheet, like with the form that says, here are the, here are the roles.

Check anything that, check any roles that you will not accept. And then meanwhile, next to each role, there was also like a line for understudy like a box for understudy so i was just like oh well i guess it'd be bad to be an understudy i guess i want to like show that like i want to really be involved so i checked i will not will not accept understudy all the way down the form and then miss wood had to pull like after my audition she she pulled me aside she was like, that was a really good Bowen. Um, okay. So you're a freshman. I go, yep. She goes, uh, just, um, just so you know, um, you know, normally, normally you, you would, you would, and this is your first show. You would sort of have to like open yourself up to like a chorus part or

whatever, and this and this and this. And I just felt so embarrassed. And then she really just, and I apologize profusely like oh my god I'm so sorry I'm so sorry I don't mean to seem like I'm I only want the lead roles and so she sort of carried with her this this image of me where I was just this huge diva who did not accept and then like and then meanwhile

I would diligently I was diligently little did she know she was dead on she nailed you to the wall she didn't know who the fuck she was talking to, that Miss Wood. She clocked you early, bitch. It keeps going, because here's what happens. It followed you year after year. It followed me year after year.

So Freshman Year is Once Upon a Mattress was a chorus member, just put in the work, did a great job. Put in the work. I put in the work. I stacked the mattresses. He really carved out a space for himself planted the seed honey and then sophomore year was crazy free which was jukebox musical of gershwin songs yes i played a cowboy in that you play cowboy so you know why it oh great i'm biting my time

what a hot name yeah i know it's a good play it's a good musical it's pretty solid um and and so i think i got like some small speaking part it It was fun. And junior year was when things were really, there was a huge fallout. We were doing Barnum, which just, what a bullshit musical. And then Barnum. Barnum. And then like I was just really busy with my academic baccalaureate program called the International Baccalaureate Program, which gets into your junior year. Had a lot of, had like a thousand page paper to write every week and for a high schooler that's

like traumatic and so um was really spread thin and then miss wood thought that i wasn't committing enough time to the musical so she asked me to leave the show which i i'm still i still think it's like actually traumatic today I think about that and then it was a really bad falling out like she had this really long conversation she sat me down in her office and was like this I don't see a place what a horrible bitch that's how I feel about her

she's like so full of power in this situation meanwhile she's like if you're not committed to the fucking high school play and not your academics you gotta get out. What the hell? So there's huge falling out. And meanwhile, my choir teacher, Mr. Grant, was always like a champion for me.

Loved the guy still. And then was like, you know what? I think this story will end well for both of you. And so senior year, he really pushed for me to like make amends, which the onus wasn't necessarily on me a fucking 17 year old to go go up to an adult and be like hi um i guess i was i was out of line this way and like it's totally inappropriate so anyway like we made up and like we had a long conversation senior year and then senior year was anything goes and guess what the bitch casts me as my god that's vindictive the chinese yellow face stowaway that is so

vindictive and was there another asian person and there was another asian person who played with me this really sweet girl um i forget her name but she was great and she was just like she did not have any interest in musical theater she was just in the choir she was in the top choir she was otherwise like a really good student and i'd be with me and she was just like yeah i'll do it and was really chill the whole time and like didn't think anything of like this horrific typecast it was your time bitch it was your time it was my principal role and never got it and miss wood and like i read the artist's way and like in that book the author tells you to really think about the people who've traumatized you creatively and i was like first one first person I thought of Miss Wood so yeah that's oh I've never really

shared that with anybody that's great anyway my high school there was nary a one Asian person in my school and that did not stop them from doing Anna I mean the King and I and let me tell you

all my girlfriends that did the play were all in the uncle tom's cabin sequence which was in the show just like doubly layers upon layers like let me tell you and how much eyeliner was used in this production too much like like yellow face doing black face it was insane and also guess what bitch my eyes are huge you tweeted today jill tweeted this today i loved it i said because i'm just tired of i yeah yeah you do have big eyes thank you yeah we also did the whiz oh my god and like literally i slept high school and the superintendent at the time was like you know we just we can't do anything inappropriate we We're not doing grease. He wouldn't allow anything with any sort of sexual references,

but he would allow us to stomp all over any idea of decorum. I think the Wiz is at least a little bit more defensible than the King and I. I guess. It's not as explicit. It is of that culture, but it is not explicitly. There's not as explicit like it is of that culture but it is not explicitly there's an imperialist it exists because it was the hip-hop wizard of oz i mean that was obviously right yeah it's like i don't think in black i'm not defending right of course no but i think like doing the king and i with an all-white cast is like pretty explicitly racist right doing the

with an all-white cast is pretty implicitly racist oh that's good that's good i think in all fairness the the guy that played the king was like filipino so like like some sort of like tread lightly and because you started this out with in all fairness all right i'm just gonna put the brakes on this one that's okay wait because he wasn't white he wasn't white the kid that okay and he i don't know i didn't dig into his racial background because like like the rest of my town we just didn't think about it i remember thinking in the back of my mind like is it weird that we're doing this like i don't know i guess it's better than us doing something with like pussy wagon in a song

you know what i mean like and then the year after i graduated they did do greece because we got a new superintendent but that's long island that's long island it's funny that the superintendent would have such an artistic say yeah the superintendent was like just so you know you are not not not doing anything racy as the musical. That's interesting. Joel, what were your high school? So sophomore year, I went to this like church school that was like basically being homeschooled. Oh, because yes, you were homeschooled.

