Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - “Are You A Slut?” (w/ Joe Castle Baker)

Episode Date: March 20, 2019

On this week's psychologically slutty episode, Joe Castle Baker joins Matt and Bowen to discuss rumors surrounding their NYU days, the sexuality of the Blue Man Group, a Fire Island TRIP, and the vulnerability of naming a playlist.---MERCH! MERCH! GET YOUR LAS CULTURISTAS MERCH!https://www.teepublic.com/stores/las-culturistasLAS CULTURISTAS HAS A PATREON! For $5/month, you get exclusive access to WEEKLY Patreon-ONLY Las Culturistas content!!https://www.patreon.com/lasculturistasSUBSCRIBE ON APPLE PODCASTS TODAY!CONNECT W/ LAS CULTURISTAS ON FACEBOOK & TWITTER for the best in "I Don't Think So, Honey" action, updates on live shows, conversations with the Las Culturistas community, and behind-the scenes photos/videos:www.facebook.com/lasculturistastwitter.com/lasculturistasLAS CULTURISTAS IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST. LAS CULTURISTAS IS PRODUCED BY EMMA FOLEY.http://foreverdogproductions.com/fdpn/podcasts/las-culturistas/ Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Dog. Look, man. There. Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow. Forever! Dog! address. Our guest has a mug that he's drinking coffee out of right now, and you fully gooped and gagged and laughed. I laughed so hard. At the words on a mug, at a mug joke. Okay, because I hadn't seen this mug before. Is this mug in the studio, HPE? Okay, and to know that there's been comical mugs around the

studio, and I haven't seen them. It really makes you question everything. My mind needs to be expanded. Just read the mug. I don't understand. So imagine reading this for the very first time and getting to the end of the sentence and what it must have felt like to get to this punchline.

This mug says, the captain is always right, and I'm the captain. I think it's very funny. Very Captain Phillips. You know what? It's mug humor. Mug humor is specific. Mug humor is specific.

Mug humor is different than dad humor. Oh. It's its own subculture of humor. You know the thing about mug humor? It doesn't have to be super sharp. It doesn't have to be, you know, Tina Fey. It can just be light humor. Yes.

And you can get the same thing out of it as you would sitting in front of an episode of Tina Fey. An episode of Tina Fey. You're right. But that, shouldn't the bar be raised on mug humor? I think we can just equalize everything across all platforms. You always

want more. You do. And you're never satisfied with enough. It's really a thing about you. Sure. I never, ever, ever want for more with our guest. Does that make sense? I get...

Well, here's what I was saying. Here's what I would say. Does that statement make sense to you? As someone who makes no sense in the majority of the time, I would say i will take it but say it again i never want for more from our guests i know i think here's the way you should say it our guest never leaves me wanting more no no our guests always leaves me wanting more no that's not good no no no, no. Okay, our guest is so fucking good.

How about that? You are fucking, what's her face? Lil Mama on America's Next Dance Crew? America's Next Top Dance Crew. Next Top Dance Crew. It was Lil Mama. Yes, Lil Mama was famous.

She was famous. She did not know how the English language works. She was like, I love the fire that you brought and you extinguished that fire. You extinguished that fire with that performance i love you guys so much you always cease to amaze me you always cease to amaze me you always cease it's actually rule of culture number 94 you always cease to amaze me and so she was iconic

she was iconic but oh remember when she went up up on stage at the VMAs? Oh, I could never forget. But I'm basically, I had a little mama moment where I just, I said something that you knew, the audience knows what I'm trying to say, but it's not said in the right way. This is my whole life. I don't know my words, I do know my heart. Oh, thank you. Wait a minute, speaking of little podcast

catchphrases, Matt is wearing, and we're eating grapes. Fruit is what candy is based on. I have to ask a question. Who brought the grapes? I brought the grapes and grapes are like candy. I am wearing right now.

Grapes are like candy. In fact, fruit is what candy is based on. There is many pieces of candy that is based on grapes. There is many pieces of candy. And so what I'm wearing right now is a little piece of merch

that says fruit is what candy is based on, which is the dumbest sentence in the world and it wasn't even said by me. It was, or by me, it was by Sudi Green. Yes says, fruit is what candy is based on, which is the dumbest sentence in the world, and it wasn't even said by me. It was, or by me. It was by Sudi Green. Yes.

And fruit is what candy is based on. I think about this every day. A smart dumb bitch. I was eating dried mango last night. Good for you. I've been really good about my late night eating. I have not. Instead of ordering from like a grilled cheese from a diner

at like two in the morning, I just, I munched on dried mango, and I thought, this is candy. Fruit is what candy is based on. Before we bring in the morning, I just, I munched on dried mango and I thought, this is candy. Fruit is what candy is based on. Before we bring in the guest, I want to just talk one more thing about, because you brought up food that's not good to eat.

Uh-huh. I'm shocked that you and the guest don't have a history with checkers, the restaurant checkers, the fast food restaurant checkers. Oh, okay, yeah. We can talk about this. We're going to talk about this

for the majority of the episode today. No, I don't know. There's a checker anyway on like 14th and A. There's a lot of checkers. I was like fucking blown away that there was a checkers. There's a lot of checkers. Well, I didn't know about this. And so all the culturistas in New York, now you know.

There's a fucking checkers in New York and it's on 14th and between like, between 14th and 13th on like First Avenue. There's one here in Brooklyn. There's one on Court Street. Don't tell me that. It's watermarked? Ear me that. Watermarked. Earmarked. Earmarked on your maps.

I don't know, bitch. All right. I love our guests so much. I just did the corporate retreat that this, that our guests are fabulous guests did as his character, Gordon. And let me tell you something.

Each and every person in the audience was more than tickled. They were thoroughly entertained. And I was like, that's because this is like a fucking confident ass performer that's just like good it's just funny and appealing and the voice is pinpoint precise i love it like i i very much like exactly what i look for in an experience of watching a performer but then you know what the deeper pleasure is what's the deeper pleasure, bitch? Is getting to know him as a friend. You came back from Fire Island trip, and literally

this is a boner, because I did not go. I famously skipped out on the trip to go experience some time in Los Angeles and get back to really my roots. What did I say? You said, we have a new Judy. We have a new Judy. Well, not that we weren't always Judys, but you came back from this trip

and you were like, you had had an experience. You had had like a next, well, the experience was acid. But also like you also like fully were like, I have a new like top person in my life and it's Joe Castlebaker. And I was like,

I already co-signed. I'm already there. I'm already on board. And it's as if I had the experience myself. Yes. I mean, just the true grew of the commute. Do you know I mean, just the true grew of the commute. Do you know what I'm saying?

True grew of the commute. And also, you know, all the boys are talking about... Oh, some pictures. You know, let's just say he's tickled us in more ways than that. Oh! Don't do this. Don't lead with the sex. I never lead with sex.

It's six minutes and 14 seconds in. All right. I'm not talking about sex. You know, every three. What is it? Every six seconds. I think about sex. I waited six minutes.

Okay. Now, it's time. It's time to please bring in our guest for today. Joe Castle Baker. Wow. What an intro. What an intro. And can you believe we didn't even say the plug that we're supposed to do?

Oh my God, the plug. Get real. Get real. Get real. Get real. Get real. Get real. Get real.

Get real. Get real. Get real. Hello. Such a fun show. Hi, Joe. Hi. I truly believe that we are like war pals after Fire Island.

We are. We truly are war pals. You know what I remember so vividly is the image of you. This was at the peak of our LSD. At the LSD. Yeah, yeah. Moment. Just moment. We all went back into the house and you're like, I need to chop some fruit. was at the peak of our LSD moment as we

all went back into the house and you're like I need to chop some fruit and you took up you fully this was a psychotic moment it truly felt psychotic are you sure we should be touching knives at all

and we're all just in the kitchen screaming like lunatics and then Joe has like a knife with him. And he's just like pairing this. He's scoring the thing of the pineapple, opens it up. And then he does this hand. He does this like violent chop. Oh,

like with one hand didn't, didn't, didn't, didn't stabilize. The pineapple just goes back. And I was like, truly something visceral like like oh my god stressed me out i don't remember this at all i was like does it sound safe it

doesn't sound safe it was not safe at all it was not safe i mean it wasn't safe but that was the thrill that was the thrill but that was the moment dangerous it was and then like it was the chop chop trap and then all of us i think me max peter, we were all like, wait, wait, wait, let's be careful. Like we all like had a communal moment of like, hold on, wait, stop. Because especially like, I feel like when you're on acid, it's like, and like there could be something that dangerous that could happen.

You do consider it deeply. I mean, if that had happened, if I had cut off a finger on acid on the final day of Fire Island, can you imagine? No, that wouldn't be the way imagine it goes in the book it would be a great book chapter it would have been a good yeah do you guys feel this way i feel like it's i'm constantly living in fear that like the times that i've done it

already have like cut a hole in my brain and i don't feel this way okay i've done it twice i did it that one time yeah and then I did it with my brother and his wife and their friend at my mom's house in Connecticut and it was like amazing.

Great. It was so fun but it also was not nearly as intense as it was on Fire Island. The first time I think we took a very very light dose

but then on Fire Island it was like I am not on earth. No. I am in another place. It seems like it was like, I am not on Earth. No, no. I am in another place. It seems like it was a real moment that you guys had. Like the second time, like the first time with Joe, like the floor would move.

Like the sky was like screaming rainbows. I was like, this is, I've reached the astral plane. I will never leave. So that time that we did it together upstate after that, was that like an ideal moment? That was an ideal one. And that was one where we just rolled around in the grass. Yeah. Studied leaves and acorns.

It was fun. This was the good moment. I don't think we've talked about this on the pod, but there was a moment where it was the four of us and then Mo Fry Pasik was there and she had not im not an imbibe oh boy but she's just on that plane anyway so i was like are you gonna be okay like we're all gonna be doing this lsd and she's like oh no no you'll see you you're coming to my level i was like oh my god great and i i which i loved and so then we're all sitting under this tree and i had just like cried a lot and you guys all listened to me. And that was very, that was very powerful.

It was very early on. Yeah. It was like, so I knew during the trip that I would have like the emotional breakthrough. That's why I was excited about it. It happened like 30 minutes into it. I was like, okay,

cool. This is over. It's like the second, the second LSD touches your tongue. It's like, I was like, I think what I really need. Um,

and then, then I would just like sat in a hammock for an hour, and that was gorgeous. But my favorite part was, we're sitting under this tree. I just had this breakthrough. And then we're all holding hands. So this spider walks up. And Moe Frypastic goes, okay, I just want everyone to know that the spider right there on the floor is a brown recluse. Are you serious?

