Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "And, Honey, The Oscar Goes To..." (w/ Nathaniel Rogers)

Episode Date: January 17, 2018

Your Award Show Authority is here! Matt & Bowen invite Nathaniel Rogers, creator and owner of The Film Experience blog, onto Cultch this week to discuss the best films & performances of the year, Award Show snubs, the wonders of Michelle Pfeiffer, and all the other essential tidbits you'll need to know before Oscar noms are announced on January 24th! Plus, Nathaniel dishes on the Jennifer Lawrence blowback he received during her Winter's Bone award tour, Matt advocates for a Nancy Kerrigan biopic "I, Nancy", and Bowen has absolutely had it with Alexander Payne! And if you're wondering whether these three have an answer to the question, "What Is January Jones Doing?" (just in general), they don't!Check out The Film Experience here, honey! http://thefilmexperience.net/CONNECT W/ LAS CULTURISTAS ON FACEBOOK & TWITTER for the best in "I Don't Think So, Honey" action, updates on live shows, conversations with the Las Culturistas community, and behind-the scenes photos/videos:www.facebook.com/lasculturistas/twitter.com/lasculturistasLAS CULTURISTAS IS A FOREVER DOG PODCASTforeverdogpodcasts.com/las-culturistas Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Being distant. HPJ has just sort of been canonized in this way, and for him to just leave is unconscionable. Okay, well, we'll talk about this later. It's irresponsible. It's irresponsible. It's irresponsible. Because you don't know what we're going to say. We're running amok.

Anyway. Listen. As awards season heats up. Oh, my God. Well, yes. Please keep going. I'm a little, like... What?

What is your status right now? I'm itching to talk about this. Okay. And we're all about to get an education, too. We truly are. Okay, so I're all about to get an education too. We truly are. Okay. So I was just saying as I came in here,

I don't think I've ever been so gagged for the guest because literally like, and what I'm saying is I don't give a fuck about any of what we've had on the show. That's what I'm saying. No, but in addition, I have been on this gentleman's website since for like the past 11 years. And I'm going to date myself by saying, I think the first time I was like, been on this gentleman's website since i since for like the past 11 years and i'm gonna date

myself by saying i think the first time i was like i'm obsessed with this website was when there was full articles and like um props being given to kirsten dunst's performance in eternal sunshine of the spotless minds that's when i knew you were my number one. Oh my God. And you know why I always say Kirsten Dunst makes it look easy? Why? I got that from our guest. Because I was like, she does make it look easy. Especially in that movie. Completely underappreciated across the board for almost everything she's ever done.

And that character is integral to the plot. Huge. And oh my God, Kirsten was so good. And she played high and drunk really well. Remember? Yeah. Almost impossible to do. Makes it look easy.

And I will say, it's rule of culture number what? 14. 70. Oh, 14, 70. 14, 70 is Kirsten makes it look easy. And we talked about this about the beguiled. I mean, I don't really understand

why not in the conversation. I know. It kind of just seems, well, we could talk about this because we literally have the best person to talk about this with. Okay, this is someone

who basically invented Oscar prognostication. Well, I mean, we would say what he says about that, but I love it. I think that's true. I would like to say

he invented it. Or just the modern sort of discourse. He has created this space. For me, yes. Yeah. That's his credit. I'm starting the credits, by the way. by the way and you know yes okay so i want everyone to be logging on especially through the rest of the season and also of the oscar season and of course all year round

i'm on it every day the film experience.net i'm telling you it's the most um in-depth film coverage um i i there's lots of websites out there. You've got your Gold Derby. You've got your Awards Daily for you Oscar gays out there. This, I think, is the website with the most dimension that cares the most for me. Nothing's stuck with me in this way. And I'm a recent convert as Matt.

Yeah, I know. I got you into it. You got me into it, especially this season, this year. And he has the accompanying podcast, the Film Experience podcast. Yeah, so fun. And he will release his upcoming Film Bitch Awards. Huge deal.

So this, actually, I believe that Kirsten Dunst was a gold medalist in the Film Bitch Awards years ago for Eternal Sunshine. And I was like, yes, because no one is paying any attention to Kirsten. Absolutely. And also, the categories are amazing. You have, like, hottest hottie of the year you have uh uh like there's like a 15 or to 20 like best scenes of the year which i can't believe other i can't believe awards don't do get this yeah so there's not only supporting

categories right limited performance categories like someone that comes in and just slays one scene right right right right like you're who are we talking about last week um oh betty betty gabriel betty gabriel get out oh my god she slayed that one scene i can't keep talking about this without him okay so let's introduce our guest nathaniel rogers hello hi nathaniel hello hi it is first of all listen um this is like a little atypical we usually have like new y York area comedians on But I feel like we're here to give everyone an education In terms of how the awards season shakes out And it is our honor and the listener's honor To be listening to someone talk about this at length in depth

And to have Nathaniel here with us So this is our privilege Just so you know I'm very scared Don't be To have to educate everyone No, no, no Okay, you know i'm very scared don't you have to educate everyone no no no okay you know what did you know you have stands did you know you have fans out there that are like really obsessed yes i i've been stopped in movie theaters you have and on the streets of other cities but not

not in new york so much okay okay so listen um i bet that people that see you in movie theaters know that you're cultivating an opinion that is then going to influence the masses, and so they feel very nervous to see you. If I saw you in a movie theater, I think I would just leave you alone. No, they're like, what did you think of that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, see? They want the scoop. They want the scoop.

They want to know what's going to... So listen, are you in the Broadcast Film Critics Association? I am, yeah. So you got to vote for the recent awards. Yes. How are you feeling about how it shook out? Well, I'm always a little nervous about that show because it's one of those things you want to be, like,

proud of it since you're a member, but you're always, like, a little like, oh, I'm sorry to everyone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you have a direct line to it in some ways. Yeah. Yeah, but you don't get to really decide on a lot of like the rules and

right they're constantly changing their categories which is a little embarrassing because consistency is key oscar is the king or the queen right right because it's been the same right so relatively relatively but like you know 90 years now like you have to in order to have that power and that have to you have to be an institution right of course so yeah so i think uh i guess we could say the big winner of the broadcast film critics awards but now they're just called the critics choice awards right okay more mainstream the shape of water shape of water and yeah shape of water and i and the snub of the night was lady bird just across all sectors with nothing but yeah Shape of Water which like I guess

and I think and just reading reading Nathaniel's site reading Film Experience like it's I guess I guess like it's chances are just even higher now to win Best Picture because of this genre thing and it's because it's I don't know. Yeah where is your head at

right now about what the frontrunner is to win Best Picture? Because it feels all over the place, but also we feel like it's kind of centering in on maybe two or three movies. Where do you think it's at right now? Well, it's very confusing right now because it's in this war of the old and the new.

I think at some point someone's going to write a book. Maybe me. But somebody is going to write a book like Mark Harris, who I love, Pictures at a Revolution, which is about 1967, and how the Oscars and the movie culture was shifting that year was like a pinpoint pivotal year. And I think that's going to be written at some point about this time period. I agree.

In the context of Weinstein stuff. Correct? Maybe? Because everything seems to be shifting, not just In the context of like Weinstein stuff and right. Correct. Maybe. Well because everything seems to be shifting not just in the culture of Hollywood hopefully. We don't we don't know

the fallout of that. Yeah. We really don't. But the types of movies that are nominated like absolutely in Moonlight that would not have been a Best Picture winner

10 years before that. And then this year maybe get out. Maybe. I think it really could i think it stands a chance because i think right now what you're seeing with with all the awards bodies that have kind of decided they're all i feel like get out is what you get when you combine all these different things and you get a result you know what i mean i think that across the board everybody

and every that does something in regards to film actors writers directors i think people that work in terms of like behind the scenes and everything like that i think everyone has a respect for get out and now but that makes it confusing because how does a movie win best picture i know that there's something to do with like everyone having it be their favorite movie or listing it as number one on the ballot like it's very complicated it's not a straight vote which it used to be and so that's why it's a little confusing like maybe la la land would have won right last year if it was a straight vote yeah but what happens is you get um points

for being number one and then points for being number two and all that. So if you're a divisive movie now, it's actually harder to win the top prize. Because not every, like Best Actress isn't ranked. Right. It's not ranked. No. It's just like whoever gets the most number of votes. Yep.

But Best Picture is ranked. So, you know, if lots of people hate you even if the most people loved you you're not gonna win that's so interesting i like what's like what's an example of that this year of a divisive movie well that's in the right what do you think uh three billboards three billboards it's true and i think it is the most divisive movie of the year in terms of the awards conversation and you really see a backlash now. I think people, once sites started reporting, well, you know, it's now the frontrunner

after Golden Globes, or that's how it feels, I think people immediately started to feel like, oh, we don't want that to be the frontrunner. Which was sort of the La La Land narrative last year a little bit, right? And it's so interesting. Like, you read up on all of the three billboards backlash, and it's like,. I like, like you read up on all the, all of the three billboards backlash and it's like,

some people are pointing out how Toronto, like just at Toronto, it did so well, but like that just speaks to how like homogenous of a, of a body like that festival is. It's just like, Oh, it's like a bunch of white people who were like, think it's like a feel good.

Like it thinks it's like a nice little racial salve or whatever. You know, you know what I mean? It's like, no, absolutely. That is the criticism. And then it's like a feel good like it thinks it's like a nice little racial salve or whatever you know you know what i mean it's like no absolutely that is the criticism and then it's like oh but then you release that to like a general audience and they're like wait a minute this is weird and stupid and i think that's why i personally am gonna go out on a limb and give get out the edge to win because i do think that people are gonna say fuck it i mean that was my favorite movie yeah i i think if you had if you had to predict now what are we saying now i would maybe say shape of water yeah just just because it's not divisive sure right like even people like me like i don't love it yeah but i definitely don't dislike it right and it would and it it's fine in every ways it doesn't upset me yeah you know i'm not i wouldn't dislike it. And it's fine in every way.

It doesn't upset me. I wouldn't rank it last on a ballot. Right, right, right. It's a crowd pleaser in that way where it's like there's nothing to really hate. Although it hasn't really caught on with the public. If you look at the box office, it's kind of like below Lady Bird. Yeah. Below Three Billboards. billboards right right right um i was

talking i was talking to someone about this and you know what i hate what do you hate this is what i hate about shape of water tell us what you hate they gave octavia just nothing nothing well to be honest with you they never give her much i know but especially in this movie i mean in this film though half of her lines are, Eliza! You know what I mean? I will hate it if she's nominated. Because, I'm sorry, but there's other performances that we're not even talking about.

Like, I will bring up Kirsten again. Like, there's just, it seems like there's other, like, I'm sorry, but Get Out doesn't work without Alison Williams' performance. No, you're right. And I've heard people say she's good in that movie and good in Girls the same way as january jones is good in mad men like fully by accident not at all not at all but i don't think that's true no no no so i just think and i just think like that's such a that's such an insulting thing like that january jones is good in mad men

by accident she is she not which is sort of correct but to to level that on someone else and be like well allison williams is, it's just the January Jones of the year. It's just like, what a fluke. Like that's, that's, yeah. But the thing is, I think that would be such a more exciting nomination than like, I hate to do this, but like Octavia for doing nothing and Mary J for doing nothing. Oh, I haven't seen my bound yet. She does nothing.