Yes. But we did a musical. We did Music Man. First ever, first ever musical. Tommy Jealous, bitch. Wait, is that... The second male lead. Oh!

I mean, I guess, no, the young ingenue lead. Oh, good, even better. He's in love with the mayor's daughter. He's the Romeo. Oh, and also that year we did Much Ado About Nothing and I played, like, the old man. That's fine. The dad.

Not terrible. Then in public school, junior year, I was the dad in Bye um then in public school junior year uh i was uh uh the dad and bye-bye birdie oh you get to see the ed sullivan show which is where no fuck ed sullivan kids kids is a great song and i will never forget like that was a formative moment for me doing kids is because i got a fucking standing ovation at the end of kids and And I will, I mean, that was when I was like, Oh my God, I have to do this for the rest of my life. You were like huge.

I'm a star. I was like, Oh my God, I'm a star. And it was really the first moment too, where I was like, I'm not a great singer, but I,

I may not be no singer. I may not be no singer. I may not be no damn seamstress. Girl. But I'm a fierce queen. Always and forever. Yes, exactly. And like like i acted the shit

out of that song you know and uh that was great and then senior year i was also doing this uh program outside of school called only a stage um and it was once like in the chicago suburbs like well known as one of the best like theater training programs. Okay. But then my senior year, it really fell into like just like no one stopped going. Margo was like a very difficult woman. Margo. She's passed away, but she was amazing. She was amazing, but she was like a theater person who like ran a business, which is usually not like the easiest thing.

Yeah, no no that's um so my senior year like uh they were doing little shop of horrors and maybe five guys audition but i got to be seymour because yeah and it was honestly the best the best thing oh good the best thing i didn't do any of the plays i was too scared i was too scared everyone would think or find out that i was gay i didn't do any of the musicals. Wait, really? No, I didn't act at all until I was in college. You could have had a real high school musical moment. I really, I really, I would sit there and I would be jumping out of my skin because I'd want to do it so bad.

And I remember they were all, we did Bye Bye Rudy and they were like, why don't you audition for Conrad? Like you'd be so good. You would have been a great Conrad. And I was just like, no, I don't know. Did you sing in a choir? Didn't sing at all. I can't believe that. I really... Wow. It's all raw, natural talent for me. You missed so much.

I would have loved to have done that. Like I said, it's... And I'm not saying it's harder here than it is everywhere else, but it's really hard on Long Island to step out of a box. It's a small town, Long Island. There was 270 kids in my graduating class. I'm like,

everyone knew each other enough to generalize. You know what I mean? Oh my God. So here's a pro tip from me to everyone listening is look up the Jimmy awards. Um, Jimmy. Yes. I've showed you the high school musical and they take it very seriously.

It's in the Northeast and like they get stars to come out and host it. Zachary Levi hosted the 2016 Jimmy Awards. And it is my go-to gay YouTube party. All right, I'm going to do that tonight. It's pretty good. Oh, yeah. They're great. The girls are outstanding.

So just to describe it, they're all nominated for performance and they put them in these groups. And there like three groups of girls, three groups of boys. And they put them in a lineup and they're like they introduce them all. And they're like Genevieve so and so from this high school as Belle and Beauty and the Beast. And then inevitably, every high school does the same fucking musical. So there's like three bells in the same group and they all sing the same like different cuts of the same song. And it's like all

choreographed and like every girl who's nominated like is connected it's so bizarre and wonderful and every guy like the guys are a real mixed bag and there's like always like two guys that you're like oh you are you broke your knee playing football and you were like i'll just do the musical as a lark and now you've been nominated for a Jimmy award. Oh, that's not, that's, that's not good for kids that age ego though.

Oh my God. To be nominated for a Jimmy. I think Jasmine Sullivan was, did something like that. Another Jasmine? You ever seen? No, Jasmine Sullivan, the singer from the whiz thing.

Oh, I don't even, okay. No, no, no. She's saying the famously like saying, was it?

Am I talking about Jasmine Sullivan? Am I talking about someone else? Famous R and B think it is jasmine sullivan she did like what's that song as long as he needs me where is that from i have no idea but that was beautiful it was really good i didn't sing until the point is 30 don't peak early yeah um that's what who said that who said that don't be successful early oh fucking sar fucking Sarah Paulson just said that Wait so while we're existing in this world of the past Joel we have to ask you What's the culture

That shaped Joel Kim Booster Young Jolie When did you decide that culture was for you? Wow That is a tough question I'm gonna say um i really got keyed into culture at a young age watched a lot of television early on fave shows included power rangers yeah cartoon yes batman the animated adventure living in this living in the animated and the violent yeah

living in the animated and the violent that's that's i think honestly comic books were like the earliest thing that like shaped my like cultural yes comic you've got a depth of knowledge with with with comics i own thousands do you really yeah they're all i didn't know that i don't i'm not as much i don't buy i'm not as like up to date as i once was but you you can toss off like trivia. Oh yeah. Yeah. Okay. Can we talk about Spider-Man the animated series when we were growing up? Oh, I thought it was,

it was great. And it was like a soap opera. It was a soap opera. And then the way Peter Parker was animated, he was so hot. Oh yeah. I mean, aren't they always hot? But like the cartoon,

