Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Avril Lavigne In A Tie" (w/ Meghann Fahy)

Episode Date: November 30, 2022

White Lotus? More like LAS CULTCH! On this episode, Matt & Bowen are joined by Meghann Fahy! The breakout star of THEE television program of the moment is here to discuss shooting in Sicily, working with the incredible cast and genius Mike White, and to generally roundtable with our hosts about everything this season of WL has been serving up. Also, Kelly Clarkson, Avril Lavigne and how the two interact in music, in culture and at the 2002 VMAs, cultivating a skater aesthetic without ever once skateboarding, O Holy Night, overcoming audition fear and performance anxiety, interacting with Mariska Hargitay, Meghann's experience in Next To Normal on Broadway, the scam that is hot coffee and so, so, so much more. LC <3's MF! Watch White Lotus Sunday nights on HBO. As if you're not already!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I feel that it is. We have been watching all season, what I'm going to call the television event of the year. It's appointment television. Yes. At this point, we're going to talk about the episodes that have aired up till now of the white lotus so big big big spoiler alert up ahead if you if you're not caught up it's time it's time it's important that you are and that you do catch up and i hate telling the readers turn back now but it's important because i obviously wouldn't want to ruin anything because

this is that show that is like every single minute give something to talk about and i also have to say so there's been five episodes out by now and i wonder if you agree at the end of episode five there's a moment that is like the ass eating scene in season one it's gonna have everybody talking and of course we're talking about when the nephew fucks his own uncle in the ass okay oh that's his uncle yes bitch oh my god see this is all it's all coming back to put a great singer yeah yeah yeah i'm not even gonna why it's early in the morning it's early in the morning it's actually it's a little past noon i'm warmed up because i just came from grinder has gone public congratulations which is the definition of queer rights i what's what's the ipo i wonder grndr great i might um buy at least 20 percent

i want to i want to feel like barbara corcoran up in this oh my god you're ready to go in i'm ready to go in and make decisions here's i, I have a question for you. What's more queer rights? Grindr going public in the New York Stock Exchange and Crystal Waters in Jada Essence Hall performing this morning. I mean, that's hard to beat. Or Essex fuckboy fucking his own uncle. Or me on the way to this episode of Las Culturistas

listening to... Oh, Into the Unknown? No, girl. the theme to White Lotus oh my god you're not doing the you're not doing like the tongue movement

yeah oh the warbling yeah so what this is me running to the episode today I'm running running running

that's happening my ear pod falls out and my ear falls on the ground I go shit I go and I pick up the thing I put it back in my ear and I the ground i go shit i go and i pick up the thing i put it back in my ear and i start running again and i hear and it just like sort of like can i tell you something

is happening right now in the culture tell me what is happening in the culture right now soundtracks and scoring is really ambiently affecting everyone's lives and shaping the experience of things. And it's, there's nothing more electrifying. And I was walking here so galvanized. Yeah. Because I knew we were coming to what was going to be a legendary episode of this podcast. And this is quite a week.

This is quite a week. Because yesterday, I just want to say, I was on the Kelly Clarkson show. Oh my God, we can talk about this now. We can talk about it. I had it,

I put it on my fucking calendar i said matt's on kelly my number i'm telling the guest my number one favorite person in this world since i'm 11 years old is kelly clarkson yesterday i got to be on her show to promote my special have you heard of christmas which is streaming on december 2nd and let me tell you the energy was so oh am i gonna cry so literally warm gorgeous just open and i couldn't have asked for a better experience with the person that has meant so much to me and i sat next to chloe grace moretz herself she was a gag we talked housewives off air she is a scholar and i'm saying like, wow, the way that this year has been like literally made worth it just for that one meeting. Oh, man.

And what's important is that you got to meet her on your terms, quote unquote. You'd been in the audience. You had opportunities to say hello to her. You decided years ago when Joel went on, you were like, I can't meet her. I can't meet her. I can't meet her. I would love, the ideal situation is someday I'm going to meet her

when it's my own thing. I was just like, because I always break down and cry before I even take steps to her because I've been in proximity. When you think about her, you get emotional.

Literally. And so like, then there I was and to have my first meeting with her ever on cam, like that rocks. And also, what I love about her, the cameras go up, she what i love about her the cameras go up she's

the same person as the cameras go down but swearing like a sailor like it is every other third have you we have to ask the guest but like this was it was amazing and i just wanted to make sure that i honored the fact that i did meet her and the readers the loyal readers have been waiting for this moment and i've been waiting for this moment and so i want to acknowledge and say it was better than i ever oh my god i'm so happy for you please everyone readers watch have you heard of christmas on showtime it's coming out on december 2nd this friday this friday it's so exciting and speaking of so i did vulture festival oh my god in la it was one of my first like things to start promoting the special and i literally i look at the schedule right and i see betty i see well betty who i i had always wanted

to do the special because like i just if i was going to do a sing-along i had to have you had to but i look at the schedule and i see that there's going to be an advanced screening of at the time episode three of white lotus with megan fahey and i said to myself maybe it would be the to invite megan on and i because i knew to myself maybe it would be the gag to invite megan on and i because i knew that our friend steven simbari manages her and so i reach out and i'm like would this be possible thinking probably probably busy probably not interested etc came slayed oh we've seen the video and you gotta look at the video because if you don't know now you know this is not only a capital a actress

capital s star capital s singer you must understand this is a person that is on the precipice of majorness and already just like like it's like so so so incredible and everything that she's done we're so excited that she's here you know her from the bull type you know her from this season of the white lotus fucking get this next to normal on broadway yeah legendary a multitude of things and a massive future and literally the readers are ready for this one everyone's ready for this one it's all clicking it's all clicking like even with the vulture fest video of you two singing O Holy Night. By the way, she asks a very valid question, which is, does anyone know the second verse? And we'll get into it.

You came ready. You know, I've just watched so many, like, Beltrises do that song in my life. And Josh Groban. Don't count him out. Well, she's a Beltris. She's a Beltris. That's a rule of culture number 59. Josh Groban is a beltress

and we look forward to all her future projects but you two just hitting the vine that last vine do you know what I'm talking about no do it

oh no I'm not doing it but the oh night deep you guys both beautiful beautiful beautiful sort of

synchronicity it was a gorgeous moment in time. One of my favorite life moments. And now she's here in person. We're doing this in person. Yes. We're recording a lot of our episodes in person again.

And it's such a joy. We're so happy she's here. Everyone, please welcome Megan Fahey. Oh, my God. We're so happy. Hello. Hi. It's like such a joy to have you here because like that was such a moment.

I literally I was like, she'll never say yes. And then you said yes and came in crushed. I still can't believe that we did that because it's been so long since I've even sung in front of anybody. Really? Yeah. And you were so chill about it. You were like, it's whatever. Like rehearse if you want or don't.

Well, then you showed up to rehearsal and I was like, and I sawic gerson who was musical directing for me who's our old friend and like at one point you're rehearsing and like you walked off after you did and he looks at me like what and i was like yeah i know it's like the real deal no but i thought it was gonna be a duet so we got so i got there to rehearse so i was like i'm not just showing up and winging this. Yeah. Which is what ended up happening anyway. Oh my God. That's just kind of my MO. And he was like, what kind of key? And I was like, well, whatever works for Matt.

Like, probably we should talk about that. And he was like, no, I think whatever works for you. Okay. So then is this good or bad that you show up and it's a little, it sounds like it might have been too chill. Is this fair to say? No, it was great because like your easy breeziness made me less nervous and i was so nervous at the idea of it and then

when i got up there and because i had been watching the show which was going so well and everybody was loving you so much that i just actually got up there and had fun yeah and then of course we did like what ended up being a because you brought me in spontaneous duet well because you brought me in and also the thing is like so i would never actually endeavor to sing that song because i feel like that is like the great big song of christmas and then when you were like now who actually knows the second verse to this song i literally there was a thing in my head and i had the mic as the host of the show and i was like i think i know the second verse and there we are all in my head and I had the mic as the host of the show and I was like, I think I know the second verse. And there we are all the way in your key.

All the way. And that was the thing that really took me out. I was like, how dare you sing this higher and better than me. That is not true. It is true. No, no, no, no. Stunning. You were both amazing.

We're splendid. It was just even on the video, which I was like, it must have been something else to be there in person. It was so fun. That was a really fun show. That was a really good on the video, which I was like, it must have been something else to be there in person. It was so fun. That was a really fun show. That was a really good one. Thank you for having me. That was like,

one of my favorite life moments. Oh, come on. I'm serious. So Stephen tells me you had a Christmas album as a kid? Okay. So I'm like,

still on the fence about whether or not I want anybody to know this. But it is true. I do have a Christmasmas album that i made when i was like 12 what all covers all illegal oh oh sure yeah yeah like no rights is it streamable certainly not my grandfather is dressed as santa claus and featured on the album art. Naturally. What were some of the songs?

