Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - “Biotch!” (w/ Michelle Visage)

Episode Date: September 27, 2023

Recorded LIVE at Union Chapel in London, a true place of G*d, it’s the Proppa Fa**ot Tour! Matt & Bowen were bloody thrilled to share in the cultch across the pond, read British tabloids aloud, and get to the bottom of who Cheryl Cole is. Also, an interview with true queen and legend Michelle Visage! The Bodyguard album, Soul System, Seduction, musical theater, UK punk rock, old school hip hop, Madonna, Harlem ball culture, Leah Remini, Scientology, the domestic exclusivity of Percy Pigs, a troll bowl IDTSH on the English Rose and, finally, a specific takedown of the color green by it’s number one critic? This episode has it all! Hey, readers! We wouldn’t change a thing about you <3 Bonus episodes are available early for subscribers to Big Money Players Diamond on Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/lasculturistasSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You guys sound amazing. You guys sound amazing. I said, if we're gonna come to London, it has to be where we're most comfortable in a church. A place of God. And what you just heard was the song, Something Kinda Ooh by Girls Aloud. We were toying with the idea of opening the show

with us singing it live. But then we said, what did we say? We said, that song's not for God. It's not for God. So we said no. Also, it's so many more words than you ever think it could possibly be. Because really, in the song Something Kinda Ooh, For God. So we said no. Also, it's so many more words than you ever think it could possibly be.

Because really, in the song Something Kinda Ooh, really all you need is something kinda ooh, and that's really all you need. But there's so many words in it. There's so much narrative. How does that, like, the ref- Ooh, when tomorrow comes, baby, I won't even know your name. This made me so good. This is for me listening to only that

from my flight from LAX to London. Only for Bowen to say, I don't think we're gonna do it. It's not for Jesus. It's a lot, it's a lot of words. Should we sit? Let's sit. Okay. Wow. We had some tequila and Red Bull backstage.

I've had three Guinnesses tonight. And you've had three Guinnesses. Well, we should also say, hi, I'm Matt Rogers. It was, it was, it was. Yeah. And I'm friend of Matt Rogers' Bowen Yang. Thank you for having us. And we want to thank you so much for joining us on our tour,

which today we decided is called the Proper Faggot Tour. And because we're in a church, we mean cigarettes. We mean cigarettes. I do want you to know, also, the second this show ends, you gotta run, because this place is gonna burn down. Brimstone will rain. It is not safe. From the clearest story. Architecture majors in here?

Anybody? No? Okay. Well, we're in a Gothic revival church and that you see there's a wide transept and a wide, um, nave? Nave! Oh, you guys know. Talk dirty to me. Talk dirty to me. We don't have this in America. We don't have churches. You know, I went to a church once in America. Yeah. And? It was for a funeral. Oh. And I was sitting in the back with my mother,

because it was like, we didn't know the person, but we knew the person. It was like, you had to attend, but certainly you weren't going to take space in the front, because that's for the people that are really heaving, sobbing, grieving. And we didn't care that much. So we were sort of in the back. And it was to the point of the mass where they're like,

okay, now everyone come up and receive communion. Where are my Catholics at? So at this point, I'm like 23, like two years into being like fully gay to my mother, three, two, three years. And I say to her, I'm like, I don't think I can go up there and receive communion. And she turns to me and said, yeah, if you go up there,

this place is going to burn to the ground. And we laughed so hard. And one of the heaving, sobbing, grieving women turned around in the front and goes... Wow. And we felt bad and sat right in our seat and did not receive communion on the day. That's okay. You didn't get the body. No, and did not receive communion on the day. That's okay. You didn't get

the body. No, and I was always addicted to the taste. Right. Did you spend a lot of time in a Catholic church? No, I was not Catholic. So you never received the body of Christ? I never orally did not receive. I might have gotten the

cuticle. We got a thin wafer one day and it was like so delicate that I was like, Christ, it's skinny. Christ is actually acceptable in the zone diet. The zone. What's the zone? Do people know what the zone diet is? Wait.

The zone is truly like a 90s diet fad that Jennifer Aniston was like the face of. Love. And the whole thing was like, no carbs. Never a carb. Never a carb. If you even think about a carb, you're not going to look like Jay Aniston.

You're not going to look like her. No, you're not going to her. No. I feel like Christ, would Jesus Christ have gone on Ozempic if he were alive today? I think Jesus Christ have gone on Ozempic if he were alive today? I think Jesus Christ... Would have turned Ozempic into Manjaro.

Well, here's the thing. They're always like, you know, Jesus is coming back. He's coming back. First of all, it's like TikTok, bitch. It can't get much worse than it is right now. Jesus is going to come back. It needs to be now. But also, if Jesus did come back,

first of all, he'd find out about TikTok. He'd be a huge influencer. Especially with those abs. He'd be so annoying, Jesus. He'd show off his scars. Okay. And we'd all be horny about it, but mad.

Like Logan Paul. Jesus would be Logan Paul. Are we horny but mad for Logan Paul? If you're horny for Logan Paul, make noise. Second row just rolled her eyes so aggressively. Just so you know, I can see you. Wow, in the words of Taylor Swift, I can see you. I can see you.

Well, it's mid. It's okay. That's okay, that was good. By the way, first of all, give it up for Olga Koch, everybody. Yes. She was amazing. You know, when she was talking about her friend eating ass, I was like, see, I would go on Ozempic, but I still want to eat ass.

You know what I mean? Is Ozempic not... I don't want to lose my appetite for ass. Listen, current events are happening as we speak. And we think the best thing about London is English tabloid culture. We think it's really healthy the way you guys do things. Everyone's making good, noble money off of this. So Bowen said he was going to go pick up some tabloids, and then we'd sort of flip through and see just how much you,

page by page, are ruining these people's lives and degrading them beyond belief in a way that is truly unfathomable. So Meghan Markle is on the cover of this. Right. Yes. Oh, well, it sounds like we've got some royalists in the crowd. That was a smattering of applause. Who here would describe themselves as a royalist,

very anti-Meghan Markle? Yeah. Okay, no, wait, you're being shy now. Who is it? Did you mean that? We need to hear this. Lost culture is about different perspectives. Bowen is a centrist, leans more conservative.

I'm very liberal. So it's about different views. That's why they call it the view. Who hates Meghan Markle and thinks she's calculated? Who said that? I see them. Who is it? Go, get up here. Come on.

Get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up. Yeah, suddenly you want to hide. You're like these writers. Well, there's Megan. There's Cheryl. Speaking of Girls Aloud. There's Cheryl's being reported on. Megan's being reported on.

I kind of gave Matt the condensed, abridged version of the Holly and Phil of it all. I received none of it. You don't love that, so he had an affair with, like, a twink? Is that what happened? So I'm, okay, so there are two Morning Show co-hosts. He has an affair with a twink that works with the show. She's upset because they have chemistry. Someone's shaking her hat.

What? Is that wrong? That was wrong? What happened then? Yes. Oh, oh. Is it going to bring her down? We'll bring it up.

What is it? And then I want to talk to our friend back there. Tell us the truth of the story, and we'll make humor out of it. He potentially grooms. He gave him a bang. Literally, figuratively, hair-wise. What about our friend back there?

