Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Birds of a Weather" (w/ Louis Virtel)

Episode Date: February 16, 2022

To celebrate the fact that Las Culturistas is now being cited in academic work, the owner of popular culture Louis Virtel (Keep It! podcast, Jimmy Kimmel Live) finally joins our women to rant at the table. Readers! This is the one you've been waiting for. A full-on Oscars download as the nominations are reviewed... dissected, even! Gaga's snub?! Did we cause it? Something to think about. Also, Wheel of Fortune and game show culture, the experience of actually competing on televised game shows, an analysis of the stigma around Laura Dern stanhood, Kirsten's Oscar moment at long last and a long overdue discussion of the legendary Gilda Radner. Warning! This episode may contain some spoilers for the Oscar movies we discuss. Keep your ears open for spoiler warnings. Louis is truly a MIND and Las Cultch was lucky to have the bitch. Don't be a gatorade girl xo Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So the noms are in. The noms are in, and I mean, we are really... Would you say... I feel like we're prioritizing this episode. Listen, let's just say something. Peekbehindthecurtain.org.biz We actually are backlogging right now, okay? But this episode we put to the top of the heap

because we have to discuss the noms. And we, I mean, okay, I want to banter a little bit more, but we couldn't have had a better guest for this. The most highly anticipated guest in Lost Culture Reassist. When I look through the mentions, and confession time,

sometimes I just look through them I see what the girls are saying sometimes I even deign to type into the search bar in Twitter the words lost culturistas just to see what they're sort of saying quotation marks just to make sure that they're paired together right yeah and so what they're saying is they want our guests

on the show and I agree but we're waiting for this ripe moment of in person and just in the throes of the noms which are out which are out and so this is the moment where we really get into it but i want to say something and i want to pose this question to you did we jinx it for ruth and for gaga we may have no but Gaga was, that was the curse of Patrizia. It was sort of akin to when the flies were sent to Gaga by Patrizia. You know about this. Of course.

So Patrizia sent a cloud of flies to Gaga, sort of a bad omen. I think that it's really, she flew too close to the sun on this one. Didn't get the nom. Shit. Didn't get the nom. Shit. But I think that we sort of went so hard in on the last episode being like it's got we gotta see her get the nom we want this media narrative because i personally we wanted more of her

i i heard i get it i don't i did not check twitter on the day but i it seems like there was a lot of celebration around her getting snubbed. There was, and there was equal parts fury. Oh, the fury was so funny. Like, people really being hyperbolic about... Little monsters mostly being like, this is the worst thing that's ever happened. Ever. And I'm actually on record as saying... There's...

Oh, go. That I think she's better in Gucci than she is in Star is Born, because I want to see her be insane. Yeah. But I also understand Best Actress is crowded and she just got the bump. It's fine. It's fine. And have you heard this rumor that she's doing

that she's rumored to be doing the new Top Gun Maverick song, like the Take My Breath Away successor. I'm obsessed with that. And I feel like Take My Breath Away kind of like you wouldn't think it matches with that movie but I feel like she would write something

so powerful to like Take My Breath Away from Top Gun is one of the best movie songs I think. I agree. And I don't think

people would disagree. No. Not at all. You think Top Gun you don't think that but the love scene iconic love scene. The iconic love scene

do you think Gaga has another shallow in her like such like a huge I never bet against her in terms of how much space she can take up yeah and what she can do yeah i actually look it's unpopular opinion but if she had gotten nominated i'd have been like cool oh i get it good for her yeah i just said good for her but there's there's it didn't happen didn't happen and so we're gonna move on but first we're gonna discuss really but first coffee and it's actually rule of culture number 33 but first coffee um really couldn't have a better guest to sort of go through the topical nature of the oscar

nominations and so much more so much more um this is truly i. It's so funny that we have a pop culture podcast. We really have no business. We have no business really doing it. This is someone who has all the business in the world doing it. In fact, they actually got to win the award from iHeartRadio, our very own network

for best pop culture podcast. And Las Cotirisas actually went home unawarded for best comedy podcast they deserve the win I think we were probably miscategorized in the first place

comedy podcasts were up against Smartless and who else I would call us a comedy podcast before I call us a pop culture podcast here we are saying like you know you know, Lady Gaga deserves. You know what I mean? The funniest farce in the land. Well. So he's a writer on Jimmy Kimmel Live.

You often see him on camera. He was text up this very recently. And looking good. Looking good. No one can say no. No one can say no. And the co-host of the Keep It podcast. Award winning. Award the Keep It podcast. Award winning.

Award winning Keep It podcast. Winner of Best Pop Culture Podcast from the iHeartRadio Podcast Awards. Maybe one day, you know. Maybe one day we'll taste. We'll taste the flavor. Taste victory. I feel Susan Lucci vibes in my own sort of track record. Do you love that for us?

No. Okay, me neither. Give us awards. I've been saying it. Or us individually. You will probably get a nom soon. What are you talking about? No, don't. Truly,

this is a moment in time. It's a moment for our readers. It's a moment for us to welcome the one and only let's welcome to your ears louis vertel oh my god that whole thing about being award snubbies you two fell on deaf ears because i am an award winner so i just didn't know i see you can't relate and you do just it's a different frequency of speech like you literally did not hear it right no i was like looking out the window it was was really peaceful. I feel as though, well, really, I've already been snubbed for best reality competition host for the show everyone watched, Hot Dog. Hot Dog.

But that is in your future. So it's like, let's keep track of that. Yes. And by the way, there are very few queer honorees in that category. That's true. I want to say Billy Eichner was the first. Maybe he was in Game Show Host for Billy on the Street. It changed categories a couple times. But i remember realizing he was the first gay person

to be nominated yeah and it's such a gay genre yeah i know and now rupaul has kind of eaten them all up so by the time by the time they're done with him they'll never give it to another queer again right yeah so that'll be it for that no because he's like the john larraket of that category just like when my references are going to continue to be stunningly up to date so you need to know that someone said someone said someone said when they found out lewis was coming on the podcast they go it's going to be like i don't think so honey 1983 original screenplay nominees come on the right stuff yeah i was like i wonder if if you would have one. I mean, I truly feel like I'm about to be schooled. I always feel like I learn something whenever I just...

I'm a sponge around Lewis. Oh, that's incredibly flattering. And I feel like you are definitely smarter than I am. No, no, absolutely not. That's just not true. I know him. He's not true. Okay, great.

I think, really, this is a wonderful moment for for for the reader for us um okay well what are your should we just get into it lewis what what is your sort of feedback your your soundbite for for the nums well okay the gaga snub to me feels like when jennifer aniston didn't get it for k which is to say there are so many people in the academy i'm sorry like i don't mean to be a shill for the academy but they're gonna vote for the better performances sure sure it kind of seemed like everyone thought that was one of them though yeah because of all the precursors that yeah that said um when you said she was better in that movie than she was in a star is born i didn't hate that observation because at a star is born the whole i think we gave it to her because she seemed

so relaxed as opposed to doing a gaga shtick. And we were surprised by that. But that's not the same thing as being a brilliant actor, really. And as I saw somebody on Twitter say, it sort of felt like they had trouble scraping together great takes of her. For Gucci? No, for Star is Born. I see, I see, I see. Where Bradley Cooper is doing some hard acting and she's doing some reacting to him. Yeah.

Which, I mean, I do think in a romantic drama duet, as it were, is a lot. But I think, honestly, you might be onto something with, with A Star is Born, I think we were all surprised she could drop in at all. You know what I mean? Because she so exists in this Magritte surreal realm. Every episode he uses this term. What did we initially describe as Magritte surreal?

I think it was the plot and just like that. The plot of it just like that. You said it was surreal I said it's Magritte. We're describing all these things as Magritte surreal but because she's so on another planet screaming during her Vegas residency or whatever and then you see her, I think she's one of those celebrities who

I didn't know what she actually looked like for the first, like, seven years of her career. Uh-huh. Do you know what I mean? And so then to see her give, like, a dropped-in, relaxed performance and also access a part of her that we know, I think A Star Is born was the vehicle for her stardom it was the perfect alignment of we had no idea she could be relatable that's what it was and then she was yeah and also you know it it also is tailored specifically to her gifts i mean you know what i mean she's going to perform shallow and one thing i always say like a rubric that i often

say which i think i've said to you both is when it comes to the Oscars, what I am interested in is, could anyone else have done it? Right. Like this. And I genuinely feel like with A Star is Born, maybe no one else could have done it like that. And for House of Gucci, you think someone could have?

Yeah, I absolutely think yes. Yes, and something that's sort of dawning on me now, and I'm sure everyone's already thought of this, but it's like, that movie is, and the press tour that was super smash brothers it was i mean i mean it was all these people fighting for a different tone but for her i feel like that did not service her um bid for for for award season because it was just such a chaotic movie and that you're she doesn't really hold the center because she's like not she's missing from like the last third of it you know correct yeah it's weird to nominate her for lead for that reason though i will say i do think she's the best thing in the movie which is crazy

to say i think i was talking about this on keep it this week again i mean like jeremy irons is maybe in my top three favorite actors and he sucks compared to her my my the part that makes and i really was laughing during house of gucci because i don't think it's good like i think it's like a first draft and the note of don't make it about the gucci empire make it about her was just missed um but when he and the accents of it all is a whole conversation but when they're sitting at dinner theater murder mystery yes yes when they're sitting at lunch and he's talking in his like 20 like italian accent but really british he goes how do you say and i'm like okay so what's the

reality of this because if we're if we're italian yeah if we're italian but we're speaking in an italian accent for the for the for the audience then you would not say how do you say you would not search for a word it reminds me of have you ever seen the movie children of a lesser god that marley matlin okay in the movie she i mean it's actually there are really good parts obviously william hertz a really good actor too but like great whenever she does sign language he says it for the camera and you're like this completely takes it out like this is not reality at all oh i understand what you're saying and so does everyone watching completely takes it out like this is not reality at all oh i understand

what you're saying and so does everyone watching yeah like it's a rebus he's solving for us yes yes a rebus how do you say and i was like see this is jeremy irons just trying to give it something but ultimately i guess there is a part of me that like just wants it all to be fun and i think it is more fun with her yeah and then the part of me that's like okay let's actually nominate the best performances like is thrilled to see penelope cruz there yeah even jessica chastain who i think we've a little been a little bit down on over the years yeah for sure when you take movies called the zookeeper's wife you don't want friends yeah no and so when you're when she does a great job in this movie where she's you know under like

yards of makeup it's wild and she's still great i really am movie where she's, you know, under like yards of makeup. It's wild. And she's still great. I really am like, all right, Jessica, you did it. Did you see Isaac's head in the face? I didn't see. Guys, I just got to be up front. I'm very illiterate this year.