I'm giving you literally the Simpsons sister Christmas duet. Oh, really? Have you heard it? No, what is that? They do Little Drummer Boy. Oh, you mean like Ashley and Jessica. Oh, the literal Simpsons sisters.

Yes. Oh my god. So here's the thing about Parampa Pompom by literal Simpsons sisters yes oh my god so here's the thing about by the Simpsons sisters that's actually one of the great Christmas standards absolutely

okay and you were 12 I think you're our age that we were 12 yeah so this was peak Simpsons yeah oh my god

you like it wasn't even that you gave it time to like let their little drummer boy like congeal in the culture. You just went for it. I took it. Oh my God.

Bravo. What else? Kelly Clarkson's Grown Up Christmas List. Grown Up Christmas List. Are you a Kelly fan? Of course. Wait, so did you sing with her? I didn't.

So my publicists were sort of like, would you want us to float singing with her? And so like I said, I'm like in pure panic and terror whenever it comes to things like that. Because, you know, it's one thing to sing by yourself because you can sort of like mess around. Like I'm obviously like a comedian who is so sick. And then like when they're like, would you want to sing with Kelly Clarkson? Can we float that as an option?

I literally was like, no, 10 car alarm. Like, no way. Like, do not do it. Like like i would never dare sing with her but like i understand the question of course but the answer is a hard no have you been on her show wait so you didn't no oh man one day maybe one day i get it do you know what i mean i totally get it it's it's like almost too much i mean she's i think well let's talk about this who is the best singer like i probably i i would say when the way she can sing anything i'm like you're scary like she's like wild yeah it is a little spooky yeah i mean feel like you will have another opportunity oh for sure i mean let's just say it went well enough where the

producers were like you have to come back which is what you always want to hear okay so i feel like a performance on a second visit yeah it's actually chef's kiss oh my god would you do it have you been on her show i also would not do it no i think i would just look at her and cry like i don't but you could i don't think so i don't know were you a kelly fan yeah of course yeah like anyone all right i mean like and this comes full circle because like it's a little bit of my culture moment later than yes oh my god yay but i used to like sit in my basement and like stare out my basement window singing breakaway cut to like kind of recently when I learned that Avril Lavigne wrote that song. Yes, she did.

She did. And it's complicated so to speak because there's Avril and Kelly history. Do you know the story of Avril and Kelly? I don't think I do. So this is the story of Avril and Kelly. So this is a gag. So when Kelly was a finalist in the top two on American Idol,

this is like avril's big moment avril's like hugely famous from like skater boy and like complicated she's like having a big moment yeah so this is between skater boy and i'm with you avril lavigne wins best new artist at the vmas and presenting that is justin guarini and kelly clark, who were in the midst of the finals week of American Idol. So they are so excited they announced Avril Lavigne. Avril Lavigne, whose image at the time is very, like, punk rock, like, I'm better than this. Meanwhile, her hooks were literally fucking pop hooks.

She was a pop singer, but she pretended she was more punk. So then she gets up on stage, and Kelly goes to hug her. Avril takes her arm, lifts it over her head, and like rudely takes the award from her and goes to the mic. What? Literally. And I'm sitting there at home being like, I am done. I was like, I can't believe this.

And I'm a dyed in the wool. I've never listened to another Avril Lavigne song again after that. And then literally what happened was I'm watching it and I'm sitting there seething. You're 11. I'm 11 years old. I'm sitting there seething you're 11 i'm 11 years old i'm sitting there pissed i think i'm 12 so then like i remember a few weeks later i'm in the car i think i think my dad was driving me to like literally catechism like wednesday night like religious school i'm already in a bad mood so i'm in the car and i'm hearing this song looking for a place i'm standing for a face whatever the car and I'm hearing this song looking for a place I'm standing for a face

whatever the fuck and I'm like okay this is kind of a major bop I was like and it's I'm with you I'm like wait

and then she starts really wailing the end and I'm like oh is this and then the radio announcer goes that's the new one from Avril Lavigne

and I was so mad because I was like oh wait she actually can really sing and that song was legendary yeah it was the first time i had ever heard i'm with you and i was like fuck and then i was like god damn it like the moral conundrum of knowing she was so rude to my girl yes and also that she had wailed this song i was like i still can't and then later would write Breakaway. Then she wrote Breakaway, which is like a B-side that Avril didn't want anymore. Yeah, because there's a demo version of Avril Lavigne singing it.

Yes. That's on YouTube. Yes, there is. And so then later, years later, Howard Stern, Kelly was on Howard Stern. And Kelly told the story of how rude Avril was. Good for her. Yeah. And she was like, yeah, it was really nasty and made me feel really bad. And Kelly told the story of how rude Avril was. Good for her. Yeah.

And she was like, yeah, it was really nasty and made me feel really bad because everyone treated us like shit. That sucks. Yeah. When we were American Idol finalists at that show, she was like, everyone treated us like shit that night. And when that happened on stage, I felt worthless. Oh, my God. And then.

But then recently Avril was on Kelly's show. Yes. And they didn't mention it. That whole thing but it's all it seems all patched everything's fine now but it's funny because

that was not the only well Kelly's a classy gal she's the best and then that Miss Independent was written by Christina Aguilera and was a Christina Aguilera b-side wow yes

so Kelly was getting like the cast off songs but making them hits monster hits i mean those were huge hits right right right so this is this just goes to say like kelly can take any song and make it the moment oh for sure the real housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. I love that. Oh my gosh. Welcome.

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You were such a natural. That is so nice. I have never been more terrified. Are you? Really? Yeah, yeah. And for the duration, too. Oh, no.

The whole time I was sitting there, I was like. You were a charm bouquet. That's so nice. You came off so cool. Definitely. So lovely. I mean, he was great. I mean, he was lovely.

So fun. And everybody that works for him, too, was like, from the second I got out of the car, everybody was just so nice. They were probably excited to see you. It was just really sweet. So, yeah, I'm glad that it's over. Yeah, but there'll be so many more. And you must be really enjoying this because I don't know how it feels to even book White Lotus and then go there and film it in that insane location with what seems to be a really fun cast.

Oh, yeah. Then to see it received so well, it just has to be crazy. It is crazy. It's crazy town. It's crazy town USA. I can't even believe I'm sitting here talking to you guys right now.

No, come on. I think you're just both so cool. No, shut up. No, don't even. I'm serious. What I loved was hearing, wait, you auditioned for the first season. I did.

What part did you audition for? The Alex Daddario role. Alex Daddario part. Yeah. So then like you do that and then you see it and it's like this stunning show and then you get the audition for the second season

or was it like he thought of you? I don't know. I mean, there was a very long casting process. Yeah. I can imagine. Of course. Actually, he thought of you i don't know i mean there was a very long casting process yeah and of course actually now i'm remembering something really funny that happened at the premiere wait i need to so so um it was it was an agent yeah of a of a person who i won't say sure and this agent was like so lovely and like truly meant so well okay but somebody brought him up to me at the party they were like we want to introduce you this person he really wants to meet you he comes up i'm like oh my gosh it's so nice to meet you he's like we made a picture together

i'm so happy for you i was like thank you so much he was like and i mean after what happened to you on the first season you must have just wanted to kill yourself. He was like, I mean, there it was. The biggest moment of your whole career. Come on. Out the window. And I went like right into it with him. I was like, yes. Yeah.

They're gone. Like, I fully just went with him. But I was like, this man, not this man being like, you must have just wanted to end it all. Yeah. To unalive yourself. Yeah. At the premiere. So, right. Like, in my head I'm packing my bags

and moving back to Massachusetts and I'm like, wait, wait, wait, no. It's a happy ending. No, I feel like everything did work out because I feel like this part with you is like, I told you when I saw you the other day at rehearsal, she's walking up to the stage and I'm like, by the way,

you're freaking kicking my ass in this show like it was from the second year on screen it is like so great i love you and aubrey together yeah thanks it really is like can you talk about like what that relationship is like what is she like because i feel like she's like sort of enigmatic in a way you know what i mean like you get who she is on screen but like that had to be like a fun relationship yeah it was so fun and i think that our natural energies yeah are so different that it does sort of just innately create this sort of fascinating dynamic when we're doing scenes together but i think that's true for basically everybody in the cast. Mike has this amazing quality to him where he just knows that you have something that he needs for that character.

And he kind of just lets you do whatever you want with that. And he's so good at picking the thing that there's sort of this ease to all of it because of that. Because I feel like there are things about this season that I really, really, really am picking up on in a way that I, I don't know, maybe it's because I'm paying a little bit more attention than I was at the first season. It's recency bias.

First season feels like a million years ago, even though it wasn't. But we were saying, we love this season. We love the first season. This second season is. I feel like there's this alchemy through you guys as actors, but also obviously through Mike, but it's like between you and Theo, there's a very interesting, fertile thing there.