Okay. Um, do you agree? She does nothing. Well, I haven't seen My Bound yet. She does nothing. Okay. Do you agree she does nothing? Well, but she does it so resonantly. She does nothing so beautifully. That is, which is January Jones. She certainly looks good in sunglasses and a hat. She does.

She does. And her best scene in the whole movie is when Carey Mulligan's very upset, but when is Carey Mulligan not at the best spring? She's always gotta be in some sort of anguish on like a one She's incensed It's at least on a six

or seven out of ten Sure, sure, sure But they're like clenching and embracing Yeah And Mary J. Blige is perfect in that scene There's all these levels

of like yes, I'm giving you comfort but why do I have to give you comfort? Oh yeah, that's true You know what? It's just surprising. It's like one of those things

at the end of the year where you're like, huh, they've been appearing on every list. Or like, this is something that's a thing. Or like, oh, this person is not

on every list. Similar to that. Like, for example, why Holly Hunter and not Ray Romano? You've just said it by saying their names. I mean, Ray Romano. And there you go, bitch. Ray Romano is their names i mean there you go bitch and there you go but the thing is though you can't take ray romano like ray romano at no point in his life is doing a mute performance and winning an oscar you know

and neither is holly yes she is bitch you didn't see the piano oh i didn't see it you must see the piano i thought you were talking about like uh fucking sally and or something no no honey and also i don't know i'm i'm not i just don't i don't get sally hawkins really i don't think she's got star quality but anyway that's a whole other can of worms okay okay so listen i just think romano actually it's a more versatile performance than holly hunters i think Holly Hunter's performance is great. And I liked it even more the second time I watched The Big Sick. But I was like even more impressed with Ray Romano the second time. I was like it just feels.

Because Holly Hunter's whole thing. Go ahead. But that might be the surprise factor, which is also key in Oscar races. True. Yeah. Like when an actor you're not expecting anything from. Yeah. Like January Jones. Exactly. I mean, if she were to get an Oscar nomination, that would be wild. races true yeah like when an actor you're not expecting anything from yeah like january jones

exactly i mean if she were to get an oscar nomination that would be wild and it would happen if she was really good in a movie because people would be like wow january let me tell you it sure would well she's doing a great job of level setting and of just being like i'm not i'm not going to be good at this what the fuck is she she doing right now, January? I don't know. I have no clue. Do you know? Do you know what January is doing? I don't and I was a huge fan of her on Mad Men. Look, I actually love her too.

I love her on Mad Men too, but once you see her in like X-Men, that X-Men movie, and she plays like whatever, Miss Frost. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're like, this bitch is only like, come on like sure sure sure sure sure sure i mean yeah but mad men she amazing you but also she meant to

give you she definitely and there's also a scene in mad men which i i'm a january jones apologist half the time for this reason do you remember you were a big mad men fan you always covered yes i loved it so much i loved your analysis of madman because madman was very cinematic of course and so famously famously so but there's a scene where um she thinks she's gonna model again and they come over and they're like actually you're not and we're gonna need to take that necklace and she's like oh okay and they take the necklace off her and her eyes just fill with tears i was like she's giving you everything in that scene sure sure and then also i think it was like the finale of the season three and she and don are fighting she's gonna they're about to fight

and she's like i want to scream at you and it was just like yeah you're so uncomfortable expressing yourself and and so such a child that like it just it was such an effort for her to even say the words that she felt. Yeah. You know, maybe she was good. Nathaniel, maybe you're right. And she's amazing on that show. Although I will hold it against her forever.

Yeah. Not Betty Draper. Not. Sure. Not January Jones. But sometimes you hold it against an actor when they're playing the character. When they're playing a monster. Yes. Absolutely. No. January Jones, but sometimes you hold it against an actor when they're playing the character. When they're playing a monster, yes.

Where she dissed Joan Crawford in the show, in the best of everything, saying Joan Crawford wasn't even human, and I was very riled up. And that's all it took. I'm not saying that's all it took. I don't mean to minimize that. I unfortunately hold it against Peggy Olsen that Elizabeth Moss is a Scientologist.

What a nice inversion. Oh, what an interesting... What a nice inversion. Reversal or whatever. No, but I mean, look. I just had my SAG. I voted. And I did something that I would like your take on. I voted without seeing

everything. You say no. This is not good. Lump of coal in your stocking. good lump of coal in your stocking i didn't i'm not seeing three billboards that's i can see it anytime because the screener is sitting there but it's just that kind of movie where i'm like i don't want to watch this but it's it's entertaining i will say i found it entertaining and my first response of walking out of the theater was oh like what a fun way for Martin McDonagh

to do like Coen Brothers drag but then like but then like you think about this you know Sam Rockwell's redemption arc

and you're like oh actually that was kind of fucked up well that's the thing is he's such a muscular writer that he can get away with a lot

until after the fact and you're like yeah wait that's exactly what happened upon And you're like, wait, that's exactly what happened. Right. On examination. You're like,

hold on. Wait, I was really on board for this too. Also shame on me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Um, Oh my God. I feel like we should pull up the prediction index, but maybe not. I mean, I would, we should do that.

I would say, well, I just want to ask you flat out, like it without taking off the prognosticator cap, what, what have you really enjoyed this year? Not to spoil the film bitch awards which are uh forthcoming or your top 10 which you have not released this right right right but can you talk about like this is true okay so i'm feeling so much guilt about that right now i mean but i'm so late that's okay that's okay i will say this whenever you are late on the film bitch awards I get really mad

like whenever like I see a category is not full or like sometimes just the blocks will be like yellow silver and bronze

or whatever I'll be like what is it so like I need to know sure it's called a life I have a life to live as a life

I just unfortunately don't and like need that information life is what happens in between the film bit you're watching. It's true. That's a rule of culture. But what are you liking? I mean, what are you most excited to see get recognition?

Well, this is the happy ending of the year that Lady Bird got so much. Absolutely. Because I wasn't expecting it. Right. And I love the movie. I think it's amazing from start to finish. And I feel like Greta took, not that she needed it from other people,

but 20th Century Women was my favorite movie from last year. Which you did get famously ranked at number one for last year. Which I sort of agree with. I liked it very much. I liked it a little bit more than Moonlight. All of that humanism from that and from Mike Mills' movies and from her performances, you can feel her as an actor within the movie even though she's not in it, which is amazing.

She has a presence. She's really got such a strong POV. I think the scene of the year for me. He's obsessed with the scene. I'm obsessed with this. I just think that nobody has gotten across this coming out, kind of the panic, and especially the kind of the panic, especially the regional,

how you feel in that type of area, then that scene where Lucas Hudges breaks down to Saoirse. I mean, that was, it caught me by such surprise. It's just like, I felt myself rise out of my seat and my eyes fill with tears. I felt more seen by that as a gay person than any

moment of Call Me By Your Name. Wow, big. And I like Call Me By Your Name. And you know what line keeps bouncing around, resounding in my head, echoing in my brain, is Saoirse saying, you're gay. Remember that? The way she says that in that scene? Yeah.

You're gay. I don't know. There's something about that. Yeah. I just think that scene doesn't happen by accident that scene happens because there's an amazing director directing incredible material i think that it would be such a crime and i don't think it'll happen now but if she's to miss out on best director nomination i'm so worried about that you must worry because it's happened so many times but but i feel like because what ended, what, this week?

Two days ago. And I feel like just in that window after the Golden Globes and before the due date, I feel like maybe it got a boost. I agree, but what I'm still nervous about is they don't vote as a monolith.

People forget every year. It's just individual people. You know this It's just individual people. You know this thing that just happened that I just have to talk about because I'm so mad about it. The Mark Wahlberg thing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I wanted to talk about this.

The paid disparity with Michelle Williams. So, you know, he donated his extra salary. Sure, sure, sure. Congrats, Mark. Good job. That's what I said I wanted him to do was exactly what he did, donate it to the fund.

Which is nice, but anyway. It's nice and it's great. I'm sure they could use the money. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also he's getting credit for it when he only did it because he was pressured donate it to the fund. Which is nice, but anyway. It's nice and it's great. I'm sure they could use the money. Yeah, yeah. But also he's getting credit for it when he only did it because he was pressured into it. Exactly. It's getting close. So I'm thinking Mark Wahlberg's ballot, he's not going to be like, hmm, which women can I honor this year?

You know, that's not the way people think individually. We all have our own opinions. opinions and i also was gonna i was thinking like you know post the globes it felt like oh now we're definitely gonna see a lot of um women nominated at the at the oscars like we will see grata but also you know some people might have voted a little early some people aren't waiting until the last day to cast their ballots i mean i didn't wait for to vote for sag and like i should have because i didn't see everything. I just knew who I wanted. Some people might have just known who they wanted and voted already. And they weren't affected by the Oprah speech and Barbara shaming everyone and Natalie Portman dropping the mic.

You know what I mean? They weren't maybe necessarily moved by that because they didn't wait. And they maybe don't read everything online like the rest of us do who devour culture. Exactly. Except for the film experience

they probably read it. They probably read it. They probably read it. Have you, did you ever hear from people, like when you, you interview many actors, I just saw you did an interview

with Jamie Bell. Oh yeah. Who I love so much. Oh yeah, I mean what a dream. What a cutie. What a dream. Is he,

are he and Evan Rachel still together? No. No, he is now with Kate Mara. Oh, okay. I love Kate Mara. Interesting, interesting. You made a face like you don't like Kate Mara.

I have no real opinion on Kate. I never saw House of Cards. I never watched House of Cards or anything. I like Kate, and here's how I know I like Kate, because I was in despair when she, spoiler alert, got fucked up by that subway in House of Cards. Sure, sure, sure. I didn't even watch the show and I felt despair about that. Oh, yeah.

No, it was despairing to watch, especially because it came out of nowhere. This is when House of Cards was at the peak. Right, right, right. It used to be legit good. Right. This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up. Think you've seen it all?

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blowback i ever got was from jennifer lawrence's publicist thank god okay go on okay wow no but this was winter's bone time period oh early before jennifer was even like a thing thing oh yeah definitely and it was about a little caption I put under a photo. Oh, my God, no. Which I'm not even proud of now, but I was just trying to be funny. Which sometimes backfires if you're not a comic. I think you're so funny. Come on, give yourself some credit.

What was the caption? I'm so embarrassed to say now in this year of the women i and so i was i was listing like each woman and like saying like doctor or whatever whatever the the dress spoke to me yes yes yes but it was in tiny little pranks it was the caption and when it came to jennifer's it just said expensive call a girl honestly though that they put her in that red dress for a reason because and and she in that red dress because, and she did the hourglass speak. I mean, she deliberately, she calls it the bathing suit dress. Yes, she was giving you Molly's game. The Cinemax version of Jennifer Lawrence before we even knew who Jennifer Lawrence was.

Yeah, of course. Of course. And also, you would have thought she took herself super seriously at the time. Sure. Which maybe she still does. And so her publicist. They called me and said, I think that's a misogynistic thing to say,

which hurt my feelings, of course, because I love women. Yeah, yeah, you are an actrosexual. Yes. Yes. But also, that's on them for putting stigma on sex work. So...