I saw some... Yes, you. Oh! She pretended she didn't know. She's even worse than him. Ugh! She should be in jail. She pretended she didn't know? Oh, no.

She must be banished. To Azkaban with her. To Azkaban with her. To make an incredibly English reference. Yeah. Only at the niche English reference, Azkaban. You know what's international? What? NSYNC is back. Yeah. Only, only, it's a niche English reference, Ask a Man. You know what's international? What?

NSYNC is back. Yeah. Who here thinks Justin Timberlake looks like he drinks a lot? They, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, and I'm going to go on the record. Literally, we're recording this for the podcast. Don't worry, people at home, home as in the States, we're sorry. I'm going to go on the record. Literally, we're recording this for the podcast. Don't worry, people at home. Home as in the States. We're sorry.

I'm going to go on the record. They all look bad. They all look really bad. I'm sorry. That's bringing the mood down. It's me talking about men aging. It's talking about these men. That groomer needs to get over here and deal with them.

Give them some rouge. I see one, two, three, four, five men in need of a good grooming. Did you see? I was so excited. They came back on the VMAs. They're like, we're back. Ha ha. And then it was like, it's a song for trolls.

Justin Timberlake has pivoted from international pop star to trolls. Which makes me think there's, I think trolls is like the new Scientology or something. Like they have these people like imprisoned. It's not good. In a contract that makes them put out troll songs. Look at this. This says, Harry, I want my old life back. Who thinks Harry wants his old life back?

Yeah, no. No. That doesn't look fun at all. You sit in a big castle. Where are the outlets? Here's my thing. Yeah. Go. Go.

You see photos and videos of like the castle and even Balmoral, there's no outlets there. Like forget about like plugging in your iPhone. You would have to search 45 minutes to even find somewhere to plug your iPhone 15 Pro in. Hey, does anyone here work in set deck at the Crown? Because we need to see some outlets at Balmoral, okay? Hold on, hold on.

I want to read this article because I was reading it today in the morning while I was literally waiting for Matt to land. Here, it says, let's just try out our... Bowen wants to read these articles in our British accents. And then... I want to do my best RP. My best received pronunciation.

What is that called? It's standard English. It's like BBC English. So the difference between him and me is he knows the differences and all my British accents are, I'm going to say, bad Adele.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do some now. Would you like to hear me read about Britney Spears in my bad Adele? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Britney, Sam's not getting my money. They split last month after one year marriage and it hasn't taken long

for things to get ugly between Britney Spears and her estranged husband Sam Ascari. It's sort of getting... He also allegedly It's sort of getting... He also allegedly... waived any claims to Britney's music rights and isn't listed on the deeds of their shared home in California. You're joking.

You're joking. You're joking. That's my favourite Britishism. You're joking. You're joking. And the second favourite one is... um, it's a bit shit, isn't it? It's a bit shit. It's really good. It's a bit shit, isn't it? It's a bit shit, isn't it?

Okay, mine's not going to be as fun. Go ahead. Do it. This is very understated. Here we go. While Megan's focused on the future, he's stuck in regret over the past. You're copying me. I'm not. You're doing Robin Leach. I's stuck in regret over the past.

You're copying me. I'm not. You're doing Robin Leach. I pretend I'm on the BBC World Service. I'm pretending I'm doing BBC News. He's been looking glum of late. Failing to even raise a smile at Beyonce's LA concert. That's all I got.

Wait. Can I say something? I hate you guys. There's a photo of, there's something in here called torso of the week. You guys. And it's like, okay okay i mean these gays don't go to dalston superstore they're they're they're local jokes local humor is gonna get them every time oh i know this is a segment that we like to call explain cheryl Cole to us.

She now goes by the mononym of Cheryl. Well, that's something I, okay, who here thinks- Is an expert. They're the biggest expert in the room at Cheryl Cole. You? Yes, yes, you raised your hand, come on up. Come on up, come on up. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.

No, no, you know enough. Here, here. What's her name? All right. Tolua. Everyone give it up for Tolua. Tolua! Have a seat. So, one thing about America is we don't know about Cheryl Cole at all. Understood.

And then here in the UK, Cheryl Cole is, we're told, one of the biggest stars here. Would you agree? Huge. It's been up and down, but I think we're pretty. We're up. Can you describe the topography of the ups and downs? Yes. So how did Cheryl Cole start out? I believe it was Girls Aloud, if anyone wants to know. Huge, huge girl group here in the UK. You obviously know.

We do know. Yeah. That did slip out. Yes. And so Girls Aloud, is that supposed to be like a riff on like, no girls allowed and then... No, because it's A-L-O-U-D. Right.

Right. So it's more girls shouting. Indeed. Because women... Before that, women couldn't... Couldn't shout. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, before that, women couldn't... Couldn't shout. Yeah.

Yeah. And now they can. So would you say that as a result of Girls Aloud that women felt empowered to raise their voice? I would say so. I think the response seemed to be that. Yeah. Because, you know, would you say, Tala,

there was a vacuum of women shouting in a post-Spice Girls landscape? Precisely. I think before that, the only woman to shout was Margaret Thatcher. We love her! Love Queen! May she rest.

May she... Well, you know, can we be honest? The only reason Matt Rodgers and I know about something kind of ooh by Girls Aloud is because of the seminal duo on X Factor, Two Shoes. Did anyone else watch the season of X Factor with Cher Lloyd and One Direction? Yeah. Oh, they were their season. Yeah. Wow.

Two shoes. You're familiar? With Cher and One Direction. Yes, yes. What's Cher Lloyd up to? I love her. What is Cher Lloyd up to? She's a mother of two, I believe.

Congrats to Cher Lloyd. Wow. That's amazing. I still follow her on Facebook. Oh, great. Lovely. Okay, so. No, wait. Tala, you're on Facebook. Oh, great. Lovely. Okay, so... No, wait, Tala, you're on Facebook with Cher?

Are you a mother yourself? No. No, I'm... To my best friend, Heart, I am like a mother. You're Heart's mother. But not literally. Not yet, yes, yes. I am but a child.

But a child. Oh, like us. Okay, so just to get back to the trajectory of the entire career of Cheryl Cole. She starts out on Girls Aloud. And would you say she was sort of the breakout star, sort of the Justin of Girls Aloud? I think it was a little more even. Like, I could barely name the other four. Right.

Right. That's okay. No, stop. Stop that. Stop, stop, stop. Stop that right now. Stop that now. I'm very young. They were before my time. Apparently, there's some... No, stop. Stop that. Stop, stop, stop. Stop that right now. Stop that now. I'm very young.

They were before my time. Apparently there's some Nadine stans here. And I'm literally making up that that's one of their names. Because only one of these people crossed over into the U.S. lexicon, and that was Cheryl. This is true. She has many last names she's had over time. So I think she's back

to Tweety because a big part of her story was that she was married to famous English footballer Ashley Cole who played for my club Chelsea. I say with great shame. Hey! Hey! Hey! The peanut gallery

is restricted. So she's Cheryl Tweedy in the beginning as a Girls Aloud member. She meets this footballer that's probably huge for the tabloids. These motherfuckers. And then what happens? She becomes Cheryl Cole and sort of posh and vexes it up? Exactly. She's hanging out with the Colleen Rooney's of the world.

