Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Boob Gay" (w/ Matt & Bowen")

Episode Date: November 29, 2023

Boob gays Matt & Bowen overcome the Sunday Scaries to catch up on the culture as of late. They react to May December and discuss Julianne Moore's lisp, Charles Melton's stunning performance and how the ending of the film recalls Tár. The hosts go on to anticipate The Color Purple, inquire about people who are somehow still Scientologists, and express how they feel when they are told to "shut the fuck up". All this, RHOM, RHOBH, RHOP, a scheduling and planning of Matt & Bowen's ultimate EGOT wins, what the Kennedy Center Honors for Mariah Carey might be like, whether or not we need reputation TV just yet, Disney's Wish and that company's weird year, and whether or not we can just have good old fashioned "mama slay" for once. This episode has huge tits.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Look, Matt. Where? Oh, I see. Wow. Oh, my. Bowen, look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow. Is that culture?

Yes. Goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. Both of us have had, I would say, a rough night. You had the Sunday scaries, you said. I had the Sunday scaries.

I've never heard you say you ever had the Sunday scaries. I always have the Sunday scaries. Oh've never heard you say you ever had the Sunday Scaries. I always have the Sunday Scaries. Oh, my God. It's really bad. I power through it. You know what I mean? Yeah, well, you must. In a high-pressure environment where it's high-octane,

the comedy comes hard and fast. It's not even about the work. It's just something about Monday. Yeah. It doesn't matter what is on the schedule. Mm-hmm. I'm freaking. Well, can I do a peek behind the

curtain? Yes. So you said to me outside that you had this on Ascari's and I was like, why? And I could sense that it was because you want to do a great job for Emma. I do want to go to Jake and Emma. You have to do the actress too. Birthday twins? Well, she's exactly two years older. Okay, well, first of all, you're dating

her and I don't mean going out for dinner. It's me, Emma, Ethan Hawke. Really? That is so prestige and cunty. It's the only caliber I'll ever be in with them. Quickly googling, that's not true.

Quickly googling March 5th famous birthdays. You don't know this off the top of your head? No, I think it's because it's kind of like lame. Oh my god, wait. No. Oscar nominee Adriana Barraza Adriana! from Babel.

Of course. Wait, was Adriana nominated the same year as Rinko Kukuchi? Well, when you're in the same film, that's often what happens is you'll get nominated the same year. Oh my God, wait.

Kevin Connolly of Entourage? Ah! Icon? Icon. Okay, wait. You are Babel and Entourage. Icon. Okay, wait. You are Babel and Entourage combined. Model Nikki Taylor. Pendulet.

Pendulet. Talia Balsam. Actress Talia Balsam. Oh, my God. These are so Matt Rogers coded. I've always felt connected to actress Talia Balsam. Do you know who I'm talking about? I do know Talia Balsam.

She's sort of like in so many projects, but like not a household name. to actress Talia Balsam. Do you know who I'm talking about? I do know Talia Balsam. She's sort of like in so many projects, but like not a household name. And I think even disrespectfully, she's known to some as John Slattery's wife, which is true disrespect. But she was his wife on Mad Men. She was his wife on Mad Men.

She got the raw end of the deal there, which any woman dating anyone on Mad Men was getting the raw end of the deal. Oh, if you're a woman on Mad Men, good luck. Unless your name was Peggy Olsen, you were arm candy, period. This is rule of culture number 59. If you're a woman on Mad Men, good luck. Unless your name is Peggy Olsen, otherwise

you're arm candy, period. That's a long one. Yeah, but I think it was a true one. And this episode is going to be long but true. Yes. This episode is flirting with Honesty's Own Vibes because I wanted to say I wanted to do a peek behind the curtain. We're doing a peek behind the curtain.

It is Honesty's Own Vibes. I think we're both coming in on a similar like, oh, hey, good morning, girl, wavelength. And I think that's actually beautiful setup. So you had the Sunday scaries and didn't sleep. Yeah. I

people are going to be like Matt's so stupid etc. when I say this and I literally agree. I've forgotten to take my Alexa Pro for four days. I think what happened was

I'm dumb and not that smart and without tools to remind myself to take it and by without tools to remind myself to take it and by without tools to remind myself to take it, I mean I don't literally just use my phone or get on a schedule.

But I literally feel like, you know, in like Mario Kart where you get like the poison mushroom and you drive backwards and you try to drive forwards and like all that. This must be Double Dash because I don't know this girl.

I don't know that mushroom. See, even me trying to make that metaphor come across, like, to read, like, is sort of... But I know what you mean. I feel, like, woozy down. And I just, I fear for what it's going to have me absolutely say on the episode. Am I going to be saying the truth? Honey, that's what I'll set you for. Finally the truth.

Finally the truth. I said to Bowen off air, I was like, I think you need to do the actress part two. Oh, that's, yeah, we're talking about Emma Stone. I think the actress part two would only disappoint. And it's, it is such a perfect I'm not like gassing up my own

work here, but it's like the way that that was conceived and written and made and shot and everything was like so pure and like it was me and Julio, like, coming together. I think he would admit to this. He would have to admit to it. Oh, he would proudly say it.

No, he would say that. But I'm just saying, like, this is how I am with any sequel. Mm-hmm. You know? I mean, I famously kind of hate when sketches are force-fed on SNL as, like, recurring bits. I think there's been some amazing bits that just, not for nothing, but kind of overstayed their welcome a touch.

It's always diminishing returns. And here's what I would say. The actress is not one of those things. And this is my pitch for the sketch. And am I dooming it by saying it on this podcast? No, no, no. It probably won't happen if you say it on this. Yeah, you kind of are dooming it, but I think that's okay. I've already ruled that out. So I pitched it and he's already ruled it out. No!

So now it's a safe place for me to pitch it here. I think this would be iconic. Okay. Everyone's gonna agree. The actress two starts with the actress that Emma Stone plays in the first sketch. She's now hugely successful.

We see like her boudoir is filled with Oscars. She's got like six Oscars and they all say, what's her name in the sketch? Um, oh my God. Does she not have a name? Is she just the actress?

No, she does have a name. She does have a name. Her name is Grace. Grace. So we see that Grace, who is known in Hollywood mononymously as Grace, has won six Oscars all for lead. She's Emma Stone times 15.

She's the biggest actress in Hollywood. And they come to her with a pitch for another film with Ty Mitchell and she says I don't know if I can go back to that place

and they convince her and we see her doing Lady Gaga method on the set and I just feel like we all would love to return to this world and I have doomed it

by pitching it here no you haven't you have free ideas over here no if I get an idea from Matt everyone must know that it's manna from heaven to me.

This is someone who... Oh, my God. Can I just say... Mind your mannas. Mind your mannas. Matt and I, you and I have not had a chance to, like, really sit down and, like, dig into something creatively in a long time until recently. Not going to reveal too much. But I got to say, I'm blown away by this girl.

You are very good at this. You know what they say? Is if you want something done, give it to a busy person. When I'm in busy mode... You are the busiest you've ever been. Well... You were just in London.

I would say that this wasn't the runway for that discussion. I do feel very busy. What I'm saying is I feel like I've been able to be productive because I'm already in a busy zone. It's inertia. You're already in motion. Whereas, and I don't know if you and the readers agree with this, but when I am given license to do nothing, I think I am the biggest waste of space on the planet. Like, I will just lay around and the way that I

feel this morning because of how I treated my body yesterday with food and more. Yes. Like, and the lack of inertia. I feel 58 years old this morning, and I think it's a little bit, didn't take the meds, a little bit, ate very badly yesterday. Also, we drank last night at the game.