I'm, this sounds so crazy hentai bullshit, but cartoon Peter, cartoon Peter Parker was the sexiest. When I would masturbate growing up i thought that if i was masturbating to cartoons it wasn't wrong so i did a lot of i did a lot of really good gay logic batman i did a lot of spider-man i did a lot of archie i don't know so i would look for the uh issues in my backlog of archie comics where they're at the beach because

for whatever reason archie was always in a speedo always. And I found that to be very rough. Reggie was the hottest. Reggie was the hottest. And Jughead. I love moose hot in his own way. Moose was, moose was,

yeah. Did you guys ever play, um, the snowboarding video game? Oh my God. I mean, I know of it. I don't know if I used to pull it to,

uh, this character. Huh? I used to pull and tug and jerk and flog myself to this character, Simon. P-S-Y-M-O-N. He was like this ripped shirtless guy on a snowboard, and I would just be tugging and tugging. Google that.

And I would always play as Elise, who wore a high pony. Always, always female characters. You must. always female characters. You must. Always female characters. Except during Mario Kart, I was never Peach, because I have so many problems with Peach. I was always Toad. I love Peach.

Peach is the best acceleration, along with Yoshi. And I always felt very queer. Yeah. Being as Peach. Best friends. I think the reason that I did choose female characters in fighting games in whatever avatar that I could choose was because I felt they were underrepresented.

I felt underrepresented. Yep. Absolutely. You identified with them. Especially in Asian. Well, for me, at least, especially going to Asian households and like, parents are eating dinner. Let's have the kids play video games.

It was just this masculine energy of Asian boys being like, we have to be the boy. I mean, that's not culturally exclusive to us but like yeah like it's rampant in 007 golden i that like first person shooter that was everywhere i always uh played as natalia yeah yeah i was uh zenya zenya you're more of a zenya i'm more than natalia because jill could kill you with a squeeze of a thigh. Starring Famke Janssen. Janssen, sorry. I did not know it was Janssen until this moment. Famke Janssen.

Famke Janssen. She was an early celebrity beard for me as well. Oh. Mine was Alicia Silverstone. I'll do this off the air. Why? She was at SNL with Nick Jonas. I think she and Nick Jonas.

Oh. Who? Never mind. Let's cut this famke jansen i think famke jansen was there like to see nick jonas oh and fuck nick jonas and do not cut this out do not cut okay wait okay never mind we're not cutting this out famke jansen uh was at snl when nick jonas was a musical guest and she was waiting in the stairwell with us for us to go into the musical oh my god my God, I wish I could be in that stairwell. I can't remember this. No, this was when Anna and I went together. Oh, when you guys went. Oh my God, I fucking love Nick Jonas.

So Anna Dresden and I went to SNL, guest of Sue DeGreen. Not a big Jonas. Oh man. Me neither. I love Nick Jonas. But like he was there and Famke Janssen was in the stairwell with us.

Just like two steps in front of us. I mean, I'm sure lots of women are lining up to fucking. Sure. And this is a funny thing about like talking about celebrities that way is because I'm like, the Jonas Brothers, not for me. Meanwhile,

like if any of them were standing in front of me right now, I drop my pants. Yeah, right. Right. A hundred percent. Yeah. Well,

not maybe, not maybe Kevin. I don't even know. I can't tell him. You don't want to fuck Kevin. Who is Kevin? Oh, the older one. He's like the dumpier, older curly hair. Who don't even know. I can't tell. You don't want to fuck Kevin. Who is Kevin? Oh, the older one? He's like the dumpier, older one.

Curly hair? Who honestly is probably fine. He probably looks great. There's these photos of... We'd be lucky to have any of them. We'd be lucky. There's these photos of Nick Jonas playing baseball. Man, oh man.

Wait, this means... He's meant to wear baseball pants. Sure. Some people have a destiny. His is to wear baseball pants sure some people have a destiny his is to wear baseball pants i don't know how he played i don't know how his game is this sort of tangentially brings me to a point i was thinking about this when you were talking about finding prince charming first of all sucks that they were like just for diversity's sake including like different body types and different different uh races but one show one dating show that was really diverse and like truly diverse and like it it made it a better show was i love new york yeah was like the men were all diverse and like it didn't really affect her decision of

who she liked because like second season she liked that that dumpy white guy but anyway that's actually kind of true a flavor of love too okay yeah i mean there was a a much more diverse like sort of set of women and the kinds of women that were i mean both of these shows are like so so problematic outrageous yeah and like like in another reality like i'm not even sure you can call it reality television anymore no um because it's just so out there but oh god god um i somebody said to me yesterday that alissa edwards is as is like the first prolific reality star that we have had since Tiffany. New York. Hollered.

I buy that. Honestly, I do too. I buy that. But do you think we'll see Alyssa with her own reality show? Yes. Yes. I think Logo would be. On it.

Remiss. Remiss. But here's the thing. After the reaction to Alyisa this season is really because like elisa became a thing after her season yeah i've come to find yep she was not the elisa we know on her season she's not self-aware on her season do you know what i just listened to today um michelle and rue uh they interviewed nicole scherzinger oh yeah and it was like fine but their interview with elisa i listened to like two or three times now.