Victoria Beckham's. I think there was tension between her and Victoria. Well, yeah. If I recall. I was about eight at the time. It's a brag. But it trickled down. It trickled down. So you support Thatcher. So you support Thatcher. So you support Thatcher.

Okay. That's basically what you just said. Huge fan of Reagan, too. Yes, yes, yes. All right, so she's shuttleco for a while. It doesn't work out with the footballer, because when does it ever work out with the footballer? Am I right?

So then she becomes what? Then, for a while, she sort of disappeared, I'd say. She did, she did obviously continue. Excuse me! Excuse me! Maybe she was around. When did she become the pop star Cheryl? She did that,

she did Fight for This Love. Yeah. Which, yeah, that was huge. I was in secondary school at the time. Okay. That's, you gotta fight, fight, fight, fight for this love. Yeah. It's kind of a bop.

I would say it's fantastic. Yeah. Seminal work. Seminal work. Now, when did Cheryl Hole, the RuPaul's Drag Race UK, see Series 1 queen step onto the scene? Cheryl Hole and her whole, her name is a play on Cheryl Cole, which is now an outdated moniker.

When did Cheryl Hole enter the lexicon for you? I don't know in relation to Cheryl Cole. I obviously don't know the story behind why she opted for that. Yes. Would you agree that Cole rhymes with hole? I would. Yes. Thank you.

You're right. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Okay, can I just ask just a couple more questions? When does Fernandez-V Versini become a thing? I can't answer that. You said, can I tell you something? You raised your hand, and you said you were an authority on Cheryl Cole.

That was in the law. That was in... So I wasn't keeping up with it quite as crazy. Do you know about her becoming pregnant with Liam Payne's child? Yes, Bear. Bear Payne, yes. His name is Bear Payne? Bear, Bear. If I'm lucky, I'm getting some

Bear Payne tonight. Okay. Yeah. Do we believe that that child is happy in a private school somewhere? I hope so. Yeah, I hope so too. What do you think the relationship is currently

between Cheryl, whatever the fuck she's going by, and Liam Payne? I assume they're co-parenting to the best of their abilities. Of their opinions. Yeah. And I'm going to ask you first, and then I'm going to ask the crowd, because this is also going to become our opinion. Is your opinion of Cheryl Cole, Tweety,

Fernandez, Varsini, Tweety, Payne, Tweety, positive or negative? Hugely positive. Okay, great. And what about everybody else? Well, welcome Cheryl Cole! No, just kidding. We're all on the same page. Everyone give it up for Talawa.

Talawa! You did amazing. You did amazing. You did amazing. You did amazing. You did amazing. Now you sit there. I'll sit there. Give it up for Tala, everybody. Give it up for Tala, everybody.

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Yeah. And that was sort of me telling you that we did get the signal. We did get the signal. We got the signal. My sort of field of vision is kind of limited. I'm not able to see behind. You do not have, let me tell you something, Bowen. You have a lot of talent, but you do not have eyes in the back of your head.

And it was on me only to get the signal. Can I tell you something? What? I wouldn't change a thing about me. No. I wouldn't want the eyes. And it's taken you a long time to be able to say that. It's true. I wouldn't change a thing about you, my sister.

Thank you, my sister. Hey, who is here with their best friend? That's so sweet. If you're here with your best friend, I want you to stand up, and I want you to look at them. Stand up and... I want you to look them in the face and say, baby, I wouldn't change a thing about you, and I want you to mean it.

Baby, I wouldn't change a thing about you. Can everyone just connect? Can everyone just connect for a second? Yeah to mean it. Maybe I wouldn't change a thing about you. Can everyone just connect? Can everyone just connect for a second? Yeah, do it. Are you guys meaning it? I hope you mean it. Oh, there's a lot of love in the room. I wouldn't change a thing about you.

I wouldn't change a thing about you. Now... Now, everyone, sit down. Everyone, sit, because there is true royalty in the room. There is true royalty in the room. You know, your nation has kind of stolen her from us. Yeah. And she's kind of transcended, like, expat,

because she kind of splits her time between the states and the kingdom. Well, she goes internationally wherever she needs to go oh yeah you know her taxes are hell oh god i want to ask her about her taxes oh she's getting like a fucking form from because i think that's what everyone wants to hear about is how the fuck does her account wait yeah yeah so like you have to file in an australian tax like you get an australian paycheck you get a british paycheck exactly you get like it's too much yeah on top of being a noted singer actress reality television personality let's just face it one of the greatest judges in reality television history.

We are so honored that she made the time to come here. This was a huge ask at the last minute. I have to say, from the beginning, one of the dream guests of this podcast, and it goes way back, and tonight's the night. Oh, wow. Everyone, please welcome to the stage,

Michelle Visage! Wow, people like you. People like you? I mean, it's amazing. You literally- What a great crowd. You guys are an amazing crowd. Yeah, they really are. I just got off the radio.

I was going to say, you bolted straight here. I ran. I'm so exhausted. In these. And those. Oh, my God. They're not that high. These are kind of grandma.

That's all right. Yeah, grandma wears those. I had to jog. What did you talk about today on the radio? Yeah, what happened? It was great. I have the best show on the radio. I'm just going to say this.

If you haven't listened, it's Friday night, 7 to 9. It's Fabulous Fridays, and it's all the music that I get to pick. Is it giving a lot of 90s dance, 90s house? It's more like 70s, 80s, and 90s dance. But in America, on the radio, you don't get to pick your music. The boss tells you what you're playing, and you push the button, and you talk in between. Here, on Radio 2, they get to let me pick my music.

The freedom to make a change in this country. I love England. Oh, my God. Give it up for England. So we're just talking out here. You being all over the world, what the hell are your taxes like? And how does your accountant do it?

The accountant does do it. He says goodbye. The accountant is my husband. He's really good with math or maths. He does the maths. He does the maths. And I just work and i keep working so it is you do have to be responsible for this country and new zealand and america so basically i eat ramen noodles but i work a lot so there you go so we're on top of it yeah ish but you know

there's something and i hope to one day, really work in a country where the queen's face is on the money. You know what I mean? Does that make any sense? Yeah. Because I used to be a Commonwealth baby. I was going from Australia to Canada, and then, you know, the States. The States are the States.

Yeah. Is it our thing to default to, like, hating America when we're here? When I come here, I do. Yeah. I remember I was talking about it recently somewhere on something, and somebody got really offended because I said that the countryside is so spectacular here. It is breathtaking. And I said, I don't really feel like we have that in America.

Well, I got read the riot act. Have you ever been upstate New York? And I was like, yeah, bitch, that's act. Have you ever been upstate New York? And I was like, yeah, bitch, that's the problem. I've been upstate New York. Have you ever been to Surrey? I don't think so. Okay, so how long have you been here on this trip to the UK? And also, I want to know

if you had your druthers. Oh my God, you have Mary Janes. I do. How cute are you? He's always got something on his feet. So cute. You know what the new thing is, I think? What? The new thing isn't Coco Chanel, like, take one thing off before you leave the house. It's put one thing

on that's slightly wrong. I'm down. You know? I'm so down. Slightly fucked up. Yeah. Like my pinky. What happened? What happened? An unfortunate fisting accident. No! Actually, I was, you know, here,

we don't do this in the States, you can park any way you want on the road. So if you're going this way, and there's a spot that way, you can just go... Heaven. Right. Except for the fact that my door was here and the car was coming this way.

