Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "And I'm Bethenny" (w/ Pat Regan)

Episode Date: November 18, 2020

As the saying goes, the time has come and the time is now! And THIS time? The bitch is back. Three-time Las Culturistas Icon Award Winner Pat Regan joins Matt and Bow in his long-awaited return to podcasting, and the three talk one thing and one thing only: the entertainment industry. Follow along as they discuss being suspicious about various people in both scripted and unscripted spaces, namely in "The Undoing," "The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City" and "The Real Housewives of Potomac." There's also a large portion of the episode in which Pat and Bowen stumble upon a sitcom premise and proceed to blue-sky it before Matt chimes in with some questionable pitching. And don't miss the vulnerable convo about late arrivals to certain fandoms. Top off your serotonin with this lovely virtual reunion before you sign up for Pat's MasterClass. And stay tuned for his upcoming projects from which you already know him. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wow. Oh, and look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las culturistas calling i suspect a lot of things this one this one this one and by this one of course i'm referencing the

episode this one well i'm suspecting a lot of things because i'm very suspicious in my sort of state of being right now after watching such shows as The Undoing. And it's a whodunit. It's a whodunit. And The Real Housewives of Potomac where I'm suspicious of people's intentions of old wounds being sort of torn open. The sutures being ripped

out. Speaking of sutures, you know what else has some weird drama going on is Grey's Anatomy. And that's why I'm so happy to... And we're not going to bring him in yet because we haven't had nearly enough time together. He's giving us the scoop on some things that I can't really believe.

I actually have to say this just came through from the panel. Remember the panel from a couple weeks ago? Yeah, it's Meghan McCain and Abby Huntsman. So they sort of are our panel. Everything that gets happened on the pod, it gets run through them, etc. But they just came through with this new title that our guest has. Grey's Anatomy Special Correspondent. Yes! Oh my god, this is huge. This is so huge that he's here. But we're not talking to him yet. We have to catch up with each other. We have to catch up with each other.

I'm not watching a single show where I'm not suspicious of people's true motives. You know, I don't know if it's the seasonal thing. I don't know if it's because second lockdown is upon us. Or both. But yeah, very suspicious. Yeah. There's not much

to catch up on. You and I have checked in a lot over the last two days. I'm just excited to bring in our guests but unless you are there any items that you want to god you are so rude you're so fucking rude i'm so suspicious of you no i'm really suspicious of you because you have blown through this intro you're so excited to not talk to me because i guess we've spoken enough so suspicious that's not it's so suspicious you're not cathartic today everyone okay so our guest doesn't know this. I'm sorry, you know what? I don't mean to cater to the guest too much,

but our guest has not been in the podcast space for a long time, so there's been some new sort of fun little inside jokes that are on the pod now. We say the word cathartic when we want to say iconic. I feel like you and I don't have to perform the friendship when the mic's recorded. You know what I'm saying? We are friends offline.

Yeah. I just want you to ask me how I am. How are you? Good. Let's bring in the guest. Anyway, this guest is a celebrated icon of guesting on Lost Culture East. He famously was... He was our first ever

lost episode. Do you remember that one? Remember when we recorded a full ass episode? Yes, we did. And we lost it and then we were forced to have him back. Thank God he was cathartic when he came back because he sort of earned his place as the

first ever Lost Culture Recess Icon Award winner, which we haven't given one out in a while the only recipients of the award are pat are our guests are rachel pegram i believe annie donnelly and i think there's one more yeah but i'm not i'm not ready to say but those are the three those are the three those are really the three the three and our guest has sort of you know become a cultural icon i would say yes you know you know them from the seek treatment podcast you know them from their celebrated work in film and television the projects are upcoming oh my god um he's making me laugh already he once had he had a cousin whose vest was featured on an episode of scream queens the ryan murphy show he once had a swedish woman tell him that you would do well

in europe sexually yes and one time um someone someone went up to colin quinn his aunt went up to his mom's friend went up to colin quinn on a beach and told him that he did comedy. So these are all his credits. Oh, and the last one, we have to mention all of them. The last one is he was famously blacklisted from my show, Live on Broad Gay. Yes, yes. It was famous drama.

Honestly, I wish the Housewives cameras had been rolling on that one. That would have been quite the episode slash reunion opportunity. What would you be wearing at that year that year's reunion what would i've been wearing at that year's reunion yeah think about this is 20 2016 2015 so i was sort of at that time doing like uh way too much product and my hair slick to the side moment and bowen you always actually, for many years throughout your two O's, 20s, had too much hair. I had a lot of hair.

I thought, you know, the tall pomp was the thing. In many ways, it was. Yeah, but I think that you've settled into your haircut. My haircut, which was dictated by my glasses, my two half moons, where it just did not look good with the long hair. I wanted to centralize hair yeah i wanted to centralize it i wanted to draw the eye to the glasses and if i'm giving too much height on my hair then like the center sort of the center of whatever vision is off so had to lower the hair had to had to sort of pare down the hair and then just just to make sure that the glasses were sort

of the had the marquee role and then you have sort of me, no glasses in sight. And that's why I can have the height. Yeah. And that's rhyming on purpose, sort of on purpose. Sort of. And you know what they say? You know what they say?

When they go low, talking about you with your hair, we go high, talking about me with my hair. They do say that. I am so excited for our guest. We texted him to see if he wanted to do the show. He said,

the time has come and the time is now. The time has come, the time is now. Now more than ever, we need our guest. And also, really, everyone's been sort of demanding that the guest return. He's been in the conversation. And we've also just independently sat on this show in recent episodes, which our guest does not listen to. He doesn't listen to the podcast. He doesn't listen. We've brought him up many times. We go, God, we miss Pat so much. Isn't he the funniest? And we love him so much. Everyone, please please welcome would you have just something else to say no i'll say it to her face okay say it to her face please welcome pat oh my god you guys are supposed to all to listeners you know me for my upcoming projects and i'm so glad you may have seen me i forgot you may have seen me you guys may have

seen me in my upcoming project i forgot the name of the paul and the trio show is it hacks um it's um actually i think it doesn't have a name right now okay well let's just say there's a show out there it doesn't have a name am i not allowed to say i actually have no idea what i'm allowed to about that um but i will say you you know, I will say this. I think I did write on the show that I do think will be very, very good and funny. And everyone should run, not walk to watch it. I'll tell you, I read the pilot and I thought it was absolutely excellent. It was, you know what?

I helped a friend. I always told this story to the showrunners because I really thought it spoke to kind of an authentic appreciation I had for the show. Before I was attached to the project of course i was helping a dear friend uh self-tape for a role and you know you get these sides in this business yeah yeah the entertainment business i'm gonna take one okay master class the my master class is the entertainment business thank god thank god so what's the what's the what's so that okay so now that we know what's the first line of your commercial your big commercial for it oh my god oh now you're

and it's a it's a tight close it's a tight single on the on you just think about that in like in like a in like a we work um yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah um he's waving his hands at me gesticulating at me aggressively you wanted to bring him in sorry what's your first line what's your first line i've made my career in my entertainment i i've made my career in the entertainment business and it's a business that you can do oh wow i am on board take my money bitch oh my god no wow yeah now you wouldn't think this but i have a Euro subscription to Masterclass. Do you?

You wouldn't think. Yeah. Have you taken one? For some reason, even though you're not necessarily a vocalist, I see you taking Christina Aguilera's Masterclass. No, you know what? I didn't. I didn't. But you know what?

I did actually say to my sexual partner this afternoon. Your same-sex sexual partner. Sexual partner, yeah. My same-sex partner. I brought up Brittany and Christina, and you know know what i had the most intelligent thought about them i said you know it's so funny that they got um compared so much because they truly are so different say that say that say that and you know where it stems from, actually? Go on, Queens. Tell us. It comes from our dearth of pop stars in the early

2000s. They were just our two female pop stars, so everyone's like, wow, they're just alike. But it's like, if they were here today, it would literally be like comparing Billie Eilish to Dua Lipa, which you wouldn't do. You wouldn't do it. But if they were the only two, then you might. Okay, Bowen, are you feeling

the same way that I am, Reed, the erasure of Jessica Simpson and Mandy Moore? I know, I know, but you can't lie that they were the two. I'm actually going to... You can't lie that they were the two. You can't lie that they were the two. I want to pitch this as a rule of culture. When it comes to Brittany and Christina, you can't lie that they to i want to pitch this as a rule of culture when it comes to britney and christina you can't lie that's accepted that's rule of culture number number 16 when it comes

to britney and christina you can't lie that they were the two they really were you're right you're so right okay so can you can is it is it a truth that you can't lie about that mandy and jessica would make up the four they oh yes absolutely absolutely they would be the four but but the fact no because jessica and mandy have both ventured outside of music very successfully because because they were not shackled to this um i don't know, the deification of pop stars in the way that we did in the 90s and early 80s. Say that. Say that.

Say that. I actually think they did benefit from not being the two. Because they could go on to be on NBC. They could go on to write a book. An open book. Make shoes. Sell shoes. Yes. They could go and sell shoes. Sell shoes first and foremost.

You know what I love to say about Jessica Simpson? And my mother told me this. My mother, who's famously a hairdresser on Long Island. It's about the extensions, isn't it? Said that Jessica Simpson has the best hair extensions in the biz. You know who has the worst hair extensions in the biz? You, the authority, should tell us now. No, actually, this is Angela, I think, has observed this.

And who's Angela? He's my same-sex partner.-sex sexual partner sexual partner and domestic depending on my mood and um and i've always known it and then when he said i was like yes that's true it's g i don't i don't think you girls watch this franchise but gina from oc has just always had these extensions that like are comical they're comic they're comic-con these these extensions you know when you can tell like the hair is going at a certain angle and then like the extensions like there's a shift they break the angle there's like always such a shift with her and um it's hard hard Well she needs to get her Her hairdresser needs to get her shit together

But wait Or his it could be gay man That's true Or hers but lesbian woman Or his but gay Straight man Anyone can be a hairdresser It's actually rule of culture number 99

Anyone can be a hairdresser Look to your left rule of culture number 99. Anyone can be a hairdresser. Look to your left, look to your right. They're both hairdressers. Wait, what were you going to say? What were we talking about before we talked about Brittany and Christina? Was it the undoing? No. Oh, no, no.

