Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Apples and Judaism" (w/ Ben Platt)

Episode Date: November 13, 2019

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Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong, Las Culturistas calling. And I have a question. Yes? When are we going to go see Kelly in Vegas? Okay, I just learned about this moments ago.

I can't believe, and that's how I know I'm in like a special Kelly bubble. Absolutely. And you're not? Are you still on the message boards? Is that what's going on? I am not frequenting the KCMB as of late. KCMB. The Kelly Clarkson message boards.

Yes, I deduced. Not a long walk to what that is. There's probably a subreddit that you love, and it's probably toxic, but they probably love Kelly as much as you do. I would say there's not a lot of toxicity amongst Kelly fans. I don't know about that. You know, they're a God-fearing folk.

They really, they're really good. And there's toxicity in religion. Well, that's true. I mean, listen, if this They're very, you know, they're a God-fearing folk. They really, they're really good. And there's toxicity in religion. Well, that's true. I mean, listen, if this is going to become a whole other podcast, we can do that. I tweeted,

do you want to know, before you, I'm sorry, before you go on, I just have to say that I tweeted something that I immediately deleted last night. Oh, I love that.

I said, tolerant religious people are hot and or are graded on a curve that is very generous. yeah i might delete this and then and then i tweeted and then i like just to cover my bases i replied to myself and i go this is all consonant with the idea that organized religion has caused war and

countless immeasurable suffering now why did you delete it this all sounds very cogent because then all these people were like someone was like it's you're talking about it's christianity in particular it's like oh god and then everyone and then people just came in and they were like not letting me say that hot like tolerant religious people were attracted yeah but bowen yang can i say something to you yes you were trying it you were trying to start a fire i was not trying to start a fire los angeles itself oh you were on fire and you wanted people to... I was a gender reveal party, gone wrong. Cut the Los Angeles comment. Yeah, that's sad. I think that you sometimes will just...

I think you will... Light a cigarette. Here's what I think you'll do. I think you'll light a cigarette and you'll toss it away and you won't put it out. If a little fire starts, who's responsible? That's never happened. Anyway.

Okay, so when are we seeing Kelly? I can't believe that you didn't know this but she is going to be starting a residency at the zappos theater which is the same place i saw christina aguilera who the vocals are intact yes we we stand christina live we know for a fact the vocals are intact for kelly oh so you said april is when she starts big time big time april first and then she made a cute joke about how this is not an april fool's joke yeah yeah it was it was lightly funny um and then i i said well let me go right to the to the website for tickets and i do have like a special code that i can type in so i can see things before the general public then she's only doing like nine

shows she's like i have a residency She's like, I have a residency. It's like two and a half shows. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we have to pick. We have to pick. Oh, but it's only in April? April, May, June, July, September. But I'm telling you, it's like... Maybe I gotta do June. Sprinkled throughout.

Maybe a June Vegas trip sounds like a nightmare weather-wise. It sounds absolutely insane. But it sounds like it could be fun. I don't know, do a buffet or... Oh, I would love to do a buffet. I would love to do a buffet. You know, the last time I was at Vegas,

I was in a studio when I was on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire. Yes. And you guys went to P.F. Chang's. And, well, the idea was that... Well, no, I went to P.F. Chang's with Dave. So, yes. Oh, yes, yes, yes.

I did make it to P.F. Chang's. Famously, not a buffet. Great, great. A whole other thing entirely. I'm aware. But the time before that, I was in a studio to be on Millionaire. And then we got drunk at the pool.

Yes. And our plan was to go to the all-you-can-eat buffet together, but I ended up going by myself. And let me say that being at an all-you-can-eat buffet in Las Vegas by yourself at 11 p.m. on a Tuesday is sad. It makes you feel bad. Yeah. And I bravely just sang in front of our guests. Oh, my God. The nerve. It's sad, it makes you feel bad Yeah And I bravely just sang in front of our guest Oh my god, the nerve It's insane, I should be shot in the streets

You should be shot in the streets I should be hung, I should be drawn in quarters Come on, don't, this imagery's sad This is violent imagery And our guest, what a damn star Speaking of Kelly Clarkson Recently our guest actually had a duet with Kelly Clarkson Which I'm gonna ask about we gotta ask about the duet

and here's the thing loving Kelly as I do she may have been a little bit outshone in that duet not that singing is a competition it's actually rule of culture number eight not that singing is a competition but our guest is he goes like well sometimes

our guest is I think one of the most beautiful singers that, one of the most beautiful singers. One of the most beautiful singers that exists. Tony Award winner. Tony Award winner. Not even just like a, not for nothing, like a recent Tony wins that are like,

yeah, cool, you had to give them one at some point, so they won for this. But this is like, he won for an iconic performance. And you know it. So iconic that like, just hordes and hordes of adolescents. And adults alike.

We just had our guest Taylor Trench on who also did the role after our iconic guest. I mean, we've been stacking the damn guests lately. We've been having a lot of Evan Hansens in the studio. A lot of Evan Hansens in the studio. Can I say something? You know, I know a lot, a lot of Ernsts. Yeah.

I have a lot of Ernsts in my contact list. What do you think that says? Ben Moss is an Ernst? Yeah. What do you think that says? Blake Daniels is an Ernst? Yes.

Yes. They go, I go, they go on. Taylor was an Ernst? Was, I think Taylor might've been an Ernst. No,

no, no. Taylor was a, Melchior? No. Moritz. Taylor was a Moritz. Yes,

yes, yes, yes. Different. Of course, Hanschen is the top. Ernst is the bottom. And Moritz is... More like fluid. Fluid.

Fluid like the trees. Fluid like the trees. This is... I mean, this is a huge, huge deal. Season two of The Politician, now in production. Now in production, honey. You can watch season one of The Politician right now. He happens to top line the series. And this is one that also has fucking

Gwyneth Paltrow and Jessica Lange in it. So imagine to top line that. A true star. He's topping two Oscars. And then he's topping two Oscars. Honestly, my dream whoa

look at those and then butts on those statues and then god I just can't wait do you have you heard the album Sing to Me Instead

have you heard the single The Rain Sing to Me Instead beautiful album I want to say really quickly I can't wait for the technology to be there someday for

it to be possible to top two people at the same time actually I actually I have scientists working on that right now yes I recently come into someday for it to be possible to top two people at the same time. Actually, I actually have, I have scientists working on that right now. Yes. I recently come in.

You have a secret code. And I have, I have, I have my, I've used all my resources to, you have a secret code that you can plug into like a promotional, a promotional box or something. What it is is,

and this is how, this is how it is. And stay with me here. I don't even know. It's a retinal scanner. Oh, so you look them in their eyes and they get a second butthole.

Yes. No, that's not. No, it's you have to get a second dick. Oh, no. Let me get to the lab. Lab now. I have to tell them. Matt just left.

Okay, I'm so sorry. Politician. Oh, great. You could take a bite out of this show. That's how rich it is. And here we go. It's like a damn cake. Here's the fucking gag for me.

Gag. To be in a Sondheim film. I mean, that is the end all be all. And can I tell you who we stan in this house? Miss Beanie. Beanie. Miss Beanie. We fucking stan Beanie in this house.

And we love Booksmart. We love Booksmart. And we love Lady Bird. Miss Noah, Miss Molly. We stand Miss Noah too. And they had a nice four person Halloween costume. Let me tell you something. I told you about when I saw Miss Noah in Waitress. Yes. Burned down.

You were blown away. Killed it. Blown away. Oh and can I just out our friend Pat Regan. Out him friend Pat Regan? Out him. Pat Regan's gay. So Molly Gordon was at. Who we stan. Who we stan was at the SNL after party that I brought Pat along to. Oh my God.

What did you do? And then I see Molly. I go, Molly! And then she comes over, says hi, and is starstruck to see Pat. Gorgeous. She's obsessed. And they start talking. And then she walks away and then pat runs over to me and goes wait who is wait who was that i was like pat like

you were just like a 10 minute conversation with her he's truly asleep and then i told her who she was and she was like oh yeah i love her i was like yeah oh yeah yeah um but wait so and also our guest our guest will be our guest on the sea culture live event which will happen as of this tapering it's happening tonight so we'll see we'll see what's gonna go down but we're very excited and i am so excited so excited to welcome to las culturistas ben platt hello hi even just like it's it's so crazy because for you to be here and to know there's people out there oh that are like looking for you right now not really no they are they are they were waiting outside your dear evan hentz the whole time you were in it that was like chaos that was the worst. With stage door crazy, crazy every night.

Yes. I stopped going pretty shortly after it started. It was also, it was like December. It was really cold. And like, I was trying to sing that thing all the time, like eight times a week. And yeah, it became like such a, like an event to go out there. And also people who didn't see the show would come and just stand at the door. Just to like, be like, we know this is the place to be.

And have me sign the back of like a Natasha Pierre pierre playbill and i was just like no honey i'm going home no honey so basically okay so you talk about singing it we talked with taylor about this wait can i just say about kelly that when i sang with her she like whispered to me and she was like by the way i'm doing a right vegas residency like don't tell anyone i was like, by the way, I'm doing a right Vegas residency. Like don't tell anyone. I was like, what? Is this really news? Oh my God. She like led up to it and it was like this big event. But she doesn't have time to really do a residency because she's doing

her own Ellen grooming to take over for Ellen Talk Show. And the fucking voice. So it's like, okay, I understand that it's nine shows and we're calling it a residency, but I'm here for it. I'm here for it too and we're gonna go. Wait, but I'm here for it. I'm here for it too. And we're going to go. Wait, but now that you've brought up Kelly.

Yeah. So can you talk about the experience of being on the Kelly Clarkson show? This is, this is huge for me. Of course. It's, it's really new. Like it's brand new.

So like you can tell that they're all still sort of like finding their footing, but everybody across the board is like, just as like bubbly and kind and sweet as she is. You can tell that like whatever meeting they had at the beginning, it was very important to her that like everybody be treated like very kindly. It's very colorful there. It's really sweet. It's definitely very like middle America.

Like let's talk about the state fair. Let's talk about Jesus. Like my other guest on my show is Tyler Perry. And we were talking a lot about like God's intervention in our lives. And I was like, I don't know if I'm on the same page, but like I'm here for all of you. That's good.

Um, and it's, yeah, it's very positive. Very daytime. Yeah. Yeah. But wonderful.

That's what Darcy said. Darcy texted me and Darcy Carden was also on the show. She's the best. And so she was like, okay, was just on Kelly Clarkson show. I thought of you the whole time. And you should know that she's the sweetest person ever.

And you know, Jill Kim booster is going on. I think this week. Yes. He's like, you need to come with me. And I'm like, Kim Booster is going on I think this week. Yes. He's like, you need to come with me and I'm like, I'm not coming with you.

On his Sunnyside tour? On Hulu's Sunnyside. Yes, yes. Why, what, we've talked about this ad nauseum. What is the ideal scenario

for you to ever meet her? You cannot keep avoiding this. Me? Really? Yeah. Well, we'll go to the show and then you can meet there.

Is that bad? I think, I think, here's what's gonna happen. You will come with us to Vegas. Okay, great. So we'll all go to Vegas and then you can meet there is that bad I think here's what's gonna happen you will come with us to Vegas okay great so we'll all go to Vegas and then it'll be like

well then Platt wants to go back to see Kelly and then it'll be like well duh and so I'll be like I guess I'll go and then maybe I'll go back then at that time

but here's the thing I don't think you'd want to be around me or I don't know if I'd want you to be around me because I will break down and cry

and it'll be very embarrassing. We both want to see it. I definitely I absolutely have to be there to see this and then Ben will of course. All right. So light plans are we're going to see her on one of her night. Honestly light plans. What I say light

plans. No, it's not a light plan. I can go to Vegas. No, no, no. It's a light plan because the tickets are in plot. Just culture right now, right off the top. It's a light plan. April's good for me, if it's good for you. What if we went on April 1st itself? Is that the first show?

Okay, great. April fools, we're here. April fools, we're literally here in Vegas. Jared is going to die. You know Jared. I do. I got to, when he was first shopping around the amazing script that he had, when it was going to die. And you know Jared. I do. I do. I got to, when he was first like shopping around the amazing script that he had,

when it was going to be like a TV situation, we met and talked about it. And I was just a fan of how smart and funny and great he is. He's a very good boy. And Jewish. And Jewish. Which is nice. And you also ran into each other at my favorite place, Oil Can Harry's.

Have you been to Oil Can Harry's? I've been to the one in Austin, not the one in LA. It's the only place that I can stand to be in los angeles really at night yes oh okay talk about this talk about this what's what's what's the pain point it's just like very unadorned and it's very like come and be and just like dance and have no inhibitions and like not in a place where everyone's like daggering me yeah like that can happen there and has happened there but that's not like the purpose of going

it's a much freer experience also it's in Studio City on a street where it's like strip malls and everything is closed and it's just Oylka and Harry's and nothing else

so it's not like you're gonna hop from place to place it's like this is the night and also there's like they do a really fun disco night and can I tell you

who I ran into at disco night one time who so I'm friends with Travis Coles and Liza Koshy oh yes they're perfect

and Kimiko Glenn wow ice damn Kimiko I love did you see Oyster at the beginning when she was in it

no she was great but I've since watched many a YouTube video of her singing when he sees me when he sees me

which I feel like is I love that song the way in the recording she says facts and figures yeah so great she has this beautiful like you're not sure if it's a mix or a belt I love that song. The way in the recording she says, facts and figures. Yeah.