So I was trying to be nice and open the door real quick and get out. And the entire... No. The entire friggin' nail. Gone. It was a bloodbath. I mean... So then I went on my Instagram and I was like, I'm cutting all my nails off because I can't take it anymore.

Also, every 13-year-old girl has like nails now. So I don't feel special anymore. So I thought, well, I want lesbian hands. You want lesbian hands? I'm going to cut them off. No, but these are a feat of engineering, though. I mean, can you show? Thank you.

Thank you. That's stunning. Thank you. Thank you. And I told Rue and Rue said, well, this is, that's stunning. Thank you, thank you. And I told Ru and Ru said, well, it really is end of days. That's not even a lost fingernail. That's like an insurance claim. I know.

That's like. I know. I feel like in seduction days you had the naturally grown full nail. I'm sorry? In seduction days, you had the naturally grown full nail. Those were my nails. Yes. Wow.

Six inches. Oh. We've all been to six inches. Yeah. Well, I hope. Yeah. We all have those stories. So I definitely grew them myself for all that time on the cover of the Soul System record.

Those were my nails. Yeah, Soul System. Yeah. Wait a minute. Matt and I had a really gross question. for all that time on the cover of the Soul System record. Those were my moves. Yeah, Soul System. Wait a minute, Matt and I had a really gross question. I have a sort of gauche question. So you're on the Bodyguard soundtrack. That is the biggest soundtrack of all time. Correct. So the biggest film soundtrack of all time.

Soul System, give it up for Soul System. Track nine, yes. Track nine. You are good. The only non-Whitney song that made it into the movie. Wow. So, how often do the check come in? Okay.

I am glad you asked because I am no longer in the lawsuit. Ooh. The checks came. This is full disclosure. My parents were losing their house house and my first paycheck came. I've never seen, it wasn't millions. So don't worry. Cause I, it was a remake of the Bill Withers song.

So guess who got most of the money? Oh, Mr. Withers. And then it was produced by CNC Music Factory, which we all know the history of that, them. Um, so I did well, but I didn't make millions. But the first check came in. So I bought my mom and dad a house. Wow. I mean, that's major. They were losing their house. So I bought them a house and then I bought them a car and I brought my brother a car. Then after like two years, the lawyer says, oh, your checks are going to get smaller and smaller. And I was like, okay, that makes sense because, you know because you sell less records and I don't know

how it works. I'm 23 years old. I have no idea. So come to find out years later, that lawyer calls me 20, 30 years later and says, oh, they told me to stop paying you. So I was only paid on 17 million records when 45 were sold. That's a third. That's a third of the record. So I tried to fight it. I know. Well done, Bobby. Well done. Thank you. Thank you.

You slayed, Bob. There's a statute of limitations X amount of years go by. I'm fighting, fighting, and I can't do anything because I missed the date. And this is why we strike. This is it.

This is it. Unbelievable, though. So when you're told, like, as a member of Seduction, you're going to be on the Bodyguard soundtrack. That was Soul System. Soul System. This is Soul System. This was the next group. Oh, yeah, yeah, right, right. After Seduction made zero money, I then signed with them again. So you're told you're going to be on the Bodyguard soundtrack.

Yes. And are you thinking that's going to be the biggest thing of all time because it's Whitney Houston, Kevin Costner? Or were you assuming that was going to be? Well, I assumed that I was going to be Madonna 2.0 from the beginning. Right. And that didn't happen. So I thought this next time, it was a better deal.

I got to write the rap that I did on the Bodyguard. So Clive Davis himself signed me. Wow. They brought me in for the meeting. Clive was like, you are a pop star. And I was like, you're right, sir. So I thought this was going to be my moment. And I did actually record most of an album that never got delivered. As a solo artist? As solo assistant featuring Michelle Visage.

I gotcha. So it never got delivered on time. So they axed us. They dropped us. But when Clive said, I'm going to put that song on the Bodyguard soundtrack, it was like, we don't know. I just hear Whitney Houston. That's all I get. You don't know really. It's going to be in a movie. That's a big deal.

But, you know, lots of songs go in movies. Every movie has songs. But not every movie hits the way that did. Yeah. So that was just an honor to be able to be on anything near Whitney Houston. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you ever get to like meet her and mix with her at that time? I did.

I got to interview her. I did morning radio for a very long time, for 17 years. And I got to thank Whitney in person for basically buying my parents a house and a car. But really changing my life in that way. And she was like, yeah, Jersey, woo. And I was like, yeah, yeah. That's it. Two Jersey girls.

That's beautiful. The best. The best. Wait a minute. Okay, so Michelle and I think, well, I suggested this because you use this in conversation. Okay.

I think it's time for us to bring. Uh-oh. Oh, I heard about this. It's time for us as a culture to bring... So stupid. You know what I'm going to say? Yes.

We're going to bring biatch back. Biatch. Okay. Yeah. But this is how it happened. We were texting. Uh-huh.

Voice memoing. Very intimate. Yes. And you know... Can't be traced. Americans don't WhatsApp. You know this, right? Americans iMessage.

And every English person or British person is like, what is that thing you're doing? That's an iMessage. So we were voice memoing back and forth. And I said, I'm going to come see you, biatch. And then I was like, ew. Ew. Did I just tweet Biatch?

I did, I did. And Bowie goes, yeah, you just said Biatch and I'm so ready for the return of Biatch. Biatch. I'm ready. I'm ready.

Why did he get rid of it? I don't know. I mean, he told me about it. I didn't even have to question it. I was like, yeah, for sure Biatch is that. Thank you. Biatch is back in the lexicon.

Why did it go away? I mean, the title of this ep is Biatch. Thank you. That's title of ep. Biatch with Michelle Visage, live from London. The title of this episode is Islington, Biatch. I feel like we threw the baby out with the bathwater when we all decided, you know, bitch is a hard, bad word.

It's very, you know, and I think we've come back around on bitch as being all purpose. Yeah. And I think biatch can have that same sort of like Swiss Army quality to it. Yes. Reclaiming my biatch. Biatch is very like metrosexual where it's like you're saying something but only 90% of the way. And then when they said bitch, it was like when metrosexuals were like, yeah, we're gay.

You know what I mean? And now I want to bring back biatch and metrosexuals. Yes. Okay, okay. I'm going back. I'm in. What's next, Z Cavaricis? That was very American, sorry.

Wait, what was it? Oh, Bowen. Am I too old? No, no, no. I think I just misheard. Z Cavaricis. Do you remember them? I have no idea.

They were a type of pant that were very tight here. And the straight boys, the guidos, the very Italian New York. How you do it. Those kind of guys would wear them and they were tight here. And then they'd kind of balloon out. And then they'd go tight at the ankles and you'd wear them with capizios. Capizios. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So tight at the waist, balloon out, and they come tight at the ankles and you'd wear them with capizios oh oh yeah yeah so tight at the waist balloon out and they come thank you yeah gotcha gotcha that was the hottest guy very

international male catalog hello i'm going back to the late 80s oh google it you'll be very happy those will be back any second the gayest men you've ever seen and i had the hots for all of them well yeah obviously now did you, in your adolescence, were you sort of attracted to a fleet of gay men? Yes. And so your gaydar wasn't there, but you knew, I want to be a part of it. I liked effeminate men.

