Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Art Chat" (w/ Jeffery Self)

Episode Date: November 14, 2018

Prepare yourself for ART! Matt and Bowen sit down with iconic LA Gay Jeffery Self (Search Party, 30 Rock) to talk about art on the Paramount Network, managing gay jealousy, Adam Rippon, being a kept boy, Jeffery’s fancy actor husband, Rosie O’ Donnell, and more. Plus, are Matt, Bowen, and Jeffery the first gays to ever discuss Spider-Man Homecoming? Or is there a whole whisper network?---MERCH! MERCH! GET YOUR LAS CULTURISTAS MERCH!https://www.teepublic.com/stores/las-culturistasSUBSCRIBE ON APPLE PODCASTS TODAY!LAS CULTURISTAS IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST. LAS CULTURISTAS IS PRODUCED BY EMMA FOLEY.http://foreverdogproductions.com/fdpn/podcasts/las-culturistas/ Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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which are on sale right now. Ooh, those are the shows and that's the gauntlet. Special guests. Special guests. And that's a musical directed by Henry Kapersky as well. Yes.

Oh, I can't wait for all of these shows. I will be at three out of four of them for sure. So please get those tickets and check them out. Yes. Forever. Dog. Look, man. Where?

Oh, I see. Wow. Oh, my. Bowen, look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow.

Las Culturistas. Ding Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong, Las Culturistas calling. Ugh. What's a ugh? The Halloween, we're recording this on the 27th. It's a debacle. We just had a conversation, a quick cursory little conversation with our guest. You're angry at me.

No. I'm a little angry at you, but I'm just, I'm angry at, but I should be angry at just the system. I think, thank you so much.

I always say, don't be angry at me, be angry at the system. It's rule of culture number 14. Don't be angry at me, be angry at the system. And it's the system. It's Halloween in New York

is just, everyone feels, you feel like you have to fall in line with. It is what, what, it's the bad part about the gay community blown up a hundred thousand times sure well you're choosing to magnify the can you tell i'm self-conscious um yes i i feel as though like here's the thing i have a couple a few

costumes i could wear yeah i have one slutty costume it's a little slutty sailor slutty sailor that i got from my shoot with Logo. Oh yeah, you got Logo stuff. So by the way, Dave Mazzoni and I are doing some videos for Logo and you guys should check them out. Very fun.

So they actually, I offhand mentioned that I kind of liked the way I looked in the costume and then I looked over and it was on my things at the end of the day. Some PA had been like

wink, wink, nudge, nudge, take this home. They wanted to fuck you. Perchance. Yeah. But whoever that person is, celebrate that idea okay and you don't have my number from what are your options um and then i have gay jackson main yeah which i said that and our guests said well and so now i don't want to do that i And what? Aren't you so glad that our guests gave you a candid response? 100%.

I'm grateful for and thankful for the guests. And then what was your third? My third was the one we were going to do together, which was a Killing Eve moment. Sort of best friend's costume. Of course, you would be Sandra Oh, and I would be Villanelle. You would be Jodie Comer. Jodie Comer. Famously her name.

Famously her name. Famously her name. 25 years old. Can you believe? Are you fucking serious? Isn't that fucked up? That is so fucked up. She's so good. She's so good.

But here's the thing. I feel like she doesn't have like an iconic look. I would have to stay attached to your side at all times. I know. It is one of those things where it's like

if we're decoupled, I would sort of make sense as Sandra, but like everyone would be like You would make deep sense. Are you? But you could just be another Ally

you could be Ally why I guess I mean I guess alright okay here's the thing

last year we had a really good costume and it's gonna be hearts top we did Big Little Lies Big Little Lies I was I Patronata and I was

Select early episodes Nicole Kidman still racked with secrets and guilt sure we'll figure it out but I'm so glad that we have this conversation about the culture Early episodes of Nicole Kidman still racked with secrets and guilt. Sure. We'll figure it out. I'm so glad that we have this conversation about the culture.

And by the time this comes out, it'll be well into November. And here's the thing. Also, I don't want anyone to worry about me because I know I will turn it out before my first party of the evening. Absolutely. Of which there are two.

Of which there are two. And we're going to see our guest at the second one. We're going to see our guest at the second one. And he has, and he's just keeping it simple, streamlined love it he's not he's not falling for it maybe he mouths maybe he mouths we don't know he's a very creative person i love i love our guests so much deeply deeply for many years since jeffrey and cole casserole uh with our other lovely lovely the beloved um you know who was a huge jeffrey south fan henry henry of course since

you since young since young yes since since like way back i think yeah jeffrey and cole casserole perfect um he is and then we were at the same party as henry kapurski my my ex and then we were at the same we were at the duplex one night you came i think to see who was it what's that what we i think we went to like maybe maybe it was like Pat Regan's show or Catherine Cohen's show. He wants to talk, so let's just bring him in. I'm just going to say,

Henry said you have to introduce me to Jeffrey. And I was like, okay, yes, that can happen. Okay. So he's being so good about just the decorum of all of this. Because he gets it. He gets the biz.

Jeffrey self gets it. Now say his little credits and then we can go on. He's an actor, author, celebrated comedian. Okay, so. Search Party. Search Party. Mark on Search Party.

Fantastic. Truly like the gay straight man in all of it. Getting married this season. Yes. And Elliot is not the straight man at all. And Elliot is just truly insane. A goofy. Well, goofy, but also mentally.

Real John Early type. Real John Early type. Real John Early type. And meanwhile, Mark is a huge Jeffrey self type. But anyway, I've said his name already. You can read his books,

Drag Teen, or A Very, Very Bad Thing. And, oh God, Jeffrey Live, I loved. I loved. Oh yeah.

And I hope, I hope maybe there's a comeback. But you know, the live space is interesting right now. That was my first um that was my first the live space was huge um but that was my first also introduction to then house twink now star of heathers brendan oh my god house twink fell in love and um oh my god and uh just iconic girl in 30 rock one of like the i love and i didn't even know this was jeffrey until years later and I was like, who was that? It was Lemon's gay cousin.

Randall? Randy? Yeah. Randall! I'm talking now. Oh my god, I'm broken! It is Jeffrey South! I wasn't sure when we could talk. We asked you a direct question. I really respect the decorum of podcasts, famously. Thank you for doing that. No one does anymore. Yeah, no, no, no.

They don't, you know, these days. But thank you. I'm so excited to anymore yeah no no no um they don't you know these days but thank you i'm so excited to be here i'm such a fan of you guys jeffrey okay talk about your halloween plan and okay so we're all gonna see each other at a party in in um mere hours i don't know i was kind of excited because i had no halloween plans and i thought okay great no one's gonna get their shit together i'm not gonna have to do anything but then someone planned something and now I feel like I actually have to do something because I always show up at Halloween parties not in a costume

and then I feel even more uncomfortable I think it is I think it's worse to be the person who looks like they a don't care or be thought they were too cool you never want to be that and it's smug enough to be like oh my costume is me. You know, some pithy thing. I actually even

like, right when I said that, I had something that I was going to use for I don't think so, honey, later. But I might actually do what I was just about to say for that because I have a strong feeling about it. But anyway, I find Halloween very overwhelming. I loved it as a kid. I thought it was great. Mimi from

the Drew Carey show was among many wonderful memorable costumes. Nowadays, I agree. There's a pressure within the gays, especially. I was looking at Instagram stories last night and just pissed off at every click. Do you want to know what it is for me?

It's like I actually end up sort of, and I say this and don't get upset. I end up sort of nail i'm i i say this and don't get upset i end up sort of nailing it every year oh do you yes i mean as someone who's followed you for a while i don't know i'm just now buzzfeed gay buzzfeed um one time put me on a list for best halloween costumes i was what this is so fucking basic also i was remembering this imagine remembering this. Imagine remembering. I would remember this too. I was gay Harry Potter. I mean, sure.

You and like literally 5,000 people had sex with. I know, but 5,000 is conservative. And he's only had sex with 5,003. But no. What did you, I mean. I had this scar. Henry was Malfoy. And it was a really hot like, ooh, Malfoy and Harry Potter. really hot like Malfoy and Harry Potter

go home and figure each other scenario I'm not a Harry Potter person really I don't really know the whole mythology well Harry Potter was a wizard yeah I know that much and he was famously straight and then your spin on it was gay

and actually that's my spin on Jackson Maine tonight was gonna to be gay. Yeah, so let's go circle back to that. Yeah, I mean, because that, were you going to be Ally? No, there was no plan for it to be a friend's costume. He's sticking to his thing. Why not Ally? I feel like there's going to be a million Allys.

Catherine Cohen's going to be Ally. What Ally, though? Are we talking? That was a question that she had. Got it. And I said that's why it's a really good dynamic costume, because you could even have a a night of Allie's. You really could do so many changes and reveals.

You could be the first time we see Popstar Allie, which is the red hair and the hideous little blue dress. You could have, always remembered us this way, Allie in that white kind of iconic pantsuit. I'm more into like the leather jacket, the long sort of natural dark hair, the like yelling at the father and the really forced Italian accent long sort of natural dark hair. I agree. The like yelling at the father and the really forced

Italian accent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, there is, of course, I'll Never Love Again, Ali, which is a kind of iconic look if you have the gown. If you have the gown.

And then there's that orange wig that they revealed that wasn't in the trailer but then, you know, made a big appearance. There are a lot of options. We're just walking

through the costumes of the Star is Born. You know what? I will do Andrew Dice Clay. If you do Ali, I'll be Andrew Dice Clay. And if you do Blue Jasmine, I'll do Andrew Dice Clay when he accosts her on the street in Blue Jasmine. Oh, my God. I think we should all just do VMAs Andrew Dice Clay and be really homophobic.

Yeah. Yeah. Let's do that. Night of Andrew Dice Clay is not a do VMAs, Andrew Dice Clay, and be really homophobic. Yeah. Yeah. Let's do that. Nine of Andrew Dice Clay is not a bad one. Nine of Andrew Dice Clay. Very intriguing thing. Very fun. You know who's going to nail it?

Whichever gay decides to go as Gail. Gail. Like, hi, Ellie, I'm Gail. Yeah. Like the person who leads her out onto the stage. Gail is the woman who gets her out of the car at the show. Gail is a gay icon. Gail is a gay icon.

I have missed the Twitter boat on Gail, I guess. Gail is one of three female characters in that whole movie. In the whole film. Oh my God, you're right. Think about it. Because Shangela doesn't count. That's so depressing.

Yeah. So it's Gaga. It's Chappelle's wife. And it's Gail. And she's the clipboard lady who leads her from the car to... Do we know the actress's name? No, but she's like really broken through in like a niche way. But it's such... Amongst people it's she's the clipboard lady who leads her from the car do we know the actress's name no but she's like

really broken through in like a niche way but amongst people that think she's an icon it's kind of it's very Irel Sue from like Stranger Things that's what I was about to say

what's her yeah yeah yeah right Sue that was the name oh no no no Barb Barb so is she gonna like end up in like a

Greg Berlanti show within minutes I think it's it's not not huge for her career whoever this is and then you know who i found out auditioned for that part casey wilson wait auditioned for gail she said that she said on um on a bitch bitch apparently like that she had auditioned for that role of gail unless that was a joke and i think that's a very funny joke it's either way it's brilliant either way I like it thank you Casey um Jeffrey

are you are you like okay you're firmly team like L a team LA LA camp well so I mean it's very hard to discuss with people like you guys please like you are such ambassadors for like gay New York no but I don't think I well here's the thing I actually saw I saw you out in LA and I was having a great time well no

I mean I mean it's not like we we don't have fun there it's a fabulous fun it's a fun place listen i lived here for six years but i moved here when i was like 17 yeah and so it felt like when i left i was like still broke and like came to la and realized you could be still broke in la and have a better life oh and i that's huge. And I've kind of remained with that. But also New York just stresses me out. I feel like I stay out all night. I sleep all day.