But then this last scene in episode five, I watched it like four times. Yeah, I said to Bowen, I was like, you have to text me after you watch this because I think this is maybe one of the best written scenes I've seen in a really long time. Because it's all subtextual.

It's probably an actor's dream. I'm sure it was a huge challenge on a technical level for you. Maybe it wasn't. Maybe it came very organically, but Matt and I were texting each other. The line reads over text of just, is it?

Is it? Whoopsie. I'll find it later. Anyway, point is, you should get a trainer. It's just like that idea of like, you basically saying right there, don't fuck with my family,

which I loved. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you look at you managing what you can and cannot say. Well, no, I mean, I think what Daphne is actually insinuating in that moment is like quite dark. Yeah, absolutely. Which is an actor's dream because that's so fun to play like these like nuanced like under the surface you're saying one thing and you're meaning something else kind of like and mike's writing

is so good that like it does kind of come easily in a way because it's just like all there in the words but yeah i i don't know if i should say what i think she's insinuating or not because i i don't even know you know a lot so and then you don't want to tip anything but the thing is to i wonder like what is he like as a director because he's also an actor which i which i've worked with a lot of actor directors actually i and have you like yeah yeah a couple yeah it's very different the way that they get in there and the way because they they almost they don't want to tip anything or give too heavy a direction it is all there but i wonder like what's the experience of working with him as a director it's kind of amazing

because he's he's actually very unconcerned like he knows exactly what he wants he gives very clear notes he doesn't give a ton of notes interesting and if you ask him a question like hey what do you think about this like or i don't know i was thinking about the scene and he'll literally just be like uh yeah i don't know whatever you want yeah i had a feeling like he just is so light about it yeah which is kind of was a little bit surprising to me i think on some level because he's so razor sharp with what he's trying to execute and what the end product, it's always so crisp. I was kind of surprised to experience him as being that free.

Yeah. And somehow also specific, you know? Yeah. It depends on the actor. For someone who's relatively inexperienced like me, if I'm not getting something clear from a director, I spin out just a little bit and i go well all right like in my mind the guiding hand is not like coming in in the way that i want it to and that's your own ego but the fact that it all works like for you and mike that's very cool well yeah i mean i think i experienced that like we all do like as actors there's a part of us that's sort of conditioned

to sort of like need the guidance, crave the approval, like have the back and forth and all of those things. And so it can be really uncomfortable in a space where you're not necessarily getting that like gratification all the time. But I think it's really effective in a way because it sort of forces you to like make choices.

Yeah. And, um, again, like he, he very much guided everybody, but he's also not entirely concerned with like backstory. And,

you know, as actors, it's like you show up and you're like, right, well, I have to have all these like intelligent questions to ask because I just need him to know that I'm thinking about things and I care and I have opinions and you made the right choice for asking me to be here like and I had this meeting with him on my schedule when I first got to Italy

and it was like 30 minutes on my schedule and I was like freaking out I was like I have this is my opportunity to tell him why I deserve to be here and he was like so do you have any questions and i was like uh no and he was like okay cool well if you want to change anything let me know i'm here text me call me whatever wow and literally that was it and then theo came in and we chatted with him a little bit but he was so like he's like whatever helps you yeah like if you want to go through the backstory and figure out the things like go for it he was like but the vibe that i got from him is like whatever helps you is great yeah and i'm here if you need anything but also like go play because you almost get the sense that like the casting is the part where maybe where maybe that's where he's thinking a lot and that's why

maybe it was a long casting process because finding the right person for all these roles is really important because when you find that person then you're then you're like you know we trust them and whatever they do on screen is what we wanted because i guess that's what acting is right it's like catching someone in a moment and then like these people are just supposed to be living their lives and so whatever you do on screen is gonna read right it doesn't have to be all this heady stuff it can be like thrown away and i wonder do you guys do a lot of takes do you move on quickly kind of yeah yeah which is scary right yeah that i always felt like that whenever like they say like okay we're moving on and then like no one comes over and looks you in the eyes and is like hey that was good and what you did here here and here was good and that's why we're moving on which they don't do

because they get it and then they move on because everyone has a job to do but you're like hold on wait a second what as soon as they say like checking the gate you're like wait no no no no don't i could probably do it better yeah you know oh but i wonder if it is like we're capturing these people in a moment like that's what acting is i'm sure it was informed by the fact that you guys were in thistley like on this beautiful resort or was it very like yeah were you you were there to work or were you there to like experience things in the way that daphne was yeah yeah i mean the line definitely felt blurred at certain points because you are living in the hotel yeah that you're shooting you know what i mean so you're you're in a way you are having that experience yeah yeah was it weird at a certain point i mean

it's kind of weird but it's like fancy like actor summer camp which is like always kind of a fucked up thing you know like we literally had that with fire island yeah and so i i always say like people know about 10 of the story from like what what the the movie shows and what we say in the press and everything. Because existing all together as a cast that's doing this stuff that's a little bit meta. Because we all know what it's like to be on vacation with friends or a boyfriend or whatever. And then you're doing it and you're there for a long time with each other and there's dynamics at play. So it's a thing. I'm sure there are stories.

It's layered for sure. Yeah. But overall, it was amazing. How long were you there? From February to like the end of July. Wow.

Shut up. Yeah. And that's a quick turnaround. So of this year, 2022. Yeah, we wrapped at the end of July and the show came out in October. Wow.

Which is mind boggling. Yeah, that's quick. Yeah. That's quick, especially for something that feels so intricate because that's another like compliment I have

for the series is that it's really hard to make that many characters feel completely fleshed out. Yeah, and like when I started watching the episodes, which is something

that I actually really struggle with, I hate watching myself and most people do, but I am such a fan of the show and I love what everybody else is doing so much that I'm just like, fuck it. I hate watching myself. I think we all have a hard time. But I am such a fan of the show and I love what everybody else is doing so much that I'm just like, fuck it, I'm watching it. But I saw some things in the edit

where I remember being in a scene and Mike being like, can you say this? And just adding a thing. And then it being in the edit in this way where I was like, he knew then probably that he wanted to put that there in that way. Like I saw like into his brain for like two seconds, like he's editing the show while he's shooting it. Amazing.

It was really unbelievable. Yeah. Can you think of any examples from the first five episodes or is it too granular? I think it was in the first episode, actually. It was something that Daphne says in the scene where they're all sitting around drinking spritzes together. But I can't remember exactly what the line was. The scene of you guys in Noto,

the edible scene, I love how it was just like... Oh, yeah, the bull elephant's monologue is a moment and a half. Bull elephant's monologue is amazing. But even just the acting on drugs is so heady for an actor i guess but i think it was so perfectly calibrated it wasn't like overtaking like the performance it wasn't even overtaking like the dialogue in the scene it was just these two people who were talking we're stuck in this big villa or palazzo just like waxing philosophic about life and then the whole bull elephants

monologue and then obviously the moment of like i'm not a victim is just so like i i hope you're very proud i know it's weird to watch yourself but like i mean i feel like you're such a standout on the show but everybody it's like what we're saying it's like there's not a weak link there really isn't there really isn't yeah sabrina imp't. Yeah. Sabrina Imbrioli, Simona Tabasco. I'm forgetting Mia's name. Impacciatore is her name. Oh, Imbrioli is Michael Imbrioli.

I'm sorry. Yes. I'm getting my name mixed up. It's just every character that pops up, I'm like, oh, I'm excited to see what the fuck this is going to be. Even the characters I really don't like.