There you go, bitch. As I was going to say, you didn't even ask me if I thought call girls were awesome or not. Yeah, yeah. Call girl. Honestly, I hope you typed that right back hope you said i can feel from you that it was definitely like i'm so deeply sorry but i hope you had said well just so you know i've met some call girls who earn their millions and go on to become philanthropists And also it shouldn't be illegal. Exactly.

There's no stigma. No stigma. Wow. But I will say most of the time when I hear from people, it's positive. Good. Great. And I want to say this out to any actor, working actor out there. We are listening too.

It's amazing when someone writes you to thank you for something you wrote. Yes. When it's happened to me, it's usually a non-famous person okay but like i'll be shouting someone out this is an example it didn't happen but uh like the type of performance exactly like you brought up early betty graybill yeah and get out yes so when i see a performance like that that's amazing and no people don't know their name i always make sure to mention the actor's name that's great that's awesome and sometimes you hear back. Every once in a while. Well, I will say

this. And I talked about this on the last episode, but I watched Get Out again. And isn't it so much fun the second time? Fantastic. I showed it to my parents too, and my dad really liked it. My mom was falling asleep. But she falls asleep for everything. But my dad really liked it, and I knew

he would. And I was watching it again. Just those performances are impossible to give. It's such an ask of an actor to do that. For me, it's just so disappointing. And you talk about this when the SAG nominations come out, when they don't give a nomination and not everyone. For someone who shares a title card. For someone who shares a title card.

Shares the bill. So for everyone out there, that's like saying, you know, saying you know just to say like with this movie it's like of course you know they list all the actors and that it says and katherine keener and then every person that they haven't listed like the first seven names has to share a title card gabriel like those those folks and these actors little rel and betty gabriel two you know performances that pivot the film don't get to share in that ensemble nomination what do you think is with that and will it change like and what do you think is going on in the heads of people if they know this is true and then put put them on a title cover three other people what is it oh that's

why i've been such a crusader about this every year. I write about this because it makes me so angry. Yes. And I interviewed, my brain's, Corey Stoll. Corey Stoll. Oh, Corey Stoll. Fabulous. Who was so amazing in Midnight in Paris, that Woody Allen movie. And I think his performance is a prime example of why they even got the SAG ensemble nomination.

And he was on the second. With Woody Allen movies, it works different because everybody's listed together. Right. But if it's a big cast, they get a second page and the second page is not listed. So SAG has all these rules about it and all of the rules suck. They are. They do suck. Also because when Orange is the New Black wins, you see 100 girls walk up on the stage.

Meanwhile, Get Out, they have an ensemble of, what, 12? And you're only going to see seven people. Sure. You know what I mean? It's crazy. They'll probably bring them up on stage, I'm guessing. I would imagine, yes. But they still don't actually get the actual statue.

It's just stupid. Unless they pay $150 or something, maybe. I think that's how Emmys work sometimes. Well, literally, if you win an Emmy, you do have to pay for it right right which i think actually yeah i'm almost positive this is a thing across the board any hardware that you win at all you pay for and you pay to get it engraved and everything like that you are an oscar winner in that you won the oscar but to actually take it home even the biggest movie stars you have to pay like a couple hundred bucks to have it like engraved and everything it's like when you

get a class ring you know what I mean like it's $400 and you're like god I have to get a class ring I mean it's a class ring and then you wear it exactly one time and I just want everyone to know that I never bought into just that class ring bullshit so there's some people who just

I did so anyway um oh yeah but i i agree and and i feel like sag does that weird thing where it's like you're only voting from like this already curated pool of nominees it's not like right like isn't well there's a nominating committee the nominating they choose a couple random thousand people or whatever right and then they decide do they do like the sliding scale? Like how do they? No, I think it's a straight vote for them. And then based on what they've decided, then everybody votes.

Sure, sure, sure. Got to tell you, it was so hard to vote for the television awards. So in Critics' Choice Awards, did you also vote for the TV stuff? I don't actually. Oh. They originally had two separate awards bodies, and then they combined them, and they're following the Golden Globes model,

so now it's like Critics' Choice Movie and Television Awards, but there's actually two separate bodies. There's the Broadcast Film Critics Association and the Broadcast Television Journalists Association. I see, I see. So without being... Actually, be as shady as you want. What did you think of their television selections?

Well, they were just rubber stamping the Emmy and Globe choices. They truly were. So who won again? But I'm okay with rubber stamping if it means Nicole Kidman, and Alexander Skarsgård, all those people. You know, famously, I always said, ballot in my hand, gun to my head, I'll vote for Reese Witherspoon. I did, and I did vote for Nicole.

Wow, for SAG? Yeah, I just thought about, I'll vote for Reese Witherspoon. I did, and I did vote for Nicole. Wow, for Sag? Yeah, I just thought about her shivering on the ground. I thought about her doing those scenes. That must have been so hard. I don't know. That, to me, is real achievement. And also the conversation it started. Of course, Big Little Lies started as a whole,

but it was really that performance that everyone was talking about at the end. And I thought to the place she had to go, I really respected that. As an actor, I thought that would be really challenging for me to do, whereas Reese, I think is just giving you Reese, A plus Reese Witherspoon

performance, which is enough for me usually. It's enough for you for Reese to shout, what did she say to that crossing guard? I've been here longer. You haven't. You're new here. I'm not. Yeah, that's the line. It's so good. She's great

in that. Even though you know I'm a major Nicole Kidman fan. Yes, yes, you are, which I appreciate. But I feel for Reese a little bit every time because that is one of her very best performances. Absolutely. But you know what?

But she's got that Oscar. She's fine. They all do. She's got the Oscar, but you know. I do think, I do want to keep going on Nathaniel's list of his favorite movies of this year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so.

Not necessarily his top 10 because that's coming. Yeah, but talk to us. Like what's in your heart you're passionate about this year? Well, we already said Lady Bird, Get Out. Yeah, absolutely. I'm a huge fan of the French movie BPM.

Which I missed when it was out in the city. I haven't gotten any screeners just because. Yeah, we were told by our friend that it was great. And somehow, it did not really win big at Cannes. But Pedro Almodovar, through the grapevine,

I've heard that he wanted that to win. members of his jury at Cannes were all about the square the Swedish Oscars so maybe there was a little argument who knows I love it behind the scenes Almodovar argument no so BPM is actually not could not not in in question for it's already been kicked out actually not in question for foreign language film? It's already been kicked out. Why? Because, you know, for foreign language film, they narrow it down to nine before it becomes the five nominees.

So it wasn't even in the top nine for people. Which upset me greatly. Yeah. Because it's amazing. I hear there's, like, such a truthfully depicted sex scene. For some reason, I was just reading about this and I was like oh I have to go see this not because it's like smutty but not because I have any of my own smutty thoughts but just because it's like oh I

I need to see that yeah I mean we were told that it was great so also isn't isn't first they first they kill my father that Angelina Jolie movie that's also not also fell off the so interesting wow there's always drama which we'll never hear about for that category because they have executive committees they have nominating committees how interesting oh my god oh my god okay so what what is the most bullshit esoteric thing about uh the academy like in your opinion just having followed this all these years, what would you say is your most, is your biggest gripe?

What's the qualm? Yeah, what's the biggest qualm? There's so many. I know. It's a lot of bullshit. Come on. But one of the qualms is that you don't have to, sorry, you don't have to see the things before voting.

Of course. Look, I get it. No, read me the filth for it. I mean, honestly, I deserve it. Irresponsible. So that's one of the problems. Another one is that, like, the consistency. You know, I'm a big on consistency.

You have to be the same every year so that people can value you as a tradition. And I don't understand why makeup and hairstylists are so disrespected. They only get three nominees and everybody else gets five. You're right. It's so wild. Also, sometimes they do that with original song too. They'll just decide. Not anymore, but they did.

Yeah, they did for a little while there. What's it at now? Does it get back up to five? Okay, great. It's five. But then sometimes you can't even think of five songs from movies. It's getting so weird. It's not like back in the day where My Heart Will Go On

was also a mainstream hit. Right, right, right. I mean, now it's like I looked at the list of potential nominees and it was like the Taylor Swift song from Fifty Shades Darker. Oh, sure, right, right. You know what I mean? Now it's like, I looked at the list of potential nominees and it was like the Taylor Swift song from Fifty Shades Darker. Oh, sure, sure, sure. And I was like,

no thanks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Might mean she's doing an Oscar. She might become an Oscar nominee, bitch. Like, I would say, no thanks. Yeah, sure, sure, sure.

But when Sam Smith won an Oscar, I gave up on that category forever, actually. Wow. That was traumatic. Traumatic! Especially since it followed that, I gave up on that category forever, actually. Wow. That was traumatic. Traumatic! Especially since it followed that, I don't want to throw shade because I'm not a singer,

but he was off-key the whole performance, and then he won an Oscar. It was rough. And for him to win over Gaga. For him to win over Gaga after literally their fists are in the air. And she brings out all these campus assault victims. Campus rape assault, sexual assault victims. You're like, what a sexual assault victims you're like what a moment

like what a it was also a much better song so much better and also Diane Warren Diane Warren who is overdue

right never won an Oscar never won never and she's in like seven eight nominations many

many and also the writer of so many classic songs from films but fucking Sam Smith and then just saying that he was the first fucking winner. Oh my God. What a fucking horrible- The first gay man to win an Oscar.

Yeah, yeah. That is so funny. What a perfect shitstorm of bullshit. I don't know. I think because that happened, they read the wrong name of the Best Picture winner. Like, karmically, the whole universe was thrown off, and nothing good could happen from that point on. happened they read the wrong name of the best picture winner like the carnage universe was thrown off and nothing good could happen but it was a butterfly effect from that I do think so Wow Wow but for me it's like 10 tell me tell me

some insight about this because I think it's getting better but I think the biggest bullshit thing about the Academy is like the actual makeup of the Academy being so one thing it's so white and so male and so straight but they've they've actually like those initiatives they set in place they've really been changing oh that's right that's good so they like the it's expanded already from like 6 000 to i think 9 000 members oh wow all in the past like few years wow and when you see the list there's still like a lot of you know white men right brought into the academy every year but there's it's like a much much larger percentages

and the balance is much different in the new members yeah i did notice that there seemed to be a lot more young people young women and more people of color every year on the list which does mean that there's a concerted effort right um which counts for something yeah but i this is i think i might have found this out from your site and this is something i cite a lot the average age of a best actress oscar winner is 29 or it was the year natalie portman won it is still correct yes i posted that people did not believe me and i'm like girl i did the research. He's done the work.

And what is it for men, best actor? There was not an exact, like the most best actresses had won at 29. The men, there was a few different age, but it was basically a range in your 40s or late 30s. Right, right, right. And this is, and I think this is what you, this just goes to what you are saying aboutothy is that his chances are kind of all

over the place because just they're not gonna they're not gonna really like reward someone so young especially because you make an excuse which is they have their whole career ahead of them right but it's like why doesn't that apply to the fucking the the new it girls every year you know like they just because they because they'd rather see them on stage looking good. Right. I think that's what it is. You might have even been the one that said this, but maybe it's what I pulled from it, but it's men that they see themselves in and there are other friends and women that they want to fuck.