All the just the boring things. Have you ever lived in LA? I spent about a month there this summer, all told. Because we were out there for two weeks. Two weeks. And then I went back for two weeks. So I was out there for a while. That was the largest chunk of time. Long Island? Long Island. And where are you?

Colorado. Colorado. So it's a little more of the same vibe, I guess. Sure, I mean, yeah. I mean, look, they're both great places. Everybody's back and forth. You know, if you have there's places to avoid in both places. You know, I don't, you know, none of us are like hanging around the like,

you know, muscle Queens of hell's kitchen really. And none of us are really hanging around the muscle Queens of West Hollywood. Right. I think I might do a January through March in LA. I might do the whole thing. You mean pilot season? No,

I wasn't going to give it. I wasn't going to just give pilot season that whole chunk of the year, but I guess it has earned that. Go out to the coast. I might. And, but so now I'm kind of like happy to teas in that whole chunk of the year, but I guess it has earned that. Go out to the coast. I might. So now I'm kind of happy to have had that time there in the summer to acclimate to it because it characteristically has made me very stressed out. Yeah, I get that.

Once you get past it, though, I think it becomes really groovy. Great. And you have roots planted there now anyway. You're literally married. I'm literally married. I like having a boring grown-up life there. there now anyway like you're you're literally married i'm literally married i you know like i like having like a boring a grown-up life there that's whereas i can't figure out how to do that here and i because i think it's just too expensive totally yeah i think like now that you like have

the husband and are actualized i think like that seems like la is a very good kind of zone it made me kind of... My FOMO really roared out when I was in LA. In LA, because you felt isolated and you're wherever you were staying. Exactly. And I was like, if I'm trying to get somewhere, it might take a long time.

See, that's why I like it. Because I don't like leaving the house. I'm very like... I'm such an introvert. I'm such a nerd. And I just... I'm such a nerd about my couch So I really like not leaving the house

So it's good It's very good to like And I live like far out in like Culver City Where no one else lives Gorgeous So yeah sure Oh yeah that is far Only the best

And it's really far So it's like great for No one ever drops by No one ever Like no one ever wants to come over and then like you can be you don't ever have to go to other people's it's great it's great it's it's great what is what does uh husband do augustus augustus prue um he is an actor he is a he is a fancy like real person actor amazing what is augustus been in well he had um well he's as a child he was in about a boy

he was rachel vice is that rachel vice is that who's in that movie uh i always get hurt about a boy was you yeah he plays the other little boy who's like she's not not not the boy he's not the boy that's nick holt and then the other oh my god that was nicholas yeah and then the other boy is rachel vice's son and yet he's like he gets like jealous that of hugh grant dating his mom he's wow um that's a meaty role it was a meaty role so that was his first thing and then he um he's you know he had a show on c last year called Pure Genius. It was a medical procedural that he was the lead of. It was not very good.

And it got canceled. And then he was also one of the leads on the reboot of Prison Break. Oh, hell yeah. He was cellmates with Wentworth Miller. How hot is that? How did that go? They never had sex. Oh, shit.

I know. I was very bummed. Sorry, characters never had sex? Real life never had sex? Well, all of the above. All of the above. It never happened fictionally or non-fictionally. Nor did I ever get to have dinner

with Wentworth Miller. I was really greasing the wheel for that. What a wasted moment. What a waste of a husband's career. What a waste of a husband's career. I gotta wonder

who Wentworth Miller's gays are. What his little coterie of queers is. I think he found them late, Beau. I think he found them late, and I don't think there's room for a Jeffrey self-type. I think that you're wrong about that. I don't know. I think there's always room for a Jeffrey self-type.

I think it could be a little polarizing for him. I don't know. I don't know Wentworth Miller's gayness. I think that his gayness is very like, well, I don't want to pass judgment on him, but he certainly was one of those gays that came out late sure and was really like all of us like trying to do the exactly trying to do the actor thing and like i he to me is like i'm at dallas who is that oh kyle x y yeah kyle x y and he has a hot husband and they have a kid and

fucking hot husband yeah the kid now he's like happily gay and i like met them ran and i didn't even meet them i like bumped into them at a some sort of party and like was like so attracted to them and then like tm'd one of them when i was like really stoned on instagram i was like so great with chatting last night like we really gotta get together and like i you know we want to have kids one day, so I'd love to talk to you about your family. We did not talk about any of this. I just was trying to have- Did they respond? No.

I think he saw it. He saw it and saw through it. Do you guys do a lot of stone DMs? To be honest with you, I probably do it more than I should and it always is in an altered state oh it's not good I'm trying to get better about it

I can't help myself when I have a crush on a guy I'm talking to them in the DMs it's like the apps are dead and DMs are the way and we all know it too so it's transparent no matter what yes and I follow so many and mostly they are people I've never met and probably will never meet because they're like models who live in other

countries but like but isn't it fun to be like hi yeah i'll tell you i met we when we did we covered vulture festival for vulture well okay yeah it'd be weird if you're coming for vanity but we um we met my crush who was your crush Jonathan Groff Jonathan Groff okay walk me through it because I've actually never met Jonathan Groff I say that actually here's literally

what happened so we're there and I'm nervous because it's Jonathan Groff and I've talked about my crush on Jonathan Groff and you can't DM him because he's not on social

not even on social he's one of those so he's coming in and he's like talking to his co-stars because we're interviewing him for Mindhunter which I couldn't give a fuck less about. Yeah.

Fuck off. So I go to him. I'm like, hey. So pretend you're me and say, hey, I'm Matt. Okay. Hey, I'm Matt. Jonathan. Ooh.

That's a firm handshake. We're still holding hands, by the way. And then my hand melted in his. Yeah. And I was like, and I had to like pull it away and like cum came out of your finger i it was it was very overwhelming and then i think we did like a d plus interview with them yeah it was not because and they didn't say goodbye to us what yeah yeah yeah it was it was very it wasn't like a winning interview was his vibe sexy though

he has a confident vibe he knows how hot he is he does okay there's confidence yeah he's a confident vibe but also like this there's something this is also equal it just adds to the charm in a way but also to me i was like oh you're just like a dorky dude he was talking about musical theater with one of his co-stars and it was like it was like feels like someone like would write that in a script about jonathan brown right exactly and he's normal, too. But, like, it kind of, I got the vibe from him where it's like, okay, he seems far away because he's Jonathan Groff, and I do think there probably is, like, you know, not an ego there because he knows how charismatic and hot he is. But there doesn't exist a world where we could not be friends.

You know what I mean? Like, it was like that. Yeah. Yeah. That's your number. Is he your number one crush? He is up there, but I don't know. He's always top of mind for you.

You always talk about him. I love him. I have never, ever once seen him in anything because I'm so frustrated by how hot he is and his success. I have to tell you something. So I'm too jealous to watch his work. He's so talented. I've never seen him do anything. Never watched

an episode of Looking, Mind, whatever that is. I could not care less about Mindhunter, but I did watch, I slogged through Looking. It had its high points and low points. Largely wasn't great, but I think he's fantastic. It might have been a great show. I literally cannot watch things with him in it because I get to, uh,

no. There you go. Wow. So you really have avoided him. I mean, I've seen like the clips of, uh, let it go.

Sure. I'm not a fucking monster, but I have a question I'd like to pose. Are we as a gay culture getting better about gay jealousy? Oh, I'm not. I don't think so. I think I am.

I'm trying. I'm going to say that I'm, I'm doing, I'm doing great. Yeah. I mean, we're all sitting here. No one's,

no one's hit each other yet. No one wants to kill each other. I mean, it's hard because I don't know. We were, I think we DM'd about this the other day because you talked, you had a video thing about like people being mean in comments yes

and trying to pit you two against each other and you reached out yes and because that drives me that used to happen to me and Colin like when we were doing the stuff for Logo and like and I it just would drive me crazy because it's just so pointless and it's like why yeah it's coming from someone trying to think they're like

funny and they want to get like funny and they want to get our attention and they want to get our attention it's like look I can sass it up too bitch no thank you

but I think I think we're getting somewhat better at gay jealousy I'm still working on it though man I still can't I get so jealous

of everybody of things I don't even do I was jealous of Adam Rippon you know what I mean I don things i don't even do like i was jealous of adam rapon you know what i mean it's like yeah i don't i don't skate i'm never gonna skate well here's what bothered me about the rapon thing is that then it seemed like he was like trying to transition it's a comedy and

i'm like you don't get to do this i mean like i was worried about that i think that you are charismatic and good at interviews and like once in a while yes yeah you can you can tweet a tweet sure but um that to me was like the world in which i think the person inside me that sees the entertainment industry and and feels like there's only so many spots it's like if one of those spots were to be occupied by adam ripon in a comedic manner i i would be bothered yes that's true like i got i got like really jealous when he was like i think, recently on Will & Grace. And I got jealous. But I'm sure he was playing himself. And again,

he's probably 10 years younger than I am. He is a literal Olympian. There's very little overlap. He's gorgeous in white. You know what I mean? There's so much room for that kind of thing. Especially because he's already famous. But I think he'll probably settle into like a commentator career sure he should be doing like

like you see what johnny weir and tara lipinski have been able to do like what that's fascinating and he hasn't like you know beaten the shit out of his husband right oh my god wait did johnny do that that was allegedly i think johnny i think there's some darkness with Johnny. There was like a whole paparazzi. Paparazzi! Tablet story of him beating, I think, literally he beat his husband. Oh, no. There's something. There's some darkness.

And I think they had a very ugly divorce. And I do know this because he was on that Twink Medium. Wait, what? Oh, Twink Medium. Oh, Hollywood Medium. Tyler. We're going to call it Twink Medium. What's his name?

Twink Psychic. Tyler Henry. Tyler Henry, yeah. He was on Twink Psychic. What a great title. twink medium oh twink medium oh hollywood medium tyler we're gonna call it twink medium what's his name twink psychic tyler henry tyler henry he was on twink psychic what a great title why did they not title it that honestly i'm just gonna write my own show called twink psychic

that's brilliant so basically like he was on that show and they talked about the divorce and like the divorce was like somehow coming through

like the other ghosts come through and the twink psychic yeah the divorce is a ghost the twink psychic when you really think about it he's he's it's not just ghosts it's not just ghosts he can also like he's also like empathic okay so he basically was like i'm sensing like a lot of darkness like you went through a divorce and and he was like yeah you've oh you've

you've read pictures once allegedly he's never read anything about any celebrity which is a jump that i oh right right right well i love it when he has like the celebrities that like you yourself as the audience member like who the fuck is this yeah yeah yeah that's all that's really fun but also then sometimes he'll have some that show books some huge celebrities like like and some miranda yeah it's it'll go from like a huge celebrity to like britney gaston oh to like little kim yeah yeah well that would be big for him. I feel. He did.

He had Lil Kim and he was one of the demons. He was one of the few people that flat out he recognized right away. Oh, that's good. He knew Lil Kim. Even with her, like, I bet she had some ghosts.