And you know, it's funny because like, which has nothing to do with anyone's performance. It's obviously all there. But like, you know what character I really struggle with? I talk toorsche yeah like to me she irritates

me so much because i'm just like what do you want but haven't you been her though like between two guys i think i have and i think that yeah i i've been in that situation a million times and i i have a great deal of shame about it yeah or not shame but just like internal like oh man that is a human thing like well it's that thing of like there's the guy that you should go with and then there's the guy that like for some whatever the fuck reason like turns the screws you know what i mean it's like and this this fucking smoke show leo woodall who plays the british guy yeah we love him we really do and like the reveal at the end of 5

like I'm still processing that that's uncle yeah I know that's the darkness by blood yes

and that's like why he's there you know what I mean I'm still reeling wait wait but is it is it actually though his uncle

oh okay or is he just saying it's his uncle oh see I guess we don't know yet but I don't even know the answer to that question he just saying it's his uncle yeah see i guess we don't know yet i don't even know the answer to that question yeah but i think it's probably possible yeah that he's not related to him yeah okay or then maybe he's just there you know to to to do that purpose and be fun and like of course the cover is like it's my uncle yeah you do know i don't know that's if it really is his uncle that is fucked really

truly but but also like it feels so the show like when she when jennifer cool it just started to walk down the hallway i'm like by the way i felt like jennifer like slayed this episode to this last episode i mean the opera scene was so fab so good so funny it's so funny but it's so like that it's so her when she's walking down the hallway and like you hear these noises of sex I knew it was coming and I literally was like

oh my god I'm so scared it continues to be just like that show I'm so excited it's going to continue and obviously like it is an anthology so we won't see you in that one but I wonder if we'll see Jennifer I wonder if Jennifer's going all around the

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Okay, so obviously everyone should be watching The White white lotus but let's get into the damn thesis of lost culture which was megan fahey what was the culture that made you say culture was for me this is that thing in pop culture that for some reason you look back on and you're like that changed me okay well here we are yeah avril lavigne in a tie are you serious i swear to god like yeah it really i can genuinely sit here and tell you that it changed my life yeah okay what was it about it sartorially yeah yeah yeah please unpack yeah i honestly i don't even know i love why i just i was so affected by her presence at that time like yeah truly started going to abercrombie and fitch and buying men's cargo pants to wear to school wow etnies skate shoes yes

she's never been on a skateboard in her life but she wants the aesthetic yeah multiple pairs yeah of skate shoes yeah oh my god Where did you grow up? Western Mass. Western Mass. Okay, cool, cool, cool. So then, like, you know, for Christmas one year, my lovely, adorable parents, like, I could cry when I think about them, like, going onto the Avril Lavigne site

and, like, buying the official merch tie for me for Christmas. And then, like, shortly shortly thereafter her coming out in an interview and being like i hate it when other people wear ties like i was wearing ties because nobody else was wearing them and i was 13 or 14 or whatever and i was like i won't recover from this no that's the thing is like it was really a big heartbreak do you ever see the interviews from her like now from that time and she was like, I don't fucking know, man. I don't fucking hate pop music, man.

Fuck it. I don't even know to be a fucking pop star, man. I'm like, are you crazy? You're 18 years old. Was she younger than that? Was it 18? She was young. And so they gave her a pass for that.

I think she was 17 when her first album came out. I think you're right. I think you're right. And I remember hearing radio DJs talk about her. They're like, yeah, this new hot chick on the scene. I'm like, I'm're right. And I remember like hearing radio DJs talk about her like, yeah, this new hot chick on the scene. I'm like, I'm like 12 and I'm like, this girl's too young. I know there's something fishy about

this one. Why are they talking like this? Do you think this is like a tomboy phase or was it not even that it was just like this punk slash skater aesthetic, which was at the time and still is like just very cool very except like there was like a quality and like a convention around it that was very interesting to people i feel like it just gave me permission in some way to like access

this part of myself that i didn't i couldn't't before. Yeah. And like, you know, I sang a lot growing up. And so I used to do these like really embarrassing, like, like one time for like Disney radio. I, I like rocked up to like this place with like a karaoke machine and like saying covers. And I say one of,

I say one of her like darker cuts from the first album. Yeah. What was it? Do you remember? Uh, yeah yeah it's like losing grip wait it's not losing grip it's been so long i write this song you don't know me don't ignore me yeah yeah yeah wait see this is this is the thing it's like my sister had the album and i would hear her listening to it and this was the post the kelly thing and so i was trying so hard

but the hooks were good i mean you were on to something to be fair i saw rudeness and i called it out the guy who was like running the little event that i did where i sang a cover of that song to a karaoke track was like maybe next time cut that one it was like it's a little too heavy and i was like yeah too hardcore for you radio like I loved that that happened I was like oops too dark I was too edgy for Disney Channel do you guys want to know something what we had on in the car every hour every minute we were driving was Radio Disney yeah it was huge it was huge and there would be like little local ads for like, they're doing an event at the mall. And like, I would beg.

I wouldn't even get to the point of asking my parents to go. But in my mind, I was like, if I could show up, I would blow everyone away. I'm sure you would have. I'm sure I wouldn't have. But the dream was just like to show up at one of those things and meet other kids or something like that. Meet other kids with talent. Yeah. I wanted to be a part of the biz. You wanted to get on the radio. I wanted to get on the radio just to like be on

stage or something, you know. Totally. But I feel like this is like you like honing this skill for years and years. But that's also like it speaks to this thing that I think we all probably felt as children. Like, did you feel like there was just something inside of you where you just like you just sort of knew that at some point you would probably do some weird stuff in this arena?

Like not even as it applied to being like super successful at it. But like, oh, I don't I just like I didn't end up going to college because you were working. I did next to normal. Yeah. And I just remember like when I knew that I wasn't going to school, like I had applied to colleges and stuff. I like wasn't that surprised that it wasn't happening. Like I grew up and I was like, I'm going to go to college. That was always the plan.

Like I was never planning to not go. But when it didn't happen, I was like, oh, yeah, that seems right. Somehow. Like, yeah, you guys have that when you were kids. Like in any way. planning to not go but when it didn't happen i was like oh yeah that seems right somehow like did you guys have that when you were kids like in any way i definitely felt like connected to like i remember when american idol first started happening and there was a concept of you could go audition and be from anywhere that like changed the paradigm for me i think that's why i latched on to kelly so much is because i genuinely felt like she came from nowhere and got to become a star just from being talented and being herself and etc and that

definitely was like a north star for me to the point where during the second season of american idol there was a contestant named matt rogers and i i thought well now i can never get my dream yeah season two and i was And I remember being like, they're never going to have another Matt Rogers on American Idol. And I remember thinking as a 13-year-old, that will be the way that I become who I'm supposed to become. It's through American Idol. Like, delusional suburban kid.

You know what I mean? But like, it's like... Not delusional. Yeah, not at all. You're seeing it. Well, I just saw it as like a feasible path forward because that was what was fed to us by the american idol messaging machine it was like it can happen to you and also at that time i was realizing i was gay and stuff i'm like

really wanting an escape and really thinking like it's got to be bigger and more than this yeah so like i do identify with what you're saying and And clearly Bowen was like, once I storm the stages of Disney Channel, it's going to be over for these hoes. Not even Disney Channel. Radio Disney. Radio Disney.

That's what I meant. We're all ears. Oh my God. We're all ears. That was the jingle. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know,

but I love this answer so much because it's not just Avril Lavigne. You're saying it's Avril Lavigne with a tie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's the perfect kind of answer where it's so specific. It was bigger not just Avril Lavigne you're saying it's Avril Lavigne with a tie yeah that's the perfect kind of answer where it's so specific it was bigger than just Avril Lavigne

and thank god because we know she was a cruel woman a cruel girl the second album slaps amazing well that was when I had to start retracting it cause like did you think that I was gonna give it up to you oh my god better

tell me what to do that song gets forgotten okay and the messaging is still hits like totally you know she's still out here like telling you to do whatever the you want yes what's crazy though is i actually saw her so that was the first concert I ever went to. Great. My best friend and her older sister took me. And then I saw Avril Lavigne in Vegas for the While We Were Young Fest.

Oh. Yeah, a few weeks ago. Oh my God, how was it? So like, you're familiar with the conspiracy theory that she said. That she's replaced. Yes, that she's been replaced.

Wow. I am... And then what's the theory? At what point did she die? I'm starting to think about it. I just like... I just have never seen someone like truly...

Sounded amazing. Yeah, she's got a great voice. We can say it. But nothing going on underneath? Like a real like roteness. R-O-T-E. Or just like, I hesitate to say

robotic or something because that's, I feel like you don't want to say this person, whoever this person is, is inhuman. No, but I think that probably it's fair to say this person whoever this person is is inhuman no but I think it probably is fair to say that she's been doing it a long fucking time

and there definitely was a point in her career where she was like you know what give him girlfriend give him give him the kawaii you know what I mean

like she definitely like checked out or like stopped trying to do it was it was Hello Kitty was when it was like Hello Kitty was a wild moment in time

yeah that was a wild moment in time. Yeah. That was a wild moment in time. Do you know about this? No. We were at Hello Kitty. This is her fourth album or fifth. Oh, who cares after a while? So first was Let Go.

Second was... Oh, God. I'm blanking on the name. Third was Best Damn Thing, which is Girlfriend, which I think is a great album as well. No, Best Damn Thing is good. But then after that, she started to do the Hello Kitty song. So she did a whole like... This was post-Wednesday Bonnie. I'll play was post are you gonna play it because we could play it we could play it i think it's important

that you hear it okay but oh god goodbye lullaby she's got um and then there was also keep holding on from the aragon soundtrack which actually is about keep on yeah yeah that was like during her phase where she was married to the guy from Nickelback, right? Yes, yes, yes. And that was, again, and she also dated Brody Jenner for a long time. Yes. Remember that? Yes.