It's so good. She is great. And she, I think there's something about Alyssa Edwards that like even puts her like beyond Alaska to me. A little bit. Like how much. And so let's chat about RuPaul's Drag Race a little bit. And mind you, check out Joel, his reviews on Vulture. Yes. Great recaps. He does a great job recapping and he

has seen the episode of this week i have seen the revenge of the queens and i can't tell you more than just it is i mean you'll be listening to this i'm assuming people will be listening to this after the episodes come out no this will be out tomorrow oh so this will be okay well i mean no spoilers obviously but it is the greatest episode of the show so far oh my god it's like it's really hard to like top the ending of last week's episode with them in the mirror yeah which was iconic yeah just like an incredible way to end the episode and then you're like how are they going to top this and the content of the first three minutes is just so great and like everything you want to

show to be i'm i'm literally thinking about pushing a trip back so i can watch it in a gay bar because i just need to hear the shrieks of gay men throughout the episode because like tomorrow yeah because throughout the episode it's just like so it's so good it's just like such good reality television and like every every moment of it it's like everything you want we're gonna watch it right after yeah um okay should we talk about drag race i just want to make a point and this is this is the nick jonas thing really quickly and this this is what guy brandon said and guy brandon actually did say this um was that uh and he might have cribbed this from someone else like another thought thought leader. But gay men don't want to see someone on stage or on TV unless he's a drag queen or just like a porn star, basically.

You know what? This is really real. where it's like as gay men, like as a group or as like a pack, we are so quick to like hoist the women up. Like we all are in like our Lady Gaga camp or are like, you know, Beyonce camp or Katy Perry. And like, we want to idolize all these people. Ariana Grande nowadays,

it feels like. And that's a little passive aggressive. No, but like, I'm just saying she's kind of gotten to that. Yeah. Yeah. No,

for sure. I love, I love Ariana. Yeah. Deserve it. And it's just funny because like, we don't do that for gay men. Well,

in fact, Elaine says this on stage and he makes a good point that we were so quick to be done with Sam Smith. Well, and I get why Sam Smith is not my favorite person either, but we are forgiving of every other like female pop star. But Sam Smith says one dumb thing at the Oscars and we're like, burn him. Yeah,

that's true. It's true. And also like, would we, would we like these gay men that are on RuPaul's Drag Race as much if they weren't dressing up like women? Yeah. And you know what I mean?

We talk about them like they're women and that's why we love them so much. Like, would we love Justin Johnson as much as Alyssa Edwards I don't know I think so I think we might find out because I think the reality show is going to be Beyond belief I think it's going to be about Justin And his dance studio I don't think we're going to see Alyssa

Edwards which I would love to see because he seems To really care for the kids there are moments Especially in this episode Where they're they're out of drag for a lot of This episode feels like Not a lot of this episode. It feels like not a lot, not the majority, not any more than a regular episode probably. But there are a lot of moments with Alyssa out of drag. And I think you get a good sense of them out of drag too.

And it's like fun. I like Justin. I like Justin Johnson. And you know what I really liked in the episode where, in the last episode where Fifi's kind of coming, or Jeremy is kind of coming for Alyssa Justin saying, you switched it up. And she's like, no, I didn't switch anything up. Let's choose our words wisely. And I was like, absolutely.

Get ready for all of it. Because Nicole Silverberg last step on this podcast said they are building up the edit for an Alyssa versus Fifi blowout. I don't know if that comes to, okay, all right. We'll see. And Logo actually did

something interesting this last week with this episode too. And I wonder if it was to appease Fifi in some way is, I don't know if you noticed this or where you watched this, but they cut out

on the Logo website the deliberation, like the backstage. Yes, they did do that there was and like and because I mean Fifi was being a monster was being pretty bad like just being monstrous backstage and they and like I don't want to talk to anyone I don't need to yeah horrible which was truly like insane and they're not I'll say this was this was something that I realized watching this episode but it's based on comments that she made at the end of last episode where she was talking about Alyssa. And she was like, I was just tired when she was like justifying sending like choosing Alyssa as well, even though she we all forget.

And it's actually in this episode. You keep forgetting that Alaska was actually the one who sent it around. But like she's like saying, like, I was tired of the judges, like allowing her to get away with wearing shit and then and just being like oh but it's alissa so it's fine and it's like bitch weren't you the one who's like we should listen to the judges they're the professionals etc etc etc so it's like you can't have it both ways you can't be like i'm done listening to the judges and of fawning over alissa and also be like, um, we, I have to say, I don't think there's anything wrong with the way that Alyssa was thinking when she made her elimination.

I absolutely would be thinking, okay, throughout the competition, this person has consistently been in the bottom. This person has not, this person has been winning challenges. Um, or,

and so I see it the way i see it and therefore this person is stronger and i'm going to keep them in she made the decision that any reality show judge would absolutely and you also know you know that fifi is just panicked because she knows that she's yeah oh this this this meltdown is bad it's hard to watch oh yeah it really has and this episode is actually like a really great sort of reflection like a metaphor almost for her entire social media presence and mind you i don't know who gets kicked off logo is not kind enough logo is not kind enough to send us the last minute of the episode so i have no idea who gets kicked off until uh tomorrow

morning when i get to call a logo producer. Wow. So what. So in terms of this recap that you're writing. So you would. You can't even write it. No I can't. To be to be completely honest I have a mole in Viacom that I usually ask who they get the full cuts and I ask.

