Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Being Gay Is A Complicated Job" (w/ Ryan O'Connell)

Episode Date: May 25, 2022

Uh... Stunning Talent On The Pod Alert! Ryan O'Connell joins the women of Las Cultch ahead of the release of both his debut novel Just By Looking At Him (out June 7th) and Peacock's Queer As Folk, on which he writes and also stars (out June 9th)! The three discuss their origins as snarky internet gays, splurging on ridiculous rideshares, working with Kim Cattrall (who plays Ryan's mom on QAF.... gag), horny photo shoots, how Kim Petras commands gays with her voice, relationships to the original Queer As Folk, and living on the same street where they filmed Erin Brockovich (the part where she's poor and amongst cockroaches). Also, thoughts on this season's RHOBH, how being a reality star alters the psyche, Gregg Araki, the goddess Parker Posey, and formative indie films of the 90's. Would YOU give your dog a human's name? What would it be? Think about that while you press PLAY on this episode... of LAS CULTURISTAS.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Check your heart rate. We're here at I Heart. Yeah, you can find us wherever you listen to your podcasts or on the I Heart Radio app. Look, Matt. Where? Oh, I see. Wow.

Bowen, look over there. there wow is that culture yes ding dong how does this feel girl how's it feel you'll have to specify your query dear how does what feel so many things were going on i sort of wanted to see where you were at what you would pick as the it i mean you're capped off the season at snl you've arrived in la for some quote-unquote international press i want to know how it feels all of it i thought i don't know about you i always have this latent period of like processing like what the hell i just experienced and i feel like i'm still i feel like it'll be like another five years before right i think i think my latency period

is five years now i'll go through something but it'll take me five years to like get clarity on what you are a you are a processor you are a slow processor and i don't that's not a drag no i don't think it's bad it's functional. You cannot move through life this way. It's so awful. Honey, better to be a slow processor. I don't know what the hell is going on. Better to be a slow processor than someone that's like, I know how I feel about this, which is often me.

And that's a rule of culture. And that's a rule of culture. Number 72. 72. Honey, better to be a slow processor than someone that's like, That's how I feel. that's how i feel how i feel but i often um i i like for example i'm a slow actor not a slow processor i process information very quickly like for example i've known i needed a new shower curtain for about a year but it was only today that i went out and acted on that oh thank god but how much can i ask how much like mold like

stuff was on the old shower curtain? So I bought what was on one side of blue and on the other side, white shower curtain. The bottom of the shower curtain was, let's call it like after a night out piss yellow. Make up a new color. Yeah, I'm calling it after a night out piss yellow, sort of like chock full. I realized I could never have another man over to my apartment. Like with this being the situation, it was humiliating.

I felt like I was straight or something. The bottom of the shower curtain was not after a night out, piss yellow. And I went to the bed, bath and beyond and got a new shower curtain at some point like this will bleed over into other areas of my life like i'll finally put the license plates on my car they've also been there for a year i just can't seem to get the screwdriver out to do that slow processing versus slow acting yeah i'd rather be you i thought you meant you were a slow film

actor i say honey i've seen you speak fast well know, so when you act on film, and this is for everyone out there listening, when you act on film, really bite those consonants, okay? Because you want to give realism, but you also want clarity and diction and dexterity. Yes. So when you're auditioning out there, when you're sending your tapes, make sure that we are definitely keeping the energy and the pacing up, but we are we are definitely keeping the energy and the pacing up but we are giving consonants what did i do to die today at a minute or two till two go through your warm-ups honey go

through the warm-ups you know bowen yang's process he's a big repeater in his in his i am you are repetition is the key to learning well it's it's actually not it's actually not repetition it's not pure not to oh my god this is so annoying it's not actual repetition but i did help sandy bullock learn like get off book onset because she was fucking up a line and help me and i was like okay you just have to like keep repeating the connective tissue so like in a line like more like most commonly it's like you like repeat like the words before and after a comma or like a colon or something yes and then that's so then you build the bridge in your mind to go into the next part of your line so what you're saying is you were sort of sandra bullock i was giving teacher i was

being i was giving sandra bullock's acting teacher on set and it was it was not unwelcome because i was like i'm so sorry i was like i was like i was like i think i might have something that can help she's like please because she had to like say like a fictional made up, like proper noun. Yeah. And it was like 90 syllables long. And I was like, okay,

I think you just got to repeat these syllables and then these syllables and then these syllables. And she was like, okay, okay, okay. Guess what? It worked.

It worked. The first thing she said to me on the carpet of the premiere was Dabba Kaga Dima Fiske now or whatever the hell the line was. I see. I forgot it, but she did it because of me. And that's why I take the credit. The film,

which of course is titled the road to El Dorado. Yes. What was the, what was the lost city? It's called Atlantis. That's why, of course that film was so successful because she had you on hand to, to sort of walk her through it.

And you can watch that movie on planes everywhere now. On Paramount Plus? Everywhere now. It's on Paramount Plus. It's on planes. You can check out The Lost City at a small TV near you.

We have an actor in the chat. Emmy nominated. Okay, he doesn't need... Emmy nominated. He certainly doesn't need you to run through certain terms of phrase with him. I'm not giving him a single note or tip. No, no, no. Can't be bothered.

Can't be fucking bothered. Who am I? Who are you? I mean, an Emmy nominee yourself. I'm so sick, especially after this last week with Poonam, that I'm out of now two weeks in a row to be the only non-Emmy nominee. I think it sucks, Beau. You're going to get it.

But this is such an... It's an inevitability at this point for Matt Roberts to be Emmy nominated. Yeah, it really is. This is my four-year consideration begging on my own podcast, the members of the TV Academy. That's what FYC is. That's what FYC is.

It's such a filthy business, don't you think? So dirty and disgusting and political. What we all do to sort of get the crumbs. Say that. I said it. I know. Well.

Listen. Listen. See this in my hands? This is the new novel by Ryan O'Connell, our guest. It's called Just By Looking At Him. I'm thoroughly enjoying this. It's a hot cover by Ryan O'Connell, our guest. It's called Just by Looking at Him. I'm thoroughly enjoying this. It's a hot cover.

Can I say something? You may. Didn't get my copy. What? Didn't get my copy. Oh my god, the publicists are, and I'm not talking to you, our readers, the publicists. And you know that I read the galleys. Honey. I read the advance copies for every single guest and for

I'm mortified that this is someone who's writing I've been following since. And I'm going to say the words. And I'm sorry if this elicits anything. But since the Thought Catalog days, I was reading every single one of our guests' posts. I know. And we don't have to talk about it. But I am a devout acolyte of the guest. And this is actually some pre-I-don't-think-so-many rage for you.

Yeah, I know you really activated. I activated. I didn't get the copy. But you know I'm reading it poolside this summer. Well, speaking of sort of by the water, you were mentioning the cover. Describe how hot the cover is. It's a really hot cover. You've got like

sort of like a glistened back. I love backs. Some of the a a glistened back i love backs some of the hottest body parts give it up for backs uh well did i did you i've told you about the first time i ever real the moment i realized i was gay right whose back was that it was this kid this neighborhood boy his name was matt ripple ripple very much rhymes with the nipple and he came over to my house i was 11 years old and we were playing in my pool. And later that night, I thought of his back. And in an instant realized I wanted to like fuck his back.

And I realized in that moment I was gay. So backs are very sexual and important. And I think that our guests sort of knew that by putting this very evocative back on the cover of. Gorgeous back. His debut novel. Okay. So, wow. Give it up.

Novelist. Novelist. Writer. Creator. Creator of the iconic show special. We had Poonam on last week. Now we have the star of special. Sorry, Poonam.

Sorry, Poonam. But you were billed number two. And that happens in Hollywood sometimes. Boo fucking hoo. Oh, I don't know what it's like to be number one on the call sheet. That's something I'll never know. Bowen, you know that's not true. I don't. It's not a guarantee for anyone.

You know what's going to happen when we eventually get our film off the ground. It's going to be Bowen Gang number one. It's going to be alphabetical. It's going to be alphabetical. It's not going to be alphabetical. I'm so excited to read it over the summer, though. It's the perfect be alphabetical. It's going to be alphabetical. It's not going to be alphabetical. I'm so excited to read it over the summer though. It's the perfect summer read. You really are going to like it.

I mean, it's the book has dragged me several times and I don't mean me personally. I mean me sort of as a person, the book drags people that stand Kyle Richards. It is a, he calls it a mark of basicness. The book drags people who mostly have West Elm furniture. I really took that one to heart as well um you know but the book is um like the beach house episode of girls a work of art which is a line on page one of this book which i appreciate the beach house episode of

girls would i read it to you i'm gonna read oh my god wait you know you know what i wanted to say to one of my co-workers this week won't say who, but just know that... No, no, it was this. What, you think I want to be like you? Like mentally ill? You think I want to be like you? You want to be like you? Like mentally ill?

So good. Such a good line reading. This is the line. Okay, you can read it. Okay, so they're talking about a man's penis. Yeah. And the quote is... Love is that it's like the beach house episode of girls a work of art and oh i mean you're hooked you're hooked and that's

page one i'm even i i didn't think i could get more angry that i don't have the i don't have the hard copy in my hands well everybody who announced announced that Ryan's publicist is fired, fired. And we're also here to say June 7th is when the book comes out. And two days later, two days later, it's too fucking much queer as folk. The revival comes out. Did you watch this trailer?

