Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Boobs and Alphapussy" (w/ Gina Gershon)

Episode Date: June 3, 2026

The legendary Gina Gershon joins Matt and Bowen to discuss concerts, chance encounters with Sarah Vaughan and whether it's better have a Solly Bowles who can actually SING. After sharing about her beautiful friendship with Laurie Anderson and Lou Reed, the boys embark on very educational demos on being an Alphapussy (title of memoir AND ep...) with varying degrees of success. Plus some fiery IDTSHs on film ratings, tacky billionaire boobs and Waymos. Read the book and watch "Bound" on Criterion you brown-rice-and-vegetable freaks!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Look, Matt. Where? Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las cultureistas.

Ding dong, Las Culturistas calling. A couple things to just call out right away. My girl is still going through it. I will not let it affect my job. No, and I never thought you would, and that is a testament to your professionalism, your talent. There's a lot of that in the room today, and we'll get to it. There's a lot of that in the room.

I wanted to dress in my Gina Gershawn drag today. You kind of did. But I think I look like Wonkar-Y or John Wu. I look like, my life looking like a, like my life of John Wu movie. No, my life of Wong-Car-Y movie, because it's green. These glasses is green. you said you look like a Chinese director

and I said maybe you will be one day maybe you're dressing for what you want to be in the world you could direct the way you order me around I don't know when knows at home is I'm constantly bound I'm in a bound situation bound and we face off after a cocktail

I never direct you you kind of don't but you do suddenly you do in ways that would be very alluring as an actor on a set I'm just saying the way you sort of, you know. Would your directorial style be? Very direct, loud. Kind of like, you, there, you, here.

No, here, here. No, no, I like to direct. Let me hear you, let me hear your best. Let's go again. Let's go again. That's really good. Wait, well. Yep.

Let's go again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's good. How about that? That's really good. Can I remain encouraging? Can I try? Go ahead.

Let's go again. Really good. No, our, no, Gina doesn't like it. No, that was a little bit, it was a little dismissive of everyone's world. Okay, hold on, I need some runway into it. Okay. Okay, cut, that was great. Let's go again and this time.

You've seen bored. No, no. I'm processing the no, I'm about to give. You know who's heard every version of this? Because she's worked with every single one of them in the industry. I was, I'm over 150 film credits, a film TV credits, spanning decades, and enduring versatile multi-hyphenate legend. You say her name and everyone straightens up their spine.

I can't because of my injury. No. But we're gonna, we, I just want everyone to know that as a result of our guest being here, we are hot on the trail to a cure because I knew our guest knew someone who was a bodywork professional and wouldn't you know it, Brian? Brian. You're a text away from fixing Bowen Yang. Not, not tonight.

We've got a full night ahead of us. And not to put pressure on you. Not to put pressure on you, Brian. No pun intended. Very good. She is somehow our dear friend. One of my, everyone talks about this friendship. Like, oh, last coach.

My favorite friendship is you and our guest. I can't believe this is real. Anyway, her fantastic new memoir, Alpha Pussy. Best title of the year. Best title of the year. How I survived the Valley and learn to love my boobs. And I want to talk boobs because I'm a boob game.

You always do. And I think you have an affinity for boobs as well. I love the guys. I love the gals. I love them. The front ass. I love those chesticles. Chesticles.

I love our guests so much. I can't believe she's finally here. We talked about this a while ago. Thank goodness. Everyone welcome. Gina Gershaw! Welcome to the chair. Oh my God.

It's so fun to watch you guys talk about. Let me just say one thing. Yes. I have to address a few things. that you said. First of all, John Wu, you would be only so lucky to look like him. He is, I think, hands down the most elegant director I've ever worked with on a set. Always just look just so. And even though he'd walk around going, oh, I need more money. I'm like, you have $99 million, John, is that enough? But he would always look so, like, sexy

and sophisticated and cool. And that is how Boen Yang would be as a director, I think. Sophisticated. I'm doing that every day in my damn. I think you look. I think you look really good. I didn't know you were trying to do me in this. What's the shirt? Thank you for calling out the shirt. I've worn this before, but it's Celine.

Of course. It looks really good. We are going to go. We're recording this on Tony Nam's Day. Very excited. Congrats, Titanic. Congratulations, you guys. Thank you so much.

The show is fantastic. I was there opening night. Oh my God. Because you were, because you texted me. Are you going to be there? I wasn't going to bring it up. You guys were there. We had to miss opening night.

of Titanic. Like, are you going to be there? And he's like, we're at Coachella. We were at Coachella. But that looked like a fun, fucking name. It was so, I hadn't seen the show.

Really? Yeah, so it was my first time. Review, thoughts? I thought it was just so fun. Yes. Everyone's having the best time. And it's just, it's pure, it's everything you want it to be.

It's the coolest because we saw it when it started at the old UCB Theater, but it wasn't the UCB Theater anymore. It was in the basement of Her Gristidis. What was that? theater called? It was called Asylum. Asylum theater, tiny, tiny, not that many seats. The one on 27th or 26? 26th. Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. 26th and it used to be the old UCB. And then Matt came on this podcast, uttered the words.

You have to go see Titanic. I, I, we were so, it was the first person I thought of was him because of Celine and Titanic. French Canadian legends. Yeah. But it's, it's, it's, she's just the best. And it's one of those things that you know was born out of love for making people laugh and feel good. And that's why I'm so proud of it because it doesn't feel corporate. It made it like the little engine that could. And also it's like just watching it.

You're just so, you feel that. And I kind of knew it. And you're like, oh my God, I'm at there opening night on Broadway. And you could tell they were all like, what? I can't believe we're here. So that was really special.

Yeah. You could do Celine, I think. You could play Celine in that show. Ah, could I sing Celine? It's a little high. If you've done Sally Bowls, You can do Celine Dion. No, but Sally, yeah, except I always had the cushion of Sally.

Because when I first started doing it, they're like, you know, she doesn't really need to sing. And I'm like, oh, honey, I'm singing the songs. And we appreciate it when Sally can sing. Right? I mean, and he's like, yeah, but she shouldn't. And he's like, and she shouldn't really dance. I'm like, I can deconstruct the dancing. That'll be fun to do.

But, you know, you just want to sing the shit out of it. Why wouldn't they want you to dance, though? Because you're well-regarded documented dancer. Except because in the Sam Mendez version of cabaret, I mean, Sally Bowles traditionally wasn't that good. Right. You know, and so she was a little screechy or she was like kind of, so I'd mess up some of the dance music and just kind of like, oh, you know, and like, you catch it up.

And, you know, one time, though, I, oh my God, the scariest moment. And this is the first time, this is the only time this is really, really, really happened to me because I only had, they gave me three weeks, you know, before. And I said, listen, I don't, I've never, like, come in to replace someone on a show. So I just said, listen, all I care is that I get one day with Sam Mendes. I said, I just, I will do everything. You tell me where to go, but like, let me just do my own thing. And Sam's like, and I'm like, if you want me to go here instead, I'll do it.

Just give me a shot to do my own thing, right? Of course. And so, and I came in two weeks because I was away on a vacation, but one of the women I was with, she had Sally's voice. I'm like, oh, great. I'll just work on my accent. I'll work on my songs. And I'll go in and I'll have all that stuff in my head. Anyway, the first night, everyone was like,

are you nervous? Are you nervous? I'm like, no, no, I'm fine. Just tell me where to go. I don't get nervous. I just get like, shoes are here, entrances here. You know, but it was as, you know, I was going on, that little voice is like, you are singing and dancing on Broadway. How do you know you remember?

I'm like, shut the fuck up. I can't listen to you right now. Just get out of my, it's like, what if you, I don't want to hear, I don't want to talk to you. Anyway, I make it. through, but about like five or six days later, I was on doing like, don't tell mama. And I had friends in the audience as well. Blank.

Literally. And all of a sudden, like, the words just went like, and I just said, just keep dancing. I was like, all of a sudden I was in Singapore or somewhere. I just started singing something, but like, and adding a little crackle to it. And it's in case someone's noticing it like, oh, there must be something wrong with the thing. So I was like, hey, right. And then until I finally found my way again. No one knew.

Like I said backstage. They're like, are we in Singapore? Because I did. For some reason, I started singing in Nandria or something. But you were compelling and you kept telling a story. And you know what? It just goes to show. If you just sell it and I kept the tune and I kept the dance,

it like no one knew. The audience is stupid. They're not stupid. But wait. But are you also saying? But they don't know all the words. But are you also saying that like Sally in character would probably do that kind of thing, maybe? Maybe they thought, oh, that nutty Sally.

I was just thinking, oh, blame the technology. So I was like, cracking. They were like, oh, it was so great. But then I couldn't understand, you know, when the crackling in the mind, I know that mic, that mic today really fucked me up. But I kept going. So I don't know what I was doing. This was the track that was set by Natasha Richardson originally. Yeah.

So it's interesting because, of course, the one that's been, that has been going, was started in the West End and Jesse Buckley originated it. And that one is more sung. Like, she's definitely, she's got a great voice. She's got an unbelievable voice. And I feel like it only, if you don't know, if you didn't know, you didn't know,

but now people are really knowing the breadth of what she can do vocally. She's incredible. Unbelievable, but I will say, it does feel really nice to hear that score really sung well. And I know that that's a common refrain about Sally Bowles. Like, well, you know, it doesn't happen

to be, it's better if it is. It's better. I mean, with those songs, it's a shame not to. I mean, I saw one actress doing them who really couldn't sing. I will not name who it was. And it kind of bummed me out. Yeah. I was just like, you know what? Like, maybe you sing it well and every now and then you could do an oopsie on purpose. You know, you could, you can orchestrate that a little bit, but I don't know, especially like maybe this time, which wasn't the, like, it's such a gorgeous song. It's beautiful. I don't want to not sing it. Yeah. You know, but anyways. But that was. But that was. one of the only moments that's happened

where it went fully. Oh yeah. What do you think was happening? I don't know. I think I got too cocky. Like, oh, two weeks I got this. Broadway, I'm nailing this. And I went out, and it just, something just went, boom, and I'm like. Terrifying. Yeah, it was kind of terrifying. But, you know, your brain

goes, does somersaults. And so, I made it work, and no one was the wiser, except backstage. Except backstage. They were just like, so are we in Singapore now? Like, did the show? We are I'm not sure of what you did. And I don't know why that was my go-to place to go. You were communing with something. Just something came through me.