She has this beautiful, like you're not sure if it's a mix or a belt, but it's all in the one place kind of a voice. And I really love it. It's like, yeah, it's kind of like you, sorry.

It's kind of like whenever you're around, like, and this is how you know, like we are shit singers is because whenever you're around, like a real singer, it's like the sound is like so much smaller than you think it's going to be. And you're like, Oh,

how it's that easy for you. Like I just did, we recorded a game show as a series for Quibi and our house band is this is the, I, the joke is that are the roots is this one female singer who's a slay. Tell me if you remember this person, her name is Vonzel Solomon. Yes. A hundred percent.

Wow. So Vonzel, no, I don't think the Wow. Thank you. So Vanzel. Idol fame, no? Idol fame. The iconic. Thank you. Season three. Second runner up.

After Carrie and Bo. Season four. Season four. Season four. I'm sorry. Season three was, of course, Fantasia moment. But she. When you listen to her, like when the like recordings of her, you watch her sing on American Idol, you would think she is like the loudest voice in the world.

Yes. And then I'm around her and I'm like, you're like, it's so, it's pure and it's not, it's private. It's private. And it's,

it's, it's intimate. It's trusting that mic. Trusting that mic. Cause that's how you make it sustainable. The singing is, you can't, you can't always rely on your own diaphragm.

Okay. Okay. So actually i think it's going to be rule of culture rule of culture number 13 it's trusting that mic trusting that mic were you because you you start you played winthrop i did play winthrop so you were he's been singing since he was a but a child a sweet child a wee wee child like i always think about kids singing and how i always think about kids i always think about kids singing and how... I always think about kids singing. I always think about kids singing.

Just on my way here. Just on my way here, I was thinking about a child singing a song. No, but it's like, where does that... Like, when does it become a conscious thing and when is it just like you're singing? Right. I've thought about it. I mean, I think like it's very instinctual for a really long time and then I just remember doing Oliver when I was

like 7 or 8 and singing Where's Love and then like hitting the last note and being like oh I know this is a good note and then I've really hit something that this is clear and like I've reached a register that I like and then from that point on it was like oh there's like a skill involved that's beautiful and then

all I wanted was a vibrato for Christmas honestly when did you get your vibrato for Christmas. Yeah. Honestly. When did you get your vibrato for Christmas? For Hanukkah, to be fair. For Hanukkah, yeah. I got it when I was playing Harold Hill in The Music Man. Yes, of course. When I was 11 years old.

During 76 Trombones, it popped out and I was like, finally. Wow. And then honestly, I have to say, you've kept that gift. Oh my God. And what, you were like, how old were you? When that happened? When that happened. Like Oh my god, and how old were you? When that happened? When that happened. Like 11.

10, 11. 11 years old, fucking singing You Got Trouble, and just blah, blah, blah. I love that show. I love that show. Me too. I'm excited for Hugh and Sutton. Oh, yeah. You know who I saw do the music, man?

Eric McCormick. Oh. That's who was my Harold Hill. Really? At the Hollywood Bowl. Is this the one you're talking about? Okay, so I saw it on Broadway. Oh my god i got excited it was no actually but no but i would have loved to see that i saw it was him and christian chenoweth rebecca luker was

mine oh well that's equally gorgeous yeah no rebecca did he replace craig birko is that why i think so yeah but i remember like it was like this like it was christmas my parents we would go until every every like christmas and we'd see a Broadway show. And I remember everyone was so excited about Will. And then you hooked up with Will on Will and Grace. I did. I kissed him on TV. You did.

Harold Hill and Winthrop, full circle. I love that. Was that weird? Disturbance your Harold Hill? No, it was great. It was like, I'm finally grown up. And then I just got asked to play a high school student like six more times. So then I was like, okay, never mind. I'm not growing up. I fully find Eric McCorm play a high school student like six more times so then I was like okay never mind

I'm not grown up I fully find Eric McCormick to be hot yeah of course yeah I really do it's a combination of him actually being very handsome and also he's Will

so it's like it's both you know what I mean what he means and what he stands for mixed with how actually cute he is yes he's extremely cute

and endearing I've heard very kind yeah very very kind wow there was like okay so i'm just gonna adjust my body to say this headish um there was like a magazine cover one time with the four of them in like bed sheets and you i remember like me being like 11 or 12 like you

saw like eric mccormick and sean hayes's like nipples and i was like oh yeah i was like a little freak sean really sean really did it for me I love Sean He's still so good looking Whatever still who cares God Will and Grace Whatever's happening now God bless

Wait so you were on the first episode of the reboot The second The first had no guests I was on the second episode, yes. So would we say you were the first guest? I mean, if you want to. If you want. And I want.

That's a willing grace. I want. Wow. But you're not an LA lover. I am not. I grew up there until I was like 18. I went to Jewish day school there in high school. I went to Harbor West Lake with everybody ever.

And I always kind of knew, I went to Jewish day school there and high school. I went to Harbor West Lake with everybody ever. And, and I always kind of knew, I mean, on like a superficial level that I wanted to come here for the theater and like for, for being near Broadway

and all that. But I think also just like energy wise and like being an anxious, like neurotic person, I feel like since everybody else here is also anxious and neurotic, it like feels really good.

Right. In LA, it's like, I'm kind of like against the grain of everybody being very calm and interesting. And also it's very like disparate in la like everything is very and then new york rolling you can like make the choice every day new york like do i want to feel like surrounded by a million things and part of a giant thing or do i want to feel totally anonymous and like

isolated and in la i feel like it's only isolated unless you're going to like drive half an hour and pay 20 for parking yeah wow the parking of it all Wow. But it's really nice all the time. So that's nice. But the way you just distilled that, beautiful. I mean, that is the distillation.

But truly, I haven't heard someone put it in those terms. Yeah. That's great. Where's Beanie located? Here, based here. I mean,

we're both bi-coastal. Yeah. It's great to have bi-visibility. She's here when she's not being a full-blown movie star. Yeah. Oh my God. Did you love Booksmart? Did I? I mean, all my best friends are in Booksmart. Yeah, truly. It's great to have bi visibility. She's here when she's not being a full-blown movie star. Yeah, oh my God.

Did you love Booksmart? Did I? I mean, all my best friends are in Booksmart. Yeah, truly. It's so, that must have been so crazy.

Literally Molly and Noah and Beanie. It was incredible. I mean, it was incredible. I'm just, it's amazing to watch her. We were best friends since we were 14 and like always knew

that she'd be, I think we both like assumed that we would just be doing the theater like Broadway thing and we both have which was amazing and we did at the same time which was great

but now to see like all the different things she's doing in the way that she's like blowing up as like a film person is like bananas I think the first time I I like I like clocked her was probably Lady Bird of course and they her and Saoirse just had like along with the nation along with the nation we fell in love I they had such a good like lived in relationship and I was like that's her biggest strength. I think Beanie can make everybody, anyone she's working with feel like she's known them forever. And they're like inside her.

Yeah. Not that was the wrong thing, but they're warm. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You can feel like you're inside.

Exactly. That's what Ben said. Don't repeat it. I just want to attribute that to Ben. Don't repeat it. No, but, but basically like,

Hi Beanie. Hi. But my favorite thing about Lady Bird was I felt like every single role was so perfectly cast yeah

yes like it just felt like every single person there like if there should be an Oscar for casting because even Timmy has the French

like whatever yes what does he correct her I mean he's outside the coffee shop and she says the name of the book wrong and he's like

it's called something French yeah yeah yeah you're the sexiest person I've ever seen yeah 100% he actually does speak shut up stop

have you seen Little Women yet? no I'm dying to I'm sure he's amazing but I just hear that it's like someone tweeted Little Women suffers from the same problems as Lady Bird it's this beautiful movie that expresses all these different things, these ideas that you didn't think could be expressed and then

you go back to living your sad, pathetic life. And then you have to go do laundry. Yeah, that's what the tweet was. And I was like, oh, that's a perfect ad for Little Women. I'm kind of loving the Saoirse Timothée sort of moment that's happening

filmically or do you mean like you want them to like date I mean I guess I wouldn't mind if they dated right but I love like the sort of like um the way that they're being sort of that they do stuff together I like that I was trying to think of who would be like a parallel from the past of like people that consistently

like like um Bumfrey and Bogart like Bumf free and boga like bum free and boga I know people are like allergic to la la land but I feel like a god can I say something I am not allergic to la la land thank you very much and I also know

we gotta get over it did dad produce that my father did yes we gotta get over it no I I said from the beginning that I stand La La Land on this podcast. And I also, from the very beginning, and also people need to be less crazy when there's a movie that you also like

and then you call the other movie Trump. You can't. Yes, exactly. It's like you're Cuckoo Lulu. No, I agree. I agree. I'm glad we're as a nation moving forward. Absolutely.

It was such a moment but i mean god emma emma we stand emma she's hosting the met thing i know did we see meryl lynn i mean so are we kidding are we kidding and it's like when we think about fashion do we think about meryl and then you think about that question you're like kind of yeah i think about anything it can get to meryl yeah you know what i mean it takes like maybe one degree of separation for any topic to get everything is an estuary to merrill absolutely the great river that is merrill thank you because estuary means that it has salt water in it and it leads back to the ocean and i knew that the whole time i said it thank you um merrill fucking wore remember that year at the oscars when she was nominated for

devil was proud she fucking wore like ombrembre glasses and chunky turquoise necklace or some shit. And she was like, I'm not going to fucking win. What is the theme? Oh, it's duration. It's like time. Fashion in time. But it's also inspired by the aesthetic of this movie. Cox?

Orlando. That's like very... It looks like a... Victorian. Exactly. Not Victorian. Yes, Marianne Twinnett. So everyone's just

going to come in like those kinds of gowns, I guess, and then all the men will just wear tuxedos. Yeah. Have you been a few times?

I've been twice. Yeah. The first time I went alone and I was like very out of place. It was when Evan Hansen was off Broadway and it was only because

Anna Winter had come to see the show and was like, you should come to the mat ball and I didn't know a single soul. That's great. And I like walked around

alone for the whole cocktail hour and then like left because I was just too intimidated. But then the second time I went with Cynthia Erivo and I didn't know a single soul that's great and I like walked around alone for the whole cocktail hour and then like left because I was just too intimidated but then the second time I went with Cynthia Erivo

and I was a little more safe and it was was that the camp one no I didn't get to go because I was on tour for the camp one that one was like

maybe the Christianity thing oh I that was I liked that so I just wore a suit because I was like I'm very Jewish and I'm not gonna

cross it I'm not gonna cross something Christ drag not today anyway. What did Cynthia wear? There's pictures. Like a gorgeous white thing. She had like a headdress moment and jewels and she's always, she never disappoints.

I need to see Harriet. I haven't seen it yet. I know. I can't wait. I hear she's amazing. I heard it's really good. Do you see Jojo Rabbit? No. Okay. Did you see it? You have to. Greta was just saying it's like so good unbelievable and i was like afraid because like jared said the same i was afraid it's nazis is tough especially when there are nazis all around yeah uh but like it just is perfectly done and then and nothing there's

nothing i love more than a brilliant young kid performance and he's so unbelievably good wow kid is like special special talent like really special really. Special, special. Is that what Thomasin? Like Jacob Tremblay situation but like a little bit older. What's the kid's name? Damn. Thomasin McKenna.

Isn't that the girl? That's the girl, yeah. I forget his name. I just remember that his dad's like a famous DP, I think. Oh, okay. And like has been done like a lot of amazing movies

and like he's always been around sets his whole life like never acted and of course he's like magically brilliant. Yeah, we love that. I hate you really want to see a marriage story. I know. Oh, me too. i keep getting i need hetero icon noah bomb back

and also can we say like this moment that is happening with adam driver where all of a sudden he is the superstar literally a superstar yeah but this is the most interesting narrative in hollywood to me like where he kind of girl? You're relating it back to girls, though. Yes, because think about the way he was... He was a star in Girls. He was amazing. He was a star in Girls, but amazing. No one can dispute the performance. But to be introduced to the mainstream as

the weirdest fuckboy in Greenpoint. And now for him to be Kylo Ren, I think it's great. That just goes for straight men. You can do anything. That really tracks. What do you mean? That's not like... Kylo Ren, I think that's great. That just shows for straight men and you can do anything. That really tracks. What do you mean? But like that,

that, that's not like Kylo Ren should be the weirdest. I agree. I'm not, I'm not disputing it. I'm just saying like, and so should the monk in whatever weird accent movie he did with Andrew Garfield.