We did. Because we were sort of at the Nets game. Sitting courtside. We were sitting courtside were sort of at the Nets game. Sitting courtside. We were sitting courtside. Like Jack Nicholson. Like Jack Nicholson and fucking Michelle Pfeiffer, I want to say. I think she would look stunning. Did they go to a basketball game together at one point in the 90s? I think they did.

Maybe. And today, this morning, we woke up feeling like Julianne Moore at the game. That meme of her going. Wait, really? Is there a meme of her at a basketball game? You know the meme. I don't think I do. It's like,

they cut to her, it's like, stars at the game and she's like, fully dissociating. Speaking of Julianne Moore, should we get into it? I was just going to say, well,

your pitch for the actress too reminded me of May December. Like, an actress playing an actress taking it so seriously. That's just May December in a nutshell. So,

I sort of said what I felt about May December and I don't think we sort of said what I felt about May, December and I don't think we're going to get into spoilers because May, December is going to be widely available to watch I believe on Netflix in a couple weeks

or soon. Wow. On Friday. So very soon but you can see it in theaters now. Your thoughts on May, December. Let's Cisco Lenebert this bitch. I loved it.

You know what I had to do? What? I saw May December in Denver at Landmark Straits Artiste. And you went by yourself? I went by myself. This is a good solo movie. Oh, it's a perfect solo movie. The theater was full of, I would say, lovely elderly people with taste.

Cinephiles. Cinephiles who, for some reason, still don't know how to behave at the theater. Well, let me guess. A lot of unwrapping of shit, a lot of talking, a lot of coughing. So what I had to do, and also the sound was not turned high enough in the space. I was sitting in front of two women who were crinkling the fuck out of their plastics. There's not enough talk about crinkle culture. There's not. We need toinkle culture. There's not.

We need to stop it with the crinkling. One of the rudest things you could do is whip out a package and crinkle the night away. While Julianne Moore is speaking. Obviously, they're very insecure. They're very insecure. I'm very insecure. So, your thoughts on her lisp?

I admit it to you. And it brings me great shame to say this. I did not clock that she had a lisp until two-thirds of the way through the movie. Until the end of Act 2. You're so brave to sell your arms. I was always self-conscious about my arms.

You're a modern woman. You're a modern woman. It's so interesting how you're a modern woman doesn't have any S. There's no lisp. Yeah, no. She wanted that one to land. Boys can be hard. Boys can be hard.

Boys can be hard. Boys can be hard. I love that line. There's a lot of good lines in this. Boys can be hard is a perfect. So, okay. Not spoiler territory, but just to give some context for people. This movie was written, I told you, I started reading the screenplay a couple years ago

because it was on the blacklist. And people were like, oh my god, this movie, this screenplay made December is crazy, everyone should read it. And I started it and then realized in watching the movie, I was like, oh, this is familiar. It's about Natalie Portman playing this television actress. I love how specifically she's a TV actress and not necessarily... Looking to break through in this independent film. It's so perfect. Yeah.

Informs so much about this character. She wears a hat that I can only describe as a hat that an actress wears. A hat that an actress wears. She comes to this town. So basically,

it's based on like the Mary Kay Letourneau scandal. Billy Fulau. Yeah. So basically, like, it's about a woman played by Julianne Moore

who's married to Her student. Well, no, it wasn't a student. It was that they were She ran a pet shop she ran a pet shop she ran a pet shop and started fucking

her employee who was a teen boy I believe he was in 8th grade he was in the 7th grade I gotta mix it because there's not spoiler at one point in the movie

he in the 7th grade writes her a card for an assignment so for a second I thought teacher but yes pet shop so she runs a pet shop

she starts fucking her child employee and basically she goes to jail but they get married and so we meet them So she runs a pet shop. She starts fucking her child employee. And basically she goes to jail, but they get married. And so we meet them when Natalie Portman, who plays a TV actress who's going to play her in a film, has gone to this small, small, small island town they live in to start shadowing her. Savannah, Georgia. Small island town.

It's by the water. In my head, it was a small island town. No, Savannah. Okay, well. It might have been like Hilton Head or something, but anyway. They're very isolated in this town, okay? It's a comfortable place for them to live because they don't really get bothered. Right.

You can imagine this woman has been through, obviously, international shaming because she's a rapist who is married to this child who's now a grown adult. They have kids. And Natalie goes to the town to shadow her and watch her because she wants to really do justice to her in this independent film she's playing Julianne in. And the relationship gets more and more complicated as the shadowing Yes. proceeds. There is

a lovely layer that is not too I thought it was going to be very heavy handed but there's a great thing of like camp to it.

There are like piano stings and like lynchian like frames and cuts and stuff. It's Todd Haynes and it's very Todd Haynes.

Yes, it's very Todd Haynes and Yes, it's very Todd Haynes. And I loved it. But yeah, what else is there to say? I mean, the lisp. Yeah, I just didn't clock the lisp because I was just so captivated. Like everything melted away. I was just like, oh my God, I'm watching two people

I love come together and do their thing. And then Charles Melton, a revelation. Charles Melton has one scene in particular where I was like really, really like overwhelmed by his talent. I was like, this is crazy. Like between him, I guess, and Jacob Elordi, it's like this year is like when you, those two of them like are now being taken very seriously

as dramatic actors and with good reason because I would say like even with Julianne Moore and Natalie Portman in this movie killing it and Natalie has a scene one scene in particular she has a monologue scene

where she's playing Julianne and like doing a monologue as her which after Greta and I watched it

I turned to Greta and she was just like I mean if there was any doubt she is totally one of the best that we have and I was like 100% when Natalie snaps in everyone else is kind of nothing like found dead

it's really compelling but Charles Melton I think gives the performance that you really remember because ultimately Jamie Lee Curtis this movie is about trauma yes Yes. And exploitation and how you really can't, once something like this is inflicted on someone, like, it never leaves them. Yes. What are you thinking about it being classified

as a comedy at the Golden Globes? I was thinking about that the entire time because Matt brought this up last episode with Seth Meyers. It's so jarring. I can't believe that. But I also am like,

I can't believe it's not getting more awards buzz. It's kind of getting lost in the mix because everything else is sort of like it's hard to market this movie I guess to like a bigger award watching audience. Well weirdly enough the Academy has always like

had like a polite respect for Todd Haynes but they've never gone cuckoo bananas over really anything he's ever done. Carol kind of got nothing, too. I mean, it got its nominations, and I think that the ones it got were the inevitable ones, and I think that people obviously

are truly fanatical about that movie. There's a certain brand of gay that is their favorite film, and Carol's certainly great. Cate Blanchett is amazing. Rooney Mara's great. But this movie, I think, maybe it's the subject matter.

It's just a little dire and very uncomfortable. So uncomfortable. And you sort of leave the movie, especially the last scene, feeling really jarred because the last scene is a reveal. I believe it to be a reveal.

I think it's a reveal. I think that is the comedic thing. Yeah. It reminded me of Tar, honestly. In many ways. The ending of Tar. In many, many ways. Like, this is ridiculous.

Yeah. It takes a turn at the end that you're like, and the whole thing, it actually begs for a rewatch. In many ways, the same way Tar did. Yes. Because you watch it and you're like, wait, what? Yes, yes. And that to me, like, I can honestly say, like, where we're really calling this a satire, and it is,

I kind of get it as a comedy, but, like, it's just so weird to think about this subject matter being up against, like, what? Like, No Hard Feelings? Right. You know what I mean? Like, you know the Golden Globes is going to be, like, J-Law and like right you know what i mean like you know the golden globes is going to be like j-law and no hard feelings and like what natalie in may

december like honestly kinda no natalie is hilarious in it she's hilarious but it's not kids are they all out of l.a i'm not sexy enough you're spoiling the whole thing. I don't know if I am. This is the thing about Matt. Everyone listen up. He points the finger when it comes to spoiling. Oh, shut the fuck up. But you spoil. First of all, I would like to think what I do is healthy. Don't tell me to shut the fuck up.