And so this is also why I am like maybe a surrogate for the audience, for the reader at home who maybe has also has not seen many of the movies this season. You know what's the thing? It's like so many of the movies now are immediately available on Netflix and on Apple TV Plus with Coda, so that it's like they're right there available. And yet, it's that thing where it's like the buffet of options. It's like you don't consciously stick it in.

It's like, oh, I enjoyed the thrill of seeing that that option was there, and now I move on to more. Exactly. I did see the eyes of tammy faye and i you liked it i loved it actually and i it's a wikipedia movie but she nails it she's she's just went and you said this it was like she really is actually i think a lot more effective when she's able to like when she's there's jokes for her to play and there's big choices for her to make. I liked her in zero dark 30, but I never thought she'd win that year against a bigger,

you know, more lovable performance, I guess. But in this, and I'm looking at the five nominees, like, and I don't, and she hasn't won much.

And I think people were sort of surprised by the nomination, despite the support that she's had all season long. I think if she were to walk away with the Oscar, I wouldn't be mad at that i don't think anybody would no no because also it's like a very traditional best actress when you know not only is it a public figure it's an iconic public like yeah and a hard look to pull off yeah a specific voice a specific caricature-esque person with a soul yeah you know yeah so it's not completely wacky there's something dropped in an emotional you know so there's the typical bait stuff which is wow this was a transformation which i think is so overrated a lot of the time

especially yeah you know what i mean like we we fall for that so much like when it's like with the jared leto of it all my favorite quote-unquote snub is him like i i would have not been able to stomach that which reminds me the one nomination that movie did get was best makeup which i like because it made it harder to see the acting well do you see that whole story um apparently i think it's makeup and hair right hair got nominated for house of gucci and the hair the hair the head hair whatever yeah um gaga's person yes and ridley scott apparently like did not let him do anything yeah and he had to fight tooth and nail for every single big swing in that movie yeah and like it's very sort of vindicating that he's he's one of the only people who got nominated for the film for someone who's fully obstructed

at every turn. But who is the favorite to win Best Actress this year, then? It is weird. Olivia? It's a tough one. I think it's between her and Nicole, though people also hate that movie. Go on Twitter and everybody being like, when I was four, Lucy's the one who put me to bed every night. This woman was scary.

She had big eyebrows or something. You know, people are fucking babies. Yeah, yeah yeah yeah i would i would say having seen both nicole and olivia and jessica actually have i seen everything yeah penelope and kristin yes and so i mean personally for me i think it could go anyway i think we might see olivia win again i well also it's i think people who love that movie value that it's not just a difficult role. It says something about motherhood that movies usually don't say. Uh-huh. Oh, my God. The only problem with that movie is it doesn't end on a note that's, like, satisfyingly crazy for what the movie is doing.

It almost feels a little soft, so you can even forget some of the bold choices the movie makes. Oh, interesting. a little soft so you can even forget some of the bold choices the movie makes oh yes saying yeah because in the book she it's more it's a little bit less ambiguous that she's died maybe oh no she's in the hospital at the end of the book right it's more i think it's more ambiguous in the film that yes yes you're right you're right you're right yeah and you know what's interesting thing is it's like i always remember i always my pull from that movie like what i walk away thinking about is not is dakota is dakota she's awesome like i that's the supporting before and i remember i i was watching it and i texted our friends and i was like i don't get this dakota performance like i was just like it was like the first scene happened you meant the um no i mean the dakota performance

i mean like that first scene where so in the movie if you haven't seen it, it's, you know, Dakota's daughter. Dakota's like this hot girl on the beach. And, like, Olivia's sort of eyeing her. Dakota's with her whole family. Olivia's alone. So she's sort of, like, seeing her, like, exist. And she's this hot young mom on the beach. And she loses her daughter.

Olivia finds the daughter, brings her back. And there's this scene where Dakota is thanking Olivia for loses her daughter olivia finds the daughter brings her back and there's this scene where dakota is thanking olivia for bringing her daughter back yeah and it's this bizarre in the store no no by olivia's chair yeah yeah and dakota comes over and she's sort of like i just want to say thanks and i really like your bathing suit and like and it's like a little bit psychosexual yeah and i'm not sure what it is And then when the movie ended and you see like her mood swing in the final scene where she really spoiler alert, skip 15 seconds, spoiler alert, skip 15 seconds, spoiler alert, skip 15 seconds, fucking stabs her that she is truly like that's part of it. That's sort of like irrational sort of i don't know like chemically imbalanced performance that she's giving is actually quite specific and something i walk away thinking about whereas jesse buckley maybe this is a testament to her acting because she

is so dropped in and makes it look so easy i just didn't walk away thinking of her and therefore would never have voted for her yeah no and yet so did I just don't like that part of the movie really I just don't think the movie needs backstory to explain Olivia that was the least like feminist choice of the storytelling to me it's just like I just want to experience Olivia and her like weirdness and her approaching

people and being suddenly hypersexual and like getting in Ed Harris' ear which we've all done I related to that yes every scene should have been her watching a movie and yelling at teenagers I love that so good because it's like

maybe this has something about where we all are in life it's like now I identify with the woman getting fucking upset about people being loud and not the young people having fun I'm like I'm with her especially because nobody else in the theater is reacting, which is extra inferior. You have to react on their

behalf. You're helping them, but they don't want to be helped. See, you know what, though? Maggie Jill. Maggie Jill nailed. I might have to stand. I've been enjoying her interviews with VF on YouTube about this.

Also, I've recently become obsessed with her Architectural Digest tour with Peter Sarsgaard, where they have a crazy, gigantic brownstone in New York. And I said this on Twitter. They enter a room, and there's just three colonial tables. And they say, well, here's where the kids play. I was like, what planet are we at? What do they do? They're so funny.

Just watching a celebrity negotiate their home and be like, well, they want to see it. It must be amazing. And to talk about their taste as if it's like, yeah, I had this. I think my favorite one that we talked about this is did you watch Vanessa Hudgens? Oh, I have not seen Vanessa Hudgens.

It's iconic. Something happens in that, okay. Vanessa Hudgens, I'm sure she's a lovely girl. She says... Something happens. She's like, I have these classic French love stories on the shelf. First of all... Oh, no.

They're classic French love stories. They are the newest possible editions. Like, you would buy it like Urban Outfitters. And it's like... It's like Madame Bovary. She just... She saw words. She saw Madame and she said that's it

that's it that's French I love that from my house the only person I think who has a relatively relatable AD video is maybe Kirsten

because she has good taste because she's kind of standing there with her interior designer and they're just being like yeah you know it's just her

having a conversation and she has great taste which by the way great down to earth choice having the designer there and not being like this all appeared out of nowhere this oak tree i turned into a fireplace or whatever yeah yeah okay so transitioning to kirsten here okay which which also matt's already in tears yes matt's already crying so uh so her vf video of her

career timeline i've watched the best i've watched like 20 times at this point i'm like there's the way that hearing her talk about her work yeah is so captivating to me i'm like it's a it's a full she's a mesmer i'm like i can just watch you just talk about how you do like dream i've talked about on the podcast the dream work that she talks about we're sort of fascinated by because it's really interesting like that she would and yet i completely believe yes that she no matter what it was might inform her work that way on the day because she is so and i this is something i say a lot but she's so specific and grounded and never puts herself before the film no in a way where i'm like power of the dog

actually is the perfect first nomination for her. Yeah. Because it is a great encapsulation of her understanding tone, of her... Because, and honestly, while she is a movie star, while I'm sure she's been number one on dozens and dozens of call sheets, there is something to say

about how she supports the film she's in. And I don't think the power of the dog works unless you have that performance be exactly what it is. Not to say that another actress couldn't do it. But power of the dog, and I've said this before, is about her anxiety. And it is about a battle for her life. And so you have to, in those final minutes of the movie, believe that either Cody Smith-McP benedict cumberbatch is going to like triumph in this household and you only care as much if you are really believing the build that is

her anxiety and her break at that last scene where she's collapsing and fainting oh yeah yeah and i'm just like it's so and it really is so due to jane campion as well yeah but it's such a genius performance and it's not showy to Jane Campion as well. Yeah. But it's such a genius performance and it's not showy, but I wish more performances like this would win Oscars. But in the way that I think The Lost Daughter ends on a note

that makes you forget what you saw, the end of Power of the Dog makes you think her character was basically a red herring. Because it's ultimately all about what Cody McPhee has done. Right. So you forget, like,

you just think of her as drunk. You know? Right. But then, doesn't it end on like her and jesse plemons walking back from from the funeral from the service yes and it's cody just kind of like check like looking from his room and just like seeing that she's okay furtively and just being like okay like she's i've protected her well because the the movie begins with that with that with that image with that voiceover of him being like,

it's my job to protect my mother. What kind of son would I be if I did not do that? This goes back to, there's a lot of time I'm bringing up the dream work. She says that she loves that because there's no way that she doesn't feel confident about an acting choice if it's informed by her subconscious.

Does that make sense? Which means she's pretty in touch with her instrument. Yes, yes. And by the way, in an unpretentious way, like what you're talking about, this video where she talks about her career and the choices she made and what roles were difficult, etc. It's what Gaga wishes she could convey. You know, like, I'm good at this job,

I have methods that I pull from, and I deliver something great. Lady Gaga wants to tell us she's doing that but to hear chris kirsten dunst do it successfully is very reassuring because you kind of while listening to gaga think oh maybe all actors are secretly a little full of shit like but no she's not she's not she's not she's not oh yeah it comes from a real place that you can tell us some and i also think another thing about kirsten Dunst is we don't really super know too much about her as a person. We know about her through her work and she's given so many different kinds of versatile performances. But there was a moment there a few years ago where she definitely had a hard moment.

Well, that's pre-melancholia. She checked into rehab. Yeah, yeah. It was after Spider-Man 3. She's who I associate with PerezHilton.com. Because she was called Kiki Drunks. That's vile. I actually, unfortunately, defend certain things about Perez Hilton.