I see, yeah. I liked a fancy boy. Yeah. And who liked hair gel. I don't know. A guy liner. It was like the new wave romantic era. And I would have sex with them.

You would. And then they would go, hmm. Okay. Oh! I have something to tell you. Yeah. So it was that. Not every time, but I helped them come out. Oh, my God. You're welcome. And it would be six, it would be, yeah, please. Yes, I mean,

that's what I'm here to do. Who among us? That's what I'm here to, I was a slag and a half. Yeah. I didn't really, honestly, that's, people ask me how I, what's the secret, the key to, I've been married for 26 years to this to the same man I almost said penis the same penis and they said what's the secret I was like well I had many years of slagatry yeah yeah yeah many you're done you're retired yeah yeah yeah and do you ever do you ever think about it you ever toss it out there you're, hon, let's open it up. Let's really become a part of gay culture. Yeah. Touché.

I don't know. Listen, if he, I am very open. I really am. So if he said to me, I don't know. Like, if he's not being fulfilled, I'm married. So I stopped giving head, obviously, right? Wow. That's what you do and he still does your taxes i know oh my god i know wow i have to do other things yes yeah um but i

you know i said he's like it's very sad i'm like i know i know i'll do i'm just hired like i work all the time like i'm tired and you know i really feel like i was like just go get a rub and tug like do go do something and he's like seriously i'm like go i don't just go you got too shy i know but you know it doesn't but so would i open um i don't know i don't know if this is not for fishing for compliments do not clap i don't it. I don't know if I could still pull. I don't know, I've been- Michelle. I swear to you, I have been around gay people for 125 years. I don't know if the pussy still got power.

I don't know, she could, I don't know. You know what- I don't know. I'm not fishing. I don't know. You know what the thing is though, I feel like nowadays straight men love to be around gay guys. Whereas back in the day they were like, oh, I don't know, gay guys.

Nowadays straight guys, they gravitate towards gay guys because A- The women. Yeah, the women. Right. And B, they can actually, because straight men I think do want to talk about their feelings. They do. But they just can't do it to each other. So when they find comfort in a gay man, so many straight men will spill their guts to me.

Yeah. And I'll be like, wow, it's another element of the repression. Yeah. No, you're right. So when you're surrounded by gays, these straight men in the year of our Lord 2023 are going to come flocking. And then, Michelle, you're going to be pulling.. And then Michelle, you're going to be pulling. I don't know. You're going to be pulling.

I don't know. Well. I should try a straight bar every now and then. Do they exist? They're out there. We were just at one across the street. We were? Wait, was it a pub?

Com, what is it called? Compton Arms. Compton Arms. The Compton Arms, yeah. That's straight? That felt straight to me. It's straight, yeah. And then we went to one called-

Is it a pub? Is it a pub? It's a pub. It's a pub. Go team. Go team. Right. I drank three Guinnesses before I got here. Like I was in football or something. You're like a dude.

Yeah. I know. Wow, bro. Oh, yeah. I have a coach dad and everything. Do you? Yeah. I was a code switching icon all my life.

Yes. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I love that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Not now. You can tell by my sort of pulled together look. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Not not now. You can tell by my sort of pulled together look.

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Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. You know, years ago, it was like one of the first conversations I ever had with Ru. Which was? We were talking about monogamy. And I was dating someone and I was like, you know, I'm wanting to bring up monogamy and my boyfriend is not into it and we're having a conversation. And Rue just flat out goes, well, monogamy is unrealistic and doesn't exist. It's a tough thing to do. It's a tough, it's a commitment.

Flat out. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I love the way the world is going. I love that it's like, if it works for you and it works for your partner, protect yourself and be happy. I mean, I don't see what's wrong with that. I think it's beautiful. So you got to know what works for you and figure it out. Stick by it. We've been joking that like this entire conversation, there's going to be like

sniper red dots on us in this church, like ready to get us. I'm surprised the church is still standing. Right. So are we. To be honest. At any moment, it's going to be burning down. So every time we have a guest on Las Culturistas, and this is a moment in time having you here, we have to ask the question.

So the central question of Las Culturistas, which is, Michelle Visage, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? So this is the defining movie, piece of music, pop culture, television show that you can think back and say, wow, that is the thing that made me turn into who I am. But sex.

Yep. Wow. No, honestly, for me. So compelling. There's a few elements of culture in my life that made me who I am today. We want to hear them all. One of them was Broadway musicals. Right. Or musical theater. It could be West End, too.

Number two, UK punk rock. The Sex Pistols, The Damned, The Buzzcocks, all of that was my shit. I wanted to marry Sid Vicious. I didn't know that he was problematic. He's killed. He's murdered.

I didn't know. I didn't know. He wore a padlock and bled. I thought that was cool. And then hip hop, 1979, hearing Sugar Hill Gang and then get full,

I am so cultured in old school hip-hop people don't know that about me that is a passion and a love um and then going into dance music dance music changed my life so when dance music came around and of course i'm talking about madonna going forward from there because madonna was everybody yeah i mean everybody knows how i feel about Madonna. And there's other ones, too. Donna Summer was a game changer for me. There's many, many, many music because I was kind of a loner and a loser and a misfit and a rebel. And I didn't have many friends. So I spent a lot of time with the radio and I spent a lot of time with records. So music

was very important for me. But when I moved to New York City, I went to university there I went to musical theater college because I wanted to be on Broadway and in America you have to be 21 to get into the bars and I was 17 when I graduated high school moved to New York and My mother sent me a fake ID because she said she did because she knew believe it or not This is gonna blow a lot of people's minds. I don't drink and I never did. Right. I don't party.

I never did. I've never tried a drug. I know it's hard to believe because I'm a maniac, but I was always Virgo, very focused and in control. So for me, I needed to go out to be discovered. No cell phone, no computer, no Google, no MapQuest, none of that stuff. So she sent me a fake ID and I went out to a club called The Underground, which was very big in those days. And I remember walking down these

dark steps. I grabbed a girlfriend from college and said, come with me. And it was dark. And this beautiful brown skin boy comes up to me and he said, you, your face, you're so beautiful. And I was like, me? But nobody really ever said that apart from my mother. I never felt beautiful. I never felt wanted or, you know what I mean? I never fit in. It just wasn't for me. And he brought me down the steps and he opened this curtain to the darkest room with the 30 or 40 of the freakiest looking misfits I've ever seen in my life. And I fucking knew I was home at that moment. It was a moment of, these are my people. They were voguing. And I was like, what are they doing? And, you know,

I, being this color, was welcomed into a Latinx house of all Dominican and Puerto Rican people with dark skin and beautiful, crazy hairdos. And they just brought me into their family. And I became a member of the House of Magnifique. And then, yes. And then I was brought into the Harlem ballroom culture. Never a question asked. Never you can't sit with us. Never too white, too black, too tall.