How dare you? This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up. Think you've seen it all? I don't think you've been a good friend to me lately. We'll be right back. No one gets a happier life. Salt Lake City. We don't wear costumes, we wear fashion. And below deck sailing. You broke the rules and now you're here getting upset. Watch all new seasons on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. Let's have a real good time. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh.

And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez.

At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. González wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still

this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose.

My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image,

and huge life transformations. I was a desperate, delusional dreamer and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life.

Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that. Like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty

on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. The other day I was at a party that was hosted by our friend Matt Whitaker and I started singing a little bit, and Jared turned to me from across the room and said, Matt, and he goes like this,

like telling me to silence. And I literally looked at him from across the party and I said, shut up. Yeah, Jared, that's not okay. That's not okay. I would never do that to you. Have I ever told you to quiet down? Yeah.

But not in an isolated trauma way. I've never across the room at an event been like, hey, relax. We love Jared, obviously, but that's. Well, then he told me he was kidding. He loves my singing. But that's not the way to show love. Speaking of Jared, tonight we are going to a screening of The Color Purple. Oh my God, I can't wait for you to see.

I can't wait to see myself. I'm really excited. Oh, my God. I can't wait for you to see. I can't wait to see it myself. I'm really excited. So, did you know, I didn't know much about this director, Blitz Bazawule. So, he worked on Black is King. Oh, amazing. And so, I had never heard of him before, but then I realized, oh, I've obviously seen and enjoyed his work. And I am very, I've always been excited because you know that I saw Fantasia on stage do the color purple I do remember this

and then I think Taraji is kind of a perfect shug and all the buzz about the supporting actress is about Danielle Brooks who to be honest with you I've never been like super emphatic about

but maybe it's just because I haven't seen her in the right thing sure I say this having seen all of Orange is the New Black but but excited for her that of Orange is the New Black. But excited for her.

But Orange is the New Black is an interesting show because it was such an ensemble moment. There was no person to really focus your scope on. Some people really popped to me in that show. And for some reason, just Tasty was not one of the characters that was popping to me. I felt like, what was her name? God, it's been so long.

But the one who's pregnant, who is like fucking the, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Matthew McGorry. Daya. Daya.

Daya. Yeah, I loved that storyline. God, what a moment. What a moment. To say a simpler time, Orange is the New Black,

is ridiculous. Yeah. But, a simpler time. In many ways. Samira Wiley, obviously, breakout. the New Black, is ridiculous. Yeah. But a simpler time. In many ways. Samira Wiley, obviously. Breakout. Or Prepon.

Uzo. Remember when Laura Prepon was giving the performance? I remember literally saying, Laura Prepon is absolutely slaying it on this show. I was like, maybe Scientology, they got a point. Elizabeth Olsen. What? Not Elizabeth Olsen.

Sorry, sorry, sorry. Oh my God. I meant... Leave that in. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You meant Natasha Lyonne. I did not mean Natasha Lyonne. I meant Peggy.

I mixed up Peggy Olsen with Elizabeth... What's her name? The actress who plays Peggy. Peggy? Peggy Olsen in Mad Men. She wasn't in Orange is the New Black. But she's a Scientologist. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh!

Sorry. Elizabeth Moss. Elizabeth Moss. Elizabeth Moss. God. One of the great legends. One of the great Scientology legends. It is so weird to think about people still dying on that hill. Because they're trapped in it.

Oh, yeah, I guess that's so true. But that just makes you go, wow. What Leah Remini did was the bravest. It was the bravest thing you could possibly do. It was the bravest thing she did since unbuttoning her top button in second act to deliver a punchline. Did she do that? Oh, my God. It was iconic. And Leah Remini in second act, she unbuttoned her top button of her jeans.

Oh, of her jeans. I'm not even sure. It's not even sure. You are a boob guy. I love boobs. It's time we say it. I love boobs. You, this is not the first time that someone with an impressive rack has been talked about

by Bowen Yang. I'm always talking about titties. You're a boob gay. I love, I'm a boob gay. Oh my God. That's rule of culture number 11. Bowen Yang is a boob gay. Should the title of that be boob gay a boob gay. Oh my God, that's rule of culture number 11. Bowen Yang is a boob gay. Should the title of that be boob gay?

Boob gay. I think they're going to put this as a tribe on Grindr. Yeah, boob gay. You know that one of my- To Scorpio, boob gay. One of my favorite things to know about myself is that if I was born female, I would have a massive rack. You would have huge tits. I really would. Not saying too much about my sister and my mother,

but they're blessed with big old boobies. And I feel like I would have a huge rack if I were born female. And that's just something that... I would be big titta girl. Big titta girl. Well, my name would have been Chelsea and I would have had huge tits. Do you think I would still be here as a ghost? Yeah. I think big tits

are such they inform so much. Patty Harrison wrote a whole show about it. I love that show. You know what I mean? My huge tits huge because infected not fake. Not fake. My huge tits huge because infected not fake. Everyone should go see my huge tits huge because infected

not fake. I saw it at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival. It was my favorite work that Patti has ever done, which is saying a lot. I'm one of Patti's number one fans. Ba-ba-ba-ba, biracial girl. Ba-ba-ba-ba, biracial girl. Ba-ba-ba-ba, biracial girl. Why am I giving away the show?

I mean, literally, I'm about to just start quoting the show. That's just one part of the show. Ba-ba-ba-ba, biracial girl just one part of the show. Biracial girl. She has a great song called Biracial Girl. Which she is. Yeah, because the show really is. She says at one point, the show is not about my huge tits.

The show is about the fact that I'm biracial. You have to go see it. It's perfect. She's perfect. For her to do that at Fringe is so iconic to great houses? well to fucking like

lampoon the whole idea of a Fringe show it's like fuck you for like making people like do shows about their identities

you know what I mean? I don't know if they make them I think people out there really want to do shows about their identities they want to explore themselves they don't make them

but they are sort of incentivized and encouraged to do that whatever we can cut this out. No, but one thing I'll say is that the way that theater works and is consumed in the UK is so different. I just did my shows at the Soho Theater.

Love them. So great. Everyone there was so lovely. But you get reviewed, which would never happen in America. I would never do a show and people would come. But it's weird. It's like the review culture in the UK and UK. and U.K. theater and U.K. comedy is so different than it is here.

It's like, you know they're coming. It's like, it matters. Like, the word of mouth really literally does travel because of those reviews. It's just odd. It's just foreign to us as a culture where the arts are not subsidized. Okay. That's your call for subsidization. That's my call.

What were we talking about? May, December? I mean, I don't know if there's much else to say than I would say I would give it a big old stream it. Stream it. And also see it. See it if you can this week. Anything else?

I mean, here's the thing I would say. Bowen, before we got on, said that he has a very sort of big, I don't think so, honey, to do today. And I'm told that we have to reserve comment on a certain Housewives franchise until the end. But we can talk about the other ones. We can talk about the other ones.

And I will say my father watched Beverly Hills with me. So I was experiencing a lovely holiday moment, extended holiday moment with my... Watching the real Housewives. Yeah, and so I basically, I had so much to do do I had to watch Salt Lake Beverly Hills and Miami so I watched Miami first and they were sort of half watching it with me then they both sat down both my parents sat down and watched Beverly Hills with me because I think there's like some in there I don't know maybe because they know the women a little bit more they're more famous maybe this is my dad's review

I kind of like the one who I went through the divorce and lives in the small house. Erica. Correct. He said, I like the one in the hat. Garcelle? Kyle. Kyle. Kyle was always very powerful when she puts a hat on.