I did. I was, I was in, was glued. I didn't need the trailer to be in, but I was like, well, fuck I'm nine and i

asked him about his june and he said mute me on instagram and i will relate no everyone better mute me on instagram in june oh yeah us too we have a lot of annoying shit coming up um but listen this is a true honor. And I think, like, sort of, it's really been time to have him on the pod. No, it's been time. It's been time. We've all admired each other from afar or from up close at the same pool parties. Just by looking at him. Just by looking at him.

Everyone, please welcome into your ears. Ryan O'Connell! Welcome, diva. That was absolute hell. First of all, you set me on a fucking journey. First of all, my first thought was like, wow, I wonder if things have changed since they both

become famous, and then all of a sudden Bowen's like, anyway, I just had a ball at Sandy. Sandy, sorry. Sandy. I was giving her a line reading, and then I was like, not a line reading. Okay, well, whatever. I'm like, things have shifted. Things have shifted.

And then all of a sudden, Bowen, how dare you drop the words thought catalog. I was like, humbled, humbled, humbled, humbled. Go back to your roots. We all have origins, Ryan. We do.

We do. And mine are just very public. But, you know, it is what it is, baby. It is what it is. But I feel like you were one of those first people and and you've since transcended this sort of like type of existence but like you were one of those internet people who were like speaking to like a very queer like readership in an audience and like when when like not a lot of when not a lot of people were doing that when it was like oh richard lawson's gonna write like a goodbye post on gawker as fucking tinsley mortimer

and like that's like the best we're ever gonna get but then but then ryan o'connell comes along and we're like oh my god this fucking idiot is ranking all the tracks on blackout like hell yes i that was a huge moment for me ryan i gotta say when i was working my shitty day job in college i was like reading i was reading thought catalog every day and being like this guy gets it well it was like a hipster sweatshop it was like i had to write i had to like write like repost today it was like i truly was it was it was a time it was a lot of it was a lot of pills it was a lot of stuff and it was a lot of feelings right and um yeah you know i look back at 24 year old me and i'm like wow she's got she got she's got balls

just put it in yeah like she's got something to say you know what i mean and it was this bizarre micro fame of like if i went to metropolitan i was like literally brangelina like if i was like like literally for like for for seven months i was like brangelina of metropolitan at 24 and then that was it that's your that that's a 24 year old's dream though oh that kind of yeah yeah it's all i wanted but i couldn't get laid to save my life but i tried like like you know i'd have like you know like readers of thought cuddle come up to me but it was i couldn't i couldn't land the plane baby couldn't land the plane oh this is this is basically my reality now which is so refreshing to hear i mean it's nice to hear that you and you and you as a 24 year old were experiencing things yeah matt and i experience now well self-loathing trumps micro fame

yeah yeah um do you i mean matt and i like talk all the time about like oh gosh like do we how much do we identify with like ourselves back then but i feel like maybe all three of us have like for the best really moved past those people like like like become different people i i will you know what's funny like a comment that i often get like from people that that listen to this podcast are like you like we still love the pod but you guys don't really go there like you used to and i'm like what like ripping anna kendrick limb from limb publicly no we can't really do that like you know what i mean like it's like and sometimes i do think about because bowen and i wrote for vulture i mean like we we did the ranking things like one time but one

of the one of the most iconic things about when that we did was what did we rank every drag race runway look i think we did which which we had no business doing we ranked every snatch game and every runway look and now it's like we look back and it's like yeah that was to that was to get that was to make 700 each each. We had to. That's a lot. That's actually a lot. It was way more than we had been getting. Yeah.

But you do what you have to do. You comment as like a niche gay internet person, which, I mean, we all know what it's like. But when they're going to pay you money and it's like, I don't have to wait an extra day of tables that time. Like, I'll go online and be a little snarky internet gay. Like, you know, I have the ability to do it and they're going to give me a hundred bucks to write this drag recap. So why not?

Absolutely. I mean, it was also a different time online. Like, I was writing for Thought Cutter like from like 2010 to like 2012. Like, it just wasn't, like, it's like when people like went on twitter to like lol get a job writing comedy like it was like like you know it was like the it was a much it was a much easier window yeah it was like it's like when you like couldn't do like a viral joke account and like like literally get a back deal from like literally being like blah blah blah things say um so it was like very like oh wasn't it so sweet and innocent back then you know what

i mean it was an easier time you know what i mean i mean people still came for me like gawker used to write posts like literally ripping me a new asshole like every single day but um i loved it you loved it you loved it we just we pissed we pissed someone off recently matt on um the 300 songs so in 300 songs of the great global songbook we meet me at our spot was somewhere in there and we said meet me at our spot by Willow and some guy named Tyler

and then Tyler Cole himself commented on my grid post at least thanks for the disrespect well listen and I was like I'm not gonna engage in this like this is like you know like he has like one of the biggest songs in the last like two years he's fine he doesn't need me to like acknowledge his existence

whatever what i was just like oh but people still get salty that's the thing is it's like this thing of like this you i think the three of us know we are not to be taken seriously and so when people do it's like honey that's your fault. You went ahead and lived life and decided to take me, Matt Rogers, seriously. And you need to invoke the words of another podcast, seek treatment. I mean, if you take anything I ever do or say seriously,

it's a huge problem that you have. Seriously. Well, when I drag people i take it very seriously oh who's the last person you like genuinely dragged yeah who's the last person you like like openly yeah who do you hate i guess is it is it okay to rehash it here well no i mean i feel like i feel like i'm pretty open about who i just like the housewives the bravo people which is like kind of like whatever but i also feel like but i also feel like in that space like going i'm going on watch what happens live like next month and it's

like this interesting space where like you can drag but you can't like totally drag so no it's i know as we actually both know in different forms yeah yeah so honey it's giving tightrope it's giving tightrope walk you know what i mean giving tightrope so it's a little like so that's a little tricky dicky but um i don't know i can't be tamed honestly like i got a mouth and like i i the more i mean the more famous people i meet the more i'm convinced that everyone is truly mentally ill and i get more annoyed by everybody being psychotic and i don't feel like i want to hold back from any of that because i also feel like putting famous people on a pedestal is deeply wrong because if anyone met anyone for five minutes they would want to run away screaming if

they're emotionally healthy you know what i mean right. I hope you don't take me coaching Sandra Bullock through a line as psychosis. No, that was like, you were on set. Yeah. Yeah. That was going to be my press anecdote.

But sometimes you're on set. Sometimes you're on set. Sometimes you're on set. Sometimes you're on set and even the most famous, iconic actresses in the world don't know their fucking lines. And it's happening right now, tonight, in Hollywood.

Tonight, somewhere in Hollywood. Somewhere tonight, Julia Roberts is turning to her left, being like, what is it? And some over-prepared little fag is like, it's this. Oh my God. I met Julia Roberts once when I was 12 years old. Oh, Jesus. Some over-prepared little fag is like, it's this. Oh my God. I met Julia Roberts once when I was 12 years old. Oh Jesus.

You know, Erin Brockovich, not to brag, you know that house that she lived in that had rodents? Yeah, iconic, iconic bat house. Yeah, she was deeply poor. That was my next door neighbor. What? You were in Erin Eckhart's house. Well, no, I mean, actually, sorry. I was behind's house well no i mean actually sorry i was behind the house i'm so sorry i was still no you're not a neighbor bitch when we got when

we got the when we got the notice my my heart fell to my asshole and i literally took to my mom and i said mom oh no is she poor in the movie like i was like oh because we were we were so yeah well i mean like i was like honey like if hollywood's gonna come here it's not to like you know it's not for glitz and glam you know what i mean and then your mom yeah your mom dropped all the plates in her kitchen and said who lives like this who lives like this who lives like this no that was my that was my 12 girl dramatic ass after i saw her in the theater's opening night. I was like, mom, how dare you? Julia, Julia, rescue me.

And I got her autograph. She autographed my Us Weekly that she was on the cover of. Oh, iconic. While she was on location, on set, as it were? Absolutely. Honey, she was on set. Honey, she was on set. I hope the literal line on the cover was like,

which one of Julia Roberts' tits are aliens? Us Weekly became truly trash around that time. But there was a time when it was respectable. And it's kind of around that time. That was great. So that's so amazing that you actually, that's a really important thing. It was still respectable.

So it was, it was like the last dregs of the respectability era. And I think it became quickly, us weekly after she wrapped, after she wrapped. Right. But she was there for like two weeks, babe.

I mean, it was like real, like Julia was in the neighborhood. You know what I mean? She was giving that Miss Wichita monologue, like yards away from you. Oh, yeah, of course. Are you kidding me? And they're called Boobshead.

Actually, that was probably, no, that was somewhere else. But yes, of course. There was so much going on. I love that movie. I mean, it's one of the great movies. Endlessly quotable. It's incredible.

It's moving. I always cry when she like, where does she go to? She goes to like- In the car? No, she goes to like, it's when she gives the settlement to like either marge or cherry jones it's marg helgenberger it's when she's they say how much she says how much money is going to her family out of the settlement and marg goes i don't even know how much money that is yeah yeah but it's also but it's also, isn't it,

doesn't Cherry at some point go like, we're going to get them, Erin, right? We're going to get them. No, that's Marg. That's Marg. Come with me, we're going to get them. Cherry kind of, she's kind of stoic the whole movie.

Cherry doesn't really have, yeah. Cherry doesn't show much emotion. Yeah, Cherry's the one that she has to convince and she's not budging. Yeah. Right. What the hell is her name in the movie? Pamela Duncan wouldn't even get on the phone with me.