It was the master class. It was the master class. Yeah, master class. Oh, yes, yes, yes. Oh, okay. Oh, and I was going back to this point about the entertainment business, which would be my master class. was the master class oh yes yes yes oh okay oh and i was going back to this point about the entertainment business which would be my master class yeah which is um oh oh and this goes actually ultimately back to my upcoming project so for you young girls out there who

are trying to break into the entertainment business what you need to know is that sometimes you do these things called sides which are a little part of a script that you read to try to get a role in TV and film. Or even a do plays have sides? I think that they, we have to I'll ask the panel. So I was helping

a friend do a self-tape for this show that I was not attached to yet, and I said, you get these sides. Yet? Oh my god. Is there anything more galvanizing than getting sides in this town where every side you guys like well this got made so truly anything can happen you know what i mean that's right yeah yeah you read some you read some bad sides that's all oh absolutely absolutely but then i read these sides with this friend and i was like oh my god these are the first good sides i've ever read in my life and then i ended up writing on that show so it was very rewarding i was like oh my god i'm writing on the one show that's that i actually read it and i was like this is so good

and the one ever good show you got you got to write on the one ever good show yeah yeah that's so exciting it wasn't mean of me to say some sides are bad was it no not at all not at all it would be mean of you not to say that because then these writers keep writing out there and they think they don't have any work to do well guess what we've read every side and you all have work to do you all have work to do except for the um except for the show that i'm uh that i wrote on who does not have work to do because it does not have work to do wait and and what was the story oh the story that you tell the showrunners is that you loved the sides that's the story beginning middle end yeah i never knew the name of the show i always thought of it as that funny show and then i when i and then i wrote on i was like what show is this i was like i've read this

somewhere when i was like wow i was like it was it was that funny show yeah it was that one funny show that i liked well i mean that's we look forward to that upcoming project whether or not we can even say what the name of it is we may have to bleep it out and the readers will be just in the absolute dark yeah i don't think we've said it yet. I don't think it exists yet. I don't think it has a name yet. I can come out as having said it. No, but the name that you said is not the actual name anymore.

I know. And I'll be accountable and responsible for that moving forward. Yes. I have asked, I have gotten word back from the panel about whether or not the sides, you call them sides if they're from plays, and they both have their arms crossed and are looking at me and said of course they're called sides oh my god so that's so i i'll deal with them later but they're really upset you guys also said something that interested me um while i was an honor well my while i was had a hannibal lecter

mask on and my mouth was chained shut during the intro. A new feature of the pod. We have to chain our guests by the face before they can speak. You guys actually had it delivered to my house the Hannibal Lecter and you made the person who delivered it come inside and expose themselves to potential COVID.

That's because that's how iHeartRadio does it. We're a corporate entity now. He said Matt Bowen and the's how iHeartRadio does it. We're a corporate entity now. We have resources. He said Matt Bowen and the team at iHeartRadio says, I have to come in and do prolonged exposure. And I said, oh my God, that feels so at risk, but come on in, girl. That feels

so at risk. At risk, but come on in, girl. That's what I say to all my lovers. Oh my God. All my lovers. Oh my God. Bad. All my lovers. I do want to hear about your sexual trust you had recently, Bowen Yang.

I don't know about this. When I was off the thread. What does a tryst mean to you? It means, okay, you forced my hand. Fully penetrative anal sex. Okay. At this point.

That's what it means. I just want to put a time to this. This was a couple months ago? I guess. It was when I was off the thread for a bit. And then I came back. So we have a thread. And Pat will sort of leave it sometimes.

And need to be walked back to the couch by usually Joel. Yes. Joel is the Andy Cohen. Sometimes I take my microphone off, I say anything. I don't want to be associated with this. Which we should also say is played out. I say you're trash. I say you're trash. I take my microphone off, I leave the thread

for weeks at a time. And of course, me, who identifies as a cast member of Real Housewives of Dallas, takes trash very seriously and will let that really hurt my feelings. I actually got that, where she was coming from with that. Yeah, Brandy. Ms. Brandy from Dallas doesn't like being called trash

because she grew up trash. Oh. I get that. Sorry. I get that. But wait, back to the important thing at hand, which is Bowen. I don't know what the tryst is. Really, everything has been flattened in terms of my, my sexual memory.

Doesn't that, isn't that, isn't that alarming? That is my God. I'm quite alarmed by that. That was so inception. That was so inception of you sexually. Oh yeah.

I hope I didn't. I am always wanting to, you know, it's been a second since I podcasted. I'm always wondering, I hope I'm not misstepping. I, that was no,

no, you don't have to worry about that with us. Not with us. Not, not when it's literally sister life. Hasstepping. No, no. You don't have to worry about that with us. Not with us. Not when it's literally sister life. Hashtag. Hashtag. Hashtag after. We do the hashtag after.

You know, a good name for this episode could be Sisters Gone Wild. Maybe. We'll think about it. We'll see. But I don't like when an episode name isn't organic, so I veto that. I don't like that either. I don't like that either, but I think we landed on something pre-recording which is the time has come and the time is now the time has come and the time is now beautiful it's a front runner for title of

app it's front runner but i love but there's urgency to it okay keep going sorry pat oh so basically what you guys were talking about when i had my animal actor mask on was how everything all these television shows are very suspicious that is a huge theme of culture right now is just feeling very suspicious of the characters both real and fake scripted and unscripted in the scripted space and of course in the unscripted space i'm feeling very suspicious as well oh this is when no matter what if anyone if any character appears to me fictionally or otherwise, this is what I do. And I want you to picture me as sort of Nicole Kidman in The Undoing. This is what I do.

What? Which to me is, go tell them, Bowen. But Matt said something so poignant to the thread last night. Nicole Kidman is the preeminent expert, master of

acting shocked, but not just acting shocked, but receiving information. Receiving shocking information. It's so hard to do. Yes, she's been getting a lot of shocking information on that show. And what I will also say about that show is I actually think it's the first

show in history that they had the show and then they wrote the book that the show was based on and like implanted it and like i watched a show and i was like okay surely this show spiritually was based on a book but i i don't actually even believe that that would be too similar right to big little lies this can't also be based on a book then i google it i want to tweet something about how this show is spiritually based on a book but not actually but then in fact it was based on a book and i was like they just wrote that book in later that was like after the fact they were like no let's write this book let's let's fudge the number so it says 2014 and we'll say it was based on a book you're so suspicious you're so suspicious that you think this that this maybe wasn't even based on a book.

So you think the show is sort of so suspicion heavy that you think it sort of now covers the show itself and its creation, its inception. The suspicion is spilling out of the show. And I think it's life imitating art in this way. My God. And I think it's like in Wes Craven's New Nightmare, where Freddie comes out of the movie and kills actually the actress who plays the girl in early movies. Or tries to, but spoiler alert, she gets away. Yeah, that happens in Wes Craven's New Nightmare. May he rest in peace. May he rest in peace.

May he rest in power and peace so you think that we that that it may be that no that it may be revealed you think it may be revealed at some point that this show perhaps maybe wasn't even based on a book but exists to just be a nicole kidman vehicle that was a book to tv adaptation to me this show it's already too on the nose Okay, already for it to be HBO, for it to be Nicole Kidman, for it to be the hair, for it to be, like, murder, and for it to be a school, and for it to be a rich father of the woman, and for it to be a doctor, and for it to be, like, all these things, it's already, like, okay, is this a parody sketch on Saturday Night Live?

And it's so on the nose and then for it to be based on a book it's like okay this is too much this is literally too on the nose I kind of agree I'm inclined something's been sort of well no I mean Matt we talked about this like it's I would say it's not like

a fantastic show it's a fun we don't know that yet it's I don't know that yet. I don't know. It moves. I like that it moves very well. A lot happens. I will say I actively don't care about anyone in the show anymore,

but I will continue watching it until I think I solved it, actually. Okay, so let's just say we've just seen episode four. I don't really have the same opinions as you guys. I have loudly gasped at the end of every episode, like audibly like this. This has been me.

I literally sat right here where I'm sitting right now, looked up my television, and at the end of episode three, I went like this. I haven't had that. They were begging us to do that. Oh my God. You were not gasping at the end of episode three?

What happens at the end of episode three? Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert for the undoing. No, no, no. No, you were not gasping at the end of episode 3? What happens at the end of episode 3? Spoiler alert! Spoiler alert for the undoing! No, you have to say spoiler alert! You have to say spoiler alert! We don't have to mention it. I know what you're talking about now. I want to say...

Spoiler alert! Are you going to spoil it? I never get this upset. What are you upset about? That you wouldn't say spoiler. I wasn't going to spoil it. This is what I'll say. Actually, I have a fun thing to ask.

Yeah. Subsequently, this is going to be a tangent, but we're going to come back to this. Okay. The central through line of the show, which is discussing the undoing. And suspicious characters in television and film. Because as you guys know,

Real and otherwise. I grew up and lived a large part of my adult life not um i i'm not um being invested in rupaul's drag race and only in 20 i've been i've become the person who in 2020 is walking around and saying actually rupaul's drag race is pretty cool yeah yeah which is like which is cathartic but i've always the perfect time to do it it literally is cathartic but I've always known that bone spoiled something for everyone of RuPaul's Drag Race. Yeah, yeah. But I never knew what it was because it never meant anything to me. But now that it means something to me, I would love to know what bone spoiled.

It was the season seven episode in which Katya was eliminated. Oh, wow. And I did not spoil it. I did not spoil it because Drag Race is live event viewing. And I put on Facebook, not even Twitter, so it was a closed sort of circle of people. I was not broadcasting this information out. I was with my gay friends who watched the show.

And me. This is all I said. And me, the one gay person who's not like other gays and actually doesn't watch the show. And instead might even watch something like- Until now in 2020. Five years later watch something like... Until now in 2020. Five years later, he will. Until now in 2020, when I finally let go and finally...

What did you say? Bowen, but what did you say? I said, Katya, no. Which could have meant anything. No, it couldn't have. So, you know what? I experienced this too with, I'll say... Season 12?

A hero. No, this is separate this is survivor a hero a personal hero and colleague who i cherish and love in the queue so funny chris kelly i spoiled parvati's exit from heroes versus villains and i did feel really bad about that from heroes versus villains like no no no oh winners at war winners at war i spoiled that for him and i did feel really bad because i tweeted, but it was like, after waiting like 10 years for her to come back and then for her to leave,

it was like, and that was on Survivor Twitter and everyone was talking. Sometimes you just get caught up in the emotion the moment you are a part of something. Absolutely. We can't wait around for LA to let our emotions out. Thank you.

We have to live our lives in real time, not on PST. I think that if you are living in Los Angeles and you go on Twitter during the time when you know your favorite show is on, you're asking for trouble, and Chris Kelly is very deeply wrong. And I just want to say-

Whose side are you on in this spoiler disperse? Well, I think they're two completely different things, because I'm not on your side, Bowen. I'm not. But it's the same pat committed the same offense that i did five years prior it's about intent it's about intent what's the difference you were you were you were stunting you you knew what you were doing you wanted this you you you live by the thing of you know you that bitch when they cause all this conversation.