I'm dead ass. That was not. And she goes, that's a brown recluse. And it's one of the most poisonous spiders in the world. I think what we should do is thank the spider. Because it's not hurting us. And then we'll all walk away. Because I think we've actually had the moment here.

And then we've all agreed that we actually all had the moment under the tree that we needed to have fully yeah you're you're a gate shock you are gaping and so we all literally turned to the spider and the brown recluse allegedly and we thanked the spider got up moved and then we had another another moment somewhere else i did look up the brown recluse later it is not made up to that area no no no so I do but you know what

also the brown recluse is a recluse it doesn't like come out it's like it doesn't walk out on the grass oh my god

it's all coming back to me now yeah wow I mean but that was a gorgeous mom it was a gorgeous mom and we've had many

gorgeous moms with each other. Yeah, we have. In this circle. History, capital H. Capital H. I mean, we all went to the university. Now you.

Now you. Now you. Okay, this is the thing. We all went to different schools. And there's a lot of rumors about where we all went. There's a lot of rumors flying. A lot of rumors are flying. We have to address this.

Iowa Debris says there's a vicious rumor going around. Our guest, Joe Castle-Baker, was at ETW. The Experimental Theater Wing. At Tisch. At Tisch. Joe, please address that. When I heard that, at first I went, okay, I'll take this head on. And I was very flattered that people could imagine me barefoot,

you know, doing whatever they do there. Dropped in. Rolling on the floor. Rolling on the floor. Screaming to get to, screaming to unlock the truth. Exactly. Yes. But I went to Gallatin.

Gallatin. Which is the ETW of the, if we look at the studios in the Tisch School, and then we map it out, bigger picture, all of the schools if we look at the studios in the Tisch School, and then we map it out, bigger picture, all of the schools at NYU, we could say Gallatin is the ETW. What is Cap 21? What is Cap 21? Okay, so, and I want to debunk a rumor right now.

I did not go to Cap 21 despite being annoying and singing a lot and having like a big stage face. So Cap 21. I did not go to Cap 21. Famously. Musical theater. Musical theater. Lady Gaga's erstwhile studio.

Gaga went there. And so, okay, here's the thing. Yes, you're so right. Gallatin is ETW writ large. And explain Gallatin because not everyone might know. Gallatin is the school where you make up your own major. But basically, here's the tea. If you go to Gallatin, you're studying English.

It's not. You're studying English. It's not. You're studying English. It's just books. You're writing essays. And you're learning literary theory. There's no. You're not like, oh, wow, I'm really forging my own path. It's like, no, no, no, no.

So how does it work? Are there classes in Gallatin that you can take? Or because you're in Gallatin, you get to kind of select classes from all the different schools? You can select classes. I took weird graduate courses in psychology my last semester. And then I was taking, I was in a bunch of programs

where you couldn't get in unless you were in that specific program. But if you write an email and say, I go to Gallatin, the professor is impressed or something, which is psycho. They have to like, they just have to listen to you. They're required by law. Yeah.

Or whatever. And so it's the Gallatin School of Individualized Study. And you did name your own major, right? Yeah, I did. What was yours? Mine was, I think mine was psychoanalysis and early modern anti-theatricality. Oh my God. Explain what that last part means.

So there was like, there was just like a lot of, there was a, like a backlash to theater. And there were like people that saw theater as like feminizing men. And so I looked at like Marlo and shakespeare in there i looked at their writing and i looked at ways in which they were i don't even know this is so no

i'm so crazy like that i did this or like it was so bullshit but like i tried to look at the writing to figure out like passive ways that they were like fighting back against this like backlash so like by and it would be stupid things like, Oh, like setting the play in Venice instead of in London, you know, would be like, that is a technically like a,

you know, passive aggressive way of getting back at like something. At like whatever societal, whatever cultural force was happening. It was all bullshit, but I thought I was, Oh God. No,

I don't, I don't think it is bullshit. I mean, I think like, like writ large, like I think someone like me who I was all bullshit, but I thought I was cutting edge. No, I don't think it is bullshit. I mean, I think like writ large, I think someone like me, I was just thinking, I was thinking to myself, how could you be 18 years old and literally think I'm going to do something that's this intellectual? I know. I literally was like, I was like going to school and I was like, I was in liberal studies

for my first year and I was just like, yeah, I'm probably going to do broadcast journalism. Probably want to do what Ryan Seacrest does. And literally, it's like you were like, I'm actually, even the word psychoanalyst. That's not even what I did, though, when I first went to college. What was? Because I went to Purchase first. Right. Okay.

And were you studying acting? Yes. I was in the conservatory there. So, hello. That's a tough one. It's a good school. Did you want to transfer? But I, well, I dropped out of college

like two weeks before my sophomore year. Wow. Which was a crazy time. And then I had to reapply to colleges again. And I took, it was so crazy. I was living in Flatbush. I took the ACT at a Catholic school in Flatbush. And when I was like 19 or 20,

and I was surrounded by these like 16, 17 year old boys. And it was me, this like white 19 year old hipster taking the ACT in Flatbush at a Catholic boys school. I was like, wow, cool. This is what my life is right now. And you were like, I think Gallatinatin i want to go to gallatin so wait then you get you got into gallatin so what do you have to do to get into gallatin to like prove that you're gonna be able to like god i have no idea yeah it just happened i was just like i am a gay independent mind and then they were like

you're in we want it you're in can you do something around anti-theatricality yeah exactly yes we're looking for someone to do something around anti-theatricality um did you ever run into the person whose major was happiness he was famous at the school there was someone in gallatin whose major was there were so many people at gallatin who like thought that they were like i am the quintessential gallatin student yeah yeah yeah and like look at who god knows where they are now. Yeah. I mean, wait, truly like,

but just hearing you say the person who majored in happiness was famous around campus. He was a campus celebrity. I don't know who that person was. I think the famous one was the guy who studied evil. Oh, I hadn't heard about that. What the fuck?

No, the famous, I mean, the famous Gallatin student was like fucking Ashley Olsen or Mary Kate Olsen, right? Oh, I mean, literally famous. Oh, I mean, the famous Gallatin student was like fucking Ashley Olsen or Mary Kate Olsen, right? Oh, I mean, literally famous. Rooney Mara. Rooney Mara. Miss Rooney was in Gallatin.

I think. Because of the flexibility. Uh-huh. So it could cater to her schedule. Exactly. And also, didn't Emma, Emma Hermione,

didn't Hermione go to Gallatin? No, she went to Brown, but then she probably transferred to Gallatin. Because again, of the flexibility. Miss Watson. Right, Miss Watson. Well, I don't know. I? No, she went to Brown, but then she probably transferred. Oh, Ms. Watson. Right, Ms. Watson.

Well, I don't know. I never really, I never really like, here's the thing. Saw any of the celebrities that were discussed as being there. Me neither. I saw James Franco once and I couldn't believe his boots.

My celebrity sighting was, I can imagine. Yeah, he was wearing some fucked up boots, whatever. My celebrity sighting was just Malcolm Gladwell at Bobst. I was like wow a celebrity it's like such an asshole i feel like i was not good at college i was not i don't think

any of us were good at college some people some people are good at college i feel like it's the same thing like if you were good in high school it's like you peak and then it's like that's it yeah the rest of your life is like um you know and then it's like, that's it. The rest of your life is like, you know, just living in the memory of that. What do you mean?

What to the rubric of being good at college? I was, I just wasn't a good, so I was a chemistry major and I was, I graduated with a BA instead of a BS

and most people in the program graduated with a BS because it was like, they maintained a certain GPA, they took certain classes. I was a BS because it was like they maintained a certain GPA. They took certain classes. I was a BA because like I didn't take – like I just took shitty classes and I never went to class and I never did well in exams.

Like I was just not a good student. Like on an academic level, I was not good. I find that hard to believe though. I find it very hard. Because you're so smart. But like I truly was bad. Well being so smart and then being a good student I think is like, I think you have

the most academic potential probably of anyone I know. But I understand that knowing that, which I think you do know and also having skipped class a bunch I get you saying you weren't good at college. That's what I'm saying. I feel like I'm not I don't sound smart often. But that's also because I don't care.

Like, I don't care. I think I have chosen to be, like, a poo-poo dumb comic for my whole life. Right, same. So, like, it doesn't matter. But when I was in college, I wanted to get straight A's because I thought I was going to go to grad school. So I thought I needed to, like, you know, be really good. Was the end game for you, like, academia stuff? I wanted to be a therapist.

Oh, cool. Great, great. Yeah. Oh my God. When did that change? Well, I was like working in a research lab that like actually sounded, it was really cool.

Like I would watch videos of married couples fighting about their problems in their marriage. And I would watch them talk about their problems in their marriage before this like intervention thing that we were studying yeah and then after this program that they took it was like a self study course on marital counseling from these couples it was also it also taught them like child care and then also we were like in the school of dentistry at NYU so like they told like taught them like weird dental care stuff too And so I would look at the fight before the intervention and then afterwards.

And then I had this like rubric that I would use to decipher whether or not they've been, it's an improvement or not. And so I would like turn this qualitative data into like numbers. Oh, great. That's interesting. You would think, but then you you're oh my god these these marriage fights are so boring yeah okay oh my god that's the thing you think it's gonna be serving you drama so juicy but then it's like i wish you would open up and then it would be like 10 minutes of

silence afterwards where the guy would be like yeah you're right when the conflict is you don't open up you have to imagine what you're gonna to watch or something. Yeah, time opening up. It's not like them being like, when you fucked my sister, I was so ruined. It's not that at all. And I wish for that. Oh my God.

Did you ever get anything fun? Oh my God. Once, but I don't think, I don't think. I think he's allowed to say if he doesn't name them, but no, you just don't.

Maybe, but there was one that was really, really juicy. Okay. And I was like, name them, but no, you just don't. Maybe, but there was one that was really, really juicy. Okay. And I was like, Oh God, where are you guys? Oh wow.

I think the really juicy couples are probably the ones that suffer the most. I know. Well, the thing is, I think, I think that like, we forget that like, this is going to sound so insane,

but as such dynamic people, no, we have more dynamic problems. And when you're basic, you have basic problems. I was going to say the exact opposite where it's like as we get older. Yeah, no.

We're not interesting. What I'm saying, our problems just flatten out across everybody in our age group. I hope so, too, where it's like this is just every marital problem now. Where every relationship problem might have a similar thing, too, where it's like i hope so too where it's like this is just every marital problem now where every relationship problem might have a similar thing to where it's like well i he wants his

alone time and i it would just boring stuff because it's so normal i don't know well actually i am thankful i did it because i learned like really practical things to help with like fighting. And like the thing is the like secret for all like marital resolution is like slowing things down like to a glacial pace in conversation. Like you have to be, you have to take hours to like talk about a single issue. And you have to be extremely, extremely slow. Yes. Like a podcast. Almost.