Something came through. Was it just that number or did it continue? No, it was just like eight bars or maybe 16 bars. Yeah. Of Don't Tell Mama. I am shocked that, I mean, must be an adrenaline thing, but there was one time at SNL when I felt like I was getting pushed out for a weekend update. And something, something like flashed.

It was an intrusive. something where I was like, I'm going to faint. And my head is going to slam into the desk on live television. Do you remember what bit? It was like, um, trade daddy. So early. Early. It was like my second time.

I was like, hey. And then I was like, oh, what if I just, I'm lightheaded? What if I just passed out on live television? And I'm like, I don't think it's ever happened before on that show at least. do you have like a they probably would have laughed and applaud I know everyone would have

because I feel like because it's such a controlled atmosphere everyone would assume it's part of the bit I don't know Maybe you were dehydridge Until they realized If I fully went unconscious I probably was dehydrid

If I went fully unconscious and slammed head first into the desk People would be like Oh my God That is so unprofessional Of him Or Bowen Yang is a committed sketch performer

The way his head exploded Have you, you've had moments where you've thought, oh no, something's gotten horribly wrong. I mean, there, I guess during, during the Christmas show when I'm touring, it's kind of just like, everyone's kind of like whatever anyway. We're all just there for a good time. In a high-stakes situation, I remember during my S&L audition, I felt, I remember I couldn't feel the blood in my feet. That was the first time I ever had that happened. I couldn't feel the blood in my feet and I realized I wasn't breathing. So I was like, oh, God, remember to breathe.

or you're going to lose circulation. Breathe into your toes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then, like, the thing about that experience is it is the most intense audition experience you can possibly have. So after that, it's kind of hard to get stage fright or feel unprepared because of how intense that shit is. I'm kind of mad I never did that. I wish I had started my whole career doing S&L. I always wanted to do comedy, but then I went into a different thing.

My mom kept saying, you really should be doing comedy. I'm like, no, I'm going to be a really serious actor. So I can't do that right now. But why is it so intense? Because all I keep saying is like, why can't I host? I want a host. And then you bring me in. Like every now and then I get brought in.

Yours was the most fun. The bow and straight. Oh, yeah. I mean, come on. I know. Every time Gina coming in looking, I'm sorry. I don't mean to have jettify you and make this about your appearance. Ravishing.

But I'm always like, oh my God. Like, I'm in love with you. And then we get to make out. Well, you are the gay icon in many ways. I mean, like the thing is I think people. one of the things like the word underrated is thrown around so much like but the thing is like you really don't get the credit for like how the place that you hold in like queer audience's minds or maybe you do feel like that is a common thing that's said to you but you feel like it's over indexed like you're like oh the only people who come up to me are gay man no that's not true that's not true no because you have such a wide audience I mean a lot of gay men do but I also have like you could tell which movies for if it's a face off it's like the straight men.

Yeah. Bound is the lesbian. Showgirls, the gay men. And then the teens and the Gen Z is Riverdale. Riverdale. And theater goers. Theater. Well, then there's people who just have seen me do music or they know like the other

books. Like they don't, they get confused. They're like, oh, I really like him. I'm like, right. They're like, wait, you act? And I'm like, yeah, I do that. Like, I have different weird worlds. Yeah.

You know what I mean? You've got video game. You've got gamers now after Borderlands who are probably like. I think if Borderlands had done a little bit better. I don't know. It was a little bit. I wish I wanted that to do great. I know, but it's, you can't control that, but you and Kate had a blast. So much fun. She's so much fun. I'm going to do, you know what you and I did, the How To Academy. Here in New York, I'm doing that with Kate in London.

Amazing. That was an amazing night, by the way. Wasn't that fun? You were incredible. I was so, I've been really lucky because I've had really good friends, you know. You've been amazing. I did one with Linda Perry in Los Angeles. and as we're walking on, you know, to do, you know, she's like, you know, Jen, I didn't read the book. I'm like, what? I said, wait, what do you mean? He didn't read the book.

She goes, you know, it takes me a really long time to read the book. I'm like, well, so do you want me to, Jen, no, no, no, we'll be fine. I'm like, oh. Should I let you know about me? I said, you can't talk about other things you know about me. And then she just like, gosh, she goes, oh, this book is so good. Let's just open up vampires. What do you think about vampires?

It was the funniest talk. Ever. I mean, it was fine. I mean, it's so funny you say that. I just fell down a Linda Perry Rabbit Hole the other night because I was, for some reason, the writing of Beautiful popped into my mind. And it's this gorgeous story about how Linda had written that for herself. Yeah. And, you know, it ended up.

Christina. Her heart, like, went over her shoulder and was like, what's that song? I want to record that came in. They used the raw vocal. It was Christina's first take. First take. And now Linda's coming out. She's singing again.

And so she's, have you heard her version of it? No, but I need to do that. You must. You must. It's out? It's, I think it came out like this month or it's coming out this month. Right. And she's sound, she's, you know, to me, Linda, when I first met her, I didn't meet her first.

I heard her because we were at the same show singing. And I was going on after whoever this Linda Piero is, I'm just like singing my song. And I hear this voice. And I'm just like, what the fuck? What's going on there? And I'm like, you need to turn my voice. volume up because her voice is so big. I'm like, how does she sing so? I was like, oh my God. Power. She's got to me one of my favorite voices of female rock and rollers. And then I went and

afterwards, I didn't know. I was just trying to write music because the pray for rock and roll is coming out. And then I had to go on tour and I'm like, oh my God, I got to write music because those songs didn't work. And I said, I said to Matt Sorum, who's the Guns and Roses. I said, who's that girl. That's who I want to write with these like, yeah, get in line. I didn't realize she was so sought after. So I met her that night. I said, I just have a feeling. I said, I really want to write with you.

She's like, yeah, like you and everyone else. And then she says, I, what's the word, stalked her? Because I kind, what's that word that I called? I kept saying, no, no. I said, just give me an hour. Give me an hour. And if we don't have fun, then we could, we'll have fun for an hour. Like, then you could kick me out.

Yeah. This is incredible. Yeah. This reminds me of the Sam Mendez thing where you're like, give me one blank. Yeah. Give me one blank with this person. And if it doesn't work out, then it'll be fine. But it seems like you tend to, you tend to really get it in the pocket.

Well, Sam had already offered me the part. Right. Right. Which is like, there's a whole story in the book about that, which is really funny. That deals with Joe Montello, who just got nominated for director and for his show, Death of Salesman. So good. So great. and I mean, I literally was like,

I need to start like doing musicals now because I just moved into an apartment of a singer and I'm like, I used to be a song and dance girl. I don't know why we were so wasted. We couldn't remember why. And then I was like, yeah. Just New York. It was just weird.

It was out. And it was so long ago that you have like phone message machines. So by the time I got, I said, no, Joe, I think I need to start doing musicals. I was just a song and dance girl all the time. And then I just went away from it. I get home and I hear like, you know, Gene at the high, this is Sam Mendes. I think he'd be brilliant, you know, doing, you know, cabaret. And I'm like, bad Joe, so funny.

You thought it was Joe doing an impression of Sam Mendes? I was wasted. I was like, how did he get home so soon? Bam, my head hits a pillow. And the next day, I'm like, I listen to it again. I'm like, God, he really does a good English accent. I listen to it again. I'm like, I don't know.

I think this might actually be Sam. Wow. It was Sam. And then I called Joe right away. I'm like, you gamble. it. And he was like, no. I said, yeah. That's the thing about having such talented friends. You never know when people are doing an impersonation. Because everyone's a whiz. Everyone's a whiz. I never know when he calls me who it is.

Yeah, yeah. I'm so good at impressions. As we all know. No, I'm not. But you do not. You do know, this is all a testament. You do, like, you do, like, have the coolest connections. Like, and, like, it's because you are in excess of that. Like, you're involved in the coolest stuff. You take risks. Like, just, like, just. hearing about how bound came together and the belief that had to go into that being the success that it was just the collaboration

that has followed and I think been a theme yeah I think I have it's like I have a certain knack like I could read people quickly I'm one of those people if in a room they come in and right away I'm like do do do do do not in a judgey way I just I like them or I don't yep like there's an energy thing

or like that person stay away from you know and I think with I really like, I just have a thing for really talented people. Even if I don't know what they do, I'm like, oh, that person's so great. I just like, there's something that they have, whatever it is they do. Is a feeling you have or a sense you get from them? It's just an energy, it's like a frequency or something. Did you and I meet at Carnegie?

No, we met. It's so weird the night we met. We didn't share scenes in Nora from Queens. I remember it was such a big day when Nora was like, oh my God, Gina Gershanna's coming in today. Oh my, I was like, oh my, I was like, oh my God, we got Gina. Oh, that was that was great. I didn't meet you there.

No. It was not there. We, we, I mean, no, because I was writing that movie. Yes. And I remember, like, there was a character. And I've never done this before. And also I kept thinking, what, and you came into my mind. I'm like, okay, just pretend it's Bowen Yang and write it for that.

I'm like, oh. Amused. I'm like, wow, it's amazing. Yeah, really amused. And then there was a, I don't know who was on SNL that night, but I was at the party. It was later. night. And then I said, oh, my, and I saw you.

I'm like, oh, my God, you've been in my head all day. And then we just talked about, and we like had a love in. And then that was it. And then we didn't see each other until Joan Baez or Lori was like, you guys go out and dance on Carnegie Hall. And then that was the week where we wrote, we brought back Bowen Strait. No, that was the first one. That was the first one.

So we wrote it for Dakota Johnson. It didn't go. Oh. And then we did a. repass on it when Sydney-Sweeney hosted. And then Gary Richardson, our friend, goes, I think it'd be really cool if Bowen, if Bowen's girlfriend, like, whatever,

like situationhip was with, like, like, this hot woman like Sydney, like that Sydney should get jealous of. Like, what about Gina Gershahn? And it was like, I just sang with her on stage at Carnegie Hall on Monday. Lori Anderson and Joan Baez. Put us together.