But that mole is currently on vacation. I know I know which mole you're talking about. And I 100 percent. And so she like gives me like a very a succinct like play-by-play and like thank god because like logo would only tell you who gets kicked off last week and if you only knew who got kicked off last week and didn't know about how would you write that whole comprehensive recap you'd have to book an appointment with the therapist. That mole has apologized to me. She's been like, yeah, I'm sorry. And I'm like, no, use it.

Please, I would take full advantage of this. Oh, I literally was trying to find a way to ask Joel in the elevator, so how do I get to see? I mean, what does a boy have to do to get your tapes, Joel? It's no fun, though, when you get to watch it alone without the ending i know it's no fun watching i screamed twice and it's like no fun to shriek when there aren't other games shrieking along with you although i don't love i don't love watching them in a gay bar i do i find you know so i watched almost the entire series leading up to season eight with

a lover um and so like that was my experience like watching the the backlog of seasons that i hadn't seen and then i was like very sad not to be watching with a lover yes i love it but then you watch with us but then i watched at gay bars all of season eight and i would not have like that's the way to watch. It was really fun. I think it really is. Well, communal, like fun experience watching it.

My reality is I watch every episode three or four times. Anyway, I'll probably do one at the gay bar. Henry and I will watch together ones. I'll watch it together. I watch it by myself one time. And then also, I don't know if you guys do this,

but did you go through logo TV and like the videos and watch all the extras? I watched some of the extras. I haven't, I love the extras. And did you see, did you see, um,

so after Fifi had her like explode. So apparently this is some tea. Um, Fifi was hosting a show in Chicago, a show in Chicago at Roscoe's. Yeah. At Roscoe's. And after,

during a commercial break, she got on stage and was like, I just want to say this is bullshit. This edit is out of control. They did not show Alyssa's true critiques. Jeremy Scott was cruel towards Alyssa and did not have anything nice to say about her outfit. In fact, the positive comment that they showed you that Jeremy Scott allegedly said towards Alyssa was said to ginger minge. And he was like,

I swear this is what happened. And so logo put up on the website, Alyssa full critiques, Jeremy Scott. So it was a direct. So what you're saying about them taking out that segment might be right. It was a direct response to something that Fifi set at a nightclub yeah so and also ruse tweets so they're really paying attention and they do care well because she's not going to the reunion which i find very hard to

believe that there is not a single thing in her contract yeah yeah that is not like compelling her to go to that fucking reunion but what would happen would she get sued if she doesn't go yeah which would be a terrible look for a logo like that i've been in that position before where it's like oh what are they gonna do they're gonna like fifi is not enough of a celebrity or a star for them to be able to sue her without it being a terrible look for logo it's like punching down yeah and it's like that would just be playing into her hands because then she could play the victim even more we'll go to her twitter feed and look at her fans. And it is outrageous. It's so wild to me that she has so many defenders and fans and she just does

nothing but retweet them all day. It's like a Trump. And yeah. And it's like, are you watching the same show that I'm watching right now? Because they're all like, yes, queen.

Like you are like, you're such a good hearted person and that shows on the show. And it's like, where? No way. Well, I think people truly want to want to blame the edit but like again like we've said a million times like you can't blame the edit when

the words are coming out of your mouth you're providing the material and it wouldn't fit so seamlessly into the edit if you didn't allow them to have that and also you should know better i think if anything she should be disappointed in herself because she got got again yeah well i think this is the thing with fifi that i think becomes especially clear in this episode is that she is so concerned with with the optics of it that she loses like she's like she loses it entirely like i think she is like the other queens say like she's constantly talking about her edit in while they were filming and i think like her way of trying to come off looking better

actually just didn't work for her at all work in her favor at all it just made her seem like petty and desperate and desperate and i think like they've and like other queens have said it like on the show and online like if she would just own this like no the thing that is the that is i think driving people up a wall is that like she's blaming the edit and trying to play the victim. And it's like, bitch, if you're being a bitch, just be a bitch. And we love Willem. People love Willem. And he was one of the biggest bitches on that show.

Yeah, but it was great. But everyone loved him because he owned it. And it's sort of like you can't. We've forgiven Roxy, who might have been worse. Might have been worse on her season. And I realized halfway through this episode, I was like, I actually think Roxy Who might have been worse Might have been worse on her season And I realized halfway through this episode I was like, I actually think Roxy has redeemed herself She's the only one who's really redeemed

She's the only one who's redeemed She had got her redemption Roxy Andrews redeemed after all Okay Redeemed That's a podcast Roxy Andrews, we're doomed after all. Okay. Redoomed. That's a podcast. Well, I did want to... So the theme of this episode was going to be...

New York. New York versus LA. The first ever debate. Debate. So we're going to do a very special I Don't Think So Honey today. Okay. Debate Debate So Do we have time? We're gonna do a very special I don't think so honey Today

Okay We're gonna choose A United States city Okay It doesn't have to be One of the two That And you've traveled a lot

Doing stand up Only really just this year though Like I Traveled But you've seen Yeah I've seen the country And we're all gonna choose A United States city honey Okay But you've seen the country. And we're all going to choose a United States city, honey.

And we're going to come for it. And we're going to let it know. And everyone there know. I came today wanting to, I don't think so, honey, Milo Yiannopoulos. But maybe that's too heavy. It's way too on the nose. You need to know better. Okay.

I don't think so, honey, you. I don't think so. We're all on the same page about Milo Yana Napolada. Okay. Okay. All right. So also, I'm sorry. Are we supposed to think that he's hot? No.