Pamela Duncan. Honey, you better name your character. This is a huge note. I know there's a lot of actors listening but there's also a lot of screenwriters listening. What I want to tell them is it's Rule of culture number 102 you better name

your character especially something like Pamela Duncan Miss Pamela Duncan who's a tough bitch because she's been sick for a while and so have her kids I can't come up with names I truly black out

and I've never heard a name in my life. It's so hard. I can't come up with a real sounding name. All my names are like Pamela Guna or like Mariah Tuch. The reality is real names are stranger.

They almost sound fake. Like Matt Ripple. That's a fake name. That's like porn. Do you know what I mean? But the real names are actually like you wouldn wouldn't believe it you'd write it and be like this doesn't exist like actually yeah this fall on bravo it's time to turn up think you've seen it all i don't think you've been a good friend to me lately we're friends like that who needs enemies you ain't seen nothing yet here's to being dramatic with the real housewives of potomac oh my gosh can i take this in it's gonna be amazing new york city

everyone is a gossip no one gets a happier life salt lake city we don't wear pastels we wear fashion and below deck sailing you broke the rules and now you're here getting upset watch all new seasons on bravo or stream it on City TV+. Let's have a real good time. I felt too seen. Dragged. I'm N.K. and this is Basket Case. So I basically had what back in the day they would call a nervous breakdown.

I was crying and I was inconsolable. It was just very big sudden swaps of different meds. What is wrong with me? Oh, look at you giving me therapy, girl. Finally, a show for the mentally ill girlies. On Basket Case, I talk to people about what happens when what we call mental health is shaped by the conditions of the world we live in. Because if you haven't noticed, we are experiencing some kind of conditions that are pretty hard to live with. But if you struggle to cope, the society that created the conditions in the first place will tell you there's something wrong with you.

And it will call you a basket case. Listen to Basket Case every Tuesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, friends. I'm Jessica Capshaw. And this is Camilla Luddington. And we have a new podcast, Call It What It Is. You may know us from Graceland Memorial, but did you know that we are actually besties in real life?

And as all besties do, we navigate the highs and lows of life together. And what does that look like? A thousand pep talks. A million I've got you's. Some very urgent I'm coming over's. Because, I don't know, let's face it, life can get even crazier than a season finale of Grey's Anatomy. And now here we are opening up the friendship circle. To you. Someone's cheating? We've got you on that. In-laws are in-lying? Let's get into it. Toxic friendship? Air it out. We're on your side to help you with your concerns. Talk about ours.

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slash H-E-L-P. Together, we we are giving kitchen we help food service workers okay can i say something about the book though what he does drag people who name their dogs human names and that is very much a direct drag on jared frieder wait what are you talking about jane no jane is jane no jane is so cute jane's a cute name there are certain names that are real that have versatility jane is verse okay it goes yeah a dog can be a human it can go from human scott scott is like a no scott can't be a dog no and then i think in the book i named the monica mon. Monica. I actually think Monica is verse. No, it's not.

Ashley is not verse. You can't name a dog Ashley. I think you could. That's psychotic. Like, Ashley, you can't be like, Monica. I see. And also what I love is the character in the book who's named his dog monica is like a

showrunner head writer of a tv show and it's so like my favorite character on friends was monica and that's why i named my dog that in 1994 the dog's fucking old but you know or maybe it's even lamer to have named the dog monica after monica from friends in like 2019 yeah honey it's all profoundly lame have you ever worked on a multi-cam i haven't had the pleasure i guess bowen sort of does it's snl's basically multi-cam rule of culture it's rule of culture number 49 snl's basically multi-cam oh my god a picture just fell off my wall and you know who that is? What picture? Oh my god, Lorne. Lorne. He's so mad. Literally, a photo of me from Have You Heard of Christmas just fell

off the wall and plummeted to the ground and it was the spirit of Lorne. No, that's Chuck Lorre. That's Chuck Lorre. He's like, don't you dare come into my house. Both these men still alive, by the way. Oh my god, I know. Well, Chuck Lorre's gonna be weakened at 30s at some point you're gonna like exhume his body from that yeah um i let's just i definitely i definitely

let's just say i definitely love the book um and it's it's really is so great and like you know what i love about this and bowen we were saying short chapters yes oh i love it i'm so horny for a short chapter like think about like think about less than zero think about play it as it lays like there's there's a lot i love a short chap but also the way that happened wasn't even like a by design i i didn't even try to write a novel it was just like a special that just shut down we were in quarantine it was like april i realized that the world that we were living in was hell and i was like okay like why don't i build myself a new world that i can get lost in every few like a couple hours a day and then so i just wrote a thousand words a day and i thought

oh surely this will run out of steam like i don't this is just like i it was like a choose your own adventure and so i would just write yeah i would write a thousand words a day and feel like i was going to hit a wall but then i just just dot, dot, dot, never did. So I feel like the short chaps were just how I wrote it once a day, basically. Wow. I mean, isn't that like the ideal creative scenario where you just like are plopping clay on the table over time? And then by the end, you're like, oh, I have a novel. I'm so fucking spooked because the experience was so tbh gorgeous and i feel like

whenever you're supposed to talk about novels we're like oh years suffering pain well people can't stop talking about how hard it is i'm like shut up like i'm sure it's hard i'm sure i don't want to hear about how hard your process was no like there are some literal books and i won't name names because I literally can't, but someone's autobiography, it literally starts, continues to be about, and ends with how hard it was to write the book. And I'm like, shut up, mama. Stop.

Tell your funny stories and let's go. Wait, I feel like I know which one you're talking about. Oh, fair. I know, I know. Here, bleep this out. Oh, oh, God, that one's a deep cut that came out like years ago and you could tell that was like held together by silly string yeah yeah well someone had a deal let's just say that no I also love like when they're like oh I just like I had to write this book and

you're like no you actually didn't and you have so much money so like why did you need this and by the way even like a lot of money in book it's still like not a lot of money so it's sort of like why did you do this dot dot dot like so confusing it's not like life-changing it's not life-changing no it's like why did you do this dot dot dot like truly like i'm sorry like like i'm sorry you were so miserable like you could have just literally sat this one out and still been insanely rich yeah like how much money does one person need you know i think that answer is gonna scare a lot of people you know what i mean like how much how much money well i think being around really wealthy people like the furnace gets bigger and bigger you have to feed the furnace and all of a sudden you can't imagine living life for under 20 grand a month

and you're just like wait like you know like and it's that's when it gets a little spooky spaghetti do you know what i mean i'm i'm very close to like pumping the brakes or just like looking through the books and being like oh honey like slow my burn honey close the book close honey that book is haunted close it close it close it i don't know i think like thinking the book. Honey, that book is haunted. Close it. Close it. Close it. Close it. I don't know. I think, like, thinking the book is haunted is gonna, like, ruin my life. If I keep thinking the book is haunted, I mean, I should just get over my fear and just, like, do it. It's like starting an email that you, like, are dreading writing. Or it's like, every Saturday, like, I try to, like, watch the rehearsal tapes from the week.

And then I always dread doing it. But then I watch it and then it's fine. And I feel like it's that similar thing of like oh i don't want to do this but i know i have to or i should mine is resonating at all no no mine is never fun with us all about relatability um no mine is all about being salt of the earth oh no mine is never good it's never like i have never opened my big gun like oh my there's more than i like wow i've actually not been so bad it's always like you must be joking and it's because i yeah i'm like i'm like an uber suv like honey again like are you okay like literally are you okay but like i need to be like if i'm going to the west side i need to be swaddled in comfort like i need to like you know what i mean like if it's a long distance i mean

i don't know is this like that and no that is the one thing now now that i have now that i'm a gay man with with and who will have no children with no partner and i have play money what i have been blowing it on is is the the extra big lift and like it's it's it's it's you guys don't need to do that no i know we do we do we do i know we do we do so we do no i mean hello like to have control over the music i mean profound like literally being like oh can we do the bluetooth hookup i mean are you kidding me gorgeous and i can't stress enough how important it is in la to be able to choose the words quiet ride because these girls are really girls want to talk into talking they're so into talking and you really get the craziest people in la i'm so sorry when you have like a regular lift the regular lift drivers some of them and bowen you this. Do you remember when we were in LA, that crazy woman who drove us up a hill?

You remember that crazy woman who drove us up a hill. Remind me, remind me. Mama, it was in Silver Lake. I think we were going to like Billy's house. And we were being driven by this woman who was talking about how she wanted to make Ly lift more of an experience she was like i want to do lift but it's also a hotel and i'm a tour guide she was literally like she was running the show we got in i don't think we said a word she was like hey my name is so and

so and i want this to be the best experience possible in fact i have a lot of plans for my future i want to open a lift where i don't leave you alone the entire time you're in la and it was just like i'm sorry but if i can throw some money at this problem aka get in a lift where i've chosen the words quiet ride yeah you in la you must and i yeah if it's if it's that shitty thing that i'm spending expendable income on then that's that so be it it really don't get the SUVs why not the environment Ryan I'm right here I'm right here all I have to say is that last night

I had to go to Venice to eat vegan food it's like the gay draft you have to do it once a year and literally your name gets called you have to go to Venice to eat vegan food and I was like i'm so profoundly unsoothed by eating like having this moment that i need to get into an uber i need to play protection by massive attack and i need to literally zoom my way home do you know what i mean it's like that's literally what i need and maybe some sneaker pimps too do you know what i

mean like that's just sort of my vibe and it was right it was honestly honestly hashtag recommended. It was amazing. Listen, okay? It sort of is. And Bowen, I mean... Massive attack hive, rise up. Massive attack hive, rise up. And also, I mean, especially to and from airports. Get me in a boat. Get me in another plane to my house.