No, I'm not kidding. But that's no, that's brilliant. That's yeah. That's really good. So if you're listening and you're struggling, struggling,

slow down, baby. Yeah. Honestly, that is because I feel like when Henry and I used to fight, like it was when we would have arguments, it kind of was like, whoa,

how did we get here so fast? Yeah. And I think it's breathless. And it's like, you want to be like, you want to be like, but then what about this was, when we would have arguments, it kind of was like, whoa, how did we get here so fast? And I think, and it's breathless. It's because you want to be like, you want to be like, but then what about this? But then what about this? Like you just bring up so many things

that you're like, you don't even remember anymore because you can mention something where like you, the other person fucked up. Yes. But then you're focusing on that, but then they're focusing on the thing

that, you know, you fucked up at. So each of them thinks like they're a victim and they might be right. Yeah. But if you're going to, you know, think that way, then you're not like they're a victim and they might be right yeah but if you're gonna you know think that way then you're not gonna do anything you know nothing's gonna happen i feel there's also always an instinct in any kind of argument to win the argument and so i would find that sometimes like when i would have uh tough

discussions really with anyone then we'll say relationships but it'll be clear to me that I've done something wrong, but I've already begun this game of trying to prove that I'm right or that I didn't do something wrong or that actually you did something wrong. And that's the reason why I did this. And it's becomes this thing of like, whoa, slowing it down would make you ask yourself like, why am I being so defensive? Why can't I just own up to what I've done?

And it's not even that hard to just drop it not to drop it completely but to like just to like release that and just be like okay actually let me just take a minute to like recalibrate and just like get on your level do you think that conflict is important in a relationship oh it's not whether or not it's important it's like it's gonna happen yeah you're right it's not like i mean i would say if you don't have any conflict you're lying yeah like you clearly have conflict but you're like you're just ignoring it or you are like in denial yeah damn yeah henry used to say that i was like i don't like fighting and he'd be like well it's important that we sometimes have arguments because we have to get to the root of what's going on. And I was like, well, I don't like it. Yeah.

But that's, but you have to, you have to fucking have to fight. Yeah. Going up to things. When Peter and I first started dating, we, when Peter's my boyfriend,

we, we love, I love Peter too. We, you better. I know. Let me tell you something. It's really culture.

My secret is I hate him. It's really good. Number 19. You better love your boyfriend but we would fight like we we would get into well I think it was

also kind of like we're both like fiery we both have like strong opinions what is your astrological sign I'm a Capricorn

so I'm stubborn apparently Henry was a Capricorn yeah Henry is a Capricorn he's still with us yeah he is and what element is that?

Earth. And Peter is? He's a Virgo. Which is? I don't know. Whatever. You don't care about this? Well, I'm sure.

Well, yeah. Continue what you were saying. But we would actually fight more like when we first started dating than we do now. We had like, we would have, because we would be like, and it wouldn't be fights. It would be like, you can't say that to me. Or or like you can't speak to me that way that's great because you we would like or like little things that would be like rules that we would set for each other and then like i think because we just like listened now we don't really fight i guess i don't know it's kind of i think it's kind of rare to see that or maybe maybe not

i don't know but you're setting up if you're if you're doing it early on and what's nice is that it might just set up like a model for what this looks like yeah yeah and it's not that it's like well nothing's gonna be as bad as that but it's also you you're you understand well we were like getting to know each other yeah okay. Okay. So it was like. And so wait, do you like, you don't have to get too into detail about what those early fights were about. But if it was something like, you can't say that to me. He would say like jokingly things like, oh, you're such an idiot or something. And I'd be like, you can't say that.

I love that. And if somebody heard you say that. And this is so horrible. If Peter hears this, he's going to be like, people are going to think I'm a fucking asshole. No, no, no, no, no. Really, really, really sweet. He's the best person in really really sweet he's the best really really really a good person and this was just something you know like sometimes you'll say to a friend like oh you're such an idiot a goofy thing but to me i was like you can't do that to me because if somebody and i think i was

really clear i was like if somebody heard you say that yeah it would be embarrassing right of course yeah that's the best way to frame it it's like like, it comes at a cost to you to do what you're doing. And like the best, simplest way to just catch all everything is just to be like, you're embarrassing yourself. Exactly, yeah. Ooh, gusha. I know, that is strong. Chills. Chills.

It gave me a chill when you said that. And you looked at my eyes and you did the... I did the gesticulation. You did the gesticulation and it made me shake. It made me shake. It in fact made me shake. That's like my favorite thing. What? When I'm able gesticulation. You did the gesticulation and it made me shake. It made me shake. It in fact made me shake. That's like my favorite thing when I'm able to do that.

When I'm able to, like I remember this one time when I was in acting school, I had, I said this, we had this like final moment my freshman year where we were all

sat around in a circle and we said things to each other. I love that. It was like, I wish that was life. I wish that was just circles and talking. Oh my God. But we said, I said this one thing to this guy and he was like, I wish that was life. I wish there was just circles and talking. Oh my God.

But I said this one thing to this guy, and he was like, I don't know. God, I can't believe this is what the conversation is. It's so cringy. But he was like, Joe, I just don't think I've ever moved you. And then I looked at him and I said, this was a lie, but I just said it I was like I don't know when I'm not moved by you

this was in class? this was in class and then the teacher no you did go to ETW bitch I know but then the teacher was like stop everyone stop did you just feel bad oh the air changed in the room that's so good I know it was probably the peak moment

of my life here's the thing though like sometimes people like okay so in being involved in comedy now I think that a lot of people

look at that and I think maybe it's like more a projection thing but they say they're all scared of being vulnerable you know what I mean like it's this thing

like this thing of like you never want to be real but it's like and it makes me say like i also don't think that's true because i think one of the most vulnerable things you can do is get up on stage and like expose sense of humor so all we fucking do is be earnest on fucking shit like this exactly whatever yeah i also think it's there's been a shift but you know and also even if you are like you know lying or putting up a front like that's still a part of who you are exactly you know lying or putting up a front like that's still a part of who you are exactly you're creating that that's like a that's a part of you yeah it

might not be the most like vulnerable weak you know part of you but it's something that you believe in exactly like this is what i want to put as like my identity in this moment yeah and that's like just because you're not crying yeah doesn't mean that you're not vulnerable but i that's and i think like some people who would have that criticism about comedy would think they'd be moved by something like what you just described but we're now able to sit here and unpack the fact that it was like you didn't even really mean it when you said that and yet this man was like the energy and the room changed and you're kind of sitting there probably in the back of your mind being like whoa that's crazy that they're receiving it this way because it wasn't genuine i mean i i yeah it wasn't genuine i mean it was it was just me wanting to be like to have

gravitas like in the moment i just wanted to make the choice that felt like i was in like in some kind of moody thing which is what i don know, a lot of acting schools like that. Totally. It's just like, you're kind of like brainwashing yourself. Oh, 100%. It's acting school mixed with that particular time, I think.

Because what was this, like 2008? It was 2009, yeah. 2009, like the eight, like just remember this, at least for me, like what felt peak culture at that time for me was like fucking animal collective.

So like, Oh, like, wow. Stars, um, you know, fucking Connor.

Oh, burst. Like that was like, it was this whole framework of like being so emotionally tortured. That was cool i think that's being 19 i really do think so that i agree i think part of it is like that age totally i'm not saying that's yeah that was like specifically my people are going through that literally right now i think they're trying so hard to be um poignant yeah and i think like also trying so hard to prove your talent and also and I was actually just sitting here thinking about it and in an acting school if you actually were able to

project that feeling of being moving you did perform that and if it was successful for those people slay bitch you acted if the air shifted yeah like I did it you know yeah you you won the award in that I guess yeah I mean, but it is so strange, like the things that they teach you in acting school as like, because when you, I mean, at least now that I'm a comedian, I feel like part of why I like comedy more than acting is that like, you have like a little bit of distance. Yeah.

Which is like good. Yeah. Totally. You have like a little, I mean, and then there might be some people who are like, why would you want distance? Don't you want truth or something? I mean, it's like. Yeah. Totally. You have like a little, I mean, and then there might be some people who are like, why would you want distance? Don't you want truth or something? I mean, it's like.

Not fake truth. Yeah. Or like, I don't know. It depends on the medium. Like for, I guess for like, whatever, for standups, if this is such a lazy way to box, like just compartmentalize this. But like for standups, like that is what they're seeking is truth or an observation for if you're doing like a gordon or if you're doing like a character or if you're writing a sketch that's like it's something that is somewhat removed from what you're trying to say it's being couched in something else i don't know that's that's like not exactly an accurate thing

i feel that this whole thing of like people who are like people who are critical of comedy, it's insecurity. It's them just being like unable to understand how to be funny purposefully. You know what I mean? And that's what I think. I mean, whenever I experienced like trying to do comedy with actors at school, like, for example, like we were in Pop Roulette, like which was our sketch group. And that was like half people who had just done straight up acting. And half people – and like me and Sudi and you who had been in the comedy groups and had no experience really on stage. Because when you ask someone who has just purely been an actor to do comedy, the insecurity that comes out is so profound. And it's such fear.

And it's incredible to watch someone who's been deeply trained in Shakespearean classical acting be scared about landing a joke yeah and feel the pressure that comes with like being compelling on stage in this way and it's like i'm of two minds about it it's like a how could you have been through all what a waste to have gone through all of this years of an expensive training and then feel self-conscious when you get on stage with certain material and i'm not saying self-consciousness ever really goes away, but it's like you should feel comfortable performing text no matter what it is.

You should not have to think too hard about timing a fart cue with your face. And then at the same time, by the same token, I also think that kind of means acting training is not necessarily at all the only way to become good at that yeah i think it all works it's different fashion yeah it's really old-fashioned it's like so out of

touch with like the experience of actually trying to act in the world like me being able to cry when i'm upstage right because that is like the most vulnerable location on the stage floor for me, is like the last possible thing that I should be spending four months trying to do. Like I should be learning how to fucking wait tables. You know what I mean? Or like, I don't know. I mean, and I'm sure that's like a cliche thing to hear.