She had some ghosts. Biggie. He talked to Biggie. Look, I'm not going to say they, they didn't say why Biggie died or who killed biggie but they kept saying in the in the previews it was like the end of the episode obviously so he was like do you have any questions and she was like i mean i think everyone would want to know who shot him and it was like what

they were teasing it oh my god and then he i think at the end of the episode and i could be wrong about this because i don't fully remember but he he did say, I don't, it's not coming through who, but I will say that there was like hints leading up to the, in the days before who it could be like, you guys probably could figure this out if you really think about what happened in the days before. And then she said something like, yes,

it was really weird. Like he called us all into the recording studio and made us all sit in the same room and told us all to be careful. Like, yes, it was really weird. Like, he called us all into the recording studio and made us all sit in the same room and told us all to be careful. And then she kind of said all this shit about how it was in the air that something was going to happen. But it was very bizarre. That is very bizarre.

And also, wouldn't it be crazy if Tyler Henry is the person who figured out who shot Biggie? I thought you were going to say, wouldn't it be crazy if Tyler Henry was the person who shot Biggie. That would be way more interesting. Truly goofy. Let's write it. You know which one of the hardest

ones to watch was actually Gus Kenworthy because he was on and he described how he actually was witness to one of his friends dying when he was a teen and it was like his best friend and like he got him to open up about it. I'm telling you this Tyler Henry twink.

He's got, I mean, twink psychic is good. The power of the twink, babe. Listen, this is the year of the twink, they say. All the perfume genius. Wasn't that last year? Oh yeah, you're right. Right. Good.

Perfume genius said that now that he's no longer a twink, no one is and that the age of the twink is over. Wait, but why is it perfume genius? It was like a funny tweet, but like he was like, no, but it was very solipsistic. It was very like, now that I'm no longer a twink, no one can be. But he is a twink still. He absolutely is a twink. Yeah, he's so

cute. How do you identify? I used to identify as a twink. I'm an age dead twink. I think I'm an age dead twink. There has to be a name for it. We have to point it. I hate the twunk. I don't like twunk. I almost felt myself say it and I was like, don't say that. I kind of like wolf. Well,'t like twunk. I almost felt myself say it, and I was like, don't say that. It's just, yeah.

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Yeah. Because you can't be saying Fox. It conjures up memories of Megyn Kelly's place of birth. Yeah. Also, I picture more like Silver Fox. That's true. Silver Fox. It conjures up memories of Megyn Kelly's place of birth. Yeah, and also I picture more like Silver Fox. That's true. Silver Fox. How do you identify?

I don't. A Gaysian, but there's no specificity. Right. But that's the disgusting community doing that to you. Totally. I don't really know. We're doing it to ourselves. Absolutely.

We are the community. We are the community. But I truly, I think we're at a place where we can break, we can culturally help, not us as like a podcast. No, I think the three of us right now. The three of us right now can help fix this thing of gay jealousy. And look, it's always going to be there. I do too. And I think it's something that's like a really good like overall thing to try to like be mindful of.

Because it is, I mean,, I have friends who are like, I'm not jealous, but clearly they're jealous. You clearly are jealous. I think, yeah, it's a big thing. And I think it's why there's so much infighting within gay people. We're not going to sit here and ignore the fact that there was a large chunk of time,

I think probably in the, I think in us earlier coming up like where it didn't feel like there were too many spots yes and so sometimes i will book something and they'll flat out say to me like you know john couldn't do this yeah or like joel yeah right or like you know this person couldn't do this and we we love you yeah but but they make it sort of clear that i was like the sixth runner up. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean?

Yeah. I've experienced that a lot. So it's like, and I don't think they're meaning to say like, I think what they're trying to do is be like, we know all your friends. But as a roundabout way of in doing that, they're kind of like saying, you know, there was a gay role on here and we thought of the most famous quote unquote person for it. But I definitely think that's not any of our fault. Have you been jealous of the most famous quote unquote person for it. But I definitely think that's not any of our fault.

Have you been jealous of the Queer Eye guys? Yes. Because they're so world famous. But not even jealous but also just confounded in this way that's like oh Antony's doing a set is hosting a show at New York. Well what the hell is that?

He's going to be the foil to Jonathan. Sure, but like, that doesn't mean he knows how to be on a stage in front of people. I think he probably does know how to be on a stage in front of people. Was he an actor? He was an actor.

He did UCB classes. No, I'm sure he's great. Anthony's perfect. We love him. No, stop. You don't have to do that. But, um... What, do you guys do a show, though,

as them or something? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not as them. It's basically, it's called Queer Eye Live, where we basically all pick one of the things. Like, I'm the food and wine person. And we pull someone up on stage and we kind of give them the Queer Eye Live.

And you do it live. And we do it live. Oh, that's fun. We just did it at the Bell House last week. It's Zach Zimmerman's brainchild. Lovely guy. He pulled us in. Do you guys do live shows, like shows like every night I feel like your Instagram

is always like I'm here I'm here I'm doing this it oftentimes feels like it happens to get booked all on the same time like last week we happened to have three shows I happened to have three shows right in a row and I was like god I feel insufferable on Instagram right now but it's not like every

fucking no no no it's not I'm not saying the promotions and stuff. Right. I would I would pull you aside. Don't worry. But but still. But just I'm impressed. You're so busy.

I think it's like one of those. It's a thing where you don't post your failures. You know, that's a bit. Yeah, that's true. That's a big New York versus L.A. difference. I think it's like I feel like, well, I guess there are people in L.A. who are doing shows every night. I'm just lazy. New York feels like busier. It does. LA difference I think. I feel like, well, I guess there are people in LA who are doing shows every night. I'm just

lazy. New York feels busier? It does, yeah. For better or for worse because in LA you're just like, oh, cool, I'm just going to be chilling at home with my friends. I mean, I guess I could go to a show at the Virgil every night, but I'm not doing that. I feel like in New York it's like the New York pace of life.

It's like, I'm doing this. Look, I'm doing this. Whereas the LA pace of life is like, I'm going to do that. Yeah. Okay. And what's, I'm sorry. I don't get it. Like, it's like, I think it's more chill and focused. It's like, oh yeah, I'm going to do that.

And then in New York, it's like, I'm doing this and this and this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's an energy thing. Yeah.

Are you basically just pooped out every day in New York? Like after like you shoot, you're just like, okay. Well, I mean, a search party is so great because like i come for like like long periods of time and then i only like shoot like one day a week and it's great but then you can like you're here and you can avoid people by saying like oh i'm shooting the whole time yes reality i'm just at the apartment and watching tv but uh but it's that's nice yeah it does but it does it stresses me the fuck out here it's that is the dream so i mean i think my dream in life is to do as little as possible. Yeah.

For the maximum amount of money. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I always say the reason why I want to be successful is so I can be on vacation all the time. Yeah, like I would be totally fine with my husband like just fully supporting me. Yeah, a kept boy. I would love to be I tried desperately to be a kept boy for most of my early 20s in New York and it never

never stayed off kept boy I think but like theoretically you would just find someone who'd be like yes you you're staying with me you but but you're saying aspirationally in your 20s that was that was a thing I mean but I also actually wanted to accomplish stuff.

Now I feel like I'm like, okay, I would happily, like if my husband were to be like, like in my dream scenario, like my husband becomes like Tom Holland, which would require like a time machine for him to go backwards. It can happen. But it can happen. And so he would be like Spider-Man,

and he would have like just tons and tons of money and I would just travel the world with him. I know that sounds really just sad and just basic, but I'm in. I'm in too, actually. Especially because you said Tom Holland and I've been short-circuiting in my brain. I think he's so fucking hot.

Oh my God, he's so hot. He's so hot and he's so good. Just a cute face. He's in a cute little tight little body and also he's such a hot he's so hot and he's so good just a cute face he's and a cute little tight little body and also he's such a good

Spider-Man very good Spider-Man like they really figured it out with him and he's and he does not strain for the American accent

no he just does it yeah he just does it and you're like yeah he's the boy from Queens I love that just a boy from Queens

just a boy from Queens he's doing the nanny reboot Marissa Tomei is my fucking hot aunt I actually have not seen a single one of those movies again because he's so hot I don't want to watch it I hear you on that

Spider-Man Homecoming is a great movie and that's all about a homecoming dance it leads up to a homecoming dance but it's real good the twists baby are very good. There are twists galore. Okay. And it also really works as a weird high school movie and also a superhero movie.

Yeah. You know what I mean? It pulls it off in a really good way. I think we're the only three gay men sitting around a table discussing Spider-Man Homecoming right now. I think that there actually is a whisper network of gay nerds who have seen the movie and we'll talk about it oh but they i bet i mean joel kim booster is literally jacking off right now i think at home listening to this oh is he a big comic book comic book movies what did i say with him we went to go see he and i went to go see justice league together i don't

know what any of that means it's the it's the it's the fucking marvel avengers but with batman in those days oh go away yeah go i don't want that you actually don't think you want it i mean the movie was like a perfect five out of ten but i'll tell you who is also good in that is ezra miller as the oh speaking of cute twinks speaking of cute by twinks i know he's real sexy again someone i get i get very jealous of but again like again no crossover whatsoever but i just i think ultimately the jealousy also comes from like i want to like have sex with this person absolutely that is okay maybe that's the root of what it is bo this is yes we've gotten to the but thank you jeffrey we've gotten to the bottom of this is conflating

feelings of jealousy with feelings of attraction yeah wanting to fuck what you want to be. Yes! And that's why social media makes it all so much worse. Right. Have you guys, social media these days and the devices?

And the devices, oh my God. Unfortunately, yeah. How do you navigate? How do you do it? How do you do it? I truly, I wish I had the answer, babe.

I'm a slave to the to the stuff are you i'm off of twitter now i yes really well i don't i don't like i didn't like get rid of my profile um but i don't i got off got off my phone i got it off my computer uh i got you doing fully deleted all facebook like oh forget that that was in like a manic moment and i was just like i'm getting rid of it it was like don't you want to download these like 12 years of history you have on here and i was like no no get rid of fully downloaded it no I'm like why didn't I download that stuff that would have taken five minutes but oh well um well you can activate it again yeah and then again in a manic episode I deleted my Twitter profile but

then again the next day was like okay well that was crazy right so reactivated but deleted the app um and it's great I love not being on Twitter. It's so fucking nice. And I'm on Instagram but I try to go three weeks and then I delete it off my phone for two weeks and then I redownload it. Love that. I do Twitter and Instagram, not Facebook. But then for you to have gone through this clean break, I don't think it's necessarily like i'm sure like you were in a manic episode but oh honey yeah but like oh honey but i i feel like there was just

this collective culture sure like of like okay enough yeah yeah enough enough yeah i mean i don't really i realized like i don't really know what i do on twitter anymore i was like what am i doing to this conversation what am i adding i try to just make sure that it always stays light and like a funny little comment about whatever trending story is happening. I do like it as like a little joke machine, I guess. But I certainly don't want to get earnest on it. Sure. And how often are you on Instagram? Instagram is my drug of choice.