And you wanted to start a conversation about yourself. And I know it. What was it? Oh, yeah. What? That's what you wanted this whole time, and you wanted us to be sitting here five years later, and you're still the story.

You're still the headline, aren't you? The most suspicious. Katia works so hard all season she gets at home her moment and I was about Bowen Yang

five years later five years later we talk about Katya we talk about Bowen we're talking about Bowen that's not right

I just want to say that the most suspicious character of all in film and television is Bowen Yang absolutely fictional scripted or unscripted

I have no idea anymore oh my god I don't know anymore David E. Kelly take notes David E. Kelly wow scripted i have no idea anymore oh my i don't know anymore david e kelly wow i i truly almost always forget that david e kelly did the undoing as well as big little lies which makes it even more like it's too i just think like yeah i i want to i actually didn't know that person's name before this moment i want to challenge the person to do something completely different next time i'm gonna challenge him to do something completely different i want him to write in a

fantasy space i want it to be game of thrones adjacent or something i want to feel like a whole new david e kelly is like most comfortable like right out in the hallway outside of a courtroom that's where david e kelly prefers to live like in lawyer's spaces and lawyer's homes and lawyer's cars but like just like litigate or no just like just being in the courtroom is so narratively rich

like there are so many things there's just so many things built into that already but like I don't blame anybody for like writing a procedural or writing like just just courtroom stuff anybody for like writing a procedural or or writing like just just courtrooms like search party season four like i or season three i'm just like this is so well done and like yeah yeah the courtroom is a very rich place and also you know who i'm gagged is on the show is the lawyer who uh her name is um nomaumezweni. She's amazing.

She's incredible. And you know, well, this I'm about to tell you. She won an Olivier Award for playing Hermione Granger in Harry Potter and the Cursed Child. Oh my God. Yes, yes. She was Hermione. Yeah, and she received a Tony Award nomination. What other television projects?

Are you looking at a list? I'm actually on her Wikipedia, which is where everyone, and this should be part of your master class. If you want information about the entertainment industry, Wikipedia is going to be the site for you. Okay. So she's really mostly a theater actress, but she has been in-

You hate to see it. You hate to see it. She has been in Normal People on television it you hate to see it she has been in Normal People on television she has been um was she in um was she in a show with Phoebe Waller-Bridge

and Olivia um Coleman? Coleman Olivia Coleman oh oh oh Broadchurch it was called Broadchurch

I don't think she was in Broadchurch okay maybe I'm thinking of someone else. I think this is a blind spot that all three of us share, which is... Well, she's relatively new on the scene. No, but I've been getting into Brit TV mystery. And that's why I'm watching Sherlock right now. And that's why I watch Broadchurch.

And I started watching Elizabeth Moss, BBC murderer, but it was actually too boring for me and I had to depart. Was that Top of the Lake? Top of the Lake I couldn't connect with. Oh, Happy Valley I watched. I really enjoyed that. I hear that's good. It's an older woman police officer

who actually is down to throw some punches, get punched herself, free a girl who's been trapped, and still make it home for dinner time. Can I just ask, because you have this sort of expertise in this area now that you've watched some British TV, that's how you can bring the hammer down so on the undoing,

which to you is not sort of doing, to make sort of a joke, what it should be. Yeah, and P, I feel like, and before you answer that, I just want to put out a theory that you will, I assume you will rebut, but I think if the undoing

took place in London, you would be obsessed. See, I want to say yes, only because I know you need that right now, Bowen, you're so far out on a limb, and I could feel your tension, but I don't know if I would, because I am not- Bowen's butthole is

puckered. I'm not quite the anglophile of some of my contemporaries. I don't know that I am. Do'm not quite the anglophile of some of my contemporaries I don't know that I am do you know what I mean like for instance I famously went on record this was actually one of the bravest things anyone's ever done and the witness protection program asked if I wanted to be involved I said I'm actually cool

I'm gonna stay I said I'm gonna stay me you told Cara Meslin hard pass I told Cara Maslin hard pass. I told Cara Maslin, I said, the Witness Protection Program wants you. They're going to set you up in Oregon. You're going to be a farmer.

And I said, you know what? I think I'll go ahead and stay me this time. But thanks. Shout out to our manager, Cara. Cara, manager Cara. Wait, is that such a hacky premise for a sitcom? Because I love that. Oh, witness protection?

We're just someone who doesn't want to be in it and wants to stay themselves. Oh, but they accidentally get into it, sort of? Or they agree to go into it? No, no. That WPP is chasing them. Oh, and they're like, we need you to go into this. And they don't want to.

Oh, that's interesting. No, now we're blue-skying this idea. What if it's sort of like, we need you to go into this. And they're like... And they don't want to. Oh, that's interesting. Sorry. No, another, now we're blue-skying this idea. What if it's sort of like, what if it's sort of like they are like, fine, I'll do witness protection. Then all of a sudden they realize that, okay, guess what? They're straight. That girl they've always had a crush on actually is into them, but they have to go away, and then they keep trying to come back

to their old life, and they have to exist in these two worlds. And witness protection program, actually, they can't know that they're back in their old life and they have to are existing these two worlds on witness protection program actually they can't know that they're back in their old life so they're hiding from the person they witnessed yeah hiding from those who are the witness protection program yes and they're between two worlds and it's the question is and the question of the show is what is identity i have to stop you because i feel like i can't let you sort of mar your reputation as someone who can do a master class on the entertainment industry and come in with this sort of crazy pitch that i couldn't follow for two seconds i was following it yeah no this is the show this

is the show shut up this is the show it's a gay guy and his sister, short of Schitt's Creek. Sort of? Sort of Schitt's Creek, sort of other two, if you will. Because everyone knows you can't sell a show with only a gay guy. He has to have a sister. A straight sister. Rural culture. That's actually rural culture number seven. You can't sell a show with just a gay guy.

He needs to have a sister. If he doesn't have a sister like who's gonna be the whore who's gonna be the whore who's gonna be the one that doesn't have it together hello so um basically which literally i mean not to drag every show but we gotcha um oh okay this is the show it's witness protection and they say we we don't want it and then the witness protection says but you guys are under the most danger of anyone ever and the show is they're trying to live their gay and whore life and the people keep trying to kill them and they have to just get out of the way easy simple breezy it's a gay and his whore sister and the people are trying to kill

them and they had the opportunity to go into wPP, and there's someone probably played by, let's just say, who's hot right now that works in this gay show? Let's say… Liev Schreiber. Liev Schreiber. He's hot right now. That reminds me quite a bit of the pitch Bowen had for this show. I was going to say that was the original pitch, and then Pat was blue-skying it.

Can I say something? That's why you need to be really careful in this entertainment industry who your creative partner is. Because let me tell you something, Bowen could have a pitch that sells, and then you have this wacko next to him who they attach for talent purposes, which is probably how you got involved, I would imagine.

Pat's the wacko? Wait, me? Pat's the wacko talent who comes in and is like... I just had a new idea for the show, by the way. The show. Oh, wait. Fuck. I forgot.

The show now. Well, this isn't going to work. I have an idea. I have an idea. Okay. Basically, the show is the following. Two people are in love. They're afraid to tell each other.

It's been years. It's kind of Dawson's Creek, basically. Okay, wow. And they're finally, like, lifelong, finally going to commit their love, one of the best to go witness protection. The other one, now we're actually not telling that one story, or maybe we are, but we're really telling the story of the other one who's trying to find the love of their

life who's in witness protection. No one will give them answers because it could endanger their life! And they have to decide, do I want to endanger the person I love, or do I want to endanger the person I love or do I want to walk away from them forever? And that's a decision that can never be made. It feels like an essay. Now that Pat is my creative partner,

I don't want to undermine his vision, but I feel like that's not the... If we're focusing on the one who isn't in witness protection, that feels like the less active story. But what if they're driving all over town? What if we see flashes of the person in witness protection in his new life we don't know very much about it we just oh wait this is kind of like this is kind of this is kind of like season one of veronica mars i kind of like that oh yes i love veronica mars i just re-watched it all in its entirety and that's

a part of culture that would be in the world but i would answer for your famous question what made you like culture that's not our question first of all can we just stop right now that is not the fucking question and the disrespect that you've shown re not listening to this show after it's lifted you up so i will say when i told angelo my same sex sexual slash domestic partner that i was coming on the show i said where i got my start one time time I did a show in Detroit with this woman

who said, who literally claimed every single place was where she got her start. She was this older lesbian woman. She's like, I used to be in New York. And I go,

she's like, where do you perform? I'd be like, I did a show at the Duplex that night. She goes, I go, do you know it?

She goes, know it. That's where I got my start. She said, every single space that I needed was where she got her start. That is so good that you met her. That's so in vocabulary of you.

This reminds me of that other lesbian person we met at our show in Denver. Lesbian person? Wait, I'm so mad that you guys did so... You guys did two... Three? Three in Boston, Chicago, and Denver. And of course, mad that you guys did so you guys did two two three three i don't think so many without boston

chicago and denver and of course pat patrick and i patrick patrick and i famously did a just a shockingly good show at the bell house together that's true shockingly good you really are the third culture as though i've been taking a step away from the podcasting space, I did receive a text message from a shout-out to our former family member, Meg Pope, and they did say you were mentioned in Lost Countries and it was so sweet and I listened

and I gotta tell you, I kept bouncing on that episode trying to find specifically the moment and I ended up listening to a large amount of the episode. And I said, thank God. I said, God works in mysterious ways. I needed this today. And then I found it and it was so nice.

Well, that's how we feel. That's how we feel. We love you. That's how we feel. I want to circle back to P. We went on this huge tangent about this Witness Protection sitcom. But Pat was about to reveal the bravest thing he's ever done. Yeah. I said on my podcast that I wasn't crazy about Fleabag.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I get it. And this was in response to Bowen positing that I might love Undoing if it was set in London. Okay. love undoing if it was set in london okay so and and i and i actually i i see now that theory does not hold because um you you you you've said on the record on this very episode that you're not an anglophile i'm not an anglophile and that's something that took me really long to be okay with can i ask you can i ask you like do you find yourself because i know you love shows that take place in new york city i the big apple well you know what it's like growing up on

long island i do fantasize this city that you've lived in the shadow of where there's gay people to be found where there's um sort of counterculture to be found where there might be even people who don't care about lacrosse that you could connect with yeah of course and so of course when i see these people on my screens i would say interesting and so do you think it's interesting like to watch nicole kim and cross the street and do you think there's do you think there's symbolism in watching her cross the street that they keep showing it every other shot first of all first of all before this before the car gets away from us let me just say that i like the show i mean i like the show i don't i think that um i i think it's heavy-handed we and i think they say everything twice in it have you noticed so this is this is

where choice is that i think it is to be, we do this thing of saying things twice? So last night, you texted us and you asked, have you gotten to the cocksucker line yet? So in the fourth episode of The Undoing, Donald Sutherland has a moment where he's explaining to Hugh Grant, spoiler alert, that he will come after him because he's a real cocksucker. No, no, no. He's explaining to the principal of the school.