Like I'm sure everybody who's an actor knows that now or whatever, but it is, it does feel kind of like acting training programs are kind of like Huckster. Like, yeah. Well, I think the people that make decisions about how those schools are run

don't necessarily super care if everyone in that studio is successful in the industry, because I think that literally like, like with something like experimental theater, some people do four years of that studio and they've never acted once on camera and then they have a problem getting an agent or they have a problem doing

a commercial audition or even understanding how to behave on camera and it's like how could you have gone through a four year program and then try expect is that ever promised though though, you think? What do you mean? Like, the people who run these programs,

they're not advertising this as a thing of, like, well, by the time you get out, you'll be successful. No, it's not. You're right. Yeah. And also, like, when we were at NYU, like, there was that huge, like, performance art boom, like, with Marina Abramovich.

Yeah. So, like, everyone who was at the experimental theater was like i don't need to be on svu i can be marina abramovich yeah and it's like well yeah i guess you could you're also making that decision to try to be quote unquote marina abramovich at 18 and it's you will feel and i just think if we were all being like – if we're all actually looking at this like trying to have a career, which if you're going to a university that costs upwards of – let's take NYU out of it. That costs upwards of $150K when all is said and done, which is what these things cost. You should try to be professionally prepared. And I don't think that doing four, unless you're extremely,

in an extremely privileged situation, doing four years of pure, just only, only, only theatrical training and expecting to make that a professional career, I think it would be better for everyone if we just gave

a more well-rounded thing. Everyone that goes to acting school should have an on-camera class, at least a class. Just experience what it's like to try to uh replicate the professional experience just for a little while yeah because it makes me sad to know that like i mean come on almost everyone we went to school with yeah i'm gonna say 80 of the people aren't doing it anymore i know or like sad if even like a business class, like a business class that you could learn

like self-promotion. Branding. Branding, whatever. You know, like those things are really practical things that we utilize now. I guess you know,

but it's that thing, sorry to like relate it back to this, but like that BuzzFeed article about burnout. Did you read this? Was this the one, was it BuzzFeed? It was BuzzFeed News. It. Did you read this? Was this the one? Was it BuzzFeed? It was BuzzFeed News.

It was like this huge thing about how, like how millennials are the burnout generation. Yeah. Like, and it's because, so here's the thing. It's like, what you're expressing is like,

it's a shame that a program doesn't prepare you in a fully holistic professional way once you're in the industry. Like, is that also, I don't know. This sounds so obnoxious but just like go with me. Like is this also that thing where it's like our generation is a product of this mentality of, well, our parents were promised a great life and retirement if they – as long as they got a good education, went to college, went to vocational school, whatever. So if you do A, then you will get outcome B, and that is a good outcome.

And so what they passed down to us was, well, if you take piano lessons, if you go to tennis camp, if you go to SAT prep and get into a good college, then you will be set for life. And that is not true. Or that promise was broken on our generation. And so is it that same thing

where it's like um you well if you come to tish and if it's one of the it's in you and you're in one of the best acting programs in the country in the world um then like you should be a working actor by the time you come out like that is also a false promise right well with any artistic endeavor totally totally nothing is ever promised but it's like our generation is used to this idea of if I do this then I will get that which is not always true yeah and also like your trajectory changes so

dramatically like whether you like it or not yeah and so to be so pigeonholed so early is such a it can be such a disaster down the line. Yeah. And I mean, people usually, you know, are adaptive and figure it out, you know, you know, they do whatever they need to do to like make a life for themselves, I think.

But like, it is so crazy that like, that you can have such a, such a like heavy decision be forced on you at such a young age and that's i guess like when reading this article it's like it's so sad to me that we are still in this kind of like situation where at 18 you make a decision about where you're going to go to school and spend this exorbitant amount of money and like make this kind of career decision. I mean, the majority of people I know, and I'm taking this even out of people that pursued acting, went to school and didn't even know

the many different kinds of careers they could have. How are they going to go at 18 years old when they're not even a fully formed person and decide I'm going to spend this insane amount of money to make a decision about my career. I mean, I knew – I grew up with a girl who – she went to Towson University, also not cheap, to go be – because she liked the area and liked the school, to be an elementary school teacher. And then when she graduated, she had a breakdown because she didn't want to do that. And it's like – I don't know about you guys, but where I'm from, it's like there were so many teachers. And it's such an easy thing to say that you want to become because you haven't want to do that yeah and it's like i don't know about you guys but where i'm from it's like there were so many teachers and it's such an easy thing to say that you want

to become because you haven't figured it out you don't figure it out in high school so you say you're gonna do this thing people's nod and smile they're like that's nice yeah and they say and the guidance counselors no shade but they say i can make that work that's easy for me i've done it before yeah and they send you off and it's like incredibly hard to get a job in that field and also that is just because you see that so many times because you went to a school yeah yeah that doesn't mean the reality is so different yes it's so different and doesn't mean you're gonna be good at that and i think i'm sorry but i i went i went to public school i think there's a lot of bad teachers.

I mean, I had a lot of great teachers, but I also had a lot of teachers who were right out of college, clearly, and just put notes on the board and sat and drank their coffee while we copied shit down. And I think it's all kind of cyclical and sad. And it comes from us being forced

to make these big decisions so early. I just think we need to really re-examine the whole thing of like shipping kids off to school to make this big decision and to spend the kind of money that we're spending. Well, like a lot of people are like, well, that's why in Europe,

like people go to vocational school and all that. And I think the reality is like, you can make, we can make a bunch of different changes, but like, it's a symptom of life to be like 30 years old and be like, what the fuck have I been doing? Totally, totally, totally. Like no matter what you do. And so like it would be nice if we had more options than like here you go.

You're about to like stomach a $200,000 debt. Oh, my god. You know, and it's just kind of like it just sucks yeah a little bit what did peter major in he studied history he studied like german so funny german history yeah or he studied history in general but like he focused on like german history so cool yeah i love that it's funny because like he loves history and knows a lot of history and i like do not give a shit about history. But when you have a crush on Joe's boyfriend and you have to stop.

No. It's okay. Honestly, it's okay. When I was tripping on acid, I kept looking at Peter and Joe and it was like beautiful. These are the two most like inside and out most beautiful people. Meanwhile, we're like, our irises are like gigantic and we're like sweating. I'm looking back at the photos that we took during the trip. And I'm like,

we all look insane. We look insane. No, but you guys actually took that one really good picture on the beach. Oh yeah. That was actually like, it was such a beautiful photo. It literally made me say, but like what was remember that moment wait we just have it's friends on the beach that's the

pitch i just have to walk through this moment with joe we this was like on the downswing of the of the okay well first we start we start the trip on the beach during the day yeah and it was full on psychotic episode for each of us for each of us just like what and then we go back into the house and we hang out in the pool. Which was also harrowing. Also harrowing. But then the sun starts to set and we're like,

let's go to the beach and look at the nature. And so we go, we walk out to the beach and at this point, it was a cloudy day. Most beautiful thing in the world.

Most beautiful apocalyptic thing where it was high tide and they had literally moved a house. That's right. Oh, my God. Inland. Like a hundred feet inland.

Yeah. Because at the beginning of the day when we were on the beach, this house was on these beams and this weird scaffolding was around it. And we were like, oh, they're doing something to that house. That's funny. And we set our towels down in front of it. And then by the time we went back in the afternoon, it had moved. Like 50 yards.

50 yards. And our minds were blown. We were like, oh my God, nothing is real. Like this house just literally moved. And then we're screaming. And then we go to low T. We watch the sunset on the other side of the island um and then we walk back and do you remember the swan no sorry

i will show you a picture wait i took a picture of us joe do you remember this the sun was setting it was like a blue it was blues and purples everywhere. And then we walked back to the house and there was just a single swan floating in the water by the boats. And all of us, you included. Oh, I remember that now. We're screaming, freaking out. But then immediately afterwards, we also saw a mother cat with her whole litter. Yes. Yes!

Yes, I remember. We were like being bombarded by nature. Wait, this is the swan. Do you remember this swan? It's literally a bird. It's just a bird in the water. It's nothing. Wait, let me see that. It's a swan and we were all screaming like, oh my god, look. We were like, oh my god. That is not a swan.

This is the most basic picture of a bird I've ever seen. That's a fucking goose, bitch. It's a goose and it was kind of far away. It was not even like right there. It's not a swan. It's a fucking goose. It's a normal. Fine, it's a goose, but all of us.

We'll post the picture of this fucking goose. It is a normal goose. All of us believed it to be a swan. You, I swear to God, Joe. I guarantee I know who started this conversation. Fucking Henry Kapurski to be a swan you i swear to god joe i guarantee i know this conversation you know henry kapurski gorgeous swan he claims to have seen a peacock on his first aftertrip a peacock in new york city no guarantee it was a fucking rat it was me joe max i guarantee max peter henry joel can booster all of us just like freaking pointing screaming our minds are being

blown by this swan in the water. Fine, it was a goose, but to us, it was a swan. It was beautiful. It was beautiful. But maybe actually- It's a beautiful goose.

It's just not a swan. It might have been another freshman year circle acting moment of me putting it on. Honestly, yeah. Fuck. This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up.

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during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Do we still do this? We still do this, don't we? Still do what? This freshman year performance.

Performing the self. I think we do. Yeah, because sometimes, you know, you just got to have a little gravitas. Ugh. That's, yeah, fine. We do it all the fucking time on this. Yeah. On this?

Fake gravitas? Where we just, like, push ourselves. Lean into it. We lean into, well, we have to serve this idea of what people think. I don't know. Is that crazy? No, I mean. Sometimes I'm like, well, I better say something insightful or good. Well, I don't know.

I feel like I don't ever pressure myself to say something good and insightful because that's why people come to this store. No, but people often like people often love comedy. Like, I feel like this is a very old fashioned comedy thing would be like laughing, laughing and then like the truth. Yeah. Like it's just like it's like that stupid thing about like a spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down. Yeah, that's true. True. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah the medicine go down. Yeah. That's true. True.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And everyone's like, wow. If you really think about it. Yeah. Like what if the medicine is like something that's wrong? Yeah.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Or like you're saying something that's stupid or like. A hundred. God. What if it's just sugar? I didn't know. I would say don't go.

Really? Okay. I love M Blunt. I fucking live for M Blunt. Yeah. But here's the tea. Love B Wisha. Yeah. I love B Wisha. I love B Wisha. I love B. Blunt. I fucking live for M. Blunt. But here's the tea. Love B. Wishaw. I love B. Wishaw.

I love B. Wishaw too. B. Wishaw actually is a crush I have. And he actually has, he has a really good moment in the movie where his character kind of has like a little bit of a breakdown. And it was really good acting. Did it come out of the closet?