Right. And my mom said, I don't know what it is about her, but I have a feeling she's not very nice. Oh. That's my mom's intuition. I trust Katrina. Then he said that he thinks Garcelle's a good mom. Yes. And he said...

Sorry, Jax. He said he thinks that Sutton is quote-unquote crushed in every scene, which means drunk. Drunk. And I think he might have a point. I think he might... You know what I'm noticing about Sutton? The way she's speaking now is so...

It's setting off every alarm in my head because she's going like this something's different she's talking down into her and I'm like what you really do have a Sutton Bowen has a Sutton

Bowen has a Sutton but she'll be in the middle of an argument and then go down and that's scaring the crap out of me

yeah there's something very scary about it. And Namum, Namum, Namum might have been, like, alcohol-fueled. I'm sorry, it's not my place to say that. I think that you might, I was like, I think she might be drinking, and then my dad goes, well, look at the tub in front of her. There's a huge cocktail in front of her in that Namum scene. Yes, there's a giant Paloma or something.

There's something going on there for sure, and then I think we all forgot Crystal was in the episode. Yeah. And then when Denise Richards walked in, my dad turns to me and goes, Denise Richards. Which you said was a tell. Which I think is a reveal

that he may have cranked it to her in the 90s. Cranked it? I'll say it. I think many straight men cranked it to Denise Richards in the 90s and that's rule of culture number 17. I think many straight men cranked it to Denise Richards in the 90s, and that's rule of culture number 17. I think many straight men cranked it to Denise Richards in the 90s. You forgot. Iconic Bond girl.

Yeah. And iconic just hot woman. Hot woman. Wild things. Yeah. Scary Movie 3. Exactly, Queen. She was so funny in Scary Movie 3.

Yeah. And no sex. What? No sex. No. And no sex. What? No sex. No sex. No sex! Oh, yeah. She played the crushed wife.

She was Charlie Sheen's wife. Yeah. And she was crushed. That is... We bring up Scary Movie 3 once a month. Because it's iconic. I need to watch it. Some of the best...

It's like, it's Airplane. It's like some of the best jokes, like. Yeah. I mean, right now I'm forgetting Cameron Mannheim playing Cherry Jones in Signs, that role. So funny. And every time the camera comes back to her, her hat is bigger. To the point where she can't get into the car because her hat's so big. Why did they decide that was the bit?

I don't know, but I want more of that. Need more of that. Cow says blank. Dude. Dude. Cow says blank. Three letters. Dude. Dude. Love it. Jenny McCarthy.

Pam and Jenny. Pam and Jenny. Pam. Pam is such a good actor. Justice for Pam, we've been saying it forever. I mean, listen, I'm a Pam supporter. I went to opening night of Chicago. Oh my god, I did not see Pam in Chicago. What is the next theatrical experience we're gonna have? I guess should we go see Merrily?

I saw it at New York Theatre Workshop. Loved it. Who was in it? Was Jonathan in it? They were all in it. Oh, Daniel, Jonathan, and Lindsay? And Lindsay. Lindsay was great. That's what everyone says leaving it. Girl, Marilee? Is it me you pseudocoded? Is it?

I'm thinking these are three kids who met in college, and then it all fell apart. It all falls apart in the show, right? Well, the thing with Marilee, and I loved this production so much, at least the off-Broadway production, but it is structurally doing a cool thing. It's told in reverse chronological order,

but it does completely take the stakes out of it. You're like, well, I know this ends badly, so then why am I watching the stakes get lower and lower as time goes on? You know what I mean? Well, I guess in what, like 20 years' time, we'll have a Richard Linklater movie? That's right.

With Beanie and Ben right with Beanie and Ben with Beanie and Ben I mean I can't wait to see that but I just think like and that that's not a Sondheim thing I forgot who wrote the book but like I just think that's the the fundamental thing about Merrily that I'm like that's why like it hasn't been put up that often and now that I think this is the perfect setup for it where you have these big stars do it. And the music's great. I do love the songs. I just love a theatrical experience. I really do.

How are you going to get your EGOT? Let's see. Emmy for this season of SNL. Let's hope. Oscar for you. This season of SNL? You play. Who would you play in a biopic to get your Oscar? I would play.

I'm famously playing Hunter Biden. Oh, my God. That's my Oscar. I would play Eileen Wuornos. I would play Eileen Wuornos. You think they didn't get it right the first time? I think Charlize flopped. Just kidding.

She was amazing. I think Charlize flopped and I need to go in there. I think you'd be a stunning Eileen. Thank you. Yeah. Show me. Like what's the line from the movie? I remember the clip they played at the Oscars.

Oh, yeah. The clip was like... Maybe... I forget what the line is. She's like going cuckoo crazy. I mean, look, I know a makeup person. You know a lot of them. I know a lot of them.

Who can do what they did. Who can do what they did. Yeah. Okay. I would say for of them. Who can do what they did. Who can do what they did. Yeah. Okay. I would say for my performance as Hunter Biden, I'm just going to not sleep. I'm just going to show up to set every day like, oh, haggard. Haggard. Like, it's so rough.

I'm going to embody what it feels to feel rough. Yeah. And just go in and like. Fuck it. Should I write the script myself? I feel like I have to make this happen. I think... No, let it come...

No one's going to write me my Hunter Biden vehicle. I think I might have to do it. I think... Listen, the people at Script Notes listen to this podcast. I think they're going to get the word out that... John August, write me my Hunter Biden vehicle. Now. Now.

John. Listen. It's all been very... A lot of niceties passed back and forth. Do something. Write me a role. I think that's your Oscar. Yeah.

My Grammy is. Your Grammy is for, have you heard of Christmas? Clearly incoming. Incoming. And my Tony, oh, we should definitely win a Tony together. I would love that.

How do we do that? Hmm. Um. It's usually we compete. Wicked. We stage wicked. And? Hmm. It's usually we compete. Wicked. Restage Wicked. And we both win. This is so funny.

I actually was listening to Defying Gravity today. I don't know why, but I think I was just, oh, you want to know what? I was really feeling myself. So pick behind the curtain because this is a big truth episode. Honesty zone. People were late today, and I was very early. Matt was so early. I was so freakishly early

So I decided to like walk around And for some reason I landed on Burn From Hamilton Which was one of the inspirations for my song Every Christmas Eve Years ago And I was listening to it and I'm like This song goes so hard

Oh it's a beautiful song You forfeit the rest of my heart You forfeit the place that I heart. You forfeit the place that I'm at. You don't get to know what I said. So good. Pippa went off on that one. I want to be at the Kennedy Center Honors, Pippa.

Sue. Wait, I was actually thinking about this too. What would the Kennedy Center Honors for Mariah be? What's the lineup and what songs can I perform? Oh, I can't do this. Ariana. Yeah? I would like to see Ariana the Kennedy Center honors for Mariah B. What's the lineup and what songs can I perform? Oh, I can't do this. I don't know. Ariana. Yeah.

I would like to see Ariana do either Dream Lover or Fantasy. You know that song? You're not as big a lamb as I am. Dream Lover come. No, I know. I know these songs,

but I'm thinking like, I'm just thinking if there's, no, I trust you. I want Kelly to sing my all like we pitched on this episode. I don't know what she wants to sing. Yeah, I just, I think I kind of want Ari to give a more up-tempo moment.

That's what I was saying. I was like, fantasy, even fantasy is a little slow. Maybe. It's not like, you need something fast. She doesn't really have a lot of up, up, up tempos. By the way, they just did a tribute to Mariah, and Jennifer Hudson sang Vision of Love. It was so much singing.

