Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Barracuda Nights" (w/ Bob The Drag Queen)

Episode Date: August 12, 2020

Did you readers want a legendary episode, or no? Gonna have to assume you answer YES to that one so here we go, baby! It's an ep with BOB THE DRAG QUEEN! Wow, how about a glimpse back at the nights at Barracuda lounge where Matt and Bowen discovered the greatness that is Bob? You will have your jaw on tha GROUND when Bob tells our hosts about how Kathy Najimy was lowkey RuPaul's intro to Bob's talent. All this and ALSO: drag culture in NYC, Bob's iconic Snatch Game performance as TWO different characters (let's go, trailblazer of the form!), HBO's Emmy-nominated We're Here starring Bob, Shangela and Eureka O'Hara, performing in red states as a drag artist, Whoopi Goldberg's influence, the legend that is Bebe Zahara Benet, how Tony Kushner came to cast Bob in Angels In America and sooooo much more. Damn, I just wrote this up and now I want to listen again (hi, it's Matt!). But more importantly? You listen...NOW! xo! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. Hi, Bowen. And can I say hi from the next room? Hi from the next room.

So this is the current layout. This is the soundscape, literally. Give it to him. I'm in my bedroom recording on my dresser. My setup, my fantasy, I should say, is on my dresser. I mic my laptop. And then Matt's in the other room, in my living room, where I normally set for these podcast recordings. I'm in Brooklyn, New York, everyone. He's in town. He's communing with his parents. So get this. The hurricane, which name was Isaiah's.

I don't know if that, that S is silent, but yeah, let's, let's go with that. Isaiah, the hurricane that just happened really rocks long Island y'all. And sort of took the internet away from my parents.

Um, and, uh, so I've traversed into Brooklyn to record with Bo and Yang and we are in separate rooms doing that. And as we really had a wonderful time, anytime I can see you, you know, I've traversed into Brooklyn to record with Bo and Yang, and we were in separate rooms doing that. And we really had a wonderful time. Anytime I can see you.

You know, the second you came into my apartment, we started putting on Notes on a Scandal. It felt like old times. We did start to watch Notes on a Scandal. Now, why did we do that? Because we got it in our heads that, or actually a listener, a reader, DMed Matt pitching the idea that we should do a reading of notes on a scandal yes and as some like benefit function or something and then we

were like that's a great idea but then in watching notes on a scandal we thought this is not so great of an idea because it's very much a film and in a reading of it would not go so great so we thought what's a play we could read yes and so we're still exploring our options and we'll let you know if we arrive at something. No, no, no. That's actually an untruth. We know exactly what play we're going to read. But we're not going to give it away now. We're not going to give it away here, unless you want to. That's brutal. I think we should. Okay. All right.

Some of the readers don't know this, but Bowen Yangen yang and i wrote a play it's called night soap night soap we did it at ours nova years ago ours nova years ago it was bowen and yang and i actually it was we were fully in drag ruby ru shout out to ruby ru shout out ruby ru head to togeesh so that we could do a show calledap, which is a play in three acts. And it was basically a high point of Bowen and I's artistic career. I had never had that much fun writing something and then realizing it and just fully start to finish, have it sort of actualized. And we read it again tonight when we realized Notes on a Scandal is not going to work and we're going to do it again soon. I don't know. I don't understand your hesitance. Well, I feel like we I feel like we have other logistical things to like nail down before before we start to like announce. But no, this is great. I love this sort of you mean such

as a date and time and everything like that. Yes, yes, yes. You know, I want to firm up those details before we make announcements, but I'm happy that we're doing it now. I really am. The readers should know we're going to do a live reading of Bowen and I's play, Night Soap, where we are two warring... What would you... What is the plot of the show? We're two warring matriarchs of chocolate empires. It's very much... It's like War Paint meets Dynasty meets Dallas.

Literally, yes. That's the elevator pitch. It's really fun. We're really... You you know we read it back and it's it's it still makes us laugh so hopefully we'll remount it for everybody um but gosh what else oh i famously everyone knows i try to get matt to read books matt texts me yesterday goes i finally read a book i read a book you guys okay so my i'm spending time with my parents and they have no internet so there was a book around the house it was mary l trump's book so this is the niece of trump and it's her book which is too much and never enough read it a thrilling read you you liked it i did like it you have you

had a lot of takeaways i have tons of takeaways because i feel that people have not in in trying to understand him which is kind of a lost whatever, but you could sort of start to understand what we're dealing with here by looking at his development. And the man had a psychopath father. So basically the guy had no capacity for human empathy, et cetera. So Donald never learned that. And so what we're dealing with now

is someone who learned how to be a quote-unquote killer in business from his father and i don't know just just to not to expand on this much further if you don't want to read the book whatever i get it some of some people might think there might be different um i don't know what would you call it intention behind her writing the book but basically it's interesting in understanding what we're dealing with here well what's interesting i mean you were telling me about this. We don't have to get too deep into it, but you were saying that one of the things that Mary says is that it's wild and sort of dissociative and unsettling how we're all sort of-

Catering to one man's identity. Catering to one man's identity and whims and all this stuff. And it's like, oh yeah, that's so fra- like that's, what a wild sort of inversion of the way this country is like supposed to work if we're all just like cathected with like one person's behavior. It's terrifying. Do you know what I think is so funny, too, before we introduce the guest, which is truly an iconic moment in lost culture history. Let me just say one thing. Anyone that's like, yeah, well, she's just trying to sell a book. Here's the thing about when you write a book, you want it to sell. You want people to read it. So anyone that's like, oh, she just wrote this book to sell a book. Yes, that's part of that's how this works. You write a book. No, no. When I write a book, I want it to not sell.

I want it to be like Max Bialystock producers producers i don't want it to sell at all interesting point i hadn't thought about it no i know i i know what you're saying look i read a book i found it interesting if you want to read it too go fucking do it if you don't i don't care what makes me mad is that this is a book that i this is not one of the books that i told you to read i have many books that i want you to read and you have not read a single one no my next book i'm going to read is trick mirror it was just gonna it was gonna, weeks, weeks, weeks in the future. And this was the book that was right in front of me. But I have a I have a good list. But here's the thing. I don't want anyone to do anything other than listen to this next podcast for the next hour or so, because

this is somebody that Las Culturistas is honored to have. This is somebody that we have, I know it's a little too recent to say this, but I feel like there's a place that you and I and a lot of other New Yorkers, let's say, can be like, we can talk from a place and reminisce from a place of like, gosh, remember the days of Barracuda, like Monday nights at midnight, which meant that our guests would show up at one o'clock

to do her show, and she would give you stand-up bits and jokes and the house down boots, and then go into the most genius mixes. And we would go, and it was just this event every week to go see Bob. It was such a ritual for a lot of people, I think, at the time.

I'd say the peak of, a peak of being in New York and gay in New York would be, in terms of like our friends, like going to see Bob the Drag Queen perform Monday nights at midnight at Barracuda Lounge, which I got to tell him that I was a fan of when he did my show, Game Show, several months ago,

which came out on Quibi. You can watch it if you want. It's there. It's out there. And I think that Bob the Drag Queen's episode with Darcy Carton is one of my very favorites. But basically, I do remember when we had been going to see Bob the Drag Queen perform every Monday night

at midnight at Barracuda Lounge, all of a sudden, one day, Bob wasn't there. And we knew exactly where Bob went. Yes. And we knew exactly how that would go. And it did come to pass. And the rest was, as they say, herstory. Herstory.

So everyone, please welcome to your ears. He's a drag artist, an activist, an Emmy-nominated, on an Emmy-nominated show, We're Here and RuPaul's Drag Race, for that matter. Which we happened to watch just hours ago and shedding tears. Fantastic.

Everyone, please welcome to your ears, Bob the Drag Queen. Hi, Bob. Those were such nice things you all said about me. Well, there are things that we feel. I didn't know you felt so warmly. I wanted to say real quick. We feel so warmly.