No. I would watch it. Ben Wishaw, congratulations on your Golden Globe. Did he get a Golden Globe? and I was like did you come out of the closet no I would watch it congratulations on your golden globe did he get a golden globe he just went for a very British scandal

yes very English scandal a very English scandal but he I would say don't go see Mary Poppins I've been calling it Mary Poppins revenge

yeah don't go see Mary Poppins revenge because the first 20 minutes are like yay we're in the world it's fabulous but then there's like a whole middle hour Don't go see Mary Poppins Revenge because the first 20 minutes are like, yay, we're in the world.

It's fabulous. But then there's like a whole middle hour section, which is like, holy shit. Is it that this is boring? They're in the bowl. Like what happens during Mary Poppins? The first one. That's the question. That's the big question.

And you know what? No one knows. No one remembers? Because you remember her floating in on the umbrella. Yeah. She gets there to the house. There's these kids. There's a chimney sweep. There's a mirror gag.

There's a mirror gag. Yeah. There's very little conflict. I would... No. And there's a lot of conflict in this, but it's kind of like dry. And so literally what happened is...

It's British, baby. It's the first... The whole middle hour, all of that too is like, oh my God. And so I literally got up and went to the bathroom, checked my phone, came back. It hour the all of that too is like oh my god and so i literally got up and went to the bathroom like check my phone came back it was the end of meryl's part i completely missed meryl and then the last 30 minutes gets good like and i actually was crying there's the whole this whole thing with balloons and picking a balloon and flying in the air

finding your inner child and i was like this I get okay I can get on board with that and I am a crier I cry frequently at films me too I love to cry during a movie never because then I'm like there it is

my humanity yeah it's so it's so great to remember that you have a soul this is why I come to the movies yep that's why I go to that store

I never fucking cry and I think I think I'm dead inside because I think I've done ass too many times I think that you it's this thing this is so funny when you're obsessing about it it'll become true so don't obsess about it oh you've done acid twice yeah you did it two times our parents generation did

acid daily that's yeah you're right we have friends that have done it approximately 900 times in a year in one year it's like you're fine it. It's just Henry. And he is the better for it. Absolutely. And we love that. Okay, so. Wait, we have to ask the question to Joe. And you know, it's been floating around, but we must ask the question now. We must ask the question. I've been asking lately. You ask. Okay, so this is the question

that we ask every single guest. I see, yeah. And we ask the guest, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? This is the defining pop culture in your young life that you can look back and say, oh, that's kind of why I am the way I am. I was thinking about this because I was like, there's like a few different answers. And you can give them all. Give them all.

I think one of them was when I saw Blue Man Group. Oh, fabulous. I love this. Because I remember watching Blue Man Group like as a boy. And there was a moment where they took out these toilet paper guns. Oh, yeah. And they shot that audience with toilet paper. Yes.

And they kept going. Oh, yeah. And I remember thinking to myself, this is possible? Yeah. We can do this? This is shit. And it's the most mainstream thing. I know. Yeah. But at the time, I was like, this is possible yeah we can do this yeah and it's the most mainstream thing i know yeah but at the time i was like this is out there yeah no wait that is etw that is etw

it's crazy how it is mainstream though because everything about it screams that it's not yeah it's so unusual it's so unusual it's so avant-garde out there it's cutting edge i've seen it twice i've seen it at astor place and i've seen it in universal orlando oh yeah oh yeah i love that you selected to see it in universal orlando this is like years ago and it was like it was like part of the part of the hotel deal we got was like and you can see blue man group there's a huge theater there that does blue man god so you have to imagine like already across the country and probably across the, I would imagine it's international. Yeah, it is international. They are selling out shows all the time.

It's one of the most successful shows. In China, forget it. People fucking flip for Blue Man Group. I'm sure. I'm sure. There's something like primordial in each of us. It's a Blue Man. There is a Blue Man in all of us.

Did you ever think of like auditioning to be a Blue Man? I think you'd be a great Blue Man. It might have crossed my mind. It might have crossed my mind, but I think I'm too i think i'm too tall i think they all don't they always have like a tall they're all very tall you know you know do you know branson reese yeah okay so yeah blue man no he auditioned to be a blue man and i think you would think of him as a perfect blue man but they told him that his he was too expressive because you have to think like if you do really anything a lot with your face like it's gonna

really explode off stage and because of the way the nature of that makeup like you could just literally look to the side and it reads to the whole audience they told branson reese he was too expressive to be a blue man his eyes are just imagining now like the gay man in charge of all of the artistic choices of blue man group who's like, yeah, you. No, not you. You. That's a blue man. No. No, not you.

We need that reality show. That's a blue man right there. That's a blue man. That's a quintessential blue man. We need blue man. We need like an American Idol for Blue Man Group and the judges are

Nicole Scherzinger. Yes. And three others. Santino too. Santino. Santino Rice. Merle Ginsberg. Yes.

And Ru. Jenny McCarthy. Jenny McCarthy. Thatino Rice. Merle Ginsberg. Yes. And Ru. Jenny McCarthy. Jenny McCarthy. That's it. Two judges from The Masked Singer and two judges from RuPaul's Drag Race. And you know what? Courtney Cox.

Courtney Cox. She should host. She should host. Yes. And David Arquette. David Arquette. It should be a parent trap thing where we try to get them back together.

Back together. Will they, won't they? Okay. Is there, besides the toilet paper. Yes, the toilet paper. And then this was another one I thought, like this is so stupid, but I have this like memory. I think I

was probably an infant. It's like the first memory ever I have in my life. It might be like a screen memory. Well, it is a screen memory, but it's like I have like this print in my mind of like me on the floor looking at a vase and I'm like I'm looking at this and I am like oh wow that is so beautiful oh my god and I'm tiny tiny tiny because I'm looking up at a vase from the floor and it's

like it has like it's like a silhouette kind, because the sun is like going past it. But I just remember looking at the image of this and being like, wow, that is so beautiful. And it was the first time I've ever been like, wow. Looked at like the beauty of something. Yeah. You appreciate the aesthetic of something. A backlit vase.

That's, that we've never had something like this. I mean, the combination of a backlit vase and Blue Man Group, and that's Gallatin. That's, that we've never had something like this. I mean, the combination of a backlit vase and Blue Man Group, and that's, that's Gallatin. That's Gallatin, babe. That's the Gallatin School of Individualized Study.

That's why, yeah, that's me. That's you, baby. That's me. Talk, okay, can we all go around the table?

I've been thinking about this. Okay. I love that already. Would you just call this a screen memory? Yeah. Is this a common thing? I don't know about this. It's like a psychoanalytic idea.

Okay. So it's like a, well, usually it's like related to trauma. Fine. Okay, I literally have one of those. But it's a visual memory that is preserved as like a single image in your mind that holds like a lot of psychic content to it. But like, does it matter if there's not that much action going on like well when you like for you it's you looking at this face yeah and

like that is that's pretty static yeah that's great because mine is something similar i'm just sitting on the kitchen floor i'm like four years old and i'm playing with something but i'm looking down this is insane this sounds insane it just sounds so abstract and like who cares but like it's just me looking at the door to our basement and that's it there's nothing there's no other detail

but it's so livid not livid lucid vivid yeah yeah yeah lucid livid means lucid and vivid

that's exactly right it's a rule of culture it's rule of culture number 99 livid means lucid and vivid that's what that word means it doesn't mean angry. No, no, no, no, no. Okay.

So that's mine. What's yours? Okay. So my parents really never fought. Yeah. And I don't want to like say this and qualify them to all the listeners as parents who fought

or had this kind of relationship. But one time, I think I was literally like three years old. Yeah. I remember sitting in my living room on the ground and my parents were having an argument. And my mother, Katrina Rogers, who is not, like she is not, she doesn't fight.

She flipped our kitchen table. She took that kitchen table and went, boof. And it was like, I've never seen anything like it. And I just remember looking at it and I'll never forget it. And literally, my mother has never done anything like that in the 25 years since I remember this happening. But I think it is like a trauma recollection. Yeah, it is a trauma. Because it was watching something happen that was so out of the ordinary

and I will never forget it. And I'm not even kidding. Nothing has ever happened like that ever since. Isn't it crazy? Like the threshold for trauma when you're a kid. Yeah. And I was truly a toddler. Yeah.

And I remember it's imprinted. Yeah. I have a lot of parental fighting. Yeah, yeah. I have one of those too yeah but i just remembered i was traumatized once because i was one time i was traumatized i was in line at a wetzel's pretzels i was probably five yeah i was very very very young and there was this girl who was wearing like a spaghetti strap like black top and she had like

a lot of eyeliner on and she was, you know, a teen. Yeah. And I was looking at her and she was with these two boys and she reaches into her like bra and she pulls out a cigarette. And she had this look on her face of like pure mischief and like wrongdoing. And I remember looking at this and being like, I'm alone now. What? Watching this evil thing happen.

And I am so scarred by like the human, like the side of humanity. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like watching this person do this wrong act. Oh, wow. And I was so like, it was so, I mean like, you know, it was nothing. But at the time, I was so affected by this. You were scandalized. I was so scandalized. It was really affected by this. You were scandalized. I was so scandalized. It was really

If you were to Eternal Sunshine yourself like you what happens in the movie is that he like does he hides her in his childhood memories right? Yeah I think it's something like that. And so it's like him being bathed in the sink by his mom. I feel like that is like something where if you were

to go back and like erase stuff or if you were to couch let's say you were to go back and like erase stuff or if you were to couch, let's say you were to get an eternal sunshine like one of your exes, like you would hide that person in that memory of the Wetzel's pretzels.

Sorry, I don't know where I'm going with this. I just... This girl looked just like Avril Lavigne. Pure mischief and wrongdoing. That's why I remember. Pure mischief. That's why I remember

because she was a star. It was Avril. I feel like it might have been. It's like the timeline adds up. Totally. She would have been roughly 30. Yes, exactly. She is like 50 years old now.

Which I love. Which we love. She's an older woman. 50, of course, being older. Wow. Do you seek out... When's the last time you saw Blue Man? Honestly...

Because you could go at any time. I could go. I walk by the Astor place. That's the shitty place to see it, though. I'm sorry, No Shade. But if you're going to go, you've got to go to Orlando. Stop. Matt, for people listening, for people who work there who listen,

Matt is lying. It's a bit. I'm kidding. It's just a smaller space. And I like to enjoy my content with a large number of people. Exactly. And if you are in Blue Man and you are listening, reach out to me. Maybe a couple comp tickets.

I could get on board with that. I also can see you doing it like once a week. Like my side gig. I don't want it to take up a lot of your time because I want you to be, of course, pursuing comedy. What if I do this just for kicks? Yeah, just like once a week. I think it's probably easy to pick up.