Yes, yes, yes, yes. That, um, but, but I'm just saying like,

it's just so fascinating to me how he's made that transition because he's just like really good actor. So good. He's so good. I feel like, I mean just saying like, it's just so fascinating to me how he's made that transition because he's just like really good actor. He's so good. So good. He's so good. I feel like, I mean, you know, hopefully I seem, I feel like very encouraged

that we're moving towards like individuality, weirdness, uniqueness. Yes. Like what's making people big and not just like everybody is Matt Damon and Brad Pitt. Not that we don't love Matt Damon and Brad Pitt. No, but yeah,

it's nice to have the option to not be that. Yes. Especially in musical theater and theater. Yes and Brandon. No, but yeah, it's nice to have the option to not be that. Especially in musical theater and theater. Yes. Well, that's also, I feel like the reason I always come back to, I mean, I just love theater because I love theater and all of us gays love the theater. But it's also like, at the end of the day, the skill just has to win out in the theater

because there's just no where to hide. Right. And there's so many places to hide on a set of any kind, like on camera, like, and even be a brilliant, like while hiding. Sure.

Like in the theater, I feel like it's put up or shut up. You're out there. That's, that feels very real. Yeah. Even if you have like a strange lazy eye or like, like you still can belt.

Yeah. You can still get it together. Oh yeah. Lazy eye won't get in the way of belting ever. No, you could have what they call a stage face. Yeah. A face to be seen from far away.

Far away. And be truly iconic. Wow. You know, wait, I don't know why, and this person does not have a stage face. Do you know what? I just remembered that I saw this person on Broadway and gagged for a week.

I saw Tony Braxton and Aida. Wow. Oh my God god is that not iconic i've never seen i never got to see aida either aida was good and i remember i cried and felt so emotionally affected by aida and we all left and my dad was like i thought it was okay and my mom goes my mom goes i was like i said i was like fully 12 i was like wasn't tony braxton amazing and she was like i you know what she could tell it i that if she told me that she didn't think so she'd hurt my feelings oh matthew i think she has a beautiful voice i just couldn't really understand what she was saying but she has a beautiful voice well heather is similar heather is brilliant absolute just a little bit of peanut butter on the roof of the mountain

so she have you ever seen the performance of her singing memory yes of course yes it's that kind of thing with those girls in the mirrors who like aren't great but she's amazing she's stunning and there's a moment where she goes and she's like kind of just like, her phrasing is like, wow! There's also a video of her singing in the arms of an angel with a giant choir. Have you seen this? And at the end, she really,

she goes for it and just really eats it. And it's, as a singer, really wonderful to see someone as amazing as Heather Headley just go for it and eat it. I want them to go for it every single time. And honestly, but you tell me like when you're like doing a show on a friday night are you giving it a little bit more than you are on a sunday oh tell me yeah it repents it's so sites it's like very

specific to the actual night it depends who's who i know is in the audience right it depends like how many shows are left in the week because sometimes, obviously because it's Friday night, it's exciting. It is like easier to give more than on Sunday, but also Sunday, you have 36 hours ahead of you that are free. So like you can kind of

abandon. So it depends. I would say like a Wednesday, Matt, is not ideal to come to unless you're like 65 and up. Yeah. But like,

and you get that little discount ticket. There's definitely like an ABC version of the show that you have to have, which is like yeah this is what i'm doing if i feel completely healthy and i have all of the faculties and then b is like i'm trying to save a little for something exciting at the end of the week and c is like i can barely be bothered to be here so like when you've like very clearly delineated all these scenarios though oh yeah i spent a lot of time in that wonderful in that in that show so So basically, wait, wait, hold on. Okay. So do you usually know when someone notable is coming and do you prefer to know? I asked to know.

So I would receive a, like a literally like an itemized list before, like at half hour every night of everyone that was there. Yeah. Because at the beginning it was. You don't want to go out on stage and then see Beyonce. Right. One million percent. Like I don't want to, I don't want to clock out on stage and then see Beyonce right one million percent like I don't want to I don't want to clock Merrill like

mid number like I need and also like in that show in particular like I spend so much time just like out at the like out at the fourth wall or whatever yeah so like I'm gonna see and it's a small house I'm gonna see whoever it is and they're always in the same like nice house seats right so I love to have all the information that's like a theme in my life in general is like I'd like to have all the information

please beforehand because anything unknown is far more anxiety provoking to me than just like dealing with what the actual reality is going to be and whatever I imagine is going to be way worse than like what's actually true right so I love to just see like okay so tonight it's like Ben Stiller and like Tom Hooper great wow nice and so basically everyone

saw that it was every person I remember like I think I would see like on your Instagram or like on maybe it was the Dear Evan Hansen Instagram because I remember like following it like at the time because I was just like I won't get tickets the normal way maybe I'll catch like some insta story or whatever that's just like if you like

are here at this time a magic elf will give you a ticket like I never saw it because I couldn't get tickets I was poor at the time too if only we'd all met sooner oh my god when you do it again. I have a bootleg. Yeah.

Okay. Also, I may, there may be a scenario where I'm going to do it again. So we'll have to wait and see. But wait, I, I feel as though Beyonce had to be the number one,

most intimidating. Most intimidating. Yes. Yes. With a tie in a totally different arena of life with Mandy Patinkin damn

of course Mandy is gonna fuck you up because George is my number one dream yes of all time like forever and ever you would fucking

be an amazing George I just have to wait a few years till the memory of this Jake one fades away and then I can give it more shot

ah yes but he was great but um no because he was great because yeah exactly yeah so we have to let it more shot. But he was great. No, because he was great. Exactly, yeah. So we have to let it have its due. But I was really scared because I used to watch that PBS taping of Sunday in the Park all the time.

So those two. But yeah, Beyonce. I had a warning. I had like four days warning. So I got a haircut, had an extra voice lesson. I really was prepared mentally, physically. Because you met her afterwards? I did meet her afterwards she came backstage

was that brief it was it was like four to five minutes oh my god but she had just had the twins like a month ago wow

she was like glowing oh my god her boobs looked amazing yeah she smelled amazing the most like woman version of Beyonce exactly

just earth mother yes gorgeous and she was wonderful and everybody was like really paralyzed by her oh my god because you just don't know version of Beyonce. Exactly. Just Earth Mother. Yes. Gorgeous. And she was wonderful. And everybody was like really paralyzed by her. Oh my God. Because you just don't know

like what do you do? What do you do? She is the icon. This is just such a dumb weird share. But when Jay-Z hosted or not Jay-Z when Jay-Z was musical guest

a couple seasons ago. No, it was when Solange was musical guest. Yes. She came to the after party because I went to that show. And then she and Jay-Z was a musical guest a couple seasons ago. No, it was when Solange was a musical guest. Yes. She came to the after party because I went to that show. And then she and Jay-Z walked through. And everyone, like the whole room stops. But when she passes you by, you feel something.

You feel an energy. An energy. Crazy. Anyway. Wow. Meeting her is probably. Do you want to know one celebrity I saw in person one time and I felt an energy? At the time, I was like, that person's a superstar.

And now saying it is fully crazy. Gina Rodriguez. No. I'll touch on Gina later. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I'm abreast to this drama, but continue. Jessica Simpson. Wow.

I believe that. I went to an Ashley Simpson concert. I was 16 years old. I was straight presenting. I was at an Ashley Simpson concert concert it was my first of two and i turned around and there was jessica simpson like standing like by the tech booth in this little roped off area and she was luminous yeah and i was just like that's a star yeah sure and then two years later like and now she like runs her empire i think and doesn't really do much but she's like she's like a like a formidable person oh at the time i was like that's what it's like to be

in the presence of a superstar they look like jessica simpson and then i got a picture with her dad who's gay now i know i know who's like dating like twink models really yes oh my god this is like a thing i didn't know that he was like he was like a pastor or something and then like later on in year and she was like her thing was like the chastity of it all yeah and then later on i'm so sorry i caught bowen on the shirt behind you just giving me this what did i didn't do anything no no he's looking at this oh just doing oh my face yes i just realized i'm so sorry there's a shirt oh my god there's a shirt with them on it and i just noticed i was just feeling very this is the seek culture t-shirt that Ben has pointed out.

And Ben, I want you to know that Bowen has designed this shirt. It's gorgeous. Oh, thank you. Truly just did. That's in Photoshop. I didn't know.

We should, we should get, we should let the readers be able to buy this. Oh, absolutely. I know they're limited edition. It's a show exclusive though. It's a show exclusive.

Sorry. I didn't know my mouth could do that. My fault for bringing it up in an interrupted manner. You can have one. Have one. You're not going to wear one. I mean, I better. Speaking of your fashion.

Yes. Wow. Come on. Wow. What was that sweater that you've been wearing recently? It's like yellow on the top with the V. Oh, yes. His name is Victor Glamad.

I wore it to the CFDA thing where it's's a bunch of up-and-coming young designers. I have a stylist, his name's Jason Rembrandt, and I just do what he tells me to do. You've been looking really good. When you were doing the press for The Politician, you've been looking stunning, and also you are fucking rocking high-waisted. Oh, yes!

It's changed my life. I have such a pooch, and it's just like, I feel so much better. It just makes everything feel better. I feel freer, I can eat what Ioch and it's just like, I feel so much better. Yeah. It just, it just makes everything feel better. I feel like freer. I can eat what I want. It's great. Great.

I've been like a low rise bitch for, for too long. And now, and now as I approach 30, I'm getting a pooch, but there's no, there's nothing to my whole family. All the men in my family are shaped this way.

So like, regardless of how, so you can see your future. They may see it. I tried to make, it's like, no, it's just here.

Um, yes. So that was that sweater was to like, where to like show off this guy who was being, who was like being celebrated. Oh, so it was his event to celebrate him. Well,

a bunch of people. No, uh, no, he just said that Victor Glimmer. I'm telling you, you, you,

I'm no, I'm listening. I'm just trying to, I'm connecting different dots. No, no, no, I know you're listening.

I know you're listening. I'm just saying like this sweater and I know that Ben Platt was wearing it are these Vejas Vejas Vejas Vejas shoes these are

oh yeah I feel it was a very Matt Rogers sweater oh okay it was a very what Matt Rogers sweater it was something I would wear

and so I might be thank you so much I might be sending a text message to Mr. Glamaz was that the name Glamaz with a D I might have to send Mr. Glamaz. Was that the name? Glamaz. With a D. I might have to send Mr. Glamaz a DM.

I'm sure he would love to dress you in a sweater. Maybe for an event one day. Wow. When I pop off. But yes, it's been very fun to wear things that actually make me feel excited and happy and not just have to be like, I'm in a suit because I'm trying to convince everyone that I'm a leading man. No, but it's been a fashion event it's fun and speaking of fashion event just like

the way like the politician like looks like the fashion it's that's got to be so fun it is okay hmu and costuming has to feel like a fucking dream particularly the costumes the claire parkinson who's the costume designer is the only kind of major crew member that we're bringing over to season two because it's all

New York people this time because the entire show has changed because we're shooting in New York but obviously everyone was in agreement that we could not

veer from the clothing because it was so well received also which was great but it's great I mean she gives us such like particular like human beings

to be like I feel like a lot of us didn't really fully understand who we were until we like went in and started putting on all these clothes. Right. And she's very, everybody gets a very particular flavor and everybody gets to be like somewhat aspirational even if it's in like a really bizarre way. Sure. Yes. But I love it.

I get to wear nice suits all the time. Yeah. And turtlenecks. And turtlenecks. And glasses. And I always have wished that I needed glasses, but I don't. Same. You look good in glasses

thank you so much very good all of my siblings use glasses or contacts I'm the only one that doesn't so I think I feel like a weird complex about it even though it's a good thing

around not having bad eyesight your 2020 vision is actually a crutch it's holding you back it's keeping you bound I'm just trying to raise awareness yeah no Bowen is the king of glasses

but the but truly like the more the more I like see how departments work around stuff like this, the more I'm like, costumes and wardrobe are like... Oh, huge. But they have to... It's the first thing people see. It has to communicate so much.

And also, the way things look on camera is so different than the way they look in real life. We just did Game Show for Quibi and like we had eight different looks and i didn't realize what the word more ring is but like they came over to me and he's like they're like he's more ring i was like do i have to like go back to makeup what's happening where's more ring am i dying that's like the too small pattern thing yeah it's like something when it's like it like it's it's vibrating on screen yeah Yeah. Yeah. It just creates like a, like a weird static on screen.

But the, but like literally when I say you could take a bite out of the show, I mean like the show looks like it's delicious. And it's, yeah,

it'll be more of that. Great. We love that. In a, like a more of an East Coasty fall kind of way this time, but, but a lot of the same

and plus Judith and Bet. Yeah. With Judith and Bet. Not for nothing. I saw, I saw your, I saw your tweet or it was an Instagram about plus Judith and bet. Yeah. With Judith and bet. I mean, not for nothing. I saw, I saw your, I saw your tweet or was an Instagram about just working with Judith. Yes.

Yes. God, what the hell? It was the best. I was having like a, Oh, iffy week. And then I,

we had to finally get our first day together and like, it was just, it solved all of my problems and made all of my worries go away. And bet is just brilliant. And bet is there too. And bet is there too. Let me tell you. And when we, bet and I just sang together with beanie at this like halloween hulaween in your fucking

sleigh of a halloween costume thank you oh my god um yeah she's i mean bet's like everything you hope like like constantly in the middle of a vaudeville act like at all times you know what i mean just like a pratfall could happen at any time. Exactly. And just like calling herself a hoe. She's the best. And the Twitter on her is also poof. People talk about Cher's Twitter, but y'all need to check out. Get on board or don't. Get on board or don't.

There's no in between. There's no in between. 100%. Will we have more Gwyneth in season two? Yes. Everybody is back except Jessica was a one season situation.