You know, Matt, there's no shame in listening to books. I think there's a stigma that goes with listening to books. And I read really slowly. For whatever reason, I just read really slow. Slowly. I can't read it. Whenever I'm watching the TV and then the words come up, like the epilogue or the prologue or something, and the words, I start panicking. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. It's going to be gone. And then everyone else is like, got it. words come up like the epilogue or the prologue or something and the words i start panicking i'm

like no no no it's gonna be gone and then everyone else like got it and i'm like i need i'll like pause i'm like my brain just doesn't work that way or if i read i fall asleep a lot of times for some reason the only place i can read and not fall asleep is on the new york city subway which is probably from an innate fear of being stabbed. But I have started listening to books and it's a really great way to get the information and you can just do so much stuff. The multitasking is real. Yeah, yeah.

I got to do it. The thing is, I've always been such a music person and also I have trouble committing to anything long form. Like my boyfriend has the hardest time getting me to commit to any movie. Like I can't even watch a movie that's like over an hour and a half but um yeah i mean i need to do it i also think there's something nice about just holding a book in your hands and reading a fucking book which i was enjoying i'm not that old school i don't have any nostalgia for books there people

like i just love i think books are kind of a waste of resources and space i look at a library and i think, oh my God, all the books in this library could be on like five iPads. Meanwhile, this big building, there's like 85 homeless people living on this block. And this huge building could have been used for something a little bit more resourceful.

And I understand that libraries are more than just books or also computers and resources and and and but i'm saying move out those books you can make room for more resources there we go and also let's face it let's face it some of those books are never getting read not ever in their goddamn book life or some of those except right now you just read those old ass books yeah those books and i reveled in it i want to single-handedly take down the book i'm it's a lonely fight taking down the book the the paperback and the hardcover book industry but someone's gotta someone's gotta fight this fight they're not good for the environment there

and there they are found dead i mean my thing with with audiobooks is that i i find that i don't absorb the information as well as I should be. Like, I feel like it's... My ears glaze over sooner than my eyes do, or more easily than my eyes do. And I'm just like, okay, I can just detach from the attention span. But, I mean, I see value in both. I do want to destroy libraries. Only private ones.

The public ones can stay. There's a huge cropping of private libraries, y'all, in this country. Is this a real thing? No, I totally made that up. I was like, Bowen, what in the Connecticut

is a private library? They would in Connecticut. Wait, but Bob, okay, talk about do do you have a, I'm speaking of nostalgia. You're not nostalgic for books. Do you have a nostalgia for like Barracuda days at all? I feel like those were like the days. Yeah, no, for sure. I really miss Barracuda.

You know, so I did drag before I was Bob the Drag Queen. I did drag under the name Kitten with a Whip for a really long time, actually. Yes. Not really long, like three or four years I was Kitten with a Whip. And then I moved to Barr under the name Kitten with a Whip for a really long time, actually. Not really long, like three or four years I was Kitten with a Whip. And then I moved to Barracuda as Kitten with a Whip, and about like two months in, I switched over to Bob the Drag Queen, and something

just took off. Something ticked, and then people just started loving it. And you know, Monday nights at Barracuda were really legendary. Before me was Peppermint. Peppermint hosted for six years. And before Peppermint, it was Candint hosted for six years. And before Peppermint, it was Candace Kane for 10 years. So for 19 years, there had only

been three hosts of Monday Nights at Barracuda. And I did it for three years before going on to RuPaul's Drag Race. And it was just one of those nights that was just like, it really taught me so much about stand-up, about myself, about myself as a performer. It gave me a

real grounding connection to my community and it was one of the back in the day back in my day when you would you know when if a queen got a show barracuda she was the one she was like one of the best goddamn drag queens in new york city it was like a stamp of whether you were good or not if you got a job barracuda everyone just assumed you were and then you could make it make it up later and figure out how to be good yeah the the person the people who turned us on to you was our dear friends josh harp and aaron jackson who i think i love them yeah they're the best we actually just saw josh in the park we just we just went out to the park to see josh but they were like you have to come to barracuda on monday nights and they were the funniest people that we knew

because we came up at UCB and doing the whole improv thing, doing sketch, et cetera. And they were the funniest gays that we knew. And they said, bar none, the funniest comedy show in New York is by the drag queen. Oh, and they were not wrong.

They were not wrong. And this was at the height of like the sort of rumor mill circuit. Like this was like the legend. At this point it's legend legend but like everyone just like the scuttlebutt being like oh my god like rupaul was in disguise at barracuda and tipped bob a hundred dollars like can you believe it and like all this stuff like well the rumors were around what ended up actually happening was rupaul came to the monster in the west village. Yes, yes. And she asked for me at the door. She was like, is Bob the drag queen here?

And then, but she didn't tip me. She just kind of hid in the back. Yeah. And, you know, that was really interesting too. Like, I was on a cruise ship once with Zack Noytowers. I don't know if you all know Zack Noytowers. Oh, yeah, we love Zack. Who's my roommate here in LA, by the way.

Oh, really? Tell me. Yes, yes, he is. But we were on this cruise ship, and then Kathy Najimy was on the cruise and saw my show. And she was like, this is just the funniest show. You need to come meet me by the French fries. So I went to the buffet, and I met her by the French fries. And then she goes, have you ever thought about doing Repulse Drag Race?

And I was like, mom, everyone thinks about doing Repulse Drag Race. She goes, wait one second. And then she calls a number you ever thought about doing RuPaul's Drag Race? And I was like, mom, everyone thinks about doing RuPaul's Drag Race. She goes, wait one second. And then she calls a number, but no one answers. She goes, you didn't answer, but listen, RuPaul, I'm sitting here with some drag queen named Bob, and she's going to be the next winner of your show. So call me back. You want to know about this queen. Wow. So I got this verified, actually, because I was – this is a long story, but long story short, I ended up on What's the Tea. I actually was on it with Rue. And before that, I was like, you know, I used to go see Bob like on Monday nights at Barracuda. And Rue was like, you know, I had been hearing all about Bob the Drag Queen and I knew I had to get down there. And I saw that show and I was ripped up. I thought it was the most amazing thing.

And then Rue was also talking about how around that time was when because I think it was season six when Sissy That Walk was like the song of the runway, right? Yeah. It's a great Instagram. I was there. I was in the room. It was wild. Yeah.

And so people were like, basically the girls were like walking the runway too and rip and like cutting it up just to see that walk i'll tell you the exact story so rupaul walks in wearing this big bubble coat and it's like bucket hat and asked the door the doorman is bob is bob the drag queen performing tonight and then the guy was like yeah and then one of the bartenders was gay because you know the doorman is always straight some bartender goes oh my god that's that's rupaul and then runs downstairs and then it's like don't tell anyone to the manager don't tell anyone but rupaul's here and then the manager goes oh my god then runs to me and says don't tell anyone as if you were not the person to tell that rupaul's here. I said, oh my gosh. I ran to the DJ and I said, girl, don't tell anyone.

But you should know RuPaul's here. Then he goes, I'm going to play Sissy that Walk. I was like, do not. He was like, I'm going to play it. Then you hear dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. And then out of nowhere, all the, because there are a lot of drag queens that show up to look queen. And so they like kind of did like a soul train line they made an aisle and then all these queens just start doing this this is that walk we started walking and dancing and everyone's singing the

song live and rupaul is just in the back corner just listening to it watching all of us like go off to the song so rue is under the impression that no one knew that rue was there and i kind of was as he was telling me that i was like i don't know you're very inconspicuous in ruse the patrons didn't know but everyone who worked there gotcha which is kind of best case scenario that's the best setup for it anyway it's like the audience might as well be in for a surprise but as long as they didn't like create anxiety for the performers then that's like and that's how you do i get excited pressure i i work i do really well under pressure um i get really excited at the opportunity to perform or to be goofy or silly or make someone that i look up to laugh i'm like when i met whoopi goldberg i was excited i wasn't like

i hope i don't say anything dumb i was like i hilarious. How was Whoopi to work with? Okay, I did not work with Whoopi. Let's go back, Bo and Yang. I don't want to give the impression that maybe Whoopi did a movie together. I have been, like, Whoopi did the 50th anniversary of the riot. And I was there for that. So she introduced me me but we didn't do a sister act or anything and i went to her birthday party and i went to her to the view so we've hung out every time but we have not worked together i wish i would say i would say that there's there's a semi-professional

capacity there i mean we were both being we were both professionally paid to be there that evening so in that regard and we also both did uh barclays for the pride kickoff yeah that was last last summer was a good summer that was a good summer wasn't it what's wrong with this one well there wasn't one um i will ask were you as sure as we were as your fans that you would dominate that season of drag race or how nervous were you to go in there because season eight this was this was like after season six seven the show had hit like a peak in terms of like it was huge like within the gay community it had yet to hit like the season nine season 10 levels of like everyone in the mainstream was talking about it but this was a huge fucking deal but still you had to feel pretty good i would

think from watching seven was the first season to be emmy nominated i believe eight my season was the first season to win an emmy so we had just started getting any buzz around my season of rupaul's drag race those facts may be a little off but my season was i'm almost positive the first season to win and we won uh bestume. Zaldi won Best Costume. Zaldi, yeah. And I don't know if you know Zaldi. Zaldi's an amazing fashion designer based out of LA or New York.