Yeah. Also because those are the only ones that pick you up at the lax airport now well you just have to get a car service but you have to get like call ahead and have someone you know what i mean well i don't know that that might be a step too far for me listen to you you're like kyle richard stands up and you're talking like this i'm really i'm a bad influence baby don't stick with me don't you'll be filing for bankruptcy in about like two months it's honestly it's not okay. Wait, are you?

Go, Beau. I was going to ask, is this your, did you pick out this gorgeous wallpaper behind you? No, it came with the house, but. Oh, great. But we did, we did, we did install our own Tom of Finland wallpaper into the bathroom because we want to. Lovely. You know, so it's like guys getting DP'd while you pee.

And I just felt like very appropriate. It was just like a way to like let the neighborhood know that like gays have moved in the kids are dead like let's move on sure i mean well you're inviting everyone from the neighborhood to the bathroom oh absolutely it's the only way it's the only way to know how to get to know people wait um are you up to date on beverly hills have you watched the first two um i've seen yes yes i have yes i have yeah it's it's so the first episode was so heavy obviously um sutton's reaction was absolutely bone chilling um absolutely bone chilling like it's truly like and then when she doubled down on it i mean by the way talk about i mean by the way you mentioned me dragging kyle richards but have you gotten to the amendum about kyle richards no not yet oh okay so i revised my opinion about her later in the book you revised your opinion on kyle yes

yeah yeah and i and i say that she is she is kind of basic but she's an excellent producer and she provides access to kim richards and kathy hilton which are national treasures yes so the thing with kyle is that honey she's producing she's going to work honey she's pounding the pavement yes and she's very savvy and she knows exactly how people are coming off so when when sutton and her had the meet and greet where she was basically like i'm going to give you the space to apologize for being a true sociopath yesterday. And then, like, you know, Sutton double triples down on having a bad day. Then you can see Kyle being like, oh, honey, like, you're not doing this correctly. Do you know what I mean? She's very, no, which was what makes her a very good audience surrogate is that she knows what is being perceived how things are

going to come off absolutely in the edit yeah but it's like and like lisa renna is giving ai cyborg this season she was getting ai cyborg last season but now it's really giving ai it's like i i truly like her soul has left the building it's just a lot of it's a lot of screams it's a lot of screams. It's a lot of, yes! Woo! Girl! Really? Beautiful! Ah! Ah! You know what I mean? Like, hurry! You're my best! It's literally like a robot.

Like, I'm literally like, honey? Like, are you okay? So, you know, look, I'm stunned that we could be here in this place talking about Beverly Hills because there was such a profound nosedive in quality for about four or five seasons. And because I'm deeply unwell, and we'll stick through these girls through anything, including Lucy Lucy Applejuice. That was terrible. We have suffered so

much collectively. They put us through hell. And we are finally being rewarded. Yes, we are. Which I love, but holy shit, did we have to wait. Did we have to wait. we have to wait yeah the um you know what i love what what well talking about kyle like what what is what the my favorite thing about kyle is she is the best it's exactly what bowen said she is the best housewife at being us

like she is all of us right now is very k Richards vibes. She can cry because someone is even feeling a little bit sad. She is extremely sympathetic and she's very good at at least portraying empathy. And she is the bleeding heart of the show. But the thing with her is, and it's sort of what Dorit is not very good at. It always feels natural. of what Dorit is not very good at. It always feels natural. Whereas with Dorit, I think even though she's gone through an extreme trauma, she could not hide the fact that, and I'm sorry for people that disagree.

I'm sorry, but in that scene where she's telling Mauricio and the girls what happened to her, there is a little glimmer of glee in her eye. Because she knows she is holding the center diamond and no one will be able to touch the storyline and it's dark but it's it it it and you guys agree with me you agree Matt I'm getting full body chills because I also felt

that way but then I felt so bad for thinking that way because I'm like you know reality shows have really kind of like done a number on me like I believe you know yeah in terms of like benefit of the doubt i like feel like everyone's just a human garbage can after watching them so right when dorit was when i saw the glimmer when i saw that glimmer i was like okay ryan you're just you just you need to have some faith like you know what i mean like she this is crazy but i i saw it and I just think, you know, wow. It was intense. I'm saying it out loud. It was intense. Bowen, did you see it?

I did. And I'm just thinking, I've always thought about this for all reality shows, like even 90 Day, where it's like you see the fucking, you see the lighting rigs in the shot. 90 Day doesn't really concern itself with

faking it that it's like an authentic moment. Sometimes Housewives does that. But I go, something in your brain has to like, a small half lobe in your brain has to like die for you to like be able to live your life out while cameras are rolling and lights like, blasting in your face, that, like, you were only thinking ahead to, like, the tableau and the title sequence, like, where am I landing in the do I get center diamond? Like, I think, like, I think you guys are right. I just don't necessarily blame

Dorit for that. I don't either. And I do want to stress, like, what happened to her is traumatic. And I think it's real. I think it really happened to her. Let me say on the record, some people are getting to arguments with me saying, I don't think it happened.

I'm like, no, that is truly dark to say. I don't think, but here's what I'm saying. I'm commenting not on Dorit. I'm commenting on the fact that it was like involuntary. And that is something that i would state about all of the housewives right the only person who i think it looked like abject was having a bad time with their shitty storyline recently has been erica because i think that you know her entire image was at stake at like what happened and it was happening to her and what happened to doreen

had happened to her so whether it was like part of her process or whatever moving forward i and obviously she was incredibly upset and disturbed and traumatized and i'm sure we'll see it in future episodes i just think that when there are cameras on you in that scenario and you and what that what you were all trying to do is stay on the show no you're not thankful that that happened to you but there was a little moment where she activated and was doing housewives again on the show which is crazy considering there had been a gun in her face in her home. And that is what I'm saying. Does that make sense? Yeah.

It's like, Bowen's right. It rewires your brain. It really, it changes how you process things that happen to you. And you do look at things in terms of your life, in terms of storylines, in terms of like what your arc is going to be,

whether or not you're going to be untouchable from criticism. And like, this definitely gets her a get out of jail free card for sure. Yeah and it's just i mean i don't know it's so profoundly disturbing to me but also like babe i'm here babe i'm here wait i just want to ask you both thoughts on diana jenkins who i think is the best new housewife intro in years. Very exciting. Since Dorinda maybe. Yeah. It's very exciting. She's, I mean, she's a little I mean, she's odd. She's an odd duck. You know what I mean? But we don't

want normal woman fiends. No! Of course not! And she's not giving that. Let me tell you that right now. She is not giving that. She has, of course she has the weird accent down. We have a weirder accent than Dorit. We have more money than Erica. We have a weirder accent than Dorit. We have more money than Erica. We have more dismissive than anything Vanderpump would ever do.

When she came in and she said to the conflict of the show, this is tacky, we need a new topic. Classless. This is classless. Classless. I love it. I love when a new housewife doesn't get the memo and really comes in hot and blazes through.

And you're like oh honey you blew your load a little quickly like you're already you're already producing because that that's the thing okay i love her whatever whatever like we'll see where she goes but i think she's very very conch of like what her job is and i and i'm already seeing that happen i'm already seeing like her being like okay like what am i gonna do okay well i'm gonna ruffle some feathers i mean like this is classless which by the way is like put a super cut of like all the classless women saying this is classless like okay like honey update computer i'm bored so it's like you know but but so there is a little bit of like self-awareness but that is a hallmark of the beverly hills

franchise they're so they're so savvy that that's part of part of why the franchise has been less fun um until of course erica jane allegedly embezzled millions of dollars thank god and got us all back on track but um but it's like because they are so hyper fucking aware of what to do and it's just it's not as pleasurable. You know what I mean? Yeah. I do find it amusing that I, I, my theory is that,

uh, Asher, her partner and her son are clearly fucking or something. I don't know. Like, I would love that. I would love that. The husband is,

I think, I don't know if they're married or they're, they're just dating. They are engaged or like extremely serious. Either one. He, he, he fucks dudes for sure. Yeah. Sure. they're just dating they are I believe engaged or like extremely serious either one he he fucks dudes for sure

Asher Broadway's Asher Broadway's Asher I don't know if I'd necessarily who greeted Garcelle like hey gorgeous you look stunning like something along those lines

I know hey mama look at you actually slaying the house down by the way I loved your role in the Jamie Foxx show. I'm a huge Garcelle fan. Yeah,

that's my wife over there. I love when gays... I love when gays infiltrate the simulation. I love when gays... I love when gays get in. You know what I mean? And they take a lonely, vulnerable, wealthy woman

and they just slide up and they just get right in there you know what i mean that's that's plato's gay cave is that you realize it's a projection and then you want to go into the projection absolutely and gay grifter i mean hello there's so many gay grifter gay grifter it's like like tales old as time i mean sutton literally will once a week if you hang out at high tops enough, you will see Sutton walk down Santa Monica Boulevard with her gay, who allegedly was called F.A.G. by Kathy Hilton this season, although it's been disputed.

I hope to see that. I wish, I want it to be true. I want it to be true. No, by the way, of course fucking, like, Kathy Hilton said that. Here's the thing. There is some weird past that the hiltons have always gone in terms of their history with like racism and like 100 yes like always paris hilton has been openly racist for like saying the n-word all these horrible things and she gets and

like people just like then she's like oops i was traumatized my utah boarding school yes and people are like oh my god queen we love a redemption narrative yes we've been so harsh on you blah blah i mean obviously both can be true but like but it's just like they're republicans babe i don't know what to tell you like kathy hillen is probably friends with gays and then like literally is like love you like a sister and then votes against their rights when they're gone i mean like literally like i don't know it's like it's not surprising to me and anyone that thinks that they're like actually for them is like disturbed you know what i mean yeah there are limits to like restitution narratives that are like very much in vogue right now like i don't know you you gotta go like well paris silton was is like kind of like pound for pound like a

bad person you know like just like in terms of like if you like go through like if you sort of look at the totality of the person of Paris Hilton like and like I say this to someone who's met her with math same god we've changed I'm like I don't I don't love you

I don't like I don't like worship you the way that like I think she thinks that everyone else does I don't love you. I don't like worship you the way that like, I think she thinks that everyone else does. I don't know. Yeah. Anyway. I definitely, well, here's what I'd say about Paris Hilton. We definitely sang her second most famous song to her.