Oh, yes. Yes, that's what it is. He's like, I'm a cocksucker. I'm real cocksucker no no no he's he's explained to the principal of the school oh yes yes that's what it is he's like i'm a cocksucker i'm a cocksucker and he said he says it like he says it like i'm a cocksucker which is he adds an extra vowel cocksucker he says cocksucker cocksucker yeah yeah what was the deal with that i don't know but i think donald sutherland just talks the way he talks and we should all just let him. I always think, is he British? And then the answer is really no? The thing is that I don't even have a problem with the delivery of the line. I think Donald did the best he could with that. Fine actor.

It was a really strange piece of writing that I won't assign value to. I won't assign a positive or negative value to it, but I did find it a strange bit of writing that I want to sign value to. I don't understand. Yeah. I want to sign a positive or a negative value to it, but I did find a strange bit of writing, the cocksucker line. Well, you know, in a show like this, The Undoing,

in a whodunit, everything matters. So I don't know if you've been listening to every word, but, like, for example, when she told that story in the first episode about why Hugh Grant doesn't like dogs, that to me, there's no in a whodunit,

there's no unimportant scenes. Really? Yes, this is like, it's sort of everything. I actually disagree with that theory. No, no, no, I'm telling you, everything's going to come back. See, I famously love whodunit. You know, I read, I'm reading Agatha Christie and the Order of Publication no i'm telling you everything's gonna come back i famously love whodunit you know i'm i read uh

i'm reading agatha christie in the order of publication and i'm a big fan of the whodunit verse and i think in a book like that that's strictly whodunit yes but you're but you have to account for red herrings right you have to account for the fact that this is a whodunit of course first and foremost but it's also a drama, right? So there might be something in that space that's kind of clouding the economy of a whodunit where nothing is wasted. Using all parts of the whale, as it were.

Absolutely. What do we think of the buffalo? I think either one works. I think either one. Both of them are equally culturally sensitive. And both deserve to have their entire selves used. That's true. I think that there's some significance.

I think, you know, what's a red herring to me is Connie Chung. I was like, what is the significance of this? When Connie Chung was in the show, that was a moment in culture. Yeah, that was a little anachronistic. It was interesting. I used to love her. Growing up in Long Island, she would be on my commercials. Yep.

It would be her. She would be there. She was based on Long Island? No, she was just... It was like the New York... That was her heyday. It was her heyday. She was huge for news when I was young.

She was huge. Connie Chung was... 2020. Oh, my God. But that whole thing, I was like, this would never happen. Like, Connie Chung being like, okay, so I don't know if I believe you. Convince me. And then him being like, okay.

But I'm happy it happened on the show because that last shot of episode four was chilling to me. When he looked into the camera and she asked, do you have any idea who did this? And he said, yeah, I do. I felt like... Okay, so let's just ask this question of the three of us let's go to bowen first bowen re the undoing who done it who done it i think a lot of attention is being placed on that kid on their son and i'm very interested to it's ultimately a story about his development his traumatic

processing of this of seeing his parents sort of unravel but it could be a thing where he found out about the affair and then just inhumanely sort of committed this disgusting crime you feel that the son played by

actor Noah Jupe Noah played by actor Noah Jupe. Noah. You think that Noah Jupe. Honey Boy fame. Yes, who's very British, by the way. He's going to be a star. Huge star. Handsome boy and good actor.

Oh, careful, careful. I'm allowed to remark on the boy's good looks. Well, he did have like a sex scene in Honey Boy, didn't he? Oh, I don't like that. I know. Wait, should we cut this all out? No, we're definitely keeping it in because it's our responsibility to make sure people know that people like you are out there.

But what I want to ask you right now is who done it on the undoing? That's my theory. I literally solved the case. He knows. You know. He said he solved it. Okay, who did it? I solved the case. You know who did it he solved it okay i saw the case you know who did it who donald sutherland did it he found out about the affair he never liked this guy he was at that

event and he left early um and he now is so desperate to have her believe that the husband did it. Oh my God. I really think it was Donald. And I'm really good at too done. And he threatened Hugh Grant's character in this latest episode. Yes. He's also like, like,

like, um, sad and anxious in a strange way. Like, did you notice in that last episode, the way he was like crying, apologizing to Nicole and begging for her forgiveness. I was just like,

he's really upset. There's something going on there. And sort of, it's like, what is the narrative purpose of this character? If not to have killed this woman, do you know what I mean? Like what,

what else does he serve besides this sort of sense of like, um, conflict between her family and him, which I don't think is like justification enough for how much time he gets. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's totally real.

Um, and I guess I, I, it should fall to me now to say what I think and I'm wrestling with it. I really feel like it could go either way. I think that, I think that you both could be varying degrees of right. I think that Pat's really onto something,

but I also think there might be something to the fact that Nicole did it. There's no spectrum of truth. Oh, okay. You think Nicole did it. I think that it's possible Nicole did it. Because I think it's kind of interesting. I'm so sick of that type of thing. Where we realize the star the whole

time had done it. It hasn't been seen enough. Yeah. I just, no matter what the outcome is, I feel like I've seen every version of it. Do you know what I mean? That's my issue with the show. There's a version of it that I'm into, which is Jodie Foster and Flight Plan,

where there's a whole... The half of Act 2 is them accusing her of losing the daughter. I love that movie. I never saw that movie, but should I watch it? I just- Yes. Oh my God,

you would love it. I'm sure you would love it. Isn't it Jodie Foster and- Peter Skarsgård, and then Sean Bean is in it too. Oh, I love Sean Bean. Let's take a break.

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I felt too seen. Dragged. I'm NK, and this is Basket Case. So I basically had what back in the day they would call a nervous breakdown. I was crying, and I was inconsolable. It was just very big, sudden swaps of different meds. What is wrong with me? Oh, look at you giving me therapy, girl.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. We help food service workers. And we're back. And here's the thing. I want to just kind of hard cut because one of the reasons I was so excited to have Patrick on today was because we have so much Housewives stuff to talk about and I really need the Housewives authority. And then at the end of the episode,

we'll kind of have his special guest correspondent, Grey's Anatomy correspondent weigh in but I need to know what my girls thought of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City premiere I thought it was great I think we're really being set up I think I'm cautiously very optimistic me too

I think so I saw a snippet of the Watch What Happens Live where they were all on I didn't like that it was chaotic. That felt a little, like, choreographed. I mean, all of it is, but, yeah, I can't tell yet. After episode one of season one, I don't want to see what kind of terms they're all on now.

Like, let that play out before me. Spoiler alert. Don't be a Bowen, Andy Cohen. Oh! Yeah. Primer. I do think, like, it was funny to watch them all have their first like appearance on watch what happens live be all together and on a zoom because it just felt like

jumpy and like they were all trying to get their moment you can tell who like the fucking hogs are from the first episode i mean the hogs the hogs i I mean, Jen is very much... Jen, Lisa, Mary. Jen, Mary, and Lisa, and Heather. I'm still in a place with Salt Lake City where I need to know... Their names aren't enough for me to know who they are. So here's the way I can run it down.

Mary and Meredith I know. Mary is the First Lady of the Pentecostal church who married her step-grandfather. We famously have Jen, who's the first Muslim housewife ever. She is married to a football coach, and she used to be Mormon, and now she is Muslim.

And is that the Utah State? Yes, yes, yes. He's a coach at Utah State. It's crazy how much money college football coaches make. Well, they're certainly loaded. But I think she also has her own business. And then there's Lisa Barlow, who I found out is actually the centerpiece

from which they built out the cast. It was Lisa. Oh, interesting. Because this originally was supposed to be about businesswomen in Utah, and they were not going to- It was never not supposed to be about business women in Utah and they were not it was never not going to be about Mormons

it was like it was like it was not supposed to be a Housewives franchise and then they saw what they had and they were like

this is a Housewives franchise I never understood as someone who wasn't an Anglophile I never understood why they didn't do that with one of my favorite

ladies of London shows ladies of London yeah but anyways but anyway lisa barlow is like miss sundance apparently and she owns tequila brands and she is an active mormon but she converted because she's culturally jewish then speaking of jewish there's meredith who has her gay son which is iconic to have the first gay son on a housewives franchise i'm trying

to remember there was one situation where someone got outed by one of the other gay son on a Housewives franchise. I'm trying to remember. There was one situation where someone got outed by one of the other wives, a son or a friend of the family. Early in Housewives. I want to say it was in Jersey. I was going to, yeah, that feels very Jersey. I think it was in Jersey. Someone said someone was gay and they didn't want it. And I cannot remember.

Feels like your son is gay would be a thing, a slurry thing someone would say on the real it wasn't done out of malice it was more done i think they were it was like an ally of the not of the gay community of the other housewife who was who was attached to the gay son and i think it was just sort of like i don't know i don't somehow it came out that it wasn't like your son's gay it was more like referring to him as a gay son for a gay son to one day be attached to a housewife is huge. I mean, it's a huge moment in history. No, just to put it in Pat's terminology just now,

the housewife attached to the gay son. Not the gay son's mother, the housewife attached to the gay son. So we see them sort of go on a hike. I was watching it with Jared and 30, I kid you not 15 seconds into them being on screen he goes they're jewish he knew they were jewish immediately and then uh what else we have we have um whitney who we saw we saw getting her vows renewed um and

we find out that she was excommunicated from the mormon church well that's that's controversial now she says she just left for having an affair with a married man that she was excommunicated from the Mormon church. Well, that's controversial now. She says she just left. For having an affair with a married man while she was married that she worked with. And now she's sort of being re-accepted into it in a way. And finally, we have Heather, who is sort of has a complicated relationship with the Mormon church, being that she's divorced from one of the richest Mormons in the world, I guess. Yes. Heather, off of the bat, seems Mormons in the world, I guess. Yes. Heather, off of the bat, seems the least interesting to me, I think.

Heather feels like Roni Heather. There's so many similarities. Yeah. And I do love that the other one refused. I love a storyline where one refuses to admit that she knew the other one before. Like, that's always really fun. There was two iconic things that happened, I felt. I don't know her, despite the fact that you definitely do.