Like every, like how many times a day do you think? I mean, we see each other on there. I mean, like it seems like your drug of choice too. Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, there's a lot of drugs of choice. Like every, like how, like how many times a day do you think? I mean, we see each other on there. I mean, like it seems like you're a drug of choice too. Oh yeah. Well, I mean,

there's a lot of drugs of choice, but yeah, but the Instagram is one of them, sure. We can find out on iPhones now you can do screen time

where it just tells you. Really? I'm so scared of this. Let me just see. Let me just see. Instagram is the one and I actually like, because I enjoy

putting the stories together. I like posting the little, I like posting pictures. I like how it's visual. I fucking love the Q&A. I hate to say it. You know what? I like the Q&A too.

And I have shame about it every time I do it. I'm like, this is so self-indulgent. I'm so stupid, but it's so fun. It's so fun. It's not that self-indulgent because they have just democratized this for everyone to be able to do this. That's true. And so it's just, it's so fun. It's so fun. It's not that self-indulgent because they have just democratized this

for everyone to be able to do this. That's true. And so it's just, it's for everyone. But there are every so often someone you follow does it and you're like, why would anyone want to ask a question?

Well, you know what it is? It's like when someone does 50 in a row and especially when they set the thing of like, ask me about this thing and this thing is not something you're interested in. It's like, well, I don't care about this now now um okay so my daily average over the last seven days on instagram an hour and 55 minutes two hours on instagram a day a day oh that's not as bad as i thought you were gonna say um a day um a day and on tuesday this tuesday i was on it for three hours

what is what happened on tuesday i'm not sure the dm The DMV, honey. Wait, how do you find this out? You needed to have the newest iOS. Oh, good thing I'm poor. It's free. I just want people to know that it's fine. I don't find that... No, I don't think that's fine. I looked over at Emma, producer Emma,

and she kind of raised her eyebrows. Producer Emma raised her eyebrows. You think it's a lot? Well, I think it's a lot. Two hours out of the 24 of the day, honey, that's one twelfth of your day was spent looking at an app. And, honey, that's not a bad fraction. Don't fraction shame me. Because that's like it's added together, right? Yes.

Total dot. I bet yours is more. Oh, mine is definitely more. I feel like you post more. I post. I have been moved to post. So Jeffrey, as someone who was very much mired

in the social media thing of it, where you were just like, oh, I will have a show that lives on social media. On the face. Oh, the Facebook Live thing. That was ultimately just because I had literally nothing else going on. And Facebook Live was a new option. I thought it was so cool. ultimately just because like i had literally nothing else going on um and was you know facebook

live was a new i love that show i thought it was so cool it was so fun it was so fun we i love doing it with a brendan skinnell who we all love uh but it was you know it was just like a lot of fucking work and like you know again you're like i'm just screaming into the ether and is anyone hearing this there you go you had such good guests too, too. Yeah, we had really good. We had Selma Blair, icon, icon. Oh, my God. I'm a true icon. Who plays Brendan Scannell's mom on the Heathers reboot. Have you watched it yet?

It's great. I'm planning to binge it all at once. It's so good. By the time this episode comes out, I will have watched it. It's so, so, so good. It's on like night three right now. And then the boy who plays the lead, like the hot jock boy is so cute. James Scully. It's on like night three right now. And then the boy who plays the lead, like the hot jock boy is so cute.

James Scully. He's a friend of mine as well. I need that. He's very cute. I need more hot boys. I don't know how he identifies. See, now I'm just jealous of anybody. It doesn't matter. No, don't give in.

He's good on the show. No, yeah, it's really, really good. Love that. I can't wait. I was excited about it when it was first announced and it was crushed when I heard that it wasn't going to be coming out and I'm very excited. Well the whole thing

is dumb because it's like first of all what did you think you were getting when you ordered Heathers? Heathers is about what it's about and if you didn't want that then don't order that and also I'm sorry but it wasn't like there hadn't been school strategy shootings prior to the order of that show. And meanwhile like USA is

literally making a TV show of The Purge you know it's so I also think it's a complete misunderstanding of the tone of the original film which is deeply black comedy and satirical and I think it's like that's what this was going to be and very stylized very stylized and it's like

you can't just and this is a thing I think that we all have to kind of come around to or like start talking about more is it's like when it comes to art, it's like think about it. It might actually have a comment on this thing. Right. If you let it. If you actually let it do that, yeah. I love just talking about art with you.

It's been the highlight of my – Art on the Paramount Network is my favorite thing to talk about. Art on the Paramount Network. Ooh, what else is there, baby? So much. We on the Paramount Network is my favorite thing. Art on the Paramount Network. Ooh, what else is there, baby? So much. We love the Paramount Network. Oh, yeah, obviously. Wait.

So many things on it. Anything you can... Before we get into more central questions of the show, our show, anything you can tell us about Search Party this season? Or no? We all know there's going to be a wedding. I think everybody knows there's going to be a very,

very, very big wedding. going to be a wedding. I think everybody knows there's going to be a very, very, very big wedding. Like, a big wedding. With two iconic wedding planners, Drew Droege and Sam Pankey. Yes. Some photos. It looks amazing. And there are some other really, really iconic gay people in it. I think you're allowed to know.

Yeah, you know that Cole Scola is in the wedding episode. Cole Scola is in the wedding episode. I think perhaps, perchance, Jill Kim Booster might be in the wedding episode. I believe he is. It's Sabrina Jalise

wrote the wedding episode. She wrote that episode? Iconic gay wedding episode. And she's going to be in it. Yes. Everyone's fave. I thought Sabrina was writing for Surge Party.

Yeah, she wrote on it this season. Yeah. Yeah, it's very fun So it's a really really big wedding episode And Yeah I don't know how much more I'm allowed to say Okay but that's good enough And you guys have the fourth episode

Louis Anderson's in this season Yes I met him the other day He's the lawyer He's Drew's lawyer And Michaela Watkins is on it this season Oh yeah I did see. Love it. And Michaela Watkins is on it this season. Michaela Watkins! Oh, yeah, I did see that they were posting that Michaela Watkins was on it. She's amazing.

She's so good. What a good fucking show. And you're in episode four, you said? I have a tiny little part in episode four, and we'll take this out if they end up cutting it, because it's one of those things that could get cut. I don't think it'll get cut. No. After some of the things you were saying off mic About the show and how the process was

I think that I can report back that My relationship with Charles Rodgers And Jay Duplass director was really positive Did Jay Duplass direct that episode? He's so sexy He's so fucking hot And I have to tell you

You fucked him I fucked But it was weird because like it's weird because I've always thought he was so sexy yeah it's so weird

and then seeing him in person it's so weird such a weirdo when I saw him in person I was like this holds up this yeah I mean

yeah what did you think you were going to see him in person excuse me don't erase name one person who you think is really hot and then you see them in person and they weren't. Like a celebrity.

Because you've seen J. DePaul in many incarnations. He's just aggressively sexy. He's unassumingly sexy. You know who's fucking hot in person? Who? Who's also so hot on screen? Justin Theroux.

I saw him in Central Park watching the Square Park the other day Who? Who's also so hot on screen. Justin Theroux. Remember when we met him? I saw him in Central Park. Or not Central Park. Watching the Square Park the other day walking his dog. So insanely sexy. And his eyes. He's a genuinely nice person. And his eyes, when he smiles, his eyes twinkle.

Yeah, but you guys are just describing hot people. Just in general. Why don't you just go? Who also happen to be hot in person J Duplass is not what did you say he was unassumingly hot in person he was unassumingly hot he fucks a pop star on Transparent

that's true you guys are so stupid we are really dumb I'm just saying are you both single yes I'm very single. Are you both dating? Yeah, and oh my god, you want to know something? I got dumped

for something that wasn't that serious, but it just was drawn out for six months. Yeah. But then I realized longest relationship. Just in terms of length alone. It wasn't like the deepest one. Yeah. It wasn't like... It just, it was because it was, it remained kind of casual.

Totally. Yeah. Exactly. And you know how Suity. Okay. So we just, listeners know we tripped on acid upstate recently. First time. First time for me.

My second time. It was my first time. Did you love? I had a really good time. I wrote down a lot of lessons. Good. You've done it? I do.

I love the LSD. Love the LSD. good um have you done you've done it i do i love the lsd love the lsd most recently uh jordan firstman and myself and brian sophie were um that sounds like a good crew tripped on lsd at the san diego zoo oh that must have been amazing for memorial day but that seems almost dangerous because that's amazing because with lsd it's like in this sort of group mindy setting like all it takes is for one person to be like let's climb over the let's go say hi to that tiger yeah yeah everyone else be like yeah let's do it you know like

but I mean we were the three of us were all standing on the on like our deck and we were like the thing is we're all here and we all know that we all want to jump off this deck but we also know we shouldn't yeah we were micro dosing first of all gorgeous and second of all we just we were in a very, it was a very positive, like.

Loving. Yeah, and I think we were all very hyper-aware of the fact that we were at a very crowded zoo surrounded by children. So we weren't, we didn't get too out of control. But I, so you had a lovely LSD upstate experience. We were with close friends and it was good and it was healing. And it was healing and it was healing but then sudi said something where she was like you know like it's all behind us now our first our first uh jobs our first loves our first and i was like oh not not for some people and i was like yeah and then i talked about this in therapy unpacked it i was like oh yeah like the

like me breaking up with this dude was like sort of like not the most meaningful but the longest and that's like kind of sad did you break up with the dudes no he broke up with this dude was like, sort of like, not the most meaningful, but the longest. And that's like kind of sad. Did you break up with a dude? No, he broke up with me. Yeah, whatever. It's not sad.

It's not sad. No, because it's, the reason you say it's sad is because you're trying to compare it to like what society says should have happened. How old are you? 27. Yeah.

I mean, for fuck's sake, don't do this. I know we're going gonna do this because you're the one being ridiculous i mean i will say also when i lived in new york city i never dated really i mean like i had obviously like a lot of like random anonymous sex or like fuck buddies or whatever sure but i never had i'd never had a boyfriend in the entire time i lived here and then the minute i moved to la i was like boyfriend crazy how did you meet augustus uh i met

augustus at a brunch and we hooked up in the bathroom. Love that. Yeah. It's very, I feel like that's from something. Well, that, to me,

the fact that the attraction like superseded the fact that there was a brunch happening and it was the day and society says, no, this shouldn't happen. That's real attraction.

The night before had been at the same party. We were both at a 4th of July party at Roland Emmerich's house like a big party but we didn't meet there and we both hooked up with other people at that and then we were all like a little hangover brunch the next day jordan firstman and i went and uh we uh the augie was there he was super cute and uh we we uh hooked up you did and i think uh

i think i'm allowed to say this but that that Jordan was also involved in the hookup. Wow, I love that. That's beautiful. And so Jordan and I both were like, he's super cute. And Jordan won't admit this, but he did say, he was like, game on.

Oh my God. May the best man win. No, no, no, no. This was before that. I'm going to reveal something right now because I'm feeling frisky as well. The first night I ever found, we found out that Henry Kapurski had broken up with his boyfriend. And I turned to Joel and Joel said to me, if you don't go for it, I will.

And I did. Oh my God. Henry is who plays piano, right? Yes, yes, yes. You've met Henry. Yes, yes, yes. And you did go for it. And it was on from that night on.

And how long were you guys together? Two years plus. And are you still close? Yes. We're doing fine, I would say. They're working together on stuff. We're working together on stuff and we work together and we've been closer than we are right now.

But I think it's just because our relationship kind of ended and then sort of continued in a way where it's like, we're not really letting go. So I think we're in the like letting go place right now. So we're a little bit more estranged than we have ever been. Has one of you had a boyfriend like since? He is in a relationship. I don't know what he wants me to say,

but I know what I will say, which is that he is dating someone else and I didn't know the person very well. And so that's tough. Yeah. And I think that's understandably hard for everyone. Yeah. And that sort of complicates the whole thing.