He made me laugh. It was funny. It was in the moment, in that time, it was what, it touched on something that we all really responded to. I just feel like the way we covered celebrities changed forever after that. And I think we were needing something that we all like really responded to i just feel like the way we covered celebrities changed forever after that and i think we were needing something that was less stale i again i i think someone like juliana rancic does hard work i think it's hard to be on a red carpet

and say something novel about everybody you see agree that said agree it's super boring to see someone who has the same quote-unquote enthusiastic take about every celebrity so to have somebody who covered daily news and be like, this person's full of shit. And then also on the contrary, be like, pay more attention to Madonna's choices. You know,

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or wherever you get your podcasts. My thing about Kirsten, too, is it is about, like it's like you're saying gaga gaga is letting us know about all the work yeah this is and i think it's one of the reasons why it's we're so um so sort of like invested in this new thing she's revealed because you don't hear about her process you know and i'm so i've sort of been doing like a kirsten-a-thon um in these last few weeks because i'm loving this moment and we did say on this podcast i think it was like a year ago it's like kirsten kirsten we started beating the drum not to say we're we're we're due the credit but like i think as a maybe it's even as a gay community it's like it's like it's been it's been bubbling

under for a while i would have loved it if it happened for her in The Beguiled. Would have loved it. Oh my god. Which is, by the way, a better performance. So you don't think she should win for Power of the Dog? I'm on the fence. It's a weird category for me. Because again, I don't even really know what I think of Jessie Buckley. I have to go and see the movie again, basically.

The weirdest choice to me is Judi Dench in there who has a an extremely small part in belfast though she is quote unquote the heart of the movie so i kind of get it but to vote for her over katrina and that movie who has the significant emotional moment with the stakes feels i'm sorry mean yeah and also it's like negligent yeah it's like what do you mean like they clearly saw the movie right right and there's one performance i was wondering if they didn't see the movie and they just thought oh well judy dench plays granny so we've got to vote for her for that not that by the way i i love judy yes in her own way i'm not going to call her underrated but people just assume she gives a certain performance again and again yeah and it's like she's been solid for so long that you kind of just it's no time

scandal you could argue that's a win. No, right. The crazy choices she makes, and they just all seem normal because she's the most dropped-in actor ever. Right, right. Dropped-in, by the way, a phrase I have totally stolen from you and has infected my brain.

Oh, we all say it. Because I have to remind myself all the time to be it. Exactly. It's a linguistic thing where it's like, if you can name it, then you can sort of live with it more. But I heard that you are very upset about Ruth Miga. That's, I mean, like any reasonable fag.

Of course. Oh my God. But I said that performance, and this is of course the highest compliment I can give, belongs in the movie Carol. In that, it's about poise and it's about sort of the chemistry that comes with sophistication.

And yet there's also a tragic artifice there and you can see the cracks and but she's not playing the cracks like you have to search for them initially right and i just thought that was clearly the performance of the year and everybody who watches that movie seemingly is like of course she's amazing my parents were like who is that i was like oh god it is startling and honestly like i didn't actually even though she's an oscar nominee for loving um which as a nomination i didn't know you revile i hate that nomination yeah and so it's just like so i thought it was a slam dunk because i was like if they nominated her for that they'll certainly nominate her for this in a in a category where it felt like there were only a few

sure things um her actually being one of them after all these precursors and then when they didn't it felt like oh maybe they just and they did completely miss this movie yeah yeah well it seems like this was the season in the year where precursors meant nothing and i think they mean more nothing more and more yeah which i'm happy about i'm sick of the like deluge of we already know what's going to happen weeks and weeks before the oscars Let's check Gold Derby and see where the needle has moved. Does it ever meaningfully predict

these things? These things that they used to say meant everything don't anymore. They used to say when a movie gets nominated for editing, it's certainly getting nominated for Best Picture. It's like a precursor. Then I saw Tick Tick Boom get nominated for editing, it's certainly getting nominated for Best Picture. And it's like a precursor.

And then I saw Tick, Tick, Boom get nominated for editing, and I'm like, well, certainly in a year where there's 10 nominees and a leading actor contender, we'll see Tick, Tick, Boom in Best Picture, which I would have loved. I love Tick, Tick, Boom. I thought it was really good. And then it wasn't.

And I was just like, nothing means anything. What about necessarily the editing of tick tick boom are you like well that's no way okay you're a person too imagine there's a ballot in front of you do you need to vote for best picture yeah because something got an editing nomination no yeah are you taught like what magical race of people are you talking about who votes that way it's like the thing did you see dune i did not see dune i'm telling you i'm so out of it this dune has a lot going for it but it's half a movie it's half a movie literally and and so whatever but like certainly if you're going to list the top five nominations it's getting uh-huh certainly one is direction oh direction of course

of course i don't know why I said that it wasn't there right it's just so interesting the way these things shake out sometimes there is a magical race of people and it's people who have the Academy showroom app

on their Apple TV oh yes yes my friends Jordan Logino well I learned about it I learned about it through Jordan and then I was

and then I was at work with someone who is on the Academy and he was like oh yeah I watched it on the and I was like he was like I watched Drive My Car on the Academy app I was at work with someone who is on the Academy, and he was like, oh, yeah, I watched it on the... And I was like, I watched Drive My Car on the Academy app. I was like, you people are... How dare you?

How dare you, like, fucking wave this in front of our faces? Yes, and you know all those people have good TVs. Great TVs! Theaters, even. Theaters, even! I just want to... That's not a password thing, is it? I'm sure there's, like, four different authentication processes. You just gotta

be or know someone in the academy. No, but I'm saying even if you just... It's not like an HBO Go password thing, where it's like, I think they probably authenticate you like four times over to make sure that it's just showing up. Oh, it's like alias. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's like alias. Yeah, I'm certain that's true.

This has ruined my media consumption. I feel like i i need that or else i won't be happy i don't know no and it's so satisfying to scroll through it's like wow they're all here they're all here you don't have to go through the mania of what's available where i'll go to this weird movie theater where like the popcorn is petrified you know uh-huh i will say when i was when i was in new york um and I had to cancel all my shows, and Omicron was the new beast, I was the only person at Angelica, and I saw like four of them.

Yeah. Like right in a row, because they had them. I love that. That's my favorite time of year. Yeah, it really is fun. And I always go by myself, so I can zone in. That's how I saw being the Ricardos, Licorice Pizza, Red Rocket.

Which we loved loved i mean didn't get any love right no well he was i just think it's a thing of people not seeing it right but then again with the academy app is that an excuse and also he lost to five huge stars yeah with like sterling reputations so best actors wild i think that if i had a gun to my head and i for sag i do have the gun to my head, I think I'm going to vote for King Richard for ensemble and vote for Andrew Garfield for actor. I feel good about that. Yeah.

I feel like his main competition in Best Actor, I guess people still think Will Smith's going to take it. I don't. I feel like people aren't talking about that performance in regards to that movie, even. I feel like people are more into Anjanue Ellis, who has an extremely small part have you seen king richard i have not okay you gotta yeah you know it's good i mean like it's a sports film and you would think it would put you to sleep right away because you know what's coming right but it's not there's something about it that feels very organic to what that story was that's what i've heard is well expressed yes yes and the girls are great right right by the way there's an interview with one of those girls the girl who plays venus her name is i think sydney sydney thank you yeah yes her

talking about oh yeah i learned how to hit the ball with my wrist broken because she hits it with her wrist broken i was like what you're like a joy i think what it is is she's a righty and venus is a lefty or something like that she she did learn to do it with her other hand that's pretty cool and it's crazy and there's a moment in king richard where she realizes that she's won something or she realizes something is happening and she goes to the mirror looks at herself in the mirror and like has a celebration and i'm like that young actor is someone to watch yeah and there's a moment later because a lot of them the movie is based on venus's rise and so serena who as we all know went on to become the greatest player ever like there's a moment where the actress playing serena is sort of sitting

there standing at the court and will smith goes over to her i i i think this is the best original screenplay of the year i do and so he goes over to her and says i know this is hard because this is all about venus but and will smith is really good in this scene. Am I going to cry? He was like, you're going to be the best of all time. Which feels a little convenient, even though I'm sure it was said. Yeah, but it's a winning movie. I'm sure it was said. But it's like, to put that in the screenplay, where it's like, and also, you will win this many whiffles. But you know what, though?

It's a father talking to his daughter, who he knows is hurting. And I think that there is room for that remember the Titans moment. You know what I mean? in movies like i i i get it i get being like when something is saccharine being like but it really worked it's a really good scene but also in regards to that actress watching her talk i mean in the performance is really good it's not drawing too much attention to itself obviously the story is like sort of about the girls you know ultimately but her in this interview it was like that ian armitage thing where it's like you're 1500 years old yeah yeah i guarantee you're older than i am yeah yeah no he and armistice that's a whole other vibe um javier is best actor yeah interesting

it is interesting because you know what's weird is it's like sorry i did not to totally no no but we can talk about javier like it's um it's weird because you think nicole nicole nicole nicole nicole and then you do see it and like he is fantastic imagine him being bad i mean that's right i see people sort of down on this performance i thought it was great and again i definitely have seen every episode of I Love Lucy. The one-to-one physical parallels don't mean anything to me. And in fact, I've enjoyed seeing interviews with Lucy Arnaz, Lucille Ball's daughter, who has this like crackerjack memory.

It's like cool to watch interviews with her being like, I'm so glad they didn't go for the physical transformation. She's like, it's so much better this way. Which I agree. It's like, it's like the, it's the other side of the coin for the, for the Tammy Faye thing where it's like, it's so much better this way. Which I agree. It's the other side of the coin for the Tammy Faye thing, where it's like, it didn't... I mean, I too have seen all these tweets and posts where it's like,

Nicole didn't have anything behind the eyes and all this stuff. And it's like, Lucy was so just expressive from behind the face and all this stuff. And I'm like, I still enjoyed it. But my thing with Javier is, didn't he say in an interview after the noms came out where he was like,

I would not have, like that movie is Nicole's. If it weren't for Nicole, then that role would be nothing. Which I appreciate that he can just sort of like be very, that he's brave enough to say that. Yeah.