One of the two. Anyway, that's not the point. But I've always had a really strange sense of confidence. I really think I'm really great at stuff. My mom always told me I could do anything except sing. My mom always told me I could do anything except sing. My mom assured me that I could do everything except sing.

And I believed her. My mom told me I was the best. I really believed her for a really, really long time. And that's also just kind of a demonstration of what it looks like when you encourage your children instead of knock them down. I mean, look at someone like Gigi Goode whose mom helps her and makes her costume and she went on to be in the finals of RuPaul's Drag Race.

And when you tear your kids down, it's hard for them. Your parents can break you in a way that you can't, that you can't, sometimes can't recover from. There's a lot of work to recover from. And my mom really, really built me up. And I'm just so lucky that, that I ended up with Martha Caldwell in my corner. So when I got the call,

I was pretty sure I had won Drag Race. This was before I even saw it. And then when I walked in and saw the competition, I was like, oh, I definitely... Because you had some competitors there, I mean, to be fair to the rest of them. No, there were great competitors. Kim Chi was amazing. I mean, you had Miss Naomi. They were very Thorgy Thor, Acid Betty. There are lots of amazing drag queens. I just think I just in my mind, I'm thinking myself, I'm just more suited for this particular challenge. Not that I'm better than them.

But in terms of what this requires, I think I'm I think I'm suited better than they are. Well, you know, and people have pointed this out, but there was no development storyline with you. There was no thing of like, oh, well, Bob's bob's come in and you know there's he's got some work to do here it's like that wasn't really a thing well they tried to do like a um bob learns how to do makeup but i just didn't get any better so they had to let that storyline go but then you couldn't even dispute that like bob like couldn't put together an outfit from like raw materials because like you did purse first on the first episode and then it was like right well yeah but you like you like made a look

out of curtains and then like it and then you were like okay well bob can sew and then bob is a comedy queen and bob can you know do all these different things and uh the i mean historic snatch game where you did two people like it was just was just a very boundary-breaking season. Trailblazer! Trailblazing. Yeah, well, thank you. I mean, it was also one of the things where I would go in and say, people are like, why did they let you do two Snatch Games? And I was like, well, I didn't ask. I just did it.

I just did it. And I remember thinking, if they don't like it, they'll probably stop down production and tell me to switch back. But in the meantime, I'm just gonna fucking do it. I snuck the Carol in under my prison uniform yeah no way as long as rue is laughing everything goes like i i have talked to some gays out there that are like because i've spoken with some gays and very few of them are like i've been speaking with gays very few of them are like well i think it should be one character the whole time and i'm like bitch no if you are

being funny during snatch game and you're killing it and you can whip out another like ultra ego or another performance you should do that the whole thing is like a performance of comedy so well to those cases you can tell that bob the drag queen who is a professional disagrees but also the real i really love to do that but also the thing is like girl i mean the the rule always says the only rule in snatch game is make me laugh that's the only rule make me laugh yeah just make me laugh and i was like well i got that that's that's i can do that for sure yeah i mean the best the best thing that is and also i think people are now kind of annoyed at the idea of people switching it up because now people are like now now folks are like oh someone's

trying to do that bob thing. It's kind of like when after Sasha did the rose petals then Asia does butterflies and everyone's like, now it's too much. And I don't believe that you should be trying to do stunts. I think you should really think them through. I'm from New York City. We pull stunts in New York

City all the time. I used to go to see Thorgy at the Ritz at a party called Saliva every Tuesday. And I once saw a girl go as far as to shit an apple out of her ass and i was like so if y'all think some butterflies are a stunt bitch come to new york city you don't know what a fucking stunt is go to this and that on a fucking wednesday night and see what a fucking stunt and come see the circus all right tnt i wonder if this is a thing that's specific within drag or within the queer community as like the appraisal, the appraisers of like any particular art form.

But it's like, it goes so quickly from being, something goes so quickly from being like innovative to being like a gimmick that I'm just like, if more time can be like afforded to like watch something be developed over a longer period of time without people writing it off so quickly is like, I mean, the Asia thing was tragic, but i was kind of like thinking in the back of my head like oh but like i also wish that like if that was successful that would have been

kind of great even though it didn't match any of those janet jackson songs but like yeah it just that it just that it wasn't completely well thought out and maybe if maybe if she had like at least 100 butterflies as opposed to like three or four butterflies. I don't think she realizes how many butterflies you would need to actually make an impact. Yes. Like I was in that dressing room when Sasha LaLure was putting those rose petals in that wig. We were sitting literally side by side. And she was, what you all don't realize is this actually.

Here's a little behind the scenes tea. So Sasha had different numbers planned. She had completely different number of plans. She had some scissors in her garter in case she got crazy which the other girls got. So she was going to start cutting the wig up and do this whole crazy number. Right, right, right, right.

And then she had the rose petals in the wig for How Will I Know and I think she had one other thing. So she had the rose petals in the wig for How Will I Know? And I think she had one other thing. So she had a different number planned for both ones. So that was not just her. It wasn't her being like, no matter what, I'm doing rose petals. It was like, I'm doing rose petals for specific.

She came up with a How Will I Know number. Then she came up with a crazy number. Yeah, she had a fully realized thing for both the whitney and britney number so so another thing that i think people are not really thinking about when they say oh well saja had that stunt that was also an amazing lip sync and she was emotionally keyed right into it and i think whenever people reduce that to a stunt i'm like look at that woman performing like she is right on the she is emotionally living it and that like ripping of her wig off into the rose petals like worked with the lyrics worked with the tone of the song like completely she

started off with the rose petals saying yeah does he love me does he love you now you know you ever seen the old thing yes he loves me he loves me. He loves me. And Whitney Houston said in the song, if he loves me, if he loves me not, then there's more rogue fellas in the sleeve. And then more rogue. So it actually was a really cleverly, it was really well done. It was like she always does. Like it was a performance piece.

Like it was a fully realized performance. She wasn't trying to lip sync against anyone. She was just doing the number. Yes. Yes. Yes. Speaking of numbers, let's talk about We're Here. So we... Yes.

I was thinking about this today. And what I love about the show is that it's not you, Eureka and Shangela, being of service necessarily to people. You guys are definitely... I think you're all resources, to be sure, for everybody, for all the charges that you sort of bring in and look over, but I feel like it's a show that's just about performance. It's just about, it's about expression, obviously,

but I like that it's a show where you're not like, the end result is not like a furnished house or like a skin regime or something. Oh, well, I mean, the difference between this and Queer Eye, you ask a lot. First of all, the stuff we're giving them is completely unusable. Like, what are you going to do with this fucking costume besides where maybe once a year? And that's the first year is getting kind of old.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, what the hell are we are you going to do with this? Like, we can't use this stuff. It's completely unusable. But we are making these really great connections with people and building, helping them build us as a community and amplifying the voices of, especially when we amplify the voices of marginalized people. Like, I can't get over Nate and Lady Suge. I don't know if you watched them all yet, but if you have not watched them all, I suggest you watch Farmington. Nate and Lady Suge from the Navajo Nation in Shiprock in New Mexico.

That episode is just... It was amazing. That was the Mrs. Bride of Frankenstein thing? Yeah, that was the Bride of Frankenstein number. And people don't realize this. Me and Chantel and Eureka, we come up with those numbers. Yeah.