Nothing in this world. Nothing in this world. Which by the way is the better one. It's the better one. It's the better one. And so that's, and just to sort of own up completely to our stand-up to her face. Your hands are not clean. No,

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We got to ask Ryan the question. We really do. Matt, why don't you do it? Ryan, this is the big question of Las Culturistas, and the question is as follows. What was the culture that made you say, culture is for me? Okay, can I be like a pretentious bitch about it?

Yeah, 100%. Yes. Okay. Growing up, I loved indie films okay i did i love oh here we go the era of greg iraki okay so who by the way this is this is my i've changed moment i've become friends with greg and like greg doesn't understand how important he is to me like i think really well i mean i told him i've told him but he's kind of like lol town usa and like doesn't really like take anything seriously so i'm kind of like okay but no like i'm truly addicted to you and like not only did you introduce me to shoegaze which is like the only music i listen to but it's

like but also like you're you know like the living end and nowhere the doom generation like yeah like kaboom white bird and a blizzard like it's just so seminal i mean like and but especially in the early 90s he was making these gay art films that were just so incredible and so funny and dark and weird so like i watched those as like a very very very small child because my parents did not give me any rules um um so i was i was doing that and then i was like watching and then of course like greg was really important to me and then uh parker posey which is like the day trippers house of yes um like uh you know um clock watchers with lisa kudrow yeah and tony clatt and alani yubak i mean i was like an indie film fucking freak i had this babysitter

who was a lesbian well not at the time like not out but like honey game recognized energetically she was yeah she literally was a softball coach which was a little on the nose but yeah um and she took me to see last days of disco when when I was like 10 years old, like with Chloe Sevigny. And like, I just, I just loved those movies so, so deeply. And I was like, okay, there is like a gorgeous life. I felt like Belle and the Beauty and the Beast, like there must be more to this potential life.

I mean, you know, as we know, I grew up on Erin Brockovich Street. Yeah. And then these were, this was your library in the Beast's Castle. You were like, oh my God. Absolutely. And then another major moment was watching the show Popular, the Ryan Murphy's first show. Wow.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there was these two truly, truly deranged characters, Mary Cherry and Nicole Julian. Oh, we know them. Oh, yeah. Leslie Grossman and Tammy Lynn Michaels. And, oh, Leslie Grossman, also a person that I've met and hung out with. And I'm like, you don't understand what this is.

I know. Yeah. I know. She, like, downplays her whole, like, what she means to gay people. No, I know. Or just people. No, I no i know by the way we went to la scala of course and she like and also and also she gave me a ride home she's like do you need a ride i was like um wow how was the driving because i feel like that could go either way

it was incredible it was a natural it was a it was it was a natural extension of the moment it was a nap you know what i mean it was it not, it was not like, oh, this got awkward now that we're like, not at church, you know what's called. So, yeah. She truly is an icon that I feel like people, everyone knows in their heart. But for some reason, like, maybe not everyone knows her name, but like, she is like singular. Yes. She's that girl. Oh, absolutely.

So, I mean, i was that bitch like i saw virgin suicides in the theater when i was like 12 and i was like okay obsessed with sofia coppola obsessed with kirsten dunst i mean i've always been obsessed with kirsten so like but like popular was the first time truly i think i realized i was gay because there used to be this message board called television without pity um which was like the original episode recap but it was like 1998 dell computer vibes you know what i mean so it was like yeah okay oh my god say okay of course yes um it's like a lifeline yeah um and i remember like there was one episode of popular where they're like oh this is about josh because like getting on the football team who cares the

only people watching this are women and gay men and i was like and me and then i was like oh right i think i might be gay and i mean i was like literally like in um roll call in middle school saying like they'd be like ryan o'connell be like thank you like nicole julian like literally like i like oh my god yeah it seeped into your personality oh i became i became nicole julian and mary cherry yeah but that was like the first time i really understood like a queer sensibility and what that meant yeah and then of course you know you mosey on over to susan santa x notes on camp and then it's all makes sense to you you know what i mean yes but those were i mean it was but yeah it was basically that me being like an indie little

bitch except my crush being parker Posey you know what I mean yeah you're that's really um the breadth of that is is really is great you know I've been watching a lot of Christopher Guest lately and truly just I honestly think what she does in those movies too is just it's so people don't she is like she honestly deserves like a lifetime achievement Oscar now for how singular she is to cinema and how she important how important she was in the world you described and also just the world of those mockumentary films like she is truly singular and needs even if I don't even know if she wants this but she needs the moment that like

jennifer coolidge is happening that that like of course she wants it are you kidding me part of her makes me feel like she might be just too fucking cool for that like she doesn't give a fuck but then again she was in superman she was no honey i think she really wants it yeah yeah i mean who doesn't you know i mean but I think I think she's having her moment she's in the staircase which by the way I typically don't even watch scripted besides I love that for you which of course

I'm not even kidding you like I am so obsessed with it genuinely and you are so Nat you're so fucking funny in it I'm like okay she's an actor like okay like she's giving actor like I love it thank you for saying fucking funny in it i'm like okay she's an actor like okay like she's giving actor like thank you for saying this i'm appreciative it's honestly it's it's really just fun to that character's fun to play which is like thank fucking god because we get i mean we get offered

so many things that are just like you know come in and like ask someone where where you want to put something down and so you get a character that's like fun to play and you don't have to write yourself that's huge yeah i mean i cannot i cannot and also it's just like deliciously weird it's a weird show thanks i appreciate i just love like when a show is not afraid to just be like cuckoo magoo you know what i mean yeah it's it's definitely giving vanessa yeah you know what i mean? It's so much Vanessa, but in the best way. No, I love it. No, I know. It's insane.

She can literally just exist, and it's like legit, lol, tell me what's that. But that's Parker. And I guess that's what I mean about maybe she doesn't even give a fuck, because she, to me, exists in a different plane of existence, and she need not care about all that shit. But then again, I guess it does matter. It does.

It absolutely matters. Cause of course, like she works really hard. I mean, anyone that works really hard, like once recognition, that's sort of like, and I mean,

for someone to be beyond that is either like lobotomized or lying. You know what I mean? Yeah. So we love, actually, um, my friend Craig just directed her in a movie with Lisa. And I was like,

first of all, you're hanging out, you're hanging movie with Lisa. And I was like, first of all, you're hanging out, you're hanging out with literally half of clock watchers, which he's never seen. And I was like, okay. And I was like, I'm literally like going to fly to fucking Massachusetts and like crash this.

This is insane. I would be like, I would be so overwhelmed being, and by the way, I don't want to meet, like we talked before, like I don't want to meet any famous people because I'm scared of all of them and they're usually very unwell.

But Lisa, I would say Lisa's one I would want to meet, Lisa Kudrow, Parker Posey. I would love Mary-Kate Olsen. I would love Chloe, Chloe Sevigny for sure. I bet that one's a cheat. Chloe. I know, but I think that's kind of it. I think those are like my four that i

actually would want to meet everyone else can literally like go i'm just avoid you know what i mean yeah yeah oh and i guess honestly kim cattrall was someone that i was obviously a big fan of and now she plays my mom so that was actually really amazing i was wondering oh how what was that like honey she is mage first of all i like i think that people are entering an era of like realizing how funny and cool she is like did you see that variety interview she did i didn't read it but oh my god i saw okay okay you should because she is so fucking funny she's dry as a goddamn bone and she just like gives no fucks in this really refreshingly honest way which like honestly if you've been

working forever like why should you give any fucks like live your best fucking life and like be honest about things and like that's amazing so i feel like people are like really addicted to her right now which like working with her was such a dream she was such a delight she just she just gets it she just fucking gets it which like you know it's not always the case right totally yeah i mean i'm bowen and i sort of feel we've said on this podcast that well bone do you agree with me when i say if you've been famous for 15 years at this point you have you need to retire i think we need all the famous people we were saying new famous people after the chris rock will smith slap i think we got on um insta live and we're like i think we just need a refresh we can talk about some people case by case but general rule if you've been famous for 15 years or more probably we need to i'm not saying they go somewhere i'm just saying

they stop doing and being who they're being no more fame after 15 years yeah that's so true we should put a timer on it and if they've evolved correctly they should be glad to have the time to run out right that's a big fat if i mean yes but the thing with two with like kim cattrall is like every single thing she says about not wanting to be on sex in the city. I a hundred percent understand and agree with it's completely valid. It doesn't stop me from watching and just like that and being like, maybe at the finale, she comes around the corner knowing full well that she will not. And I also like,

you know, I do like the, the part of me that's like the most basic like really does want that but also i completely as a human being whenever kim is asked to speak about it which i can't believe she is but she is and she says no the answer is no it's a flat out no it's a hard no i'm not doing it i don't enjoy it i don't enjoy those people it was a job i'm always like yes literally and and everyone shut up you know what i mean well it's it's like that question of like what

we're talking about earlier like how much money do you need like clearly like she doesn't you know what i mean it's like think about it like that yeah it's like you know she wants to be happy famously she doesn't want to spend you know more than an hour somewhere where she's not having the time for g damn life i was like okay love um so yeah that's exactly what she should be doing instead you know all the other ones are just like sure we'll take this like rusty old wagon out for a spin again like you know what i mean it's just oh my god what a horror show that show was i cannot wait to watch 40 more seasons we feel similarly it is truly like it's sex in the sim city like i

truly like i feel like i'm in the twilight zone when i'm watching it i really feel like it's like giving westworld you know what i mean it's like not it's not real none of it is real none of it is founded on like human emotions i do think that once you enter a tax bracket you become so emotionally unintelligent i think that really shows do you know what i mean think that once you enter a tax bracket you become so emotionally unintelligent i think that really shows do you know i mean i'm like you really haven't met anyone in like 20 years have you do you know i mean i know i always say like when you live in the canyon for too long you lose reception you know what i mean oh my god that's genius no i mean it's it feels true but speaking of like, I mean,

we are, we are on record here on at lost culture recess as thinking that, um, and just like that is written by third graders. But the thing is like, I, I would, if,

if I could inject it into my body, I would. Um, and speaking of revivals slash reboots, you are, um, of course, sort of iconically a writer and star of the new Queer as Folk revival.