I also want to say, in regards to what you were just saying about people being upset with Nicole, I would have loved to hear this conversation about tom hanks being nominated for mr rogers where he did not seem like him at all and no one cared mr rogers has an effeminate quality and he did not play that at all and i think people liked that interesting i think there's always going to be more scrutiny on women being cast the same way more people care about best actress than best actor you know what i mean it's just like and i remember we

i don't know how you felt like but we were both very skeptical about nicole being lucy because it was originally cape lanchette right right which and obviously that's like my one your dream i don't even think we would be talking about who would win no no i think he would be done but then you two have also both said that despite you know i think nicole had such an uphill battle that it's it's kind of triumphant to see it like i just never bet against her because when is has she has nicole kidman ever been bad that's a good question uh not nothing really comes to mind other than like bad movies like bewitched did we love that i i i enjoyed it i think she was like i think i was like good for her you know that was like but that was in her true like um imperial phase 1.0 right you know what i mean that was like i was

just i was excited to see christian shen within a movie oh yes right yes which is which is illegal for a number of years yeah well then she did the boy next door and now it's illegal again right oh my god that role wait christian wasn't it the boy next door she gets killed in it oh right after she is viciously insulted yeah oh no it's that thing where like a character doesn't deserve it but gets it really bad it's like she's found dead in a closet like oh my god there's a hot sex scene in that movie though. Oh my god. We put that guy in Everybody Wants Some

where he wears a jockstrap. He's so hot. No guess what his name is. His name is Ryan Guzman. First edition of The Iliad. Is this a first edition? Oh my god, Noah, you shouldn't have. Whenever it's that you shouldn't have, I'll do laugh.

And I don't think we've ever gotten into a bigger fight than when over jennifer lopez and laura dern year oh that's right oh she's amazing and i came out of hustlers being like definitely uh jennifer lopez's best performance and i am upset that she didn't get the nomination yeah you were hard laura that year though yes generally yeah uh which i don't want to say that's basic of me i don't know where i don't know i was angsty about it because i felt like she then became like underestimated people like oh it was a broad performance whatever it's like the that part of the movie wouldn't work if she weren't a little fucking weird. Exactly. Yeah. Laura Dern, liking Laura,

when did, what, when did that happen? Big Little Lies, I think. I think it was Big Little Lies. But I'm saying, liking Laura Dern

becoming synonymous with basicness. Oh, right. This is a thing because there was a moment where Laura Dern was like, it felt like, finally,

we're talking about Laura Dern in this way and then in an instant. Literally, okay, RuPaul hosted SNL, me, Sudi, and Fran Gillespie wrote a sketch called Gay Oscars, and it was me and Ru host, and then it was like, and of course, it was basically what that Jordan Firstman piece ended up being. Yeah.

And where it was like, Laura Dern, Laura Dern, Laura Dern was nominated in every single category. Yeah. Best hair, Laura Dern. But, like, we thought so at the time, until, and this is not us like knocking like the the like jordan's thing but it was just like oh whoa this is so weird like the the the parallel thinking on laura dern is really synchronized in such a specific yeah way right now and then after that that was the inflection point maybe not that specific thing but like shortly after now it's

like we talk about laura dern and it's like oh god whatever yeah it's like a joke now it's like i think it's even a joke in the second season the other two like laura dern like yeah yeah yeah dazed liking laura dern became monoculture like the titanic yes it's like it's like everyone in america knows in a pejorative way yeah and but i will say i think it calmed down enough to where i could see her on the Jurassic World Dominion trailer and be like

fuck yeah no correct but no it's just that thing that happened to Jennifer Coolidge too and I feel like somebody else Tony Collette a little bit where people

like congratulate themselves for having quote unquote done the homework over the years like oh I remember her from two movies I've always liked her yes yes

not just we do all the time on our respective constantly us more than you guys probably but like this is us being like kirsten dunst we deserve the credit we're not saying that but it's like we've been doing we've been we're probably just like echoing something that like a lot of people i don't know i don't know but there needs to be that conversation yes for these things to happen and so like i think think in a way I'm not mad at it. No,

no, no, I'm not mad at it. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's,

it gets done. And of course in this, in this culture, you don't want to be the sixth person to say something. I just think we have this gay people might have this post coital, um, post nut guilt, shame around like a shared thought.

Oh, well a bunch of people think the same way I do about this thing. And so therefore it must be a bad thought. But meanwhile, but meanwhile think the same way i do about this thing and so therefore it must be a bad thought but meanwhile but meanwhile it's like it's like at the on this i do know exactly what you mean and i feel this way as well but also it's like objectively renata is fucking incredible yeah you know what i mean like objectively like i said thank you and like i will not not be rich and her fucking saying that and i don't think she wins the oscar for marriage story without that performance i think it's akin to right katherine heigl doing

what she did in the finale of season two of gray's anatomy and then getting knocked up which is why she wins for season three of gray's anatomy i think it just feels at a certain point like it's time yeah and i wish that there felt like there was that immediacy around Kirsten this year, because it feels like what's going to happen is Ariana DeBose is going to win, who I think is phenomenal in the movie, but I don't need her to have an Oscar. Right, right, right. And in fact, it almost might be better if she didn't win an Oscar so that there was some suspense about where her next move would take. Right. I just want to wrap up that conversation about laura dern the thing that is annoying about it is the people who tweet certain people who tweet about her pretend like they aren't privy to the conversation like they just came up with it yeah yeah i don't know what

it is about laura dern but i just love her you don't say i've read that 50 fucking times you're pretending not to be a part of the conversation while starting a conversation yeah yes yes now i'm angry now i can see it it rose i will say how do you feel if you're bright my favorite topic on this podcast is of course bryce dallas howard wait and how do you feel usc's own bryce dallas yeah my thing with and nyu my my thing with bryce dallas is you would never be like, first choice, like, we're going Bryce Dallas. But when she's there, I always have fun. She's always making a choice.

She's always going for it. How do you feel if you're Bryce Dallas Howard? And you're like, cool, gearing up for the third one. And they're like, we're bringing back Laura Dern. Do you think you're excited or you're like, God damn it, I'm not the iconic one here. Well, in the trailer, it seemed like there were there were

a lot of scenes where like she and laura are trapped in some like which i love i love it i i i bet they had so much fun together i'm obsessed i don't want to i don't want to buy into any sort of like no i want both of them on equal sides of a t-rex they nod at each other and then fucking kill it yeah i want laura dern and bryce Bryce Dallas to fucking kill dinosaurs. That energy is very Neve Campbell and Courtney Cox in The New Scream. It's like you can almost tell they've decided we won't be killed. Yeah. So we're just going to glance at each other as the murders occur and then like get a shank in the knee and kill them or whatever.

Poor David Arquette. Oh. Was this the scream where it's, why are you bringing a gun with you? I'm sydney prescott i always have a gun second amendment sydney prescott said second amendment rights and it's actually rule of culture number 45 sydney prescott said second amendment rights and she should if anyone's gonna say it it should be sydney i mean the woman is constantly under attack by ghost fangs. Being killed. Take this in. It's going to be amazing. New York City. Everyone is a gossip. No one gets out of here alive. Salt Lake City. We don't wear costumes. We wear fashion.

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I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Pur with jay shetty on the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts trust me you won't want to miss this one i think it's actually time and this is crazy um to ask the question oh my god yes i was getting so carried away with this we've never even asked lewis and it feels like he's been on a million times well you know he did do one of the most

iconic troll bowls of all time. Yes, truly one of the best troll bowls. Which was the troll bowl. Which, by the way, I miss in my daily life. I wish more people would just come up to me and like,

you have to talk right now about Vera Farmiga. I'm like, I'm gonna do it. You pulled Chelsea Clinton out of the troll bowl. What was I mean? You were mean, but the...

I didn't know I had it in me for her. Yeah, but that's the thing about I Don't Think So Honey troll bowl. You until you feel until it's coming out of your mouth yeah yeah and i loved the queen of the soft tweet like oh oh yeah she's like responding to like dinesh de souza with thank you for your opinion but it's like what you're not owning him at all and this is stupid yeah and this was peak chelsea clinton twitter 2017 it was that it was around that time.

A few years ago, Vanessa Bayer hosted the Glamour Women of the Year Awards. And one of her jokes was like, she was listing everyone that was being honored. And Chelsea Clinton was one of them. And she was like, Blake Lively, something, something. Chelsea Clinton, we all have one thing in common. None of their moms were president. And so Chelsea Clinton got up later and was like, And Vanessa, just so you know, it's true. their moms were president and so chelsea clinton got up like later and was like oh no and vanessa

just so you know it's true none of our moms were president but one day one of our moms will be and it's like slay chelsea i guess like go off um but anyway the question in hand lewis vertel what was the culture that made you say culture was for you can i give a preamble to the answer and then an answer you can answer it however you want yeah there are no rules etc just vibes whatever um well my oldest pop culture memory is when i was like minutes old and the show i would watch every day and there are pictures of me watching it is you can't believe it wheel of fortune because wheel of fortune to me actually has almost everything i'm interested in.

Which is, first of all, stunning visuals. Yes. Many colors. I was so obsessed with the wheel that I would, in my spare time as a child, take cake circles and draw, with Cran and a protractor, and my mom would help me, I would make Wheel of Fortune wheels. Oh my god. And my younger brother Greg would do it too.

Now, people familiar with the spectrum may understand that there's something about repetitiveness, like wheels spinning. I couldn't stop looking at ceiling fans when I was a kid. Really? So there was something. I was a little bit close to the spectrum. Just like I had some of that. With radial things.

Yes, radial things. And so did my brother Greg. And so there's something transfixing about that. The puzzles routinely like clued you into idioms. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Pop culture. I remember something I used to love about Wheel of Fortune. You would always see the category star and role or husband and wife.

And so you would get the thrilling solve of Eddie Van Halen and Valerie Bertinelli. And so then I would be like, I've got to remember that. Let me, let me dig into that. And then you pay, you start to pair those things.

Yes. Yes, exactly. The synapses start firing and you start building the Wikipedia in your brain. Yes. Yes. Um,

so, and also there's something about a game show where all the sound effects are just in the right place. Like, if you guess wrong, you get this noise. If you guess right, you get this noise. And there's something really calming about that. Yes. So, the calming nature of entertainment, that spoke to me.