I figured you must have. There's no team that does them and we just act like we did it. No, we choose the songs. We come up with the numbers we go to the design teams we explain the costume we want we go to the set builders we talk to her tell her what outfit we want what set we want and we build each number it's so conceptual they're so conceptual um and they're and they're wonderful but yes no i that episode is so like i i mean, I kind of have this crazy sort of like, emotionless experience

as a viewer for most things. But like, there. I mean, I mean, you really just sort of get choked up. I mean, I just kind of put it in context with the fact that there are these communities in these parts of the country where you would, where any coastal elite would think that like, oh, you know know like twin falls idaho is missing something that new york has but it's like but that's not necessarily true like there are these there are the people there to like build out these communities that would be in place anywhere else yeah it is it's a microcosm of a microcosm you know what i mean so the drag world is a microcosm of the real world and then you have twin falls idaho which is a microcosm of the real world. And then you have Sven Falzado, which is a microcosm of like a New York City drag scene.

It's like a smaller version of it. And I think that it really feels great to be a part of something that feels really impactful. We're not mentors. We're not counselors. We're just people having connections with other people. And I know that sounds a little bit cheesy, but if you watch the show, you realize that really is what it is. It's not a makeover show. We're not giving them anything that is actually usable. It's just us using this as a distraction to amplify the voices of trans people, queer people, Black people, Asian people,

Indigenous people, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. I wanted to ask just because it's been a long time since I ventured out of LA just because of the quarantine. And I, these past few days I've been on Long Island, which is obviously part of New York state. And so people think blue state and they kind of think, oh, it must be sort of liberal leaning, but on Long Island, it is like, I was taking a walk the other day and every other house there was a huge trump flag it's really crazy and i kind of felt like i was in the twilight zone walking down the street because i'm like what are people seeing that i'm not that they could possibly be in support of this ideology and this um administration what does it feel like um to be you and go into these places i know you've traveled a lot because of RuPaul's Drag Race

and because you're a successful drag artist, but is there a sense of self-consciousness or fear that you get going into towns like this and having the responsibility of being that person who's going to help this person change their ideology? What does it feel like going and doing the show well i mean i'm from a red state um so i was i'm not from new york city i wasn't raised in new york city or anything i was i was born in georgia i was raised in georgia alabama and mississippi

um so i i'm not a complete stranger to being a liberal in a red area um and even my theater program when i was in college was like this like weird republican theater theater program republican theater program republican theater program look i remember being in the green room in my college like it's like this like theater lounge at my college and like arguing about like george bush versus like i can't remember who it was at the time john carey or maybe john carey yeah yeah um and and being like yeah our grad lost one before it was john carey yeah and just kind of like arguing with this guy who was like much older than i was and way more articulate than i was and really ruined like pummeling me he was like a grad student and i was like 18 like yeah but he's that that kind of thing um but i also realized

too when you look at these people because i've been really obsessed i've been in girl these youtube like k-holes like you just watch youtube the tati westbrook well it started it actually all started with tati westbrook and now there's this YouTube genre that is just YouTubers doing videos about other YouTubers. Yes, yes, yes. And there are these YouTubers who do documentaries about YouTubers. It is insane.

I mean, like, there's this YouTuber named Pim and I who watch everything. Like, I'm obsessed. Anyway, then I started getting to this whole, like, Trump or YouTube thing. And I realized that a lot of those folks are, what they are doing is they're operating from fear. I don't think that the goal they have is completely different than the goals I have, but they're operating out of a place of fear. They feel like they're losing

something. And quite frankly, in order for all of the people in America to have more equality, the people at the top have to start losing power. The people up here have to get rid of something for the people down here to have something because power is finite. The idea that power is infinite. No, bitch, it's not. There's an infinite number of jobs. There's an infinite number of money. There's an infinite number of food.

There's an infinite number of houses. So for the people at the bottom to have more, the people at the top have to start giving up more. Yeah. And they realize that. And it's scary. But then also the people who are down at the bottom are being used. And they think these fucking poor white people in Alabama, don't they realize Trump is not for you, Mary? Yeah. Trump just signed an executive order to to like demolish Social Security. Now, you are in your you're 64 64 you're about to hit the fucking limit and next thing you know you won't have social security because you voted yourself out and then

i realized that trump's not not actually acting in their interest as much as they think and then i don't want to do a whole political no no we're happy to talk about it it's just it's just crazy to me because it's exactly what you're saying. I'll say on this podcast because I know some of my cousins listen to it and I will take this risk. I have two aunts and one of them is high income and one of them is lower income, middle class to lower income. And they both support Trump. Do you think that the one who's low income thinks she might be the one who's high income but she doesn't know how much your other aunt makes? Is she like, wait, so-and-so makes makes more than me i think it's more cultural than that i i think i think once it gets obviously once it gets to the middle lower income it must be a cultural thing or like a spiritual

thing or a religious thing because what else could it be because you're literally voting in your own malinterest or whatever well because what happens is trump what he does is he panders to other fears they have. For example, Trump will get up there. Trump will talk about like, let's say the liberals will say something like, we just want to make sure that everyone gets healthcare. And then Trump will get on the platform and say something like, we're not going to be having you pay for healthcare.

And as a reminder i believe strongly in the second amendment right whoa whoa whoa right right right yeah what are you like throw those little things in there yeah we're talking about health care who's talking about who's talking about guns sure sure well because i because there was some like leaked memo where um they were considering using just because poll poll numbers were slipping for trump that the team that the campaign team was considering using quote-unquote transgender sort of yeah this is the new talking points as just as a wedge issue which is like oh okay so this is this is the game and also this is the playbook and also before i forget but yeah your

whole social security example it's like oh well m Mary also turns out that she is in favor of Social Security. And so that's like an actual literal like social program. And so like it's like it's like it's like no one knows what their interests are. And people think that like what people don't realize, they think that this like this Social Security is like some random government money. No, that is money you paid for. You're supposed to get it back and trump's trying to just take it and just be like i'm gonna keep we're gonna keep it and use it for something else that you didn't approve to do but now we're gonna but now we're gonna switch at the very last minute

so when you're able to do stuff like ignite uh like if these people think that trump genuinely has any trump doesn't give a fuck. Trump probably doesn't hate trans people, but he knows that he can say something about them and then get his base fired up and then he can use that fodder to then go ahead and make it seem like, then get them all riled up so they

don't know that he's trying to do the social security thing or he'll get up there and he'll say something to completely distract. Trump's values are clearly not Christian. But then he runs on this like I'm super Christian. He says stuff like no one loves the Bible more than me. He said those words with his own. He said no one knows more about building walls than I do.

If that's true, let's put you in a fucking field with brick and mortar and watch you build a wall since you fucking know so much about it also your wall is failing a big chunk of your wall fell over because of strong wind i couldn't believe that shit so how great are your walls donald they're not the metaphor was wild they're not concrete parts of them are just bars you know what i mean naomi smalls because naomi smalls could slip through the cracks of some of these fucking walls naomi wells could bend over backwards now we know and walk right through it yeah the back bending of it all that was a new trick exactly so i'm like girl don't even like but it is a when when you pander to people but also i don't want for even one second to let people believe that the left are the only people pandering.

No, no, no, no. I think they've certainly nailed it. They've gotten better at it. And their people are much more receptive to it. But over on the right, they be pandering to Hillary Clinton was talking about a hot sauce in her bag. And Joe Biden was talking about it. If I ain't black, if you ain't both me, you ain't black. And I'm like.

No, no. I mean, look, it's all a mess and we're dealing with decades of mess and i feel like it's a very recent awareness that that a lot of people have about how fucked up it is and i i think when like i said to my dad the other day i was like you know it's a we're trying to talk about what could possibly be any of the positives out of the situation and i know for me i there will never be another midterm i will ever skip local election i will ever skip and i do think there is like a such a greater awareness of you know what our responsibility and our rights are as american citizens so at least that but you know you know, it's tough. I also think so much, too, about, I don't know, this whole election is going to really

rile people up in a way. It's really odd. Like, I'm not really here to, like, shame anyone for their smarts or anything. But I am. But I do think I'm allowed to say whether or not someone is qualified for their job or not. I mean, based on my little experience of just being an American, but like when the president goes on TV,

it really is embarrassing when the president says stuff like, well, we're, we have like when, when he's on the Axios interview and he's, he says we have less cases of Corona than the world. I don't know if y'all heard him say that. He goes, we have less cases than the world. And they're like, yeah, because we're included in the world's corona count.