So I would like to ask, pose this question. What was your experience with Queer as Folk outside of masturbating to select clips of it? That's basically it. And thank you for being honest about that. No, I mean, here's the deal. Here's basically it. Um, no, I mean, and thank you for being honest about that. No, I mean, here's the deal. Here's the deal. And Peacock media training is going to hate me for this. Um, but basically, um, I watched like anyone else.

I watched the U S queer spoke incognito blockbuster video about, you know what I mean? Like literally like inspector gadget, like there we go under the covers. And I was obviously very titillated. I was definitely like 12 year old hard. you know what i mean like literally like inspector gadget like there we go under the covers and i was obviously very titillated i was definitely like 12 year old hard um like all all the things right yeah but of course after like the cum and euphoria washed off of me yes um i was like oh being gay is gonna be hard for me it's not gonna be good oh i don't see me on that dance floor by the way this is not me like holding them to task in 99 be like why are there no queer disabled people like give me a break sweetie it was like revolutionary it was it was absolutely groundbreaking you know

now it's 2020 like and so but i but that that it in a way, like it did a number on me, like no JK. And this is when I got like corny about like representation mattering, but it did because that's the only lifeline that I had. And it was just sort of like, and again, it's not a fault of theirs. It's not me dragging them, but it's just sort of like, okay, well, I don't see myself having any kind of life that looks like theirs. So like off to the celibacy world I go.

Um, and so, you know, I feel like in this, today's oversaturated reboot climate, I feel like Queer as Folk is one of those rare things that can actually justify its existence because so much has fucking changed. Like, and it's honey,

like we, we were running on Safari for a long time and now it's time to go to, like, you know, Firefox or, you know, maybe even Monterey.

Firefox is better than Safari to you? I think, no, sorry. Oh my God. I'm sorry. Chrome. Mozilla.

See, Chrome. Chrome. See, this is what, clearly, clearly I'm not a tech girl. I'm not,

no, please. That would be very queer to be honest with you. Fact check me because I'm not a tech girl and you're right. It's Chrome. It's giving Chrome. Yeah. I'm not a tech girl. No, please. That would be very queer to be honest with you. Fact check me because I'm not a tech girl and you're right. It's Chrome.

It's giving Chrome. I'm just saying it would be super queer to be like, I use Firefox. You know what I mean? To clear out as a Firefox user.

It's actually rule of culture number 60. Firefox is the queer browser. The queer browser. Yeah. But I actually had never i at the time obviously i wasn't thinking about it at all because i was like a white gay kid living in a very white world

and i see this and it always like intimidated me because it i felt like even even from that perspective it did present a world where you had to be like either very sexually experienced or find someone who was going to be your teacher because that, that was really, that was really my imprint on it was, it was this very, I don't think I understood a thing that was going on. I just like, because I was so preoccupied,

like viscerally understanding what was happening when I was watching it. So, but I never thought about it as something that felt like exclusionary because obviously it included a future version of me. Right. Right. Of course. But it's interesting that you felt included,

but you still felt very overwhelmed. And I think that speaks to like, I think that speaks to like, even like the hyper-sexualized nature of the show, which like, I mean, I mean, gay sex for days,

you know me. Yeah. But it's like this idea of like needing to be really amazing in bed and like knowing how to do all things and like feeling, you know, sexually inadequate, which I think a lot of gay men grapple with in a very real way because we have been so hyper-sexualized and, you know, there's all these stereotypes of us like, which is fine, it's all like whatever,

but it can kind of do a number on your self-esteem and like the sexual arena. Do you know what I mean yeah 100 so it was it was chic because like if 12 year old me like you know quietly masturbating into the covers um knew that i was going to be in the reboot it'd be like okay you really are virgo go off that is pretty that is pretty like honestly has to be surreal what what is the like um connection between this one and the original are there any people that were involved in the original like weighing in no no no uh which a lot of people on the internet seem to be upset about i'm like honey like move on.org i don't know you can watch the old ones on dvd honey it's a different it's a different

era yeah um yeah no there's no there's no like connective tissue i mean there's like things that like feel spiritually resonant with like the original one like there's babylon in the new one um but it feels very much its own distinct show which i was really really excited about and i don't know it was just really cool also like writing for an all queer cast because we could be as messy and complicated as we wanted to be without feeling like we needed to represent entire like swath population um which i think sometimes people do feel that burden a little bit i mean i never do tbh but like it can be a problem that you know shows run into and it was just amazing to just like be like oh this person's queer this person's

queer like i feel like you know a straight person on the show is basically a diversity hire at this point you know what i mean yeah it was really fun i wasn't even supposed to be in it either steven was like oh like you know do you like you should be in it and i was like oh okay she's dusting off the so that was that went from just you being in the room to being on the cast it was it was when we met to be on the show and i was originally just meaning to be a writer and he was like i want you to be on the show like as a serious regular and i i i still have a very complicated relation with acting which is very relatable you don't have to tell these things behind bulletproof glass it's like literally so obnoxious but it's like i wasn't supposed to star in special and then i was and then i thought after special i would be done and never do it again and um and

to go from that to this very quickly it's been like i i don't know and like i don't know i just like feel i just have a lot of feelings about it and whether or not i i think i have a lot of imposter syndrome tbh i have a lot of imposter syndrome, TBH. I have a lot of imposter syndrome because I didn't go to school. I take writing very seriously. I really do. And with acting, it's like I just kind of fell into it in this way. And I have a lot of guilt about that and whether or not I'm deserving to be there. Do you know what I mean?

Well, I can see feeling like that because, but the thing about you is like you are a very authentic person and that comes through on screen and i think that like you have such there is such a singularity to you that i feel like i understand like you didn't go to school for acting you feel like you're taking it from someone who did maybe or whatever that is but there's also something to say for like i mean what we do is about communicating and you are a very clear and good communicator both on the page and on screen and so i mean that's not a mistake and you deserve it thank you and there's also something to be said about there's also something to be said about you acting in extension to your writing and you've

only acted in things that you've written yeah i've never i've never auditioned like i can't do that that would that would like give me like i can't well first of all i'm a control freak second of all so much of what well no one's banging on my door of course but like the few things i do get it's like to play like someone you know it's to play like someone from pretty little liars piano teacher like it's not do you mean it's it's not like and and and i i remember the first time i remember when special came out i was like oh i guess i should get an acting agent i guess like see what that's about and i remember i got my first thing was for the lovebirds with isa ray and it was awful i mean it was it was really bad and i remember i called my agent and i was like can i rewrite this and like genuinely and she was like no you have to go in there and do it as written I'm like but it's bad and she's like

you can't rewrite it and I was like oh then I can't do this I'm like can I said can I ever rewrite anything and she goes no and I'm like so I have to take these pages I have to do that and she's like yes and I was like oh then don't send me anything i want an actor to come into something that you wrote and have the gall to go to you hey i'm thinking about reworking the scene yeah they won't because it'll be good no i really i just don't get it i'm like it's like so much of it is so bad i can't i can't wrap my head around it it is true it's so bad and like and also part of it is so bad. I can't wrap my head around it. It is true. It's so bad.

And also part of it is I'm a control freak and I like to be involved in so many different ways. Otherwise, I get kind of bored. I like doing all the stuff. It's really exciting to me. And yeah, so it was a really exciting experience. Plus living in New Orleans, it's like so fucking fun. Yeah, that is cool.

Yeah, have you been? Neither of us ever have. Neither of have oh you guys isn't it weird like if that is like i think that and that denver where bone is from and like nashville well he's from aurora but okay i love that pause because how close is Aurora to Denver? Oh, it's like eight miles outside of the Denver. Okay, so it's extremely close. It's an excerpt. I didn't know if it was like a Dallas-Fort Worth thing where it's like people from Fort Worth

are sort of claiming Dallas. No, not like that. It's not like that. You went to high school with Liz, right? I did. I did go to high school with Liz, right? I did. I did go to high school with our friend Liz Alvarendley. Love. We were a frequent pool guest.

Yes. She's in that pool. I love that pool, by the way. It's a cute little pool, Jared's pool. Liz was BFF with Yang, Bowen's sister. With my sister Yang. Oh, amazing. Love. Small world after all. Liz was BFF with Yang phone sister with my sister Yang oh amazing

love oh my god small world after all the first Christmas parties that Yang would throw at our house in college like she would invite Liz over

and Liz would just regale everybody because at the time she had the chicest job out of anybody which was like being like Tyra Banks' assistant's assistant

or whatever the hell oh yes she was and she was also yeah she was she was Heidi Klum's assistant too that's what it was yes yeah she was Heidi Klum's assistant too. That's what it was.