And Brody Jenner was like legit one of the hottest guys ever. Like, obviously like, well, he's Brody Jenner, whatever,

but like, she dated him for a long time. She dated the Sum 41 guy. Yes, she did Derek Wibley. I think they were even married. They were married first,

then it was Nickelback. Yeah, she like, had like a really oh no like making an aggressive play for like the harajuku girls but this was after gwen stefani did harajuku girls it came out at just the wrong time which was when it was like as a culture everyone was like talking about appropriation and so i feel like i i kind of understand what she was trying to do

and it completely failed yeah it was not executed well at all but i'm it is shocking and i feel like that was when like i don't know like the soul sort of left the body or something. And is this what you're saying? I mean, what you just said feels like the way toward it. But you could see it live, like in person. That's even more chilling. Oh my God. It was pretty chilling. You know, I do think that she seems

like a full grown adult now. And like, you know what I mean? Yeah, and I mean, look, she's talented. She's really talented. Is she the same girl as the 17 year old who came out is she dead and replaced not for us to say not for us to say only god can say but it's the same thing as paul mccartney or as all the beatles no but specifically paul mccartney that paul mccartney died and this guy is just like an impersonator um so you mentioned Next to Normal and I want to ask, did you cross over with Alice Ripley

or was it Maren Mazie? So I was an understudy when Alice was doing the show, but I did do the show with her as an understudy. I saw Alice do it, but I believe that, was it Jennifer?

Jennifer Damiano. Jennifer Damiano. I did see Jennifer Damiano. A queen on the stage. She was great. you must have been in the wings or something like uh you guys were roommates yeah wow which is like kind of psychotic like it didn't feel weird for us at the time but like i remember any time it came up and we mentioned that we were living together and i was her understudy everyone was like are you guys okay yeah but we were having a blast yeah that sounds cool yeah no problem it was her understudy, everyone was like, are you guys okay? Yeah. But we were having a blast.

Yeah, that sounds cool. Yeah. No problem. It was so fun. That sounds great. That was an amazing show. It was pretty special. I remember,

I don't think I've ever sobbed like I sobbed when I saw that show. I mean, the entire last, like, have you seen Next to No One on stage?

I only know the recording. I don't know. I've never seen it. The entire last, like, 15 minutes, like, it's like, hey, number three, perfect for Like, um, it's like,

Hey, number three, uh, perfect for you that through like, um, I am the one reprise is making me honestly want to cry. You don't even know. Like that was such a special show. I saw with my friend Mackenzie Darius.

We won the lottery. Actually, we were at NYU college. We were at NYU and we won the lottery and it was the first time we had ever even tried the lottery and we won. We got these like the, like seats in the balcony, like I call them the Lincoln seats, like disrespectfully. You know what I mean? Like those, like the ones Jennifer was sitting in watching the opera.

That's where we were. And I had just like such a profound emotional reaction to that show. And I think Aaron Tveit had just left. So I didn't see him, but it was, that was like such a moment. Was that your broadway debut yeah yeah yeah that was like the first thing i ever really did on stage that's a great role oh my god it's amazing yeah i mean that'll be one of the coolest things i've ever done in my whole life for forever i mean it was just so special yeah and did you stay with it through when marin was there yeah she's my angel yeah um

her and jason were really incredible i'm so grateful for them in that moment in my life and i like actually might cry because oh i know i was so young and she was so warm and like smart and had great boundaries and like knew how to take care of herself and was a team player and i feel like when you're 18 and you haven't learned how to be in an environment like that it's really easy to learn bad habits yes from other people yeah and so when she and jason came in they like fully just scooped me up and like held me through that whole experience in this way where i felt like it changed how i continued to move through my career after that because they were so amazing to me and jason's i'm still very close with him and um i'm just yeah

yeah that's how she was an amazing talent yeah she really was she was really one of the greats and i almost feel like while she was with us she never really got like that moment to be considered like you know on the level of like patty and like like but like she really was like i remember there was that amazing tribute to sondheim that they all did and she sang losing my mind it was just so incredible She was one of the greats. To have someone like that display care, I think it all comes down to care. And that's the thing that is unfortunately

not super baked into like, it's just like human nature, right? It's like everyone's in their own little world. It's hard to, in that kind of environment, reach out in this way. And any form it shows up in care is just like a very powerful thing especially with

what you're saying when it's your first job and your first job will always be your first job or maybe it wasn't technically your first let's just say it was your first job will always be your first job and then it defines so much of course it still informs the way you move through your career and also that show really

required everyone involved to be an exposed nerve every night. Like that was emotional. That must have been fucking tough. It was really hard. Yeah. But I also didn't even know how hard it was because I didn't know anything. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like when I think about it now, I'm like, I don't think I could do

it again. Do you want to go back to broadway and do the stage i would love i would love to yeah of course you fucking should yeah but also but also like in theory like everyone wants to do that and then like broadway is so different now you know what i mean it's like hard there's like almost nothing not to say there's almost nothing out there but like you know it's hard it's out. Yeah. Especially in the new phase of post-pandemic and everything. Yeah. But we're going to K-pop the musical premiere in a few days.

Oh, my God. That's going to be fun. Our friend Jason Kim wrote it. And so that'll be fun. But there's stuff out there. Have you seen the new Into the Woods? I have not. Oh, you have to go.

You should be Cinderella. Oh, my God. You should be Cinderella. Oh my God. You should! So I actually auditioned for the film. Oh, you did? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was like a really embarrassing experience because I was not off book with the song.

So I was like- Was it for Cinderella? Was it on the steps of the palace? Yes. Yeah. And the casting director was like, she like let me stumble through that's nice and then she was like so we're gonna we're gonna bring you back

um because i just sort of feel like you have to know the song better oh um in order to audition for this and i was like okay thank you i left i was like i will not be returning like i i was never gonna get that i think i can't even remember if I went back. I might have gone back. But I just was like, it's not going to be me. I developed like a pretty intense performance anxiety. Really? In that moment in time. I actually stopped auditioning for musicals altogether because I was struggling so much.

Because you just had like a mental block? Well, I, you know, know i did next to normal which was very specific it was like this pop rock musical i never really had any formal training i didn't you know what i mean so like because the show was so popular yeah exactly yeah and because the show was so popular and stuff my agent at the time was like sending me in for every musical under the sun and i was getting really intimidated because you know you're sitting outside and you're hearing all these people sing yeah and they're amazing and they have all these i felt like they had all these tools that i didn't have yes and i really spooked myself out like i would go into the room and i would forget the words or i would like crack or

like my mouth was dry and i couldn't do and it and I pushed myself for a while I was like just do it just do it just do it and then I was like actually I think I'm gonna take a break because I don't think I'm learning anything from this like I think the line between like pushing yourself out of your comfort zone and like knowing when to protect yourself is a tricky line and I finally got to a place where I was like i'm not this isn't serving me this is actually only making me feel bad so i'm gonna take a break yeah and then realize like i also don't have to be in like every musical is not right for me right and that's okay so maybe i stop just going in for every musical because i can't i have the opportunity to. You know what I mean?

That's such an important, so important to realize that. To understand that. There was a second there where when I was leaving college, and again, you had no real formal training. I did take a couple voice lessons in college and I was doing musical theater, but really it was extended through comedy. And the way I always say,

like a comedian can learn to sing and there are so many comedians that actually have great voices because they're committed it's like you you knock down that boundary because you like force yourself into commitment and bravery and just think well i'm not the singer so i might as well just fake it and then you realize like you have access once you just take those checkpoints away but then like you go into an audition scenario like walking into fucking telsey because you go in and you listen to these men just make sounds that are different from anything you can make like How effortless it sounds

for them to pop up into a belt. You know what I'm saying? It's like that musical theater sound that's just like, oh, you've never smoked a cigarette in your life, never even looked at one. It's amazing. Ben Platt, the sound he's able to make,

and how quickly... I describe it as a weapon. It's so resonant and how quickly it's like i describe it as like a weapon it's like so resonant and so effortless that i'm like i don't even know that my body could ever do that and then i think maybe some people are just born with a certain like way of being physically that their body can just make that sound but you walk into telsy and you hear that and you're like oh what the fuck am i doing here get me out of here get me out you hear that and you're like, oh, what the fuck am I doing here? Yeah, get me out of here. Get me out! You know what, Matt?

Honestly, I'm just realizing in this moment, you're my new Avril Lavigne. I am? What are you talking about? Yeah, because you, when we sang together, like, did the thing where you gave me permission to, like, be comfortable and get outside of myself and like be in the moment with you like because your voice is truly insane and you're also the funniest person alive

so your ability to do both of those things and I could feel you doing it to the audience as well like it's such a magical I mean both of you honestly can do this thing right? But I experienced it with you in that moment and like i'm just it's just landing on me now that like you fully did that i know exactly what you're talking about i experience it every time we're on a stage

together it's it's comfort it's care here's what i'll say is like this is what i would say to anyone and you guys are being so nice and that's so kind but what literally hacked the whole system for me was just that all an audience wants to do is have fun and if they're watching they just want to have fun yeah and if and if you are having fun like I feel like everyone has fun and I actually got that from Amy Poehler's book it was called yes please and I've always Amy has always been like my person that I'm most inspired by. Like I remember when I was like 18 in NYU and closeted and knew I had to change my life. I was going to Google the person I looked up to most in the world and that was Amy Poehler. And so I Wikipedia'd her and found out everything she had ever done and like pretty much copied her.