Listen, I knew, speaking of men, that, you know, the issues that men bring to looking at other men right I knew Michael Fassbender was not going to be nominated for shame in the year that he wasn't nominated which everybody else predicted and I'm like

bitch I sat at those tables and I heard the academy members because I go to all these luncheons I heard them talking the only thing they would ever talk about

is his penis really interesting and these were men? Yeah. Okay. It was not in a like, wow, what a penis. It was like, wow, his penis was certainly in the film.

It was just like they were obsessed with it. I think they were put off obsessed with it. I get it. Yeah. They're not going to nominate him. It's all these men. Yeah. And that was an indicator for you? You were like, oh, this inverted male gaze of, like, or just invert. It's still the male gaze of just, like, oh, a penis?

No. Was that, like, you clocked that at that point? Yeah, I did not predict him. Everybody else did. I'm like, it's not going to happen. Yeah. And then when George Clooney introduced him with that whole, like, you talking about his like oh yeah yeah like his penis as a golf club or something it was so weird it was at the globes do you guys remember this I think I do and but like I feel

like I'm always like oh they're drunk it's the globes but like it can't have like hung in the air as a nice thing hung in the air sure sure little joke um but also like it's this thing that happens all the time which i hate which is happening again this year you know not saying he's not deserving but gary oldman is known as overdue and so like when they feel like they've messed up before hpj's shaking his god damn head he doesn't think that he doesn't think gary oldman deserves it do you who would you vote for? Timothy? According to Nathaniel in the prediction

index, the only two locks for best actor are Timothy and Gary, correct? And then the other three are... I voted for Daniel Kaluuya for best actor. And then I guess the other contenders are Daniel Day-Lewis. Well, no, because it's very... It's sort of up in the air. I think a lot of them have a really, really good shot. I just don't want to say they our D.L.A. Lewis and then, oh, sorry. Yeah, well, no, because it's very, it's sort of up in the air.

Yeah. Like, I think a lot of them have a really, really good shot. I just don't want to say they're locked. Well, sure. Exactly. Because there's more than three of them besides Timothy and Gary. Yes, yes, yes. And I don't, like, I think Daniel Kalu is probably safe.

Right. Yeah, I think so. But the other three, it's like, I don't know. Which is Daniel Day-Lewis. Tom Hanks. Tom Hanks. What the fuck is going on with The Post? I don't know.

The Post is all over the place. Yeah. I likened it today to a roller coaster. And you're climbing the roller coaster and everybody's like, it's going to win everything. Yeah, yeah. And then as soon as you start descending, people are screaming, it's losing everything. Yeah, yeah. It's like that's very like although when it comes to best actress like francis yawn sort of i just feel like we've seen it a million times i know

but that whole movie i was like so not on board with the post until it's that shot that like just like goes in on meryl and she's on the phone and she's like yeah yeah you know yeah yeah yeah let's go let's go let's yeah's do it. We should do it. I mean, I'm butchering it, but it's... I mean, that was when the whole movie came together for me. And I was like, wow! And it was thrilling. And so I feel like Francis never really gave you that. There needs to be...

Look, I think that Francis McDormand is incredible. Incredible. Like I said, I'm... As someone who hasn't seen Thrill of the Woods. I still haven't seen it, but I just know that I've seen it before. But the thing is, that's not fair. That's really not fair. And I also want to say, like...

This is all over the place. Where are you going with this? Because I'm nervous to say this next thing. Okay, say it, say it. I voted for Margot Robbie because I fucking love I, Tonya, and we're sitting here at a table with someone who really, really... I would even go as far as to say totally dislikes and maybe even

hates I, Tanya. Hates stronger. You think it's lifetime trash. I think it's trash. I think it's rewriting history trash. And I'm not there for it. You're not there for it? I voted for Margot and Allison. The pendulum is swinging back

a little bit. Do you get what I'm saying? It's like... It's everywhere right now, that movie. And today, Nancy Kerrigan sort of, quote-unquote, broke her silence. Made a comment. She's like, I didn't see it. I'm busy living my life.

But it's like, I thought about this too. It is sort of fucked up that she was... I saw you like that status. She was on, you know, just pretty unequivocally the victim in that situation. And for I mean, yeah, it's it's whatever. It's a nuanced portrayal of poverty and blah, blah, blah. And like, but for it's got to be weird for her to be like, wait, what the fuck? I think this was Tanya Harding story and it was very stylized.

Like the movie is incredibly stylized. And also the movie literally says there is no such thing as truth. And so, yeah, I can get being salty about the movie. I get not wanting to retread it, but she, I don't know, I'm sorry. My read on Nancy Kerrigan is that she kind of like, I don't want to hang out with her.

Okay, well, I don't want to hang out with her. Okay. Well, I don't want to hang out with her. I don't want to see her at the barbecue. I don't want to see her at an event, honey. I don't know. Because guess what? You know she wants to go home. It's like, if you're not trying to make this event fun, I don't want to stand with you here and have a gin and tonic.

I also like Titania, but I'm curious to hear Nathaniel's thoughts. Well, he thinks it's trash. Okay. Yeah. I don't really want to belabor the point because there's way too much negativity when people talk about oscar stuff because i get toxic too and this is part of your this is part of your job i would say it's too it's you have that eye well no it's just what bothers me about it is i i really think it's it it wants its cake and eating yeah yeah yeah It's like one, the cake goes in one way

and then spits it out. And I was like, what are you doing? Cause it's like domestic abuse is so funny. And then it's like, no, it's so tragic. And I was like, you need to decide what your point of view is. Okay. See, I never, this is an interesting thing.

I never once thought they were trying to make it look funny. I thought they were trying to make it look every day, which it was to her. Matt and I saw it in a theater that did not ever laugh at the domestic abuse. No, it wasn't a comedy to this audience. I don't know. I think it's these categorizations that come in and have to happen, like calling this a comedy and this one a drama and this whatever. It's just like I think that even in this interview tanya harding did with abc the other night she said

that when she was watching the movie she was laughing her ass off tanya harding says specifically about alice and jannie's performance she's like oh my god it was so real every time that's what it was and she kind of was just like that's what it was that was my mother she's like alice and jenny did my mother that was her and it was just like this is someone who then they asked her like what are your qualms with the movie and she was like well i certainly never cursed at the judges like those are her problems with it like yeah um but she stands by it and so i guess i trust her in terms of like it being her account of her own story like I don't know maybe I'm

also giving her too much credit she is like famously a felon well it is called I, Tonya so in that way it is her you know you have to take it with a grain of salt because it's her vision but

I just I think maybe I wouldn't have come so incensed with the movie if they weren't trotting her out as this hero, like this folk hero or something. And I was like, her friends and I think maybe she knew it, even though she won't admit it, violently attacked

another woman. And we're just going to ignore that because it's fun to rehabilitate people's images. Totally. And why did she have Nancy's training schedule written down? Why did she have that written down? We need iNancy. Absolutely. Who would play her?

We need iNancy. Let's all three of us cast someone different. Or we can all agree on the same person. Wait, hold on. No, because I don't want to say the wrong person. Oh. Oh, someone's coming. You know who would be good? Michelle Monaghan. Okay okay she's a little old

now i guess um but i know that she looks like her she looks like her but what's that kind of like severe sort of like i would say no you know i you know what you know would have been perfect a young and it sounds awful a younger brook shields i don't know about that i don't know about that i just in terms of resemblance not because not not not because of prestige girl she's got those famous brows the anti-character don't have those brows they just have they just have like nice i don't know you have an interesting take anyway that's like when they cast dream jennifer hudson and dream girls everyone was like what and then she won an os. Maybe Brooke Shields would have won an Oscar for playing Nancy Kay. Nathaniel, any ideas?

I flashed immediately, and I am not pleased with myself, but I flashed immediately to Natalie Portman and Mila Kunis. I literally thought that. And Mila. They both play the role. It's like a black swan thing that you superimpose onto Nancy Kerrigan's body while she's skating. See, Mila to me is too

black swan to play Nancy, but Natalie I body while she's skating. See, Mila to me is too, Mila to me is too Black Swan to play Nancy, but Natalie I get. Natalie I get. And then, honestly, I think if this is like five, maybe even, maybe five years ago, maybe closer to 10

and she's big, I think Amy Adams plays Tanya. Oh, yeah. And wins an Oscar. Sure. I think. We need a nine Nancy. We need a nine Nancyc we needed we needed nine nc yeah we do and we can get amy in a supporting role and she could win sure um that's a frustrating case amy adams yeah because she's not going to win lead actress at this point i don't think she will

ever well i mean the julianne moore thing which was a big thing for me and i had to mention it every day for months after it happened. Yes. By the way, ending every article, even unrelated, by the way, Julianne Moore is now an Oscar winner. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I mean, it's huge news. Because she was only the second woman in her 50s ever to win Best Actress. Yes, and since when? Since the 50s. Since the 50s.

With Shirley Booth, Come Back Little Sheba. Come Back Little Sheba. Yeah. I remember you either writing about this or talking about this on some other program. That and also, and then what's the historical precedent for a younger male, just like I guess a best actor winner. I think the youngest best actor winner is Adrian Brody, right? At 29 years old. Yeah.

And when was that? In 92? 2002. Sorry, sorry, sorry. 2002, yeah. Yes, years old. And when was that? In 92? 2002. Sorry, sorry, sorry. 2002, yeah. Yes, but then... The Chicago one best picture. Right, right.

What was... There's some best actor record that hasn't been broken since like 95 or something, right? Like, that has to do with Timothy. Maybe I'm making this up. Anyway, just to... In terms of age?

In terms of age. Well, Timothy will be the third youngest ever nominated if he's nominated. Got it. And he will be. You put him, you put that lock in. I think he has a lock. Yeah, but he'll be nominated.

He'll be the third youngest ever. And I really thought I was going to check that box. But then after I saw Get Out, I was like, Daniel, Daniel. For me, it's like, it's so hard to lead a horror movie, especially one like that. There's so much going on. When he started appearing in these awards, I was like, what?

It's so weird. No one's ever even talked about him. And then you watch the movie, and you're like, man, oh, man. That guy's a real talent. Well, really, the whole cast, which I was really happy they got an ensemble name. It's a tricky tone. Oh, my God. And they nail talent. Oh, yeah. Well, really the whole cast, which I was really happy they got an ensemble name. It's a tricky tone.

Oh, my God. And they nail it. Yeah. Everyone. They got my vote. Oh, my God. And I think that, I think everyone knows that. Like I said, I think there's something in Get Out to love across the board.

And I had a really hard time deciding between Get Out and Lady Bird for that ensemble. And I said to myself, you know what? What do you really love about ladybird the acting or the casting and i think the cat i think i loved the acting but it was really the casting that made me laugh to you and be like oh my god this girl like beanie feldstein or like what genius casting i mean that that girl is that girl and i should know her name but the actress who played the like the mean mean, the queen bee girl. Odessa Young?

Yes. Yes. She is just, Matt and I were. Yes, perfect. She was perfect for that role. Yeah. But no, you're right. Get out just as a body of actors in a movie.

It almost was like a sport. You know what I mean? It was almost like you saw the actors all passing the ball back and forth. It was just so, it was art. passing the ball back and forth. It was art. Everybody, Catherine, Josh. And I think there's, yeah, I mean, everyone across the board. I mean, you mean Bradley Whitford. Bradley.