That's crazy. It was so dumb. It was so dumb. But wait, how did you and Lori meet? Lori and I, we met through Lou. Because I met Lou through Dave Stewart, who I met on showgirls, kind of saved my life during that time, which was insane. And Dave was playing with Lou, I think it was on Letterman one night.

And he's like, oh, why did you come, you know, and we'll go out after it or something. Like Lou Reed was performing on Letterman? Lou Reed, Dave Stewart, Bootsie Collins. It was like they were a supergrouper. I don't know what they were, but Dave, like, just come and then we'll go out afterwards. And it happened to be Lou Reed's birthday. And he's like, I feel like going downtown and, like, you know, playing at some dive bar or something. And I'm like, oh.

That's a good Lou Reed impression. Thank you. I do do good impressions. And so we all went down. I happened to have my Jews harp because I always usually have. In fact, I can't believe I didn't bring it today. I was raised out. It's okay.

And so they were all going to play in some dingy bar, and I just said, hey, I've got this. And he was like, yeah, come on up and play. So I played with those guys. And I was like, Bootsie Collins, oh, my God. And then when I was doing cabaret, I'm attaching all the things. I love it. He was coming. I had met Hal.

I can't remember how I met Howe. But Hal and Lou came to see me do Sally because Lou is doing a project and I think Hal said, oh why don't we, Gina can maybe help us with actors or something. You know, he was doing the, the Edgar Allan Poe's The Raven.

Oh, wow. And so I was so nervous that I'm like, Lou Reed's coming here night. I'm like, oh my God, I've got a fucking, like, I didn't really know Hal that well. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and anyway, so we did it. I sang the shit out of it.

And of course they came up and I was, and Louis, Lou's like, you know, I fucking hate musicals. And I'm like, ah, he said, but you know, that was pretty cool. He goes, you sang on key the whole time. And I was like, is that bad? Like they make me, like they make me sing. He's like, no, no, I was, how do you do that?

Yeah. And I said, you know, it's Broadway. You kind of have to. Like, I'm so sorry. Like, I was like, but anyway, we became, we became friends. It was kind of a nightmare doing the project, because I brought in a bunch of friends and everyone was like,

oh my God, Lou Reed, and they would do a reading and I'd be like, and he'd be like, can you just, I don't know, can you just be better? I'm like, ah, you can't talk to people like that? I said, we kind of like... Lou would say that? Yeah.

Oh, sure, sure, sure. He doesn't mince swirls, and of course, the other actors were like, oh, my God. But then we just, Lou and I became pals. And, like, Lori was always on tour, and so we'd do, like, Eagle Claw together, or we'd go like eat food. You know, he was really fun to eat food because he's such a New York life.

And then, but, you know, and one day he goes, you know, Lori, you should meet Lori. I'm like, yeah, I would really like to meet Lori. Not telling him that Lori was like my idol. Like she was, I mean, yeah, Lou Reed's cool, but I was like, like Lori Anderson. And so, and I was also a little nervous because I'm sure she's thinking, who's this chick, like hang out with my guy all the time, right? Even though it was like, but you know, like we'd never met and Lou and I, we were hanging out, you know. It's a thing.

And so she was, so he said, just come on over, you know, she's, you know, here. And as soon as I walked in, you know, she's there with her little dimples in her dog, she goes, oh, hi, it's so nice to meet you. And she's just a slice of, I don't know, she's otherworldly. She's just so, you talk about an energy and a frequency. Immediately I'm just like, I love you. Like I want to be like around you all the time. But we really didn't, after Lou died, we didn't really, we met, we accidentally met at some thing, some reading at some Tibetan thing. I don't know what it was.

I can't remember. And I just said, you know, hey, how are you doing? And she just seemed lost to me. She's like, I don't know. I said, are you lost? And she just seemed so vulnerable. I just wanted to hug her. she's like, yeah, yeah.

I said, well, you know, I'm here if you want to like, you know, take a walk or if you want to go to dinner or a movie. She's like, could we go to India? And I'm like, yeah, Lori Anderson, sure I'll go to India with you. When we never went to India, we came to. You have to. You got to fulfill that prophecy. I know. But we just became really close and she's been a big influence in my life.

Yeah, that's beautiful. She's been very helpful to me in so many ways. You were prepared to, like, offer that friendship to her in that moment, though. Like, maybe, like, years before that, it would have been, you would have felt to, you would not have maybe felt brave enough to, like, be like, we should, do you need anything? You look lost? Do you, like, I think that, that takes a lot of courage. But she wasn't, like, Lori Anderson to me at that moment.

She was just, like, a very pure, present, like, beautiful. energy that just felt really vulnerable. And I just felt like, oh my God, I need to, I want to protect her. You know what I mean? Yeah. I forgot about all that other stuff. I mean, and I do. I have so many, I do have friends who are so talented.

I just love them and then I go to see them perform and I'm like, holy shit, they're really incredible. Like, oh my God, I forget. Like they're embodying a different energy. Yeah. Yeah. But I think I'm friends with some of these people, you know, because I don't treat them like that and we are just like this and every now and then I'm like holy shit I'm glad I became friends

with them before I started watching them else maybe I would have been too weirded out yeah interesting I that I that's amazing that uh through cabaret though through Hal bringing Lou and how it all sort of yeah transpired that way but I oh I'm going to 54 tonight to see Rocky I'm dying to go it's great it's great but wait juliet's in there yes she's perfect she's the best I can't wait there's Something about you performing at Studio 54 that feels just so, so scrumptious. Yeah, that probably was really fun. That's where Cabaret was. I know, right.

I'm saying like, like, you being there, like, feels very powerful. Like, it's, it was amazing. It's New York on New York. It's just like, oh. They did the revival of that as well in that theater. I was at opening night of that with Alan Cumming and Michelle Williams. Uh-huh. Which, and just to see that staging again was, and I'm so happy that space got graced by his vision

of it again, because that was also. San Mendes. Yes. Did it again. It was also great because like the first, the tables were like right there. Love that. And people were drinking and getting wasted. And so like you could really react to, you know, some people.

And it just felt like it just made the whole atmosphere. It was a really shocking production, I thought. It was incredible. Like it was, it was so cinematic. And I was like, yeah, truly, you know, this, he obviously directs film and he brought that to the space. I just, it was the first. first time I saw a space really transformed. And, you know, now they do it all the time, like Jamie Lloyd, the way that he transforms

the space. Yeah. But how much you can transform that space? It was also like you'd walk in the theater and like the Kit Kat girls. They were just so sleazy. I love that immersive element. And like, it smelled so nasty. Like you were just in it.

You know what I mean? It felt really. It was, that was a really special production. No, they transformed it. They also did it in the West End and then which they also brought to New York. but it's such an important, great, enduring show. Yeah. It's just one of my favorites.

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Gina Gershahn, what is the culture that means you say culture was for you? I was thinking about this, and I thought, God, this is a really good question. Thank you. Yeah, but it's a hard question, because I'm like, what exactly does mean? And the only thing that kept coming up in different forms was I remember not so much, I remember when I was younger and I saw my first theater piece

and I just thought like, whoa, these are magic people. like on stage. But I remember when my uncle took me to my first concert and I was like six. And it was like three dog night or something. But I'd never been to a big concert. Yes. And everyone sort of like lighting their lights

and everyone was singing at the same time. It was so communal. And it was so like, I just felt like this is really important. And I just went to go see, I mean, so many concerts, like people don't know each other, and they're all singing together. I just saw, you know, Noel and Gallagher.

I was just going to say, I just, I kind of, I wish that I had gone to the Oasis show. Yeah. I went to the Oasis show in London, right? And I have to say, there were so many, like, it was like real bro culture. Of course it is. Right? Bros.

But these guys were like, mm, and drinking their beers. But then in the middle of songs, they're like turning around to strangers and hugging each other and everyone's high-fiving. And I'm like, what is going on?

This is so beautiful. Like on a different time, Maybe they would have been fighting or it would have been too agro or too macho. And I love that as a culture because it's the only one that I really have witnessed, even more so than being like at a culty thing or a guruy thing because there's something fake to me about that. But that really people like love each other and it's they come together and they sing together and all different walks of life. It's spiritual.

It's spiritual. It can soften even an agro guy like what you're describing. It can soften them to the point of just full tenderness. Yes. Sports can't do that. Like guys that I would like watching going, God, this will be rough, let's leave this place early because this is going to get gnarly, you know, like.

Just like literally hugging each other, hugging strangers, turning around quick, oh. And I thought it softened them and it gave them a commonality on a spiritual level. Yeah. And everyone's singing together. I just think there's nothing like it. Yeah, you lock eyes with someone.

and you're having a real, there is like a little relationship in that moment and a shared thing. Yes. It's cool. And even if people like, if you've seen concerts in different countries, right, with people singing, if it's, you're in Japan or in Turkey, wherever you are, even people who don't speak English, they know all the words. Yep.

Right? And everyone's singing to, and it's just like, this is so incredible. It doesn't like your race, your creed, your color, whatever it is, like where everyone is meeting in a common, beautiful space. Well, you are the perfect person to ask this sort of cliche question, but I have a feeling you're going to have a cool answer, a bespoke answer. What was the live music moment of your life? Like, do you remember your best, you're not your first, not necessarily best, but like what was the formative music, live music concert or moment for you? I feel, I knew like three things popped in my head all at the same time. Love that.

Well, I think that first concert, when it was just like, whoa. Who was on stage again? Three dog night. Three dog night. One is a lonely's number. One is the longest number. I was like six. I was little.

Yeah. Wow. I remember, I remember, well, God, like they're flooding into my head now. Yeah. I remember like the first concert I went to on my own. Like, you know, I think one of our mothers drove us or something, you know, but like it was Jethro Tull. Wow.

And I just remember feeling cool because I'm like, I'm at a show without my parents or my sister or brother. The atmosphere was like something that like made you empowered. It just, it was just me going to a show with my friends that made me feel cool, you know. But I remember I, I, you know, it's so funny. I can't remember what I talk about in the book or not anymore because it's all starting to mingle in my head. You know your life story.