Like I signed up for UCB, auditioned for the improv classes or whatever but when i read her book she said something like the biggest hack or like the advice i got that i would always give everyone else is if you are having fun they are having fun and so it's just this thing of like that i find so much joy in singing i find so much joy in performing and also so much responsibility when people buy tickets to see a show that's like with your name sure yeah so it's like that thing of you better you know what i mean every time i go out there too i'm i'm fucking nervous like there's i've never been more afraid than to go lead up to my special no i i was like you saw i was like a hermit for three weeks but that's your process though is that you're like i'm gonna not drink right i'm not going to have these hearty, hearty nights.

It was like an anti-social thing. No drinking, no smoking, which is hard for me, someone that likes to go out and stuff. But it is important. You do have to take care of yourself so that you can be in the mental space to go out there and then give.

Can I scope out a little bit? Because I think the three of us all have this thing of, I wasn't formally trained. Right. Which is a thing that stays with you forever. Yeah. Do you feel like you're over that a little bit or no? I mean, maybe a little bit

but now that you're saying that I do feel like it's there a bit. When I found out that I was going to do the White Lotus I was so excited for two seconds and then I was immediately terrified. Yes, because you know everyone is going to see this.

And I didn't feel like I could hang with the cat. There were so many amazing actors that I felt like had earned their spot, and there was this part of me in my head that was like, you haven't done that yet. Yeah. But that's all it comes down to, is that it is imposter syndrome.

Clearly, it does not hamper anything for either of you. It's not a thing that people think about. Oh, Matt's not formally trained. Why is he trying to hit that note? You know, like, or, like, clearly, Megan, you're in control of, like, your instrument. Because, like, in every scene, I'm just like, how did she do that? Yeah. Oh, my God.

I'm saying this as a way to, like, pep myself up a bit. Because I'm like, that's really been like in the brain on the brain for a little bit for me I'm like oh am I even now still oh yeah I mean he's in the most famous television show in the world yeah like talk about pressure like I can't even imagine

truly yeah but it's that thing where I've lost the thread of like the fun a little bit and I just kind of. And that's purely internal. There are definitely external factors. But I just got to get back on the fun. It's interesting that you bring that up. Because I was watching actually the interviews with the whole cast.

They have these really fun featurettes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I watch all of them. Yeah, and I love the entire cast. So I watch all of them. But did you see? It was like the three Italian actresses. And sabrina and patra tori who plays valentina the sorry sorry i have like a i have i have it too there's something going around and it's not covet i've taken a

million covet test today just so everyone knows for that a million it's been two um and i barely have time for that um but i was watching an interview with her, and she was saying how, you know, when you're an Italian actor, and then you get this big American show, that's like crazy. So like, you felt a certain way about it. And then someone who's like,

now I'm going to be on the world stage for real. This is really going to change my career, especially in the role of the manager, which was done so to Emmy-winning expert success by Murray Bartlett. And she said that she described a situation where she got to set and she started to have a panic attack.

And that Michael Imperioli came over to her and was like, hey, you are amazing. You are supposed to be here, et cetera. That man is a king. For anybody who wasn't sure. Showbiz legend truly the kindest loveliest man you get that obsessed with him and his wife they're they're amazing yeah and that character too so i felt so heartbroken for him when he was walking on the beach on that last

episode and he was seeing all the families the man has a disease you know what i mean like i it was sad like you know like i understand like by the way that first episode like one of the most iconic scenes was when he gets on the phone with laura dern who's playing the voice of the wife and she's absolutely screaming at him you're like what has this man done yeah and then you realize like when you get to the end of five like he's really sick like he's got a disease and like you know you see him struggle with it and really want to be better but he is he is a sex he's a sex addict and to the extent where like he is fully self-destructive and you do see him like angry at his father who's f marie abram stunning i mean that scene with them

at dinner oh me okay i watched them film that did you yeah i i was sitting at the monitor like whenever i could sneak you were yeah yeah watching coolidge are you kidding me yeah of course um backstage pass yeah i watched them do that scene and i just cried i was like how and they make it just seem so easy yeah what he said i loved your mother he's like he said. I loved your mother. He's like, I loved your mother. It's not that simple. And Marie Abram goes, yes, it is.

And he just lays back. I said, that is a film icon. Oscar winner. Right there. I was like, he just, just the way the camera sat on him as he sat back in his chair too. I was like, this is the shit right there.

That was really fucking good. Writing of this episode of Five, just excellent. I still, I'm sorry I keep bringing it up, Megan. Is it? Whoopsie. Like, oh my God. Yeah, that was iconic. It's a spooky moment.

I was glad that Mike also wanted it to be spooky. Yeah. Well, you are a little scary in it. You are a little scary in it you are a little scary yeah it's a little scary because i also thought there was a little bit of when you said to aubrey like well you have to do things that make you feel better i thought you were kind of coming on to her a little bit i thought there was a little bit of that too look at you oh my god like oh my first of all i fucking love aubrey plaza and you know what it all changed for me? Ingrid Goes West. Have you seen Ingrid Goes West?

Of course. I love that movie. She's so great. She's really pulling back the layers lately. I didn't see, apparently, the premiere. It came up recently in my Insta stories. At the premiere, Elizabeth Olsen wears the dress, and then Aubrey Plaza wears the same dress.

Which is such a funny comment on the movie, too. No, it's totally planned. It's such a great comment on the movie, too. No, it's totally planned. It's such a great comment on the movie. We almost did something sort of like that in the scene where we go to Noto and I'm wearing those insane space buns. Yeah, I love that. She and I were getting ready to go do that pool scene and she was like, should I put my hair up like yours? And I was like, yes. So she did and we went down. And of course, Mike was like, I don't care. Yeah. i was like yes yes so she did and we went down and of course mike was like

i don't care yeah yeah he was like yes yeah and then her hair her hair person was like i don't think you should do it it looks bad she was like okay it would have been so cute if you guys had the same hair we just thought it was so funny like maybe either daphne did her hair for her or she was just like really trying to hop on board and was like me too it would have said so much wow I recently shot something where I had to be in the

pool the water that is a lot you're in the water for a long time let me tell you about shooting in the ocean oh yeah wait yeah let's chat about this. So you opened the series, and it's like, so you're with the two Survivor contestants, which, by the way, I'm a major Survivor fan.

Same. So did you know Angelina and Kara going in? Like, did you know who they were? Oh, I watched that season when I got to Sicily with Adam DeMarco. Wow. Oh, my God. Yeah, and we were both completely obsessed. We would go to set and ask mike like

so do you really not have a toothbrush like we wanted to know everything and then towards the end because we shot that scene like towards the end yeah mike was like guess who's doing scenes with you i literally fangirled they were having dinner one night and i was like can i come meet them and they were amazing and so lovely and they were great i love they were great one really funny thing that happened though is like angelina when the body gets pulled from the water i guess during one of the takes she was like crying a lot like like an acting cry yeah yeah and mike went up to her and he was like, Angelina, stop crying. He was like, you don't know this person. It's not sad.

It's scary. And she was like, okay, fine. Sorry. Like, I just was trying something. She's acting. Like, lighthearted. It was very, like, they have such a cute banter. Seeing him with them was really special. Yeah.

Because I feel like they just went through this like really specific crazy experience and like they're so close. You know like and they still take such good care of each other like he's such a loyal person. Yeah. In my experience like I think he likes to keep his people

close to him which is like so nice but yeah shooting in the water was like really Yeah. It's really hard about it did you did you do that a million times one million times yeah and the water's pretty warm when you first get into it right but after a while it just doesn't matter it's so cold and like running so the water's really shallow so we had to go pretty far out in order for it to be deep enough for me to like right right. Have enough water. Yeah. So I had to run like kind of far in to get to the beach.