When he goes, when the interviewer goes, we have the most cases by percentage, like based on our population. He goes, no, not that. Don't do that. And he won't go back and say stuff like, you know what, guys? Everyone freeze. I said this was no more dangerous than the flu. I need to take that back. That is absolutely, completely false. I said this was no more dangerous than the flu. I need to take that back. That is absolutely

completely false. I misspoke. That is not true. This disease has killed almost 200,000 people just in America alone. We have almost 5 million cases in this country. Roll it back. It is more dangerous.

Considering that this disease, this sickness has killed more Americans in the Vietnam War, I would say it is more dangerous considering that this is this disease this sickness has killed more people more americans in the vietnam war i would say it is dangerous yeah yeah let's take a go bone no no yeah i think we'll just take a quick break and then wait you know what you know i think i think we're gonna take a quick break okay and only because the queen said so. We'll be right back. The Real Housewives of New York City are back for another bite of the Big Apple. Look who it is. Joined by elite new friends.

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that we ask all of our guests, each and every single one. And Bowen, what exactly is that? Because I forgot. Oh, no, Matt, you shouldn't forget. Bob, what is the question is, what is the culture that made you say culture is for me? This is a formative piece of pop culture. It could be a movie, a book, a person, an area,

like anything at all. And also, I't forget and i have to choose one no it can be you know what it can be whatever you want because we let's talk well i had a few moments for me a big moment for me growing up was um like just the culture surrounding whoopi Goldberg, seeing her in Sister Act, hearing her in Lion King, watching her in Ghost, Karina Karina, Long Walk Home. I like seeing someone on TV who looked like me, who didn't have eyebrows like me, who was dark skinned like me, being told that she was amazing, being awarded. Yeah. Practically every award you can get in entertainment. You know what I mean? I would now get her a fucking Soul Train award or something so she'll have them all.

Were you familiar with her one-woman show? Do you think I just turned black and gay yesterday, Matt? But I mean like as a youngster. Jesus Christ, yeah. I mean, as like a child, no. But Yeah. I mean, as like, as like a child, no, but in, in my,

like, like in my college years. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. It was like the VHS vaults of the college and all that stuff. And of course,

once YouTube came out when I was in college, um, I would get ahold of him over there, but, um, like I just, so like Lion King, um,

Sister Act, Sister Act 2, Karina, Karina, Ghost, Long Walk Home, all that stuff, all that Whoopi content. I'm a huge, like, I just love Whoopi Goldberg a lot. Yeah. And also, full, a genuine culture reset was RuPaul's Drag Race. Watching season one of RuPaul's Drag Race, I saw someone on TV who I thought looked like me. It was Bebe Zahara Benet. And everything that I thought was bad about me,

black, faggoty, gay, femme, like I felt ugly, nappy hair, everything that I was told made me bad. I saw this person on TV being told that those were all the things that actually made her really fabulous. on tv being told that those were all the things that actually made her really fabulous that was being told that not not she wasn't great despite those things she was great because of those things yeah and it's something that happened on we're here amelia i think was all the time she said everything about me has been used against me at one point in my

life and that really stuck with me that i cannot forget those words everything about me has been used against me at one point in my life and i was like i relate to that but then she found this community of drag where they don't call her some fat dude they say go big girl you know what i'm saying like everything that like the fact that her bald head became a symbol of beauty for her drag you find a community that uplifts all the things that you were told made you garbage and you find out that it actually makes you gold yes yeah amazing wow and what what was it like when you first met bb we've met bb and it was everything we could ever imagine it's a wonderful experience legend oh i mean the first time i mean meeting bb is a combination of magical remarkable and exhausting yes for those of you who don't, who aren't familiar

with B.B. Zaharboné, but maybe you are a later Drag Race watcher, B.B. Zaharboné was Valentina before Valentina was Valentina. Yeah, that's perfect.

Someone who really feels the fantasy. She believes that. She made her own rules about existence. Yeah. Everything she's saying, it is real to her.

She is an African queen. She is, like, she's wild, it is real to her She is an African queen She is She's wild, she's Diana Ross Singing Circle of Life, that's who Bebe Zyrona is I used to sew dresses for her Oh that's right You did I used to sew her dresses

She's going to get so mad if I ever tell this I was sewing these dresses I was sewing a gown I had never sewn for anyone besides Her roommate was my best friend at the time so i had sewn her dresses but just because we were friends like i'll show you dressed i love you i saw bb address and i was like i don't know what to charge for this oh my god she was she's so cheap she's so cheap people was like hey baby listen I will do all of the embroidery myself

I'll do all of the stoning I will give you he had he's a 50 50 I made a whole dress $50 I made a whole dress

for $50 and granted it was the dress probably was not great it was probably not a brilliant dress but I made it

and I was like in my 20s and she did the same thing she did to Aja where she took that dress and she called it a shell she goes you make 20s and she did the same thing she did to aja where she took that dress and she called it a shell she goes oh you make this shell and then i just shut up and i'm like bitch i made a fucking dress you made a garment but but but she is one of the people that really inspires me and i just i love her a lot i really think she's truly epic and i am so

happy bowen tell i mean when when we discovered bb well i mean we we sort of rediscovered her along with a lot of other people i think uh during all stars three and then it was just this thing of like oh right like she she has she has sort of been crystallized in amber this whole time since season one and has basically been unchanged and then like we just fell down this hole of just watching every single one of her music videos which are amazing the cameroon video is i mean to to to recall this comparison is it is diana ross singing the circle of life it is like pure beautiful like her like dancing in some park in minneapolis with like all these other people. And then just her like truly like making love to the camera.

And like, she's a star. She's a goddamn star. So the, the, the dress, the dresses I made were for her music video face. Face. Yeah. I made the dress. I made like two or three,

I made two or three of the dresses in, in the face video. That's a good, that's a good video. I don't know. The legend, the, the, the, the tradition that's a good that's a good video the legend the the the tradition of making a rougro videos bb's a harbinate was the first rougro to make a video and the song was called i'm the shit i'm i'm the shit i'm the one yeah yep i'm the shit and then there's i'm fun tonight which is great yeah there is no but there is no, I mean, talk about like all these girls come out with their videos and I, I mean, we love Purse First.

That's up there. For me, there is nothing like Jungle Kitty. Jungle Kitty. Jungle Kitty is a narrative. It's a powerful sort of presence and acting. And like, who sent you in the beginning? Just the interaction between her and him and the way she laughs yeah yeah she is here it's it's right behind the eyes it is she is and also the very way she butts him in the face with the with the with the blood end of a baseball bat it's a violent this is this is not me like uh to my own

horn but i'm gonna say this if you've not in this is a video of mine that is lesser known not a lot of people know about this i would encourage you all to watch my video yet another dig this is one of my another dig yet another achievement this is one of my honestly legit actually i want you i want you to watch it and then talk to me but i will wait the three minutes after the podcast. I'm really proud of this. It's old. We will watch it.

It's about two or three years old at this point, but I'm still very proud of that video. Also, I mean, one of my favorite tracks that you're on is Todrick's Wrong Bitch. Oh, yeah. I do love Wrong Bitch. I fucking love Wrong Bitch, and I love all of Todrick's stuff. And I feel like Todrick does not get the amount of attention that he deserves for what exactly goes on in his brain and is Todrick is amazing Todrick is next level Todrick is insane like I've never said to be honest at all I've never met anyone who works as hard as Todrick Hall I can almost guarantee you even Beyonce doesn't work as hard as Todrick I can almost promise you that what What a claim. I mean,

creatively, he executes so much. I mean, he's choreographing for the girls. He's choreographing for the Ru girls. He's doing his own stuff. He choreographs for Beyonce. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm saying, like, he's, like, choreographing for the girls. Does he really? Yeah, he did, uh, Must Be Good To You.

What's that one? Must Be Good To You. That video. Oh is a blow yeah yeah wow yeah that really feels like him actually now that you say that because i know he's i know he's um in the taylor universe yeah he works with taylor as well i i agree that drag race was this cultural reset and um yeah for sure and and i feel like well season seven but then season eight was sort of the first season where you had people um vocally be like i did drag after the show started like i like this was a new generation a new turnover of people well i said to the camera i started doing drag because of the show i'm on my yeah um and that was that was huge for me i i was not a drag queen before post-drag race

i mean i had done drag like maybe once or twice in college for like theater stuff but never like in the in the clear so like yeah yeah but it was seeing bb that made you feel like this could be something that's for me yeah it was bb i i remember going i had uh tivo that's how long ago i was and i was scrolling through tivo and i was going through i went to the gay channel to scroll through the gay channel and i saw saw RuPaul. I was like, RuPaul has a show? Record. And then I watched it, I got off from work, and I was like, oh my God, this show's amazing.