You said Josh because of West Wing. I was watching the Globes last week. My heart sank as the show went on. I was like, Get Out's not winning anything. No, I don't think it was ever winning the Globes. I don't think the Hollywood foreign press is going to get Get Out. I thought it just didn't bode well for its Oscar chances. Which, would you say? It doesn't always correlate.

And also, it's very American in its appeal and its themes. Yes. And I don't know that that's always that important in terms of whether Globes like something, but it does affect them. On some level, it has to play into it sure right there's always got to be something a little extra i think for the hollywood foreign press you know what i mean there's got to be like an extra reason like whether it's like extra sex appeal or like something's big or something's very stylish or something like that you know what i mean there's just seems like

they always like find room even if it's like a quote-unquote like not such a great movie like there's always a musical in that musical or comedy category like you saw the greatest showman get a few nominations oh my god we were talking about i can't matt famously loved the greatest show well i loved watching it i didn't love the movie because it was good i went twice yeah hell yeah you did. When I was watching this, I think I cried four different times. Okay. When she's like, this is me. This is interesting because are we applying the same rubric to The Greatest Showman as we are I, Tonya?

And I'm asking you, Nathaniel, because to trot out P.T. Barnum as this savior figure is ridiculous, right? His first thing was to like, he, he like took this slave, the elephants or no, not even that. The elephants tragic,

you know that how intelligent they are. Right. He, he, I didn't, it wasn't one of his first things. Like he literally took an elderly black woman and said, this was George Washington slave.

And she's 180-something years old. Honestly, it sounds like... And she died, and then he vowed to give her a proper burial, but nope, just burned her through into her pit, you know, on Mark's grave. It sounds too insane to be made up, so I'm going to say it's probably true. Right?

Yeah. Right, but they're not... He's dead. Yeah, he is long dead. They're not going to give him a round of applause at the Golden Globes. Yeah, he's not going to come in and talk to everybody. He's like, you're amazing.

Like they did with Tonya Harding. But Tonya Harding, I can't wait to see whatever gown she wears to the Oscars, honey. You know she's going to be presenting Best Cinematography alongside Margot Robbie. And Margot's going to be like, just want to say, this woman next to me, she's an iconic woman. This is a cockney Australian. Fuck you. I never said I did accents well. I bring personality.

I feel like, I feel like it's, it's, it's a biographical movie in the same way that I, Tanya is. And, and you guys went twice, but musical bio,

he went twice. Musical biopics have never, ever been about the truth. Oh, sure. They're always just like nine. That wasn't, that wasn't accurate. Fergie didn't slay in real life. Kate you mean, nine? That wasn't accurate?

Fergie didn't slay in real life? Kate Hudson didn't. Kate Hudson wasn't like, oh, God. Kate Hudson in nine, one of the most ridiculous, fun performances ever. That performance was 80% hair. It was. Cinema, it's all I know.

And she's like living for herself. It was a fun movie. It made no sense. This was so funny. So the whole cast of Nine did an interview on Oprah when the movie came out and Oprah's going and you have an Oscar

and you have an Oscar and you have an Oscar. And then she goes to Kate Hudson and she goes maybe this year. And Kate was like, mm-hmm. Because everyone knew that her role as Stephanie in Nine, the reporter, wasn't the one that was going to get her an Oscar. That was irresponsible of Oprah, to be honest.

A hundred percent. Yeah. A lot of irresponsible behavior from O. That's like in those trailers when they'll be like, Academy Award nominee, Academy Award nominee, Academy. And then it'll be like Golden Globe presenter. It's so funny. I feel like Kate's overdue for that Oscar.

Well, talk about someone with a lot of potential in the beginning who just fucking really showed her true colors in like Bride Wars. Which came on the other day on TBS and I was like, oh, this is a horrendous movie. Who, this is a, so we're talking about, so who's over fucking due at this point? Like, before Julianne Moore, like, who is still in that little, you know? I have one name, and one name only I want to say.

Come on. Michelle Pfeiffer! This has been well documented on our on our show i love yeah michelle yeah i mean like and i know you love michelle and this is why i connect with you because literally every time he says he's like for somebody i'm like yes yeah i am also gagging for that person correct yeah michelle pfeiffer just one of the best yeah and please every time i say favorite please know i'm saying it with a P-F. Yes. So, would you nominate her for Mother?

Yes. Wow. She would be in my five this year. Wow. That was a little sneak peek of the film. Maybe he won't even be able to resist and give her the gold. Give her the gold. Give her the yellow, as Matt famously said. Because who's the frontrunner for Best Supporting Actress? I guess it's either Allison Janney or

Lori. Who are bothurie who are both great who are both wonderful and i think would make deserving winners i went with allison but literally it was the hardest one it was the hardest one to vote for but i voted for allison because i felt like it was a character and i felt like that like that it needed a little bit more invention than i thought laurie did though i really respect the relationship they were able to well yeah and it's like what you're saying with allison um and get out it's like the movie doesn't really work without laurie's performance and i well yeah i guess the thing is like at that point i really because they are both so good i just did pick the actress i i liked

better and wanted to see win and that was allison janney i think she's well sometimes you have to toss the coin. Sometimes you have to. Yeah, sure. Is that what you're doing in this category or no? No, I have a favorite. Okay. You do have a favorite, but you can't reveal.

Okay. You must not reveal. But I usually have, like, ties for the fifth spot. And then I have all this agony that I put myself through to, like, decide who is the nominee and who's not. Sure. So what say you regarding Tiffany Haddish and the Oscars? I hope she's nominated.

Me too. I laughed so fucking hard in the movie theater. Yeah. It was one of my favorite movie-going experiences of the year. Definitely. Wow. Like, I went in the Upper West Side, and the theater was packed. Yeah.

And there were all these women of color and all these gay men. Yes, of course. And it was so fun. Everybody was, like, dancing practically in their seats. Yeah. of color and all these gay men yes of course yes and it was so fun everybody was like dancing practically in their seat yeah honestly it did it did feel as fun as when i saw bridesmaids yeah sure it felt that fun i don't know if it was that actually funny but it felt like that vibe it was like you were just like i mean there's there's some sort of transportative thing about Tiffany Haddish peeing from a zip line. And you're just like, oh my god, I can't believe this is happening.

I felt like I was in some way there. I was like, ah! What I always say, and I think you agree with this, and I think this might resonate with you too it's like when you're talking about giving a performance in oscar i think that it should be really hard to imagine someone else doing it you know what i mean like that's a good rule that should be the rubric is like hmm like this performance are they just doing their job and acting it well which is what they're supposed to do? Or is this something that's really special, probably couldn't have been done like this by someone else? Is it a special

movie-going experience because of the combination of this role and this performer? And Tiffany just sort of operated on a different level than anyone else in that movie. I was with her for the line reading of Booty Hole. Booty Hole! Yes! That's what I'm saying! From then on in the movie. I was with her for the line reading of Booty Hole. Booty Hole, yes! That's what I'm saying. I couldn't,

from then on in the movie, I was with her a hundred percent. Yeah, that's so funny. She became a star when she said, it's a booty hole. It's a booty hole. And I remember, I saw the trailer for the movie, and I literally turned to my friend and I'm like, the line in the script was, it's a booty hole.

But she made it funny? She made it funny. Like, no. Like, that's crazy. I just think, and everyone's saying, you know, it's not going to happen. She's not showed up for any precursors, et cetera, et cetera. She won that first big award, Los Angeles Film Critics, right? She did win LA or was it New York?

It was LA. It was New York. It was New York. She won New York. And then everyone thought, oh my God, here we go. We're getting a Tiffany Haddish Oscar season. And then Globes didn't happen. Globes didn't happen.

SAG didn't happen. But I think that's because they voted early. And I don't know. I just think there's more possibility than we think. I think it would be a much better nomination than octavia spencer like it's so boring sure um i mean octavia i mean we love octavia love octavia as a person as an actress yes but when they don't give you anything it's like that i would be denomination it's like really you know what i mean well i do want to say this about Octavia because she's so,

when she got the standing ovation when she won the Oscar, which at first I was like, why is she getting a standing ovation? Because she's like a fairly new actor, but I've met her a few times since and I've heard a lot of stories. She is like the nicest person alive.

Oh yeah, 100%. And I had written this little thing about, my theory is she's the thelma ritter of this generation yeah i've heard you say this yeah and because she she brings all this like great earthiness to every part yes always and it just adds the right texture to to movies yeah um and you know she i was interviewing her for shape of water and i i mentioned i have this theory about. And she knew she had read it. And she was like, I am so flattered by that.

And she went on about being so flattered. And Thelma Ritter. And we talked about Hollywood history. And how she and Viola Davis were changing the game. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, look, I think this would be her third Oscar nomination, which is a lot. And I just think she's been nominated twice like pretty rightfully yeah and

and i don't know if we need this other nomination when there's other women in the conversation who could potentially have game-changing nominations and it just might be a little bit more exciting and deserved based on the material they were given god i hope and she's already a record holder she is the first black actress to be nominated after winning. Wow. I didn't realize that. Oh, my goodness. I didn't clock that fact.

Wow. Wow. How fascinating. I thought it had to do with, I mean, this sounds shitty. I thought it had to do with age and race. But no, it's just the nomination after. No, she's the first one after winning to actually be nominated after having already claimed the trophy.

Because, you know, Jennifer Hudson missed it for Secret Life of Bees. Well, who knows? Maybe. Well, I do hope that someone throws her a bone and gives her a role that is not a period movie. Well, she was in Fruitvale Station. Did you see Fruitvale Station? I heard she was great in Fruitvale. But I'm just saying, like, it's just, it feels like it's her thing. And even, I think she even sort of bemoans that in interviews. She's like, well, I keep getting these roles of, you know, these, like, these motherly

black women in period films. And I was like, oh, yeah, like, she deserves so much better than that. Definitely. I think that it'll be interesting to see how it keeps playing out. I'm just excited that she keeps getting the work because so many times we see it happen. Yeah. They feel like, especially in that supporting actress category, it's so bizarre what happens because so many times we see it happen. Yeah, they feel like, especially in that supporting actress category,

it's so bizarre what happens to so many of those women. It's just like they have this moment and then they kind of just don't work. It's so strange. Just disappears like a mask. You hear about why now with like Mira Sorvino, which is so sad. But, you know, speaking of the Weinstein thing which is very much the reason for that I think that's another

reason why we could see the whole show change I'm very interested to see how they address it it's no secret that he owned that show you know what I mean like that's why I think especially with Moonlight last year I think we're gonna see a lot of cool wins I really do I'm hoping for it and I can't wait for Nathaniel's book on this

year there will be a book there will be a book oh i do want to say really quickly octavia do you know that octavia spencer and melissa mccarthy were like best friends yeah they're a bit like they've like they were on which which late night show were they on together i think it was it was jimmy kim it was when melissa it was when melissa was guest hosting kim all yes and they were talking about how like yeah years and years and years ago they like they did like little bit parts on like sketch on like weird owls show and stuff and it's like it's like so it's cool it's just like it is cool oh wow like they're you know like what a cool trajectory well it's interesting because it's interesting now to kind of right be fully in the industry you know what i mean like

making your way in and then your friends like we're also friends with Rachel Bloom. So now we know two Rachel Bs who have won Best Actress Comedy at the Globes. And not too far apart. So I'm putting it in the atmosphere on this podcast. Rachel Brosnahan, come do our show. We will lay out the carpet. Listen, let's talk about this. Who are the rising stars that you think we should be looking at? Because you also, every year, you kind of point out some people that have broken through

without giving anything away, but actually exactly giving it away. Tell us, like, who are your breakouts this year? Oh, God. You know, it's an on-the-spot question. It's not really. And I would normally, like, have so many to list, but I... Well, Timothy. Well, yeah, he's the obvious one yeah i will say

i started a big project where i'm you know i always talk about actresses yes so i thought i'm gonna throw a curveball okay and i'm gonna do a list of a hundred actors under 30 oh my god that people should pay attention to. And I've already started crafting the list. Okay. Is it called Spotlight on Men? But it was interesting because I started it like ages ago because it's a lot of work.