But, in terms of really formative pop culture, you know that when you experience a celebrity at just the right time in your life. Like, for example, Jim Carrey came out when I was eight and he's the perfect movie star for an eight year old. Yes, he is. Absolutely. When I was in middle school, that's when I got really into old blockbuster videos of like the best of

Gilda Radner. Are you about to say Jane Curtin or no? I will, I will get to Jane Curtin, but specifically Gilda Radner. There's something about being in middle school where you still have your childlike qualities, but a part of you is almost starting to consciously put those away like you don't want to seem like a little kid and gilda radner to experience her and her like rambunctiousness

and her really like juvenile characters yeah it's like for her to say like keep all of it keep your child by the way it's transcended to be a kid. You know, like just the Judy Miller show when she was the brownie, like doing her own TV show in her room or just the wackiness of the character. It's like... Guild Alive? You Guild Alive?

At the Winter Garden? Yes, with... Let's Talk to the Animals? I picked up that Mike Nichols book to read about Guild Alive. There's a page and a half. Only a page and a half. Mark Harris, you're on my list.

But like, it was so affirming and so like, you know, I don. But like, it was so affirming and so like, you know, I don't have to change at all. You know, I think I've really been on that ever since. Like, no, I'm driven to be this thing. And also, I think it's a little underrated about Gilda Redner that she was that childlike person juxtaposed with these men who honestly wanted to be cool.

Her whole thing was never wanting to be cool. You know, like Chevy Chase wanted you to find him like a sexy prick yeah yeah and i like i love um uh bill murray as a comic but like his was like always underlined with cynicism yes you know she always wanted you to feel like i can't even begin on that yeah yeah yeah but uh no i i like i hated that energy and so for her to offset that and a part of me almost thinks like it shouldn't be this important to me that a woman was lovable on a cast. No, but you know, but it was so awesome. Necessary in that group of people. Yeah.

Between Jane and Lorraine. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you I think you probably have a better, I don't know, understanding of like those dynamics than I do, honestly. And like, I don't know. I don't know why I say that, but I think this is one of my favorite answers. Well, we've never even discussed Gilda on the show.

No, it's so crazy that we haven't. And the fact is, she is a paradigm because in her footsteps comes all the legendary women of SNL. You would never not bring her up if you're one of these people. And I almost feel like they feel burdened to talk about her because she's a woman but she is also fabulous so she's

absolutely amazing and the thing too is like what one thing i i find is and we've discussed this sometimes but there is such a unlocking of when you have fun everyone has fun and that's a disciple that i think um amy poehler follows and so many of the women snl certainly maya and i think that is coming from a like almost like a it's like a spiritual thing that is gilda because when you say that she had her she had her youthful energy but also very very very um adult struggles yeah you know what i mean like you have to imagine that that um saved her in a way you know what i mean like she had a difficult life and an adulthood and i think that that inner child is something that um probably was a day-to-day salve for her and like

certainly translates in her work because what she was giving you which the rest of the cast like at the time maybe wasn't was the sense of fun yeah and the following of the fun which is so important in comedy and especially at that job at that job and like you're so right about like the men wanting to be cool and she didn't really give a fuck but she would still go to like studio 54 and yeah you know like she would still like be this like i I don't know, this like effervescent person. And oh my God. She carried the light. One of the best memoir titles, I think.

Oh, it's always something. It's always something. What a great title. I just reread that book recently. And obviously there are moments of levity and that's sort of the thing that led to Gilda's Club and like, you know, having fun during a really difficult life moment. That book is basically a horror story. It's so sad. Because it's literally doctor after doctor getting her diagnosis wrong or playing down how bad it is.

And it's really, really tough to read, even though you really remember her point of view throughout it. You remember, like, God, she really was fucking obsessed with Gene Wilder. And that really, like, propelled her through a lot of that. But it's an invaluable book for that reason. There's, I think it's either in the book or it's in something else where it's like she's like, she's writing about what she wants her tombstone to say.

Or she's like, bury me with a TV and have my tombstone say, here lies Gilda Radner. She had a great time or something. And I'm like, oh my, did you see Love, Gilda, that documentary that they did on Amazon? Yes, I did a couple years ago. So good. Just so good.

And, ugh, I can't believe we haven't talked about her on this. Well, you know, I think it's one of those things that's just kind of generational. I know, the name is a little bit lost to time. It certainly is. And I mean, it's very similar to Lucy, actually. Because, you know, I think we were that last generation of people who were watching nick and knight and

the isle of lucy show was on it's weird to think of like kids now not having that understanding of where sitcom came from and where female driven comedy like really came from in terms of like mainstream television but with gilda i think that her spirit so lives on in the women that followed her that at least that you know what i mean like i i would imagine that it's certainly emotional for any like female cast member that goes through snl to see her picture on the wall she also by the way was way, was kind of a Whitney Houston situation where like America the country was led to believe she was sort of getting better. She made like a triumphant return

to the Gary Shandling show and stuff. So I wonder if there's additional feelings attached to, oh my god, she up and died, you know. The final days were like, I think like it was like Bill Murray would like go and visit her

or like it was like a lot of like those SNL people visited her in the hospital and like she just was just just kind of like so frail

and just like sagged in their arms and it was like this is Gilda Radner who was like life jumping all over the fucking place

you know it's also it's so it's so sad and frustrating when you realize that someone was taken by something that maybe 20 or 30 years later could have been dealt with a little bit yeah or much better you know what i mean it's just one of those things and like her legacy obviously literally lives on and so many people that followed her but i it is good to keep the name

like alive because you know it's just there was no one like her yeah i mean she opened that door like shit like when you talk about it like truly someone who influenced so many and then by the same token you speak about jane like a completely different energy at the show at the same time and by the way is like my hero i should emphasize that i as an adult feel like i have become more of a jane curtain i've seen you like a jane curtain t-shirt oh yeah that's me. And I've heard, I think Tina Fey even said, you realize after a certain time that you're not a Gilda, you're a Jane.

And like, there's even something about the way she read the news during Weekend Update where it was about hard punchlines. Like, I'm not reacting emotionally to this. I'm not looking at the guy to my left. Where she plays it so straight that I feel like in a way she was the most influential of the early people to do it

because like people don't do it like Chevy Chase now or even Bill Murray, you know, there's like the hard sell of the line and the eye roll that accompanies it I feel like is very Tina Fey, you know?

Uh-huh, uh-huh. Where it was like the Chevy Chases gave way to like the Lettermans in terms of this like, oh, I'm a male comedian and so I the lettermans in terms of this, in terms of this, like, Oh, I'm a male comedian. And so I will be a little bit of a,

just a little bit of an asshole above it all, above it all in a way that's fun. And like the audience kind of responds to and laughs at, but with, but Jane did kind of set this precedent of like, um, someone who's just like not put upon, but someone who's just like,

just trying to get through it. And like, I don't know and like honestly in a way that like maybe like I would say Che has a little bit of Jane weirdly Wow Che's kind of like yeah you know that's actually similar

they are similar in that way just like reading the news and being like okay like yeah here we go like Che like Che for all of his like online behavior like has this very like he wouldn't mind me saying this like he has this very like um uh uh calculated troll persona that he loves but on the show it's like except for when he's like you know shitting on call and it's like and if he's reading just like a headline and a setup at a punchline he's just kind of like okay here we go yeah you know the weariness is there he doesn't give it much which which i think is kind of jane jane which the eye roll is sort of like whatever

you know right and like um yeah have you met jane ever no one time well i was wearing my jane curtain shirt i was at a trader joe's in los angeles and i get to the counter and the guy goes you just missed her she was just here i was like i i mean that's like joker origin story like my brain went 50 directions anyway she seems wonderful and she also by the way is a uh celebrity jeopardy legend she made she made it to the end of a giant tournament and lost in the end to michael mckean who's also oh wow yeah but she's like a trivia girl which i love and she in fact was on a game show in the six late 60s or 70s that i forget the name of but i was like wow and you're a game show

girl yes louis yeah you didn't win jeopardy that's the one game show i lost unfortunately yeah but so going back to wheel of fortune is that i don't know this it's hard i don't what am i asking like was that paired with jeopardy over time like you would just watch both shows in the same setting and also something that was uh seminal was that you could play home versions of wheel of fortune jeopardy that my parents had so that's how i learned to like type on the computer what i mean you can see it all coming together the wikipedia biopic is like writing itself um and uh you know and like that's how I started accruing knowledge, whatever. And I just want to say about Pat Sajak, too.

While his politics disappoint me, he is incredibly underrated on that show. He's a very good host. The amount of rules he has to get through. And then he conveys them in a different way every time with like a joke. Again, I just brought up Bill Murray. I watched Groundhog Day recently. Pat Sajak's style is not different than Bill Murray, who is giving you like,

who is giving you like a, a soft cynicism, but he underlines it with a smile to keep the game going. And I find it so reliably good. It's just the way he, when someone is like, D, it's not D.

Yes. I know the way, nope. No D. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like that kind of thing, where it's just deep yes I know the way nope no deep you know what I'm saying like it's like that kind of thing where it's just like

well you're fucked up there okay moving on it is there is something caustic about it I guess and it's just it's

the tone is is wonderful but also of course there's an awkward distal wheel of fortune where you could have one letter left and still not know

the puzzle and maybe my favorite thing maybe everybody else in America knows the puzzle. It's extremely stressful. I like to solve birds of a weather. Oh. No, that's not.

But imagine you responding to that. Okay, it's me. I'm a contestant. You're Pat's agent. Birds of a weather. What? If I were Pat. Oh, well. No would that would be my authentic response of the host title of that birds of a weather what honestly i can't i love that super on youtube oh they're so funny it's unbearable i cannot sit through it because by

the way as somebody pointed out to me, I think it was my friend David Clark, he said, actually, Wheel of Fortune is the more brainier game than Jeopardy. Because if you get a question on Jeopardy, it's like call and response. You know it immediately or you don't. For Wheel of Fortune, you have the responsibility

of solving something in front of America. You have to use your brain to do it. And even though it's like a meager task really it can still not occur right yeah and then what the stakes are super high because of how menial it seems yes you know it's and meanwhile jeopardy it's like i genuinely feel and i went on who wants to be a millionaire because i said the same thing and how much did you win a millionaire 30 grand okay i won five and i got to 20 and then did something stupid and got knocked down but i honestly felt like who wants to be a millionaire

what you know did you do it in vegas yes so they put so much bullshit on it and it's just you and it's so dramatic and there's so much and the words are so big and it feels so high stakes on you that i almost feel like despite the fact that the level of difficulty is not jeopardy that it feels more high stakes than my heart pressure because it is on you you are the star of that episode meanwhile jeopardy it's like when you're with three and then the host and it's more fast moving you almost have more clarity and like in terms of when you're gonna three and then the host and it's more fast moving, you almost have more clarity. And like, in terms of when you're going to buzz in,

what the answer is. And I feel like watching jeopardy more like allows you to be better at the game. Whereas millionaire is kind of just like, it is not what it seems like. Oh, also the deal with millionaire is you can't pass up a question if you don't know it.