So I've watched every episode of Drag Race in real time. Yeah, for sure. Were you doing stand-up before that, or were you kind of just doing... So I was writing stand-up, but I had never actually, I was too afraid to get on stage and do it. And then I decided to try my hand at stand-up on the same night I tried my hand at drag. So I did my first night of stand-up was also my first drag performance ever at the New York Comedy Club.

I see. What does it feel like to sort of have like the industry, quote unquote, take drag queen seriously as comedians? Because we actually had, we had Jin in alaska on one of our shows and i had a conversation with jinx afterwards and she was like you know every time we kind of come to one of these things like it always feels like um they always treat us like the drag queens and they don't treat us like actual talent do you feel like there's been like a shift in the past few years about how you get treated as like just an artist and a comedian and a performer yeah well for me i mean i know that i've started um really uh shifting how like the gigs i'll do for example like

years ago i got called by uh i got called by what's what's his fucking name andy cohen to do uh one of you know he has all the drag queens show up and they act like the celebrities yeah the watch what happens live yeah yeah watch what happens live and i did one for angela bassett and then they called me after i won drag race and i was kind of like you're not gonna go sit behind the bar now i'm overthinking myself but i'm one of the celebrities yeah right that's what i thought of myself i was like but i should be i should be in the chair especially on a show with a gay audience like we'd be more excited to see you than fucking someone on fucking cbs's elementary so i told so i told them that i

wasn't gonna i wasn't gonna come back and do it and i said the only way i'll ever come back into the show is if i'm sitting in the chair wow and of course they've called me a few times do you want to come impersonate uh so and so i'm like no really don't. I genuinely don't have any desire. No, I respect that. I feel like you have very successfully sort of kind of branched out, branched out, quote unquote. But you doing like angels in San Francisco was like a thing that people took notice of, I feel. Yeah, so what happened was Tony Kushner,

and if you don't know Tony Kushner, Tony Kushner is the Pulitzer-winning, Emmy Award-winning. I mean, he's won. He's huge. He's wrote Agent America, Abraham. I mean, Lincoln. He wrote Agent America, wrote Lincoln. He wrote Carolina Change.

Yes. He's a really big deal. Anyway, he's a fan of Drag Race. He watched Drag Race. And at some point, he was like, Bob seemed like he'd be a good actor. So he literally just went to my website. Tony Kushner! Tony Kushner

went to my website and was like, hey, be in my show. Will you be in my show? Be Belize, which is like it's an incredible role. Thank you. It was really funny when people asked me who did I play I always say the black person. What gay person is like? who did you play in Angels?

It's only weird when they go, I actually really love Angels. I'm really familiar with Angels. Who did you play? And I'm like, the only black person in the show. But go off, sis. You were Harper. You'd be a great Harper. Yeah, I was Harper.

Like, who do you think I was? But it was really great. I was also there with some really great actors, with Randy Harrison from Queer as Spoke actors Randy Harrison from Queer as Spoke Steven Spinello who was the original prior on Broadway it was great

and I was there for six months yeah yeah I was gonna ask how long it was I'm actually doing my friends and I in quarantine are doing a reading of it on Zoom who are you? I'm prior of course oh wow My friends and I in quarantine are doing a reading of it on Zoom. Who are you? Who are you? I'm Pryor, of course. Oh, wow.

Very Steven Spielberg. Yeah, very Steven Spielberg. You know that scene, right, Bowen? You know the play. Yeah, I do. It's like one of the last scenes in the first half. But it's interesting because I interesting because i hadn't i actually realized i hadn't seen it because i didn't see the recent broadway version with andrew garfield um and i

hadn't seen it since i had watched the mini series i have not read angels in so long girl well to your friend um millennium approaches police is only in like three or four scenes. You can include Miss Eliza as well. And then Miss Thing in Perestroika, she is in I think like 17 or 19 scenes. Like back to back to back to back. Oh yeah. With real, real, real, real good scenes too. I mean, it's so funny because like I said, it has been so long since I've seen it

because I was younger when I watched the miniseries with Al Pacino, Meryl Streep, Patrick Wilson, etc. And Jeffrey Wright played the police role. But it's been such a long time. And now as like a gay adult, it's so much more. It really just hits. It's just such a piece of art. I would like to listen if I'm free.

Oh, my God. I mean, we would be thrilled. All seven hours. just such a piece of art invite me i would like to come listen if it's if i'm free oh my god i mean we would be thrilled all seven hours truly it's just like act by act but um but yeah it's it's amazing and i it's it's so interesting both shows in one sitting no no no it's every tuesday we read a different we read um uh like a yeah it's so fascinating to read it and realize how how prescient it is like it's really interesting especially in in a pandemic to be and not to compare it to what aids was but it's interesting to hear like the paranoia about illness and the uncertainty and also to be um written that takes place during a time where the government didn't have our best interests in mind it's just really it's really a timeless piece

unfortunately before you do boys in the band do august of sage county and then after boys in the band the inheritance but hopefully we're not fucking doing this i know i know i know but um do you guys remember back we thought quarantine was going to be a month? That was so funny. Yeah, when they said we'd have to do this for a couple weeks, I thought I was going back to work and everything. Well, this is the other thing. Remember when Trump was saying the first week of quarantine,

this will be over by July or August, and now that it's July or August, I'm like, L-O-L, what a time to be alive. Well, they thought that the heat would kill the virus. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What? That's what they had said. I mean, they were like, of course, in the summer months, the virus won't survive. We know this. And it's like,

do we know this? Well, we're not in a fucking oven. It's not that fucking hot. Jesus Christ. I'm not even a scientist. I dropped out of theater school, and I know that. What are you doing in WeHo? Are you quarantining there have you been there for a while girl this is a long ass story i came here to look for a house i was going to buy a house in la but then i can't look for a house but i already bought the tickets

with my boyfriend had a surgery so i'm here to like look look after him and say hey to him and all that oh okay well so you're thinking about relocating though? Yeah. It's good. It's the move. You know, Bowen, I want to quickly talk about how remarkable and great that coal miner scene you did with RuPaul was. Oh, thanks. We were just talking about that before.

How it wasn't in the real show. It was a thing they put online and thank God they did it. But I felt like all the gays caught their hands on it. It was so great. It really really good i was i was talking about how one of my worst moments at the show was when that sketch got it wasn't cut for time at first it was moved to later on in the show like after the second time the musical after the second time justin bieber went on so i was like it's definitely getting cut for time it's definitely getting cut for time it did and then i yeah one of the justin bieber songs well no no no no so literally when justin

bieber was on stage i can tell the story when justin bieber was on stage the second time and i was like the odds of this coming to term are not good so i went out to see justin bieber's number and i sidled up next to lauren because la sits, stands on the floor whenever the musical guest goes up. And I went up to him and whispered to him, can we please put the dress rehearsal version online? And then he goes, yeah, we can. Because I was like, because I had explained to like, because I was like, because he knew that like this was such an important show for me that like, I'm not going to feel this way about any other host. Like it's Rue, you know, and like as much of like a you know a little like Rorschach test Rue is for a lot of queer people now it's like

it's still RuPaul like it's still Rue you know you don't need to explain it to me RuPaul changed my life in a lot of ways and I don't expect anyone to be perfect so I don't need any explanation of why Rue's important me of all people Mary I don't need that sure sure but it's like,

and we can all like, as like... I thought you like, settled up. I thought you like, I'm surprised you didn't send Nancy Kerrigan in and take out Justice Zekas

to buy more time for your, for your fucking sketch. Yeah. Who knows? But it was great. I want to tell you that it was really a lot of fun. Oh, thank you.

It was like, you know, like I was proud of a lot of the, like, sort of queer-leaning stuff that I'd gotten on the show in the past, and I was like, well, this is, it's Rue, like, I gotta, like, you know, try to, like, throw in something fun and, like, but also, like, classic, and so, you know,

we just basically wrote, like, a dynasty scene taking place in a coal mine. Yeah, it was love. It was very, uh, yeah, it was obviously burned in the bottle at some point. Burned in the bottle at some point, yeah. Burned in the bottle. Dying Carol. Lifted right from...