Yes. You just have to stand and applaud. And then Patti LaBelle also sang, I forget what she sang, but it was also stunning. And I was just like, wow. Because to tribute Mariah, you kind of have to bring everyone in

who's going to do kind of the most to say the least. Right. And imagine just sitting there performance after performance just like knocked off your pedestal by these women who know it's their

Mariah Carey tribute moment. Right. And that she's watching. I think that is a YouTube clip that will be watched by gays over and over and over again when it happens

after it happens. Wait, I'm sorry. Did this happen? It happened the other night but not at Kennedy Center Honors. Oh, I know. Yes, but is it on YouTube is what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm sorry. Did this happen? It happened the other night, but not at Kennedy Center Honors. Oh, I know, yes, but is it on YouTube is what I'm saying? Yeah, I watched the Jennifer Hudson performance.

Okay, okay. And it was, like I said, it was the Vision of Love and it was just like, whoa. The thing about Vision of Love and Mariah is there's like an elegance. Oh, she comes in completely like, I don't know, like.

I don't think anyone can really sing that. You think so? I think it's one of those songs I think Vision of Love is a lot more I Will Always Love You than we realized in that like

by the end it's like yeah yeah yeah it's also just like Vision of Love is so Mariah coded because it's Mariah it's pure Mariah

that's real culture number 89 Vision of Love is so Mariah coded because it's Mariah it That's real coaster number 89. Vision of Love is so Mariah coded because it's Mariah. It's almost like she starts solo and then by the end she's like, yeah. It's just so, even to hear Jennifer Hudson do it, who's obviously one of the best singers out there,

it's just like, yes, this is a tribute to, this is not a new rendition of, because you really can't do a new rendition of Vision of Love. Right. And I think that's the case for a lot of Mariah songs which is why you don't see her covered a lot but that song in particular you really can't right would you say that mariah's music is timeless or is it so beautifully time bound that you can't really like modernize it well you people do literally modernize it like fucking fantasy they just big dick energy but even that was

very preserved yeah like it sounded just like fantasy and fantasy is of course a sample too so wait but I would say was it you that said to me

it wasn't you I think it was Jared because he loves to do this he was like if you had to keep one person's discography no I hate this shit hate this

hate this hate this so much but he said because I don't have to keep one person's discography You're right, exactly. And I was like, there's actually not a... So now that we have both discographies, there's not a world where you can never listen to this again.

But I guess he was like, imagine a world where you could never listen. I don't think so, honey. That whole rhetorical thing. I don't like those guns either. Gun to your head, choose this or that. Well, I don't have a gun to my head and no one would ever hold a gun to my head and make me choose these two fucking things. Right.

And so he said to me, gun to your head. Sorry, Jared, to put you on blast, but you did say this. Taylor or Beyonce. And I was like, I refuse to answer the question. Refuse to answer the question. But he said Taylor and Mariah. I was like, I have to keep Mariah's music. No, of course.

I have to keep Mariah's music. Mariah, it's just, it's not that I don't want to be disrespectful, but it's like I think that that would put me in a serious depression knowing that I could never listen to any of Mariah's music ever again. Whereas, like, tell her to write new music. Not that Mariah couldn't, but, like, I don't know. There's something so special to me about Mariah's discography. The beauty of Taylor is the like glut of music that there is.

And part of gorgeous word glut glut. And then what goes with that is you can call me a glut. Part of that means as a consumer, and that's all I am as a consumer. I big bottom, big bottom. I am, as a consumer, I... Big bottom. Big bottom. I get to take a break. Yeah.

You know what I mean? And I think with Taylor, sometimes I have to consciously be like, I'm going to tap out, I'm going to listen to some Bjork or whatever. People were like, oh, she's announcing Reputation TV tonight. They were saying this all weekend,

and I was just like, you guys, we have to slow down. Let her exist. We have to slow down. Let her exist. We have to slow down. Because honestly, I remember my initial reaction to even Evermore coming out was I was just like, but we just got Folklore. What? I was just like, it's going to take me a second. Then I eventually got around to Evermore, and it was one of my favorite albums of hers but when things come too fast too furious it's like even with 1989 tv like we were honest about our thoughts about it

on this pod but like i haven't really sat down and like allowed the newer songs yes to like seep into my veins it's like taylor cannon because i'm like i don't know i just feel like i'm not in that zone right now i'm still enjoying the yes i. I'm still listening to Cruel Summer. I'm still listening to Cruel Summer. I was thinking Today in the Shower. I should give Lover another full rotation. I love Lover. Lover is...

It's maligned. And there's no reason for it to be. It is... There's some reason for it to be. Such an interesting moment in her career. For her first two singles to be songs that are so outside of what

she knows she does best for me and You Need To Calm Down to be the first two singles from that do you think that Me and You Need To Calm Down were just like an overcorrection from the Reputation era yes Me is so still such a big question mark for Swifties, I think.

It's so rare for her to be, and I'm just going to say this, publicly a little self-conscious about it, because you remember when she took out, hey kids, spelling is fun. Which I thought was the wrong move. I was like, why are you taking it out? I think because that is the element of like, whatever, kill me for saying this,

but like the element of wit that's in there. Something's a little off. Something's a little off. Something's a little wrong. And I love it when that happens. Yeah. You know what I mean? It felt like a choice that was made and we should stick to the choice.

Did she ever say why she took it out? No. It kind of just reads as self-consciousness because maybe the response to it, I mean, it was like on paper a huge hit, but like.

But the response to it was like the internet was like, what the fuck? People being like, we don't know about this one. Yeah. And then it did that weird thing where she does have like that reputation for quote unquote, but like but the response to it was like the internet was like what the fuck people being like we don't know about this one yeah and then it did that weird thing where she does have like

that reputation for quote unquote not choosing the right first single which is like not something that's necessarily true and it doesn't really matter in the end

yeah and then you need to come down was of course felt gay baity at the time I don't know like it did feel like that was like a moment

in her career where people were just ready to drag her in a way that sort of invalidated just how good Lover actually was. Because most of the songs on that album

are some of her greatest work. Still in Archer Stan. She said, by the way, that it's going to be in... It's going to be in... And while it streams. It's going to be in

the stream version. Streamable version. And Long Live. But because so much of Lover is so fucking good. and while it's James it's gonna be in the stream version streamable version and long live and um but because so much of Lover is so fucking good Lover

the song to me is one of her best but yeah those weren't the singles Cruel Summer was the single girl but then again can we argue with a timeline

which saw Cruel Summer have this moment it felt right for the Heiress Tour it did it did everything happens for a reason

hashtag Taylor hashtag right for the heiress tour. It did. It did. Everything happens for a reason. Hashtag Taylor. Hashtag. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. I love that. Oh my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg.

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I want to quickly talk about Miami. Adriana is so important. Adriana De Mora is so important. And why is she not housewife status? The only thing about Miami is the friends are so vital to the show. And there is just like, I guess it's just too many women

who are already housewives who are holding mojitos. So there's six full-time and three friends. It's nine. Bump it up to nine. I don't know. Do it.

Potomac has eight right now and five out of the eight are fucking cannon fodder. I can't do this. We have to wait until I don't think so. I was told that we had to wait to talk about Potomac

until I don't think so, honey. But in terms of Miami, I feel like, here's the thing. Marisol, Adriana, and Kiki. I think there's this thing that Miami is doing that because they have women that are married and are actual quote-unquote housewives, they are the main cast. Sure.