And you smell like hospital. You smell like hospital, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, it's, um, because especially knowing the cast was built out from Lisa, like, she must have told producers she knew this woman. Literally, there is an interview where she's like, well, the first person I went to was Heather.

And so it's like, okay, so you did know who she was. And I love the terminology of good time girl where it was like i would have loved to be a good time girl i wish that i was good time it's my dream to go back to a real school and be a good time girl and i would have loved to show people my vagina that was dark yeah that it was that it's her dream to go back to college oh yeah i know but relatable but but relatable in many ways okay so i want to say her dream to go back to college. Ooh, yay, yay, yay. But relatable. But relatable in many ways. Okay, so I want to say right off the bat that out of the six of them,

I already know the one I identify with, and it is Lisa. I know the one I identify with. It is Lisa because she went to three different fast food restaurants with her kids and husband. That felt like a performance to me. Well, I believe that they don't cook. I believe that they don't cook.

Yeah, i just felt too hammed up in a way that was like i just felt it was very like first day of filming i'm gonna show them the kind of mom i am and not exactly one who cooks i'm the one who goes like i i don't know well fuck her drag i guess she didn't do a good enough job you're so fucking rude why did how come how come when i say i identify with one you attack i never do that you did that you did that ever though we did get into a scuffle on twitter over denise didn't we i wasn't considering or considering it a scuffle i was considering it a back and forth with a friend i was considering it a good natured um intellectual

scuffle because you you are a good time scuffle you are But I think we're on the same side. We're both team Denise. I am team Denise. I'm not always on a team. Sometimes it's more like, and sometimes I don't align with everyone on the same team where I'll pick and choose. I like you from that side, you from that

side. I know what we were arguing about. We were arguing about Erica. Because you said this is the first season you like Erika Jayne, and I said I've always liked Erika Jayne until this season. Yes, and that was what we scuffed about. But I relate to Pat's view on Erika,

which is the aggressive pandering to the gays. Yes. Which I think, which was your kind of, like, reasoning behind your sort of distaste for her, right? Yeah. And yes,

yes. Anyways, I don't mean to get off track. No, but so who, Bowen Yang, first you, who do you identify with on the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City,

Utah? I, I guess I'm, I guess I'm either a Jen or a Meredith. Jen in the way that like we, but we like, we like sort of ostentatious things every now and then. Or Meredith in,

in terms of me just being, but I guess it can't be either. Cause Jen and Meredith were sort of pittedatious things every now and then. Or Meredith in terms of me just being, but I guess it can't be either because Jen and Meredith were sort of pitted against each other in this episode in a way where it was Meredith's party, but Jen made it about her. Made it about herself. I don't know that I would do that on Jen's part. No, I don't see you as a Jen.

I don't see you as a Jen. Can I be honest? Oh no, Mary? No, I don't think you're a Jen. I don't see you as a Jen. Can I be honest? Oh no, Mary? No, I don't think you're Mary. Who am I? You might be... Careful. This is scary.

I don't think you're Heather. I don't think you're Heather, but... I should hope not. I think I'm a Meredith. You think you're Meredith? The only reason why I don't want you to necessarily be a Meredith is because, and I don't wish that for you, is because out of the six of them, Meredith is the only one I thought, maybe boring.

Oh, no, see, I'm a Meredith as well. I like Meredith. I'm a Meredith as well, but that makes sense because me and Vaughn are both Scorpios. And so if you're a Scorpio and you're a Meredith, I'm doing a study, so please DM me. And if you're willing to do a trial where you live in a lab for nine weeks as a Scorpio who's a Meredith, then please DM me. Maybe you are Meredith, though. You're going to live in a lab?

I think he and I are both Meredith. Meredith and Lisa are best friends. And if I'm saying I identify as a Lisa, that makes sense for me to read both of you. So I'm trying to figure out, like, there was something early on that made me go, I love Meredith. And I can't remember. Someone said this, I think. I don't know if it was you, P, or if it was someone else. But the fact that Meredith is not, like, pointing out, like, emphasizing the fact that her son is gay.

Yes, yes. She just tastefully has a gay son. She does, is not, so far has not made a big deal out of it. I respect that. She's just tastefully the housewife attached to the gay son. But wait, can I ask you guys a question? Her husband, Seth,

screams second family to me. Oh. There's always one. I could certainly see it being him. It's weird to think that we're getting to know these women, and it will, capital W,

get to a place where we are seeing life-shattering, world-altering drama befall them. I feel like I know who's not going to make it back season two. Whitney. Whitney, yeah. She's too disconnected, and she doesn't... She hasn't... She's certainly done interesting things. She's too disconnected and she doesn't... She hasn't... She's certainly done

interesting things. She's made interesting choices, but she herself doesn't strike me as interesting. I'm not desperate to know what she's about to say. Sure, sure. Her main storyline was off-screen. Her cousin was like, I'm happy for you for renewing your vows.

That was like her main storyline. We saw that scene sort of from the shoulder down oh wait Pat did you go with us to see Sons of Boulevard on Broadway? No no I saw on Island

once on this island with you oh yes and then Pat and I went to go see Slave Play on November 8th Pat isn't for all of Pat and I went to go see Slave Play on November the 8th. Pat isn't... For all of Pat's aversion to theater, I reject that notion, and I think Pat actually loves theater. Well, but he said one of my favorite things that I've ever heard leaving a theater, which was, as we

were leaving Once on this Island, which Bowen and I loved. I really loved the new production of Once on this Island. We were leaving, and I said, Pat, what did you think? And he goes, I didn't like it. She was mentally ill. She needed help. The main character of that film.

The main character of that film. I think struggled. I think there was decision making in her that I didn't understand. And I thought she needed someone to talk to. But also... Do you feel that way about Ariel and the Little Mermaid? Because they're very similar stories. Almost every female character is mentally ill

if you really track it down. Before 2005. I think that anyone who is like immediately like, I've met you and now... There was something in that play where I was like... There was some moment where I was like, this is this

well she sees him immediately and she sings about the stranger in white the rest of the move the show i remember thinking how does she even recognize i remember thinking how she even recognized him they didn't even meet or something like that i remember thinking she should go move on with her life instead of um yeah going with instead of being obsessed with this guy sure sure i don't remember the play quite well enough to really really yeah i think maybe maybe what maybe what upset you is when she gets thrown out of the kingdom and she sits outside the gate for three weeks and ultimately starves yeah i was like girl she turns into a tree is really what happens that was yeah i didn't like

that and that didn't happen and and that didn't happen in Little Mermaid. But Bowen is... With Sunset Boulevard, Bowen is referencing when Bowen and I went for my birthday. And... We were in the last row. We were in the literal, truly one of the last rows of the theater to see Glenn Close in Sunset Boulevard.

And she comes out and makes her amazing first entrance. And all we could see was her little feet. And people were flipping out and people were flipping out at Glenn Close and we were just laughing. Yeah it sucks I you know speaking of this you know I saw the new just before quarantine I saw on

opening night I hate to call myself the sort of theater metropolitan man who lives in New York, who is gay. What did you see, bitch? I saw the new West Side Story. With Isaac Cole Powell. Yes, I saw it the day before lockdown.

Oh, I saw it like a few days before lockdown. So I guess a little bit before you, I guess. And then you must have seen that I saw it and then you saw it soon after. I did, I did. You probably influenced Bowen's decision. You're an influencer. You did.

But do you guys both know that Isaac Cole Powell, who is the lead, Tony in West Side Story, was the lead in Once on this Island. And I will say that I was attracted to him in both of those roles. Very attractive sexually. And secondly,

I was second row of that, which I felt like, oh my god, they gave us this great seat. And it was one of these events that we went to. It was like an opening. And so we went. We didn't know what seat. And for one, we could not find the young woman who was going to give us our tickets, who was a very sweet girl. And we were trying to get her attention. And then we turned around and literally in our face, truly breathing on us as we were, like, looking was Vanessa Hudgens.

Like, that's insane. Wait, you and your same-sex partner, Angelo? Yes. Sexual partner. Days before COVID. I would say Angelo might have touched her nose with the side of his head. And anyways, they put us in the second row, and were like, oh my God, this is so shocking. They gave us good seats.

But so much of it happens like on the screen that we truly couldn't see the play. Like we truly couldn't see the play. It's actually a rule of culture. Sometimes very close seats are not the best seats. That's rule of culture number 55. Sometimes very close seats are not the best seats I want to get us back on track well let's

quickly check in on Potomac yeah so let's just chat Bo what did you feel about this last episode of Potomac I god I really loved Wendy beginning of the seas now I'm just like you got this exceptionalism narrative has got to stop this I honor the

fact that she is so educated we all do but she but the but the way that she sort of doesn't weaponize it but like i mean just kind of lets it frame every single conflict on that show is a little it's it's it's a lot and it's a lot. You gotta ditch the exceptionalism narrative. This just applies for anybody. We are not... None of us are even that special. Do you know what I'm saying? Yes.

I only have a bachelor's degree, and I feel comfortable saying that. Me too. I have a bachelor of fine arts. Wow. I have a BFA. Matt. I don't know.

I don't think better. Don't tell people that. I'm humiliated. I I'm humiliated I just did I won't ever again seriously don't say that I'm waving my arms in the air which is my signal to my producers to cut that I think I really also identify with Bowen Yang and what he's saying

because I really loved Wendy so much and I still do. I still do. I am a very forgiving person where if I like you you really can do kind of stupid shit for a little while and then I'll still like you. I still love Kenya more. I still love

Bethany. I still have love for Teresa. I don't have love for Rena. That's so stupid. that's really disrespectful to say and I call it they all have varying levels of I call it immunity and I said this on the thread but like for me Robin is someone who has

immunity where do I always agree with her should she have included Karen in her website absolutely yes no that was insane and also the pictures weren't even bad of Karen when she said these pictures are not usable and they showed like these kind of stunning pictures of Karen I was like bitch and then when Karen. When she said these pictures are not usable and they showed these kind of stunning pictures of Karen I was like, bitch. And then when she

said in her confessional that she remembers years ago when Karen said she didn't like Ray's dick. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Robin was doing a lot on this episode. We do stan. Robin is being messy, but she's someone who is like, okay, you shouldn't be doing this, but I still like you. Monique is someone who's in that category where it's like,

I can be firmly on your side while acknowledging that you've been like, in Monique versus Candice, I am on Monique's side while knowing that she is very much in the wrong in that situation. I'm finding that I agree with Pat Regan. Wow. In all things. Yeah. Wow.