And was that your first like real breakup? Yeah, it was my first relationship, my first breakup. And I think that it was his third. Okay. So it was like hard for me in a way that maybe wasn't, not to say that it wasn't hard for him, but it was just like, you know, that complicated thing. Of course.

This is my first time understanding what it's like. Because whenever my friends had broken up with someone, I had always been like, oh my God, get over it. Like bounce back. And now it's like realizing it's like a grief period. Yeah. I had a tear. My first breakup was really epic and awful. And I don't know if you followed me then, but I live tweeted the whole thing and was very public about it.

This was with the ex-boyfriend who was on the reality show about Fire Island. Yes, yes, yes. Wow, yes. I do remember this. And then Jeffrey is also a Vulture recapper. And it was gorgeous. The Fire Island show, yeah.

It was so compelling to read. That's so amazing. Yeah, it was in retrospect. When I had the breakup, this would have been like, who knows, like 10 maybe? Yeah. Those recaps were art.

They were art. I love talking about art with you. The breakup online was like so humiliating. I think it's taken me like five years to like recover my brand. How long ago was this? This was... Five years ago? Six. I think six

years ago. Yeah. But then I had the boyfriend after him. I was dating when I met Augustus. Oh, interesting. But it was a long distance thing. That was with Australian comedian Joel Creasy. I don't know if you guys know him. I'm familiar. He might have been at JFL. Might have been at JFL with us. JFL.

But I met him in Australia when Cole and I were there doing a gig years before years ago and came back

and was like for some reason decided because I'm so codependent and had like a good date with this person was like

oh we're gonna be boyfriends long distance from Australia to Los Angeles and managed to do it for a year that's great but then he was

coming to visit and I met Augustus like two weeks before and then I tried to do it for a year. That's great. But then he was coming to visit and I met Augustus like two weeks before. And then I tried to like keep it going and I didn't want to break up with him. And I was like too embarrassed and too nervous. So I had him still fly to L.A. And then in my sleep, started talking about Augustus. And he woke up the next morning. That's so.

And was like, what? Who's Augustus? I'm sorry. I don't mean to romanticize this. It was kind of magical. It feels like a fucking Sex and the City story. Oh, yes, it does. And then get this shit. So crazy. So then Augie and I, we get married and then we're on our honeymoon in Mexico this summer and we're on a beach in Sayulita, which is a beautiful little place.

It's also, we went there because Sabrina Jalif suggested it. It's where they met the donor, the sperm donor of their adorable baby, Wolfie. I don't know if you follow his adorableness. Anyway, so we went there. Amazing place. You highly recommend it.

We're sitting on this little beach that we found that we like hiked over to. We've met these two groovy Australians. We're all sharing a joint and then it's like, okay um we're all sharing a joint and then it's like okay we're all gonna read and then she pulls out my ex-boyfriend's newly released memoir with a chapter about me dumping him for augustus oh shit so like on this tiny tiny beach in mexico someone has come from a from australia with an australian published book with a full like six pages that i i read before to make sure like he

would very nice and ask that was nice um yeah yeah sure um and i was oh also i was supposed to help him fucking ghost write the book um before we broke up so everything about it was so crazy and so then he uh she's she's reading the she was she's reading the book and i was like you know that you're about to get to a chapter about how i'm a horrible person but in the end you'll see how we meet my husband and i and it was a beautiful thing isn't that bizarre that's insane so fucked it's so fucked up how like every, the world is too small. Oh, too small.

Too small. Too small. I mean, but I mean, but aren't we sort of like, didn't we sort of ask for this in a way where it's like, we've, we've,

we've wanted to make ourselves visible. And so when, when we do have these moments where our personal lives are sort of like thrown back at us, like from. It is interesting. Cause it's like, I mean, – I mean I'm not someone who's ever wanted attention. I've never done anything to try to seek attention by any means whatsoever. Totally. Very private.

No, but like yeah, it's like when you're like trying to like make it and make it – you know, make yourself like a famous person doing what you do. You – then when you all of a sudden like actually someone actually gives a shit about your personal life you get really weirded out you're i mean so imagine being like super duper famous like imagine being like jennifer aniston or something oh i mean we don't have to worry about that at least i don't i mean you never know i'll never i will never you don't know never. You don't know that, though. Cohen, you don't know that. But the thing is, like. You, like, you in a remake of In Her Shoes.

I think you're going to be in a remake of In Her Shoes. Oh, my God, and Toni Collette does a little cameo. I think, actually, we should do a remake of In Her Shoes. And you should play Toni, and I'm Cameron. Wait, is In Her Shoes, is even Aniston in that? No, she's not. Oh, no, I'm thinking of Rumor Has It. Rumor Has It, The Graduate.

The Graduate, yeah, yeah, yeah. Rumor Has It is a crazy movie how did it get made I'm sure it's been on how did it get made Jordan and I watched it once and every other line was somehow something about how amazing Pasadena is literally it would be like

blah blah blah blah blah blah but there's nothing like Pasadena like every other line in the whole movie how long have you and Jordan been friends? Are you guys best friends forever? We are really, I would consider him one of my besties. He and I became friends probably only like four or five years ago. Oh.

Yeah. I love that. It feels like a decade and a half. Yeah. I'm really. No, no. We like met and clicked really quickly. Yeah.

So brilliant. We're going over to, he's coming with Augie and I in Charles to the UK for the holidays. Love that. I love that for you. Fabulous. Where in the UK? Going to be some good content.

Very good. Augie's from London and we're going to go to London for a few days but his parents recently retired and moved to the countryside. Oh, I love that for them. So we're going to Wilkshire.

Wilkshire. Wilkshire. I have to say, I think that that sounds like a very good vibe. You, Jordan, and Brian all doing acid together I don't know Brian well I've met Brian

once but I feel like we met him at JFL we met him at JFL and I like him oh he's one of the greatest yeah everything I've heard about from him about people that work with him and like he's a genuinely like good person he doesn't have like a like bitchy mean spirited side

like I do or like so many people I'm friends with do. He has a warm energy. He has a very, very warm energy. We were nervous to introduce ourselves to the MJFL. He, Aaron, and us had a shirt dressing room. We were all in the same dressing room, and it was like this moment of like two and a half minutes went by where no one said anything, and we were like,

hi, all at the same time. They were so sweet. They were so nice so great did you read Aaron's book I want to so bad I have not read it yet so good

it just came out yeah it came out like about like a month ago the cover's amazing I listened to the audio book and I cannot recommend it enough okay I'm gonna do the audio because I wanna hear her read it

it's she's great and also Guy Branum's audio book was amazing I love you listen to it read the book read the book devoured it the audio book was

I mean the book as well it's so good i think that there's something to that and also maybe they're just they feel like totally different experiences like i remember like um reading bossy pants like obsessively when it first came out and then like hearing her perform the book yeah it was just like oh this is i love an audio book love an audio book wait but speaking of which okay so so you just being on the speech finding out that this whole chapter is about you is so trippy and insane that's insane

does this go in your book you have to write a certain memoir I want to write like a essays book but like it's harder to do that like the YA books

are easy like more easy to sell for some reason oh to sell but to write yeah to write I feel like I could

but I'm so lazy that again it's like not lazy you've published two books but only because i got paid to do it like without getting i have a hard time writing things on spec okay but i mean i hear you it's a memoir is a memoir yeah i guess you can you know what i mean but i mean you're a proven quantity as an as a writer because you've been you're

a published author that's true yeah i think i will do that at some point oh my god please um i would definitely like to do all our sakes um but uh but yeah it's hard to like actually motivate yourself to do it when you're like will i even sell this though but you but there just has to has to be a chapter on that isn't that yes absolutely crazy that's so crazy it was the strangest strangest thing oh my god yeah that's not that sounds like a real moment yeah it's like i wouldn't know how to explain it in my head as she pulled the book out of my bag i was like no way oh my god no and then we had and then the couple and my husband and i we all fucked right on the

beach no just wait i literally i was like i'd be like cool i was like amazing how beautiful that's art that That's art. I love talking about art with you guys. Love talking about art. Speaking of art. Welcome back to Art Chat. Art Chat? Art Chat is the title of that.

Yes. Speaking of art, go ahead, Beau, and ask the question. Jeffrey, okay, we asked this question to all of our guests. What is the culture growing up that made you say culture is for me? Matt, can you explain the question? Yeah, so this is like a piece of pop culture whether it be a film uh musical artist something that you experience in the pop culture lexicon that like you feel when you look back you're like yeah that set me on a course or defined me in a way okay i would probably say can i say two things yeah you can absolutely say

three you could say four there's no fucking rules here number one death becomes her oh very like i think like the death becomes her like a dark comedy um you know incredible female Number one, Death Becomes Her. Oh. Very fierce. I think the Death Becomes Her, like a dark comedy, you know, incredible female, strong performances, just the entire aesthetic of like the LA of it all, the Hollywood of it all,

the New York musical theater of it all. Elements of competition too, I think is big for games. Elements of competitive, yes. I mean, we all have our own Madeline Ashton. Yes. That was very, very interesting. That's the culture for me.

And then the Rosie O'Donnell show. Oh! Absolutely. Yeah. The Rosie O'Donnell show was bigger for all of us than we can even realize. Because it actually introduced us to so much that just flew over our head. 100%. And it was so inherently gay without being gay like

yes it really was it captured like the city i i wanted to move to in the world i wanted to be in without even really knowing it i rosie o'donnell for me is like i don't know if we've ever talked about this i'm i'm obsessed with nothing more than that like yeah than her rosie o'donnell is my number one obsession i love that anything else if if her? Rosie O'Donnell is my number one obsession. I love that. Rosie's amazing. Above anything else. If her name, no matter what it is,

if she's involved, if it's an article, a movie, an episode, whatever, I have both Christmas albums. I will do anything. My favorite show is The View.

Sure. I've heard of it. And when Rosie peeks into The View, because every 10 years, she's like a star of The View. Oh, yeah. It's never better than when she's on it. Oh, fuck.

Literally. People don't understand that even the negative aspects of The View, you need that. Oh, yes. Rosie on The View is unprecedented television. Unprecedented. You know, she co-filled in or whatever for Julie Chen the other day on The Talk. Oh, my God. How did I miss that?

Well, it was that period when, I think it was right after Julie Chen had officially day on the talk. Oh, really? How did I miss that? It was that period when, I think it was right after Julie Chen had officially left the talk. They were bringing in all the different co-hosts or whatever, but it was the day of the Kavanaugh hearing. Beautiful TV that probably was. No one got to see it,

which I think says a lot. Oh, because it got swallowed up by that. Yeah, it certainly does say a lot didn't air she's always been right about everything look back yes I agree

and she's always always always just like been like unapologetically flawed

and like broken yes and I love that but the thing about the Rosie O'Donnell show being this very queer thing that a lot of people don't give it credit for is huge.

Because think about like fucking even having Sutton Foster on doing Gimme Gimme. She explains musical theater all the time. She had John Cameron Mitchell on promoting Headbanging the Angry Inns off Broadway. And like you can find the clip on YouTube. It's fascinating. And she's like explaining the show. And she's not even out at this point. She's explaining the show to this very, very mainstream America audience.