Got it. Right. And we've added obviously Judith and that but everyone else is back. Great. Was that your first time working with Ryan?

Yes, it was. Great. It was. I mean, I loved Glee the way everybody else loved Glee.

I went to see the tour at two different stops. Oh! Wow. Naturally. Naturally. And also Spring Awakening was like my

theme music. That was like my rent, whatever, Evan Hansen so leah i was big on leah yeah and john croft i'll never forget the first time i saw leah michelle when the tony awards performance when she sang mama who bore me in the beginning i was like i was like we're gonna be seeing a lot of her she just something happened on camera i know that's there's something very interesting going on and then a few years later to bravely sort of parade throughout Radio City singing Don't Rain On My Parade with so many people present. Like that deserves a lot of commendation.

It does. Accolades indeed. A medal of honor. It's a scary thing to do. Yeah. And also to sound great. Yeah. I mean, she's, I think she's stunning.

Jonathan Groff is my celebrity crush forever. Mine too. Oh. I've tried. I'm sure. I've tried. We've all tried. Yeah Mine too. Oh. I've tried. I'm sure. I've tried. We've all tried. Yeah.

Fight. We're going to fight. I'm going to actually fight. We met him. We interviewed him at Vulture Festival. And we were doing like a bit with every guest because we're dumb. We're not actual journalists. We're like very stupid.

Ask people questions. But nobody at any of those things actually wants to answer any questions. Sure. They just want to play a game. And so everyone usually liked us but john john john jonathan was there johnny johnny grofster for mind hunter um they were there um doing press for mind hunter yeah and so it kind of wasn't really the vibe like anna torv was there and like you know the other cast members i'm not sure their names but like serious serious actors yeah and in my notes was like i was gonna ask him um what would you do if you found out

someone had a crush on you and then he like asked you what he said and then be like and then he's like what if someone had a crush on you that was like right here right now and i was gonna like be like shoot your shot i was gonna shoot my shot and take a cute bit with it and then maybe be like huh thanks for doing that anyway my name my name's Matt and DM me. Why didn't you do it? Because he was, I will say that I- The other guy hijacked the conversation. Totally.

But I will say that Jonathan was very just like, so just like easygoing and was just like, oh, just like very like, huh. Like just was just like picking up on our vibe that we were not like typical journalists. Yeah. And he was just kind of like adjusting to that. He might have been a little adult. It was just a little bit of an awkward interview. Nothing he did. But I remember

he did have a really good handshake and eye contact during the handshake. And I was like, you know exactly how hot you are. It's frustrating. He does. And also he's a lovely person. And also very inspiring in the sense that like he did this like incredibly specifically gay kind of graphic amazing show oh yeah and now is like a

straight up straight leading man on like a david fincher beautiful drama yes he's fucking talented it's amazing and it's encouraging to see that yeah he's done so much shit because he's like he's done he's definitely publicly been you know out and proud gay like did gay roles but also you're right mine hunter mine hunter has its fans yeah also frozen will pay for whatever he wants rest of his life and i just saw him do seymour and he was great oh my god he was fantastic he was so i mean a little bit like hotter than most seymours but like it's still hilarious and sounded like a dream. I just saw Little Shop in Pasadena. How was it?

It was good. It was really cute. And MJ was great. And our friend Matt Wilkis was amazing. Oh, Matt Wilkis? He was the dentist. And he also did a bunch of littler parts. And it was really sort of like a showcase for his skills.

He's a really funny comedic actor. And that was the first time I had seen him on stage. I didn't really know he was, I didn't know he came from the stage. So funny. He was, he's a real sweetheart. And his stuff online is so funny.

I love their sketches, Matt and Dan. But it was, I had never seen Little Shop on stage. In your life? I didn't know how it ended. I've never seen it on stage either. It is,

do you know how it ends? We won't spoil for anyone that doesn't know how it ends. It is Do you know how it ends? We won't spoil for anyone that doesn't know how it ends but let's just say it's actually out of control insane. What happens? They're making a film now. Yes. Really? Who's in? I don't know. Do you not know? I don't know.

I'll say this. I sadly wish that I did know but I sadly and decidedly do not know. You decidedly do not know. Well'll say this. I sadly wish that I did know, but I sadly and decidedly do not know. You decidedly do not know. Decidedly do not know. Well, that is foolish of them to not, that they wouldn't decide. What can you do?

That feels like such a stupid thing. Oh, wait, really quickly. Okay, what's it, because you guys shot some of Merrily already, right? We did shoot some of Merrily. Okay, how's that? You don't have to go into it too much. No, it's okay.

It was so wonderful. I mean, it's like crazy. It's also like a lot of people don't really know what Merrily Roland is. Okay, how's that? You don't have to go into it too much. No, it's okay. It was so wonderful. I mean, it's like crazy. It's also like a lot of people don't really know what Marilee Rowland is. Yeah, I actually don't. It's a pretty like deep cut. So, you know, it's on time. Yeah.

And it's about these three friends in the 50s who meet when they're in college and like two of them are writers and one of them is a composer and they become like best, best friends. It's two guys, one girl. And they, over time, like the composing duo it's two guys one girl and they uh over time like the the composing duo the two guys like become really successful and like the woman sort of uh like

deals with like alcoholism and like they become like really jaded and they grow apart and like all this shit over the course of like 18 years yeah and it's the show happens backwards so like it starts and you meet them when they're like in their 40s and they hate each other and like two of them don't even speak and then like every sequence there's nine sequences moved backwards a few years and then by the end they're like these naive idealistic best friends who love each other so it's like really upsetting and heartbreaking but very beautiful but the issue on stage has always been like either there's people at the beginning playing like way too old and you don't really believe them or there's people at the end playing like young college kids and you're like no you're not so this is the way to do this so i

really think this is like has the potential to to solve some of the issues in it. Because the score has always been beautiful. And there's always been great moments in it. Our time, right? Yeah, that's what we did. Because that's the last, aka first, sequence. But it's great. Yeah, and we'll follow the map of the show.

It starts in 57 and ends in 70-something. And so if there's three years between a sequence, then we'll wait three years. Or if there's two years, we'll wait two years. So you are doing the period of it all. Yeah, it takes place starting in 57. And then we'll wait three years or if there's two years we'll wait two so you are doing the like period of it all uh-huh yeah it takes place starting in 57 and then we'll follow because then whatever the world is in 20 whatever it comes out it it's still the periods will have remained that exact very smart um god and that's that's perfect for link later it's perfect for you guys and it's like the fact that it's beanie and i together is also just like truly bananas that

just gives us an excuse every few years to to hang out not that we don't hang out every day right but it's like yeah how like fortunate that is uh is that but like god link later like i one of my favorite directors i think school of rock is one of my top five movies absolutely of all time school of rock we just talked about school of rock with heidi at length with heidi gardner it's like i listened oh listened. We love that movie. Before we go any further, I just have to shout out the person that turned me on to this podcast way too late. Her name is Francesca Carpagnini. Francesca Carpagnini?

She's a very brilliant actress. She was just in All My Sons on Broadway with Annette Bening. Oh my god! Congrats on booking that. And she is a big lover of both of you. She'll be at the show later. Oh my god, I'm so so excited who are you coming with to the show

Noah oh my god Molly love that and Francesca oh my god wow that's gonna be fun

thank god we know who's in the audience for our show okay so wait I didn't get to meet Noah after the show that I saw him in

because that was the night that that engine backfired in time oh yeah people thought yeah so Jared and I were going backstage to say hey to Noah and he was so... Oh, this is the thing where people

started banging on the door of the theater and stuff? Yeah, so basically this engine backfired in Times Square. My sister was there that night, too. That waitress, yeah. Oh, my God. Well, that was a fucking great performance. And also, by the way, sidebar, but you know who I really want to see do it, who's in it right now? Jordan Sparks. Oh, me too. Did you see her video? She used to be mine. Yes, of course I did.

I thought it was one of the better renditions. Okay. I'm not kidding. We love Jordan. You know who does, I think, my favorite rendition of it? Sara Bareilles? Yeah, I was like, Sara? I feel so insane for saying this.

Jeremy Jordan. Oh! Jeremy Jordan does such a stunning... This has been so fun. I'm going to have to go. No, but I mean, Sarah is Sarah. So do you love his It's All Coming Back to Me Now then also? I actually, I do love his It's All Coming Back to Me Now.

I like that. And I like this. I don't usually stan Jeremy Jordan. Okay, fair. But I have these two performances that I saw, I like. I'm absolutely obsessed with. Because I usually just love my ladies singing and you, of course. But you are one of my ladies though.

Okay, good. Misgendering Ben Polak. It's okay. Controversy. No, but Jordan like fucking rips it apart. But yeah, I was going to go backstage to say hey to Noah, who I haven't met in person yet and then that thing backfired and jared and i had to run to 10th avenue and get in a taxi cab

because we were positive that something was going down and that's the fucking world is like we saw people running from times square and we were just like yep cool we gotta go we know we all know what to do everyone was just like keyed in oh yeah we know it's the world we live in that is the current world every time i go see a movie i like check where the exits are and try to sit near them and yeah it's horrible last night for our show at uh we did game show last night at the grammar seat theater at midnight and we were getting like in order to get in we got like fully oh of course wanded and everything and i was like yeah i mean i guess i'm happy this is happening like because you just never know yeah oh my god Not to turn it in this direction.

Wait, wait, wait. Wait. I was just going to say before sunrise, sunset and I, and before, uh, midnight that, that trilogy link later. Oh yeah. I was like, did we go, did we move to Fiddler? I was like girl before sunrise before sunset

before midnight before midnight like perfect beautiful lean concise films like and boyhood

I fucking was obsessed with boyhood yeah it's beautiful took it took my parents to see it and they like are two very culturally diverse people in general

and they just like my dad fucking hates movies except he loves Cher he loves Cher but he just doesn't like like films or plays he's like why are people doing whatever I can't explain it to him and they just like, my dad fucking hates movies. Except he loves Cher, right? He loves Cher. But he just doesn't like like films or plays. He's like,

why are people doing, whatever, I can't explain it to him. But Boyhood, he was just like, so I think like with like Merrily, it's like, it's that thing again

where it's like, the passage of time happening, it's so powerful. It really is. Especially if there's the right reason to do it. Yeah,

but it is the right reason. It's not a gimmick, it's not. 100%. Yeah, That's what's nice about this particular one is that I really think it actually is asking to be this kind of thing. And he just seems like a really easygoing guy. The loveliest,

sweetest, not stoner stoner. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I know. Totally. Like all the energy of one without actually being one. Wow. He's amazing. That's ideal. The thing about stoners, I can say because I'm one of them, is we are not low-key people. No, we're not. We smoke because,

are you a stoner? Oh, majorly, yes. See, now, okay, can I ask you a question? Yes. Not while I'm singing, unfortunately. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. I can't while I'm singing.

I mean, while I'm working in general, it's hard because I, like, unless it's for writing music, in which case it's very helpful, but like doing any kind of show or shooting or anything like that, I just, I get too, like, hypochondriacal about my voice and stuff especially for pronouncing that i've had to learn oh he literally he actually read through the dictionary before coming thank you

for doing that um but then but then like but like now like is this is this like a lull where you get to smoke more yeah like on days where i'm not shooting or like when I'm working with co-writers and stuff. I feel like being in Los Angeles, like it's so dry there that like I feel completely insane. And so for those shows that I'm doing in December, I'm like already worried about it because it's like water, water, water.

Water, water, water, right? Water, like throw coat dries you the fuck out. So none of that. Water, water, water. Okay, good. There's no replacement for water. I even tried doing coconut water instead of water for a while, and that was not the move.

What about the whole honey and tea of it all? In a very particular situation, it's nice. I find it's more for just my own sensation. You know what I mean? For me to feel like everything's going well, it doesn't actually make everything go well. Do you know what I mean? If I'm hydrated and I'm warmed up,

then regardless of whether I drank the tea or not I'm going to sound the same but I'll maybe feel nicer when I drink the tea. So by all means. Actually manuka honey is really good. Manuka honey.

That's like actually medically like good. Yes. Good for like staying well and like fancy nutrition. Okay cool. It's a flower in New Zealand. A lot of it is

okay. Come on sources. You got the bibliography on manuka honey. It is all manuka honey. All manuka honey. The flower is grown in New Zealand but most of it is, okay. Come on, sources. You got the bibliography on Manuka honey? It is all Manuka honey. All Manuka honey. The flower is grown in New Zealand, but most of it is imported from New Zealand.

And the bees pollinate, and there's all these crazy, crazy, crazy antibodies and all these good things for you. Manuka honey. I didn't know that. It's good. Whole Foods. Just go to Whole Foods and ask for Manuka honey.