I have so much work. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I had like Timothy in there before the movie came out. Oh. And stuff. Now I wish I had started it really earlier and like really been on top of it.

Listen, there's going to be some others. There's going to be other people to be ahead of the curve on, to be prescient about. But when can we expect this? Well, it'll have to wait until after the Oscars. That big. Did you watch Homeland? Yes.

Because he was on Homeland. He played the snotty son of... I think he played the vice president's kid. Oh, okay. Or or something and then yeah you know in the show he ends up getting fucking incinerated oh poor guy because that show like to throw curveballs with its big terrorist moments right right um but yeah he uh he was on that show and i he was on that show and he kind of broke out as like an actor to watch and then there was what's his face from the movie Brooklyn

the lead actor of Brooklyn with Saoirse oh Emery Cohen he was on Smash did you watch Smash? I did he was horrible on Smash like bad and when I found out that he was this actor everyone was talking about I'm like

the fucking waste from Smash and then you watch Brooklyn and you're like wow he's great I don't know maybe it was just smash well there's it's almost like there's like a perfect role for everyone yeah yeah and you edges in the actor your job is to just find it so that you can have a career oh my god yeah like Jennifer Lawrence honestly sure with struck gold but also Jennifer Lawrence I honestly. Sure. With? Struck old. But also Jennifer Lawrence, I feel like she kind of found her niche like three different times. Like she like really hit her dramatic moment in Winter's Bell and everyone was like, that's who she is.

And then like when she was in like Hunger Games being like a teen sort of icon, they're like, oh, that's who she is. Big movie star. And then also this like weird kind of comedy character actress thing she does. And they're like, oh no, that's who she is big movie star and then also this like weird kind of comedy character actress thing she does and they're like oh no that's who she is yeah exactly like so to see the american hustle performance and the winter's bone performance and of course her like big hunger games and her of course oscar-winning romantic comedy role in silver linings like it's like she actually is pretty versatile, but also,

try to imagine her doing a British accent. Please no. I won't. It's like, people were like, who's the next Meryl? Everyone was like, Jayla,

it's Jennifer. Jennifer Lawrence. And I was like, literally try to imagine her doing a British accent. But then, here she is in this new movie doing a Russian accent. I think we know it's Saoirse Ronan.

Because her American accent is flawless. It's very good. It's very good. Also, you can always tell who is actually talented when they slay SNL. Yes, and she was very good. She was very good. This is actually rule of culture number 41, which I'll say it and then we'll say it together.

Okay. When they're scared to host SNL, it's a red flag. Rule number of culture number Okay. When they're scared to host SNL, it's a red flag. Rule number culture number 41. When they're scared to host SNL, it's a red flag. You know who's great at it? Natalie Portman. Great host.

Great host. Also, Scarlett Johansson, always a great host. Yes. You know who's never hosted Saturday Night Live? This actually floored me when I realized this. Sandra Bullock. Oh. Really? Never hosted SNL. You'd think she this. Sandra Bullock. Oh. Really?

Never hosted SNL. You'd think she'd be all over that. Yeah. You'd think she would be a slam dunk. Yeah. Thoughts on Sandra? I enjoy her. Sure.

In limited capacities. Sure, sure, sure. Once a year in a romantic comedy. Absolutely. Thoughts on her Oscar winning turn in The Blind Side? Well, I really wanted it to be Gabby Sidibe that year. That was my vote too. Yeah. Because Tilda Swinton sidibe that year that was my vote too yeah um because tilda swinton was not nominated that year for julia which i knew wasn't going to happen as

very obscure small movie you are a tilda gay i am i am michael clayton that got me but i i don't think i was a tilda fan before that i think i knew her from like the narnia movie right and then my have you seen michael clayton i've never seen my poet sorry michael clayton is really good i you know i came i when i watched her in brockovich the other week came up in the and like you will you might also like and i was like really you might also like but i'm just what an interesting tilde in that movie you're gonna love till that movie because she's so like like there's a scene the your entrance the like meeting of her character is her giving this speech to like the so like like there's a scene the your entrance the like meeting of her character is her giving this speech to like the board but then there's flashbacks while while

you're hearing it to her like ironing her clothes and like really like obsessively putting herself together and like it's just such a good it's a it's a performance that the director loves that's great you know what i mean yeah um i do want to ask nathaniel go sort of a modified version now's your chance of our of our of the question of the show right right right which is usually what is the culture that made you think culture was for you but i if you can drill down into this of like what was the moment or thing that made you like just become uh just so so obsessed with awards or just with film no just, just with film, not even awards. But what was the thing for you

just either growing up or even in your adult life that made you dive into that? I mean, my answer for this is the same as it would be for the regular question without the awards. Okay, great.

Because it all came through that. Yep. I will say, this is dating myself, I'm an old. He'll be able to listen. He's an old. He's an old. We can confirm.

I'm kidding, I'm kidding. So when I saw, the first time I ever, I didn't know anything about the Oscars. My family was not into movies. And I was actually banned at the dinner table from talking about movies. What?

My father would not let me talk about movies at the dinner table. Because you wouldn't stop? Because I wouldn't stop once once i started so i made this rule when i was a little kid it was like you cannot talk about movies what movies were you talking about as a kid i don't even know like probably some disney yeah yeah yeah sure sure so but i saw this tv guide with like oscar on the cover and et and gandhi and all these things I'm like what's the shiny man so it was 1982 when I first noticed the Oscar statue and I was like what's this about and I had seen ET of course yes of course and then I made my parents take me to Gandhi because I saw it on the cover of this thing because you had

to be a completist yeah even at that as soon as I saw the statue yes yeah I was like this horrible this shiny figure i must have wow it's like when eat think about that et and gandhi right were being looked at like which one which one which one but it was literally just the image of the statue that like well yeah and with those five because they had the five best pictures or whatever yeah and i didn't i don't i don't think i watched the oscars that year i was like young of the statue that like, well, yeah. And with those five, cause they had the five best pictures or whatever. Yeah. And I didn't,

I don't, I don't think I watched the Oscars that year. I was like young, but I was just like, what is this? Sure. Sure. Um,

cause I remember a specific, a couple of things from 1983, like, or I guess 1984, the following year's Oscars. Right, right, right.

But that's a big puppy of mine, by the way, you need to call it by the year of the movies in question, not by the year. Not by the year they were given out. That's the 2017 Oscars. These are the 2017 Oscars. Exactly, thank you.

Not the 2018 Oscars, people. Come on, that's amateur. That's very much amateur hour. I think for us, because Matt and I will always say that just 97 Titanic was just, when it just blew, that was just like an amazing ceremony

where you were like. I cried when she didn't win best actress. Yeah. Poor thing. Because I didn't understand that she absolutely shouldn't. You know what I mean? because who won that year?

I should know this. Helen Hunt. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't. You can't with Helen Hunt? I can't with that year's best actress race. But anyway. It's pretty tough.

Should have been Helen and Bonham Carter for Wings of the Devil. Wow. Honestly, there's no better performance in the world than going to Gringotts and Wizarding World and seeing Helena Bonham Carter pop out of the wall and try to kill you. I will say that. What's the theme park Oscar? Give her hardware for that.

Give her something for that. For Bellatrix. Because let me tell you something. She gets up in your grill, honey, and with a wand and her hair like that, you't want to see that no no no it's so so scary you know who's even better than helen hunt also that you're not nominated julia fucking roberts for my best friend's wedding 100 to me it's like julia roberts and it's it's it's so weird that her only nomination for being in romantic comedy was pretty woman because it's like she improved on that several times it's like notting hill even yeah that scene in the stadium when she goes by

and she's like i got moves you've never seen iconic it's amazing also or even at the gazebo i'm sorry but i have to read her for filth shonda rhimes stole the pick me, choose me, love me from that movie. It's stolen. It's lifted. It's lifted from that scene. Marry me. Marry me. Let me make you happy. That's amazing. That sounds like two questions. And even just going into the bathroom

to chase down Cameron. So good. What a great exchange. Oh my god. Just the way that Julia Roberts gets it. Here's the information from thatupert Everett that like, who's chasing you? No one. She's like in her face. She just like realizes how crazy she is and like that he's right.

And also this started one of my biggest pet peeves. Rupert Everett was not nominated for that movie. I know. They don't respect the gays when the gays play gays. No, they don't. Thank you. And instead we're going to instead jack off to army hammer

yeah exactly and also what do you think of coming by your name oh i like it yeah but i i wish gay actress would get to play 100 do you think that army hammer is miscast in that movie are you of that uh thought in that camp or are you liking him in the movie uh i'm sort of in between okay i mean he's not the draw of the movie for me. It's all about Timothée. It's all Timothée. Timothée. I will say this. If someone else did that role that was a little bit better cast for it,

I think we'd be a lot more excited about it. Not that I have a problem with Armie Hammer himself. I just think he looks too old to... I don't know. I think the age difference in that movie just to me it doesn't read for me

it was just like the chemistry just the aloofness of that character the way that he's written in the book not that it's gospel to stick to the book at all but as I've said on this show the movie is not

is good film but not good adaptation. That's my position. I guess you have to decide how much that matters to you. Which I was going to say doesn't super count for anything at all. Right, right, right. I don't know. It's interesting sometimes. You read the book first, right?

Read the book. And you know my story about this. It's coming back to New York from Thanksgiving. Finished the book first right read the book and and you know my story about this with i it's coming home from thanksgiving coming back to new york from thanksgiving finished the book on the plane like within seconds of us touching down and i was like i have to go see this tonight i have to because you were very moved by the book i was so moved by the book and i was like i have to go and of course it wasn't going to live up to the book and like you know the emotional sort of contours of the book and so i just went to the theater and i was like this was bad what a bad film and it just ruined the whole thing for me yeah I didn't like it you're a part of the whisper network HPJ is raising his hand

you want to come on the mic come over here joy I'm sorry no no what's going on so I'm sorry Nathaniel what's the greatest Oscar snub of all time? Oh, this is good. I want to get into these general questions, yes. Forget calling by your name. We've had this fucking conversation. You mean winning or not nominated? Not nominated. You must have a stock answer for this.