And they laugh at some point about the description of the show. And she stops and is like, open your minds, for God's sake. This is a piece of art. But it's so interesting to watch. There are so many moments like that. With Sandra Bernhardt, with all of her. LaChanze was on that show singing Waiting for Life to Begin, an iconic artist. She would have people on also that were doing shows at the duplex.

No joke. Wow. And be like, okay, this woman's doing an Ethel Merman tribute show at the duplex tonight go see it and then like on the most that was the biggest show on daytime crazy and yeah fucking Sandra even was she doing like Ars Nova shit at the time yeah it was like

post Sandra being like you know the big Letterman guest it was like her career like dipped down a bit and like but it was all those kind of people that people that she'd have on were the first time I ever experienced any of those people. And also, Rosie, what I love about Rosie is she loved the stuff she loved.

You know what I mean? No one loves anything more than she. Unapologetic. When she discovered Harry Potter, basic as it was, she was fucking in for it. She loved it. Survivor.

Survivor. The episode when J.K. Rowling came on, Rosie O'Donnell, that was huge. And I'll never forget when she started weeping, even before Barbara. Barbara. Oh. The Barbara episode. I just want to say that when you're walking through that curtain, it's like my own mother. It's the most beautiful thing.

So emotional. All those clips are online. You should watch the whole thing. Why don't they? I don't know why they don't just put the whole thing like out that you could buy. The same with Oprah. Like on iTunes. It should be available.

It's a cry in shame. It should be. There's a great DVD, though, of the Rosie O'Donnell show season one, Rosie Looking Back. And it's basically all the best clips of season one. And it's like rosy and like sweats and like uh barefoot sitting in like an armchair cross legs um like watching the clips and like giving you like backstage behind the scenes kind of like uh descriptions of what happened and stories and she's taking it really seriously she's really earnest and it's great

oh my god it's so crazy i think the I think it's actually pretty similar to Hillary. Honestly, the way the public feels about Rosie, I think because she's been so tainted by the, I mean, my mother, my own mother even said like before, before we all kind of woke up like about six or seven years ago,

I'll never forget. My mom said like, I love Rosie, but I don't know. She seems really opinionated lately. And it's this thing that seeps into the public consciousness that women aren't supposed to speak out aren't supposed to have strong opinions and when she had a strong like liberal opinion yes it turned people off

especially someone who was beloved by mainstream media and not only that but like I think news organizations and like uh you know like networks they get angry at you when you are divisive or opinionated because you don't appeal to everyone and their reading ratings get bad and so she was totally thrown under the bus yeah and she and she turned down like an insane amount of money and i think it really pissed because they wanted her to keep doing that show yeah she only did like four or five seasons right right and then they offered her i think like a hundred million dollars to do two more seasons. And she was like, I don't need, like, I already have so much money.

I've just made so much money. I'm not doing it. And I think like within that world of like the corporate old men who run everything, like they were really, I think that like was such a slap in the face to everything that they think matters. She, yeah, she's fascinating. If you've never read either of her books find me or celebrity detox find me is this amazing book that was during the rosie o'donnell show where

this woman basically contacted her adoption non-profit age like company yeah uh and was saying she was a pregnant teen and needed help and da da da and then basically rosie got very involved in trying to help this kid and it realizes, this isn't a spoiler, this is what the book's about, that the person has multiple personalities and is contacting her as like five, so like five different people she's talking to

are the same person. Is this a real story? Yeah. Wow. And like she got so involved, she like flew this person to New York. I'm assuming they're probably still in touch. It's a beautiful story.

And then the Celebrity Detox book is about when she left The View. And it's about deciding to leave The View. The Hasselbeck shit. Yes. There's no... I mean, the fight between Rosie and Elizabeth on The View,

that's a moment forever. And you can see Rosie. Yes, her eyes. Yes, the split screen. The split screen. And it's just this moment of like it's real pathos and Elizabeth

you can see the moment Elizabeth deciding to be who she is and she had even said Rosie said like you know I took Elizabeth to her first Broadway show I really tried with her and in that moment Elizabeth really threw her under the bus. And when

Rosie said she was cowardly, that came from her soul. You only get that on a show like that. The view, baby. It's the best. But it's not great anymore. I actually think it's having a little bit of a renaissance.

However, I think the fact that things are going so well right now at the show is not necessarily what we need from the show we need conflict on the show we need someone i think they thought so that's megan mccain was going to shake it up more than than she has but the fact of the matter is megan mccain while she's conservative she's also reasonable and she's a friend to many liberal causes. So you're saying they bring on a Tommy Lahren type of person? No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that something – and Abby Huntsman actually is pretty moderate.

Abby is very moderate. I actually don't – I mean I hate Tommy Lahren. It's such a conflicted thing to think like should you give her that platform but there is something about like getting to see Whoopi Goldberg explain how the fuck the world actually works to this idiot on a daily basis and I think what happens is I think the conservative on the show and this is just kind of true they've always been

they've always been kind of an idiot like Hasselbeck she always needed her fucking copious pieces of papers printed out Meghan McCain is just very smart and like Like, Hasselbeck, she always needed her fucking copious pieces of papers printed out. Meghan McCain is just very smart and educated about the kind of things that she is educated about. I think some of her opinions are a little fucked. Oh, of course. But she's also an idiot about the things that she's not read up on.

I would agree. Like, Michelle, a friend of the show, Michelle Collins, will tell you that. Yes. Michelle Collins, what an icon. She's the queen. One of the truest icons of all time. Truest icons was robbed. Michelle Collins will tell you that. Yes. Michelle Collins. What an icon. She's the queen. One of the truest icons of all time. Truest icons was robbed.

And also this campaign of her taking Megyn Kelly's slot is fucking real. Please make it happen. Well, there's no bigger idiot than Megyn Kelly. Because the thing about Megyn Kelly is she's not even smart enough to be aware of the fact that she is a racist. So it's like, you are a racist. You know what? Queen, you are a racist. Queen, you're a racist. You know what? Queen, you are a racist. Queen, you're a racist. You happened.

She is very good at what she does. She's had the history of all this. She's a very good Fox News interrogative prosecutorial reporter. She was very good at remaining calm while stirring the pot on her guests and getting them upset and being like, well, you look ridiculous. Bye. She's very good at Fox News type journalism, but she is the opposite of warm.

The idea that she was ever going to succeed in a morning show capacity is ridiculous. It's so crazy. And did they shorten Kathie Lee and Hoda for her or was that a different slot? It was a different slot. But I can't believe that the Today Show

would be so dumb as to give an entire hour to her. I think NBC News is... Someone needs to be fired over that. But she's officially out, right? It's officially canceled. And she will have a different role. She's being bought out. No, she's being bought out.

By all of NBC. It's unconfirmed. Well, we should say this is going to come out later. As of this moment in time, it's unconfirmed what's going to happen to her. The latest report from NBC News is that she is still currently

an employee of NBC News, but there are obviously lots of leaks and discussions about how she's being bought out of this $70 million contract. Yeah, her deal was so fucking crazy. It was huge, and I'm like, what exactly?

Rosie turned down $100. Rosie turned down $100 like, what exactly? Rosie turned down $100. Rosie turned down $100, y'all. Rosie turned down $100. It's just like, I don't know. I don't know, guys. I stopped trusting Megyn Kelly when she said Jesus was white and Santa was white. Idiot. It's like, what did you think you were getting?

And the delivery of the Santa one especially is just so funny. She's just so like. But kids, Santa just is white. It's like, what are you doing? Also bitch, what kids are watching your show? What kids are up?

What kids? It's just so crazy. Megan is the anti-Rosie, truly. More so than Elizabeth Hassellack. I mean, it's just such a shame we don't have like, I want a Rosie like MSNBC late,

like nighttime show right now. There was, I think I read somewhere that there had been talk of that at one point, but like, well, her health isn't good. Well, I think she's because she had that heart attack.

She, I think is like, I can't bring myself to get so stressed out. That's why she left the view. She came out to the view and she did one year and she was like, I actually have realized that this is a stressful show. Good for her. And it wasn't a full year.

I think she left by Christmas. And you know what? We can't ask that much of her. But she's engaged. Good. Again. She's getting married again. Love it.

Third wife? Really? I think fourth, maybe? No, third. You're right. Third. Yes. There was Kelly.

And then Michelle. Kelly and Michelle where's her Beyonce honey she is her Beyonce her new wife is like a really gorgeous police officer in Boston they've all been beautiful oh my god a Boston police

I also think people get weirded out by Rosie because she's a woman with masculine like like energy yeah yeah yeah And I think like that I think is what really pisses Donald Trump off about her is that like he sees parts of like She's an unapologetic lesbian.

Yeah, but he wants that kind of strength and power and he can't have it. Rosie has BDE. I hate that because he's president and has done this thing in America that there's like 50% of this nation that fucking hates her. It's so unfair. What that must be like to be her right now and be like my bully, my biggest bully in the world is the president.

So crazy. It's something I think he is obviously very offended by powerful women who he's never going to fuck. Yes. Well, that's the thing. He has no use for her because I believe that if, well this would never happen, but I would be

thrilled by nothing more than if Rosie and Donald Trump, I mean that debate would be... I thought you said they ever had sex. I would not be thrilled. No, I would be deeply upset. You would be so thrilled. I would be deeply upset.

It would never happen. I was thinking about 2020 the other day, and I was just like, God, what do we have? And then I was thinking, of course, what the natural thing would be to want to put a woman up there to show him what the fuck is really what in a way that Hillary never could just because there was so much public decisions already being made about Hillary and she could never get out from under that. But I was also like, you know, I don't know. Part of me feels like we do need to put someone on his level up there. And that's why I was entertained by the Oprah thing.

Yeah, I was entertained by that. That's officially not happening though, right? No, no, no. We don't know. She has said no and you have to believe. When she says no, I do believe Oprah means no. She's starting she has said no. And you have to believe when she says, no, I do believe Oprah means no. She's starting the book club again.

That's all I'm going to say. Really? Yeah. She said she was, she, I think she's, she alluded to that. She was like,

Oh, if Reese Witherspoon's doing it, I better start doing it again. What is, and I love that John is taking Reese to task on this voting stuff. What? That Reese has not, has only done like a basic get out the vote thing and not,

has not fully done the Taylor Swift thing. John who? John Early. Oh, really? I didn't see this. He's been tweeting at Reese Witherspoon being like, hey, can you actually speak out against Marsha Blackburn and can you actually endorse the Democratic candidate in Tennessee instead of just doing like fucking milquetoast get out the vote shit? Oh, I haven't seen that. Again, no

Twitter. No Twitter. But I'm a stranger to all of your opinions there you go I mean I think um what if you came on the show and it was like a conservative podcast I honestly I would be very excited you would be great it would be it would just be really interesting it would just be

so it would make you guys like even more interesting like it would just be like what we need to be as conservative what are these guys all about what are you guys after oh my god somewhere out there like that was we don't know about there's a gay vert there's a gay version of also us but they're conservative i would love to watch i would watch a scripted show about you guys playing like a conservative like podcast somebody needs to write it someone someone write it for us we're not somebody out

there i'm not writing anything on spec. I've established that. As we've said. And look, and if you hire Jeffrey to ghostwrite something for you, then you'll date and break up. I'm so sorry.

Oh my God. Isn't that just great? I mean, it is like a great, it's a great story. It's such a good story. I can't believe that. It's just, it's the perfect. It's a great story. It's such a good story. I can't believe that. It's the perfect kind of narrative.