I think I agree with Patrick and Bowen because I am also rooting for Monique. Oh my God. I am also rooting for Monique and knowing that God. I am also rooting for Monique, and knowing that what she did was wrong, I just, I can't get on team Candice. I can't. No, I've always struggled with Candice from an early age,

and I think that, I think we've all spoken about Karen having this sort of redemption story. Oh, we love it. And I'm also experiencing that to a lesser degree, but nonetheless, I'm experiencing it with Ashley, who I really didn't like for a long time. redemption story oh we love it where and i'm also experiencing that to a lesser degree but nonetheless i'm experiencing it with ashley who i really didn't like for a long time and now finally she's kind of had a big episode yes i mean she's going to she's going to get some

shit i think for the next episode i think on twitter people won't be happy with her but because she's like going against candace like what is it's like i i i want to decentralize candace from the this this narrative i've said the word decentralized a lot this episode but sometimes you have to and sometimes an episode calls for that yes thank you but i feel like but like the whole the whole the whole like atmosphere of the episodes lately has been make sure we don't piss off candace yeah no i know i think that um i loved karen's impression of wendy walking down the stairs by the way so funny and um no i know i think that um but i think

actually it feels like why are you what is insane is for monique to be suing candace is crazy right yes so for ashley to be lending support to that moment to for someone to like truly beat the shit out of you and then be like i'm actually suing you because i beat the shit out of you it's crazy and um so for ashley to be like she deserves like for her to write this thing being like she's definitely not cool judge like um is kind of like actually like don't worry about it you know what i mean like i don't know that candace needs to be sued over this you know what i mean well okay so in my experience sharing a space digitally virtually with monique samuels oh yes what she's she's counter suing with with this, sort of testimony that Candace was the aggressor and she kind of actually even landed

the first blow, which from the footage we've seen is not true, but then Monique kept saying to Andy, like, I'm bringing receipts to the reunion. Oh my god. We shot this episode, like, before, and they just finished the reunion, and they say it might be four parts. Yeah. Yes, I saw that.

And so Monique's whole thing is, like is like bringing in actual undoctored footage quote unquote that candace was the first person to like start the fight but so she's not even saying that on the show though she's talking about this wine glass um oh yes even if candace sorry i mean there was definitely a long period of time where Hera could have been let go of you know what I mean I mean Monique was attacking her viciously and ran back to her yes yeah this being said

I am on team Monique but um and I think Karen's handling it with much aplomb yeah thank you um I just wanted to ask one more housewives question before we get before we bring the correspondent part of you in, which is, what are your thoughts on Kathy Hilton joining the Beverly Hills Housewives?

Is this just another way for them to pad Team Kyle, or do you think it'll get interesting? So Kyle's someone who is another one that I forgive kind of easily, and that's why me and Rinna have a strange relationship, because Rinna, something about her just drives me crazy. Like when she said, you're so angry. She could have been talking to me.

She could have been talking to me in that moment. Yeah, and she knows that. And that's why she is winning in that moment. You are, you are. You are, Pat. You are. So, and Kathy, I think, is what the fans have wanted for a long time. We want to see all three.

By the way, did you guys watch the Parasolton doc? Yes. I have not. A big part of the Parasolton doc is that she has like 18 laptops. And when asked why, she's like, I just, every time I break up with a guy, I have to get a new laptop because they might break into my old laptop. The logic doesn't make any sense at all. And it's like, okay, cool. I think that documentary is the reason why Kathy is finally doing the show.

Because I think that her reputation took a huge hit after that documentary came out. Because, yeah. You know, Angelo always says he wants Chris. And I do think... We don't need Chris. I don't think she'll ever do it. I think she might. do it no i think she might i mean she's done with e you know she will never do something that she cannot produce

there's no way she's not in control of her that's true she's never gonna allow her image to be manipulated by someone else now that she's made probably close to a billion dollars doing that herself yeah that's true that's true anyways i think kathy's good i know kathy has problems with rena i've seen that that's going on they're already feuding on social media so I think it's Rinna's come up into the season yeah it's time for Rinna to have a bit of a fall

I think and Garcelle I think this is what I think I think Kyle who's been photographed shooting with Garcelle is recruiting Garcelle because I think Kyle sees an opportunity to like bring Garcelle in because Garcelle because I think Kyle sees an opportunity to bring Garcelle in because Garcelle has a bad taste in her mouth re-Rinna from last

season. So I think that Garcelle will get kind of persuaded to join Team Richards, which includes Kathy and Kim. I feel like when two people are such foes one season, they end up being allies

because it's like, we saw that with Teddy and Dorit last season of Beverly Hills. And also Erica and Dorit. Erica and Dorit, and we were seeing that with Monique and Ashley. And so whatever. But the other thing is, one more thing

I have to say about Housewives, what I've noticed in me, pause for dramatic effect. This is huge. This is so beautiful. What I've noticed in me is for some reason I'm so drawn to the betas. Like, I love these Housewives that are, like, kind of the underlings of an alpha. And so, like, my favorite Housewives across the board are Robin, Dolores from Jersey, Stephanie from Dallas. Stephanie from Dallas is one of the queens.

She's one of my core. She's in my all-star cast. I loved Carol was huge for me. Bowen's a Carol. I'm a beta, I guess. No, no, no. I celebrate. I love... No. Carol falls in... You guys can be Carol

and Heather if you want for Halloween. You're saying that I should be Heather for Halloween? I see you two as Carol and Heather for Halloween. We might be that. For next year. And I'm Bethany. And I'm Bethany

should be title of ep. And I'm Bethany. And I do Bethany should be title of ep. Honestly, that should be title of ep. And I'm Bethany. And I do think that, logically, my favorite on Atlanta should be Cynthia, I feel like. But for some reason in Atlanta, the pattern is broken.

And my favorites on Atlanta are Portia and Kenya. Portia is the number one. Yeah. I mean, Portia is incredible. She should have a huge career in scripted. I'm going to go as far as to say that. Portia should have a huge career in scripted. See,

Portia, I think is an alpha who needs to be taken care of. And I feel like you, I think, I think that's very Pat. Yeah. Maybe I look for the ones who need taken care of. Maybe that's how I feel.

Maybe that's how I feel. I have a different take on Portia, which is that she's a beta who rose very quickly to alpha and too fast to where it was messy but now she's settled into her alpha status and it's enjoyable but she had a rocky road yeah i mean she literally monique kenya yeah she literally dragged her i loved when they were like getting along you know i saw joel I was went to sit in the audience of Joel's Watch What Happened Live and he was on with Kenya and I just

remember that was after the premiere of Atlanta so we hadn't seen it yet and Kenya was saying how her and Portia are in this great place and I'd love to hear it but now it seems like they're kind of um not anymore yeah I don't know if they'll ever be besties I hope I'm being interesting because I don't feel like I'm being funny.

Well, that's okay. Every time you come on. Three hours of sleep I got last night. Why? Why? I don't even understand why. Basically, we got in a crazy sleep schedule that somehow resulted in

two nights ago me sleeping from 4am to 1pm and then napping from 6pm to 8pm. So this is crazy.m and then napping from 6 p.m to 8 p.m so this is crazy so i could not fall asleep until almost 7 a.m and then i woke up at 10 a.m that's shocking what was it but what what what brought on the sleep schedule like the first domino falling it was the the first domino that did fall was um just quarantine and it happened eight months ago and now it's really learned behavior it's the first domino fell eight months ago right that's crazy every day since then has been another

domino what a sick kind of torturous time for the dominoes to keep falling i know so hard wait can i can i actually confront you about something oh of course that's why i came on the show i feel that um so this is this is something very sensitive to me oh my god i got really into survivor and i would often try to like engage with you about it and i felt that you shut me down repeatedly what i did not i used it and you're laughing and smiling and you know it's true and i feel that I can I say what I feel I feel that you thought I was trying to like take survivor being your thing and that was not the case Pat I

hear you first of all I don't feel survivors my thing even pause for pause for gravitas I think that um no it's Chris Kelly's thing it's Chris Kelly's thing it It's Chris Kelly's thing. It's our ultimate survivors.

Aaron Jackson's thing. No, that's, that's, that's, that's true. That's right. I think that what was poking at insecurity. Okay.

And now I'm getting vulnerable. Now I'm being Karen after she's had a couple. Yeah. Um, is saying you have like your clitoris. Yeah. Um, you, you two, I think,

are both very enthusiastic about the culture that you love, and that's what we, the universal we, love about you guys. But I think that Survivor is something that has always felt niche to me in this New York gay world. I see.

It suddenly felt like and Parvati was someone who was really special to me and important to me developmentally and yeah she is the reason that I came out and

I think that so I just think I was like you know how we all feel but you could draw the same comparison of I'm someone who got very into drag race very late in the game so it's the same comparisons could be drawn could they I'm here to say they can

I absolutely feel because in some way I was like wait after and I feel this way about Matt a lot of times where I'm like I've told you about this thing for years and now you're on board and now you're, now you're fully like kind of blossoming in this space that is untethered from like my,

like pushing this on you for years and years and years. Totally. I do. I acknowledged about drag race is that it is insane that I like truly for decades, decades, I'm aging myself with how long I haven't watched Drag Race. And I don't know what clicked.

You know what happened is I made it through. Because I remember watching the season seven premiere at Bowen's apartment back in the day and not connecting and not getting it. Yeah. And then one time at Lulu Krause's. Oh, we love lulu i um me and matt and henry watched a different season premiere an old one that i don't remember which one and i couldn't connect and then i tried to watch season four by myself one time and it was like the zombie thing

and i was like this is so long and i couldn't it was not the right time and place it was the chips have fallen in the right way now where you can enjoy it now in 2020 decades after everyone else i was watching with ann she was he was able to contextualize i could ask things like what were people saying at the time you know what i mean sometimes you just need that kind of what were someone to tell you what people were saying at the time because you obviously are watching you wanna it's like how did people feel about sharon i need to have that conversation i need someone to represent yeah and so i guess i guess so i guess so for me what i'm saying which is the reason why i brought this up is that i in literally almost exact same as you're

saying was sort of looking to engage with you my close friend about it and i felt that you you know would sort of one word answer or even worse lol me sometimes when i when i wanted to say like wow ken from millennials gen x is so hot or whatever yeah and so like you know that's i guess that's all i'm saying is i was hurt by it and um did that and the ball is in your court okay so i'm gonna take the ball dribble it a couple of times and start driving towards the hoop by saying that um i really saw it as a tennis ball i really saw it as a tennis ball oh i think that i think the ball is in your court i think i think the expression is basketball no yeah i've always thought basketball i'll have to ask i'll check in with the panel

oh no they say they're upset they're they can't agree one of them says basketball one of them says tennis who who's saying who's saying what megan is sort of very loudly saying it's basketball and abby is sort of very quietly saying she thinks it's tennis and um unfortunately that's three votes for bath that's still three votes for basketball two votes for okay so it's basketball all right so now so anyway what are you going to do with the ball no i acknowledge that i that. I understand where you felt that. I think there was discomfort, but I do think, and I'm not saying this is your fault, but this is where it's coming from. It was very much like

a very public sort of... I get this. And I think because, to me, it's different in this way. Like, Drag Race is something that in our little circle is very celebrated and everyone watches them. But not Survivor. For me to like Drag Race doesn't feel like I'm claiming it.