I think people do think he's hot. That's crazy. Fuck those people. He looks like a fucking Madame Tussauds. Yeah. Well, actually, yeah. His Madame Tussauds. Like a Madame Tussauds that's like half melted

He looks like the Justin Timberlake Madame Tussauds got left out The Kate Gosselin He looks like the Kate Gosselin That's just how white people age They wrinkle they have dry skin Hold on let me make myself a victim right now Like so many white people are lately

Bowen and I Had an interaction with a true fucking idiot. I almost just revealed too much about him. Anyway, basically... What was it about? It was about... You took a screenshot of the alert for the

Chelsea bomber. It was the Chelsea bomber. The Chelsea bomber. I made a point of saying that it was bullshit that they just sent out like a middle eastern scolding you for going too heavy by the way and now we're talking about the chelsea bomber oh sure sure but let's let's just talk about this because this is fun this is so basically yeah new york city fucking blasted it out to all of us on our just the name just the name and said see media for photo and it was like you blasted said the name and said, see media for photo. And it was like, you blasted out the name like Ahmad something. Like, we all, like, you know, the masses are going to think what they're going to think.

Are they going to actually go to the media and look for the picture? I doubt anyone did. It was just going to stoke racism in everyone. It was such bullshit. And also, like, if they had honestly, they caught him minutes later. Like, you know what I mean? They obviously could and did do this themselves. Anyway. So this guy so this guy um was like well they were just trying to

catch the guy like what do you mean yeah he was playing devil's advocate in a way that's just like so gross on the and i was just like well that's the police's job the public isn't the police and then bowen chimed in i chimed in i was like well if you're just giving them a name and nothing else then every brown guy in the tri-state area just doesn't would be a fool to leave the house and like that's awful and he responds um okay and i'm just like shut up and then about 18 hours later he finally chimes back in and goes well what would you have done and i was like um or like what were they supposed to do and i was like well they should have had some kind of communications person like think think ahead on this and be like well maybe this isn't the best idea not a height not a height or anything exactly anything but a name exactly so like it's so funny and so then this guy was like well well you you're not really offering up

solutions and then finally i just like lost my patience and maybe this wasn't the best thing for me to say but i was like oh my god shut And maybe this wasn't the best thing for me to say, but I was like, oh my God, shut up. So today he posted a status where he just got really sulky and was like, wow, I'm getting really exhausted and just downtrodden on how no one, no one I'm arguing with is offering solutions

and all they can do is tell you to shut up. And it was like, oh my God. It's so hard to try to find solutions when the argument on the other side is always just shut up. Yeah's all my argument was and it's like what did you say you were like oh wow like his fragile ego must make him feel so endangered like he must feel really just like subjugated by the man just so stupid like white people like you don't have to chime in on everything my my my fucking favorite thing lately is white people straight white people announcing that they're listening shut up show don't tell so the stuff on social

media it's like what a performance i know and also like another thing that really gets me is it's like um just so you know i'm watching you and you haven't posted a hashtag black lives matter it's like shut up i think that yeah no that is one of my actually biggest pet peeves right now is like people being like if you're posting bits or you're posting this and it's like i think social media is like 10 years old it's 10 years old we are all still figuring it out we are all still and it's like so like individualized and personal the way we use social media. I personally am the person who posts after Orlando, like a big, long... I am famous for posting big, long screens on Facebook.

I read everyone. Oh, I do as well. But some people just don't. People don't use Facebook that way, and that's fine. And I think it's just so weird when we expect people to use social media in the same way when it is like relatively so new and none of us really have like, there is just no standard.

I don't, there's no tact. And that's when you lose your personality and become someone that's just on social media. When you allow it to become so fucking real to you that you're like, I'm personally offended that you're not taking a stand on your social media. And I am watching. And guess what?

You know what? I believe you. I believe that you are sitting on your Facebook waiting for people to. We all have like a thousand friends on Facebook. How can you be like paying attention to everybody? And not that that's the biggest problem in the world right now. But I'm just saying like it's frustrating when you make it feel like that like just i don't know yeah all right let's get to where i don't think so honey city edition

i'm ready to go all right you have an i don't think so honey all right so uh for our listeners and maybe first-time listeners i don't think so honey is the centerpiece of our show it is um 60 seconds to rail against something in culture we have a very special locational edition. And Bowen Yang has his I Don't Think So, Honey. I can see Joel Kim Booster thinking hard about this. I think I'm about to burn some bridges. I'm about to burn some bridges, honey. Well, I don't want anyone to come from me or my

homeland. Okay. Oh, no, don't worry. And Bowen Yang, I Don't Think So, Honey starts now. I Don't Think So, Honey, Austin, Texas. This veneer of faux hipsterism is a farce and I see right through you bitch oh my god I was walking down the streets of Austin Texas

in March just this March walking down this perfectly manicured 60s art or fucking art deco whatever it's hodgepodge of inspirations of it's just perfectly manicured perfectly white just everything is just so like it's just the manicured perfectly white uh just everything is just so like it's just the veneer is cracking honey and listen i was walking down the streets and then this

fucking white bearded dude with tats up his arm like a tat sleeve was on a typewriter typing up poems for a dollar and i was like honey i've seen this i saw this in williamsburg in 2008 i do not care for this ahead of you bitch i'm ahead of you. And look, mama, like, Tortoise Tacos, I went to, I went back to Denver and there was a new fucking Tortoise Tacos,

which was a taco chain in Austin, Texas. Great tacos, but like, it was just so obnoxiously garish on Broadway in Denver and I was like, oh no, like, Austin's even like,

taken over this and like, I don't think so, honey, Austin, Texas, you're fake, I see right through you, that's one minute. Well, that's one minute.