Although here's the thing. With those balls they throw in each other's mouths and shit, what's the deal? All the paint and the drumming. Right. Yes. What's the deal? Is there a trick going on

or are they really catching these balls in their mouth every time without fail they have forgot about that that's sicko to me they have mouth eye coordination that was actually now that i remember that now there was also a sexual component i think i'm gonna say like they're all probably they're probably good at fucking are you sure i think all every blue man are you sure before you say that are you sure i'm 100 oh my god they have to be good you know what yeah you're right they're good at bodies i wonder how many of the blue men are gay i wonder if a blue man would be gay for me i bet i mean honestly you're expressing a lot of interest i think like that's so interesting that like when we talk about people who are good at sex like in just

judging by the thing they do that's not sex yeah right you're like I bet they could fuck like I bet that dancer is a good has a good sex I don't know yeah you have no concept yeah one time I've spoken about this once Sudi tried to like set me up with one of her friends

and I told her, I was like, I just can't picture having sex with him. And she said to me something that always stayed with me. What did she say? She was like, well, you know, Matt, everyone has sex. And I was like, huh, that's true. Is it? It's not true.

It's not true. There's a populace that is asexual, but if someone's expressing a sexual interest, that means they have a sexual interest and they have sex. So, not being able to picture someone fucking, you'd be shocked because they probably fuck. Oh god. But you're saying you can't, were you saying you couldn't picture them fucking

anybody? I just was like, I couldn't see them in a sexual way. She was like, well, they are a sexual being. But you can see them having sex with you. But that doesn't turn you on. There's a difference. Right, of course. Like me imagining my parents having sex doesn't turn me on. Right. a difference. Right, of course. Like me imagining my parents having sex doesn't turn me on. Right. But I know it happened.

Yeah, it probably happened a couple times. It doesn't mean that you date your parents. It doesn't mean I'm gonna send them a Florida EDM. Sorry. My sister one time

was home and she said that she found condoms in my parents' bathroom and I was like, why did you tell me that? Oh my God. That is so insane. I found, yeah,

like when I found a condom in my brother's room, I was like why did you tell me that oh my god that is so insane I found yeah like when I found a condom in my brother's room I was like another you know another trauma it's that was a trauma that was a trauma I found I found condoms in my parents store and it was truly oh my god it like destroyed me I don't know why why do I just like now that we're talking about parents using condoms I'm like don't they just always go raw? I thought. Well, that's the thing is I was like, I guess it was.

I thought the whole thing about parents was like raw sex. I thought that was the whole thing about parents. Um, well, I guess like this was like right before my mom went through like the final change. Yeah. And I think like,

you gotta be careful because I mean, what if, what, what if you got pregnant at like 49? Oh, I know. That would be a tough, That would be a tough one. Be a tough position to be put in.

Forgot about pregnancy. You forgot all about pregnancy. You know, these parents can't just get on prep and do whatever they want. Like you kids. We don't age out of disease. We sure don't. I know.

That's actually a rule of culture. Well, that's why there's a lot of, it's a rule of culture. Yeah, rule of culture. It's a rule of culture number 88. We don't age out of disease. Okay, fine. Well, that's why there's a lot of it's a rule of culture yeah rule of culture it's a rule of culture number 88 we don't age out of disease okay fine well that's why

there's like gonorrhea and syphilis and like you know geriatric homes yeah wow I never thought about that I hope

that I keep hoeing I thought you were about to say I hope I get gonorrhea when I'm old basically I mean if you were if you were in our old age

to tell me like oh my god and i like i don't know if we'll be in the same home yeah but like i feel like i'll probably give you a ring and or whatever yeah communication we're having at that time and you say oh my god this just happened i got gonorrhea i'll be like yes bitch i feel like if we're like 88 years old and you tell me you got gonorrhea, I'd be like, slay. Yeah. I know Sage is technically like a place for- That's right, Sage, yeah.

Elderly queer people. I feel like we should open up- An LGB home. Yes. LGB home. No T, sorry. Sorry. LGB, sorry.

No T. No T? No T, no math. You, I think that would be so fun. Right? That's what I've always wanted. No tea. No tea? No tea, no math. I think that would be so fun. That's what I've always wanted. And that's like a sitcom. That's a really good sitcom.

I mean, Golden Girls. Golden Girls. I think that... This sounds so chummy and gross and dumb. I truly hope we all end up in the same place. Yeah, I hope so too. Heaven. Heaven. Which is Fire Island

where the swans are God how much longer does Fire Island have sorry to bring it I was about to say sorry to bring it here but like when we were on our trip

one of the things that was so like moving was looking at the houses that were abandoned because the shore was creeping up so far I mean the whole island is just disappearing so there are houses that were abandoned because the shore was creeping up so far. I mean,

the whole island's just disappearing. So there are houses that were close to the shore that are, that have to be abandoned because they're just falling into the sea. It's a real thing. Like I think people that, I think people like they, they don't like to think about it, but I mean,

even just hurricane Sandy alone, I can tell you from, from growing up there, it took a serious toll on that i mean it's it's different now it looks different yeah like if you're gonna fuck up infrastructure right like it will change everything about how that place functions so it's we have to take it that seriously i think i think honestly it's got an it's got another like 15 years oh my god it's so sick yeah 15 tops i mean you have to think and not to get all morbid but it gets worse every year i mean these and these storms happen with more frequency actually yeah this hurricane season was mild shockingly and that's with the tragedies that happened i but remember like i mean the the devastating hurricane that happened that happened very early remember like i mean the the devastating hurricane that happened

that happened very early in the hurricane season and the way i feel was like oh obviously this is like gonna be like the way it is like this is the beginning of the end and then after that to be honest with you like all things considered we had a mild hurricane season this year this past year you're saying yes and that's another thing about thing about the L train kind of staying open. The way I feel about it is kind of like, honestly, keep it open because you don't want to spend millions and millions and millions of dollars fixing it and then just to get fucking wrecked again. Isn't part of what they're trying to do to make it hurricane proof or something i mean i guess that would have that's you'd have to like do something really really really really um sound to make it like hurricane proof and that's got to be the next thing you do because don't just fix it to to it to the best of its ability now because i mean it'll just get fucked up again well see what i always imagine is this is so stupid but

i remember seeing once like after Sandy, one of the things they could do is just put a big balloon in the tunnel and it fills up the whole tunnel with this balloon so that no water gets down in there. Holy. And now that I'm thinking about this, I mean, I don't think it really would work, but like. It would have to be some kind of balloon. It would have to be a big balloon. A big thick balloon. It would have to be big and thick, filling out the whole hole.

Yes. And it would be so massive. And then it would be, you know, there would be no water damage. Wait, I'm so horny. I know. Can you imagine a balloon that thick? Oh, shit. Ow.

I know. Ouch. Talk about ouch. First of all, can we just say ouch ouch we had a long discussion about

bottoming before we got on air yeah we did yes wait did we talk about that yeah we did that was not on air

but we talked about bottoming and you know the preparation that we have to go through and it's not unlike the L train it is not

unlike the L train I mean let me tell you by the time you're 30 you've had a couple Sandy's you know oh honey

oh honey that's actually rule of culture by the time you're 30 you've had a couple Sandys oh honey that's actually rule of culture that's rule of culture number 101 like the Dalmatians by the time you're 30 you've had a couple of Sandys that's exactly right oh my god but I just want a Sandy

that stays you want a Sandy though I want a Sandy that I can get used to. I mean, yeah. There's only been a handful of Sandys. We're about to get a lot of Sandys that we can get used to. You know what I realized? What? Very few people that I've had

Sandys multiple times, that I've experienced multiple Sandys with. I've only had sex with the same person more than once. Multiple, yeah, more than once. That's only happened like three or four times. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Really? Two, three people. I don't know. Maybe overshare, but who the fuck am I kidding? Yeah, whatever. I've literally talked about everything. But my number is very high, but the number of people that I've been with more than once is actually very low.

The meaningful ones. I hate just having sex with someone just once. Yeah. Because I feel like that first time I'm like, what is going on? Who are you? Why are you here? What's up? What's up?

Who are you? Why are you here? What's up? The three questions. Exactly. Yes. And so I was always like, let's just have a relationship. Yeah.

And like have sex. Yeah. Yes. I don't know. Sometimes like I'll have a fucking amazing time the first time. And then the second time it's like, sometimes I feel like maybe that first time it was so good because we were discovering someone's body for the first time. And then the second time it's like, been here, done that, see you later.

If you're like turned. Hang it up. I'm not turned on by the discovery me neither i am i'm always like whoa whoa whoa whoa like here we go you know whoa that's what makes grinder so dangerous for me like it's a slippery slope like i'm not on it right now because like the thing for me is like finding someone out and then i'm like yeah what does that mean because for me it's like the second time it's like oh this is familiar and's like, oh, this is familiar, and there doesn't have to be this learning curve around it. Wait, what is it about you?

You live for the moment where they take their shirt off for the first time? No, I just like, I don't know. I think it's fun to experience someone, and then I almost feel like it's a sicko thing, but once I've experienced someone sexually, we've done it. You know what I mean? Interesting. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. How interesting. That's a wayo thing but once i've experienced someone sexually like we've done it you know what i mean like and it's interesting yeah i don't know i don't know that's interesting that's that's a way that i am yeah well that's beautiful it's not what i want for myself i'd like to have a meaningful

relationship yes and i'm not saying i haven't but i'm just but it's just like i i realized that about myself when i fully like committed to finding out more about myself sexually I wish that I could take a page from your book I wish that it could be more like I don't know like quicker or something I think we're I'm not there anymore either I don't like that

I could do that if it's very very scripted in terms of like this is what we're gonna do like where you like that I like that're gonna do like where are you like that I like that let's do that and then that's that it depends on what you're looking for I think you know what I mean I think you Bo and Yang are looking for a relationship

and so I think that that's why the concept of just having sex with someone one time isn't appealing to you I don't think where I'm at right now I don't think I'm looking for a relationship I think I'm looking to have you want nice experiences. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean?

So it just depends on what you're... There was probably a time in my life where I was horrified at the fact of sleeping with a bunch of people. But now it's what you want. Do you consider yourself like a slut? There was a time when I considered myself us capital s i don't think i ever considered myself a slut but whenever a studio would call me a slut i was out confirmed i could understand where she was coming from she wasn't and she was calling you

that in like a pejorative way she one time i actually thought about this on the subway right over she literally turns to me one time and said you fucked every one of my gay friends that i've introduced you to and i was like i don't think that's true and also like she said like like she thinks she doesn't know exactly what exactly what right right i have hooked up with a bunch of people she's introduced me to or at least because i think it's a thing of like let me put my two gay friends together right which is like that's that's on her no but it's not necessarily bad because I did hook up with them. You know what I mean? It was mutually beneficial for all.