And then because Survivor was something that's been so... I could only talk to a couple people about for all these years. I'm sorry if I start crying. You thought like, who does this bitch think he is? And all of a sudden now it's so publicly and so enthusiastically

like... A thing for me like for some thing of that poked at something in me okay and that happens we're all human beings pat i want to first of all matt i want to say that i share i share in this i share in this sort of um confoundedness around pat's sort of disinterest in engaging. I can't say I understand still to this moment. That's okay. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. And then I want to say, Pat, thank you so much for so

cogently putting that into words. But I gotta say, I understand this completely from Pat's point of view. Completely. You have to understand this is the time when I, you know,

whatever. You guys had this huge platform where you're getting to talk to heroes of mine. Of course, there's jealousy there. Do you want to talk, can I tell you something?

I would, there was a part of me that was like, we should bring Pat into the Parvati episode and that would have been such a moment. But then,

when all my text works started going unresponded to and that's a lesson and that's a lesson I understand that was immature but I'm messy and I'm imperfect and I'm so stupid what housewife does this make you

oh gosh it makes me a little bit I think I could see Bethany doing this this is a little bit Bethany Sonia season 8 cheater brand tipsy girl vodka tipsy girl tequila this is a little bit um bethany sonia season eight cheater brand tipsy girl vodka tipsy girl oh yeah i got you i got a little bit of that yeah screaming at this is me screaming at you sending you down to my elevator you're sobbing um because i because i called my thing tipsy girl because you called your thing tipsy girl but i i'm not i am not expressing um that i think i was correct i'm just saying that that was probably where it was coming that's kind of an iconic way to say sorry i am not expressing that i think i was correct

see as a fellow as a fellow scorpio who could be a meredith like i really i get this thank you and that's when it's so helpful to have another scorpio who could be meredith like around just to kind of co-sign say you're a girl you're not crazy that's just what it is to be a scorpio who could be a meredith and um and as me uh of pisces who just wants to love you know what i mean like it's so sometimes i just love too hard about you i will say this about matt rogers i do think you're very good at coming from a place of abundance and not feeling so much jealous like it you never seem jealous or bitter which is i think a skill that i have not mastered you always seem interested in like um you never seem territorial territorial you always seem like you want to lift lift the tides which i i do i don't for me he does for me i let fear come in

and i say you have some I don't have as much. You know what I mean? But Pat, what you should know, and I'm going to throw a superlative out there. But what Pat should know is that despite, irrespective of that jealous instinct, I think anyone would want to hear what you have to say about anything. Oh my God. Which is why I rushed out. Which is why.

Yes, I understand. And that's where this is coming from. We're like, I want to know what Pat thinks of this. I know. I don't know what it was. I know what you guys are saying. Babe, you don't have to explain it any further. I think you've explained it.

I wish I could build a machine and go back in time. But you can't. But I can't build a machine. As Camille Grammer once said, and now've explained it. I wish I could build a machine and go back in time. But you can't. But I can't build a machine. As Camille Grammer once said, and now we've said it. And now we've said it. And if I could build a machine, I would. But I can't build a machine. And if I could, I wouldn't want to.

Because life is beautiful as it happens. And the book is being written every second. Preach, sister. Now, before we move on to I Don think so honey we say that i need to know you as our graze and adam you lost culture resource correspondent what is going on we know that some some shit went down yes um wait so i'm actually a bad correspondent i'm bad at my full-time job which these which i do get paid 250 000 a year for I'm on salary at Las Colas Races. I get $250,000 a year to correspond on Grey's. Money we have.

And I, you know, haven't really finished the premiere yet. And I go through this with Grey's. Shout out to one of the funniest people I've met recently, Ariel Cartland. If she's listening, I'm not sure if she'll listen. Shout out to Ariel. She's very funny. You guys know Ariel Cartland? Yes, we dolin she's so funny

and she told me she's also current on Grey's and she is the one who told me this but on Grey's Twitter there was talk of and spoiler alert if you don't want to even lose spoilers shut your ears now and Bowen that's how you do it and

so there's a list of characters that do have IMDB credits this season that are mind-blowing. These characters include Izzy Stevens, George O'Malley, Adele. And by the way, when Ariel sent me this list, I thought I was thinking of Adele the singer

and I was like, wow, amazing. No, but it's Loretta Devine. It's Loretta Devine, but I was like, i was like wow and i was like wow an amazing stunt casting and adele adele would be a great patient on grace i could see a grace i feel like my head hurts i could see adele coming in as like herself essentially like as a big singer in the world and like yeah it has to perform like throat surgery on her you know what i mean can't you see that yeah i you see that? Yeah, I can see that.

They've done that, for sure. She would say, I need my throat did. I think that they did an episode where, I think it was Derek, it might have been his sister, had to do a brain surgery on someone who loved to play guitar. And the person didn't want him to clip out the piece of his brain that played guitar.

So Derek had him be awake and playing guitar the whole time he was operating on his brain they're iconic and ridiculous he would know what not to cut out it's a stock narrative where it's like a performer comes in

that the surgeon might like Burke operated on a on like a horn a sax player a trumpet player that he loved he'd operate on an yeah yeah it's a trope within gray's of that's like a very interesting way of raising the stakes i will say of surgery which already some would say have high stakes oh very high stakes i think gray's needs to stop with the exceptionalism guess guess what if someone is in a world-class saxophone player their hands still matter absolutely all hands matter all hands say that stop say that say that wait okay so okay so we be izzy george adele tally arizona um i've heard christina christina christina was the other huge

one wow basically what this fear is right right, that they're going to try to do Zoom Hangouts or something, that they're going to, it's going to be Zoom from Christina. That's certainly my fear. The other fear is that... They did that with Christina, though, where she was, like, in, she was already in another hospital, and her and Meredith were FaceTiming all the time. Yes, they've done that,

and they also did a thing where Christina was in a cold city with, um, the actor who played Mr. Fanny on Boy Meets World. And she only could talk to Mary Doth on the phone for a few episodes. Yes, that's right. That's right. That was before she finally left. So it's interesting.

I mean, I think that what the question is, are they saying these are the end times? Like, is Grace ending? Oh, and Catherine. Oh, yeah. We already talked about Catherine coming back. Yeah, she Grey's huge. Well, I've always felt like Grey's is sexist. Because if we're going to bring back Derek, who is bad on

set, if we're going to bring back Isaiah, who is bad on set and said fag, could we have to then bring back Izzy, unfortunately, who ultimately had an annoying mom? And never said fag. I never said fag to anyone. I agree with you wholeheartedly. I think I would love to see Katherine Heigl as Izzy back playing her iconic character.

I mean, that is how we all fell in love with her. And many of us are still in love with Katherine Heigl. And we would like, we wish the best for her. I just would love, yes. We wish that we ultimately, whatever she was going through during that time in her life, we wish the best for her. Some of us have like bitchy years. You know what I mean?

Like, I think my bitchy years were like my like early 20s i think were my like bitchy years right and my bitchy years were definitely my mid to late wouldn't you agree well you weren't being a bitch really i just thought you and i you know what you probably were being a bitch to people you weren't being a bitch to me i wasn't being a bitch to you but i definitely was being a bitch to people. You weren't being a bitch to me. I wasn't being a bitch to you, but I definitely was being a bitch to people. This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up. Think you've seen it all? I don't think you've been a good friend to me lately.

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Dragged. I'm NK, and this is Basket Case. So I basically had what back in the day they would call a nervous breakdown. I was crying and I was inconsolable. It was just very big, sudden swaps of different meds. What is wrong with me? Oh, look at you giving me therapy, girl. Finally, a show for the mentally ill girlies.

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This is the segment, which is a 60-second segment, where we take something and you know rail against it in pop culture and we sort of go hashtag off as they say and it makes up a segment called i don't think so honey so i am ready with my i don't thinks okay so this is matt rogers and he has his i don't think so honey and his time starts now i don't think so honey candace owens and all the fucking fools saying that harry styles is not representing masculinity when he wears a goddamn gown and which let me just say by the way he looks stunning and let me just list a few people who have done androgyny in the past do your fucking homework how about miss prince how about miss david bowie

bitch how about adam lambert how about all these people regardless of their sexual orientations who have dressed gender band this is a part of not only pop culture and pop music but rock music it says fuck you to anything so i don't think so honey candace owens and i don't think so honey ben shapiro as if we should care what either of you have to say by the way i don't think so, honey, Candace Owens. And I don't think so, honey, Ben Shapiro. As if we should care what either of you have to say. By the way, I don't think so, honey, Ben Shapiro, who bragged last year about not being able to get his wife wet. And now you're going to be the authority on what's fucking masculine? Get the fuck out of here. And also, I don't think so, honey, Candy Cohen.

Stop conflating socialism, in quotes, with the downfall of masculinity. Shut up. You are so stupid. And that's one minute. Her name is nowforth candy cohen no longer candace owen let me tell you something candy cohen i remember because i heard candy and i randomly thought you were changing yours and doing candy burris like all of a sudden no but i have done i literally have done i don't think so honey candy burris in the past oh really yeah because i didn't think i didn't think she i didn't think she should have had another kid when her daughters were like please don't um but anyway but it's also

none of my fucking business um but yeah i couldn't stand all this stuff the controversy about like harry styles looking stunning like wearing whatever the fuck he wants and you know who doesn't give a fuck about this harry styles so no one's no one's gonna bother him he does he's so unaffected by this but that's the thing too it's like wait this is not a new conversation and it's just like i don't know like maybe maybe just to connect the theme to potomac it's just sort of ripping the sutures of old wounds wouldn't you say i i think that um you know, I think this is a prophecy being fulfilled. I think this is the third of a trilogy of the dress scandals. I think we had Monica Lewinsky.