It's your life. Yeah. Well, it's just little weird moments. but, you know, I can't remember what I actually put in the book and what I didn't put in the book. You tell me what you think was in the book, and I'll tell you. Did I mention when, you know, my uncle was a, you know, he was a musician. He had orchestras and he was a jazz guy, and he was doing some sort of show.

I used to go to, like, you know, he used to do the Grammys, and I'd go to, like, the rehearsals when they'd all dressed in their jeans. Yeah, I love that. And, like, they were normal, like, and I thought, oh, my God, they're, like, normal people, and they're so cool. and then you see them perform, you're like, okay, so there's two people. There's some of your performance people, and then like you're just wearing your jeans and your sneakers people.

So that was cool, but I remember, I don't remember what it was for. I was little. I think my mom just dropped me off. And he was having people come up and sing on stage. And I was really tired. And there was a beautiful kind of a black woman in a dress, and she didn't have her shoes on. And she was sitting there.

And I just remember, like, going like, I was so tired. I just kind of went over and, like, laid next, like, laid on her, kind of, you know, a little bit. Because she just felt so warm to me and beautiful. And so I was leaning against her, and she just put her arm around me. And she just started humming. And I remember going, like, whoa. Like, it was humming, but it went through my whole body. Wow.

And then he was just like, all right, you know, hey, Sarah, come on up. and, you know, my woman, she went on stage. She went on stage to sing. And I remember thinking, oh, that lady's not wearing any shoes, like an adult, like, who's not wearing any shoes going up on stage, you know, and then she started singing. And I'm just like, my person's a really good singer. Like, she was my person all of a sudden. I remember saying to Uncle Jack, like, I like her.

Like, I think she can really sing. He's like, yeah, that's Sarah Vaughn. She's a wonderful singer. God. But like, but I, she hummed and like, it hummed through my body.

Wow. I'd never, like I'd never seen, heard a voice like that. How old were you at the, when, within this happened? I must have been six.

I was a skinny little thing. I mean, I literally just like plot myself like this on her and she just kind of, you know, I was little enough to not have any shame.

Like, I don't know you, but you look cozy. I'm like laying next, I'm like laying on you, basically. This is in L.A.? Yeah. This is,

and your uncle, so he, he, he's in the know because he's, He's scoring all these things. He's written all these. Wrote the Charlie's Angels theme song. He wrote,

my uncle is the coolest guy I ever knew. He started off before I was born. Obviously, he was in Paris living, get this, with Quincy Jones. They were studying under the same people, like these hot guys in their 60s. I mean, in 1960s, Burr-Back rack was around as well, too. I'm always like, well, Quincy, I used to tell me stories. He's like, mm-mm. Yeah.

And I'm like, you, motherfucker, you don't remember. Just tell me something. But they, anyway, he was playing, they were all studying jazz. And so he was playing in some little bar. And then Judy Garland saw him. She brought him to the States to become her arranger. And then from that, Jack? Jack, my uncle.

And then he ended up doing TV and, like, variety shows. And then he ended up starting to, you know, he did like Barney Miller and Charlie's Angels. And where's Papa? The jerk, and like he did... Charlie's Angels is a bop. Right? That is... That is a bop.

That is enduring. That's when he got into that. Remember I had that sound. But then his real love was, you know, he had an orchestra that he put all these great musicians together, the jazz symphonic orchestra. And so they would, you know, showcase new, you know, arrangements and new composers. And he'd have shows and it was really fun. I put forth like a pretty...

flawed thesis at your How to Academy in Q&A. I was reading the book and I was like, I think the common thread here is that men were disgusting towards you, your whole life. And I want to take that back because I feel like I am not accounting for the men who were

who really like opened your eyes to things and saw you for who you were as this talented, amazing person. Well, you were just talking about because of like the Valley stories. The Valley stories of like child masters. Like it's like the child messers and all the rapists and stuff like growing up in the valley when the porn industry was being created which meant that there were not exactly boundaries

it was a very toxic world and it was either the helicopter parent hadn't been in vented yes was like you know be home gg before six and i'm like okay nothing bad can happen yeah we grew up in that moment like i think we were one of the last i mean i'm sure it still happens but like i remember i remember like okay just like we would just run off for miles yeah as long as we were home by like six but even that i remember my dad being like at the time of that being true, like you take your bike out and go wherever. My dad was like, you know, I used to ride my bike to Shea Stadium, hop the fence.

Oh my God. And we lived on Long Island. And like he would just ride his bike for like a long way. And hop the fence at Shea. No one was none the wiser by himself as a kid. Oh my gosh. To see a concert or?

No, to watch the Mets play. And how old? Seven, eight, nine years old. Like young. It was a different sort of world. I mean, now everyone's so. So, I mean, older than that,

probably like 11, 12, you know, still, but young, you're a child and you're, you're out there. So it's just like

the, the abandon with which you were able to live your life as a coming of age person in the, you know, in the valley at that time, it had to be like,

like a licorice pizza vibe. It's very much. I mean, I always tell, you know, Paul, I'm like, we have,

because we had similar upbrains. PTA, yeah. PTA. But, um, I said, I have like the female version.

I sent Maya and Paula book. I don't know if they've read it yet. But, you know, I'm like, this is like my is, it's my version with boobs. Yes. Like coming. But like the, you know, the waterbed store. We didn't have the licorice pizza. We had the other record store where I stole my first record.

Yeah. What I was thinking. I don't know. Led Zeppelin for it. Like an album. I stole the album under my thing. Yeah. I mean, crazy.

That was really nuts. But yeah, it was a different sort of time. And, you know, all those people were around. we just weren't aware of it. You know, so you kind of were left on your own devices. That's like kind of the whole, I started getting, I didn't realize I was right so much of that, but then the Valley stuff just started,

I'm like, why am I thinking of this? And then these memories started coming back. And I'm like, wow, it was kind of a gnarly childhood. And everyone's like, oh, how did you get so tough? And I'm like, well, God, I just, you almost had to be in order to survive, like bad situations. But when you're younger, you don't think about it as like, oh, I'm surviving.

You're just like, okay, don't get killed by that sky. Get out of here. These are bad guys. And just so you just go, go, go. And it wasn't until I started writing it. I'm like, wow. I was, I was really like slightly traumatized and kind of scared all the time. But you just had no time to be scared.

You just. Yeah, you're on alert the whole time. So there's no time to be like, I've had to be on alert. You're just on alert. You're just on alert. It's just like, danger, danger. Dube, boop. And it kind of gives you a sense of like danger at 2 o'clock,

cross the street over here. You know, so it was kind of, it was good training for like living in New York and then Hollywood, you know, and the rest of the world, you just all of a sudden know how to deal with weird stuff, you know. Well,

you talk about, I mean, this, that, the story behind Alpha Pussy being, well, why don't you tell it? How did you arrive at a title like this for everyone that's?

Yeah, because everyone thinks, ooh, alpha pussy, but it's really not. Yeah, they think it's maybe just salacious, but there's actually some,

there's real, strength in how you arrived. Yeah. Well, okay. So when I became aware of it, I just remember, and I became super aware of it, because I used to use the term and I used to like use the, I didn't know it was a philosophy until there was an aha moment when I remember

after I got in showgirls and I was really excited, you know, because it was like a big break for me and I got to dance and I got to play, ooh, I'm Margo now instead of Eve. In my head, it was all about Eve. Right? I'm like, ooh. And, you know, I was like, this is such a cool part. Like, and then I remember male like executives or agents, I'd go to parties.

And, you know, at that moment, like, you're in Hollywood like, oh, I finally have something cool that I'm doing. So when people are like, oh, what are you doing? Because that's what they always ask. And instead of feeling like a loser, I'm just like, oh, yeah, I'm doing showgirls. But they'd be like, hey, so I see you're doing show girls. And they would stare at my chest, go down my body. and I found myself like covering, like crossing my arms and getting very intellectual like, oh yes, you know, Paul Verif and his Dutch films are really incredible.

I'm going to spedders on me the way he moves. I'm thinking, what the fuck are you talking about as I was backing away and talking like this? Yeah. And about the fourth time that happened, I thought, what is going on? Like I'm actually really excited and I'm being made to feel weird and defensive. Minimizing yourself. Minimize myself and getting very, I mean, really like this. And I thought about, for some reason my cat flashed in my head, and I've always had male cats, like kind of wild, you know.

And the thing about a male kitten, especially if they're a little bit feral. Just a little bit. Just a little bit. Well, they're off the street. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're like rescue kitties. You know more than I do. I'm just making a stupid joke.

No, but they, I'm sure certain pedigree cats, maybe they don't do it. don't know. I've never had one. I'm obsessed with this philosophy though that you're about to describe. Okay. So anyway, the thing is when you have a wild cat, you know, they, you know, scratch you and they jump on you and they start, you know, wreaking havoc everywhere. And so I would like stare at the kitty and they would stare at me. Like when they're really little, you know, and you just like stare, stare, you have a staring contest. And if you look away for a second, they will fucking attack you. They like jump on your head. So you can't. So I would. So I would just stare, stare, stare,

and all of a sudden at some point they go, and they roll on their back. They cave. Therefore making me the alpha pussy. Gotcha. Right? And they will never, and they will never try to reclaim that.

They will, but like a certain boundary has been, and all of a sudden you can say no, and they, it's like how you break that energy. And I thought about it, and so the next time one of these guys came up to me and who's like, you know, ooh, show girls,

I just, I remember like looking him right in the eye and just saying, oh, yes, it could be so great. I'm going to be dancing naked, kissing guys, kissing girls. This would be so much fun. I was so nice, but I kept that eye contact, eye contact, and then he went, oh, yeah, that's cool. And he backed up and he looked away. And I thought, oh, my God, this is everything. I'm the alpha pussy. You got an alpha pussy the shit out of these situations.

And you know what? And it works. And I realize I do it a lot. You know who just did it recently? Not to bring in a whole other big energy, but she was talking about this moment. I'm like, oh, my God, Alpha Pushy, the shit out of that moment.

I mean, you can cut this part out if you want, but it gets kind of, you know, have you been following, did you follow the Giselle? Oh my God, how do you say? Pelico. Pellico? Pelico.