None of that shit. No cancel culture. You are one of us. You are our daughter. You are going to learn. And I became, if not the first, one of the first biological females to walk in a Vogue category in the balls. And that's how it started for me. Yeah. So that moment would probably be the moment.

That moment when I became a magnifique and walked in the ballroom culture and did all of that up in Harlem, where I felt that I had a family, a chosen family, was probably the biggest event for me. Incredible. So I wonder, like, in the past, like, really 10 years, but really more five years,

like, what is it like to see ballroom culture really be celebrated in the mainstream? And now with, like, Beyonce's Renaissance tour, it's, like, completely, I mean, it is monoculture. Yes. I wonder what it's like for you as someone that was on the ground being really a part of that authentically what is it like to watch it explode like this it's beautiful it's deserved these kids are so talented these these kids the magnifiques that were in my house you know you watch Pose and you learn a

little bit about it so interesting you know yeah None of us lived together. There were some truths, but a lot of them were made grander for TV. But it was amazing to see this culture be told. And it is more known now, but more to learn of where it came from and what it was about and what it meant to these kids, where a lot of them were living on the streets. A lot of them were kicked out or being raised by their grandparents and had no money, had nothing. And their way of celebrating each other was coming together and having these balls. These were a really big deal because we would make things for each other or steal things for each other. That's just the way that it was. And we would walk and we would compete. And there was so much pride in our in our trophies and our awards so it was a really big deal so have people like a freaking superstar like Beyonce pay um homage to

it is like yeah yeah of course it's incredible and incredible it's incredible because and it kind of at this point now it has to be a little educational because like you do need posts to sort of like give people like a digestible version of like what this time was you need Pose to sort of, like, give people, like, a digestible version of, like, what this time was. You need Legendary to kind of have you teach, like, the standards and conventions of voguing. And, like, Drag Race definitely has broken the seal on that and helped that kind of all come in. And I think, like, we're about to move into, like, hopefully we move into a future where it's, like, it's pretty shorthand and everyone kind of has an understanding of like what this is. Well, let's hope and let's not forget because I did live through the AIDS crisis in New York City and seeing that happen. So having Pose tell that story is just as important as having Pose explain what ballroom culture is.

So we don't forget. We can't forget what we've been through and what our brothers and sisters have fought for. So it's really important to have all that. I would love for it to be shorthand so people understand it, but there's so much more to learn because ignorance is coming on stronger than gay education. So we need to block that and educate through love, not hate. Everything could be taught, and it's people needing to realize that who a person is, who they love, who they are, gender, sexuality, fluidity, whatever. I have a non-binary kid

who I want to make this world a better place for. And in order to do it, we need to do that through love and education. Absolutely. Absolutely. Did you get a chance to see the Renaissance store? I did not get a chance to see it, but I am living all of it through TikTok.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the friends, and T.S. Madison gave me the rundown. Oh, I'm sure. She's in it. But I am living all of it through TikTok. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the friends, and T.S. Madison gave me the rundown. Oh, I'm sure. She's in it. She's in that show. Yes, she is. I mean, we actually came and saw it here in London. Was anyone at the London?

And I praised Tottenham Hotspur, and then people got mad. They were like, no, that's not all clout then. I'm like, all right, all right. That is a whole thing you don't know. It's a whole thing. I didn't realize.

Just keep your mouth shut. Right. But it's a fabulous venue that I'm sorry to shit on New Jersey. East Rutherford could never. No, they could never. East Rutherford could never. Listen, I know what Jersey is. Yeah.

But I'm saying like the MetLife Stadium, it is hell to leave. It's a trap. Tottenham, we got to walk out. We went to a pub. We killed time. And then traffic was dead. And then we went home. Yeah. It's a trap. Tottenham, we got to walk out. We went to a pub. We killed time. And then traffic was dead. And then we went home. Yeah.

It was lovely. Well, SoFi is no better in California. SoFi is no better. Horrific. Horrific. Also, you're going to a concert at SoFi. You can't hear it. Right.

I don't know how to explain. But it's a heat conduction. And you can't hear it. Doesn't work very well for concerts. No. Right. Annoying. I was really excited last year on Drag Race

when they did the Night of a Thousand Beyoncés. Amazing. Because I feel like that was like overdue. Is there a Night of a Thousand blanks that you would like to see on Drag Race that we haven't done? Madonna's Done Well. Yeah.

Madonna's Done Well. Still waiting on that one. Was that shady? No, not at all. I mean, like, you must have been so shook for Night of a Thousand Madonnas when four kimonos came out. Girl.

And, like, who the fuck is going to choose that one? The kimono. Honestly, the lazy girls who went to Canal Street. They do. There was not one bridal, not one, like, a virgin, not one borderline. I had that hat made the minute that frigging song came out. I know.

I know. We are owed a good Madonna runway. We'll do it again. There's a lot. There's a lot. Night of a Thousand Lies, thank you very much. Oh my God. It would be perfect.

Terrific. All of them coked out singing something. She's wearing Halston. Now, before we move on to I Don't Think So, Honey, Terrific. All of them coked out singing something. She's wearing Halston. Yeah. Now, before we move on to I Don't Think So, Honey, I need to ask an essential question. All right.

Off of vibes alone between Matt and I, who is the Michelle and who is the Leah Remini? Who is who? I know the answer to this. You do? I'm Leah. 100%. Yeah. 100% you're me. I'm you.

Okay, and you know what? This is our Leah Remini impression. Oh, God. Okay, you ready? I'm the kind of person who tells you the kind of person I am. She always starts her sentences off with, I'm the kind of person who leaves the church of Scientology. Yes!

I'm so proud of her. But I'm like But the thing is, I have always been such a Leah Reveny fan. Since childhood. Since Saved by the Bell. Since all of it. I mean, the King of Queens, just genius. And you have been her very best friend for how long?

I think 20 years. So through the Scientology of it. Oh yeah, everybody scattered like cockroaches. You stuck around. But you didn't. So when she's the Scientology oh yeah um everybody scattered like cockroaches and um you stuck around yeah so when she's in Scientology are you thinking like this is a little weird but like at some point like she'll get out of it or are you thinking like whatever that's the thing you don't know you don't know you don't know so one of the first things I asked her when I met her was like so tell me because you know I did entertainment reporting for all those years on the radio you'd hear about it but you don't know what it is. It's elusive. So I'd go,

what is this Scientology thing? What is it? It's a church? Where? What? And she would do what she was told, which was, well, listen, if you wanted to know what a Catholic mass was, I'd say go to church. So why don't you come with me to the church of Scientology and check it out that was my Leah impersonation so I went and this is my Scientology story are there any Scientologists in here? thank you Bun this was my story

they start out and they get you in good with some really important courses that can help your way of life what did you do? the one in New York I do? The one in New York. No, no, no, no, no. The one in New York. I went to the one in New York.

The Celebrity Center. As a bit. When I was in, when I was, 2008, I was 18 years old. I had just gotten to NYU. Me and my friend Lizzie were walking in Times Square, and I was like, let's go in and see what the fuck. So I gave them a. Did you take your personality test?

I gave them a fake name. Okay. I went in. They put me in what I can only describe as the pre-showroom to Tower of Terror. Okay. Like where it's like this bunch of like bound books and they close the doors and then it's like. I was like, so you're watching a video and they're doing the thing. Did you go on the cans?