Burned in a bottle. Burned in a bottle. Bernadine bottle. Wait, you know, I thought of one before. Has anyone done this? Hedda Topper? Hedda Topper? Like Miss Hedda Hopper?

No? Oh, that's fun. i think no one's done it because it's bad i think because it's a really bad dragon honestly i said it and i was like this is a c plus attempt i heard you lose your enthusiasm as you were saying it you're like anyone done this head of topper Yeah, head of topper. I died outside. I'm a really big fan of, are you familiar

with Mommy Dearest at all? Yes. Yes. I just watched it recently. Like gay familiar, not just a little familiar. Gay familiar. What are you going to bring up?

What's the reference? A great drag name would be Barbara Please. Barbara Please? And her sister, Please Barbara. Barbara Please? Please Barbara. Please Barbara. Please Barbara. If you her sister, please Barbara. Barbara please! Please Barbara.

Please Barbara. Leave us alone Barbara. If you need anything ask Caroline. God, I mean. Barbara please! Isn't that a great way to say, welcome to the stage, Barbara please! Barbara please!

Please Barbara! Something about the apps too. If you need anything ask Caroline, this is wonderful. This is wonderful! You deliberately embarrassed me in front of a reporter. Of a reporter. These reporters. You love to make me hit you.

It's so good. Truly, when Rue came, there was like 20 minutes where it was me, Rue, James Andersonerson another gay writer at the show and we're just quoting mommy dearest and just but the second that like rue felt comfortable with us i could tell was when um uh was when i said i'm not mad at you i'm mad at the dirt and like then like it all like fell away and we were we were like on good terms and it was it was all good from there it's like when you're at a party and one guy's like, I'm just gonna do one bump of Coke so everyone knows it's cool. Yeah, yeah.

I'm just gonna do it in the middle of the room so everyone here who's into Coke we're just starting to do Coke. Introducing it into the atmosphere. And we're off and then we're off. That's why you gotta test the gauge. You gotta know which quote to do you can say that quote in some rooms they don't get nothing but then you'll look at someone and go

oh so you agree you think you're now go you think you're really pretty i mean it's a generational divide for sure um but then oh our friend sudi green has a really good one i think a really good drag name, which is Old Tweets. But I think Old Before Anything is a good drag name. Oh, here comes Old Tweets. Old Tweets. A good drag name is Lincoln Bio. Lincoln Bio is a great one.

Or Delete a Tweet. Delete a Tweet. Delete a Tweet. She just says really horrible things. Or delete a tweet. Delete a tweet. Delete a tweet. She just says really horrible things. Whenever anyone refers to, whenever there's an article that's like, in a tweet that has since been deleted. I'm like, I just love that sentence, that intro. Like, in a tweet that has since been deleted. Well, I'm always intrigued by the fact that in these news articles, they actually URL copy the link instead of screen grabbing.

Like, mama, it's problematic it's gonna get taken away screen grab that mug mom screen grab that mug always screen grab that mug mom rule of culture Bob I did want to say thank you for giving us our fucking favorite episode

of game show too you came out and slayed that so good thank you you're so sweet thank you had a lot of fun that day it was weird we had a and darcy reached out to me on the internet and i was like oh my god hi she's the best ever yeah she's really sweet she's the best ever wonderful um all right so what do you say bowen yang is it time i think well before i do that i can't leave i know i said it before air but i want everyone to know that I also appreciate Matt Rogers because I was talking to Matt about his hit song, Be a Bitch to Expose His Friend, This Pride.

Huge. Available on Instagram and YouTube, I'm sure, at some point. Because that was like something Bowen and I were doing for fun or whatever. And then once Jinx Monsoon liked it, I was like, oh, maybe this thing has legs. And I still have a standing offer from her to go into the studio and do a recording of it. And she said she would jump on the track. And I'm saying now bob the drag queen also needs to be on the track oh you should do it listen fuck jinx you want some cabaret uh jazz version no you and me are gonna do a bitch track called be a bitch to your closest friend his pride

i honestly i'm down and also you know jinx contacted me and she was like I'd like to do the song in my show and I was like please please do it she's probably performed it more than I have at this point listen I'm gonna tell you right now man we gotta trade numbers we're gonna be a bitch to your closest friends trending hot 100

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I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski. Guess what, folks? We're teammates again. And we're going gonna welcome you guys all to dudes on dudes i'm a dude you're a dude and dudes on dudes is our brand new show we're gonna highlight players peers guys that we played against legends from the past and we're just gonna sit here and talk about them and we'll get into the types of dudes what kind of types of dudes

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We're going to find out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to dudes on dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. On Thanksgiving Day 1999,

a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. All right, let's do I Don't Think So, Honey. So this is our finale of every episode of Lost Culture Reads Us, which is I Don't Think So, Honey. We take 60 seconds to rail against something in pop culture that let me tell you something we hate. Sorry to say the word hate, but we're saying it. We don't like it. It needs to be dressed down. Bowen, I do have something I could do. Okay, that's good.

I've got you on the clock. This is Matt Rogers. I Don't Think So, Honey. As time starts now. I Don't Think So, Honey. Bugs, you have to go. I understand that we need some of you for the environment, but sugar, we are already going down.

Absolutely. So winging in that area. So we're actually going to let go of bugs. I have to say, I don't think so, honey. Bugs. You're itchy. You're crawly. You're ooky.

You're bookie. You are not it. Can I say something? You're too small. And if you're big,'re crawly you're ooky you're bookie you are not it can i say something you're too small and if you're big fuck you even more fuck bugs of all kinds and fuck the stinging that bugs do i'm not here on long island i'm dealing with the humidity the bugs are out here they're not here to play they're here to bite they're here to suck they're here to fuck unfortunately i'm sorry to say here's what i'd say bugs i like no media about you not even ants which has j-lo which i usually love all her shit j-lo was not even giving you 10 in the movie ants i don't want to watch a bug's life i'd rather get thrown into a lava pit no bugs i don't a Honey Bugs. And that's one minute. Wow. And there's none in Los Angeles.

That's not true. Shut up. That's just a false bit. Shut up. You're both wrong. Get out of here. No, that's just because you're an actor. That's because you have the acting ability to play Belize. And I don't believe that there was a bug right there. Damn.

That's called word play. I don't think so. Honey a bug right there. That's called word play. I don't think so, honey bugs. And they can go. If this earth is sinking the way I feel it is, we can get rid of them. Bugs found dead. Bugs will outlive us all. Bugs are here to stay. I'm sorry, man.

Well, it's odd. I think that the reason why bugs are doing so well is because they aren't expected to stick around as long. You know the longer animals stick around, the worse off they are. Why are elephants always extinct and why are there so many fucking flies? It's truly the worst. The worst animals are the ones that there's a lot of. It's true. I would love to see more pandas out here.

But you know what? There's just not very many of them. Also, there was a lot to i don't think so honey this week and i chose bugs i could have i don't think so honey anyone tweeting about how the cardi b and megan single is uh inappropriate go fuck yourself oh who's saying that no it's it's like it's like a lot of republican congressmen being like what is this i'm like why the hell do they care it's because they can have their little talking point there was a ton to i don't think so honey this week and i chose bugs i i've got one i've got

i've got a pretty crazy one i love when you have one okay so i think you got a pretty crazy one i think people people will relate all right so this is going to be bow and yang's i don't think so honey as time starts now i don't think, speaking of books, books with like the fake distressed texture already. No, let me distress the books on my own. I want to wear down the book with the elements in my house. Don't give me this like series of unfortunate events. Like, you know, like on the book, like when the painters get all like scratchy on the side, when they do that, they distress it on purpose to make the book seem rustic or something? I don't even know what aesthetic it falls into, honey.

I don't think so, honey. 30 seconds. You selling me a book that is supposed to look bad when I don't know how that serves the narrative. I don't know how that serves the marketing. We're beyond this. The distressed book's aesthetic is trapped in 2003 we are 17 years removed transcended from that moment do not pull us back into the tide of 2003 because look we think the country's bad now it's pretty bad back then too maybe not as bad as it is now but they that

iraq war that really did a number on every that That Iraq war, and that's one minute. And that's one minute. So Bowen, I get it. You want to be the one to weather your own materials. Yes. I get it. Do you know what I'm talking about? Here, I have one right in front of me. Of course I know what you're talking about.