That was Bo and Yang taking down Austin, Texas. If I may add something about Austin, Texas, yes, Austin, Texas, you're fake. I see right through you. That's one minute. That's one minute. That was Bo and Yang taking down Austin, Texas. If I may add something about Austin, Texas. Yes, Austin, Texas, I have been to you once. Yes, Austin, Texas, I did have one or nine or 12 cocktails. Yes, Austin, Texas, I did get into a fight, an argument that almost got physical with a taco truck employee who stole $50 from me. Yes, when I come back, I will find you. Yes, when I come back, I will find you.

Yes, when I come back, I will get my $50 back. Yes, I did cry at the bar. That's huge. And had to be consoled by my friend, Chrissy Shackelford. You really lived in Austin. Oh, yeah. You lived a whole lifetime in Austin. Austin is the true Vegas. No offense to Chrissy Shackelford, because an Austin native, and I do like Austin.

She's not an Austin native. She's from around. Oh, no, no, no. She lived in She moved there after college Yeah I believe she grew up in Dallas Yes Or outside of Dallas

That's true But Austin like I don't know I don't know honey I don't think I don't know honey Huge fan of Chrissy Shackelford And her work on

Four Nights in Orlando Yes Or Two Nights in Miami Why don't you check out Bowen and I's Four Nights in Orlando Two Nights in Miami series To find out

Chrissy Shackelford, the performer, what she's capable of because she plays quite a villain. Like Emmy worthy featured like guest role. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. She is the guest actress. She deserved the Emmy. We're building up a lot of anticipation.

For a short, short, short, short, short film. She is honestly the Connie Britton to your sisters sarah paulson in that like we only see chrissy once in the series and we see chelsea a lot but i honestly prefer prefers connie britain oh connie britain but i feel like she's the gaga of the series where she's sort of the centerpiece of that series a little bit um guys we're building up a lot of anticipation for the next um theme park for park or city soap opera or horror anthology. And we can confidently say that it will probably take place in... What is it going to be?

Three months in Los Angeles? Three months in Los Angeles. Joel, you're going to be in one very soon. It's going to be just an evening in Anaheim. Just an evening in Anaheim. Just an evening in Anaheim. Maybe we'll also go to Valencia, darling. Six Flags Magic Mountain.

Have a night out on the mountain, as Joel said before. i guess i'll go next okay here we go this is my i don't think so honey here we go bowen bring me in i don't think it's a honey mats i don't think it's a honey time starts now i don't think so cincinnati ohio bitch i was in you just last year and there was nothing to do your panera bread closed at eight o'clock your your restaurants closed at eight o'clock i couldn't believe it it was a tuesday evening it's as if you believe that people have dinner at 6 30 and then call it a fucking night and also your hotels horrible and i had stayed in a brand new holiday inn and guess what nary a restaurant for me to order from what am i supposed to do starve youve? You're starving for culture.

I walk down the streets of Cincinnati. I see nothing but industrial buildings. I see nothing. Your baseball team sucks. The Reds. What a name is that? I had to leave the city and go 30 miles outside the city to go to Paramount King's Island theme park to find some entertainment.

Let me tell you something, Cincinnati. I don't think so. You're never going to get a theme song sung by Taylor Swift. You're going to get nothing. Cincinnati, Ohio, you're boring. You're bland. You're not very grand.

That's one minute. Can I just say really quickly about Cincinnati? I agree. I also, before I moved to New York, I managed a call center in Cincinnati. Very long story. From remotely. So I worked for a company called Groupon.

Heard of it. Oh, I've heard of Groupon. And my last job at Groupon was I managed remotely from Chicago call centers in Cincinnati, Virginia, and Austin. Wow, that's legit. Yeah, it was way too much responsibility for a 24-year-old man. And let me tell you, when a 24-year-old gay Asian man walks into a call center in Cincinnati

and starts bossing around all the old white men that run the call center there for the day-to-day, they did not love it. And it was literally election night. It was when Mitt Romney lost, so tensions were already high. Oh, man. But Cincinnati, I will say this for them,ney lost. So tensions were already high. Oh, man. But Cincinnati, I will say this for them. They have a restaurant called Thanksgiving Every Day. Oh.

It is literally what you think it is. It is a fast, casual restaurant where you can get turkey, stuffing, like rolls, all of the Thanksgiving fixings. And it's brilliant. And it's open until three. Everything closed so early there, though. I know. But this guy, this place was opened by a college student.

Oh, that's brilliant. Good for him. The last time I was talking shit about Cincinnati was at Maud, and our director at the time, Ben Weedmarsham, was like, I'm from Cincinnati. Oh, Ben. Ben's the nicest. Sketch 201 teacher, Ben Weedmarsham.

Oh, yeah? I love Ben. Shout out to Ben. He's great. He's very funny. Is that funny or not? He fucking writes some so... Did you just say you'd fuck him?