And it was so hard. I was getting to the beach and my knees were like buckling and I was falling. And Mike was like, I really loved how you fell. And I was like, great. Cause I can't not fall. I was like,

that wasn't a choice. Like my body is literally like, I'm getting out of the water and the resistance is going away and I'm like collapsing but yeah body next day was a blob like were you so damn sore yeah I can't imagine I don't want I don't ever want to do that

and then for you to have to like emote like discovery shock disgust you know like all that was a lot it was all there too it was really good it was really good you know there was gonna be a lot it was all there too it was really good it was really good you know there was going to be a scene we can reveal at the end of fire island there was going to be the original climax was going to be so bowen gets on the ferry and like rides away and he's going home and there was going to be a scene where he jumped off the ferry and had to swim to like

james scully in the water they were going to have like a romantic moment and they had to cut it because why like the ph of the water was like it was too shallow for me to jump 20 feet up from from the water and it just was putrid rancid water yeah and so it was for good reason but i was a little bit like oh well you're like a bummer but then also like the logistics of having to do that you would have been i would have hated it. Yeah. Because it's not just one, we jump in the water and swim and we got it on film.

It's like that would have been maybe even two days. Two days. Yeah, totally. Totally. Yeah, that's intense. I'm glad you didn't have to go through that. Me too. Very, very glad. Oh my God.

Well, listen, will you put the good word in for Mike White to come on this podcast because like we want him of course are you kidding we would give him a very good interview

like it would be I feel like we could always just ask but like I feel like we need people to put it in his ear that's always the best way to go about it

I feel like he would A be a great guest and B love to talk to both of you we just we love him like truly what a treat both of you I mean well this has been him. Like, truly, what a treat, both of you.

I mean, well, this has been, Seriously. We're obsessed and it's not over yet. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City

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I have something, too. Okay. You go first as is tradition. This is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey, the White Lotus' Portia. I'm sorry, but like, Hailey, we love you, we stand, we support the girl,

and we support the girls, and we think that you are a young rising talent. But your character is fucking bugging me, boo. Like, what do you want? Because Adam DeMarco, guess what? Like, we saw what he did to Lucia in that last scene. Like, he it all the way down so i'm sorry but you know what like don't be derp a derp if you don't want to get fucked because you were being derp a derp and that's why he was giving you nice boy energy come forward come 30 seconds like you came to leo woodall you need to be giving we need

to turn the body out give sexual sexual energy forward, Portia. Then you would have gotten fucked by Albie. And everyone wants to get fucked by the king. I want to get fucked by the king's dad. 15 seconds. Albie with his curly hair and his beautiful skin. I am absolutely obsessed. And you know he's got that fuckboy energy because his father and his grandfather were fuckboys OG.

I don't think he's on any Porsche. Also, Jennifer Coolidge isn't even that bad of a boss. I would never want to. I wouldn't want to be her. Excuse me, though. I was watching her in the last episode, and Jennifer Coolidge goes over to her, and Tanya says to Porsche, you're having sex on the boat, aren't you? Work. And then walks away.

And I'm like, what's bad about this boss? She took you to Italy. She said, you don't even have to work. Just go whatever your thing is just stay at the resort and you're crying and upset and mad get over yourself girl if i showed up as her assistant and then the first thing she says to me in the lobby is you gotta get lost i'm like i'd be like what am i supposed to do no i'd be like perfect okay and you know she makes six figures no I'm sorry but as the assistant to Tanya to like a wealth yeah to like an old money person yeah yeah yeah

she's got half a billion dollars I think I think she's got like that's like part of the thing right yes yes and so yeah six figures maybe I would venture to guess like 90 grand just shy of saying okay so she needs some more income but the fact is like you're in italy on vacation and then she tells you get lost she's telling you to stay in your room which is the

only thing you're not supposed to do in sicily yeah but guess what then she didn't stay in her room and she's not fired right you know what i mean i'm just like hesitating yeah but guess what who's out and about she is she yeah that's true i mean listen i'm just saying like porsche i just i don't like the way she's doing albie yeah of course albie is a sweet sweet boy i'm waiting for the turn with him though you know what i think a lot of people think he's the killer that's what people are saying yeah i will say first season i wasn't really thinking about who the killer. That's what people are saying. Yeah. I will say first season, I wasn't really thinking about who the killer would be. Second, this season, I'm going, oh, the tension is

being so perfectly dialed up for everybody that I'm like, it could be any of them and that's the fun of the mystery. Ooh, I'll tell you what I hated. I hated when Cameron touched Harper's leg. I hated that. Revolting.

And what bothered me the most was that I think Harper liked it a little bit. And then I was putting myself in Harper's shoes and I was like, ugh, that is that fucking douchebag that is like, ugh, like, why are you making me think about this?

He's very good at playing that guy. That kind of person. He's so good. He's so good. And he's British, I didn't realize. Or Australian? He's British and so is Will.

Well, let me tell you. The accent work is... It's very good. And they're both gorgeous men. Truly. Very handsome. The whole cast. Beauts. Period. All around. Well, that's how I feel about Miss Portia. I have a non-White Lotus

one. That's actually fine. We've talked so much about it. So this is Bell and Yang's I Don't Think So Honey as time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey paper towels and bathrooms that are stacked on the tray

loose. Oh yeah, that's so bad. You have to pull down because otherwise the only choice you have to make with wet hands is grab too many. No one has the wherewithal

to only pluck one or two which is all you really need but everyone gets a little greedy in the bathroom no one is above it no one is above it that is the human condition it's gotta be in the dispenser so you can only pull down you have to only be able to pull down on the paper towel

you cannot grab up do you know what I'm saying am I making sense we have to fix this this is single handedly going to kill the planet grab up. Do you know what I'm saying? Am I making sense? Yes, I know. We have to fix this. This is single-handedly going to kill the planet. 15 seconds. It's not billionaires. It's not

corporations. It's us. It's individuals in the bathroom grabbing stacks and stacks of PTs. Five seconds. There's no overcoming it in the human nature of it. And that's one minute. You know what else is annoying?

When you with wet hands go into the thing or grab from the side and then you leave. You realize you've made the whole stack wet, wet with your own germs. And then other people will. Yeah. And another thing. Yeah. If a bunch of paper towels are all wet, then you probably are going to take all those wet paper towels and throw them out and waste them

and then make a mess when you're drying your hands. And it's just this cyclical thing. Exactly. Get them off the tray, away from the sink, put them in the dispenser. Yeah, but then I'm going to say something else. So you want to just bypass the paper towels altogether and go to the dryer.

But now the dryers nowadays are not cut and dry. It's not just a hole that you put your hands under and they go. It's like those weird verticals, the diagonal ones, the Dyson ones. Where am I supposed to put my hands to activate this? I'm like this. I'm like doing the fucking Moffy Raina. I'm voguing in front of it trying to get my hands dry. This is me trying to get the electric soap thing to work. And I'm like, am I crazy?

And then you start moving from sink to sink, just moving your hands under the thing, hoping that it will come out. I mean, what are we supposed to do? What are we doing? Also, automatic toilet flushers? No thanks, I got it. No thanks. I can take care of this myself. You're missing your cue, hun.

Yeah, hello. Get the stage manager in here. And then, like, of course, they all have the little button, which I'll tell you, I did not realize. I thought when it was an automatic flusher, there was not an option to flush yourself. I also just learned this. Really? I'm telling you, I'm so happy.

I have many anxious moments in public restrooms where I'm like, I'm going to walk out of here. And it's going to be my ruin. The toilet has not flushed. Yeah. And someone is waiting. Yeah. And I can't stay in here anymore. So I'm like, I'm going to walk out of here. And it's going to be my ruin. The toilet has not flushed. Yeah. And someone is waiting. Yeah. And I can't stay in here anymore. So I just have to go.

Bye. And then you run out. But you have to wash your hands. You have to wash your hands. And then that's an obstacle. Oh my God. Oh my God. I remember when there was a whole plot point in Grey's Anatomy season two.

By the way, she just announced she's done. I know. Good for her. Did you hear that? Yeah. It's time to walk away at 19 seasons. Ugh. Love that woman. Listen.

One of the best episodes of television. Was what? Was Callie didn't wash her hands. She's a surgeon. Oh, that was big drama. That was Pete Graves when it was dramedy.

When it was kind of a comedy, kind of a drama. Were you ever on Graves? I was never on it. Why did I think you guest starred on Graves? I love that. First of all.

You give guest starred on Grey's energy. Yeah. Well, I think I saved all of my guest star wish energy for SVU. Oh. I see. Yes. And were you multiple times? Just once.

Just once. Was it a good one? It was a very good one. What was it? I had a chess piece that said, one wild ride. Okay. Fuck. Yeah.

Oh my God. And a kid. Yes. Damn. Who were your scene partners? Mariska? Yeah. It was Mariska.

Oh, wow. Amazing. And Kelly. And Kelly is a legend. What is the Mariska vibe? A queen. Yeah. She was so lovely to me.

She also is deeply funny. Oh, yeah. I buy that. I buy that. Was like ripping jokes all day, which is kind of genius when you think about it. It's probably a very necessary thing for her to do. Otherwise, you'll go. Because the show is so heavy and dark.

She just had everybody cracking up the whole day. And she was just great and dark. She just had everybody cracking up the whole day and she was just great. Lovely. Well, now we're going to crack open a new I Don't Think So Honey with Megan.