She's the woman. She's the woman, the French woman, who was married for like a zillion years, and then her husband, had been dosing her and raping her with different people, and she found out that it's a horrible story. This French woman, she's got kids and like this and that.

And then all of a sudden he gets arrested. She finds out not only had he been dosing her, right, but then like he'd been bringing all these people in to sleep with her and filming it. Horror. By the way, there's a whole weird culture going on out there about this, 65 million members on that. Isn't that insane?

Anyway, so of course, by the time she finds out, of course, you talk about betrayal and just like, what? They go to, to, they go to, the trial.

The trial. No, no. Oh, no. He's in jail. And now there's going to be the trial. And all the people are going to come. And of course, everyone assumes,

because in a case like that, where, you know, she's the victim, you know, that she's going to say, you know, I want a closed, you know, case.

I don't want to be talking about all this stuff. public. And so they ask the question. She says, no, no, I'd like it all to be open. Like everything public, everything on. You could film, make, you do everything. And you could see the guys who are being tried kind of like, what? And there was this one moment that she was talking and she said, she goes, and he's one man who had raped me. She was, forgive my accent. And I don't mean any justice to her. She goes, but he stared at me. He like was looking at me, like staring at me, like to intimidate me. And I just looked right back at him.

I looked at him without any shame. Like I'm like I'm not the victim. He's the victim. Or I'm the victim here. Why should I feel shame? He should feel ashamed. She was when I looked at him and they finally looked away. And I knew I'd, you know, and she'd won. It was a pure alpha pussy.

Wow. And it was just like standing her ground in the face of this. And she goes, why should I turn away? He should be ashamed. Why should I be ashamed? I loved. She is really incredible. That's story.

I mean, just even like the power of that, just holding someone's gaze. Like it's why people sometimes won't even look you in the eye to begin with. Exactly. It's like when I'm thinking of when Pam Bondi wouldn't look at any of. Yeah. My dad used to always like if I had a date who came over and afterwards, of course, I'd always say like, what'd you think? He goes, I didn't like him. He goes, he wouldn't look me in the eye.

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because everything that had existed prior in my reality is now untrue. Listen to Deep Cover the Family Man on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I tried to do an alpha pussy demonstration role play. I feel like I, I feel like I didn't fully come prepared. When did, what you, at the, at the, at the how to academy. I mean, I feel like I want to try it again. Okay.

So pretend I'm like a gross, seedy guy. And I think you should try this too when I fail. Okay. Don't you don't have to fail. Okay. Hey, Gina, congrats on the new book. Thank you. It's awesome.

Thank you. I love how you included boobs in the title. It really turns me on. Well, you know. Boobes is kind of a, it's like how I have boobs, like then act differently and people start acting differently. Right, I go, I go a little feral for them. Really? Oh, yeah.

Yeah. And, well, it was a really nice talking to you. Wow. So you might have chased yourself away with the saying, I go feral for them myself. If you can maintain eye contact after that with anyone, you are a psychopath. But then, see, I just kept looking at you and just letting you speak. Yeah. And then all of a sudden you realized you were sounding weird.

So you just kind of got out of it. Yeah. It wasn't. I was, I fully went in expecting to like stand down. But I didn't expect it to be. You gave yourself up. I gave myself up. Yeah.

And it's, you know, there's a power. I like, and I'm just learning it too, by the way. I've just, and it's been interesting on this because people come up and they start telling me stories. Right. And sometimes people just like want to be heard. So you just like let them speak and you just listen to them. But if someone's like digging themselves in a hole instead of saying, you're an idiot, you just kind of go.

It's so much more powerful. I think it's actually quite, you give something away if you call someone something. Yeah, it's not powerful. That's like when people are like, it's not powerful. It's not. Be very quiet and pleasant. It's almost like a mirror shows and they can almost see themselves being like, like, I'm a douchebag.

I don't know. I felt that way. I was like, oh, I'm a fucking gross peon. Yeah, I can see that in your eyes. And it's fun to watch them do that. The most powerful people don't rush to respond. No. It's so true.

And I think it's also because they're not betraying any anxiety. Because I feel like sometimes what keeps me verbally processing is anxiety. And telling yourself that helps. But it is true. The things that sit in my mind that I replay over and over are interactions. I've had what I feel. like I spoke too much. You said too much.

Yeah. It's out of insecurity. And it's like, and we just want to fill the space, but like to be able to like hold silence and just to look at someone is really powerful. That's not easy too. Okay. Would you like to try? I kind of want to try being the alpha pussy.

You want to. I want to like. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'll do it to you. You do him. Hey, Bong.

What's going on? Hey, Matt. I'm good. How are you? No, I'm, I'm okay. I'm just, you know, I can't help but be a little distracted. By what? You're thick.

Where? You're thick all over, babe. I mean, it's crazy. I just went to a physical therapist today who said I had low gluteal strength, but thank you. Well, I mean, he might be a professional. She. Whatever. She might be a perfect.

You said she? She was a physical therapist. Yes. Her gender was, well. Well, I'm as male as they come. What does that do, do you? That's great. Yeah.

I'm pretty neutral on that, actually. You're neutral on me? I'm neutral on men in general Neutral on men in general Maybe you haven't been with a real man yet I've been with plenty of real men I don't know that that's true Can you think you're man enough for me?

I know I'm mad enough for you Gina are you saying something You lost your thing right there Wait what? I won't! No no Boys it's not about winning You got defensive

And you said I've been with plenty of men So you're not even supposed to defend No why Why lower yourself to that Why you lower yourself to that? Why you lower yourself to that? Let's try it again. Let's try it again.

Okay. New interaction. You know, wait, can I just give you a hint? Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna wanna get it. I'm gonna wanna hear it. I just think when in doubt, just have compassion for the person like, why are they such a dick? Totally.

And I was filling the silence too much. And you could use that in your head as a way of strength. Okay, great. Go ahead. Bowen Yang. Hi, Matt Rogers. What's up? Not much. How are you?

Congrats on everything. You're amazing. You'll have to be more specific. I mean, it's hard. to be when I see you crushing it every single second. It's like from Wicked to SNL to lost coach. You're amazing. It's very attractive to see you succeed.

Thank you. Mm-hmm. Yeah, no problem. Can I just stop this right now? You're just flirting with me. No, you're like flirting. You're not doing, you're not giving the toxic vibes. Yeah, but that's because I was about to slip in.

Oh, did I cut your off? It's also because I know he hates this. Okay. So it's very attractive to see you succeed. It really is. Gets you hard. You want to be all forward about it? Yeah, it gets me hard.

But it's already, it's been getting me hard for years. That's not new. I'm so interested as to why you're telling me this now. Why? You're here. I'm here. Two guys. What's a big deal?

I've always thought, what's the big deal? You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Are you employing silence to try to get me to spin out babe, I'm not going to spend out. I feel very good about the way I feel and what I'm saying. Oh, I don't have to employ anything.

You can employ me. Take care of that ass. Noon and night. I'm so confused. I bet you are. That's how I like them. Well, confused. I come in, better know which way is up.

Asses and elbows, babe. I'm a confusing fuck. Asses and elbows. I'm a confusing fuck. You're going to be thinking about it for a very long time. I think we're talking to your therapist about it. You in therapy? Definitely.

Would have been hotter if you weren't. I don't think you should advertise being a confusing fuck. You think I care about what you think? Any confusion during sex is potentially legally troubling for you. Do you feel like you're in trouble right now? Do you feel like you're in trouble right now? I'm good. I'm all above board, babe.

I like to see you. sweat. I'm not sweating. My follicles are dry. Ooh, follicles. Talk dirty to me. Use big SAT words, Bowen-Yang. That's an anatomy word. Oh, is it? Yeah. So you know the human body?

I won again. I don't know what that was. It was very entertaining. I don't think you're totally understanding the assignment. I'm not. See, I'm such a little sub. I'm a brick house. No. You're well first of all I don't think you were being intense enough.

Oh so so you was so intense. No but it was more of a flirty thing that it was too flirty and you're too like bone and Matt it's almost if like if it was a person if let's see you didn't know him at all and he came and it's like yeah your your career really makes me hard you just be like excuse me okay now I want to see you to do it oh my god I'm scared okay am I the scary guy okay who do you want to be the Alpha, do you want to... Actually, can I be? You want to exercise.

You should be a scary guy. I should be scary guy. Okay, great. Okay. Okay. Here we go. Oh my gosh. Hi.

Hey. Hey. I like those patches on your knee that go up to your crotch. Thank you so much. They're super fucking hot. What? It's crazy that you just say that to me. I'm Matt, by the way.

Oh, hey, I'm, I'm... I'm... Gol, Gerardo. Gerardo, I know that's not right. Well, maybe if you're lucky, I'll give you my real name later. Yeah, you have a fake name? That's weird. Why are you out here in these streets lying?

Why do you ask me so many fucking questions? I don't know. Quite frankly, I don't know. Really? Yeah, I really don't know. Do you usually get this defensive around people? You're too cute to be so defensive. I don't think I'm having fun with you.

Oh, are you? Yeah. That's good. At least I'm having fun. Are you? Yeah, are you? Are you psycho? Am I a psycho?

Yeah. You seem a little psycho. Came over to me and talked about how my pants. Because you were giving me this come hither look. Was I really? Oh, yeah. Oh, maybe that's just the way I look. I saw you touching yourself and you kind of wooed me over.

You did never, you did not see me touch myself. Your little tease is what you are. I don't know. Gerardo! Gerardo! I was turned on. Gerardo! Oh my God!

This didn't really feel like an alpha pussy moment, but it felt really fun. I was kind of a dick, right? You were great. And the way that was, you disarmed completely. It is, I don't think anyone can, clearly not everyone can do alpha pussy. You know what I mean?

No, you can. Listen, being alpha pussy is not just about, it's like if someone comes, you say, hey, you know what, your career's all wrong. what you should be doing. You should be doing blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you're just like thinking, like, you know. Do you work in the industry?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know how to stand. Or let's say I'm your agent. Okay. Saying, you know, all this. What are you doing this thing for? This is bullshit. Like, honestly, we need to put you in bigger movies.