I will. With high content. I honestly think a lot of it is mind over matter for me where it's just like, if I'm fixating and like worried about the way that my throat feels it's like I'll be insane and then all you have to do is drink water and like because sometimes I'll like I remember

when I was in college and I was like whenever I was doing a show I would always like drink a lot of vanilla chai because I like the way it made my throat feel and I'm like well now my voice is healthy because I've had my chai and it's like milk now my voice is healthy because i've had my chai and it's like milk oh damn the worst area is detrimental and dairy is detrimental thank you do you roll culture number 75 dairy is detrimental we're gonna ask do you find yourself like when

when you're singing are you also dieting yes well i yes i mean i think there's two different times at which i'm dieting. One is like for like what's going to help me sing like no dairy, no like acidic stuff, like for like gook and shit in my throat. Yeah. But then there's also just like the, we live in a world of Lucas Hedges and Timmy Chalamet dieting where it's like I have to be a small wave where it's like,

I don't like that part. Fuck. But I mean. Is Lucas Hedges really, really slender? I mean, not unhealthily. Neither of them are.

They both are, you know, beautiful and, and how the size is. No, no, no, but I'm saying like,

just like, you know what I mean? It's like, there's no, like, it's hard for there to be a space between like a, a built man and like, like a,

a little boy. Yeah. And I'm like, I live very much in between. So I'm always feeling like I need to like be leaning, yeah. And I'm like, I live very much in between so I'm always feeling like I need to like be leaning into one. And I'm also always playing

a fucking 18 year old. So like as soon as that's done, I think I feel a lot of trust. I feel like that'll change with probably season two of Politician. Well, yes. Politician, I'm now 23

so it's like whatever. I can have stubble. This is great. And how old are you actually? 26. 26. And then I think I'm done except for one possible thing,

going to high school forever yeah I think done I wonder what that could be wow I wonder what that could be bitch okay title of app I wonder what that could be bitch

I wonder what that could be dot dot dot bitch what was I gonna ask I was gonna ask something oh no I was just gonna volunteer this and you guys don't have to react to it at all. I can't fucking smoke anymore.

I smoked for the first time in months last night, and drank, and truly was never more nauseous on the way home. The combo can go either way. Well, you got crossfaded, baby. You just got to take it easy. I got crossfaded, but then it was also like, yeah, hadn't smoked weed in months, and then it was just that mixed with like, does it generally like fan the flames of your

anxiety? Do you find or like make you more? Cause it can go both ways. It goes both ways for me. It's either like, this was a bad idea and I have to abort like as soon as possible. Or it's like, this was everything I wanted. Well, sometimes it's like, I remember back in my days where I was like single, I found like it could really kind of like ease you into situations and then other then i was like in a

more bad place and that didn't work and i was like you have to leave you have to leave my apartment i'm sorry and then so then i was like okay so this doesn't do just one thing for me it's fully matt it fully just is like what mind space you're in and also not for nothing but the indica versus sativa of it all is huge we can't pretend that it's not huge it's a difference it's a different experience it's a completely different thing yeah like i just can't take anyone's weed anymore now now i'm like the kind of like medical stoner like apple store med man of it all be like and what strain is this and where did we get it and where is it localized and excuse me and generally i force it

i feel like i need to be either, I mean, I enjoy doing it alone, but also like, if I'm going to be with people, it's people that I like actually have to know. Yes. I can't meet strangers.

I can't be any kind of filtered human being. No. Like drinking is fine with people. Yeah, hello. That I find is very like, you can ease into things. It loosens you up, but weed is like,

weed does something different. It's like, it makes you like, it puts you up in your head. Matt is pointing, I'm like a little bit pointing around the arch of his eyebrows and pointing down. Yeah, that's what I'm doing. I wish you could see it, readers. Sort of a misplaced contour, like above.

Yeah, sort of. A villain contour. But like, I am now, I mean, I'm now dating the biggest stoner I've ever met in my life. You're always so emphatic about this. That's a big superlative. donor I've ever met in my life. You're always so emphatic about this. I'm telling you, I do smoke every day and I have been around some legendary people that just

are functionally addicted to weed. Jared, he smokes all the time and he's so productive on it. I don't get that. I can only be productive if it's a situation where I'm not being pressured to be productive. So if it's like, I have a day. I can only be productive if it's like a situation where I'm not being pressured to be productive.

So if it's like I have a day where I'm with like a friend of mine who I write songs with and I know that like we could write a song today if we wanted

then we smoke and like that's great and it sometimes leads to something amazing or it sometimes leads to like a completely bizarre song about like my grandfather. But if it's like

if I'm smoking going into like you have this many hours to accomplish something then it's going to backfire. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sometimes I think I don't know why i think this but sometimes i think that smoking will help me learn lines like okay i can reveal that because i did not get the part but i auditioned for like um the anna delvey shonda rhimes show oh yeah on netflix and like it was

truly it was fun to do because it was like shonda dialogue it was like five or six pages of like was there a lot of excellent gratuitous gay sex in it there was not i didn't i had to put myself on tape doing that um but like basically it was just like a lot of crazy like exactly what you think her scripts are gonna be yeah yeah um but i was like i run it a bunch and then i was like maybe if i smoke and it's like no and then it's such bunch. And then I was like, maybe if I smoke. And it's like, no. And then it's such a stoner mentality, which is like, well, maybe if I smoke. It's just like, no, you just want it to smoke. You want it to bail.

I think in the context of like, if you already have learned it like in a normal mind and like worked on it. And then sometimes like if I like learn lines for the show and like I'm getting ready to do it like in a couple of days, I will get high and then like just try it and like record myself doing it high and see if like out of the nine like hundred weird bizarre choices I make maybe one of them's interesting

yeah yeah yeah that's good you'll find something but only if I've already actually learned it because if I only learn it high then I'll remember a weird version

right right exactly maybe it's like psychedelics where you have to set an intention where it's like you set the parameters down you're like okay I'll just record myself saying this and maybe something cool comes out of it instead of just being like

okay um i need to learn lines so yeah that's the express purpose and then you just don't it's also just so funny what like i i learned all the lines and i was doing them with jared like he was reading with me and i had i had this whole choice i was doing like i like had beats planned out and everything and then i smoked and then i read the lines and i was kind of like dropped in like all of a sudden doing it like this and he's like okay whatever this is is like not it so if you're gonna now change into like this high serpent you're becoming with like bedroom eyes that's not what you should do and i was like okay wow or maybe that's the choice that would have gotten you the role and we will never know.

Honestly, yeah, I should have done it more like that. I should have done it more like a gay snake. A gay snake, which is a type. Yeah. Oh, for sure. It's a whole tribe on grind.

It's close to a gay Slytherin, but not quite. Yes. Gay Slytherins, they're out there. They're also Slytherin, not necessarily a bad thing. What are you guys?

Gobo. Oh, Ravenclaw. That's fantastic. Beanie 2. Beanie 2. That totally tracks. They're all over. So they're not necessarily a bad thing. What are you guys? Gobo. Ah, Ravenclaw. That's fantastic. Beanie 2. Beanie 2. That totally tracks. Say what you are. Hufflepuff and Pratt.

Yeah. Okay, I'm a Hufflepuff too. That's what I gather. Yeah, I'm a Hufflepuff. But can I say my trajectory? Of course. Sure. I was born a Gryffindor.

Oh, wow. What does that mean, born a Gryffindor? I was born a Gryffindor and I was a Gryffindor. Who sorted you at birth? Yeah. I was going to say, this is static.

Cedar Sinai. Were you born in Cedar Sinai? No. I was born on I think it was I was born on Long Island. So local. What is your birthday? What's your Scorpio sign?

Astrological sign. My Scorpio sign is Libra. Okay, so local. Not Cedars-Sinai. What is your birthday? What's your Scorpio sign? Scorpio sign. Astrological sign. My Scorpio sign is Libra. Okay, very skilled. September 24th. I'm on the cusp, but I'm Libra. You're a Libra cusp. Okay, I'm a Pisces. So basically, I was born a Gryffindor.

In my early 20s, I was a Slytherin. And now I'm a Hufflepuff, but I will die a Ravenclaw. Ooh. All right. So you're sort of cheating. Yeah, for sure. In a way. Because you just want a bit of everything. I think that in my heart, I've always been Ravenclaw. Ooh. All right. So you're sort of cheating. Yeah. For sure. In a way. Because you just want like a bit of everything.

I think that in my heart, I've always been a Hufflepuff and I am a Hufflepuff. You are. Yeah, but. But I have Gryffindor properties. I'm not sorry about saying it. So do I,

but I'm not nearly courageous enough in general to be a Gryffindor. I guess that doesn't make you Gryffindor then. No. The whole point of these alignments is that it's for you and me to say that we are not multitudinous people, that we are one thing. And for you to just jump around and think that you can like... It's cheating the system.

It's cheating the system. You can't do that. All right, fine. I would say that I am a Hufflepuff. Thank you. Okay. There you go. Good.

Two Cedric Diggory's for me. Wow, that's huge. That is huge. Isn't that sad that that's the only Hufflepuff character you can really say I will say like I think it was really cool of JK Rowling to like throw Hufflepuff a bone yeah I like well you guys have said you're amazing and he's like ha everyone wants to do him and Cho Chang is like wants him and Harry, who's a Gryffindor. I have a question.

Sure. Do you read the books? Of course. Absolutely. When you think to the books, or if you've ever for some reason read a part of the books or the books since the movies have existed, do you see the people from the movies in your mind, or do you see your own versions of the characters? That is so interesting. Very interesting.

Now I see them, but I remember when the movies were like introduced to me i was like a little angry because i had such a specific vision in my mind of what it was and there were like real people in my mind i don't know where they came from but i very clearly saw it and this is also very weird but i remember at the time of reading the harry potter books the song that's the way it is by celine dion was like huge so i would always listen to that song and there'd be a music video in my head of Hermione hitting Ron with a pillow and them having time. What?

Very Three's Company. I don't know. It's a very psychotic thing in my brain, but I associate That's the Way It Is with the Harry Potter books. That's interesting. But you know what I'm realizing we didn't do? What?

We didn't ask Ben the question. We can ask him the question. But we're having such a grand time. We're having such a grand time. And I think this actually might be the answer. What? What was the culture that made you say culture was for you? Whoa. Because I know you're a Harry Potter person.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay. You forgot this was coming. This just feels surreal to me in this moment. And I'm now also remembering that there's going to be something later that I don't know what I'm going to do. Oh, we don't know either. I do. I prepared today. I have a couple things that I'm thinking about remembering that there's going to be something later that I, I don't know what I'm going to do. Oh, we don't know either. I do. Um,

I prepared today. I have a couple of things that I'm thinking about. Um, so absolutely. So, okay. So culture wise, I think the obvious thing I need to say is like Sutton Foster singing show off like

I saw that in previews. Wow. I saw it at the Amundsen before it moved to, uh, I saw the out of town tryout. it at the Amundsen before it moved to oh my god I saw the out of town tryout so she's someone else we interviewed at Vulture Festival

and our whole interview with the younger cast was do you understand who she is and what she can do people don't like a lot of people don't understand

like that she's a legend she's in like the Bette Bernadette she's in the top 10 Patty like world top 10 of all time she's in that pantheon

yeah so like yeah that like you know the funny girl soundtrack and like on like yeah that like you know the funny girl soundtrack and like on my boombox like you know Gypsy

the Bette Midler TV movie that world of culture and then also in a very separate way Harry Potter was like the thing that was like that was the only thing where like everybody

was also in on that so it's like I could bond with like also like my male friends and like my cousins and stuff over it and not just like the four gay people slash women that wanted to talk about Patty and Audra.

Everyone loved Harry Potter largely, unless you weren't a reader as a kid. Did I talk about me calling the cops? Have I told you about me calling the cops? No, please. Goblet of Fire was coming out. This was a huge era. A huge era.

Yang, my older sister, was begging my parents to go buy it. And I had just learned what Harry Potter was like two days before. Oh, I know this. Go. And had not read any of the prior three books, but was just high off of like the...

The idea of it? Yes. And just the peripheral buzz from my sister. She was the cultural phenomenon had got you've internalized. We went to Walmart one day and we saw like a big sign with the cover and it looked like the most amazing thing. That's the best cover because it

is. That's the best. Oh, the Goblet of Fire. Yes, absolutely. Filmic. It's amazing. My favorite book. Yes. I do love the bluish sort of subdued Phoenix, but we can continue. Oh, yes. I mean, of course, that's like monotone and I like Half-Blood Prince and Deathly Hallows. Yes. I do love the bluish sort of subdued Phoenix, but we can continue. Oh, yes. I mean, of course. That's like monotone. And I like Half-Blood Prince.

And Deathly Hallows. Amazing. Amazing. Amazing. Anyway. I see the sign for Goblet of Fire. And then Yang's like, please, mom,

can we please go at midnight to buy this? And my mom was like, no. Your mom didn't understand that it was like a thing? She was just like, it's just a book. We'll buy it. We'll buy it on Saturday or whatever. She didn't get it.

She didn't get it. It's fine. We just moved to the US. It was just like, there was a lot going on. It was a crazy time for our family. But I remember Yang so, so emphatically excited about this. And I was feeding off of this too, even though I hadn't read the books. But I was like, I'm going to start with this one.

It makes sense. I'm going gonna start with this one it makes sense I'm gonna start with this one I'm gonna start with book four um why my parents

because I was an idiot and then my parents were like we're not going like end of discussion we're not going and then it got super heated

so heated and then I wait how old are you really quick I was nine okay 2000 yeah I was nine and then I

and then I go yeah it got so heated And then And then Yang was just being histrionic and dramatic And it was like I'll call the I'll call the police

If you don't let us go I'll call the police I'll call the police And tell them you're abusing us That there's child abuse in this house Oh And then And then I was truly like in Yang's corner

And I was like Yeah I'll do it I was like It was like I'll fucking do it And then You was truly like in Yang's corner and I was like, yeah, I'll do it. I was like, I'll fucking do it. And then. You called the police? And then I picked up the phone and dialed 911. Uh-uh.