Maybe you don't. But I feel like... Kirsten Dunst, eternal sunshine of the spotless mind. I do have stock answers for this and i'm i'm going blank my it's okay my biggest i want to i do want to say and i know i'm always like beating a dead horse please the worst snub ever for me for the win michelle fiverr and fabulous baker boys yeah for sure for sure and that was who won that year instead jessica tandy and drapes

driving oh my god who fucking cares? Who fucking cares? I can be snarky in the back of a car. I really can. Because the answer I had originally prepared for what made you know culture was for you was Michelle Pfeiffer on the piano top in Fabulous Baker Boys, 1989. Amazing answer.

It's seared into my brain to such an extent that I could not stop thinking about movies from then on, basically. No, yeah. I mean, that's an iconic image. Yeah. I mean, the fact that she doesn't have, like, something. It's so strange.

And she won everything leading up to the Oscar. Yeah, it's so bizarre. Oh, interesting. They didn't have as many awards back then. Sure. But the precursors were all... But she won all the major film critics awards, like the golden globe everything

yeah wow wow they just she was just on the fucking jessica yeah she was on the red carpet with david kelly and they were like when are we gonna get her apart and in big little lies and she was just like i mean i'm so much better than all of us it's so insane she is she is talk about someone who is just like hollywood aloof like just when they cut to her when Big Little Lies won. She's unbothered. She was like, cool. She was like. I have a story that I must share.

Please. About like Hollywood and even going back to Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan and Michelle Pfeiffer. Okay. I was invited to the premiere of The Story of Us. Now you have to go way back in the time machine. It's like 99 or something like that. And so I get there, and they had had some sort of mix-up. So it was like, are you going to get into the theater or not?

Oh. But they had, this was the Ziegfeld, which is now closed. Sad. Oh, I didn't know that. Cry, cry, yeah. So, and it was like the best place for premieres in New York because they actually had room to have like the limos pull up and all that stuff. They could roll it out. So all the stars were showing up, Bruce Willis and Michelle Pfeiffer and all those people. And every single time. So I ended up

plastered against the window of the theater because it's huge. It used to be this huge window. So you could see all the stars when the red carpet stuff. And every single blonde woman that came in, these fucking bitches standing around me were like, it's Michelle Pfeiffer! And I would be like, how did I miss her?

I'm like, how did I miss her when I'm like her biggest fan? And funny, this one woman was like, it's Michelle Pfeiffer! I'm like, that is Oksana Bayul.

How are you gonna confuse a skater's Oksana Bayul. How are you going to confuse a skater? That is Oksana Bayul. That's rule number 96 of culture. That is Oksana Bayul. Not Michelle. Not Michelle Pfeiffer. How dare. Oh my God.

She is a miniaturized half version of Michelle Pfeiffer at best. Any blonde that walked in, they would shout, it's Michelle Pfeiffer. Fuck that. That's abusive. That's racist. Yeah. As a person of in, they would shout, it's Michelle Pfeiffer. Fuck that. That's abusive. That's racist. Yeah. As a person of color, I can say with authority,

that's racist. Yeah, that is racist. Oh my God. Well, wait, hold on. Does this make you mad? Crash winning an Oscar for Best Picture? Oh, I,

that was actually one of my more famous moments as a pundit. Yes. I got a lot of people on the online talking about how enraged I was.

Yeah, it's a low point. Somebody even called me a self-loathing homosexual. Oh my God. Because I was so upset and why is he taking it so personally?

No, you would be a self-loathing homosexual for rooting for Crash over Brokeback, you fucking idiot. Yeah, that was, what a dumb thing

for them to say. Honestly, that was, that was truly stupid. And that made, I think that made me say, okay, I'm not putting as much stock in this anymore. Like it's not. The illusion was broken. I guess it was the first time I realized the world isn't fair.

We're broke back lost. Why do good things happen to bad movies? That's a good question. Yeah. That's a really good question. That's just, that's the eternal question. That might even be the title of this episode. Why do good things happen to bad movies? Yeah. Wow. That's a really good question. That might even be the title of this episode.

Why do good things happen to bad movies? Yeah. Wow. Well, I will say, I definitely hope we're not in for a boring Oscar year. I really don't want to see Three Billboards win, I mean. I think it's... Or The Post.

You think that'd be boring? I mean, it would, and I actually think that's why it's having such a rollercoaster thing, because it's like old school. It's like previously what would have been the big thing. Yeah, it's part of this referendum that, you know, it's like old versus new. It's like, do you want to vote for something that stands for the way things used to work? I do think that The Post is a nice movie because it's about the press

and it's about the press speaking truth to power and that's kind of cool. But yeah, I mean, they said it all and that joke where they made the Golden Globes I thought was hilarious when Seth Meyers was like, it's a drama directed by Steven Spielberg and starring Tom Hanks and Meryl Streep

and the girl comes out with the arm full of Golden Globes. Yeah, it's funny. To me, I thought, I was like, oh, of course it's gonna win everything and then it didn't. But also just as a movie, just that last,

that third act made no sense. Where it was like Tom Hanks shows up to Meryl's house and is like, we might go to prison and then cut to like

the Supreme Court ruling. Oh, everything, like the stakes were immediately dropped. That's like what happened in Greatest Showman when they were like, oh no, everything burned down and we lost all the money. Wait, everything. Like the stakes were immediately dropped. That's like what happened in Greatest Showman when they were like, oh no, everything burned down and we lost all

the money. Wait, hold on. We can still do it. They literally just did it. I was like, what? It's like, Efron was almost dead. They lost all the money. Shit burnt down. Wait, hold on. Actually, dot, dot, dot. And all of a sudden

there's a text. None of this matters. Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. Yeah, for everyone that's waited this far to see Greatest Showman, who is planning on seeing it next week, I guess. I would be gagged if This Is Me won an Oscar. And we got to see... Do you think

she'll sing it with the beard on the Oscars? Or do you think Kesha would come in and sing it? No, if they get Kesha to sing that song, that would be a slap in the face to Keala. It needs to be Keala. Miss Keala Settle. It's actually rule number 53 of culture. Miss Keala Settle. I butchered the name a little bit.

So did I, actually. That's okay. I don't think she listens. I don't think she's thinking about it. Sure. She's too busy refreshing the hits on that one viral video she has now uh the rehearsal of the greatest showman have you seen that oh yeah there's a point where she's singing it and she goes over and hugh jackman's there like watching her and she oh i've heard about the breakdown and the bridge when she's like i've heard about this and she goes over and like

grabs his hand and she's like looking at h Hugh like they've been friends their whole fucking life. And she's like connecting with him and he's like, yes, honey, like give it all you got. I'm straight. The cameras were there. Cameras were there. Oh, yeah. He was feeling that. He got up.

He started dancing. Also, did you see the clip of so he had like, I guess like a skin cancer removed from his face. So he couldn't sing that day. So they brought in Jeremy Jordan to do all of his parts. And he's singing the song, from now on. That was my best Hugh Jackman impression.

Good. That's pretty good. Yeah. Not bad. Thank you. But so Jeremy starts to sing the song and Hugh's like standing beside him because they said,

Hugh, could you just like stand up and like act it with your face? Because the buyers are here. Like let's sell the movie. He was like standing beside him because they said hugh could you just like stand up and like act it with your face because the buyers are here like let's sell the movie he's like sitting there and he's listening to the song and he just like is crying a single tear and then he just starts singing like against the wishes of his doctor because he was supposed to be there and like not sing but then he just starts singing it from this place of like passion that you wish you possessed like hugh jackman just buys into this bullshit so much he's singing this song honey he is belting he and all the cast is like oh my god except jeremy jordan just in they're like am i not doing this now like am i not getting paid am i still is my check the same? What's good with this?

You know what? That's a lot of storytelling in one video. It was crazy. Wow. Also, that's why I like the movie. It's too much. It is. During This Is Me, also Rewrite the Stars, that number, I got my life.

And also, I thought Zac Efron was maybe one of the best things about the movie. And the greatest scene in acting this year is when Zac Efron goes, you brought joy into my life. Okay. All right. It's better than anything you've ever done. You've ever done. You've ever done.

And I've ever done. And anyone that listens to this, you haven't done anything as good as Zac Efron in Rewrite the Stars in Greatest Showman. Okay. Let's move on. Let's move on. I don't think so honey okay um i think are we gonna are we gonna make this an award we'll give this i would like

to make this a cinema centric i don't think so honey because i definitely have one great okay cool i've got one but do you want to i went first last week you want to go first this time i could go first okay so this is one minute to rail against something in culture uh for this one for this installment something in cinema maybe this this one, for this installment, something in cinema. Maybe this year, maybe at large, or just, you know, without, whatever.

I have topical, topical fish. Topical, okay. Topical fish. So this is topical fish. Speaking of, by the way, RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars coming back real soon,

and guess what, guys? We're gonna be recapping it for Vulture. We're recapping for Vulture jointly. It'll be very fun. That and America's Next Top Model. Yes. So read up on Vulture. so this is matt rogers's i don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so honey not mark walberg but anyone who puts mark walberg in a movie here's the deal you have never ever ever seen mark walberg give a truthful piece

of acting in his life he's always mark walberg trying really hard and try as hard as he might he's never going to give you the realness an oscar nomination for the departed like yeah for like in his life. He's always Mark Wahlberg trying really hard and try as hard as he might, he's never going to give you the realness. An Oscar nomination for The Departed? Like, yeah. For like standing there and saying the lines.

No thank you, honey. I don't think so, honey. Also, he is good in Boogie Nights by accident just like January Jones in Mad Men. Wow.

By accident. I'm sorry. All credit goes to Paul Tamerson. 30 seconds. And he is exempt from this I don't think so, honey because of course

you want to cast Mark Wahlberg as a porn star. That works for to cast Mark Wahlberg as a porn star that works for me Mark Wahlberg is all up in all the money in the world which is a kind of an ironic title and also I just want to say he can't possibly be saving this movie from itself first of all

Ridley Scott I would have like a little bit of sympathy for you had you like cast another actor but you show that you don't care about your movie when you put Mark Wahlberg in it. It is a money thing and I don't trust anyone that jumps onto the Transformers franchise on the fourth film. I don't think so, honey. Anyone who does that.