And especially after I was so horrifying and humiliating to my ex-boyfriend when we broke up when I was 25. It's just the perfect payback. No. You think it was payback? I think there was definitely some karma to it for sure because i mean like when i was broke up with my first ex-boyfriend i was so like unhinged on the internet to him and to his the guy he started dating right after me i was so horrible i think i still can't view his Instagram. I think he somehow blocked like my IP from my phone. I can't,

I can't like to look. That's Chris Salvatore. Do you know who he is? I don't want to see it. The thing is, I, when you were sort of narrating all this, I did not care for him.

Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. This, look,

this was like a time where basically it was like my first boyfriend and it was like the, the ex-boyfriend who, it was like the, the first time like a hot like guy who looked like from like a Sean Cody video ever paid attention to me. And I was like the ex-boyfriend it was like the first time like a hot like guy who looked like from like a Sean Cody video ever paid attention to me and I was like so excited by that that like

you know Dawson from the old Sean Cody videos do you remember him? Dawson was Corbin Fisher Corbin Fisher yeah Dawson and Lucas I don't know one of the greatest videos of all time. Remember they did a whole fucking Czechoslovakia trip. They did a whole Europe trip and they just fucked in different hotels.

Yes. And it felt like one of them had decided to date me. And so I had a very meltdown. And then when we broke up, he dated someone who was also, you know, again, like a very hot, like Corbin Fisher-y looking person. And then I just couldn't handle it because all my greatest fears were personified. And so then a 25 year old lost his mind. So I think the karma of that.

A 25 year old lost his mind. That's the title of the essay in the book. But I think the karma of that led to me having a chapter written about me in Joel's book. But there you go. I mean, you survived all of it. I've survived it. And you've come out the other side.

And isn't it so funny that like you were, again, fully mired in this social, this performative. Yes. On display. Perform've survived it. Isn't it so funny that you were again, fully mired in this performative, on display social media. Yes. And now it's like, we are sort of in this weird post state that I never thought we would get to ever. Yeah. This is here to stay. This is how we're going to be living our lives. It doesn't feel like it

is here to stay, does it? It feels like it's sort of starting to break down a little bit. There's an element to it that will always be here but that really performative, like 2007. Yeah. This is 2012. This would have been 2012. Yeah.

But that was the peak of it. Yeah. Yeah. Like that. I feel like that kind of thing is kind of dying down. Yeah. Love it. Just welcome.

Me too. I mean, yes. I have to be honest with you. Since we've been talking about porn, I've been thinking about my porno that i've been watching lately which is who's your do you guys know carter dane and alex meekum of course yeah the video the first video of them um like oh they're they're dating in real life and they're in love in real life that's sweet i don't love that in porn the video the video that they did together you can literally see them fall in love

while they're fucking and I actually kind of love it it's like it's like Rosie and Elizabeth on the view you see the moment where they decide what they're gonna be

wait who is your number who are your porn stars right now Carter Dane is I think the hottest person in the world although I do think I'm a big

Ricky Roman is I like Ricky Roman I'm a big Levi Carter fan oh I know Levi Levi Carter is a little small for me oh see I like that I... I like Ricky Roman. I'm a big Levi Carter fan. Oh, I know Levi. Levi Carter is a little small for me. Oh, see, I like that. I like this dude, Robert Axel, but he's sort of fallen off,

but he would do a lot of massage porn stuff. Oh, that's nice. That was like a fun little, like my only little sort of vertically kinky niche. But then... Was massages? It was just massages. I was like, oh, cool, this is fine.

Not kinky at all. Right, like totally vanilla. Have you ever had an erotic massage? Yeah. I love them. You have? You've never done it?

Well, one time it was going in that direction and I think I was like, I don't know. Oh, really? I didn't say no, but I think... Treat yourself, you guys.

It's fine. Had I looked over and made eye contact once, I think it would have happened. It's so sex positive. Hire someone. Hire someone. It's so sex positive. It's great. Masseurfinder and made eye contact once I think it would have happened. It's so sex positive. Hire someone. Hire someone. It's so sex positive.

It's great. Masseurfinder.com is my favorite. We went to the strip club like two weeks ago and I ended up giving $140 to these strippers

and one of them I like really went too far with. Strip club in New York? Joel and I compared notes afterwards and we both were bad boys. You were both very bad.

They both got swindled from these men. Oh you got swindled. these men. Oh, you got swindled. I like that. I just couldn't believe how much money I didn't have that I gave them. Yeah, but I'm a big Darius Ferdinand guy. I love Darius Ferdinand. And he has a boyfriend as well. He's so hot.

Is he boyfriends with Ricky Roman? Wow, that would be the hottest thing ever. Also, to be honest, I gotta say, what's his name who takes pictures at the gay events that we go to? Oh, I know who it is. Tate Hanson. So nice. I, one time, thought I was going to get hooked up with Tate Hanson

because he DM'd me on Twitter. Yeah. Which I was like, all right. Hello. And I actually, because what happened was, a friend of mine had hooked up with him, and I was like, oh, it's not that hard to hook up with Tate Hanson. And so I started following him on Twitter and did the thing where I faved a bunch of shit. Yeah. with him and I was like oh it's not that hard to hook up with Tate Hanson and so I started following him on

Twitter and you know did the thing where I like faved a bunch of shit yeah he slid into the DMs and we made plans to have I was here shooting I think difficult people and he made we made plans to like hook up that or meet up that night for a drink and we were like texting back and forth and I was gonna

meet him at Barracuda because he was judging some sort of like lip syncing content and we meet up when and we're texting and he he's like okay i forget what he said but i was like okay shut up bitch something in text and he like wrote back this long thing that was like please don't refer to me as a bitch that is really hurtful i won't take i won't take verbal abuse but then we still we like then I still went to Barracuda to meet him and then he like sat in front of the stage to judge the lip syncing or drag

or whatever it was and I like sat behind him it was so strange and he didn't speak to me the whole time I was so it was all right well that sounds like he was either going through a tough moment or is fully crazy I think I was going through a tough moment maybe it was. Well, that sounds like he was either going through a tough moment or is fully crazy. I think I was going through a tough moment. Maybe it was dark.

It was dark. Wait, what's the name of the guy who has like a huge ass and a huge dick? Every single person we just know. No, no, no, no. The qualifier. You would know him. You would know him. You would know him.

Anyway, I feel like his name is like Hector or something. Okay. Okay. Anyway, he like hit me up on Grindr one time. He was like, come to my hotel room. And I literally, I chickened out just because I knew the sexual experience would be harrowing. Okay. Okay. Anyway, he like hit me up on Grindr one time. He was like, come to my hotel room and I literally, I chickened out just because I knew

the sexual experience would be harrowing. Harrowing. You didn't do it. No. Yeah, I get it. I love talking about art with you guys.

I love talking about art with you guys. Speaking of art, let's move on to I Don't Think So Honey. Okay. This is our, wow,

it's our classic segment that we have on the podcast. It's really, I mean, it's a classic, you guys. Are you going to be in LA in. It's really, I mean, it's a classic, you guys. Are you going to be in LA in early December? Yeah, I'm in LA for two weeks in December, and then I go to the UK.

Well, I really want you, Joel and I are going to be doing I Don't Think So Honey live out there, and I want you to be on it. Where are you? I'll be working. He's working. So Joel Kim Booster is going to host with me. I guess this is a good time to tell you guys. Get your tickets to I Don't Think So Honey Live at the Bell House on November 30th,

as well as I Don't Think So Honey Live on December 5th at the Regent in downtown Los Angeles. And we're also going to be doing Queers Live at Joe's Pub on November 26th. You won't be here. At Joe's Pub Monday night, we're going to be recreating Adiva's Live, but it's not going to be like we're going to do their songs. We're going to do our own songs. That has me, Bowen Yang, Joel Kim. No, it's not going to be like we're going to do their songs we're going to do our own songs that has me Bowen Yang Joel Kimbo no Joel's not doing it um Josh

Aaron Cole Larry Owen Larry Peter that is a line we're going to be having a really fun time and more to be announced and presenters as well presenters as well non-musical presenters just like Jennifer Aniston presented presenting you guys yes like you know

come out and do a little bit. Absolutely. Present us. I like it a lot. It's so self-indulgent. And it will be to a charity that we have yet to be decided. That we have yet to determine. That is the epitome of self-indulgence. It's truly the question feature on Instagram. I like it.

But in live show form. So I guess it's time for I Don't Think So Honey. I do have one. You have one? Great. This is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So Honey's Time Starts Now. I Don't Think So Honey, this Bohemian Rhaps great this is Matt Rogers I don't think so honey time starts now I don't think so honey this bohemian rhapsody movie

I have not seen it I have seen some of the reviews apparently it's terrible I could have told you that from the fucking god awful trailer I do not think so honey this Bryan Singer garbage bullshit because I'm sorry but why did we give him this movie why if you and also I don't think so honey all these

awards people being like it could we give you nominated for an oscar no it's not here's a reason directed by brian singer yeah no thank you also i don't think so honey again not that this really matters at this point because it's just going to keep happening but rami malek is playing freddie mercury a famously queer person like we couldn't find any queer actor to do this not that i super really care about this because i do always think an actor acts, but the thing is like, guys,

it's Freddie Mercury. Throw us a fucking bone. I have to also say, I don't think so. Honey, the CGI in the trailer that pans out to the crowd, bitch, it sounds like it looks like a million people just copy and pasted.

Like if you're going to have a crowd shot, get a crowd or just cut the crowd shot. I don't think so. Honey, this movie, it looks bad. It probably is bad. I'm not going to see Bohemian Rhapsody. And that's one minute. Amazing. Girl. Yeah, I shot. I don't think so, honey, this movie. It looks bad. It probably is bad. I'm not going to see Bohemian Rhapsody.

And that's one minute. Amazing. Girl. Yeah, I agree. I'm not, no thank you. I'm just a no thank you all around because it's like, and also I didn't even mention this

and this actually was my biggest problem with it, but the trailer tries to insinuate that there's going to be like a heterosexual romance in the movie. Yes, it does. Which is like really inappropriate. It also like I felt like they have him wearing like fake bad teeth. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it's they're almost comical. It's like it's such a strange detail to like really like drive. Nail in. It's even worse than like Nicole Kidman's nose in The Hours. Yeah. Stop. It's weird because it's like we didn't know what virginia wolf's nose looked like so we don't need this and also like if you're gonna fucking highlight something about freddie

mercury maybe the fact that he was queer i don't know maybe not his teeth maybe the fact that he was queer makes him more dynamic did you see the the little clip of him uh in an interview where someone i think it was someone from into um uh the the grinderr magazine, asked him, would you call, just a simple question, like, not even a would you call. Asked to Rami or Bryan Singer? Rami, would you call Freddie Mercury a gay icon? Would you consider him to be a gay icon? Right.

A gay figure. And then Rami just tried to dance around it in some bizarre way. He was like, no, I wouldn't qualify him as anything. And it's just like, wait, what are you doing? I'm sorry, but you're playing Freddie Mercury. That means you've stepped into the gay space. Yes, babe. Regardless of what you think. Totally. And it's like,

what? I mean, are you doing some risk assessment here with saying like, oh, I can't say call him a gay icon. Otherwise people will think I'm gay. It is erasure. And we joke about that a lot on the show, but that's erasure. That really is erasure. And we joke about that a lot on the show, but that's erasure. That really is erasure.