I think we had the, what color is that dress? The dress. I think now we have our third dress scandal. And I think there's a narrative thread there. And I think this randomly is a satisfying ending of it. I agree. It feels like there's finally it feels like there was

so much moral ambiguity in what colorists addressed right? That was the theme. It was like who's right who's wrong. Moral relativism. And now. A nation divided. A nation divided. And then in Monica it felt like there wasn't moral relativism. It felt like it was very moral but like on the wrong side. Like we all

burned this woman down at the stake and then everyone was wrong and she like on the wrong side like we all burned this woman down at the stake and then everyone was wrong and she was on the right side of that dress scandal and now this dress scandal we're finally all coming together and saying no Candace Burris Candace no Candace Burris

it's actually great that we forgot her name so I thought she was she started as Candace Owens she became Candyhen and then now she's candace burris um so i i sort of love like taking her own name away from her because she's a damn fool that's a new trilogy that's very satisfying in its conclusion hugely satisfying i've known for years there would be another dress thing by the way i. I knew you knew. Very Nostradamus-like. Very Nostradamus vibes.

In that way. And honestly, that's why Pat is able to say something, and I'm Bethany, period. And just get away with it. And I'm Bethany. We have to trust. Okay, so, Bowen Yang, it's time for your I Don't Think So, Honey. Do you have it? I do, I do.

All right, well, that being the case, Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So, Honey. Do you have it? I do. I do. All right. Well, that being the case, Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So, Honey, your time starts now. I Don't Think So, Honey diptych employs the world over. I've gone to several diptych stores all across the world. New York, Brooklyn, Los Angeles,

Charles de Gaulle Airport, honey. And every employee I've met there has been sort of judgmental in some way, in some form. And I don't think that's a valuable part of the culture. That is not part of, that should not be part of the value proposition. I do not find value in buying a candle from someone who was rude to me at the store. 30 seconds. Okay?

I want to buy my, you know, jasmine, my feu de bois, my ba boy my bay even iconically and i want to buy it and have it be a pleasant retail experience i am risking my life 15 seconds your store in these times and for you to still uphold that culture is toxic and yes poisonous i know i'm i i look i am a synonym but i i think i think it's worth emphasizing that point that you are all poisonous, poisonous people. And that's one minute. All employees of Diptyque have now been called poisonous. What is, I think I'm going to speak for a lot of people out there. Yes, what is Diptyque?

When I ask, what is Diptyque? I'm so relieved to know I'm not the only one who doesn't know. What is it? They're a parfumerie. They make candles. They make lovely candles, iconic candles even. And I've really been on a candles kick. I love candles.

You know, I tried to, you know, Le Labo, which is a different. Yeah, Le Labo. We know that. On recommendation of my therapist, I went into the lab to purchase a birthday gift for my sexual partner last year, or my same-sex sexual partner, no less. And I walked in, and it was also, for me, just so judgmental.

I walk in, I go, these are some of the scents that he likes. Can you help me pick a gift? And he was like, I actually would never, ever recommend doing that, because you never know how it's going to combine with his body chemistry. And it could be really wrong. You could be really wrong if you try to guess.

And so I was like, okay, well, I just want to give him something. It's like I've been dating for like six months. I just want to give him a gift. And he's like, I just can't. I can't just help him with his wax. He couldn't make a recommendation at the own store he worked at? So he literally was like, I had to get like a sampler platter of like a bunch of little different ones. And then I gave it. My boyfriend's like a sampler platter of like a bunch of little different ones. And then I gave it.

My workman's like now has like eight drops of like 30 different sets. Did you get that Lilabo employee's name? No, I didn't. But I wish I did. You should have. Because one of Bowen's favorite things is to name employees that have wronged him by name on the pod. No, I don't do that. You've done it several times bowen once my last episode

that i was here yes you did it about a ski person yeah ski employee todd but i but i and that i don't think so honey it was the first time i ever said seek treatment because i said see treatment to that episode that episode was called seek treatment yeah um interesting i interesting where you guys just start i i know i i don't want this narrative to hold where i am using the podcast as a way to air out my my oh then you shouldn't behave the way you behave no i'm i'm i'm not misbehaving when i go by these things. Ain't misbehavin'. Also, that's horrid. Body chemistry is a lie. It's a lie.

It's a lie that is being made up by perfumeries. Like, it'll smell the same on anybody. I recommended Matt as a fragrance that I love, and then he loved it, too. I like it, too. And I like it, too. I think if someone comes into your shop and says, can you please just help me pick one out?

It's like, just help them pick one out. You know what I mean? Like just. To me, shields down, shields down. Shields down. Whoever this guy was, I think he had something in it for you. And I even did the thing where I was like, it's for my boyfriend because I could tell he was gay.

And I thought that would kind of establish some sort of like camaraderie. No, you started a turf war is what you started yeah i started a huge turf war and it kind of felt almost like i wasn't the kind of gay he wanted in his store because i had a backpack on oh my god you need to tell him you know what define normal i want to see divine normal is it a slang is it a messenger bag is it a tote because guess what i use a backpack around this town exactly and that doesn't make me any worse than you mr lay labo as i'll call you well he's already sort of popping off so we're going to transition from this directly into pat regan's i don't think so honey now you you're sort of um you're sort of a renowned i don't think so honey or you did win culture war but i do always say

that my um i've retired officially and this longer, it doesn't affect my legacy. These are all exhibitions now. So really, in the masterclass that is you in the entertainment industry, this is not a part of that. This is really just for fun. This won't be included, and this won't be reflected in my rate that I've received from masterclass.

You are the Nicki Minaj, if I don't think so, honey. You've technically retired, but your output will still be somewhat consistent. Even more so. All this being said, it's time for Pat Regan's I Don't Think So Honey. And his time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey, Apple the company. It's a classic for a reason.

They suck. They literally want their customers to die a gruesome, bloody death. That's how much they abhor their customers. They get away with this certain thing of not being quite as bad as Amazon, but it's like, you suck so much, and you better get down your ass, and thank God Jeffrey Bezos exists.

Which distracts everyone from going for you, Apple, because I'll tell you what happened. On election night 2020, I was moving a dresser with my same-sex sexual partner i sat down for one single second on my uh 15 inch macbook pro computer and yeah the lcd screen broke and it was the one year anniversary of when i got that computer so yes it was the day my warranty ran out and what i will say is every single person in apple i've talked to has been unhelpful except for the men and women who work in those stores where I celebrate

those geniuses I love but what I will say is I sent them my computer a week ago and they still haven't checked it in they still haven't they have my computer

they haven't checked it in and that's one minute I don't think so honey Apple the company and Steve Jobs you can take your turtlenecks and shove them up your ass

rest in power my god Steve Jobs rest in power. Rest in power, Steve Jobs. Rest in power. Rest in power to Steve Jobs. And who else did I... Wozniak, that one. This episode, I told someone to rest in power earlier on. I don't know, I forget.

Oh, Wes Andrews. No, no. No, Wes Craven. Wes Craven, sorry. We have to really... We have to sort of do an an episode soon which is who's dead who's not because we've said so many people that were that are dead that are not dead yeah yeah wait but yeah well first of all can we say number one apple the company found dead

number two that sucks for all your subscribers on your masterclass that wasn't part of it because i think it would have been a worthy thing. Number three, I have a question for both of you. Yeah. Well, not really for Bowen since he has a 12. But Patrick, has your phone started to sort of like act weird? By the way, first of all, Bowen, if you have a 12, you're centrist. Thank you. Bowen is DNC.

My phone has started acting weird. Yeah, it's got slower, right? This is what happens every year with the new with the new os well it's happening again this year is no different we can what do you have i have 10r i have 10r for the longest time i had se between a five and a six it was a huge part of my brand and then i finally last summer made the choice i'm really happy you're out of that stage of your life um but it was, I'm heartened to hear that. It's not just me. That's sort of whenever I'm texting, it's like the letters don't show up in like,

Oh no, that's been happening for me too. Yeah. It's just like Apple needs to like, just you have enough money. Like just let us have our products. And like, they try to capture you for lifelong.

Like it's impossible. Well, they have, they have, it's a monopoly. It's not okay. There needs to be fair competition in this space.

And that's why I'm launching an electronics and computer brand. Called Fair Fight. Called Fair Fight. And it's going to be completely run by stupid gays who don't know computers. And we together will build a new world. That is collectivist at its finest.

Collectivism is at its finest. Thank you. Collectivista. La collectivista. It's just like the way Apple's treating me with this computer is like... Slit. So bad.

It's bad. It just really hasn't felt good. And I'm paying them a lot of money. So disappointed. So disappointed. So disappointed in them, you know? It's just knowing that there's no recourse. So disappointed. So disappointed in them. It's just knowing that there's no recourse. They're just unchecked power.

I know. Apple is unchecked power. And you said it, sister. Say that. Say that. I finally had to say it. I never wanted to say that. I had to finally say it. And now we said it. Patrick, final words, closing thoughts for all the readers,

now that you're back. Because we can say you are you are fucking back. The bitch is back. I think you're back in a big way. The bitch is back in a big way. In a major way. Yeah, I think what I would say to my listeners, first and foremost, is I'm back on Cameo. And it's that holiday season. And yeah. It's that holiday season and um

yeah I know that you've already seen me in my upcoming projects but continue to look for me in them I'm not gonna say too much more about what's coming but you guys hold tight and um my final words are hold tight

Pat we've all missed you so much My final words are hold tight. Pat. Oh, Pat, we've all missed you so much. I'm so glad. Yeah, this is our fourth episode together. And I know that you guys sometimes don't count the last episode in the episode total. But I do count it. I do count it.

I've actually turned a corner and I count it. Oh, my God. This is episode five. See, and that shows that Beau and Ken. Wait, no. Beau can grow. It's God. This is episode five. See, and that shows that Beau and Ken, Beau can grow. It's actually real culture number 106. Beau can grow.

No, this is five, including the last episode. No, last episode, can we talk about Nicolette? Nicolette. And then there was one more. Seek treatment, which Netflix has taken off the air.

And Netflix has removed that episode. And then Seek Culture. The many Seek Cultures and the many times you've co-hosted with us. You might be the preeminent Last Culture Recess guest, and I have an announcement. Oh my god. The panel is telling me that Pat Regan has yet again

won the Las Culturistas Icon Award. Oh my god. As per accepting it, I would like to say first and foremost that awards are so silly. And this thing that you're doing right now is beautiful, but I don't care about it. But it also means so much and it means more than any other one

because I'm the oldest and Bo I think you can agree that it is now custom for you know how we always end the episode with a song but it is now custom that the culture award winner

ends the episode with a song. Chooses the song. Or you can initiate the song. You can sing with us. Is it a song of pop culture or is it an original track? Whatever you want. It can be whatever. Oh my gosh, okay.

Staring at the blank page before you open up the dirty window this is the valid version sunroom and make the words that you cannot find reaching for something in that distance so close you can almost

taste it feel the rain feel the rain and if you want to hear the rest of that song you can listen to Natasha Bedingfield's CD. Bye. Bye. I'm Julian Edelman.

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