Hadn't ever done it before. Dialed 911. Dispatcher answers 911. What's your emergency? I get too spooked and I hang up. And then they, of course, call back. They're like, like hi is everything okay and my parents

had to explain in broken English to this dispatcher in Aurora, Colorado oh no um there's our children are upset

that they can't buy this book that's coming out and it was like my god and watch when that person was a huge Harry Potter fan like you're abusing them

I'm upsetting people now separate from the children terrible terrible terrible okay wait I just had to share what is your favorite book well I have to tell you I have a very similar story you're abusing them. I'm upsetting people now. Separate from the children. Terrible, terrible, terrible. Okay, wait. I just had to share that. What is your favorite book? Well, I have to tell you I have a very similar story

that I tell in my concert that is the kind of rabid need for the books when they come out. A lot of them come out in the summer and I went to Jewish summer camp every summer. And I was there when the, I think it was the sixth one came out.

And mine was not coming in the mail in time. And all of my friends were getting it and reading it and finding things out. the sixth one came out yeah and uh mine was not coming in the mail and time and like all my friends were getting it and reading it and finding things out oh my god and i was getting really upset with my parents and there was another kid in my bunk whose name was also ben and so in like literally in the dead of night i got up and stole his copy from his bed the side of his bunk and wrote and kept it and fully got away with it oh my my God, just was a great actor slash liar. And like was, I had never done literally any, like I would never get in trouble.

Like I was not, I was very good at school and camp. So no, everyone believed me and I've not never searched, like suffered any consequences. And I got to read the book. You should serve time for that. I mean,

you should serve time. You should be thrown in prison. That other band. I feel like in, in a way, like my mental prison of anxiety is me serving time for that. There you go. Um, but yeah. And, but then a way, like my mental prison of anxiety is me serving time for that. There you go. But yeah.

And, but then what actually, no, I had, there was karmic retribution because then like two days later, the big like prank that the oldest age group pulls,

they always pull like a big prank towards the end of the session was to write the ending of the book all over camp. So we woke up one morning and in chalk all over the roads and the bath couple says, no,

it said, it said, uh, Snape's the half-blood prince and Snape kills Dumbledore like literally everywhere and people it was like literally the morning after like like a an attack of some kind like literally it was like everybody

showed up to breakfast like really like I will never forget see I think like for some reason like when Snape killed Dumbledore I was kind of like numb to it because I never really connected with Dumbledore. But when Cedric died at the end of the fourth book,

a part of me died too. Cause it was a hot person. No. When a hot person, can I just say when a hot person, who I just saw in lighthouse and it's also amazing. I can see it. Really,

really good. Okay. But I just remember when Cedric died, I was just like, Oh, kids can die. and i remember i put the book down and i like walked around my pool and was just like kids can die wait the outside of the pool or you were in the pool walking around no i actually filled my pockets with rocks and walked into the virginia wolf i virginia wolf i nicole kidman in in the hours you rivereded? I did not. In the politician? Anyone? Oh! I wish I had a river. I could skate away.

You know what's gross? I have so many, not gross, it's nice that everybody's That performance was so beautiful. Thank you, that's very kind. But a lot of young people

who watch the show have either tweeted or said to me like, amazing song you guys wrote for the show. You wrote an amazing new song. It's like, this is painful

and I feel like I'm not doing Joni any favors. But it's Joni Mitchell look it up the children have forgotten Joni I want to say one thing the guy who plays

River on the politician we know is absolutely the hottest person I've ever seen in my entire life and it's actually sicko and ready for me

to break your heart he's also the best kindest person in the whole entire world like literally a hero in every way and straight as can be. No, but he was, I'm an EP,

so I got to watch all of the tapes and stuff, and he was going in for Ricardo the whole time, which is the weird boyfriend of Zoe Deutsch. And you were like, no, no. And the whole time I kept writing in all the emails, like, why is this guy in here? Like, he's literally, like, the dreamy person that you keep talking about for this, like,

River Phoenix role. Like, that's what Ryan would call it, like, the River Phoenix role. Oh, I guess they just saw him more like River Phoenix role like that's what Ryan would call it like the River Phoenix I guess they just they just saw more like River Phoenix type they didn't see him as Superman type

he was like we're gonna get Timmy I was like no you're not gonna get Timmy and then eventually eventually like a month like when we had to like start making decisions

he was like actually we've decided that like we're gonna have David come in and read for River and I was like oh great idea and then of course

he came in and booked it and now he's already the lead in Ryan's other show called Hollywood. Oh, great. Well, he's very much a Ryan Murphy type. That's for sure. That's for sure. And we celebrate that.

Yeah, he'll be huge. Okay, so before we move on to other pursuits of the pod, I do want to ask about Ms. Lange. Okay. This is an icon for all time. Sure. And what is it like to be in the presence of Ms. Lange. Okay. This is an icon for all time. Sure. And what is it like to be in the presence

of Ms. Lange? It's scary at first because she's just a very intimidating person. Yeah, the presence has to be overbearing. But she's, like, so funny. Yeah.

So, like, Zoe Dortch puts it the best because Zoe worked with her the most. Yes. It's hard to feel, like, scared or intimidated when you're laughing. Like, it just kind of creates,

like, a very comfortable space. And as soon as she sees that you can come to the table too and show up, then she's the absolute warmest, most wonderful person. And she's just brilliant. She's really funny on the show. And doesn't consider herself funny or a comedian by any means. And she's just like, I'm just playing it real. And it's like, that's the truth.

It's really, she's just playing. But she's playing it so real. i remember like the in the her first or second scene there's a scene where she says something and the other character is talking and just in the middle of their sentence she goes and i was just like whoa she's really there because to miss lang she's probably thinking oh funny as in broad which i mean but she's not playing it broad no she's just playing it perfect I mean she's just like being true to the insane character that she's given and then is perfect

but she's amazing and she made everybody laugh and I ruined a lot of like she like did a lot of improv that like Brad encouraged her to do and like a lot of it didn't make it A because the show just like is a really particular clip but B because I truly like there wasn't any that I didn't ruin like there was just a lot of the,

like she serves us bologna cups in one of the scenes and she did this a long bit about how like her recipe is all about the fact that it's Velveeta and bologna. Like it would have been really wonderful in the show, but I ruined it. Sorry everyone. Wait, so you mentioned that you deal with a little anxiety.

Like, so when someone is that in, in regards to like, just like, like is that like social anxiety or like performance? Like someone is that in in regards to like just like up like is that like social anxiety like performance yeah like what is that it's kind of the opposite i feel like when it's the the most like completely out of sight out of mind is when i'm like working or focusing on something or shooting or performing or like that's that's the great like easy area so when someone like someone like gwyneth paltrow being there that that doesn't give you anxiety? No, no. That's just like

exciting and the good kind of like stomach flip, like cool. I think for me, anxiety is more either like really site specific, like I'm a terrible flyer, like

I'm horrible on planes or a hypochondriacal situation where like every time there's even like a little something wrong with me, I'm like, I'm fully going to die

tomorrow. So it's about mortality. Exactly. I woke up with a big bump on the back of my neck one morning and I had a full breakdown and called my mom and cried. She was like, just go to the doctor, see what it is. And so I made an emergency appointment and went to the doctor and he looked at me for a second and was like, that's a pimple. And then sent me home. And that was it.

But it felt really rough. Yeah, no, I get it. But all of that. And then sometimes weed either helps that a lot or exacerbates that. But I have it under control mostly nice no i think that has it was weed helped you overall did you get into it because of that no i got into it because i was just in high school in la and like that's what you did and like at the end of the woods cast party someone was like do you want some weed and i was like of course i do i was the baker the coach I can get this bread after um but the culture uh in LA really does like give people this comfort with weed like I remember like on Long Island everyone was just

like fully an alcoholic in high school it was just like very it's like the alcohol consumption was so overwhelming and I had no language for marijuana until I went to NYU and then they were because there was a lot of California people a ton most of the people I know went to NYU. And then because there was a lot of California people. A ton. Most of the people I know went to NYU. Did they? I'm sure.

Serena Berman. Serena Berman. You know Serena? Yes. She was the witch in that same production. Oh, she played the witch in Into the Woods?

Let me tell you, she was amazing. She's a little Bernadette. She's a little Bernadette. She's so fucking talented. She was amazing. Oh, we love Serena. We did comedy with Serena.

Serena was also an excellent improviser. We were both in Sea Monkeys, the improv group. You were in the improv group? Of course I was. I was one of the only two 10th graders that was admitted, honey. That's a very Harry Potter narrative. Did you play in Quidditch as a first year?

Yes, honey. He was grabbing the little bull. Wait, but... Did you do short form form uh yeah and beanie was in it too and i love that uh yeah it was like you know like inner song log or like where you like stop and sing where you're thinking or like you know like vignettes was this thing where you like the lights come up and you're allowed to say like three things and the lights come back down like kind of like the end of it oh hello the thing they do. Or like, you know, boring, like the arms thing. Or like, you know.

To be quite fucking honest, I miss short form. I miss it. Do you want to do some short form? Why? Is it nowhere to be found? No one does it. No, it's just like,

it has a bat. It has like a sort of wrap of like, ooh, short form amongst like people who are like long form elitists. We're from UCB,

so it's like. So it's, we've just never done. And Bowen was an improviser in college, in Dangerbox NYU. And Bowen... But high school,

but high school we did short-form, and it was... Yes. It's really fun. When it's done well, it's great. It's not as sustainable.

Like, you can only watch it for like 45 to 50 minutes, but like, still, that's great. Can I say one more thing about Serena Berman? Say 10 more things about Serena Berman. Amazing, amazing, amazing,

amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing, and... Would, amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing. Would be a great Hermione. Would be a great Hermione. Okay, so what I'm about to say is, Sudi Green and I, Sudi was in the same improv group, Captain Sildur, as Serena. And we went to,

Serena was in Cap 21. And so we went to go see, they did like a night where they were all going to sing Sondheim songs. And Serena did a performance of With So Little to Be Sure Of. Wow. That was so good that afterwards, I looked over at a studio and we were both crying. Oh my God. It was like a two minute version of the song because there was like 14 kids in the class and it had to be an hour.

It was like a showcase? It was like a showcase moment or like something some something like that and i remember like i turned to her and we were both crying and afterwards i went back and was looking for the song like specifically trying to find like an arrangement of the song like that and lo and behold i found bernadette doing it and i preferred serena's i was like this isn't the same thing okay but i do i i think i've even told her that i haven't seen Serena in a long time. I know. But I always told her, I was like, you give me Bernadette energy.

Well, you should see some, there's no, like I've spent my life searching for bootlegs of this Into the Woods because it was like, Beanie as Little Red Riding Hood,

Wow. and Waz the Baker. My best friend Nick was Jack. My best friend Natalie was Jack's mother. Like, it was like a very special and alas,

nobody took any video because of MTI. MTI. MTI. What is that? Musical musical theater international that's like where you license the shows from when you but then by senior year we were like fuck that and my pippin is fully recorded well my pippin is recorded too you were pippin no i'm just i was making an innuendo oh um i got excited no i didn't. Beanie's in that one too. She's Bertha.

Oh. And my friend Catherine Gallagher who's now in Jagged Little Pills. Wait, Catherine Gallagher. Why do I know that name? She's in Jagged Little Pills? Jagged Little Pills. She's on You. Oh, sure, sure, sure.

Great. I just heard the arrangement of You Learn from Jagged Little Pills. I think that's going to be a good show. I think it's going to be cute. I'm very excited. Yeah. And there's not a lot of musicals,

period, this year. What's been your favorite thing you've seen recently in the be cute. I'm very excited. Yeah. And there's not a lot of musicals period this year. What's been your favorite thing you've seen recently in the past several years? Oh my gosh. Wow. I would imagine you don't get to see a ton.

I see everything. You do? Really? Everything. Oh! Not when you were on Dear Evan. No, during that year I couldn't see much.

But since I've been out from late 2017 to now I've tried to see literally everything I could possibly see. Okay. I really loved Hadestown. Yeah.

But I also saw it downtown and in London. So I sort of was invested in the journey. I really loved that. I really loved The Inheritance, which is about to open here, that I saw in London as well. Very excited for it to come here. I really loved Mockingbird, particularly Celia, Keenan Bolger, and

Gideon. We've got to get Gideon on the show. Isn't he also an Ernst? Oh my god, what? Although I have not met Gideon Gideon another Ernst we gotta get Gideon on the show we gotta get Gideon on isn't he also an Ernst he's the Ernst oh my god although I have not met Gideon in in person maybe in passing once

we used to go out for a lot of the same like I would see him at a lot of auditions oh I thought you were telling me we used to go out and I was like but you haven't seen him

I haven't seen him I haven't met him but we used to go out we used to absolutely bang um no but um yeah let me

I did you like you're just bragging that you're the same type stop oh and a strange loop did you see strange loop yes i i can't believe you didn't see it it'll go somewhere somehow some it was absolutely amazing larry is unreal stunning and i can't believe it's not him you know what i mean like like i couldn't believe that he didn't also write it because it just feels like so it's like the conduit of the whole thing it was really it was really something else

have you seen Slave Play? I have seen Slave Play I really it's hard to say that you like Slave Play because it's like more than that I certainly thought

it was fascinating the whole time and like really worth seeing in every way but it more so just made me want to like talk about things and think about things

yeah for sure I wasn't like I don't know like it's more than like a narrative that's just like something to be involved in emotionally in like a normal way. It's provocative in every way. It literally provokes you.