And that's one minute. Oh my goodness. Sorry, but to pretend he's a good actor is insane. He's never done anything worth it on screen really except look like Mark Wahlberg, which you know what, says a lot. And he also has disowned the Boogie nights which is his only claim to greatness insane thing to say also i'm sorry but he said he could stop 9-11 and he blinded a fucking vietnamese man look there's so much with mark walberg it's so funny that only now people are like actually fuck this guy

no actually fuck this guy for producing entourage, fuck this guy for producing Entourage. Actually, fuck this guy for producing anything else where, I'm sorry, but it's a group of men. And the joke is, oh, there's cum on the floor over there. Like, I'm so over these bro series. I love this. That's the catch-all sort of image is there's cum on the floor. Yeah, it's like that movie with What's-His-Face. Oh, Miles Teller, Who I Can't Stand stand and zach grafana and michael b jordan like when that movie

where they were all like three dudes who fuck sure that was like it you know what i mean it's like these movies where it's like oh dude oh my boner won't go down it's like i don't want to see this shit and literally who is the man that produces all that kind of garbage mark walberg so like directors of hollywood stop buying into it just don't give them the fucking check it's insane that we're even putting goddess michelle williams on the same keel as like mark walberg it doesn't make any sense i mean no okay and and this is this is the longest you've gone to like extrapolate beyond your minute is well because i did I did what I did last week too, which is I started my I Don't Think So Honey

as one thing and then I realized it was about another. I should have just said I Don't Think So Honey Mark Wahlberg because that's really my problem. Yeah, I think he's- Because if he didn't exist, then directors wouldn't be putting him in movies

and therefore I wouldn't have a problem with them. You made him the object and not the subject. You're right. I have to be more active and less passive. There you go. Okay. Alright. Okay. I think I'm ready. This is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey and his time starts

right now. I Don't Think So Honey Alexander Payne for saying that Hong Chow is Vietnamese for scene stealer. What the fuck? Did you make those kinds of racist fucking jokes when you were married to Sandra Oh? You piece of shit. I refuse to see downsizing. Even if I had the screener in front

of me, I would chuck that out the fucking window or I would give it to some street salesman in Chinatown and say, you know what, I hope you make $20 off of this, sir. Look, Alexander Payne has put all of us through so much. I never want to see, I never

want to talk about Sideways. I never want to think about it again. I never want to see, I never want to talk about Sideways. I never want to think about it again. I never want to think about The Descendants again. I never want to think about his stupid, cishet, older men-centric films ever again. I don't think so, honey. Alexander Payne.

15 seconds. Don't you make a mockery of Hong Chao's name when she is the only redeeming thing about your film. How do I know that without seeing the film? I saw it. Matt saw it. Five seconds. That's how I know.

So I don't fucking think so, honey. Alexander Payne, you disgusting piece of shit director who will not amount to anything after this huge stain on your filmography and your conscience. And that's one minute and eight seconds. Listen, downsizing is interesting for the first hour and then becomes fully insane. Did you agree? Yeah.

Well, but Hong Chou is amazing in it. She is incredible. She's incredible. No, I'm not disputing that she's not amazing. But we can confirm that Hong Chou is not Vietnamese for scene stealer. Like, I get that it's a compliment, but like. No. Just call her a scene stealer.

Yeah. Just say. Oh my God just say it was great. Yeah, that's all it takes. I don't know. And how about if you're making a movie like that, that you're willing to change in every act because it becomes a different movie in every act? How about realize it should be all about her

because she's the interesting part, and then change the movie? Truly insane to pretend that Kristen Wiig is in it. Oh, right. She is not in it. She's not in it. She took a weekend off and did that movie. And also, I'll tell you, when that movie fully lost itself was that zany music it was

playing during the reveal that she didn't go through with it. Like, boop, doop, doop, doop, doop. That's, like, happening while he's, like, on the phone with Kristen Wig, finding out that she didn't do it. It's like, yeah, this movie totally is a fucking garbage heap.

I think it's important to say that Nathaniel just basically script doctored that movie in two sentences. There you go. Could be another sideline of work for me. So if anybody needs a script doctor... Honestly, listen, this is someone who knows his stuff. One very good one passed away last year, so we need another one.

Who's that? Miss Carrie Fisher. Oh, Carrie. Famously script doctored, and no one really knows that. Yeah. And famously wrote lots of novels, which I think a lot of people haven't read, but are amazing. Yeah, she's incredible. She was in my list of culture things.

Also, her books. Oh, big time. Surrender the Pink, which was after Postcards from the Edge. Even better than Postcards from the Edge. Really? Wow, they should make that into a film then. They should. Surrender the Pink.

I haven't seen Postcards from the Edge. I should see that. Have you seen Thelma and Louise? This is one of our big things. We have to sit down and watch that. I know, I've never seen it. That's my favorite movie ever, I think. It's the best.

And it's a Ridley Scott film, which me say Ridley I know you're better than this And I'm someone that even liked Prometheus I didn't hate Did he direct the latest The latest movie The Covenant movie No he didn't do that one He did Prometheus which I liked

He's very hit and miss He's super hit and miss but when he hits, I think he's among the best. But also, he's working with a fucking historically good script on Thelma and Louise. And it's really kind of co-directed by Susan and Gina, I think. You think so? I think, you know that Palme d'Or winner a few years back, Blue is the Warmest Color? Yes. How the jury decided that the actresses should also have the Palme d'Or.

Wow. So it's the director and both actresses. That should have been Thelma and Louise. I think. I think I might agree. For the Oscars. So would you call yourself a Susan Sarandon apologist? No. Not after the election? I can only take it so far.

Thelma and Louise only takes you so far. Exactly. I would say I'd be interested in smoking and getting very high with Susan Sarandon because she looks like a lot of fun. It looks like someone who definitely knows her way around marijuana. Okay. And that's it.

Like, and then I probably would be like, oh, that was like really strange. Cause like she probably would say some crazy shit like Bernie, uh, could like solve cancer or something. Could solve cancer. Uh, we've, we've had friends who've worked with her who've had nothing but nice things to say. Alright, Nathaniel. This is big. Are you ready? Not to put pressure on you.

I'm not sure I'm ready. I didn't prepare anything awards. Yeah, but you know what? You know in your heart. This is all top of mind for you. It's there. It's all there. You just have to skim. And don't feel free to not go as fast as we went because we famously speak faster than we can think. And we can't think very fast.

Whereas I think you have an incredibly fast mind. Yes. And maybe just speak at your own pace. And Nathaniel's sharpness will take him all the way here. Absolutely. We're giving pre-color commentary. But can I break the rules and not make it about awards? You can do whatever you want.

Just because I have so much to get off my can do whatever you want. This is drag. This is drag. Okay. There are no rules. Okay. This is Nathaniel. Okay. We're about to kick this off.

This is Nathaniel. Nathaniel Rogers is I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. It is January 2018. And every January, I have to start the year hearing Frank Sinatra's New York, New York. Ew! And it was written for fucking Liza

Minnelli. Yes! And it should be Liza Minnelli. You're right. And Frank Sinatra's always stealing from the Minnellis because they also call him I know he's dead. But I don't care. Because the world's greatest

entertainer. 30 entertainer none of this heteronormative bullshit that is Judy Garland's title so now he stole that title posthumously but still stole it still stolen nonetheless and that's Judy's

and then takes New York New York signature song from Liza Minnelli and it bugs me every January is when I get worked up about it, so I just wanted to share it with all of you. I don't think so, honey. Oh, my God, and that's one minute. Wow. You know what?

And also an education, because I truly, you would never even know Liza was the one. Because it is constantly associated and wrongfully accredited to Frank. Yeah. Wow. Wow. It's the first thing we hear every year, and that's why the world sucks.

And it's every year you realize the world sucks because Frank sings it, and it's not his. It's like when the ball drops and you have this euphoric feeling of a new year, but something is wrong, it's because of what's playing. That's right. Yeah. And it's like, you guys know the filmmaker Bruce LaBruce? No. Okay, he's a gay indie filmmaker love him um so he has this movie called raspberry reich and one of the things that

the the activists are always saying is heterosexuality is the opiate of the masses and that is why it's always frank sinatra's voice instead of lies oh my god that's unbelievable okay i have a question is the judy garland biopic with anne hathaway still happening oh that's another thing i was gonna bring up in this whole like yeah is i was at a party for les mis oh and i was super super sick so i didn't want to breathe on anne hathaway because i worship her yeah yeah yeah you like and but i don't we do not need any more judy garland biopics sure we have me in my shadows. That's right.

We have Judy Davis. We have had plenty, but Anne Hathaway should be starring in a Liza Minnelli biopic. And so I said, so I said this at my table that I was sitting at this Les Mis thing and Robert Wool, is that the guy in Artless, right? Oh, yeah. He's at my table and he gets up and goes to Anne Hathaway and tells her this. He took credit for my idea. Oh my god! Robert Wool! Comes back to the table and say,

oh, I told her that thing about Liza Minnelli. I don't think so, honey. Robert Wool. Oh, Robert Wool. Too bad we had to search for that fucking credit. Arliss? Sandra Oh's moved on from that. Why don't you, Robert? My favorite joke ever in 30 Rock. This is a lie. It's a joke from Dead Rack, but I like.

And Jack Donaghy's like, what am I going to do? Listen to some Cable Ace Award winner? And Jane Krakowski goes, I was great in that Arliss. That's amazing. So good. That's really good. So good. Oh my god. But Anne should be in an Eliza biopic. Anyway,

this has been so great i want to say that i was literally scrolling through your website like i do every single day and i saw that you had posted my web series called power couple that i did with sudi green and bone was in the episode as well and i had a literal heart attack because I don't respect anyone's taste more than yours. I think this website is so good. It gives me so much joy every day. It's literally, I go to Facebook, I go to Gmail, I go to you, and I go to this website called Screamscape.com about theme parks.

Oh, sure. Interesting. Are you a theme park gay? I have been to the Disney Gay Days twice. Wonderful. We have never been to Gay Days disney gay days twice oh wonderful but that's about it but that's about it well listen listen this is you you you figure very prominently into matt's life into my life now it's wonderful so thank you so much and we can't wait for the film bitch awards yes coming soon very soon and for your top 10 for 2017 now do you try to do the

film bitch awards before everything happens everything do you try to do the Film Bitch Awards before everything happens, everything hits? I try to do them before the Oscar nominations because the years I've done them after, on accident, people have been like, oh, you're just trying to be a contrarian. Well, then clock's ticking. I know. But it's in to be a contrarian. It's in.

It's very in. You like to be a contrarian. Oh, I would say we all do, as much as the next person. Can't wait for the Film Bitch Awards. Can't wait for the top 10. Just want to say again, it's thefilme to be contrarian oh i would say we all do as much as the next person um can't wait for the film bitch awards can't wait for that for the top 10 just want to say again it's the film experience.net and you know what slight i don't think so honey to squarespace because nathaniel was telling me can we say this on the air squarespace has categorized the film experience.net as a legacy site in terms of the just the layout and the design you know the design whatever the layout um and they're not giving him the support that he needs that he and his

staff of writers need so everybody should be donating to the site then don't need to and he didn't ask i did call up squarespace call up squarespace and say you know what you make it very easy to make a site but you don't make it easy to love you. I want to say that Bowen and I, alongside Dave Mazzoni, are going to be in Chicago this weekend. We're going to be doing our show game show that Dave and I host. And Bowen is going to be the wise queer on that show. I can't wait. And I will also be performing at Paper Machete at the Green Mill on Saturday the 20th.

I'm so excited. It's one of my favorite shows I've ever done. Yeah. So come out, Chicago. We're coming out. It's going to be very cold. It's going to be pretty warm. Show us a good time.

Is it? Yeah. Like in the 40s. Where will we go after? Scarlet or Berlin? What's the good one? Oh, Scarlet. We've got to do Scarlet.

So we're going to go to Scarlet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But leave us alone. No, check us out um i think we're um at 9 p.m on uh friday the 19th and saturday the 20th as part of the chicago sketch comedy festival we're very excited yeah so thank you so much nathaniel this is our pleasure fun to be here so fun to have you um okay we always end with a song here we go. dog this has been a Forever Dog production executive produced by Brett Boehm Joe Cilio and Alex Ramsey for more original

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