It's this thing. It's got the ridges there, you know? Like those kinds of books that are fake, torn up. Sure, sure, sure. You don't need to do the work no in reading the book when it comes to bowen yang you give it to him he'll weather it himself he will tear through these books i mean i do i do love that you're able to you know wear a book down physically and that's something you miss from from audiobooks or from uh well from yeah

from audiobooks and uh ebooks so it's actually a rule of culture. You can't wear an audiobook down. You can't wear an audiobook down. That's rule of culture number 14. It can't be 14. There's so many 14s. 23. You can't wear an audiobook down. All right.

Bob the Drag Queen. Are we ready with an I don't think so, honey? All right. I just wrote one for myself. Good. I wanted to try to have one kind of done. So let's see if this is a minute at all. And if not, I'll start ranting.

You ready? This is beautiful. This is Bob the Drag Queens. I don't think so, honey. And time starts now. Okay, I don't think so to showing your video in a Zoom. Why do you need to see my face? You already know what I look like.

I chose this picture for a reason. This is a Photoshopped image. And not only that, but I took this picture back when I first moved to New York City and I had the skin of a nut-free Milky Way chocolate bar. And now I'm a weather-aged Reese's piece that you found in the couch after five years. I didn't shower this morning and I haven't showered in the last week at all, if we're being honest. And if I turn my camera, if I don't turn my in the last week at all if we're being honest and if I turn my camera on you need to know that I'm only dressed from the waist up and

on top of that the only clean part of my apartment is the area you are seeing behind me if I turn my camera to the left or to the right it's absolutely going to look like the day after the Stonewall riots so when you log into the video and you say,

can we see your face? The answer is a flaming fucking no, you cannot. And that's one minute. Everyone, we should just make it clear that Bob, I think that was directed at us and we receive it. Yeah, I just want to say, first of all, in this quarantine,

in this quarantined, we have to be reserving something. And that must mean face to face contact. We're happy to see you. And that photo that you had up before was, you know, to Photoshop. I mean, it was gorgeous, but that wasn't the real Bob. That wasn't the real Bob. That was a curated version. That was a curated image. That was a curated image.

It was curated. Oh, and now he's hidden. He's hidden the video. Wow. See, and already it's a less sort of visually commanding experience without you here. Engaging experience. And now he's back. Good.

But that was an excellent, I don't think so, honey. Excellent. And you're right. What are the rules? I mean, like, if you're not like, you know, on the meeting or if you're not like pulling focus it's like I don't really want to be seen all the entire time either I think the rule is everyone knows their video's not on like

when people are like your video's not on it's like bitch we the fuck know yes we know right before this when we were like I don't think Bob's video was on he heard us the whole fucking time. He was just like getting ready, rolling his fucking damn eyes at these two.

I got damn. What a pleasure for us to have you, Bob, the drag queen. So wonderful. Oh, my pleasure. Thank you so much for coming on. It's been really wonderful. I really think you're both really magnificent. And um what's good with uh this reading of your show you're gonna do a reading of your your um your play night soap is uh it's on the schedule we just don't know where it is on

the schedule but we're gonna figure out about that and then we will let everyone know um but basically bone and i wrote we what was it, Ant Fest? It was ours. It was for Ant Fest. Years ago. And we, Ruby Rue, who I'm sure you know, got us all up in drag

and beat our face for the very first time ever. And we basically played two warring women in the chocolate industry. Yes. And we wrote a whole play about it. And Bowen and I are going to do it.

And we'll be donating all the money that people um would sort of throw our way to watch it not that you have to in order to watch it but is it a two-person show it's a two-person show yes i can't wait to see i would love to whenever it happens let me know i would love to attend oh my god i think you might like it this is not i i feel like i'm confident enough in the writing and just in your um and your sensibilities that i think you would enjoy this i really do i don't normally say this it's a throwback to the dynasty era war paint it's very war paint is there like a timeline like in the next month in the next i would say in the next month in the next month I would say in the next month yes yes

that was a soft that was a soft yes no it's in the next month that was a head of topper delivery your voice didn't go up an octave but it went up a few notes you modulated head of topper

you're like in the next month is it better if it's head of topper in the next month well Bowen tends to be Bowen tends to be a little bit busier than me if it's Teletopper? In the next month. Bowen tends to be a little bit busier than me with his job on the hit sketch show Saturday Night Live.

Not for a while longer. Well, yeah, we'll do it the next month. We'll do that. And also, we totally forgot Sibling Rivalry. You better we totally forgot Sibling Rivalry. Sibling Rivalry? You better be listening to Sibling Rivalry with the Monet Exchange,

who is someone that we must get on this pod. Wonderful. We must get on this pod. Just say, be nice to your podcast. Don't have Monet here. No, we love Monet.

I went on the Exchange, and it was so fun. And Monet, like, Monet's got the damn setup. Monet looks gorgeous over the Zoom camera, we gotta say. So you're acknowledging that you saw her in person and she didn't look that good.

Wow, drag her. Drag her. Wow, boy. I said she looked great. And the library is closed. You said she had the setup. Not her. We love all the New York Queens.

Every year, whenever the New York Queens go on, we are in the corner. And also, you know, we're- You know, you shift to the left, and then the filter goes off, and you look like Baby Yoda. Yeah. Baby Yoda's cute. I can say it. Baby Yoda's a cutie.

I'm not Baby Yoda. But are you going to let Baby Yoda hit? That's the question. Yes. Absolutely. Did you see Baby Yoda in the WAP video? Oh. That is something I'm going to need. Honestly, I just tweeted the other day. Picture Baby Yoda the WAP video? Oh. That is something I'm going to need.

Honestly, I just tweeted the other day. Picture Baby Yoda singing WAP. Good night. Pussy wet ass it is. Damn. Baby Yoda talked absolutely dirty to me. Baby Yoda speaking in adult Yoda's voice. Another jarring moment.

You just dragged me. You exposed me. I've not seen The mandalorian i'm just jumping on the baby yoda you're missing wagon zero you're missing zero yeah all right he didn't watch mandalorian you didn't watch mandalorian no definitely not but i did watch we're here which is renewed for a second season congratulations oh the plug of it all and then let's win that fucking emmy shall we in fact before you go let's see who the fuck you're up against i want to i want to i want to be rude we're up against

uh amy schumer we're up against kevin hart and we're up against um okay yes amy schumer learns to cook that ain't winning an emmy cheer oh cheer, cheer. Oh, cheer. That was the other one. Cheer. Cheer is a cultural moment. But you know what? We are a team. We are a team. We're here. I love cheer. I remember not that much about the show.

Like with some distance, I'm like, oh, it was all very, it was very sort of, it didn't occupy space in my brain for that long. And I love it. I think it's a wonderful work. But I feel like we're Here is just so important culturally. And on top of all that, I heard that the director of Cheer is a Holocaust denier.

Come on! No, that's not true. But I'm trying to get that out there. I'm going to have to vote elsewhere on that one. That was not true. That's not true. I didn't mean to say that. Listen, this is a campaign, and on the campaign trail,

things get very ugly. You get dirty. We have to. Okay, but also can we say three out of five of these shows are super, super queer, so you got to love that. You love that.

But I'm still mad at the Emmys. There's two drag shows there, and also on text. I'm kidding. All right. Well, damn. Bob the Drag Queen, thank you for coming and doing Lost Cult. My pleasure.

Thank you all. And I'll see you at the reading. Yes. Yes. And also, you know, we end every episode with a song. Isn't that right, Bowen Yang? That's right. That's right.

And here we go. Does he love me? Does he love me not? Oh, how will I know? How will I know? Wow, you're doing it all. Bye. Bye.

I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski. And we are super excited to tell you about our new show, Dudes on Dudes. We're spilling all the behind-the-scenes stories, crazy details, and honestly, just having a blast talking football. Every week, we're discussing our favorite players of all times, from legends to our buddies to current stars. We're finally answering the age-old question, what kind of dudes are these dudes? We're going to find out, Jules.

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You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. I was a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Trust me, you won't want to miss this one.