You can do that all the time. Yes. But I think this is what's, this is what's interesting about what Lewis said about Wheel of Fortune where it's like the cues, the sounds are placed just right. And I think like the aural slash sonic

landscaping of a game show is so important. Absolutely. Wheel of Fortune just kind of feels, the stakes don't seem that high because the sounds are like bing bing bing. It feels like kind of frivolous and fun jeopardy it's like mostly silent right and then millionaire is fucking like it's scored and you feel like it's the most the audience is watching you think yes yes so if you don't know it

immediately you have to sort through it and then speak through it and then also if you're me or matt you obviously feel somewhat obligated to give entertainment sure and it's it's so yes it's theater but this is what i mean sudi and i so i brought sudi as my plus one and we had like essentially a comedy bit yeah when i brought her up and i was like see now did i get something out of this because that went well or because we got the question right like but ultimately it is and what i would say to everyone at home that's watching millionaire like that is not something they put in later like they are scoring it while you're there like right right oh and you're like um i cannot think like and i remember like there were certain questions that i was always going to get right like i got a viola davis question i remember that yes and so that one was fine but then there were other ones

where the one that i got out on was a question about... The spelling of Ebenezer's group. Don't worry, I remember. Oh my God. The spelling of Ebenezer. I remember, yes. And I don't think I would have ever gotten it wrong, except in that situation. And you're saying that they did score it in that moment, or they didn't? They did.

They did. And yes, and see, that fucks with you. I definitely know that ebenezer is spelled e-b-e-n-e-z-e-r well but in the moment it's easy to second guess when you see four spellings yes yes and i thought for a second because because the question was phrased like what is the correct spelling of the protagonist's name of charles dickens's um a christmas carol and i thought maybe they'll give four different names no they gave four different spellings of ebenezer and i was like fuck and at that point they have kept you there all day the coffee

situation was bleak like they tire you out all you're watching in the dressing room is jeff is is um who wants to be a millionaire so the last thing you want to do when you go out there is play that fucking game everyone's watching the scoring. Your brain is not your brain at home. Yeah, yeah. I think you've been kept from your phone and materials that you could study with. You can't have a book. You can't have anything that gives you any information, essentially.

But the sound design of these shows, I take for granted. Yeah. Unfortunately. Yeah. I mean, Jeopardy is like, even like the do-do-do. It's like, it's like,

it's, and of course, the iconic final song. Which, the greatest bop in history. Which is like, why Merv Griffin had all the money he had. It's just that song alone.

But I guess, but is your, do you think Wheel of Fortune, are we saying that Wheel of Fortune tricks the contestant into this ease that then sets them up for total humiliation? Potentially, yeah.

Well, I would compare it to Family Feud in that the question is not difficult. So if you get it right, you feel merely relieved. As opposed to if you miss it, you feel devastated and so stupid. And the people at home really are like fuck that fucking idiot yeah yeah yeah right and by the way if you want a family feud i guarantee you're not coming up with every answer no you know oh no i would suck at family feud i think that family feud it it will be just one of those things where i think i'd be good at the last part yeah yeah just like the the call and response it's like improv yeah you're but you you want to be closer to steve because you want to be the one that goes first right and not be the person that's

like or what are things that a wife might say to a husband and you're like you need to eat my pussy and it's just like what and then it's like you give it to him but like it's not right like you know what i mean yeah but you don't want to be last on the end like i think that's what families make the mistake of yeah they put the flops on the end yeah the black shapes of the family are on the end meanwhile that's where the points are made yeah cousin marissa is on the end she's not really in our family but we needed an extra spot what do you think and then it's just like uh i don't know but you know what are our thoughts on steve harvey as host I do think I mean he's good at what he does

I think he's a great speaking voice I think so too but I will say this he really will just do the sorry what's the thing called when you

corpse or like when you look at the camera yes yes when people say anything he's not even paying attention

he's corpsing sort of in a way that is like he's also not he's also an actual literal corpsing that he's weak and a burden, he's burniesing it like every episode. He's just gonna like.

Because he knows it works. I'm sure you can film like eight episodes of that in a day too. Oh, sure. Yeah. Honestly. I find him very captivating as a host. I love it.

But I came up on Louis Anderson for Family Feud. Right. Who was awesome. A great Family Feud host and not enough people talk about his time on that show. You know,

on the show I'm on now, the makeup artist worked on Baskets and they say he was the nicest guy. Like, just like such a sweet guy. I'm like,

what a loss. I think also, I believe Casey Wilson had a comment about him recently where she said that she was at an event with him and she complimented him on baskets and he turned to her and he said you know i'm playing my mother and it's a tribute to her and she was like oh well i lost my mother and he said

to her um oh my god what was her name and she said her name and he looked to the sky and said hello the name thank you and like there was tears in his eyes and then he walked away apparently he was just like a beautiful soul who like really like was giving that performance for his mom so much you know like and no ego or like thought about like the fact that he was like you know dressing up as a woman to play it just like genuinely playing no you could tell that the like emmy gauntlet of it all was bewildering to him and he was just happy to have gotten there yeah yeah he was very he was very veryering to him and he was just happy to have gotten there yeah yeah he was very he was very very very special and then he was replaced on family feud with richard karn who seems like a nice guy and was so bad on the show and then i feel like maybe that like washed

away the memory of louis anderson yeah and then steve harvey hosted and it became the most popular it's ever been which by the way is a crazy feat for a show that debuted in the 1970s yeah for sure what is this new show that Rue is hosting? Lingo. Lingo. So that is basically Wordle, but it's a game show that it's had several iterations. The one I'm most familiar with was the game show network version

in the 2000s hosted by Chuck Woolery, former Wheel of Fortune host. It was originally hosted by Ronald Reagan's son, Michael Reagan. Okay. Very strange. But yeah, you're figuring out what a five letter word is. You're given the first

letter. You call out a five-letter word and then they tell you what letters are in the right place, what ones aren't, and you have a couple of chances to figure out what it is. Okay, so yeah, great. I feel like it's been time for Ru to host a show like that. Yes, yes. I actually enjoyed Gay for Pay.

I liked Gay for Play. I didn't watch it, but I heard it was fun it was it was really fun it was sort of like a fucking fag version of like you know like what's like match game yeah yeah yeah but yeah like it was fun and like i feel like rue is so invigorated by that shit yeah like you know what i mean he feels like like the same type of passion and real love for that art form oh no rue came and hosted jimmy kimmel live yeah and the head writers on my show were like well queen here's your time and like push me at him and i got to write a couple of sketches for him i mean i have to say it was gratifying to feel like a kindred spirit with him yes just like any fucking reference would come up and i'm like

yes you are this person like there are lots of i had lots of ideas about what he could be and what he was was very um encouraging yeah yeah i maybe told you this one time i went into his dressing room i forget why and he had a computer open and he's just watching old episodes of charlie's angels yeah this turns me he goes he goes those girls really add chemistry i was like i agree you know he really is like he's like he is just like a classic fag you know that's the thing you know who else is one I just want to give him credit cola scola is a classic oh my god I haven't talked to him in forever but every once in a while he lismeshed me with Lewis have you seen this Gloria Swanson interview and I'm like I have a tear in my eye already thank you we were at this party like last week all three of us were like I remember

I think it was like Joel's boyfriend talking about happy orange talking about happy orange I was like oh my god yeah like it's like this is just a thing that like all queers have gathered around

their televisions and watched when I found that out I lost it I lost it it's so so brilliant I mean there's nothing I mean

and like I'm I'm on this I'm on this project now where like I'm working with these two people who like love of different generations who are obsessed with him. Yeah, that happens a lot. No, that Amy Sedaris would be cued into him.

Thank you, God. Yeah. Thank you, God. But it's not even Amy. It's, like, all these people who are, like, who have no, who do not care what our generation does except for people like Cole. Yeah, great. And I'm like, yep, deserves it. Genuinely. I mean, like, yep, deserves it. Genuinely.

I mean, I always say, my goddamn hero. So, truly, another class. But, as Cloris Leachman

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I Don't Think So Honey Everybody at Home. And this is the one-minute segment that we do routinely. In fact, every single time on this podcast where we take one minute to rail and rant and rave against something in pop culture that I think we need to say sucks. Yes, we must. And traditionally, I go first, and I do have a topic okay um let me tell the clock this is matt rogers i don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so any football i don't get it and i should my father was an awarded defensive coordinator for almost 40 years in lindenhurst high school and i and i was nicknamed by the cheerleaders little rogers i

had a jersey and everything. Don't fucking get it. Here are the things I understand. First down, I guess. Yes, I get getting it past the line, and now we get to keep going. What the fuck are the X's and O's on the play boards? And I always feel like the fact, I don't think so many straight men know how to figure this out, and I don't.

They can go in a locker room, look up on a whiteboard, there's X's and O's, and they get it. Why don't I? The plays, they're going this way, that way. I don't understand how it all works. I don't understand when you decide to kick the ball through the goddamn field goal, and when you run it. I would always run it. It's more points.

I feel like, what is the deal with football? Also, the culture of football, you know all their brains are mush from Collision, Collision, Collision. We all saw the Will Smith movie. Just kidding. We didn't. What was that called? Collateral? Concussion. Confess Concussion.

But all I'm saying is I don't think so, honey. Football. And that's one minute. You know? Thank you. Yes. Don't you think there should be an Onion article about what puppies have sustained during the Puppy Bowl?