We need to make some more money with you. This is not going to learn. Well, because you help me with all my big projects, right? I just think you're going about this. I think you're wasting your time doing this project. I think you should probably not do it anymore. I have retorts for my actual. agent where I'm like, oh, I got wicked for myself.

I got that X-N-L and I got out of my big-caut. When I'm saying this, you're like, it's like, don't fucking tell me what to do. Oh, no. And that situation, I'm totally like, oh, you have no like to stand on. Right. Like I. That's being an alphabet. It's just standing up for your own.

Like, don't let someone tell you what you should be doing. Of course. I think, I guess you just have to be like preemptively sure of your own convictions. And that is probably the thing that people have to like arrive at themselves. You can't teach them that. Alpha pussy is a beautiful modular thing. They have to start out knowing that they are... Or you have to know what doesn't feel right.

Like you don't have to know everything, but if someone's saying something or saying, hey, let's go here. Let's go to that club there. And if you're in your body, you're like, and you're like, no, thanks. I'm good. Yeah. You get a lot better at listening to that voice, though,

as you get older, I have found. Because when you don't know, you just don't know. and the scary thing about youth is you, A, don't think anything bad is going to happen to you because nothing has, and B, you trust people. Yeah. I remember when I first came to New York, and also Hollywood tells you stories, and you're allowed to believe them when you're a kid, such as, you might just get discovered on the street. You know what I mean?

I remember when I was walking in front of our dorm in NYU. Did someone tell you that? Oh, that's what they tell us when we're young. Jennifer Lawrence was discovered in an African country. at the swash wash. Yeah, Cameron Diaz, you know, Brad Pitt drove to Hollywood $43. And then he booked Elman Louise not long after. But I was walking on the street our freshman year on 14th Street in front of a dorm that I was at.

A guy, handsome guy in his 40s comes up, you should really model. Have you ever thought of modeling? And I'm like 18, like very, very thin. I ran track and I looked young. And I was just like, no, but I guess it's happening. I'm being discovered on the street. Oh, wow. They sent me to a rooftop where a guy had me take off my shirt after about three pictures

of me with clothes on. Yeah. Took pictures of me for almost an hour. And then he said, great, we're going to really try to expose you. And I went home and I was like, cool. And the last thing I asked was, is there going to be like a website where these photos are on? He gave me the website.

I remember I looked later. It was all just shirtless boys my age and no names. Oh, God. And that's when I realized only a few years ago that what that probably was was sex trafficking. Yeah. And the only thing I thought at the time as an 18-year-old, even someone that had proximity to New York

and wasn't an full idiot, just was young, was that that kind of thing can happen. Of course. Positive, laudatory. You know what I mean? Not the story, which thank God we're hearing now, about the many ways in which you can get snatched up like that. Oh, yeah.

For sure. That's so scary. Because you just don't know. That's, and you're young and you want, you want to work. I do have that story. The one of our cheerleaders is missing story. When I remember being so, like I didn't have an agent. And I was like, oh my God.

Like I just, I'd, you know, have my headshot. And I'd read in the backstage, like, you know, looking for an athletic girl, 18, who could be, you know, scared and, you know, and happy and cute, nice figure. you know, blah, blah, blah, all these things. I'm like, I could do all of that. You know, I'm like, 16 or 15. I'm like, I could do that. I didn't really think about the 18 part. And then you send in your picture.

They're like, thank you for responding to now what is now called one of our cheerleaders is missing. Yeah. So this is a, this is a tour to force part where, you know, the girl's a tort of force part. A tort of force part. Where the girl has to be chained to a brick wall after she's been kidnapped.

And she has to her and her and her, deranged kidnapper who is played by me, the writer, director, editor, producer. It's an a tour. I'm like, what's our tour mean? Yeah, you don't know. And it just sounded pretty bad. It's like, come to this place on Ventura Boulevard.

There's a little part of me, it's like it's a lead in a movie. It sounds like a good part. It's like, sounds kind of dodgy, you know. And I remember, luckily I had thinking, God, this is weird. And I told my cousin, you know, who was, in the business at the time. He's really a singer,

but I think he wanted to be a manager. His name was Benny Medina. And I remember him telling. And he's like, what? He's like, you're not going there alone. I'm going to go there with you. And, you know, I think he was like, I'm going to kick this guy's ass.

He was very protective. And I remember thinking, yeah, this sounds kind of dumb. Let's just not do it. And I didn't go. But I never would have gone by myself because it felt, but how do you know? And also, I think if you're,

a guy. It's different. It's different because you think I'm a guy. This isn't going to happen to me. There's no narrative about, especially when we were that age, there was no narrative about like what men in Hollywood were doing and continued to do sorry, to young gay men. And there is... Don't be sorry

about saying. And not even young gay men. It's not a happy topic, but it still happens and it happens with people who are still powerful. Yeah. Women to men, I have like friends of mine who are like very successful now when I started talking about all this stuff. He was just like, that happened to me too, you know, as a young, like, actor from

women and from men. Yeah. And it's just, it's, you know, it's kind of gross when you're young and people, that's when it's the most important. And that's when I just think I was really lucky. Like, I sometimes think, God, my brother was kind of insane, you know, because you'd tie me up and hang me up on the, you know, chin up bar if I didn't get out of our Houdini game and just, like, leave me there. And so I kind of, like, had got. an instinct of like oh oh like let's steer away from that right now and this so I was always a little bit on my toes yep right and as a young person if you didn't have to be then you're gonna learn the hard way exactly and that's that's every

every every experience like trains you for the next hopefully and hopefully you know but sadly sometimes those experiences are really fucking bad and people aren't lucky I was lucky that nothing really happened to me lucky so that then when you get into a situation and I we just I just wanted to like mention this and we don't have to get too in depth but it's like I connect that to you doing showgirls and Paul demanding things that were probably very strenuous and difficult for you when you just wanted to do a good job and like make this role like Margot Channing make Crystal Conner's the new Margo Channing and and and meanwhile

he just kind of like gave like pushed you to a limit where you finally pushed back and we're like I am someone with you can't put me through this indignity right like there's a moment in the book where I'm like oh my god this is so powerful yeah I mean I think the biggest mistake or not mistake the biggest uh like I went into that movie thinking it's one thing and I was like woo this is it be amazing it's to be dark and it's be this and I walked on it set I'm like holy shit. Oh my God. There was like, it was a totally different ballgame. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And, you know, as an actor, it was a good lesson thinking, well, I can't do what I was going to do else I'm going to look like an asshole and it's just not going to work. And then I'm acting with someone who's in a totally different sort of movie that than was in my head. And also what he was directing was so bright and colorful and like, whoop, be boo-biboo. And I thought it was going to be like, you know. So right away, but I was in it and I wasn't going to give up the part. But right away, I started lying about a lot of things just because when it was, you know, I thought I had my first really good idea. And I'm like, oh my God, I got a great idea, you know, because I really wanted to, I saw the potential. And I'm like, this is a big break for me. And it's also a great part. There's a lot you could play with in it. And I remember saying, you know, like, oh, it's so cool. Like when we first see her in her dressing room, everything should be fake, you know, like she takes out her fake boobs. And I rub off my. my fake nose and take off my fake eyelashes.

I take off some fake hair. I pull off my nails. And then I go, hey, can you bring this thing in? I said, even my voice is fake. She's not like, oh, the Southern Bell, you know, the Texas Golden, whatever she was. I said, and then she's like some from Brooklyn or something. I said, that's so great.

Everything is fake. And he was just like, what are you talking about? He's like, no, no, no accents. I said, what do you mean? No, no, no accents. I don't want any accents in this whole entire movie. I'm like, she's the yellow rose from Texas. You know, like I say, darling, like every other word.

Like, I have to have, you know, I have to have an accent. Like, this part doesn't work without an accent. And he said, no, then I just started talking. I said, well, I'm just going to use my accent, you know, because I was born raised in Tennessee. My sister lived in Nashville. It's not exactly Texas. But I think it's, and I just started talking like that.

And then I just had to start lying about everything just to protect the integrity of the part, which I already knew what I wanted. wanted to do and how to play it. I saw it so clearly and, but at the end of the day, you know. You can navigate that situation after understanding like the things, the parameters that are put on like an actor, an actress in a movie, very male gazee, very like. Well, that moment hit. I, I, that really, that moment really became apparent in a rehearsal when we were doing

the S&M number, you know, I just know that there was, there was. I was like in some Assam outfit and all these dancers were kind of naked below me and I'm hanging on a rope really high of the ground. And it just like this weird soliloquy, I was just like, oh my God, I studied the classics. I wanted to play Chekhov. I was going to play Medea. I was going to do Masha. It's like, how the fuck did we get here? And it became really crystal clear at that moment.

It's like, we need to be really fucking. good in this movie. Our career is over before it began. And so up there and then all of a sudden, you know, I was like, it was this weird moment up there. You know, in the musical, that would be like the big like song of discovery of, how did we get here? Yes, yes.

Ding, ding, ding. You know. And then you really internalize that moment, I feel, because then right after that you do bound and that is like, that is just something that is so still so fucking great and important. And not that the other work isn't, but at most. I'm like, this is... No, it was an important.

Well, that was a real kind of apple pussy thing, too, because right after showgirls, I had these agents, oh, we're going to make you into a big star. We're going to get this. I said, I need a movie right now. Like, you really like right now before this thing is out. I was like, you just don't get what's going to happen. This isn't going to be what you think it's going to be.

And I was panicking. And they were sending me weird things. And I saw, I read Bound. And I remember going like, first of all, A, this is kind of genius. And B, like, I want to do this. Like, I really want to play this. It's totally the opposite of that.

And they're like, we can't let you play this part. It's a lesbian. Like, you just played a lesbian. I'm like, okay, first of all, Chris is not a lesbian. She's by or whatever. I said, secondly, so who gives a fuck? Yeah. I said, this is more about, you know, I went through my whole thing.

They said, you know, new directors. And I met them. And I'm like, let me just tell you something. These directors are motherfuckers. They're really good. And then it just kept going on. They said, we can't let you do this movie else. you know, you'll ruin your career.

We can't represent you. I said, really? And so I left. I left for you. Incredible. I love that. Which I really was so, like, wait, why can't you? Why is this going to ruin my career?