But for her to be like, wait a minute. Oh, what? It's like, well, yeah, you orchestrated it. But also, yeah, it was your choice. Like, you introduced. The thing is like, yes, I did sleep with them and had a great time. And so I guess at the time, like, to be jokingly called a slut, I was like, yes. Why?

Are you a slut? Me? Yeah. Have you been a slut? I don't think. I don't know. Sometimes I was like yes why have you are you a slut me yeah have you been a slut I don't think I I don't know sometimes I feel like slutty right but and I like that but then like I don't think in action like my life I am a slut right I would say that I like have the psychology of a slut yes but not the behavior are you a slut is the title of it are you a slut but sluttiness is a state of mind what was that um what was that that is a title of it. Are you a slut? But sluttiness is a state of mind. What was that

It is a state of mind. That clip of there was this girl on Twitter where like some, it was a slut march and then like this like conservative pundit was there or reporter was there and he's like why are you calling it a slut march? You're proud to be a slut.

She was like, oh what's her name? She's so cool. She's a slut. She was like, Oh, what's her name? Oh yeah. She's, she's, she's so cool. She's so cool. She's like the coolest. She's an actor. She's really cool. Yes. And she was like,

I'm a slut. You're a slut. Your grandma's a slut. Your mom's a fucking slut. We're all fucking sluts here. So get over it. Like we're all sluts. It's also like,

it's not, it's when you say you're not slut shaming, you're just, you're taking a word and being like, I've had sex with people and I enjoy it. Like, you know what I mean? Like that's,

that's all. That's all it is. I think looking back, it it's like i've been there i go through periods yeah i go through periods where it's like i would like to but to be honest with you sometimes it makes me a little nervous and it really depends who it is like now that i know more people it's like i don't know here's the thing here's the thing he knows more people for me it's like now that i'm like there's more and more people who are like learning who I am online. So like I get more people like contacting me,

reaching out to me. And so it is this weird thing of like, there's all like, you know, and people flirt, you know. People flirt and you're like, how do I receive this? Are you guys open? We are open. You are open. So then it's like, it's on the table.

So I mean. But I was like, no We are open. You are open. Okay. So then it's like, it's on the table. So I mean, but I was like, no, I've just been cheating this whole time. Well, I mean, the thing is like, what I was saying was like,

the kind of people I'm around on a daily basis are all people that I know. And there's that thing of like hooking up with your friends, which is like many in the gay community are just kind of like, we can do this and it's fine. I don't know where I'm at with that. You know what I mean? And so it just kind of like we can do this and it's fine i don't know where i'm at with that you know what i mean and so it's kind of like and it's it's all about how you want to spend your time and how you want to negotiate that afterwards like we were talking with brandon scott jones about this i was if i had to put a number on it i've probably hooked up with

at some point like maybe nearly 50 percent of what of my gay friends oh okay i've like i also don't think it's that high. I like usually, almost every guy that like I've hooked up with casually, I am friends with. Really? Yeah. That's great. Because like, I don't know.

I feel like that's part of what's so nice about being a gay guy is that you're kind of like a horny idiot and then you can just like move on. Take the stakes off of it. It's your friends first and then you hook up with them? No. I've had the fucking reverse happen too many times and I'm like, I don't like this. It's like your friends first and then you hook up with them? No. I've done both.

I've had the fucking reverse happen too many times and I'm like, I don't like this. Wait, describe that. Where it's like, I'll be dating someone and then it's like, let's stay friends. And now I'm like, I don't. Is this healthy? Well, I don't know. And also you didn't necessarily start this particular relationship

with them because you wanted to be friends. Right. Right. Exactly. Yeah. That's like heartbreak. That's different. And I've definitely been heartbroken by people before. And then like if the opportunity arose where I was like going to be friends with them, then it's like, yeah, I guess like I guess I have to.

And that's usually only if I have to because they're like in that community that I'm in. Right. But otherwise I would avoid them, you know yeah yeah literally some of my closest I mean like I like Dave and I like the we started our friendship with a hookup with a hookup hooking up yeah I mean like that's kind of like and it so I could you can do both but it is like a conversation like for I won't like if I recently hooked up with a friend, like, within the last six months. And we had, I wanted to make it, I wanted to have a conversation where it was like, this please can't make things different. Right.

Because that would just, I just really don't like that. Totally. I just, it's funny, though. But, like, I'm listening to you guys talk about this. And I'm like, I don't have that same thing. And listen, y'all. Yeah. It's just like, it's fine if it's not like that for you

that's just not my reality which is beautiful and I also don't want people because this is another thing I'm sensitive to which is like the gay community we kind of decide it's a certain way or like it's widely perceived that it's a certain way like yes we're gay we hook up with each other and that's that and it's like I've also

experienced that not happening so don't think that that has to happen I also think it's like one of those things where like that same statistic about like drinking in college where it's like you go in and you're like, everyone's drinking. But then it turns out that like actually

only like 40% of the population is drinking or something. I feel like it's the same thing with sex. Yeah, right. And gay men probably. And because sex is sexy, and it's like, put it on this pedestal,

and it's something that's sold to us, and it's something we're supposed to be doing all the time, and you see media where it's like, so often in gay media, like if there's two gay characters they have hooked up, or they've been on a date,

or something like that. It kind of does give this perception that that is how all gay friendships begin. I mean, literally the most important relationship in my life is a platonic gay friendship and so we were talking to brendan scott jones about how like on the show the other two that he's on like there's a platonic gay friendship and it's so great to see yeah you know yeah yeah because it's not really depicted in

media it's really not no yeah that's true or if it is it's like people don't give a shit yeah you know what i mean i want to see more things of like like you know i that's why i really liked the end of big little lies is because it was like women killing a man killing a man a man like the show largely was marketed and perceived as this thing of like women kind of like catfighting catfighting and like it's these rich privileged white women largely that like are going to like fight. And then what the show actually was about was about how instinctually they had each other's back because of this shared experience.

And you know, I would like to see that represented with the gay community more. I would like to see, and that's why I really, I really like insecure. You know what I mean? Like you see these, like I like seeing things where it's like to see, and that's why I really, I really like Insecure. You know what I mean? Like, you see these like, I like seeing things

where it's like a depiction of community that is a depiction of capital C community. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah,

me too. That is so like, it's so refreshing to see that. Because then it's like, finally we get to see something different. Yeah.

Something real. It feels real. It feels more real. I don't know. But that is missing where it's like, you don't know but that is missing where it's like you don't see these depictions of like

queer people just being like just coexisting yeah without that thick of a sexual layer to it it's just like I mean there was like looking

but then looking was about dating and sex though you know what I mean like and and I think looking succeeded on on very many levels,

but I think like it definitely fell short and that for me, it felt very cast. Yeah. And also like, I get it. Like it was, you know what? It's still an important show.

I think it was important. And, and we, we scrutinize it because it, it, it is the only thing it's, it's that thing where it's like people shat on joy luck club when it came out, because it was the only thing that was meant to represent this experience.

And then every Chinese person turned on it because they were like, well, this is stereotypical. This demasculinizes Asian men. It's bad. It's this. It's this. It's like, well, you're pinning all this shit on it because it's the only thing. The only one. Yeah.

And I think it's like with looking like whenever anyone was like, why would you criticize this? It's the only thing we have. It's like, no, there's got to be some place in the middle. No, totally. Because you have to be able to be critical of art, especially art that represents you and your experience or touts to represent your experience. Touts to. Touts to. And also at the same time, it's like appreciate something for what it is and what it is doing right.

And that's just literally having a discussion about something. You know what I mean? It's like you don't have to get angry or like overly protective. Like we can talk about these things. We all just need to be Katrina Rogerses. We need to flip a table once every 25 years.

Flip a table, babe. She's due for a table flip now. I can't wait. I hope that she, I'm trying to think, is she strong enough to flip a table now? I think so Side table

Yeah like a smaller table Maybe Yeah Yeah I think she can flip a table For sure She's a flipper She's able bodied

Okay I think it's time It's time for I don't think so honey You two both have A look in your eye Like you have You both literally announced

Before we recorded Yes That you guys have You have some I have one That I think is like A true I don't think so honey Okay here we go I. I have one that I think is like a true I Don't Think So Honey. Okay, here we go. I think I have one too.

It's just, it's cooking. And by the way, I Don't Think So Honey is our second where we take one minute to go off on culture. We are going on tour. You can buy tickets to us being on tour. We don't have a website, but they are on my website and you can find them online if you Google search Las Culturistas Tour. You can do it. I trust you. We trust you. Okay, this is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think a website, but they are on my website and you can find them online. If you Google search Las Colas, the store, you can do it.

I trust you. We trust you. Okay. This is Matt Rogers's. I don't think so. Honey, it's time starts now. I don't think so. Honey.

When someone says on their story, new post alert, we can see it. Like also it's like, I don't, I don't necessarily love this because it's like, girl, we got to deal with Amber alert. We got to deal with red alert. I don't need New Post Alert. I also just think like, you know what? If you post, we could see it. If we're following you, we could see it. I also just think like New Post Alert,

if I'm being alerted at something, there should be some cause for alarm. 30 seconds. I don't know. I just like, and I'm talking about this as someone who like be posting on social media, but I think new post alert is like another level where it's kind of like, that's not self-aware.

You need to be a little bit more self-aware. And I, it's usually thoughts that do this. And the new post alert usually kind of, it's never about like new post alert where you can find, uh, information from my show. And I'm not slouching here, but it's usually new post alert. And it's like a thot and I'm not slut shaming here but it's usually

new post alert and it's like a thotty picture and it's like bitch I've already seen it I probably already liked it and jacked off to it and that's one minute so I don't know new post alert I have a little bit of an issue with I mean I think maybe they're trying to like subvert the algorithm and just be like make sure I get eyes on this

and maybe they're being funny probably not probably not and it like to generalize with the band and it usually is thoughts like make sure I get eyes on this. And maybe they're being funny. Probably not. Probably not. Probably not. And it like to generalize with the band and it usually is thoughts. And we love thoughts and they're an important part of our economy.

But like you don't have to do that. I agree. I mean, most of the time I've literally already liked the picture because if you were a thought that I follow, you're probably popping up at the top of my Instagram story because Instagram is deeply evil. I can't. And knows I'm horny.