He's attractive. I don't know. I don't know what I said. Who said that? I ran into him in Perkslope at a coffee shop, and we just had the loveliest conversation. He's a very nice person. I like him very much. Yes.

I like him a lot. And he writes some funny ass shit. He is very funny. I will say in our one-on-one at the end of 201 and i was in a hellacious 201 class in the middle of the afternoon and it was literally all 22 year old boys from long island sorry no problem i understand which oh it was just so bad but like he was great and in our 101 he was like i can i can tell that you're very very funny and good at this i don't know if i always get what you do ben said that yeah and i was like hey you wrote a sketch show about baseball and i liked it but also same like i know that you're a very

funny man he directed and maybe we don't we just don't gel yeah he directed the show where i played ryan murphy oh god and the whole sketch was me just turning turning television shows gayer because that's how that's how you make them good in ryan murphy's road and i remember um just like i'd be doing the sketch and his notes would be like yeah okay that was funny just be like yeah i don't know if we're like gonna change much about this um but i love ben um and what the sketch with dom menzelillo where he played dookie tits oh i didn't see that okay no look up dom menzelillo plays Dookie Tits. Lang and Kingsley is in the video. Katie Ruth's in it for a little bit at the end.

Alex Dixon's in it. Oh, my God. It's so funny. Alex Dixon's really funny. She's great. Okay, all right. It's such a funny video. Joel, I don't think so, honey.

All right. This is Joel's I don't think so honey debut. And it's an anxiety inducing thing. And this is your legacy. Just say I don't think so honey as much as possible. this is your legacy just say i don't think so honey as much as possible yeah here we go i don't think so honey joel kim booster joely go now i don't think so honey st louis not uh st louis missouri bitch i see you i see you so close to chicago you think your proximity and the fact that we share a river makes you as good as us

don't even step you are trash and everyone knows you are trash what are you famous for fried ravioli that's not a food you can't just take another food and fry it and say it's your signature fucking dish you gotta come with a good signature food bitch oh and your signature landmark an arch that you have to pay 24 to get into a rickety elevator to get to the fucking top of the arch. I don't think so, honey. I can go to Chicago and get into a fucking glass floor. Yes, Willis. Willis Tower for way cheaper than that, honey.

I don't think so. Your gay bar, I went to it. It's under a highway. Oh. That's right. Especially good for all you fucking little goblin boys in St louis because i don't think so honey your gay community sucks no i didn't mean that i didn't mean that i didn't mean that st louis's gay community sucks no he doesn't mean they're gay but everything else i mean

totally yes you can own everything else i. I'm very happy with that. I don't think so. That was great. That was wonderful. And also, I learned a lot. How expensive to go to the top of the arch? You know, I just. We got there and it was just us and a bunch of fucking Amish people.

And we turned right around. It's 24 hours. Speaking of the word Willis, me, Zach Willis, and Eric Gerson went to the top of the Freedom Tower a few weeks ago. And it was so cool. It was stunning from the picture. Have you, yeah, the pictures are one thing but the experience is another thing because you, the elevator ride is like a ride

in and of itself and as you ascend, like you can see the creation of the city around you. Like it's as if you start at like year 1500 and then when you get to the top, you're at 2016 and it shows like the rise and fall of the buildings and like they're being created. It was very emotional. And then when you get to the top, like there's a movie and then the movie screen pulls up and there's the view of Manhattan and you're like, whoa.

That's a cool experience. It was. I was happy that I did it. I'm going to do that. Well, great. This has been a great episode of Lost Cultures. This has been a great episode. We've learned a lot about the musical theater past.

Which is actually a great sort of like narrative for every person who dabbles in musical theater. In fact, maybe next week we should do a whole episode about musical theater. Oh, Broadway.

Broadway cast recordings. Waitress, I can't get enough. I think we might have a guest in mind. I have a guest in mind. All right. Well, to be continued. Thanks so, I can't get enough. I think we might have a guest in mind. I have a guest in mind. All right. Well, to be continued. Thanks so much to Joel for joining us. Joel Kim Booster.

I hate Joel Kim. That's your Twitter handle? Yeah. Great. Anything else you want to plug? That's where you can find him. Come on, Joel, plug. Plug a show that's going on this weekend.

Comedy Central's third season of The Meltdown with Jonah and Kumail, which premieres on September 28th. And I believe I'm on the first step. But I'm not sure. But either way, you'll find me on that season when I'm wearing a crop top on TV. Absolutely. You must. And come see us perform Lake Homo High this Saturday.

September 24th. Joel, sadly, will not be in this show. You're not going to be in it? No. And there's a story off cam. Or off cam. Off mic. We're always on cam be in it? No, and there's a story off cam. Or off cam. Off mic. We're always on cam.

All right, guys. Good night. Good night. Wait, last culture recess. Hey, listeners. We love you. We love you. We love you.

Forever. Dog. This has been a Forever Dog production. Executive produced by Joe Cilio, Alex Ramsey, and Brett Boehm. For more podcasts, please visit foreverdogproductions.com. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski. And we are super excited to tell you about our new show, Dudes

on Dudes. We're spilling all the behind-scenes stories, crazy details, and honestly just having a blast talking football. Every week we're discussing our favorite players of all times, from legends to our buddies to current stars. We're finally answering

the age-old question, what kind of dudes are these dudes? We're gonna find out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. I was a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dreamer.

Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba? Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. I'm Cheryl Swoops. And I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby.

And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts

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