And at the time, you know, you weren't allowed to play a lesbian, L2 typecast. You know, I didn't even look at it that way. Right. Which was weird because you could have gay men on the screen. Gay women would seem to be more taboo. It was more etched. your filmography or something, or I don't know.

I don't know. There have been a couple of- Too powerful, I think. I think the men making decisions, whether it's subconscious or not at the time, there's something about like women in love, you don't need any men. So that threatens their ego, I think.

You know what I mean? It's like bound is two female protagonists and they weren't like fucking each other either for the male gays. They were making love. They were strong in it. They were doing it because they wanted to do it. And I think the men were like, I think, you know, anyway, the decision making men at that time were probably not seeing the value in that because it didn't involve them.

Right. Well, it's also interesting you should say that because I remember when we got to the love scene, which was supposed to be a love scene between the two of them, and it was all done in one take. I mean, it was really, it was like the four of us having sex because it was like move your foot. one wall comes up, one wall goes down. I mean, they're genius filmmakers. Bill Pope, who was so incredible doing the cinematography as it was all very choreographed. And so we had to get it in one take.

And so we would watch it after each take. And there was one that Jen and I did. And it was so beautiful. You didn't see, by the way, you didn't see any boob. You didn't see any, you didn't see any female part of a body. But our looks towards each other was so intense. We were so locked in that it was, you could feel it.

It felt more explicit, even though it wasn't. It was a love scene. You see them falling in love, and it was so intense that all of us were like, holy shit, that's the one. We were like, that's the one. When the board or the ratings, people are like, no, you can't use that one. You can use this one instead, which, by the way, you saw a little bit of boob, you saw a little bit of this, and it was a fucking scene.

The love scene. they would let us do it was like wow so they gave you an NC 17 on the one that was more lovemaking but the one where women were fucking you guys got the art even though there was nudity yep see yep that's that's so interesting to me yeah yeah is is the lovemaking scene is that cut anywhere of like that take where it does that exist in a in a cut do you know uh I'm sure it's somewhere I mean I wonder if they did the director's cut I'm going to see them, there's a bound 30 year anniversary that I'm going to see Jennifer and Joey, I think on the seventh, like in two days or whenever, in a couple days from now, whatever day this is. And one of the directors is going to be there. I think I'll ask her. Wow. Yeah, because it was really, we were all like, that's it. And it's not in the final cut. Oh, but it's criterion. So I don't think, I don't think they changed that. I don't think they added anything. I think we had comments and stuff. Sure, sure, sure. I don't know. I have to. ask, but I don't think so. So fascinating that like that that there's that hurdle to clear,

which is then the ratings board and they get to actually make like a creative decision like that in a way. Look at same thing. Look at showgirls is the same thing. In a way it was like, I mean, that was NC 17, which I do think it was its downfall. Right. And it's like cut out five seconds of whateverness and making an R. And it's like, oh, because there was too many tits. Like, it's like in America, especially at that time, maybe still now. Like, you know, if you show too much nudity in the female body, like, oh, too much, too much.

But if you like cut off a tit, oh, yeah, that's okay. We can make that an arm. Right. Violence, that's cool. Right. Oh, violence is always, like, I can't believe some of the things that I saw, like, in PG-13 movies and what's not allowed in that. Maybe it's totally different. I mean, look what's going on tape on TV now.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Wait, I could do I don't think so honey on this. I think this is our, I know, I know, we can talk to you forever. I know, this is so fun. I know, we love having you. You've done it all. I'll come back.

I could be your go-to if like someone can't even showing up that motherfucker. I'm like, I'll come and show. But lost culture, Bowen and Gina. That's what they're all going to be saying after this. I'll sit in the corner and be like Robin. We should do check-ins like Robin. No, I'm Robin. We should do check-ins where we do alpha-pussy, like progress chucks.

Oh, alpha-pussy progress check. I know. I really, I didn't understand it until today. We didn't understand it for your research. You're not alpha-puss-puss-you-all-puss-you-all-old. It's also very sweet, and I think it's something in your DNA, right? You have a cultural thing of being very nice, I think. And you have something in your Canadian.

Yeah. Okay. There you go. There you go. I mean, that's a built-in niceness. And you know I'm from the streets. Yeah, that's what I thought. Where are you from?

Long Island. Oh. We have a big personalities and attitudes. Yeah. But yeah, I get what you mean. But it's really hard when you're, it's like, you know, the same was when you're raised to always be nice to people. Like, it's the, and kind and not contradict people. Like, that's like a built-in thing.

You know how I describe. why I communicate the way I communicate, because the way I learned, my mom was a hairdresser, Long Island. So I listen to women and talk to each other, and this is the way I learned how to communicate. My mom would finish the haircut, and then her client, which is a Long Island woman, would go to tip her. And if she was a good client or a friend of my mother's, my mother would go, stop it, you're ridiculous. Get out of here. No, I'm not taking that. Trina, let me pet. Come on. No, this is ridiculous. You do such an amazing job. Why can't I tip you?

Get out of my house. I swear to God, I don't want to see you again. I love you so much. Goodbye. That's why. Over a tip. That's because it's, A, it's 100 words for every one word it could be. I'm going to smash your face and if you don't get out.

I'm going to kick your ass and your husband's ass. Like, get out. Exactly. And that's why I think like that downloaded to me. It's a thing where you never have enough to say. But it's also a defense mechanism. Yeah. And a way of communicating.

It's so interesting. I mean, the way you grow up and people. grow up, you know, you see. I mean, I remember, like, I was the youngest, and I couldn't get a word in edgewise. So I was always like, you know, the person talking really fast because, like, no one would let me speak ever. And I couldn't even put sentences together because I was like, you know. By the time you process what you wanted to say, it was done. It's like, you know what I mean? It's like you think. Then I remember doing my first like roundtable like press tour and they were like, you know, this is really, everyone asked you questions. They're all

gonna and I would, they'd ask me a question and I'd start talking fast. I realize no one's interrupting me. Yeah. Yeah. This isn't, they actually want to hear what? I loved it. It was like therapy. I'm like, I could slow down and actually start talking and I literally kept waiting for someone telling me to shut up. I'm like, this is amazing. I know it went on and on. I'm like, no, you don't understand. Like, I've been waiting for this minimal life. Just to like, to let it out. To let it out. Say something and not have to rush because, you know, I, wasn't allowed to talk. Well, you're right at home on a podcast, but now we are going to rush you to talk. But it's good. There's a lot of space in there to get what you want to say. It's a minute-long

segment. This is, I don't think so, honey. Wait, can I look at my little note for a second. You of course, Ken. The one and I are going to go first. Oh, you're going to go first. You're going to prepare. You can load her up. And mine is related to ratings and all that. So I'm ready to go. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so. Honey, you're going to give a movie or a TV series a rating. I want to see who was on the board I've decided that. I want transparency in the motion picture arts and sciences

whoever does the ratings I believe it's them. I want to see, show us the board, show us the jury that watched this film that watched Bound and said I want the one where women are fucking I bet you're a bunch of nasty guys who if I looked you right in your eyes

and said, why are you like that, you little freak? You would look right away. And you better believe you would crumble in the face me, Gina, and even Bow and Yang

by the time we're done with him, we're gonna get him making eye contact all the dudea day just like I am

right now. And I'm looking you in the eyes you at home who are raiding our films and keeping us out of the cinemas

you will not win because by the time I'm done with you I will make sure I know all of your names and I'll have your addresses and I will have

you know that bound in my opinion should be PG-13. Get to the cinema's re-release the Criterion film. Bound, and I want to see Bound too. And that's one minute.

That was good. 109, I went over, but I had a lot to say. I always wanted to do one of those documentaries on the board. And they're probably like old kind of like white dudes at home. This film is not yet rated, I believe. That was on, I think, Netflix.

Does anyone know about this? It was called this film is not yet rated. It's about the rating process. And specifically about how it killed a lot of Um, movies that were artistically pushing things forward, queer films, you know,

films with diverse cast because they're not speaking that language or whatever it is. It's happening on screen. So it must be scary and bad to them. Well, guess what we have coming towards us now that, Hollywood's being bought up. That'll be interesting. It's like a new Hayes Code situation.

But like, totally. I'm thinking about, remember the Hills Have I? I think we talked about the sport. Like the Hills of Eyes remake. Yeah. or like a woman gets fully sexually assaulted.

Yep. Yep. By a mutant. And they don't cut away. They don't cut away. Oh, no. And it gets, I mean, I'm sure it's an R, but it's like that, but you're going to like that's okay.

Give show girls in NC17. Yeah. Like that is fucking. It was a brutal scene of sexual assault that was in a horror film and it was, it was literally like trauma porn. Yeah. That's what. It was trauma porn.

Absolutely. No. It's horrifying. It's scarring. It's, it's genuinely makes me. interested slash super concerned about what we downloaded as kids watching

the crazy amount of violence and specifically sexual violence and then to put a label on something that would suggest you should fear something like lesbian lovemaking is obviously well I think you're right I think it was too threatening yeah yeah

it's like definitely at the time listen why do you think they're putting all these you know, caboshing so many things and it's going to keep happening more and more. It's just all these like old white dudes like,

you know, this is the way. It's like just let people do whatever the fuck they want. Are you that insecure? You have to control everyone. You'll be happier. Oh, I guess so.

I mean, even to those people, I would say, you'll be happier to have yourself, even if you feel like all stodgy and like concern, conservative at the moment, like let yourself. You'll be happier.

Just drop your shoulders, babe. Like stop being this way. They're too scared because they are that. Exactly. It's like, you know, the ones who are, like, oh, homosexuality. It's like, queen, like, yeah, girl.

Let your freak on. Like, really? Lizzie, girl. Girl. MPA. You're the worst. Girl. Yeah.

Okay, so Bowen, are you ready to absolutely shred? I'm ready to shred. Okay. Here is Bowen Yangs. I don't think so, honey, his time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Look, I am a boob gay. I love the things.

Love him. This is one woman with boobs who is doing a little too much and too little at the same time, Lauren Sanchez. Stop wearing the same fucking dress and the same fucking silhouette every time you step in front of a camera. Mix it the fuck up for God's sake, you boring motherfucker. I can't believe you're misusing your boobs, which I don't care how you got them. You have to use them for good.