I can't like too many thought photos because otherwise on my Discover page, it's all thought photos. I don't want all of them. When you go to your Discover page and it's literally all shirtless men, that's when you know you have to seek treatment. I know. Yeah, there you go. That's bad. But we need them to

thrive. Thoughts. I mean, they are, like as you said, a huge part of our economy. Rule of culture number 22 like as you said a huge part of our economy it's actually rule of culture number 22 thoughts are a huge part of our economy okay I think I have something which is booming by the way and I'm so sick of hearing about it because

shut up things are not good things are not good I don't need to hear that there's more jobs like you know what I mean like that's an I don't think so for another time there you go this is bowen yang's i don't think so honey on this the episode with joe castle baker an incredible episode of lost culture recess that we've enjoyed and his time starts now i don't think so honey these recipes that have asian in the title and there's nothing fucking asian them. There's mayo and a chicken salad, Asian medley,

whatever the fuck. No, my people did not throw almonds into their pork. Okay. I don't know what, what Asian, what Asian meatballs are. Okay.

Just like what Asian hashtag, what Asian? My ancestors did not not toil in the fields during the Cultural Revolution in China. They did not wish upon a jade amulet for you to appropriate an entire fucking continental name just so you can sell and peddle your bullshit granola mix onto me, honey.

So listen, if you want to call it something and make it exotic, just say that there's raisins in it. I'll be sold. I love raisins. I'm a raisin bitch. Don't call it Asian. And that's one minute. I think that was important. That is so true.

Thank you very much. Just because it has scallions doesn't mean it's Asian. Honestly, why do you think they do that? To make it seem more interesting. Because they can't be like, well, it's a chicken salad sandwich. No. We gotta get clicks. We're gonna call it an Asian chicken salad.

We're gonna do little things of daikon in there. I would assume, if I ever see something with Asian in the title, I would assume, as a consumer of food, that they're talking about whatever dressing is on it or whatever sauce is on it. They're really just projecting an entire culture onto one ingredient. That's what it is. It's marketing. It's branding.

It's ginger. Yeah. Oh, we're doing ginger. Oh, garlic's an Asian aromatic. Oh oh we're doing you know oh garlic's asian asian aromatic oh my god can you imagine that is so insane it's so fucking crazy it's fucking crazy that's so stupid yeah anyway and that wasn't i don't think so honey that needed to be said thank you i think we're getting back into the form you and i because matt and i everyone else like does amazing i don't think so and you and I are just so... We've done so many. But now I'm really starting to understand how to get back into the saddle.

On to the saddle. Hero's journey, you know. Hero's journey. Yes, thank you, Joseph Campbell. Okay, this is Joe Castlebaker's I Don't Think So Honey. And his time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey, people that need to play music during sex.

Wow. Or people that don't even need to play music during sex. Wow. Or people that don't even need to, but just like do it anyway. Like what mood are you trying to set? Like I don't need you to set my mood. If I'm in the mood, I will be in the mood. I don't need Lord to set the mood for me. And if Lord sets the mood for you, what does that mean about you? Does tennis court make you hot? does tennis court make you hard i don't think so honey i don't think so honey if you are playing

okay let's say that you maybe not even lord maybe it's something a little more appropriate like some kind of electronic thing like that like this is not like the moment where you like crack the code and s for you like we're i'm giving you i'm giving you head right now you know like this is not the moment for that kind of music or even like i don't even know any kind of music all music the only music i want is to hear breathing and the air conditioner and that's it oh that's one minute wow okay i have fucked to Lorde. I fucked to Lorde. I could fuck to the song 400 Lux on repeat. Is there? Okay. Really? Wait, what? Yes, I fucking love Lorde.

I'm not cracking the code. Wait, does the song make you horny? Yes, it really does. Wait, that is so crazy, Matt. I know. I have to tell you, Joe, I fucking, I get extremely horny to Lorde. Here's the thing, though. Oh my God, that to me. What about like a Frank Ocean thing?

No. I don't connect with Frank. There is no music on earth. D'Angelo. That will make me horny. Really? Okay. You're not listening to the right playlist.

I have a playlist on my Spotify called LOL and it's my sex playlist. Oh my God, I love that. And I will, I'll put it, I'll send it to you. And I will just be like,

yep. And one time I had sex with someone and they said and after we had sex they said that was a great fuck playlist and I was like that's Joe I get what you're saying but I also every every it depends on the context I think I like to

light candles play some fucking oh god see to me that's like wordless music here's the thing what about music without words the wordless music is the worst me no wordless music here's the thing what about music without words the wordless music is the worst because the wordless music it's I love this um I'm not cracking the code in SVU I'm giving you head

that is a beautiful poll quote from Joe's IDTSH right that's really good but I wordless music is creepy I don't think so yeah it is but you said it's more appropriate. I would definitely, definitely not choose music with lyrics for songs. If, I mean, if you had to have music playing during sex, like at least make it an instrumental.

What about like Rocket by Beyonce? Like that is like the ultimate. Well, here's the thing. Even the songs that are like explicitly sexual, it's like, come on. Let me take my time. Maybe I don't want to feel that right now. You know what I mean? The third or fourth time that Henry and I hooked up, when we first started dating,

we actually, on accident, One Plus One by Beyonce came on. Oh, that's too much. And it heightened it so much to where it was like, I think in both of our minds, we were like, this is maybe way too much. But you know what? Because when you're playing music

that's basically a threesome. With that artist you're having a threesome. And threesomes are always bad. And threesomes are very bad. I've never had a three. Really? I bet you've done threes. I have, yeah.

I've had a few. But not with music. No music. That would make it a question um i would i would go back to gallatin and study threesomes i would go back oh my god you would be welcomed with open arms i don't know you guys i think we're all disagreeing about this music thing i think i'm in between the two of you that That's what I'm saying. Yeah. What music would you play? What would you select? Okay, let me, I truly, this is-

Pulling out the phone. I'm pulling out the phone. This is my very basic fuck playlist that I have not ever used in actual practice. Do I have mine on? I think mine's on iTunes, and it's also old. And it's old, and it's not- I'm shaking my head.

It's not, hold on. Oh, maybe I deleted it, because I was fully ashamed of it oh hold on hold on no i i did it because my phone my phone data was full and i can't figure out how to fuck this is this is this is so old i have like i have songs from like the very first xx album so maybe that's in between like lyrical and yes yes yes i have like this is so bad I have Marvin Gaye please stay I have Dr. Dre

explosive I have but do you see I just pulled mine up go go go the oral changes A-U-R-A-L

changes are insane this shit is too much like you need someone there to orchestrate it then. You know what I mean? Totally.

You having Marvin Gaye on there is very first thought. I'm not impressed. I'm saying, this is very first thought. Can I just read some other ones? So bad. I have BJ the Chicago Kid.

I have No Sleep by Janet Jackson. I have Hello by Erykah Badu. I have Bliss by Mariah Carey off Rainbow. And then like that's it. And I have like Frank Ocean stuff in that. Okay. I mean, the first song that I saw in mine was Tambourine by Eve, which is shake your tambourine and go and get yourself,

and which is just not for sex. And so I clearly made this when I was 23. And you refused to reveal anything else? I refused. I just embarrassed myself to so many people. I mean, that actually isn't the playlist because I believe it might just be at home on my iTunes. Like a CT?

Because I don't... Local file. Oh my God. Local file. Local file. But follow me on Spotify and I will be posting my sex playlist LOL. I love that it's called LOL too.

It's called LOL because I was like too nervous. Of course. That moment of, that's another like, I don't think so honey. Naming playlist? The like humiliation of naming a playlist. Wait, that's so real.

It's like, what if someone reads my playlist title? One of mine is called Inspired in all caps. And I have, my famous one is called Classic Diva. Classic Diva. Which everyone should follow. What makes a good playlist title, you think?

That is outwardly, like, cool. You have to just not give a shit. You have to just literally not care. You have to just be like, eh, eh, eh, fuck. Yeah, exactly. I have one called Now. And, like, I don't know. It's like not new songs.

Playlist titles are so vulnerable. They are. They're so vulnerable. But they're just so performative. They're so performative songs. Playlist titles are so vulnerable. They are. They're so vulnerable. But they're just so performative. They're so performative. My, my, my from Joy Zavanna. Nobody looks at that. Nobody gives a shit.

Honestly, whenever anyone somehow, I don't think so, honey, people who somehow find what I'm listening to on Spotify and like send me a screenshot of it. I'm like, get out of my life,

literally. I know. Truly. I've been doing this thing where I do post my playlists on my story. I'm like, get out of my life, literally. Truly. I've been doing this thing where I do post my playlists on my story. I know you do that. You have good taste.

You have good taste. Is that a little, is that a thing? No. Do you guys think it's a thing where it's like, I think it might be a degree of like,

I want to show people how cool I am. Yeah, for sure. And that's healthy. That's healthy. For sure. That's a sign of a healthy psyche. You like being

the arbiter of taste that's basically the same thing as new post alert new playlist you know no no no no it's disgusting it's adjacent

it's adjacent it's not it's adjacent it's more acceptable be honest be honest no new playlist because you've cultivated

something but also you're not a musician you're not making the music yes you're saying which is even worse it's not it's different

you are sharing something that you cultivated exactly and that I'm proud to have made You're not making the music. Yes. You're saying, hey. Which is even worse. It's not. It's different. You are sharing something that you cultivated. Exactly. And that I'm proud to admit. It's not new post alert, which is you hiring someone to take a hot photo of you. Sure, sure. Which is also noble and beautiful. Gorgeous. And we need you for the economy.

Thank you. Never forget. Never forget. If you were to stop, this whole thing would crumble. That's exactly right. I loved this episode. This was very good. I know.

It gave me the tingles. Gave me the tingles. And Joe gives us the tingles. I mean, clearly. I try. Okay. Oh my God, please check out Get Real. Matt and I have both done it with Max Werder.

They're both so fucking funny. I watch them and I'm like, this is all I want to see ever in the world. And it can be all you ever see. It can be all you ever see. So check them out every month at the Spectacle or at a rotating venue every now and then. What is the last thing you want to say for right now to the Lost Culture listeners? Because you'll be back, but what do you need to say to them that they need to know?

Wow. As a Gallatin School of Injury, at the end of all your studies. After everything I learned at Gallatin, I would say, you know, let go. Let go. Let yourself find go. Go. Let yourself find go. And then go.

Wow. Let go, let yourself find go. And then go. And then go. And then go. And then go. Wow. Let go, let yourself find go. And then go. And then go. And then go. And then go. Beautiful. Oh my God.

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