But then again, like, Larsa isn't. I think we're well past the point of, like, that being a requirement. But anyway, this is all to say, I love this show so much. I think that if it's working, if it ain't broke. Sure. Like Kiki as a friend of I think is perfectly fine. Kiki as a friend of is perfectly fine. Even Marisol. I just think Adriana drives

so much of the conflict. She definitely does. And she is no longer susceptible to your poison. They have vipers like... Venom like vipers. Venom like vipers. Fuck you, Marisol, motherfucker, hateful person! Being hateful because I'm flatulent.

Flatulent. The word flatulent being used so many times. Really no notes for Miami. No notes. No notes for Salt Lake, really. These are fun shows and that's what you need. That's what makes something watchable. Okay? Period. Point blank. And that will

lead into our discussion on another franchise in just a bit. Okay? So listen, it's time, I think, to sort of get that negativity out. And I'm actually going to have you go first today. I'm superstitious. What? I feel like you always go first. And I feel like if you're going to switch up the order, this is going to really you go first today. I'm superstitious. What? I feel like you always go first. And I feel like if you're going to switch up the order, this is going to really shake up the week.

Which, you know what? Maybe I need. I think I forgot what my I don't think so honey was. Okay, so you want me to go first? I do think you need to go first. Okay, great. Okay. Okay.

This is Bo and Yang's I don't think so honey, and it's long awaited. His time starts now. I don't think so honey, the real house is a Potomac. I think I'm tapping out because it has become utterly unwatchable. It brings me no pleasure to say this. If you had asked me two years ago, I would have said it was my favorite city in the entire franchise.

Now it is dead last. Dead last. Because as I said, the ratio is bad. Five out of these eight women are intolerable. It's so true. Three of them are evil people. Mia.

30. Mia, Giselle, Robin, you guys. You guys are so awful. And then I love Karen. I love Wendy. I love Candice down forever for life. But the rest of these women are so desperate to be on television, so thirsty, so hungry.

They're acting like Drew Carey just called their names on The Price is Right, and they're racing to the bottom to bid $1. Because that is what is the price of the show. Even Wendy, I love you, Wendy, but you are overcorrecting here. I mean, this show is bad vibes down. That's one minute. Listen to me. I'm out.

You sit here and you say that the evil people are Giselle, Robin, and Mia. I would raise you as Ashley Darby. Oh, Ashley Darby,

you're fucking toast. Ashley Darby is so... God, you suck. So here's something I was actually asking myself. Is Ashley Darby this dumb

or this mean? And I'm like, oh, it's obviously that she's this mean or this mean and I'm like oh it doesn't matter obviously that she's this mean she's mean and like because her thing of like oops did I spread that rumor about Wendy's mother being like a voodoo person first of all can I say I am with you I kind of refuse to participate in something that's gonna pit these two Nigerian women against each other based on heritage. It's so disappointing. And I was really not about the editing of the last episode, which was like showing Wendy's mother like praying.

And then they did this weird musical sting on it to make her seem like mystical. That did not feel right to me. This all feels very wrong to me. How many more times are we going to have to have Wendy sat down by Ashley and told something horrible like that's being said about her life just for what? These women aren't friends.

It's not fun. They're just not friends. Robin is inactive. They all live like 15 miles apart from each other. It's like there is no like central binding hub. There's no agent. There's no like thing that like brings these people together.

Truly. The way that Giselle salivates when she hears she can talk shit about Wendy or that there's something nasty about Wendy. It's so like the glee with which Robin was receiving that information from NECA, like, about, like, all that stuff that was negative about Wendy. I was like, this is such an ugly show. Yep. And it really is a shame. And I'll miss you, Karen. I'll miss you, Wendy.

I'll miss you, Candice. And I'm not saying I'm not going to watch it. I'm just saying, like, I still haven't seen this week's episode. There's no propeller for me to watch it. I'm just saying, like, I still haven't seen this week's episode. There's no propeller for me to watch it. It's like, and honestly, that's the thing too

about like having so many other franchises that are doing so great on Bravo right now is just like, I'm not going to watch something I'm not going to enjoy that I like

morally object to. There's no way. And also, it's like, why? Why invest time in people who are awful? You don't have the time.

Like, you, the readers, Katie's Publishers, finalists, do not have the time to watch something like this. You don't have the time. You, the readers, Katie's Publishers, finalists, do not have the time to watch something like this. We don't have the time for Potomac anymore. I never thought I would say this. I used to love this show. Literally, what I said was,

I would hang out with any of these women. Now, these are the fucking lamest people. It's really weird. They are so deeply uncool. Yeah, and also it's just like, I guess Wendy and Candice and Karen have to keep participating

because it's the show that they're on but it's just like god at what point is it not even worth it you have to show up and these are your colleagues

people who are out to destroy you ruin your lives and the people that you love that's I guess the difference is that on

Miami it's like you talk shit about me because i was flatulence how dare you are viper so funny and on beverly hills it's like you know it definitely gets thick it gets a little dark but like there's like a pageantry there that the women are all in on that feels like these women are not collaborating with each other to make content. They're conspiring with one another to ruin each other. Right. And it feels like... For what? It's not entertainment.

And for Salt Lake, there is an element of like, there are criminals about, and these women have to unite to fight off these evils. Like, that is a fun, compelling thing for me to watch. They're also fun to watch. They're also so fun. None of these women are fun to watch. No one's fun to watch. And I'm sorry, but, like, Candace, you haven't been on the show.

Like, I mean, you, like... This is another part of it. Candace, Karen, and Wendy, Wendy except for this, like, fucking NECA stuff, it's like, they're not featured enough. There's so much focus being put on Robin and Giselle still, and Ashley and her stupid... Why are you doing a coastside house in the fucking DMV, Ashley Darby?

The stupidest fucking design story. Yeah, it really is a very, like, lazy... Very bizarre, very weird. It's, like, very, like, old-fashioned, like... Beach house? It's giving, like, fifth thought. It's just... How many houses have we been to in the suburbs where this is the story? You know, my house is a beach.

It's giving like lame. That's not to disrespect anyone who's like my living room is the sand and my bathroom is the beach. You know what I mean? Like that is like a common thing. I get it. I'm only using this as ammunition against someone that I already dislike.

Right. That's all I'm saying. Everyone else, I think your house is beautiful. If you have a coastal themed house in a landlocked area,

I love that for you. I think your house is beautiful. I think your house is beautiful. But if your name is Ashley Darby and you're,

are they divorced yet? And you're fucking, No, they're not divorced. Yeah, like, you're in such a sad arrangement, Ashley. And here's the thing that connects all of these women that are like vituperative on the show. A word I learned from Bowen Yang. Is their personal lives are all a mess.

Like watching the Robin and Juan of it all is so pathetic. And the fact is like you kind of like, have to side with her. Because it's like, when someone says, like, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care. You're like, okay, well, she said she doesn't care. So now I guess everyone else is uncool for trying to get her into a position where she, like. But I guess ultimately what I'm saying is it's just like, guys, she doesn't care. She doesn't want her life to be better. She doesn't aspire to better things.

So when someone is telling you what they feel, that's what she feels. Leave her be. Leave her be. She doesn't want her situation to improve. Which then makes me go, then why is she on television? Why am I watching her life? Well, her husband got fucking fired. And here's another garbage thing I'm picking up on the show.