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We need to understand what kind of Will Smith nonsense they're all up to. Right. Like, the football of it all i just think that it's one of those things that as a civilization if we were to zoom out we'd look at it and be like not that yeah like when aliens come they're gonna be like you guys do what like it's the only gladiator type thing about this where i'm like this is not right like it's so many things had

to align for football to be like had to happen in a sequential order for football to be this big. Like, something... There was a glitch in the matrix. Yeah. Otherwise, we would be a soccer country. Yeah. Or, you know my problem with teen sports in general, outside of volleyball, which I think

should be more popular, is that because they're wearing helmets, I can't see the personal stakes in their eyes. Right. So, like, you know, like, the moments you get in tennis where it's like, oh, here comes whatever. Arantxa Sanchez-Vic vicario and she's thinking about something and it's and it's angsty and she had a bad day like that doesn't factor into what i get from football so there's no character study yeah we needed more who wants to be a millionaire vibe where we all

are watching one person go through it yeah and i feel like that to me makes me root for people like for example figure skating it's all the rage right now it being the olympics and when i'm watching it i'm so stressed out in a good way that i think as a fan is positive where i'm watching nathan chen and i know what he's doing is so difficult and when i see him kill it and then his little face lights up after it i'm just like god this is so just like a game show just like a game show and i just feel like know, with the football of it all, it's like I'm zooming out and I don't get like what it is. And I feel like maybe like chemically it's just not for me, obviously. Yeah. Because so many millions of people enjoy it.

But it's something that I never could penetrate. And what I always thought was interesting is my dad was a football coach his entire life, played football, whatever. Never, ever, ever put a football in my hands in the backyard never wanted to do that and i said to him like a couple years ago i was like hey like but baseball was a completely different thing i played baseball all through high school um but he never ever ever pushed football on me and i asked him i was like why he was like well you never showed any interest in it i'm like i never showed any interest in baseball but you encouraged it and he sat there and he actually admitted he said you know i think that i don't think the kids need to be playing it and i was like do you acknowledge oh wow that it fucks with people in terms of their health and well-being. He was like, I guess maybe I do.

And so it's interesting to see someone from that boomer generation literally say, I could coach kids doing it if they opted into it, but not my kid. That's okay. And you have said this to me before. And that is very interesting. I don't really know. I have nothing to add. I feel the same disconnect from the sport, it's like i i want to like what people like like i'm

not here to like resist popular things it's like i feel constantly illiterate about it it makes me feel bad i just don't get it well and that's the thing is it's like when they really get like when there's a flag on the play and like things stop i'm like why i know i'm someone who understands shit and then there is that little trigger sometimes it's not cute to look at though by the way again where are the fun visuals right right there is that thing when you're growing up queer though when you don't understand something and you assume oh it's because i'm stupid and yeah i feel that way at movies sometimes like oh i'm not following all the time yeah all the time you feel that way? Yes. You know who else said that?

Chris Schleicher. And it's like, we literally sit here and talk about fucking Norma Shearer all day. We are obsessed with movies. We're born to do it. I was gonna, if I closed my eyes

outside of this room and thought about someone who understands film better than anybody, it would be like, the two of you, but specifically like you and Chris and Schleicher.

I'm like, these are two like very, but this is the relatable king. Well, I'll say it. Sometimes I'm watching Marvel movies. I'm like, these are two very, but this is the relatable king. Well, I'll say it. Sometimes I'm watching Marvel movies and I'm more confused

than a complicated drama. I'm like, I'm watching, when we walked out of, we walked out of Guardians. We watched out of the first Guardians. The first Guardians.

We watched, I think, more than half of it and I turned to you and I said, what the hell is going on? Are we still doing this? And we walked the fuck out. I was like,

I didn't get it. Not even Glenn Close herself can keep me in this seat. Mama. And the 31 seconds of airtime yes well you know she's the lead of the ride oh that's so she is she's playing the dignity of learning this news she's like she was in the she was in the they released like a commercial for the ride which is coming out this summer and she's like hi i'm optima clark and we Clark and we're gonna ride the bagoon to the moon and it's gonna be you and I and Epcot this summer. See you there

and bring your ponflunes. And it's like, I don't understand what the fuck what is the vocabulary? No, I will never forgive people for telling me to see Thor Ragnarok because Cate Blanchett was in it. Girlfriend, they could have cut her out of that. It was not good. I don't care about her in Antlers.

No. Yeah. What was her name? Velka or something? Yeah, sure. That's what her name is in the Dragon movie. Oh, okay. How to Train Your Dragon. What the fuck was her name? It doesn't matter. Helga something. It's a female offshoot. Anyway. Yeah, you're right. It wasn't even that fun for her. Hela? Hela.

It wasn't even that fun. It should have been. It should have been, like, the Halloween costume for fags, and yet, like, it didn't catch on. But I will say, like, I'm in support of, like, A-list actresses who are better than it coming in for one. Like, I'm in support of that. But then how do you feel, like, about Natalie Portman coming in for this next Thor movie,

kind of leading the whole thing? Because who else's Vanity Fair career timeline video I'm obsessed with is Natalie's. Both of them, I think, are like very close peers. And I'm not saying anything new, but it's like, I just really think that they, from starting out as child actors

to becoming Prestige-y, Natalie, I guess, outpacing Kirsten a bit just earlier. In terms of the accolades. Right, right. And fervor for her i think i think people yeah yeah can have long considered themselves natalie portman stands right right right um i always feel though like um the thor mcu movies are because they're taika

they're a little bit more since the last one yeah and they're a little bit more they let the actors have fun a little bit more and they're a little bit more off kilter and offbeat and funnier and so i think she is creatively involved so i'm sure she'll make it fun for her but when i see her in like your highness right oh yeah this is which was her post-oscar movie wasn't it they must have been filmed before had the feeling of film before the oscar yeah for sure and then no strings attached coming out at the same time as black swan and everyone being like is this going to hurt her? You know, that whole thing. I just watched Black Swan again. It's so good.

It is really entertaining. I do think it's about nothing, though, and I don't know that I love it as a win. I love it. I think it's about a lot. It should be called Woman is Upset. I mean, we are famously Natalie and Mila. Bowen's Natalie and I'm Mila.

And I love it. Chris Leiker and I call ourselves Rinko and Adriana. Oh my God. are famously natalie and mila we're now it's natalie and i'm mila and i love it chris leiker and i call ourselves rinko and adriana after the ladies and babble who's rinko who's adriana i think i'm rinko yes you gave off rinko thank you absolutely yes i can see chris sort of running through the desert in that first scene yeah as adriana yeah talk about two people who got nominations and then like what rinko kaccucci. Yeah. Bring her back. Didn't she do one thing? What did Ringo Caccucci do since Babel?

No. I don't know. I don't know. Bring her back. Yeah. That movie got two supporting actress nominations. Yeah. That was, yeah.

Anyways. Bowen Yang. It might be time for your Out of Things, honey, if you would like to go. I would love to. And that is an answer I like. So this is Bowen Yang, one of the most iconic men in Hollywood. One of the most iconic. Wow. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah, I'll love to. And that is an answer I like. So this is Bowen Yang, one of the most iconic men in Hollywood. One of the most iconic. Wow. Yeah, I'll take it.

Sexiest man alive. Yes. Powerful butthole. Oh. I found it weak. Go ahead. Yeah, but Lewis didn't like it. I say one of the most powerful assholes in Hollywood.

Physically. Yes. And this is where Adam thinks the funniest time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Hotel trash cans, please be bigger. Yes. And this is where I don't think so honey, it's time to start now. I don't think so honey, hotel trash cans, please be bigger. I'm begging you. I need you to hold more.

You need to be a vessel and you are giving me a little cup holder scale. Give us the depth that we require of you because otherwise you're setting us up for true like slovenly. I think it really does. I never feel more slovenly. I think it really does.

I never feel more slovenly than I do in a hotel room. Not because of anything else besides the trash spilling out, the overflow. There's no way to make that look good, to organize it. And then especially in the post-COVID world, in a COVID world, I should say, where some hotels are only doing every other day housekeeping, which I respect. That's fine. I don't think it really, I think we, this is one of those things that needs to die as we learn to live. say where some hotels are only doing every other day housekeeping which i respect that's fine i don't think it really i think we this is one of those things that needs to die as we learn to live with the virus quote unquote but bigger trash cans it's been it's we've been needing them since the

beginning of time bigger hotel trash cans i am living in my own filth right now and i know i'm not this person please please please be bigger i beg beg you. And that's minute. Be, they say be better. No, be bigger. Yeah. Thank you for pulling that because it's something that I always think and never, never make an issue out of. They're so small. Too small.

And do you know what happens? You know, you're at a hotel, you walk down the street and there's a 7-Eleven, you get like a Gatorade or something and then you come back and throw it out. Guess what? Half the garbage can is a Gatorade bottle now. And you feel like you're that person. Yeah. I guess I'm the person who drinks Gatorade all the time. I'm Gatorade girl.

Now I'm Gatorade girl? I paid for this nice hotel and I'm Gatorade girl? I don't not care what the housekeepers think. There is something, especially if it's, let's say you're at a nice hotel, and not that there's anything classed about having Gatorade or drinking Gatorade but something about a Gatorade being in a fancy hotel trash can doesn't really now I'm not getting my money's worth

even though I did it I just and I'll say again I don't want the housekeepers thinking I'm garbage that I'm Gatorade girl I don't want them to think I'm Gatorade girl law of averages they're seeing so much shit in the day-to-day basis they're like hardened professionals they can't possibly see your gum or whatever and think what allows yeah but sometimes though okay i'll be

vulnerable sometimes there's calm there's calm in the thing i worry about cum and i worry about sometimes like and this is not a big deal but like piss in the toilet i don't want anyone coming in and seeing my piss like i have this thing i have like an anti-kink about piss in the toilet bowl being left there oh sure i understand it's like yellow let it mellow like save water etc the dolphins the oceans the whales i just feel like my thing is just like i don't like to see it yeah right it's not appetizing no it's horrible it's horrible not appetizing you're like a scientist you have all the terms for sure yeah that's what everyone says you know this podcast hasn't been cited in academic work oh has it for our insight into the entertainment industry oh god that's too bad i couldn't i couldn't believe it like

i went i stumbled upon the wikipedia and was like the podcast has been cited in academic work and i was like i clicked those sites and i was like where the fuck is this like lo and behold it was like it was something we had said about like how it's hard to get queer art made okay and it said rogers and yang oh my god no no no see i thought the work was gonna the academic work was gonna be like some like fucking thesis on like gay histrionic behavior or like two people yeah like it was on drug use in the community and it was about every episode we released in june of last year yes. No, but anyway, yeah. No, the housekeeping of it all, I'm conscious of it, and the trash cans are little, and it's a stack deck.