But the writing like backs up how provocative it is. You know what I mean? Sometimes things are just sort of like, this is crazy, deal with it. No, it's so fully explored, fully thought out. Agreed. It's great. Agreed.

I have to see it still. You do. But what even else besides Diagon Little Pill and moulin rouge are the musicals and you know honestly that that's a good question and that's why i mean moulin rouge too it's like when i heard about moulin rouge i did not go just because actually when jared and i were going to go see a show we ended up really wanting to go see waitress because we wanted to see Noah, but, um, we, it was either that or Moulin Rouge and it was going to be opening night. Oh wow. And it was like,

we, we, for some reason were able to get tickets. Um, but we did not. And I, I just thought it's definitely worth going to. Okay.

I want to go on a normal time. Cause I've heard the soundtrack and I'm kind of, I'm kind of gagged like by what they included in there i know it's like it's like also the thing that karen levo is doing she's kind of giving you like this odd sort of like i i've i found a reference for it when i was first listening it's like theater doing pop it's like it's like very that it's like making firework into a three beat like narrative song yeah yeah what i mean yes but but it's really fun it's i mean you go you have to go like It's like making firework into a three beat narrative song. Yes.

You know what I mean? But it's really fun. I mean, you have to go ready to get on board with Shut Up and Dance With Me being part of your evening. And I love that. Do you know what I mean? But if you're on that level, then it's gorgeous looking and expensive and beautiful. And I love Mr. Tate. And he sounds career good. The best he's ever sounded.

He's such an incredible singer. And so handsome. Yeah. I mean, yes. Anyway. Oh. Oh. sounds like career good like the best he's ever sounded he's such an incredible singer and so handsome yeah i mean yes anyway oh oh oh mr tate uh mr mr tate mr tate it's mr tveit tveit stupid mr tate you're so dumb i was one time leaving a show like some random play that i was seeing an old woman came out to me afterwards and she goes to bait no almost you're like maybe you're one off um okay listen i think it might be freaking time for i don't think so honey isn't it set well you can come back whenever you want okay the door is fully open maybe next time being i can come together oh my god wait we would absolutely gag but then

i would feel like would be, so here's what's going to happen. Beanie, you come for her own episode. Does Beanie know of the pod? Yes, she does. Because of Molly and Francesca. Because they've really brought it to the crew now. Okay, so I feel like Beanie being the Ravenclaw is like,

I don't do podcasts. I read books. No, she does. She went on, like, Ron and Beverly was the old podcast that we used to do. Ron and Beverly. She went on there. She went on Jax's podcast.

She'll come on. I'm not booking her. I don't speak for her. She does have a pub. Are you close with Jonah? Yes. Our families are very close. He's a good guy.

He's really good friends with Greta. I know because she's best friends with his fiance. Yes. Which Greta? Titleman. Oh, okay. No, we love Jonah. I honestly thought that you were like casually and in passing discussing Greta Gerwig.

Oh, no, no, no. Are we just going to pretend that? You know, Greta, my girl Greta. No, have not met and spent time with and lived with in the house of Greta Gerwig the way I live with

Greta Teitelman that's where I live in LA beautiful thank you okay so listen and by the way that's Greta oh literally

your background gorgeous that's how iconic she is that's the kind of energy I'm trying to serve every single day what's that guy who draws all the gay men

in pools oh you know the guy the artist the guy the draws all the gay men in pools? Oh. Oh. You know, the guy, the artist. The guy? The artist.

No, the like beautiful Hockney. Hockney. All right, someone knows art. Wow. Someone absolutely knows art. I know like two things and he just used one of them.

The other one is Sunday on the Island of La Granja. Yeah. Ooh. Okay, George. Because of Sunday in the Park. Because of Sunday in the Park. Okay. He's flexing for the producers of Sunday in the park. Because of Sunday in the park. Okay.

He's flexing for the producers of Sunday in the park. And that's it. No. Who's producers? There's nothing happening. There's no thing. Well, someone get it together. Jake Gyllenhaal will be the last George.

No, bitch. No, I'm just kidding. We need to see that part. I'm going to produce it. And I have to wait for this amazing Katrina Lenk production of Company to pass so that I can also do Bobby. Oh my God. Yes.

But it's amazing. I saw it in London. It's great. Is Katrina Lenk Bobby? Yes. Wait. this is what i wanted to ask you what you mentioned funny girl before we were a funny girl house i actually have never even seen sound of music to this day i know they're not mutually exclusive stop it for a second everyone stop yelling everyone's throwing darts at me and trying to kill me in this room. Everyone's biting me. Everyone stop. Get your teeth away.

Stop it. Emma. All right. So here's the tea. You don't like joy? No. Sound and music is something I feel that is exposed to you at a young age. Sure.

The only movie that my mom would show me was Funny Girl. I watched it recently and I was like, this is a great movie. If you bite me again Funny Girl. I watched it recently and I was like, this is a great movie. If you bite me again. So, Funny Girl is the only thing I've ever seen of that vein. Did you see? So you've not seen like West Side Story? No. Or Cabaret?

You've never seen West Side Story? Henry used to kill me. My ex-boyfriend would kill me. Before whatever this is going to be, this movie comes out, you have to watch the real one. You have to watch.

Just so you have the context and also because it's one of the best musical movies of all time. Can I tell you who I'm shocked they didn't cast in that movie? Me?

What? Maria. You? Ben. And also, I'm shocked. Camila Cabello. Camila Cabello.

I had heard that Camila Cabello wanted to do it and I'm like, I'm shocked they didn't put her in it just because she's such a huge star. Was that really?

Yes. I just threw that out as a joke. No, I know that she wanted to do it. I'm like I'm shocked they didn't put her in it just because she's such a huge star was that really yes I just threw that out as a joke no I know that she wanted to do it oh she was who knows there's a million like studio people who could have been like

had some weird reasons Steven Spielberg maybe was like I'd like to cast an unknown and that girl's amazing looks like she's amazing oh yeah I'm sure it's gonna be stunning

and Mr. Ansel who we've also who we also interviewed for Vulture Mr. Ansel I yeah he's a lot of energy I can't believe you haven't seen West Side Story either no I haven't seen it okay so you'll have Oh yeah, I'm sure it's going to be stunning. And Mr. Ansel, who we also interviewed for Vulture. Mr. Ansel. He's a lot of energy. I can't believe you haven't seen West Side Story either. No, I haven't seen it.

Okay, so you'll have to watch Sound of Music and West Side Story. And you've seen Cabaret though. I've seen Cabaret. Okay, good. I love Cabaret. I actually, I did go to opening night of the Michelle Williams, Alan Cumming revival. I thought a lot of thoughts about that particular situation

where it was like going to be Emma, but then it was Michelle, and then it was Emma after it's like put her in a tough position and we love Michelle Michelle's amazing but Emma was I didn't get to see Emma but I heard it was fantastic

it was everything I saw there was like a bootleg video someone recorded her doing my hair there's a cabaret too you can watch her do Life is a Cabaret

oh great not that I condone bootlegs but I do but yeah yeah yeah after the show has closed yeah I think we're okay like I said I've said on this podcast you can go to Lincoln Center

and they have archives you can sit and you can watch archives I flew here in 11th grade because we were doing City of Angels for our school musical and I wanted to know what role to audition for so I went and watched City of Angels at the library to see like what's my role and I found it and I loved it there you go bitch

that's the commitment let me finish this fucking sentence okay well I and I found it and I loved it yeah well there you go bitch come on that's the commitment this let me finish this fucking sentence okay well I funny girl is not does not exclude or preclude you

from watching sound of music they're very unrelated they're so unrelated I'm just saying there's a space you're creating a narrative that's Barbara versus

fucking Barbara versus Julia no I'm not I'm not putting women against each other apples and apples and Judaism yeah well apples and Judaism might women against each other apples and apples and judaism

yeah well apples and judaism might be so i love them judaism um just so you know i'm a hpe i'm sorry that's your name um okay wait what i'm saying is there's like a space that your parents show you a movie like that there's a movie musical that you that imprints on you i understand and for me that one was Funny Girl, and I just haven't seen it since. So what I'm asking you is, did you see the production in London? Yes, I did. I don't really know what to say about it. Okay.

I loved it. Really? A Funny Girl or Sound of Music? Funny Girl. Here's the thing. The production was great, and I love seeing that show in any respect for me I only want to hear Fanny Bryce or not even just Barbara

I want to hear somebody scream the song I get you it's like eight huge numbers it's not even it's not like a Harold Hill situation

where you can talk through most of it it's like big big torch songs and she was super funny and I've seen her in other things this is Sheridan

yeah I saw the understudy so basically remember all that drama where Sheridan was like in and out of seen her in other things and she was amazing this is Sheridan yes I saw the understudy so basically remember all that drama where Sheridan was like in and out of it because of whatever was going on sort of

so there was like some drama because Sheridan Smith who's like this like star in England who I had never heard of she's sort of like

a tabloid figure too I think she's had some demons everyone's like a tabloid figure in the UK well the UK is like their tabloids are like crazy

and that's I think I hadn't really understood what Meghan Markle was going through everyone's like a tabloid figure in the uk well the uk is like their tabloids are like crazy yeah and that's i i think i hadn't really understood what megan markel was going through until i really understood like the tabloid system there and like how vicious it is but it's very dark but um what's the like crazy one is it the sun or what's the daily mail um i think but basically like she was out of the show because of some personal problem and i remember these like hoity-toity theater people in london were like we paid to see sheridan smith we're not couldn't stay here oh this story of my life and then so then she went on and she was stunning and she actually had like a voice oh okay Ben wants her to

scream the songs I felt she screamed the songs oh my god I love him like that that song is not in the show

but I don't say I don't mean scream I just mean like full voice belt beautifully like I want her to be an amazing singer well to be Fanny Bryce

on stage effectively you have to be an amazing singer and hilarious an incredible dramatic actress an incredible physical comedian let me tell you who's born to play Fanny Bryce Beanie Feldstein oh my god 100% just saying an amazing singer and hilarious dramatic actress an incredible physical comedian let me tell you

who's born to play Fanny Bryce Beanie Feldstein oh my god 100% just saying just saying just saying

Beanie is Fanny Ben is George or I would love a Jesse Mueller Fanny Bryce too that's fun too you know remember when like

it was like very much talked about like for Lea Michele to do it having seen it I don't see that for Lea I don't either I feel like there's a phase of every major musical project where there's a moment where it's like is it gonna be Lea Michele to do it. Having seen it, I don't see that for Lea. I don't either. I feel like there's a phase of every major musical project

where there's a moment where it's like, is it going to be Lea Michele? Do you know what I mean? There was an alphabet in the movie moment where it's like, is it going to be Lea Michele?

I feel like that moment passed, but I would like to see her come back to Broadway. Oh, I would love to hear her sing in any capacity. Yeah, I love Lea Michele's voice. I think that she, I think if she were to come back

to Broadway, everyone would be so excited. I agree. She's probably just waiting for the right thing right yeah I'm turning what even is a good is the role maybe something original

maybe something original that's see that's the thing too with all the ladies is like when Sutton was doing like Shrek and shit I was like

ugh I was like do something original but then it's like you realize how hard it is it's so hard to get something like that like not

not everything is just this like next to normal where it just like right happens and is incredible and is perfectly one every like six or seven years yeah totally i mean evan hansen is one of not everything is a damn dear evan hansen yeah come on but anyway it's just i i would i would love to see better not better stuff but just like more stuff that's original and thought-provoking and like in musical theater yeah because we there are a lot of you know i'm talking there's a lot of experts better stuff but just like more stuff that's original and thought-provoking and like in musical theater yeah because we there are a lot of you know i'm talking there's a lot of expert well no but i agree there's a lot of like there's a large percentage of it that's one type of thing that sometimes people will see and then write off musical theater in general as an art form as like

something that they're not into yeah and it's like of all of the like obviously there's millions of different kinds of films and television shows whatever but in theater it's like, of all of the, like, obviously there's millions of different kinds of films and television shows, whatever. But in theater, it's like you can have such vastly different experiences going to see like 42nd Street to like, you know, having like an emotional involving like narrative experience. And knowing that that's possible when people are singing and like knowing that it doesn't take you out of reality and in fact, like can bring you like deeper into reality. But it's so for you and far between the shows that like actually successfully do that and also i i would think i i also think that when you have like a movie that's being made a musical oftentimes it's just very easy to just try to transplant that like you know like the pretty woman of it all or etc etc and then you have like legally blonde which is like really fun and like that was great but then did you see bridges of madison county i did see bridges madison county did you see Bridges of Madison County? I did see Bridges of Madison County. Did you like it? I mean, I think that as a show, it could have used other things,

but the two of them and the score and both performances and the direction of the two of them, all of that was unbelievably gorgeous. It was so beautiful. But what I really appreciated it was, it felt like its own thing. 100%.