He is constantly, Juan Dixon is constantly on television being like, well, you know, I got fired because we weren't winning games. Not anything. I love my guys. I love my guys. It's like, first of all, here's the truth. You allowed a situation to go on on your team with a young person who will be affected by, just look it up,

because I'm not getting into it. It's actually disgusting. It's disgusting. He covered up basically assault on his team. Like a coach on his team was, to say the least, inappropriate with one of the players. The player brought it to the attention of the coaches

and the coaches like buried it. Okay, so that's why he was fired. That's what we're dealing with in that family in the dixon household giselle is being so fucking stupid with this whole like cougar identity she now has this woman doesn't know who she is this woman does not she's not interesting and the only thing that makes her interesting is the way that she plays the chess board i guess in terms of like she doesn't play the chessboard she fucking flips the table yeah she fucking flips it she like makes a fucking

mess it's just no fun it's not fun it's no fun and ashley darby being like oh oops did i destroy any potential for these two women to be friends necca and wendy when like they should have come on and been like you know not that necca any help, because she couldn't have got to the center of this inappropriate bullshit with Wendy's mother quicker. No, but also NECA is not it whatsoever. There's no star quality. There's no star quality. The way she talks to her husband is vile.

She screams at him to shut up every single day. I'm like, I don't like this. Here's what I'll say about Mia. At least I'm laughing. I've started calling her the legendary Mia Thornton in group chats and I do laugh. Because you're laughing because she's not legendary, because she's actually equally as pathetic as the rest of the

people. Here's what I'll say. Like, if NECA has no star quality, at least I think Mia, like, whenever she comes on television I'm like, well, what is this gonna be? I at least do like watching Mia. I do. Mia, like, whenever she comes on television, I'm like, well, what is this gonna be? I at least do like watching Mia. I do. Mia, the moments that I like... Sorry, the legendary Mia Thornton. The moments that I like watching the legendary

Mia Thornton are when Karen is being so mean to her. Karen doing the handshake? And she just takes it on, and then Mia just kind of takes it on the chin and I'm like, okay, that's funny, but like, that does not a reality TV character make. I just, I don't know what to say. I'm not saying I'm not gonna watch anymore, but I am saying, okay, that's funny, but like that does not a reality TV character make. I just, I don't know what to say. I'm not saying I'm not going to watch anymore, but I am saying like you are right.

Dead last. It's bad. Dead last. And I feel like the weird thing that's happening is they feel like they can't get rid of Giselle and Robin and Ashley. And I have to tell you, you can, you can, you can actually, this happens all the time is you get the toxic people out of a situation.

It is a noxious show. Like, it's just like, ugh, like, we're not dealing with light Housewives content. We're dealing with this stuff that, like, watching Wendy's face

as she has to receive that this is going to be the conflict of the show, that, like, they're attacking her mother based on heritage and religion is so, and what they are saying about this like whole this implication that wendy's family might be osu is actually so so so damning and dark and so personal that it's like of course like the bravo audience the Housewives audience is not going to actually understand

what's being implicated here. But it's like, if you look into it and actually go to Wendy's Twitter and see what she's retweeting and what she's saying, it's really, really fucked up. But that's the thing is that there's so much room for misinterpretation or, like, agnosticism about, like, what these things mean in that culture

that it leaves room for so much bad faith and bad interpretation of what this all means. And fucking Ashley Darby starts it. Like this fucking, I'm sorry, light-skinned woman who could not care less about the fact that these two women are from a culture that is completely foreign to her. Also, watching them all sweat so hard to try to make NECA a thing.

They're all getting on their Instagram like, we're so excited for you guys to meet NECA. NECA's incredible. It's like, NECA is a total five. Not today, NECA. Not today. What is it? Not today, NECA.

Not today, NECA. Not today. What's the other? Ankles. Ankles. Not today, Satan. Not today, Satan. We miss you, Candice, on the show.

Candice. She was on the show this episode, but I just, where you been? Where you been? Anyway. She's been on tour, and that's kind of what she's been doing on the tour. Okay, I do have an I Don't Think So, Honey, and I wish I didn't. Oh. I wish I didn't.

I'm sorry. It's okay. This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up. Think you've seen it all? I don't think you've been a good friend to me lately. We're friends like that. Who needs enemies?

You ain't seen nothing yet. Cheers to being Germanic. With the Real Housewives of Potomac. Oh my gosh, can I take this in? It's gonna be amazing. New York City. Everyone is a gossip. No one gets a happier life.

Salt Lake City. We don't wear pastels, we wear fashion. And below deck sailing. You broke the rules and now you're here getting upset. Watch all new seasons on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest

and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate delusional dreamer and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life.

Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that like years of work listen to on purpose with jay shetty on the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts trust me you won't want to miss this one on thanksgiving day 1999 a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean.

He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian, Elian. Elian Gonzalez. Elian, Elian. Elian Gonzalez.

At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story,

as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey. Time starts now. I don't think so, honey. The is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey. Time starts now. I don't think so, honey. The song from Wish.

I just miss the days of majesty in these Disney songs. Like, I'm listening to the song from Wish, and I'm rooting for Wish. Like, I root for every, like, Disney princess movie that comes out. And then here's what I would say, like, to give some feedback. Like, too many words. Like, where is the timeless melody? Where is the timeless, like, easy thing to latch into? Like, where is, like, the days of Alan Menken and Howard Ashman?

Like, we need to find, and I love Julia Michaels, but she is a pop songwriter. And I feel like there's a lack of timelessness or memorability to the melodies in this. 15 seconds. And I listened to the soundtrack today, and I'm just like, we're missing some of the magic. And that's to, not to say too much about the whole fucking thing, but where is the magic? We need less words to find it. I didn't like the song in Wish. I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute.

And it's so interesting because all of the promotional stuff about this movie is making it seem like this is the best I Want song Disney has ever written. First of all, if you have to say it, it probably isn't true. And also it's like, let's not pretend like the stakes aren't so high in terms of that. I mean, like, part of your world is staring us in the face. By the way, there was a Rolling Stone list about the top 10 Disney movies. And I actually... Agreed with it?

It wasn't that I agreed or disagreed. I was just like, okay, it's a Rolling Stone list. Here we go. They chose Bambi as number one. That's ridiculous. Which I actually... I don't think it's ridiculous. I actually think it's kind of like a chic choice.

Because, I mean, the animation was revolutionary for the time. It's a very emotional story. Like, it's also like OG, OG Disney. So I kind of got that. But then The Lion King wasn't even in the top ten. See. And like, the recent Winnie the Pooh was. No.

And I'm like, Rolling Stone. It's Rolling Stone being Rolling Stone. You gotta stop. Like, it was giving Celine Dion not on the list vibes at some point. But at least, like, there was, like, some respect for, in there for the classic. Like, Little Mermaid was ranked very high. And I'm like, yes. Because Little Mermaid, like, at least the songs in the original, like, you don't ever forget them.

Beauty and the Beast, that do-do-do-do-do. There's something there that's, like, timeless. And I feel like in this wish song which i believe is called i wish i'm not able to like latch on to anything about the song because i think it's too crowded yes narratively and like there's nothing we're not aiming for the stars in terms of like feeling classic. And yet, I think Disney has poured in so much into it being Disney 100. Let's really cement the legacy of the last century of what we've put out. And like this is like they've had a weird year.

A bad one. They've had a not good year i think that so the thing with wish is it quote unquote isn't succeeding right now at the box office but it did get an a cinema score and it's something that could play through the holidays i mean they said elemental was a flop and then it actually made a lot of money it's now categorized as a sleeper hit which i didn't even know because i feel like there's so much emphasis put on like the opening weekends for things like this but you have to also remember Frozen was a huge sleeper phenomenon like that was not a hugely popular movie and it's even its first two weeks and then as kids started to express that they loved it like then it grew so like I feel like there's potential for Wish to do well but here's

the thing is it's like you need something that's like a really driving intangible for something like this movie to succeed and Frozen had that with Let It Go and the other songs the songs are not songing on this album and it's no disrespect to Julia

Michaels who I think is a great pop songwriter and a great pop artist but there's something that's like not connecting in terms of like, you can't, there's no emotional end to these songs. And I haven't seen them in context. I haven't seen the movie.