And you can't deny what brought Freddie Mercury into this world, his talent, and also what took him out of this world. And it's Bo and Yang's I Don't Think So Honey time. Wait a minute. And his time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey, this banger-less era we're in with our pop stars

who all just want to deliver you a vibe. Speak. And not actual hooks, bitch. Speak. I love the new Robin. It's amazing. But also, like, this conscious direction that all of our pop songstresses are going in where it's like, okay, we're giving you a mood. We're giving you a vibe.

It's not going to be anything memorable. You can't really bop to it. We're not going to give you bops is truly crazy like it decentralizes this whole thing in music where it's like okay now now now now we have to rely on these like we have to discover a bop through a compatriot like we have to like search for that through other people like that is more work on our part and like we don't have i don't have the emotional labor to do that you know what i'm saying and also this is not to like dictate their careers in any way and their artistic vision is their vision.

But I want a solid Teenage Dream type album, Dangerous Woman type album, where it's like, we haven't had that in a long time. And who will deliver us back into that zone, into that space? I'm so curious to see. And that's one minute. And that's one minute.

I have to say it's like you know they're all deciding at the same time to do this sort of like banger list like sparse minimalist thing where the fuck is the hook wait did you like the Kim Petras Halloween album I loved it

Kim Petras is popping so much right now because she's the only one yes making efforts to give you hooks. Yes. I was not aware of Kim Petras until everybody was posting that album. But then when I heard she did a duet with Elvira, I was very sold. And I'm very into that album. I got my sister and her friends into Kim Petras.

I just did this experiment. It was two months ago. It was the late summer did this experiment like it was like two months ago was like the late summer and like you're like does this I was with them and I was I was we were driving out to we were gonna go to the Montauk lighthouse and I was like or no the Fire Island lighthouse and we were driving and I was like so many lighthouses a lot of lighthouses on Long Island such a real

culture number 40 a lot of lighthouses on Long Island and we were driving out there and I was like let me just slide on heart to break and I put driving out there and I was like, let me just slide on Heart to Break. And I put it on and they kind of like eight out of ten responded. Then I put on

I Don't Want It At All. They were like, what is this? And now they're obsessed with her. Love that. Love that. She's great. Amazing.

But see, she's in a very sparse field and that's why she's successful. So a power position. Power position. A power position. God bless. Okay, Jeffrey Self. It's Jeffrey Self's I Don field. So a power position. Power position. A power position. God bless. Okay, Jeffrey Self.

It's Jeffrey Self's I Don't Think So, Honey. And his time starts now. Okay, I Don't Think So, Honey. Snakes. I am so against snakes. Speak on it. I hate, fucking hate snakes. I think that if you could push like a button

or do something, a chemical in the air that killed all snakes before I hate people who have pet snakes they're disgusting, they're weirdos I don't trust you but really I don't think so honey more than any fucking thing else is those fucking people

who stand on the street with a giant snake with like a twinkle in their eye and you can pay them to take pictures with holding the snake. I don't think so. The snake doesn't want it. I don't want it. The people passing by don't want it. You are a selfish

creep. I saw this happen in Times Square the other day. It was cold. I thought, I don't think so, honey. No, thank you, snakes. And that's one minute. Oh, I love that. That was really good.

And you know what? I don't think so, honey snakes. I fucking hate them. And it's just like, you know, it's like the one animal that I truly think, you know. Why are you here? No, I don't. Anybody who's coming to defend a snake is not

someone i want to have in my space why do we need them we don't need them we do not need them if someone must do something um i'll tell you something if you know snakes means more rodents fine honestly fine i'd be fine with it okay but then okay and then you're are you a fan of snakes on this whole trend now, thanks to Taylor, is the snakes on jewelry thing? I mean, I don't care about that. Okay, great. There you go.

But like, for example, I was like at a friend's the other day and like, they like. They had a snake? Casually brought out a snake. No. Who is this friend? No reptile. And I was like, this is, this isn't okay. And I made him put it away.

Are they in the industry? Yeah. That's not acceptable. If you're in the industry and you have a snake, then you're hiding something. It's just, it represents something. You know, the way that you can like when you meet someone who has a pet bird, like you're like, oh, I know everything I need to know about this person. No, thank you. But like a pet bird at least is like pretty and everybody's like, oh, that's nice.

But like a snake like no one wants that zoos need to get rid of their snakes you never know when you're gonna turn a corner and there's gonna be one when we were on acid at the San Diego Zoo you know we're looking at the some sort of thing that's swimming in the water and it was a crocodile alligator some

shit and then you turn and then in this aquarium was this just giant hideous garbage pile of a snake and the way they reflect light is disgusting and they're just pointless they offer absolutely nothing the way they metabolize the things that they eat is

absolutely frightening and if you ever gotten eaten by a snake I'm so sorry you know that thing where like that fucking I couldn't stop looking at it that that article about the guy who like fell asleep on the street in India and like was swallowed whole by like a cobra. No. And like he was killed, obviously.

No. We're so sorry for that. Also boa constrictors that wrap around you and literally constrict you until you suffocate and then they break your bones. No, thanks. Disgusting. Disgusting. Thank you.

Yeah, so fuck snakes. Any animal that has an instinct to kill you painfully, I don't think so, honey. Yeah, but again, I don't mind an alligator crocodile. I do mind them. I mean, I don't want to hang out with one. I would never invite them. No, if I had a dinner party of 12, no, there would not be an alligator crocodile on that list.

But I do not think they... I'm not like let's get rid of all the crocodiles, alligators. But snakes, I genuinely am. Let's start a movement. Let's get rid of them. Really? So they're on the top of your list and if you could get rid of every shark in the world, you'd be like no? I don't – I mean you don't – again, I don't like sharks. But I like reading about sharks.

And not all sharks are harmful. Sharks get a bad rap. They're at least interesting. I also think snakes are probably stupid. Sharks are at least smart. Snakes, there's really nothing redeemable. Maybe more rodents. I get what you're saying.

There would be more rodents. But I would rather be in a bathtub of mice than have to look at a snake on TV. Because at least mice are also mammals. And therefore, you can get on their level. Yes. Get on their level. That's least mice are also mammals and therefore you can get on their level. Yes! Get on their level. That's huge. For any animal, you have to get on their level. Yes! That's a real culture number 91. For any animal, you

have to get on their level. That was a very... That felt like a classic clean I Don't Think So Honey. It was really good and I've never thought about... It's one of those I Don't Think So Honey's where it's like you haven't thought about it but you're like oh my god i've known this all my life yes like i've known since i was little i don't think so honey no get him out of here get him out of here and we're i think we are entering a time of snake shaming if you have a snake

who are you yeah we evaluate honestly reevaluate it because of taylor she is making the snakes popular well then this week everybody everybody was like, because Britney 25 years or whatever. They were showing the... I don't know what... All I know is Britney 25 years. Britney Spears was being talked about this week, and I was just like, I don't... There are literally bombs going off.

But she... Then they were talking about that snake, and there were pictures of that snake again. For some reason, that snake doesn't bother me as much because the color is kind of pretty. And it doesn't look like a snake. The color makes it look not like a snake. But no, I still think that snake should be killed.

But that one doesn't piss me off as much. But I just don't want like... I hate when I'm scrolling through my feed and there's a snake. It's just of any kind. How long do snakes live? Too long. I'm not sure I feel like they probably live a long time I'm wondering if that

Britney Spears I was late for you snake is still alive are you looking it up I'm looking it up right now let's see but then there's gonna be a picture of a snake on your phone and you're gonna have that okay I he doesn't feel as bothered by snakes as you do so I think he'll be um okay how long do they live uh boas usually live

for 25 to over 50 years. Get a life. Many colubrids have a lifespan of between 15 and 25 years, and smaller species live for 5 to 10. So the slave for you era was 2003, 2004, so I guess we can say, or 2001? 2003. Are we sure?

Are we sure? Because 99 was 2000 was oops I did it again 2002 I want to say so we can safely assume the snake

may be alive it depends on how old it was was that a boa constrictor no I think it wouldn't have been safe Python

yeah it was a python yeah that's it wouldn't have been safe on her like go away no don't bring that into a building. There was an interview with her, and they were like, would you ever do that again?

She was like, oh, my God, no. Yeah. She was like, it was really bad when I did it. Apparently, they smell bad, too. They smell bad. There's no reason for that. I had a little kid's birthday party, and they brought out a snake one time. Why did you have a little kid's birthday party?

It was when I was a little kid. Oh, I think you were hosting a children's birthday party yeah i was like come on kids i'm having a birthday party for you don't admit that um on air yes no but when i was little someone one of my friends had a birthday party and we could all get pictures taken with like the big yellow snake it was like sitting on our shoulders that is disgusting and i think it's wrong too for to the snake i mean look i snakes, but I still think they should be forced to do that. Yeah, it's like they should be alive with their dignity or murdered with their dignity. Just put them all on an island.

Like, literally, Australia is like full of snakes. Like a Jurassic Park for snakes. Yes, exactly. That's exactly what I was thinking. Oh, Australia is actually perfect for snakes. Well, there's tons of them there. But because there's tons of it, the kangaroo populations get out of control. Unfortunately. So that maybe the snakes can bite the kangaroo populations get out of control. Unfortunately.

So maybe the snakes can bite the kangaroos. I don't like that. I'd rather more kangaroos than more snakes. But apparently kangaroos are like not so nice. Oh no, they're a nightmare. Really? They're basically, Australian people consider them to be like rodents.

Yeah. So they're like the deers. When you go to Fire Island and there's like so many fucking deer. But they like literally, they can punch you. They're really aggressive. Whereas a deer would just run away from you.

Oh my god, I just remembered that a kangaroo is a marsupial and therefore it's not a mammal and you can't get on its level. You can't get on its level. And it's so important. I had a kangaroo as a publicist for a couple years. And she didn't understand. Couldn't get on her level. No, we could never communicate.

She didn't get it. She didn't quote. It just couldn't go on her level. No, we could never communicate. She didn't get it. She didn't get it. She didn't quote unquote get it. That kangaroo did not get ahead of the chapter in the book. She did not. She did not. Before we spin off into a whole other podcast about marsupials and reptiles and the animal kingdom, we should probably wrap up. We should wrap up.

Although talking about these animals really makes me want to trip on acid someday with Jeffrey at a zoo. I was like, I would love to literally, the two of us should fly out there and you can really recreate. I also hate zoos, but I enjoyed it that day. Then let's take acid and not go.

San Diego is very good. Um, go anywhere else, but let's go to a fucking aquarium. Although sea animals scare me more. Sure. Yes. Cause they're unpredictable the way they move the way they move Jeffrey we love you so much I love you guys so much

thank you so much for having me I just I'm such a fan we've been trying to get you actually well because you're here and I'm you know you know what it's different I was gonna try to do the live one in LA but it didn't work out I was out of town hopefully December okay let's make that happen let's make it happen we love you so much Jeffrey thank you so much

please check Jeffrey out on every great gay show truly Difficult People 30 Rock Search Party 30 Rock

classically a gay show classically a gay show I mean actually yes there's a queer aspect to it yeah some good gay characters I love that well and

we have to close out with a song as always somewhere over the rainbow I love that. Well, and we have to close out with a song, as always. Somewhere over the rainbow in the upland. We can't do this. There's a land. We can't do this. Bye.

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