I didn't go on the cans. Okay. But it was not far away. I could tell. Okay. So then they're like, Hey, just sign all this paperwork and then we'll start emailing you. And I'll never forget what happened. So as I'm filling out the paperwork with a fake name and a fake email, I say to the guy, so why are you in Scientology and why do you think it's good for you? And he says, you know, when I started started scientology i was in a relationship that really wasn't working for me and i just noticed that every day i was really angry and then all of a sudden i got involved with scientology and i'm not angry anymore and i'm like, yay!

Yay, you seem great! And so then we like fled. So you didn't take any courses? No, but essentially you understand why they get you because in the beginning, at least what I'm understanding, is it's basic therapy. So in a way, but they're like courses. Like they'd say to me,

well, yeah, you'd pay for courses in university or college. So why wouldn't you pay from here? So there's like data and then there's like overcoming the ups and downs in life and how to be a better parent.

And I had young kids. So I was like, I want to be a good parent. I probably suck. You know, I didn't know what I was doing. I had kids and I had no mother. So I was like,

I'm going to fuck these kids up. I don't mean to. But I didn't know, they don't come with a manual. You don't know what I was doing. I had kids and I had no mother. So I was like, I'm going to fuck these kids up. I don't mean to. But I didn't know. They don't come with a manual. You don't know what you're doing. I did my best. Here we are. So I go in to take these courses.

And then I did the $50 ones and then the $100 ones. Now, mind you, I was working on the radio. So I didn't have a lot of salary. So it came to like the $1,800 one. I said, I don't have the money. I didn't have the money to do it. And they said, well, you can borrow a friend's credit card. And I was like, what kind of friends do you think I got?

And they were like, I don't know if this is relevant here, but there's an actress called Jenna Elfman. Oh, yeah. We love Jenna Elfman. Big Scientologist. I, never mind. We love Jenna Elfman's work. We love Darvin Gregg.

We love Darvin Gregg. So when they said, they said, and I quote, when Jenna wanted to go clear, going clear is getting rid of all the... The feelings. The mishegast. Yeah. The shit.

Then when Jenna wanted to go clear, she borrowed a friend's credit card. And I was like, good for Jenna. I don't have that kind of a friend. So the guilt came, right? They put me on the cans and my husband was like, eye rolling and all that stuff. And I'm not, I'm just telling you like it is, you guys can make up your

own minds. I'm not an SP, but well, yes I am. So it came down to that. And I was like, I can't afford it. And Leah's mother stepped in trying to make it affordable. The idea of paying for me to do it is not really on the cards because you have to do it for yourself. So I moved back to New York to do a radio job. And I said, all right, I'll go back to the church and I'll take this course. I took this course. This is when I left. Okay. So I've taken about six courses at this point and it was time to make a commitment or get out. Am I going to do it or not? I still was like, something doesn't feel right. Because when I say the cans, they give you these things that look like two soup cans and it's called an e-meter. It's supposed to measure your energy to see if you worked through what was in the course. I bullshitted my way through those e-meters.

It's like a lie detector. Anyway, I get to the course and they start explaining something called the tone scale. And that tells you where people are rated in life. So, murderers and pedophiles are down at like 100 and like, you know, a deity, a god is like at zero, whatever. I started going through the scale and literally at like 90-something was pedophiles, murderers, and homosexuals. So, I took the book and I shut it. And when they do that, they come over and

they say, because there's a teacher walking around the whole time making sure you understand. And he said, what word didn't you understand? And I was like, that homosexuals are pedophiles and murderers. And he said, what are you talking about? I said, gay people are on the same tone. And I said, I quit. And I walked out. He's like, you can't quit. I said, girl, bye. And I called Leah's mother and I said, I'm never going back. And they called me for months. And I told Leah and Leah's like, I get it. I get it. And I'm like, how can you do it? And it kind of slowly started to dwindle. And then she started uncovering shit, but she had to do it her way. And it's been rough, man, but she's a fucking beast. I mean, she's amazing. I read her, and I watched the A&E series,

and she really puts herself out there, and I know it's still hard to this day. It is hard to this day, because they see everything she's doing, but she's only speaking her truth and letting people speak their truth. She's trying to help, and that's what, ironically,

Scientology is supposed to do. You know, all I want, too, is for her to be in more things because second act, she was good at second act. I never saw it. Okay, second act. J.Lo were best buds, right? Second act was my favorite movie of the year

because this happened. No comment. This was a choice that Leah Remini made in second act. So J.Lo's like, I'm stressed out because business and also, you know, juggling my life as a mom. And Leah Remini, she's like, all right, listen. And before she answers, she unbuttons the top button of her pants. That's her in life.

And then she goes, here's what you got to do. But before she could give the advice, she's like, let me unbutton this top button. That's a choice. That's a choice. I said, that is a real comedic icon right there. She's amazing. She's amazing.

And we celebrate. I love that. Thank you for that. She'll love that. Give it up. But I always wonder about like clearly cool people who are in it and then like, you know know all you want is for people to see the light but it feels like it's

tiny it's a small amount of people now I live next to the Scientology Celebrity Center in LA and there ain't nobody in there more than you know it's surprising yeah she's amazing yeah she's the best and that dovetails perfectly and I don't think

so honey wouldn't you say, Bowen? This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up. Think you've seen it all? I don't think you've been a good friend to me lately. We're friends like that. Who needs enemies? You ain't seen nothing yet.

Cheers to being Germanic. With the Real Housewives of Potomac. Oh my gosh, can I take this in? It's going to be amazing. We wear fashion. And below deck sailing out. You broke the rules and now you're here getting upset. Watch all new seasons on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba.

He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with.

His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network,

available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations.

I was a desperate, delusional dreamer, and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. This is I Don't Think So, Honey.

This is our segment. We do every episode of the podcast. We take one minute to rail against something in pop culture, the culture in general. What did you choose tonight, Bowen? You'll see, you'll see. So Bowen's going to go first tonight because I'm going to actually do something sort of form-breaking and exciting. So Bowen... going to go first tonight because I'm going to actually do something sort of form-breaking and exciting.

So Bowen... Such a rebel. I'm the Leah. Yes, you are. You're the Leah. I'm buttoning your pants. I actually just did have to button them back up. That's a Leah move.

All right, so Bowen Yang, this is your I don't think so, honey. I do have a phone that I can time you. So Bowen Yang is going to take his one minute right now to rant against something in pop culture that needs a railing against. Bowen, are you ready? Yeah, I'm ready.

Okay, here we go. This is Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Percy Pigs. Because, because, because. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Decorum, let him get through it.

Decorum. Because. Decorum, now. M&S Foods has a fucking chokehold on these things and is holding them hostage. How dare you have exclusive sale over the best candy in the world. Thank you. And I can't go to a Boots pharmacy and buy one along with my dental floss? How dare you?