But it's impossible for you to do any of that with anything that you have access to because it will never be benevolent. You have been corrupted by the thing that has just made everything fallow in this business. We are feeling it now. I have in front of me someone who has only used her boobs for good. And I don't mean to keep talking about them. And I feel like I'm constantly apologizing to you,

which is not an alpha pussy about how much I artfully appreciate your breasts. I love that. And I will only ever make them feel beautifully appreciated, even though you've lived a whole life where people have devalued them and made you feel cheap. And that is one minute and 14 seconds. It's well spent. Thank you.

Well done. I totally agree with that. Because as soon as you started demonstrating like the covering, I felt guilty. I was like, oh, I hope I've never made Gina feel this way. You've never made me feel like way once. You're so nice. And even in your head, you're like saying, oh, no, I'm sorry. Like, don't do that.

Thank you. You're too nice. And you're so sweet. But you've never made me. You have such beautiful breasts. No, thank you. I love my boy. I love them.

You love it. It's like I really, but, you know, when you're growing up and you're not used to them, you're just like, what are, people really change their, their opinion towards you, which is so interesting, you know, because they just were thrust upon me, you know what I mean? And then I, it's a, well, this is a whole other thing when you see all these people now, like getting these big boobs, right? And like, okay. It's a choice for them.

When I was younger, I was like, oh, my God. God, I wanted to be twiggy. I wanted to be flat. I'm like, I just wanted to be like, and to actually want that. It's such a different mindset. Uh-huh. You know? Did you see all the stuff that went on from last night with the Met Gala, the people projecting, like, the workers on to the buildings?

And the bottles and all the stuff. It was kind of incredible. No, absolutely. I mean, I think that the reaction that everyone is having is really important. Yeah. And I really feel like I've never seen so. It was kind of fascinating. on social media too as it was all coming in because it was relentlessly coming in as content the way it

every does every year yeah but every comment was just this you know rage and it's you see it right there yeah and i think we need to learn from it for for for the future it's correct yeah to you know listen i didn't feel sometimes you know you think oh i wasn't invited this year to the met ball whatever last night i could have cared less yeah in fact i kind of love the people who didn't go and Thank God I have back pain. Huh? Thank God I have back pain. Would you have gone?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No. No, I'm saying, like. It was your back saying, bitch, you ain't going no matter what. Exactly. Don't even think about it. Also, it's like at a certain point, it's like, you know, there's the ways in which you have to play ball in industry, and then there's just choices you can make. And as long as you can live with the choices that you're making and you can justify it, then that's fine.

But people are also entitled to their response and their critique and their, and their, you know, platform as well. 100%. So. Hondo P. Okay. Speaking of platforms. Okay. I'm just going to wing this because I don't know what else to do. You are a natural orator. I'm so excited for this.

This is Gina. I don't know how original this is, but it's like what came up. It doesn't have to be. Okay. Oh, trust us. But I really feel strongly about it. That's all that matters. Okay.

This is Gina Gershan's I don't think so, honey. And her time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Waymo? Are you fucking kidding me? I'm sorry, so far, they've killed cats. They've killed dogs. They don't stop for them.

They even hit a kid because they keep going near school buses and they don't stop. Yes. Yeah, they've hit kids. Now the thing that's happening is like they're snatching luggage. Guy gets off at the airport, closes the door and the car. Waymo drives away with all this luggage. Like, I don't think so, honey. Are you fucking kidding me?

Later. And not only that, it's like people are like, oh, when they're talking. I know, oh well, you know, I like Waymo because, you know, I don't have to like listen to anyone or I could hear my own music. You know what? Tell someone, you're a big girl. Just say, hey, can we have silence or put on your fucking iPods and listen to your own music?

And they're like, well, then I don't get a stinky person. You know what? Like you might get a, one of some motherfucking stinky person came into the car before you. Yeah. And then it smells like, does Waymo have a smellometer or something? Like that doesn't exist. Not yet.

Five seconds. And then they're like, oh, I don't want how to drive. It's like, you know what? Coming from the Valley. It was a badge of honor. It was a rites of passage. Learn how to fucking drive. It was independent.

It was freedom. And if you can't drive and you're drunk, that's why they have Ubers or that's why you have sober friends. There you go. Fuck you, way ago. And that's one minute. And I didn't even say the best part. Can I just go on?

And I'll tell you something else. It all starts like this. But in my head, all I keep hearing is like the Waymo murders. Because it's always a good idea until some motherfuckers like, you know what? I'm going to fuck with the system. them and the next thing you know the doors are locked,

you are taken to some isolated place and never seen from again. It's a good idea for a murder. Yeah, it's a great idea for it. It's a good idea until it is not. Yeah, Waymo is a great idea. Sounds like a great idea for me. Serial killer to get away with my grand plans. I mean, the only thing I mean, you look at those Waymos.

I just saw them in LA. It's like you think like the Telatubby family is going to come bouncing out of them. It's surreal and it's warped and it's also an eyesore. It is ugly as if LA needed to look ugly. Clear? Yeah. No. Now you have these crazy looking machines on the road.

It almost killed our friend Jared. Did it? Yes. Poor Jared, who should live more than anyone I know. This person should live. What happened with the Waymo? Basically, it was going to make a left turn at an intersection, and it stopped in the middle of the intersection.

And the lights went different. And everyone that was waiting for him at the gay bar, one of something else that's going extinct, they were standing around waiting. and they were looking out at Jared in the intersection and they were saying, girl, we thought that it was trying to kill you. And any old person at Waymo

HQ customer service can buzz in and say, please put on your seatbelt, sure. But I'm saying there is something fucked about the surveillance of that where you were being watched when you were in them. Yeah, there's something super creepy about the whole thing I'm against it. Honey, I don't think so. Thank you so much.

And free Jared. Free Jared. He's still in that intersection right now. We want you to live. We want you to live, Jared. You're nominated for best gay guy somewhere in between this year. Free Jared. Free Jared.

Our friend Jared won out of our awards. He won Best Gay Guy Normal last year. And so now as a result of winning Best Gay Guy Normal, he gets nominated for Best Gay Guy Somewhere in Between because he's not Best Gay Guy Famous. Three different categories. Wait, wait, when you say normal, like not a famous person? Like a nurse or like, you know. A teacher.

Gay people can be anything. Someone you see on the street. I know, I just didn't know what you meant by normal. Normal meaning like... Meaning not famous. Not famous. Not at the Met Gala. Because famous people are so normal.

Yeah. This has been so fun. This is so fun. I want to just keep talking on and on and on. The good news is the podcast may end. No. This threesome goes on forever. I want to go to Vegas with you.

Oh, you know. Vegas is my whole fucking thing. Oh, no, no. Vegas. We haven't been there in so long. Have you been to the sphere yet? No. I'm dying to go.

I just don't want to see. What about Wizard of Oz? Yes. No. So I wanted to go last time. Celine isn't Celine? No. She's doing Paris.

She's doing Paris. Paris. Wait a second. Wait a second. I listened to the brandy one. Yes. Oh my God. I meant I was going to text her before.

It was so great. She was amazing. And when you guys were talking about that, I'm like, I'm going. I'm going to Paris with you guys. Watch when it's just like us and all the last 150 guests we've had on the podcast because it's going to be a topic every time. And who doesn't want to go see Celine? Like, let's go. Let's really go. We can go to Vegas. Can I just tell you, can I give you guys a compliment? I mean, and I hope you take this as a compliment. But you know how sometimes

like you have in the podcast or the thing is like, oh, and if you want it, you know, you know, advertisement free, you have to buy into the, you're never going to have that. Your ads are so incredible. It makes me want to get hemorrhoids, how good you are. So I'm like, are you not? You can have some preparation aes just laying around. The way you're like, it's like, be nice to your butt. Like, yeah, I want to be nice to my butt. You should. Like, is it burning?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. You make it sound sexy. You're too good at those things. Thank you. I mean, you're good chills. We're good chills. I had a thing.

I would definitely give it to you guys. You could sell the shit out of anything. No pun intended. There you are. Oh, Gina G. We love you so much. My good friend, our good friend. And she's gonna, can I show the book on?

Oh, look it. I also brought you each an Alpha Pussy T-shirt. Please. I designed them myself. They're so good. They're only a medium. I hope they fit. Oh, my gosh. This is for you.

This is for you. I'm going to sign your book. Oh, my God, yes. And I'm so glad. The book is phenomenal. I loved it so much. Thank you. We're in a great memoir space right now with everybody.

Good poll quotes here. I mean, what do you call it? Miley Cyrus. Blurred. Blurbs and Miley Cyrus. Yeah, I know. Miley's is insane. It was so.

It's a ride as electric as she is, has Miley Cyrus. There you go. She's so nice. And James, he was a nice one too. People are so nice. I'm glad they're liking it. And thank you for talking about it on the show because, you know, you got to sell the book, I guess. You got to move product.

You got to move product. But I wanted to do this podcast ever since, you know, before I was like, I want to do your guys podcast. Remember when we met back at a. Well, you know, the first night we met was at SNL 50 where you were sitting with Lori. and then we met again Was that with Lori Anderson? Yeah I think you were

Was I at the 50th? At the concert Oh at the concert Yes But then I remember being backstage Yeah yeah yeah And we were talking We were talking so much

So I think Bad Bunny was in And then I missed him You know what Oh my God But we'll remember the conversation Yeah We're just sorry Sorry I was just like

Why I must really like these guys Sorry Benito I kept out of me each time I was like shit He said, where did you go? I was like, I was talking to the boys. We cock-blocked Gina from Bad Bunny. It's okay.

It's okay. Fine, whatever. We end every episode with the song. Oh, no, no, no, we need you do cabaret. Oh, yeah, do cabaret. Maybe this time I'll be lucky. Maybe this time he'll stay. Lady peaceful, lady happy.

That's where I want to be. I'm really proud of our dynamics. All the odds are in my favor. Something's bound to begin. For the rest of that, you've got to listen to the cabaret soundtrack. Bye. Bye. Bye.

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