Do you have a topic? I do. I'm nervous that I can't speak about it for a minute, but let's see what happens. No, no. You're going to do it. People find that they have

so much more to say than they ever could think about these things that nag at them. It's a little controversial. I talked to my friend Shelby about it on my way here. It's the best time. People find that they have so much more to say than they ever could think about these things that nag at them. A little controversial. I talked to my friend Shelby about it on my way here. It's the best.

She disagrees with what I'm about to say. Okay, well, that's good. May or may not be the end of our friendship. We love discord. We love discourse. Discord and discourse. Yeah. Title of app.

Okay. Maybe not. All right. This is Megan Faze. I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now phase i don't think so honey her time starts now i don't think so honey hot coffee oh okay drag it no please i wear a knife and he gave me hot i was like i'll just take it no hot coffee is a scam yeah hot coffee is never hot yeah and beyond that as a society we do nothing to support coffee being hot. Have you ever been in a restaurant and asked for a hot coffee and had it served to you in a device that is meant to help that thing stay hot?

No. The only thing it's supposed to be is hot. And they're giving us paper mugs. They're giving us glass whatever. No. Porcelain nothing. 30 seconds. It doesn't keep it hot. Yes, whatever. No. Porcelain, nothing. 30 seconds. It doesn't keep it hot.

Yes, yes. I always get iced coffee because it comes cold and it stays cold and I like to know what I'm in for. And you're an ally. 15 seconds.

It sounds really great but this coffee that I have right here was warm for 15 seconds and now it's not even cold. It's like tepid. It's disgusting. This is freezing cold.

Five seconds in my head. Yeah, exactly. So I think that America runs on Dunkin, but does it? That's one minute. That's a rule of culture. Is that rule of culture number one number? Is that again?

Six. Six. America runs on Duncan, but does it? Badass like found dead. All right, wait. This actually is a huge moment because now you're a true ally because as we know, gay people are iced coffee. And so that's something important to say.

And also, I want to reveal something. So when I was younger, when I was a little boy, I was in sixth grade, my science fair experiment was what type of container would keep something hot or cold the longest?

The answer? Styrofoam. And if you drink out of styrofoam, you're going to get sick and you're going to poison the environment. Everything else, the results were so bleak. Hot things became cold very quickly. So fast. So fast.

And that's the thing with hot. It becomes cold. It becomes cold. That's the thing with hot. That's the thing with hot. It becomes cold. My thing lately, just one little shot of espresso. You take it to the head and then you don't have to worry about it cooling or anything. Yeah.

It's just hot. That's so European. It's very Italian. It's very Italian. And I kind of feel it feels right. Even if I drink coffee, I don't know if it's really hitting the receptors anymore. Yeah. Now that we're used to cold brew, I think it's time to move on.

I really do. From cold brew? As a culture. Why? It's driving us crazy. Oh, honey, I knew that. If I have two, I'm a killing machine. There you go.

I'm not even kidding. Yeah. Why is it like lighter fluid? Like what is happening with the caffeine level someone said to me yesterday i'm on my second cold brew and i looked down at my phone it was 9 45 a.m like what no one's ever like i'm glad i did that no when i didn't know what cold brew was when i didn't know it was different than iced coffee i once drank two like in a row i thought it was a panic attack i felt like I was on Molly. I felt like I was fucking,

you know, the boys in White Lotus. Yeah. Well, that's a great way to process two cold brews. I think if I did that, I would start like sweating and crying. It was like that. I mean,

it was like a not good experience. And I was like, okay, can't do that again. Now I understand. Like, I just didn't realize. I thought that cold brew was a new name. We were giving ice that's what i know no no no i was wrong you were deeply

wrong can we talk about really quickly because you just you brought up the boys on molly i'm obsessed with the girls but sabrina or simona sorry simona tabasco lucia yeah she's she's really star she is tearing excellent star just alive in every moment also not for nothing but like she didn't speak much english when she started the show and i hate that i'm thinking about this but i'm like i couldn't give uh i if i was acting in a different in a language that i did not speak that well i don't know that i would be able to like give it this like that's the thing that's so impressive about her presence and what she brings to the character because i can't even imagine how difficult that would have been for her like nobody in her family speaks english wow she learned so much and even just like when i saw her for the premiere she's like

so good oh yeah i mean she's and just like as an actress like watching her I'm just like you've got the special thing where like you just walking across the frame is like

effective like it just does something she's alive in every moment there was a moment where she went over to the bar to order a drink and just the way

that she was behaving I was like this girl is really good she's really alive in every moment the two of them together are hilarious just the way that she was behaving. I was like, this girl is really good. Just in her body. Yeah. She's really alive and in her body. The two of them together are hilarious. So,

cute story. They are really close friends in real life. They're on like an Italian show together. Oh. They put each other on tape for their respective roles. Oh my God. I could cry.

And Mike had no idea and cast them without knowing. That is so fun. Isn't that so sweet that's so nice they put each other on tape for it i could cry i know wow but you know what i think i remember i remember i think they might have mentioned that in the interview that i was watching with sabrina because they were all sort of like talking about how the italian style of acting is actually very different from the american style of acting the italian style of acting is more like you really play give an emotion and you give like a picture whereas like the american style of acting is obviously like you know we're really delving into the being and the living as the person yeah you know it's just

different in italy right and so this was a different opportunity for them because it was they nail it all yeah and i'm saying like there's so much going on under the surface and i'm just like really having a blast watching them i'm super excited for the three of them i really am too it's really cool and you know what's interesting you say that she didn't speak english that well because even in this interview that i watched of them like there was a couple times that she just starts speaking italian because you can tell she's not comfortable with the language and it's funny because on the show it seems like her character lucia is more comfortable speaking english than mia meanwhile that actress whose

name is pietrice yeah pietrice yes she's stunning so god she actually speaks almost perfect english she does in the show she has a hard time speaking English yeah excellent isn't that interesting yeah it's a character choice it's like Lucia's

a bit more like yeah freewheeling and then Mia's a little bit more like it's probably because she's had to enterprise a lot with American guests

right exactly and we were also talking about how we love the depiction of sex work in the show as just something that these people do. You know what I mean?

It's not like shamed in any way. Even the American guests, like, of course, they refer to them as hookers, like whatever. There's still that like a little bit of whatever. But the show is very like these are girls that this is what they do for a living. They're not ashamed of it. And, of course, like later on in the season, you see that their reality is a little dark with whoever, Alessio, who was ever managing their operation. But it's a very respectful portrayal. Yeah, I don't think Mike is commenting on it.

No. They're just characters whose job is in sex work. Yeah. So I think that's unique. It's not like they don't exist to comment on that dynamic. There's no commentary, which is great. And also, what I love is that those characters seem to be the bridge

for all of the people, for all the characters. Like, they're the ones who have the most mobility in terms of like, getting out of the different groups. Yeah.

That's such a great way of storytelling in this season. We're obsessed, Megan. Yeah, I texted Bill and I'm like, the characters are overlapping! It's happening!

I'm so excited! Like, the way that everyone is now, because I've been waiting for that, and it's also like a beautiful slow burn. Yeah. You know who I really think, though, is gonna be like the breakout of the whole thing is Leo.

Like, fully, I think he's gonna be like James Bond. For sure! He's got it, too. He. For sure. Do you know what I mean? He has that. He's got it too. Yeah. He has an effortless sex appeal charm on camera. He pops his like beautiful light eyes. I mean.

He's absolutely stunning. George. And also it's like if there was going to be a character that like pulls you away, again, perfect casting. Of course it's going to. You know what I mean? It's like if I'm with someone and like dating them every single day of a trip and then that guy comes in yeah who's not leaving with that literally watch me be poor shit and then i don't think so any myself take it back

i get it like you're a human woman girl like come on it's unbelievable anyway the white lotus is obviously airing on hbo you can stream it via hbo max is it sunday nights sunday nights yeah sunday nights and the fucking breakout star is Megan Fahey and we're so excited that you came on the show. Thank you so much for coming. Are you kidding me? This was so fun. You guys are unbelievable. Thank you

for having me. And did you know that we didn't even talk about how we literally met at Vulture Fest like several years ago. Did you remember that? We interviewed the Bull Type cast. We interviewed you guys. Wait. Yeah, that was us. We were the video interviewers

from Vulture. 2018. This was after Meghan Markle got married. The day that Meghan Markle got married. It was when we met you, Aisha, and Katie.

Oh my God. That was us. That was us. Wow. And we didn't even talk about how I met you at Betty Who's concert at the Fonda.

Yes. That I did remember. That was the night met you at Betty Who's concert at the Fonda. Yes. That I did remember. That was the night I got with Jared. Yeah. This is so funny. History. Personal history. It's all a very small world.

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