You know what I mean? It didn't feel like the movie got put on stage. It felt like a piece. That's great. That was a piece of art that was like and honestly i almost thought that my note for it was i thought it could have just been the two of them yeah to be honest with you that's exactly what i meant i would say i think that's you're exactly right either either just fill it out a little bit more and make that stuff that wasn't the two of them kind of matter more no i just wanted or scale it literally a tete-a-tete because it's 90 that anyway like i don't necessarily like

need like a beautiful gorgeous derrick clanna coming in and singing about like being a teenager in iowa right i don't i don't i don't care as much as i care about like kelly's incredible italian accent and like yeah getting out of the tub can i tell you a derrick clanna story of course my friend luke marinkovic's bachelor party was paintball gunning. Oh my God. And me and Derek Klena have shot each other. Wow.

And he is... Not many people can say that. I know. And he is hot. We've shot each other. And he's a nice guy. And he's famously DJ Fingerblast on Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt.

That is true. Oh, that's funny. And he does an amazing impression of Stephen Sater, if you ever meet him, who is the writer of Spring Awakening yes a very interesting creature

okay and for more of that follow Derek Clint on Instagram he's in Jack and Little Pill too is he? oh he fucking works yeah

and I thought he was great on Kimmy Schmidt so funny I love Kimmy Schmidt I love Kimmy Schmidt okay so it is now time for I Don't Think So Honey yes

you can even believe and the I Don't Think So Honey is of course our segment on believe. And I Don't Think So Honey is, of course, our segment on Las Cotterices where we take one minute to rant against something in culture that we're just thinking, it thinks it's this. Well, guess what, folks? We're going to say this.

I have to find a new way to describe it every time. I love it. Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey on this, the Ben Platt episode of Las Cotterices, which will be called Apples or Judaism. Time starts now. I Don't think so, honey. Perishable foods, bitch. This stigma on preservatives has

to stop. We have to end the stigma on preservatives. Canned food is where it's at. I want all food to be canned from now on. Fruits and vegetables, you're done. You're busted. You're canceled. I fucking hate when I buy a bunch of strawberries or a bunch of grapes, and three days later, they wither and die, and I can't even eat them anymore.

I put them in my crisper. I make sure they're taken care of, and yet they die on me? No, no, no, no, no, sweetie. 30 seconds. You better be fresh all the time, and if nothing can be fresh all the time, then that means it better be unspoiled. So it's either honey or canned shit for me from now on until the rest of time. Look, I'll find

veganism, great. Gluten-free, great. The next movement in food ethics is for all food to not be perishable. And I think that is the next frontier. And mark my words. Five seconds. The science has to get there

for me to not have to, um, uh, for, for, for me to not have to worry about things expiring. And that's one minute. Can I say something? I kind of want you to end every one of your, I don't think so.

Honey's with I'll sue because you, you weren't here before we had Benito skin and Ron and he ended up with being, I'll sue. And I kind of love that for you. Remember that? Remember that? And then before I ended his other one, he went, remember that? And I love that for you. And I also love I'll sue. I'll kind of love that for you. That's a fun one. Remember that? Remember that? And then before I end this other one, he went,

remember that? And I love that for you and I also love, I'll sue. I'll sue. I like, for you, I like small,

short, powerful declarations. Two words. Wow. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Thank you,

thank you, thank you. Well, that was very good. That was good. I mean, the thing about perishable foods is they perish

and therefore, I don't think so, honey. And I don't think so, That's why I think it's so hard to cook too because you have to think so in advance to buy things that aren't going to die by the time you're ready to cook them.

Yeah, thank you. And get out of here with this. And I'm busy. Get out of here with this. Here's a list of pantry items. I'm on Quibi, honey. I'm on Quibi, honey. I'm on Quibi.

I'm a Quibi girl. Guys, wait. Listeners, readers, can you please download Quibi when it comes out? Please download Quibi. Please. I really want you guys to watch. So many things I've already heard

that are happening on there that I want to see. There's going to be some cool stuff. And we just wrapped Game Show. And I think it's going to be really good, you guys. I can't wait. So I want everyone to please download Quibi. It's going to be so fun. They put so much work into this.

It's so great. The whole crew is perfect. Bowen Yang is on it. Ben Platt was on avail. Lynn Finkel. Ben Platt was on avail. Well, I'm here now. Yeah, you're here now.

You're on avail. And I'm coming to your goddamn show. Yes! Tonight. Tonight. I was coming anyway. I had tickets as an audience member, so it's just... Well, and honestly, by the time this episode is out, you'll have stunned the crowd.

Wow. Because we are saving it as a surprise. It's a little surprise. No, they'll be very gagged. Are you kidding me? Very, very excited. All of... It's going to be very...

So maybe I should hide backstage. We'll talk. We'll talk. We'll talk. We'll talk. No, I want you to do whatever you want to do. No, no, no. Yeah.

That's fine. My friends can come hang, and then we can all come hang. But we'll talk. Of course. They can absolutely come hang. Okay, maybe we'll talk we'll talk no i want you to do whatever you want to do yeah my friends can come hang and then we can all come hang but we'll talk you can they can absolutely come hang okay maybe we'll do that we're gonna be we're gonna be tending to our friend i know oh yeah we'll figure it out all right and for now this is ben platts i don't think so honey is he ready yeah i'll do my best he's gonna know this is gonna be amazing this has been plus i don't think so honey as time starts now i don't think so honey live theater audience etiquette in general i was gonna say just phones because that's the biggest one it's like the one decision you have to make when you sit down is to turn your phone off and

if there's something so urgent going on in your life that you need to have your phone on because you're worried about checking it don't come to the theater darling thank you don't come sit in a room for two hours if you can't stand to be in there without checking your phone turn it off we're doing so much work for you the least you can do is press one button before we start um the other one is coughing i understand if there's something in your throat that's impeding your ability to breathe that you need to release but 99.999 of coughs are completely gratuitous there sounds like just to fill space and to let us know that we're not keeping your attention or that the tension in the room caused by the drama is not enough for you oh my every noise you make noise you make affects the people on stage. So think about everything that's

coming out of your mouth. Just for this hour and a half or two hours. It's not that hard of a request to make. Don't bring any fucking food in either way. I understand that there's concessions. You can buy them in intermission. Eat them in intermission. That's great. Do not be unwrapping Skittles while I'm crying for you. Honestly. And also, don't

talk to each other. Thank you. And that's one minute. Thank you so much. And you know what? I have to tell you. I've done a similar one just for unwrapping food. But this coming from you is going to make Patti LuPone headlines. This is going to be, this is akin to Patti LuPone saying, Turn off the microphone! Are you ready?

I was at the performance where she yelled at the photographer. Oh my God. I was in the house. And did you love it? I loved every minute of it. I believe that now it's pretty clear that it was a hired photographer that she just wasn't aware of because it was a man. Oh my god. Because it was a man taking

photos very, very like audaciously in the aisle with a real camera. And it's just hard for me to believe that that's just someone in the crowd who likes photos. So I think it was like something that should have been brought by her and then what and was not but i lived for every minute of it unbelievable to be there live when she turned her damn face thank you oh my god she's a legend she's unbelievable she's one of the so i'm guessing that you stand the barbara cook kennedy center oh Are you kidding me? It's the only video I watch.

The only video I'll ever watch is that. I mean, also Sutton. Don't be afraid! I was just like way up there. This is all very new to me. We love Laura too in this house. Everybody's so perfectly used in that medley too. And then for Audra to come out last.

It's to be part of a Kennedy Center medley for someone. You should really want to. That's my dream really, like is to be part of a Kennedy Center medley for someone. You should. I really want to. Absolutely, it'll happen. Oh, that's coming. Okay, good. Wow, honestly, also, here's the thing about coughing. You can almost always just swallow.

Correct, that's what I mean. Unless it's gonna like threaten your health, even if it's gonna make you momentarily uncomfortable, do not make a noise. Don't make a noise. There are so many effective ways of muffling the sound. Covering your mouth, like doing it in your,

yeah, exactly, in your elbow, everything. There's so many just like really very like reckless, just like it's like, that affected me. I hear that and I'm thinking about that and not Jennifer Laura Thompson.

Yeah, 100%. Absolutely gratuitous. Be conscious watching you know we barely go watch movies anymore and like that's so this is the only time most people are sitting

in a dark room and have to pay attention anyway so it's like just be there the amount of money that everyone else paid to be there for the experience

and it's just like it's so expensive and like just for me to I remember I think it was you know what it was it was towards the end of I think it was Skin you know what it was? It was towards the end of, I think it was Skin Tight.

I saw the play that Idina was in. It was like truly they were having, it was like the emotional climax of it. And someone was just coughing and coughing to the point where everyone in the theater was like, oh my God. If you're that sick, don't come. Yeah, don't come.

Don't come. Sudi and I went to what the constitution means to me oh I love that show it was great and then it was me and her it was her me and this older gentleman

who took about 20 minutes to take off his coat took 20 minutes just like and it was like a noisy

noisy noisy coat just like and then I was like I was fine with it I was like oh it's a with it. I was like, oh, it's a little distracting, but Sooty,

Sooty's very sad. She's just like, yeah. And it was really funny to see her that pissed off. But to play devil's advocate, I also did once get mad at someone who was sitting

in front of me at Wicked for turning to me and glaring at me while I was gasping at the Defying Gravity vocals. No! That's fine. That's a totally different

type of watching. I was there with Noah Galvin and Jessica Vosk was singing like, so if you're gonna find me. And we were like, ah! And this guy was like, shh. We were like, you don't understand Wicked, sir. Yes.

You're not here for the right reasons. You can't feel in your throat what she's doing. You're like a bad Bachelor contestant. There you go. 100%. Wow. That is the transaction, though. The theater is that you get to respond as an audience member.

Yes, the response is different. Like, standing during fucking I'm Here, like in Color Purple, and you're like, that's amazing. I'll be in Like standing during fucking I'm Here like in Color Purple and yeah, that's amazing. I'll be in the aisles. I'll be like this. Fully. I saw Fantasia do that.

Oh. Ripped it up. I wish she could have done it in the production that was the later production. Yeah. I think they really got the world right the second time.

They nailed it. Even though the songs and the material are already great. So I would have loved to see that. So did you see it with Cynthia, Danielle and Jennifer? I saw it five times because it was right before I was about to do Evan Hansen and I was getting really scared about it. And I saw Cynthia once the first time I went

and I was so like blown away by what she was able to do that. I was like, I have to go see her on five different days of the week and see if she's really always doing this. And she always was doing that performance. So I saw her with Jennifer Hudson twice. I saw Heather Headley twice. Oh my God. And I saw Jennifer Holiday once. Oh! this and she always was doing that performance so i saw her with jennifer hudson twice i saw heather headley twice oh my god and i saw jennifer holiday once oh whoa i forgot that jennifer holiday stepped into that yes that's for how long i feel like i didn't i just got chills wow

it was a very different experience but a very special one i mean heather was the was the best i mean heather's off the stage the way wow, you saw so many. The way that she chooses to express words that are not really the words she's saying. Actress. She's a genius. Have you heard

the concert version of Dreamgirls? I don't know that I've heard Lilia's. With Audra McDonald as Dina and Lilia's as Miss Effie White. I've at least seen bit parts. Heather is Laurel in it

and is really funny. Wow. What about the- And Billy Porter is James Sonder early. Oh, great. Wow it and it's really funny wow what about the billy porter is james thunder early oh great okay that's amazing what about the uh concert where lilius is fanny bryce have you ever seen that i've seen that one because that didn't it wasn't it like they were all a bunch of different fanny bryces yes yeah and she does dominion parade which is amazing because adina was in that one and at the end she goes parade and you're like oh my god parade yeah I have heard that

wow wait before we before we cap this off have you seen the Brandy Chavon Massey Defying Gravity no I don't think so

okay well usually I just watch Jessica Vosk over and over again because to me she's vocally immaculate there was this there was this stand by or understudy

named Brandy Chavon Massey who got her shot at Defying Gravity and what she does at the end was absolutely iconic and epic. Can we watch it

when we finish this? Yes. Yeah, yeah, 100%. We think about it constantly. It's my favorite thing that's ever happened on the Broadway stage. I'm sorry.

Oh, wow. Have you heard the Valjean, the Hungarian Valjean eat it at the end of Who Am I? Oh, no. Okay, you also have to listen to it.

It's crazy. It's crazy. No, no. Brandi Chavon Massey didn't't even eat it she just like slayed it in a way that's like so different it's so different extreme we can't wait what are we even doing here okay okay so literally we have to we have to stop but this was so fun to have you guys this was a dream come true oh my underplayed like i truly often i've said this embarrassingly

and I think in a DM too, but truly when I'm feeling like anxious or sad or like about the world, I listen to this podcast and walk around the city and it makes me feel so much better. So thank you for letting me. Well, you do that for us too, babe.

That just fills my damn heart. I love that so much. You rock and anytime you want to come back. You're a legendary talent. Thank you so much for coming on. And also we're going to go see Kelly in Vegas. We're going to see Kelly in Vegas. Yeah.

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