But it's just been a weird year because that didn't do well. And then the Marvels like really didn't do well. And I think that Disney's plan going forward is to funnel like, I think it's like 20 billion into the theme parks. It's all going into the parks. Yeah, because they're the only real division

of Disney that is growing are the parks, because there was like a theme park resurgence. And I guess my thing is like... You had a lot to do with that. Absolutely. But I guess my thing is like, what happens when the IP all just collapses in on itself? know what i mean like

the marvel it's so confusing and saturated now that i think people didn't go see the marvels because they were like i'm not gonna get it no it's they had an opportunity to like really reset it after endgame yeah and they just kept like sizing up the bubble and like it was like it was impossible to follow it's unreal how much you'd have to consume to truly understand what's happening in any given piece of content that's come out from marvel in the past two years you tell me like jonathan majors plays kang and i'm like which now a whole thing. I just think like they've had a lot of bad luck. Yeah. And Destin Daniel dropped out of the next Avengers movie,

but he's going to still direct the Shang-Chi film. Something's going on at Disney. And like, I think the little drips of news and announcements lately have been so interesting too, between like Inside Out and this whole thing about like, oh, 5 and frozen 4 it's like okay but like just give us a second yeah i don't know i just i just think they're obsessed with announcements yeah yeah like they're so obsessed with letting you know what's happening so that you know down the road

everything and then you look at it and you're like wow so you're truly banking on this regurgitative ip again and again and again and again and then even your original stuff feels derivative like wow, so you're truly banking on this regurgitative IP again and again and again and again, and then even your original stuff feels derivative. Like, just on face value, Wish feels very, isn't it Disney? Isn't that the whole story of it? I think there might be something to that.

It's like, this is the world where, like, wishes get doled out to every little Disney world, you know, or something like that. I guess I gotta, you know, do my due diligence and see it more. But like, I don't know, like, usually, like, I'm more excited. But I think that there's just something going on where every single like big IP for Disney, like Star Wars, like Marvel, like, even though the Disney princesses and like that whole thing, it just feels like it's all kind of just like collapsing in on itself where I guess they can put all the money to the theme parks because that IP there feels very special and new because you're experiencing

it, but it's not getting people to elect to go to the movies because it doesn't feel like there's not a lot of pull to, I feel like I've barely even seen Wish promoted. Well, you don't follow Ariane DuBose on Instagram. I think I do. Oh, okay. Well, then you have no excuse. I guess I do. God, talking about Disney like this makes me think that Kingdom Hearts

really is the perfect case study in this because it peaked and then it really fucking fell. It really kind of all like burst at the seams in a way that was just like, what was that all for? It's like,

let's celebrate all the Disney things and remix it with this new crazy like Final Fantasy element. And like, it worked until it immediately stopped.

Because there were so many titles, it was impossible to keep up with it. Like literally, this is like, it is a microcosm for what's happening on a larger scale. This is my theory. And I'm on to something here.

Kingdom Hearts, what happened with the Kingdom Hearts series, and they're making a fourth one, whatever. But what happened with the Kingdom Hearts series is the perfect, small thing of what's happening, I think, with, let's say, Disney as a whole. It's really interesting. Like, it was just so convoluted. You needed to watch, like, a 25-minute movie before you could play the third one that came out a few years ago. It's just, like, at what point do we, like,

just, like, congeal things and, like, make things more digestible? Yeah, because there's a lot of asking people to buy into these universes, and the universes are just so... Like, I actually read a Wikipedia. I read the Wikipedia of the plot of the Marvels. And I was just like, what?

Why can't this just be these three ladies kick ass? Why can't this just be Mama's sleigh? Mama's sleigh? Literally, the Marvels should have just been Mama's sleigh. Mama's sleigh. It would have been so funleigh it would have been so fun it would have been incredibly fun

it's like you can only slay in a certain universe because when you slay too hard in universe B universe C is not so slay wait

what are those little green guys those aliens bitch don't talk to me I don't don't we need a Mama's Sleigh

movie so badly we need this decade's version of Charlie's Angels full throttle. We need Mama Slay the movie now. What has been Mama Slay recently that has popped up? May December? Barbie. I used to say Barbie.

I said May December. First of all, describing May December as Mama Slay is so dark. Barbie is not even Mama Slay. I think Barbie is Mama Slay. I think Barbie is Mama Slay. I think Barbie is Mama's All Around the World Slay. And that's actually really culture number 100. Barbie is Mama's All Around the World Slay. No, Barbie is...

I used to float. Now I just fall down. See, that... Beautiful. ...is beautiful and timeless and simple. You know what I'm saying? Billy... This is my favorite Billie lyric ever, is, I don't know how to feel, but I want to try.

That is the whole movie. Because I don't know how to feel. She's, I don't know how to feel, but also she literally does it. She's a toy. Yeah. But she wants to try. My favorite Billie Eilish lyric is,

I'm a bad guy talk about an artist I love Billie love Billie love Billie Billie for the pod I think she'd be excellent I think she would have fun

she's good vibes I just looked at our producer I said yeah book her book Billie come on but just Billie

no no Phineas parents just get her in here Yeah. Book her. Book Billie. Come on. But just Billie. No. No Phineas. Parents. Just get her in here. We want. Just us and Billie. We want to talk to Billie and really help her figure out her newfound lesbianism. Is she a lesbian now?

She said that she's attracted to women, but she's intimidated by them. And you think that we could help her figure that out? Yes. I think we're the perfect strippers to lesbianism. I thought you said we're the perfect strippers. And strippers. I think we strip for her, and then she definitely will become a lesbian. She'll be like, all right, now I know I'd be gay.

Taxi! Oh, my God. That would be so fun. She is so stunning as an artist. You know, this has been an episode that has gone all sorts of directions. I think we really slayed it. I think we slayed it. I think this was Mama's Slay. I think we're boob gays. We're boob gays on both

sides of the coin where you have the boobs if you were woman and I if you were woman. You'd be an appreciator. Well, if you were femme presenting, you would have boobs. Huge. And you'd be boob gay in that regard. I'm boob gay in the fact that I'm purveyor presenting, you would have boobs. Huge. And you'd be boob gay in that regard. I'm boob gay in the fact that I am purveyor of boobs and I appreciate boobs.

And with this thought, we do end every episode of the song. I used to float. Now I just fall down. I used to know. But I'm not sure now what I was made for. What was I made for? This episode is called Boob Gaze. When did it end?

Oh, no enjoyment. I'm sad again. Don't tell my boyfriend. It's not what he's made for. What was I made for? Bye.

Hey everybody, it's Matt, and I'm very excited to let you know that my debut album, Have You Heard a Christmas, is out Friday, November 3rd. Stream it everywhere and anywhere you do that and order the vinyl online now. I've also got new merch and tickets to my tour at www.mattrogersofficial.com, starting December 1st in Philly and wrapping up December 23rd in New York City. Again, check out www.mattrogersofficial.com

for all the new music, merch, and tour info. Very exciting. It's officially Christmas. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba?

Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home, and he wanted to take his son with him. Or stay with his relatives in Miami? Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski. And we are super excited to tell you about our new show, Dudes on Dudes.

We're spilling all the behind-the-scenes stories, crazy details, and honestly, just having a blast talking football. Every week, we're discussing our favorite players of all times, from legends to our buddies to current stars. We're finally answering the age-old question, what kind of dudes are these dudes? We're going to find out Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season.

Listen to dudes on dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story

from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. I was a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Trust me, you won't want to miss this one.