It's a stack deck. Literally, it's overflowing, and the deal is you need a bigger garbage can, and it just needs to be put somewhere that you don't see it. Thank you. How well are you keeping your apartment these days? You know, that's like one of the things I am worst at. I have no organizational qualities whatsoever. My mom is always like, I should come sometime so I can clean it.

It's pathetic. I just don't have the jobs. You should get someone to come clean it. Yeah, I know. It's not hard. I should probably just do that. I don't do it either. I've become better at like, honestly, this is such a cliche,

but if I'm having someone over to hook up, then I magically gain the ability to clean. You just need some steady motivation to like, I don't know, every two weeks do a deep clean. Yeah. I guess that schedule a hookup every two weeks. That can help.

Great. Yeah. Honestly, especially now that you're in the hotel, clean up, like get to, no, I,

there's something about this hotel that I'm staying at. It's not sexy. Burbank. It was so deeply unsexy. And's i will i don't want to i have i'm in no mood to bring people over but it's okay there's also some the problem with burbank is also the definitive pop culture memory is they would always say that's what this night show with jay leno was right yes i think of that every time i'm there and it's been 13 years since i've lived in la i've not shed it yet like i only recently shed Santa Monica Boulevard not thinking of the Sheryl Crow song.

Santa Monica I have not shed Santa Monica. I think of private practice still. Just think of Santa Monica as a place I think private practice. You know what song I listened to the other day? Everything's gonna be all right.

Rockabye. Rockabye. Sean Mullins? Yeah, Sean Mullins. And it's all about being in LA. She grew up in the city of the stars. In the Hollywood hills in the middle of hard. Her parents threw big parties.

It's literally like a bad Jack Nicholson impression. Yeah, it literally is wow okay so lewis vertel this is really the first planned i don't think so honey you've done i know pop the hell off about chelsea c i feel like this isn't really my art form but we'll see how i do i think it's not ours that's for sure we almost never know what we're doing until seconds before and that's beautiful and this a moment in time is lewis vertel's i don't think so honeywis vertels i don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so honey starring jessica alba about the price of razor blades oh honey you want to ruin you want to ruin a trip to target take a look at the gillette three

section walk on in also let me just say i know i sound like walter mathau complaining about the price of things right now but there's something about going to target where i'm getting my berries bananas my 5.99 copy of airplane or whatever i need at target and then here comes the here comes like seasonal depression setting in as i walk in and need to cut hair off my face yeah and then you go to the the razor section there's what 16 of them in a package and they cost 54 let me just say something about god you ever go and like buy a set of knives and they're like 19 check me if i'm wrong knives are larger razor blades, correct? It makes no sense.

And then when you get the razor blades, you need someone from Target to get them off the thing for you. So they come and bring the jaws of life or whatever to get them off the shelf. And you can tell they're thinking under their breath, this is the worst deal in the store. And you have to sit there and buy them. And you spent $88 because you just want your neck to look fine. I mean, and that's what I mean. Your neck looks great. Your neck looks amazing, first of all, sweetie.

I'm wearing a level of cover-up. I'm like Greta Garbo. The amount of cover-up on my neck. Well, first of all, there has to be a discussion about what needs the jaws of life in a convenience store and what doesn't. Yes. Like, why? It's like a string of thefts regarding... It's Crest Life Strips. It's like a string of thefts regarding Cressley's strips.

It's whatever fits onto, like, the little sticks, the thing that has the cutout that looks like a coat hanger. It's whatever can fit

onto that, because that's the most easily shoplifted thing, I guess. I don't know, this is my, like, really terrible, like, my possible

hang them and hide them. Yes. The thing is, like, but, yes, but I totally agree with you. Yeah, I'm i hate the alternatives of like dollar shave club it's like girl well that's too little no no no no see that that you know you're buying dull knives yeah like you know you're buying a bloody face like if if you go in there and do that and honestly i don't know how are you guys sensitive yeah and so like it actually really matters that you have good

good like shaving material but the thing is like it really is expensive yeah like it's like when you say 54 you don't lie and also those crisp white chips are expensive too and they're behind the book they're behind the glass there you go yeah do you i'm sorry not to be a full east coaster do you do people get seasonal depression here? I guess it's possible. I mean, I don't have depression period. No, I'm sorry,

but you meant seasonal affective. Did you say seasonal affective disorder? Oh yeah. I'm sure there's a version of it. Absolutely. Of course there is. And I, this is so stupid to,

I just, I literally am here and I'm like, that feels like June. I'm so much happier than I would be right now if I were in New York. Oh, I mean, a hundred percent. When I tell people and I live here,

I'm relieved to live here. Yeah. That's what it's about. No, it's just so much easier. That's my only, that's where I'm coming from in terms of asking that question. I feel sad that you have to live

in New York for an extended period of time. I feel kind of, especially after this, something about this day, maybe it's because I'm reading Eve Babbitt. Maybe it's because I'm like, I'm like hanging out with people I like. I'm just like,

oh, I like it here and I kind of prefer this over. It's just like life got immeasurably easier here. it's not even just the weather which is a huge part of it but it's also like um the idea that you actually can relax like I remember when I was living in New York if I didn't have like four or five things on my calendar in a day I'd feel like it was a failure now if I do one thing or two things maybe I feel like it was a successful day because the work life balance actually just allows itself to take place here in Los Angeles or probably anywhere besides New York

because I'm very susceptible to FOMO oh my god am I susceptible to FOMO it's like the shame of my life I might go to this damn party tonight that I don't really want to go to but I guess I'm like I got nothing else to do and the only reason I'm go to this damn party tonight that I don't really want to go to but I guess I'm like I got nothing else to do. And the only reason I'm going to feel okay with not going

is because I know I'd be miserable tomorrow if I did. Yes, yes, yes. But it's like usually like if I know that a bunch of people are gathered somewhere

and I'm not there it does like chat my ass. I don't know. Yeah, same. And I know I won't have that much fun but I might go. I mean

you can make a choice. Mine is specifically about like sexualized gay events which is crazy because there is no more renewable resource on earth than gay sex you couldn't you can't possibly be missing out there's some over there yes there's some over there but there's something about like where were we at last week and what was that thing called pegasus pegasus it's like when if you didn't go, you'd feel crazy. And then you go, and you feel insane. I'm like, I shouldn't be here. Bags of meat flopping around.

And I'm just like, this is the craziest shit ever. I wrote that song, so I'm really offended that you characterized it that way. Well, I'm so sorry about that you didn't get the nomination. Diane Warren again, sneak through. Beyonce beat you. Sorry. I was so sad that Beyonce had to campaign zero and got the nom, and Gaga had to campaign

a million and did it. But she is an Oscar winner. She's an Oscar winner. Which I think also factors into it. That's right. That's right. She's on multiple, she's had three nominations. Two.

Yes, yes, yes. No, because still it happens to you. Oh, you're right. I can't believe I just missed that. And I'm saying, like, this, House of Gucci would have been her fourth Oscar nomination. Right, right, right, right. And you, the, the the the i feel like idea that's out there is that lady gaga is brand new to movies you know what i mean it's like it

still feels that way like she's like it's an imposter here no you're not it's a it's a share narrative and like it kind of kind of fits neatly into that but i think like period point blank she's one of the most bankable yes yes now that she's had two hits because stories one was a massive hit and house of gucci in the covet era i think it's the highest grossing what they're calling adult drama of the year like she's the only name you can put over a she's one of the only names you can put over a movie and like expect people to show up yeah yeah yeah like that ain't happening with jenn, necessarily. Sure, sure. Though, apparently,

everybody on Earthwatch don't look up. Apparently, I heard it was huge. I have to say, I underestimated the math that made that happen, which is everybody, it's a movie you would want to watch

with your parents over Christmas, actually. Which I literally do. Which is, like, not super offensive. Yeah. Oh, my God, yeah. And I will say,

have we talked about this already? We don't have to get into it. Get into it. The conversation around Don't Look Up led me to believe that it was going to be one of the worst movies I've ever seen in my life. It's fine. Literally, I would say a punch up on the jokes

and then do you know what I would actually get rid of? The Leonardo DiCaprio character. Because it was all about his impotent rage, which was expected. That's the thing we don't want from an Adam McKay movie. Whereas if it was just about the Jennifer Lawrenceent rage which was expected like that's the thing we don't want from an adam mckay movie right whereas if it was just about the jennifer lawrence character i think it would have been a little less hitting you over the head yeah yeah like had it been about timothy's character pop more sorry well when he came in at two hours and 45 minutes into the movie i was like

we can't do this yeah i was like because you know he's gonna require screen time like i can't i'm done yeah that was daunting that was but like had it been about her as a student maybe trying to convince her department and convince like had it been about her singular mission to convince the larger populace that this was something to um you know maybe it would have felt more based in character and less based in like isn't everyone in the world stupid right yeah right because bone set a very really good point which is that was so cynical about the cynicism that just contributed to the cynicism it was like that the satire thing of like if it doesn't have like a clear

object or target then like it just contributes to the the thing that it's trying to like what it was missing was an actual mission of a protagonist and any heart in it right you know what i mean like that futility. And Leo's character was only there as a way to like have these characters access like news media and the president and all this stuff. Like that was the I guess it's the only reason why Leo's character

existed in that movie. Sorry I didn't mean to bring up I mean listen I actually love that we barely touched on it. Because maybe that means it won't win some people are saying it might it is no best picture absolutely not well i mean we've seen low-rated movies like by critics honestly no when parasite wins best picture i don't think you can have a year where don't look up what's best picture personally that being said green book did

win i i'm which is weird you know what though people did not like Roma. Whereas I'm not really hearing the blowback about Drive My Car or Power of the Dog. I think Drive My Car could be one to watch. I gotta see it. Anyways, wow. What a full fucking fleshed out episode of Lost Cult. Amazing. Did not disappoint. He's pointing at me.

Thank you so much for coming on. Thanks for coming, Lewis. I couldn't have had a better time. What a moment in time. Thank God I'm here. I'm so excited to be on. Thanks for coming, Louis. I couldn't have had a better time. What a moment in time. I'm so excited to be here. Oh my gosh. So fun. We end every episode with a song. The biggest pop.

Wouldn't it be good if this was like a gay song? T-Kyle Dance remix coming up. Oh my God, we didn't even talk about Sherri Shepherd filling in for Wendy Williams. Bye. Yeah, Wendy Williams is out. Sherri Shepherd is in. Anyway, think about that. Bye.

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