I'm not going to M&S for anything else. I'm not buying one of your fucking sandwiches, bitch. I only have to go to you to buy this candy and then I feel like a fucking, I look like a groomer walking out of M&S with all this candy. Looking like a groomer walking out of M&S with all this candy. Looking like a groomer. So M&S, you're making me look crazy like a damn pedo as they say in the UK. Five seconds. I just need a one-stop shop where I can order Percy pigs off of Uber Eats or Deliveroo like any self-respecting person in the UK would do. And that's one

minute. And can I say? Yes. I just tried them backstage. Fuck y'all for keeping them from us. How dare you? That's made with real juice. And you can really

tell. You can tell. I felt vitamin C flowing through me. I said our candy is horse shit. It can tell. I felt vitamin C flowing through me. I said, our candy is horse shit. It's true. It's true. Bowen, I really feel like you struck a nerve. Well, I mean,

did you see the topography of that was such a... Because they thought that you were going to drag it based on quality. They hated it at first. And then they agreed. They thought you were dragging it based on quality. They hated it at first, and then they agreed. They thought you were dragging it based on quality. You were dragging it based on the exclusion. Availability.

Availability. It creates Oh my God, I'm so done with artificial scarcity. Fuck off. Yeah. It's out there. Put it out there. Ugh. And we're taking all four bags of it, and we're bringing it home, and customs It's out there. Put it out there. And we're taking all four bags of it,

and we're bringing it home, and customs can eat our ass. Well, if they're filled with Percy pigs, they might just... They might quite enjoy it. Sirs and madams. Sirs and madams. Okay. All right, so here's what I'm doing.

Okay, form breaking. So, you know, Bowen and I used to do a live show based on this segment called I Don't Think So Honey Live, where we'd bring 50 comedians on stage. This was back in the day. Back in Brooklyn, we'd bring 50 of our friends on stage and everyone would do a I Don't Think So Honey. And if someone didn't have an idea, they could reach into what was called the troll bowl. Yes. And they would have to do an I Don't Think So Honey on that topic.

Now, usually that topic was a beloved thing that it would be hard to talk shit about. Julie Andrews is a perfect example. Julie Andrews. Julie Andrews is one. Yeah. Malala. Malala.

Yep. So basically what I want is I'm going to do the troll bowl tonight. Who has an I don't think so, honey topic that they feel it would be hard for me to drag through absolute hell? Oh, this is so easy. What did you say? Princess Di got it.

This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey, on Princess Di. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey, Princess Di. Learn to drive your own fucking car. Then you get where you're going. I don't think so, honey, Princess Di. Your sons are fucked up, babe.

There had to be something that you could do. I don't think so. Honey Princess die, Dodie. Mama. We had everyone in the world and we went with Dodie. You get in the backseat with Dodie, you're going nowhere fast. Oh, no. I don't think so.

Honey Princess die, they have not figured you out on the crown. Mama, this thing playing you is too tall. What's Mama's name that plays her? Elizabeth Debicki. Elizabeth Debicki, too tall. 15 seconds. Too tall. Princess Di, the name is a little on the nose.

I don't think so, any Princess Di. Five seconds. We're really, how can you get even a little wet for Charles, you liar? You're so fake, Princess Di. And that's one minute. Oh, great. Rough. Rough.

Michelle did not like that. Rough. That's the name of the I Don't Think So Honey game, okay? It gets a little rough. I'm on my way to becoming a national treasure. I know. And yet you had to share the stage with me, a heathen. Oh, my goodness.

Oh, my goodness. I want to say... His words do not reflect my opinion. We love Princess Di. I believe none of what I said. Dodie loved her. Dodie loved her. Don't you point your finger at me.

Dodie loves her. Dodie loved her. Dodie loves her. Loved. I'm just saying, here's the deal. If I'm looking like Princess Di, I'm not checking up with Dodie. But he was so rich. He was so rich. I went to Harrods today.

Would you say? I went to Harrods today. Would you get anything in Harrods? It's just fucking magical. It's huge. It's beautiful. It's one giant palace of oud. Ood.

Oh, like this fragrance. Oh, my God. I didn't go to Selfridges until recently. Love it sausages, we call it. Sausages? Sausages. Just because it sounds like sausages. Oh yeah. Are these all Dodie things? No.

No. Harrods was. Harrods was a Diana. Well Harrods was a Dodie thing. No. Yeah. Well Mohammed. Is the father. Is the father and he was Harrods. Mohammed Al-Fayed. Yes. Dodie Al-Fayed being the son. Correct. And he sexed up with Princess Di. Correct. And he loved her. And he loved

her. Michelle. No. No? No?. And he loved her. Michelle. No. No? No, but okay, how do you want to proceed? Do you want to do one? No. What?

I can't because I don't know. I didn't have one. There's nothing that irritates you on a day-to-day basis? Well. Well? Well. It doesn't have to be pop cultural, obviously. It can be something going on, you know.

The color green. Do the color green. Do I Don't Think So Honey the color green. You've got one minute on the color green. Now they're starting to come for you about your hatred of the color green. They're like, Michelle, you can't actually positively hate color green this much. Why do you hate it? Oh, okay.

This is your moment. This is Michelle. This is Michelle Visage's I Don't Think So Honey on the color green. Her time starts now. I don't think so, motherfucker. The color green.

If I was a pink person, the color green wouldn't be so bad, but I am yellow. So if I... If I had to wear a yellow-based green, people would go, I'm so sorry about the hepatitis C. I didn't know. If I wore a yellow base green, I would absolutely look like, well, I need some infusion. You need an IV drip.

That's the one that I'm looking for, but I don't do that too. I don't think so, honey, because then we go to dark green. Dark greens look good on certain color skin, but every drag queen that comes up has to counterbalance with color correction, right, for the most part. We have oranges. We have yellows. And you know what color doesn't look good on that?

Green. Thank you very much. You don't want to look like you're dying. The key is to look like you're alive. Yes. So, in turn, stay the fuck away from pond scum green. There we go. Yes.

And now, we know. Honestly, Alexis Michelle found hopefully not green in the future. There are greens I like just to clear it up. I love Jade and I love Hunter Green. Hunter Green. Kelly Green. Kelly's bordering. Kelly's bordering on yellow.

When you start to go green screen or you start to go baby shit, that's when I'm out. Baby shit. Okay, so everyone out there looking to put their RuPaul's Drag Race audition tapes together, Hunter Green, Kelly Green.

Emerald Green. Emerald Green. Jewel tones are beautiful on everybody. But I will say this, people of color, dark skinned people look beautiful in every green. Emerald green. Jewel tones. Jewel tones are beautiful on everybody. But I will say this. People of color, dark skin people look beautiful in every green. So there's that. There you go. A little jealousy right here. Or if you're a green-eyed person

like me. I'm green-eyed too. It doesn't work. Everyone, this has been so much fun. Thank you for coming. Please thank our guest, Michelle Vestal. Michelle Vestal! Thank you!

My name's Matt Rogers. My name's Owen Yee. Good night! Thank you, LA! London! We love you! Play us out, baby! I'm Cheryl Swoops. And I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby.

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You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba? Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or stay with his relatives in Miami? Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski. And we are super excited

to tell you about our new show Dudes on Dudes. We're spilling all the behind-scenes stories, crazy details, and honestly, just having a blast talking football. Every week, we're discussing our favorite players of all times, from legends to our buddies to current stars.

We're finally answering the age-old question, what kind of dudes are these dudes? We're going to find out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.