Yes. Yeah, that was Heidi Klum and then it was Tyra and then she got hired at Awkward, I think. Yes, which was also my first writing job too. Really? Yeah, but we missed each other. Oh, great.

Well, we missed each other by a season. She did season three and I did seasons four and five. But yeah, yeah. Got it, got it. Wait, so she was moonlighting as like supermodel assistant for quite a while yeah yeah i wonder what supermodels need and tyra who was on i love that for you all these little full circle moments tyra truly came in there are little supermodels are connected to all of us of course thank you

thank you and that's the thing is it's like they live in our world you could be one There are little supermodels are connected to all of us. Of course. Thank you. Thank you. And that's the thing is it's like they live in our world. You could be one. I'm talking to all the, we have a lot of aspiring actors, writers, and models that listen to Lost Country.

And I'm telling them you are in closer proximity to Heidi Klum. Then you think, keep going, mama. I'm saying that to everyone that listens right now. Keep going, mama. No matter what you do. I feel like you guys are giving model i feel like photo shoots for days love

addicted finding your truth well he's commenting on recent shoots yeah recent shoots what do you mean you guys are like hello again bowen we were on the same cover of magazine i know what you can do we were on do we were on dueling covers, which was like pitting two gay people against each other, which is not okay. It's so fucked up. I loved yours. I loved yours, by the way. I know. I loved every other

photo except for the cover. Except for the cover. I thought... It was so sweet. Oh, God. It was like giving like infantilize... Like, people because it's a larger issue I have of like being disabled.ilize like people because i it's a it's a larger issue i have of like being disabled people are like oh my god he's so cute oh and you're like honey i just want to be hot i want you to absolutely rail me just call just tell me i'm pretty yeah no i can literally just tell me i want to be absolutely railed and like

i like i'm like don't make me do this like Like five-year-old like, you know what I mean? It just makes me like feel gross. Getting all pretense out. Like, yes, it is a little bit about that. Like everyone wants to be railed. And so when they say to you, we can dress you up in a way that if people look at the picture, they'll want to rail you. It's like, yeah yeah then sign me up for the railing yeah absolutely absolutely i did my i did like my first kind of like nude shoot like last week which i was like love well because it's like when you're around gays first of all it's immediately safe and it's immediately horny do you know what i mean it's like already like like and you know that you can like take it there like or like it's well, and actually it's an interesting dance.

You're kind of like, okay. And then I, of course, like I'm a shy girl. So I need like, and then I'm like, oh, do you like, and then, you know, you see that what the options are for clothes and you're like, oh, okay. Like there's, there's already like 80 jock straps, like on the thing. So like, this is already going to be what it is. Okay, great. Love that. So, okay. Okay. We're going to, let's, let's push the pedal to the metal do you know what i mean yeah i i loved it i thought

it was like it was very empowering it was very chic like you know i just feel like you gotta have those moments those like little thotty moments yeah i mean the thing is it's it's it's it's part of it it's part of it oh my god you just had a thought i just had i had a i had a thought shoot for a gay letter i i did a thong how did you feel about it i you know what made me feel better the fact that joel kim booster and cola school were also doing it when i heard that we were all doing it i was like okay it's sort of like when you hold hands with your girls in order to go into the haunted house like for me personally i need i need two girls on each of my arms when i go into the haunted house or else i'll be really scared like if i wanted to be by myself no sirs i'd be so scared wait so no oh my god that's so interesting oh my god yeah it's really

interesting uh do you do you do haunted houses what do you mean like like do you like them do you like to go into a haunted house no there's like a lot of things i don't the thing no i don't you don't like scary things i don't no no i do i like scary movies yeah see i'm just so opposite so like yeah i don't do like there's too much activity like haunted house and we talked about when you guys talked about going to like that knots berry farm thing i'm like what is this i don't understand but i support you um all i'm saying is things that are scary are are easier with friends and because because they did it i was like okay including nude photo shoots including nude photo shoots we didn't all do it at the same time i think that would make me a little scared. Although Bowen and I did recently do a shirtless photo shoot together for the cover of this podcast.

That's so fun. Did you love that? It was so quick. It wasn't scary at all. No, we were also giving sexy little harlots as a goof. Yes, totally. Well, see, I need to be lubed up. At first, they were like, how far are you willing to go and i was like oh no like what are you what are you

talking about i was like no you know what i mean i was like give me the give me the full body suit and then literally cut to like three songs later i'm literally playing treat me like a slut by kim petras and i'm like literally showing hole i'm like literally like i'm just like they're like wow this escalated quickly and i like, treat me like a slut. Honestly, there's a reason why we all fucking love it. It's because we know what it sounds like in our voice. No, treat me like a slut. Like when I listened to it for the first time,

it was like basic gay slut activated. It literally was like, it was like, okay, let's go. I was like, talk about a cyborg. I was literally just like, yes, I want to fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's amazing. Something about Kim is so activating.

It's really like, it's like beyond star quality. It's beyond like charisma. There's something about like, there's a command to her voice or something. It is her voice. You know what it is? It's literally the resonance in her voice. It's, she's here it's she is she it's like it's like it's almost like she's punching a code into our brains yes things yes well she can push she pushes the air through her songs are in order and order yes no they're in order like they're a call to action they're literally like yes it's

like a it's like a robot giving you a command and you're like okay i will be a slut because you said so like literally it's like okay right you know what i mean you can't be relaxed and this is not a knock on her it's just you can't be relaxed listening to her music it's what you're saying it is activated it is an order it is a call like whereas like if she had a voice like shaw day if her vocal tone was giving Toni Braxton, we'd sit back in our chairs. You'd say, light the blunt. But with Kim, you're not lighting the blunt. You're sort of taking the pill.

No, absolutely not. The first time I ever heard Kim like a slut, it was when we were shooting a dance scene at Babylon and everyone took off their shirts and danced. And it was giving 90s throwback. I loved it. It was like, I could not have done that without Kim. I could not.

You know what I mean? I could not. Sade has to do a Slut Pop cover album. Treat me like a slut. I'm a dirty bitch I love. Honestly, I would listen to that all, yes, absolutely. Put that in my veins. I'm ready. bitch I love honestly I would listen to that all yes absolutely put that in my veins

oh my god I still do spin that Kim I'll tell you that EP I spin that Kim wait what is that an EP no the EP with Treat Me Like A Slut I mean Slut Pop I really do

it's held up in my rotation that's for sure oh absolutely it's only been out for like three months by the way i should say but that's a comment on the transient nature of pop you know sure sure like we're asked we're asked to consume so much although you know the girls are really mad right now and we've had several people on this podcast come on and talk about the tiktok of it all in pop music like this this is a big tiktok this is a big thing right now like halsey is taken to her tiktok to be or her instagram or whatever to be like there's a song i'm obsessed with that i really want to release and my label won't let me because it's not tiktokable or they

need to find out how to make it tikt. And I'm not viral enough on that. And Maren Morris mentioned it and it's been mentioned other times. And it seems like this TikTok thing is like really, really, really now shaping the music that we are even given an opportunity to listen to. I feel like old Lady Rose from Titanic being like, it's been 84 years. I'm literally like, I don't even know what any of that means. I'm literally like, okay. Just that, like, it's motivating the reason why, like, songs are shorter

now. Right, right, right. Again, it's rewiring our brains. Yeah. Totally. It has to be a certain, like, BPM so that there can be, like, dances, like, you know, choreographed to it and stuff like that. Oh, that's so dark. We're, like, just bowing at the altar of TikTok. Yikes. Yeah, yeah.

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of the podcast to do one thing rant against something in culture for 60 seconds that's absolutely pissing us off um i have something that happened to me today that i would like to get off my chest okay all right we'll start with you matt this is matt rogers i don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so honey my airp's time starts now. I don't think so, honey. My AirPods are in. My walk is a strut. Unfortunately, no matter where I go, no matter what I'm doing, if I'm listening to music, I am strutting. And I know what you're going to say to me when you tap me on the shoulder. If we're running into each other, what are you listening to?

You're absolutely strutting. I'm gay. It's a part of the way that I express myself. I can't not strut when I walk. You're not like making a new like observation when you tell me, oh my God, you were absolutely strutting. I know my AirPods were in.

It could be literally, you know, there could never be back to before from Ragtime or it could be Ariana Grande live album. I'm strutting. When I'm listening to music, the synapses fire from my brain. It goes to my hips. And when I sort of go into a fugue state

where I'm just sort of doing my thing, running errands, my body just turns into a strut. I'm gay. It's a part of who I am. And my DNA makes my body act this way. I'm a strutter.

I'm not a sort of a stroller. I'll never be a stroller. Don't ask me something like that. I can't accomplish for you. I'm a strutter. I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute. Don't apologize. uh you know what maybe i did say the words i'm sorry in that call back to

the book um maybe i did say the words i'm sorry a bunch in that i don't think so honey but what i'm what i really want to do is just say i'm accepting it about myself and when people call it out to me i feel self-conscious every time because i think it makes me feel like oh i'm looking gay on the street which is some classical conditioning from way back but you know what i'm a strutter and i'm gonna adhere to normalize strutting despite you know being alone and just doing menial tasks representation matters i mean if anything we've learned from this hour and a half i mean hello yeah of course honey that that's it's been a major topic and and it should be um bowen yang it's time for your i don't think so honey are you sort of galvanized

i am it's yeah okay i am i love when my girl gets galvanized um this is your bone yang, your, I don't think so, honey. Your time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Anti-reflective coating on eyeglasses. I allegedly bought that paid like an extra a hundred dollars for anti-reflective coating on these lenses. Then in the words of Mulan, why is your reflection showing in my glasses? You guys can see yourselves, right? Like, in a way, you guys can see, like, some projection of yourselves onto my eyes.

That's not acceptable. That is not... That is literally... I'm being scammed out of... I'm doing press tomorrow, and I can't wear these glasses because there's going to be too much glare. And I feel like I'm

like a villain in a Japanese anime. If I'm going to be like just on camera with a full glare on my eyeglasses, I can't be looking like that while I'm promoting this new film, Fire Island,

coming out on June 3rd on Hulu and Disney Plus in international territories. And that's one minute. Who helped you there? Did they tell you their name? There's a guy at Studio Optics in Rockefeller Center named Mike. Studio Optics? No, he was actually so helpful.

He was so helpful in getting my glasses to me early. But he did really pitch the anti-reflective coating and ryan i'm sure you are familiar with this part of the process another relatable moment have you ever been hashtag on set and they're like oh his glasses like we need to fix this glass like yeah like like we can't it's all glare and i'm like honey i she was born this way i don't know what to tell you like literally i don't know and i've been there when that's happened to bowen and every time i just think i never even think about what this experience is like it is absolutely She was born this way. I don't know what to tell you. Like, literally, I don't know. And I've been there when that's happened to Bowen. And every time I just think,

I never even think about what this experience is like. It is absolutely how it's like, put a spotlight on my differences. You hold up production. You're that girl. You know what I mean? And it's like, literally, I don't tell you. It's my glasses. And by the way, these glasses cost $40 million.

Because my vision is so fucking bad that I have to like airlift it to like Timbuk fucking two and it's not gonna be ready for four months. So like, I'm like, I've done everything I can. I put on anti, like whenever they say like, do you want all the bells and whistles, like anti-reflector or whatever?

And I'm like, yes, yes, a million times yes. And it comes back and I'm still serving reflection. And I'm like, like, I don't, honey, there's a ceiling and I've hit it. We've hit the ceiling, hon. I think I was given a purposefully low ceiling on these because my other glasses don't reflect as much. So somebody lied.

Somebody lied to sabotage you. That's horrible. You know what? I know who it is. Oh, no. Mike obviously works for the competing queer project of the summer. Queer as folk. Oh,

and I know the producers of queer as folk came to sabotage. Wait, wait, wait, we need to rewind the tape. That was iconic. The competing gay project. What bros?

No, no, queer as folk. I would never disparage bros. By the way, just to fact check, and said with absolute undying love, bros isn't coming out until September, okay? Exactly.

And yet, a lot of the media coverage is this will be like the gay rom-com of the summer. And I'm like, honey, September 30th ain't summer. Yeah, but that's what I... June 3rd feels like summer, not for nothing. By the way, I saw the trailer. I want it in my veins. I'm obsessed with it, but I'm like, September 30th,

this is the longest rollout in history. But also, that's just called money in studio vibes. You know what I mean? It's fully a fall film. Unless we're, you know, an Indian. Summer is real. First day of summer is June 21st, so I don't think Fire Island even is considered a summer film.

Wow, okay, so we are a movie of the spring. So honestly, Fire Island is a spring film. And I'm sorry, but Bros is a fall, autumn. It's an autumn picture. You're like, get me the calendar. We said it. It's fall. We said it. It's fall.

Like, cancel us. It's fall. It is. You know, look at the calendar. We said it. It's fall. We said it. It's fall. Cancel us. It's fall. It is. Look at the calendar. I hope someone grabs from this podcast Bowen Yang and Matt Rogers of Fire Island disparage bros. Call it quote fall film. Well, Bowen, aren't you in bros? Yes, I am.

For one little scene. Did you green screen it? What happened? I did do one green screen thing where I'm supposed to dance with Harvey Fierstein's character. We were supposed to dance together, but we shot on separate days, so we just got me movie magic. Booked and fucking busy. Booked and fucking busy.

Yeah, we needed to green screen bone into the film. Damn. Damn. So listen, speaking of the film, the show, here comes the big show that is going to be ryan o'connell's i don't think so honey sister are you ready yeah yeah ryan o'connell this is your i don't think so honey your time starts now okay so as a gay man i feel like i have to have a lot of opinions about things that i do not care about it is non-consensual and i

want to give a list of things that you cannot talk to me about because I do not care. Okay? Number one, opinions about Nicole Kidman. Nicole Kidman is a patron saint for unemotional gays. Like, literally, like, it's like, honey, it's like, if you tell me an opinion about Nicole Kidman, you have to tell me one single emotion you've had in the last five

years. One single emotion. Literally. Okay? I can't. I can't. Honey, it's ice cold i can't moving on um an underdog an underdog pop star i have my hands full with sky ferrara i cannot deal with carly ray dutchton i can't okay lady gaga besides chromatica and the time she got mad at her grandma for not grieving her daughter's death on camera in five foot two who won best supporting actress in 1971 who won best i don't care i don't care who won best supporting actress in 1971 who won best ikea who i don't care i don't care who won best supporting actress i'm sure it was someone who cares moving on uh anything that happens on

twitter if you have a successful career in your story twitter i'm having you 5150 okay guys guys named colton or mikey and that's about one minute. Wow. Honestly, all those things, like, I care about on every other day. But here's the thing. I can care about the Oscars, but not who won in 71 Best Supporting Actress. You know what I mean? That's two different deals. Some people take it to the extreme. I'm like, honey, like, what's, like, I mean, I know, honey, first of all, if you connect with Nicole Kidman, you're obviously not giving a motion to begin with.

Because she's obviously Arctic Tundra. We know that. But, like, I'm like, truly, can I buy a vow? Can I buy a feeling? You know what I mean? You're talking about Nicole Kidman as if she's January Jones, as if she's, like, fully stone-faced

in all her work. I wouldn't say she's, like, a warm, cuddly teddy bear baby. Like, I mean... She emotes. I wouldn't say she's like a warm, cuddly teddy bear baby. She emotes. I feel like Nicole emotes. She has a range of emoting. But her power is in how what's the word?

She is so precious. She is extremely precious and she is like a glass doll. And that gives her steely resolve. It gives her authority. It gives her doll and that gives her steely resolve it gives her authority it gives her power it gives her like a a she looks like a piece of china that we're waiting to see the crack in and there is something that is not inherently emotional like that like for example if you're to pick if you're to examine like reese witherspoon yes she can play like a bitch but

she's also bleeding heart yeah nicole kidman could not play kyle richards right sure the same genre is carol gays carol gays i can't engage with i don't deal with it that movie is a glambian okay and if you it is an absolute glambian okay and i so this is i don't think so honey on lew Louis Vertel. Oh my God. LOL. Is he a Carol gay? Number one. Number one. I can't keep track. We'll tell you who won Best Supporting Actress in 71.

It's probably fucking a guy named Colton. But also, Louis is a legitimate sweetie pie, so maybe he's actually... I don't think so, honey, too. I'm a sweetie pie, so maybe he's actually... He is. We love him. I don't think so, honey, too. Okay? I'm a sweetie pie. I don't think so, honey. All the doodah day.

It's true. We'll do accountable. Yeah, there's just a lot. There's a lot. There's a lot. There's a lot. And I feel like I need to clock into my shift at the I'm Gay store, and it's just like, oh my god. Here we go. Here we go. Gotta give another fucking opinion. I also think that it has a lot to do with just like how you're socially conditioned to relax and hang out like something i think is

interesting sometimes are people at the same party who want to talk and people who want to like play games or have an objective sometimes i'll be in a social situation and i won't understand and and sometimes i when games are good i'm in like if we're doing games we're doing games but when everyone is having a nice time talking and then someone says we're playing a game i'm always like um who decided that we were playing a game now and like what is the switch from socialization to game and then i realize sometimes some people just speak that language like that's how they socialize you know what i mean like absolutely it's asking a whole bunch of people to be like socially on the same page which is you know difficult when as people age and they become more who they are and they like what they

like and they kim cattrall don't want to be anywhere for an hour where they're not having a good time you know what i mean but i think it's i think it's been mostly healing because i think at first i was intimidated and now i feel i feel good i don't know why I'm that's beautiful I don't know why like I'm unpacking all this in front of you or whatever no I like it I like that we're doing I like that we're doing that well that's the thing see like I also realize like I'm a shower not a grower like you know what I mean and I think some people are growers and not showers and I have to like understand that and not perceive that as like coldness or like everyone's different and everyone everyone reveals themselves in different ways 100 it's not necessarily a slight or a

personal thing it just is everyone's wired differently you know what i mean yeah 100 absolutely 100 and listen if you want to see more insights into a queer community one of the most incredible shows you could watch in the coming weeks and months ahead is queer as folk which is literally on peacock on june 9th and two days prior to that is the release of truly ryan what i'm what i'm a really great great great great read i'm so like you really are such a great evocative writer. You're so funny. And I mean, like, I just like,

I see myself on every page and like, you know, it's like very universal as well. Like, and so all my compliments to this fucking chef on this one, just by looking at him in June 7th. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me.

Oh my God. We had the most lovely time and bow and yang we end every episode with the damn song treat me like a slut teacher's pet treat me like a slut teacher's pet bitch. I love to fuck. I wanna be teacher's pet. Treat me like a slut. I'm a dirty bitch. I love to fuck. Teacher's pride. I wanna be teacher's pride.

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