Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Bravx, Taylora!" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Episode Date: November 17, 2021

Listening to this episode of this podcast is RED. Okay?! Because, get this... Taylor/Tayla has become TAYLORA with the re-release of her iconic album Red and Las Cultch is TALKING ABOUT IT in gorgeously excruciating detail. Also, no big deal but Bowen kinda sorta hung out with Tay a little bit and you will not believe her reaction to the Taylor/Tayla binary when it was explained to her. Matt & Bowen deep-dive on this last glorious ~scarlet week~ and talk "All Too Well (10 Minute Version"), the short film, favorites from the re-release and what this album means to Swifties. Also, Blake Lively as director, Adele's Oprah special, Ego Nwodim's star turn on Love Life season two, new Pokémon on the way, and the fact that Britney is now FREE. And you know we do a deep dive on the latest installment of the Real Housewives of Potomac reunion and wade into the iconic true crime waters of the last Real Housewives of Salt Lake City episode. All this, a The Morning Show plot update, karaoke culture, "having fun" culture, what it feels like to go on a great fucking date, and a live, in real time confirmation of an upcoming Las Cultch guest that will leave readers breathless. Ba-BY... you do not want to miss this one. ~You-ou-ou'lll.... liiiiiiike it.~ Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yes. Okay. Okay. But seconds into the pod, Bowen has to do, and we don't know if it is his I don't think so, honey. It might be an. It might be an. It might be a big day for I don't think so, honeys.

So basically Bowen Yang is maybe one of many I don't think so honeys so basically bowen yang has maybe one of many i don't think so honeys on this episode time starts now i don't fucking think so honey my fucking landlord i don't know who they are because i only communicate through the fucking broker who showed me this place i love my apartment but the heat does not work has not worked for weeks the air conditioning did not work for most of the fucking summer i cannot live in these conditions this is illegal i haven't paid rent this month because i'm withholding it until they fix this i don't know i'm just freezing i'm in a terrible mood 30 seconds like this is just unbearable and i don't know like for anyone

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really chills you to the damn marrow to the heart to the cardiac muscle. Good luck with your peristalsis, honey. Oh, and that's one minute. Loving you was more like living here is cold. Here is cold. That's what I'm saying, honey. Cold, cold, cold, cold, cold.

Cold, cold, cold, cold, cold, cold. I'm looking at my girl in a jacket. And here I am sort of sitting here in my Taylor cardigan. I wore the card sort of sitting here in my Taylor cardigan. I wore the cardigan. You're in the Taylor cardigan. I thought for a second maybe you would just pop it on, but of course

you've already iconically worn it this week. Woo, girl! I left it at work along with the vinyls that she signed to both of us. I have to tell you, girl. Okay. So, Aidy and Bowen texted me a picture of a signed vinyl from Taylor,

and it says, to Matt, exclamation point, love. It looks like the word she spelled is like- Taylor. It looks like she spelled Taylor. And I was like, does she know? Well, I can now confirm to the readers- We can now confirm! That as I was walking down the tunnel to Good Nights with Taylor,

I wore a wonderful CDLP satin, like, red wine-colored pajama shirt. Yes. And I wore the red Taylor Swift scarf that is now part of her merch. Oh, my God. In this red Taylor's version cycle. She was like, oh, that's cute. Ha, ha, ha. I just, that's cute. Ha ha ha. I just sang all too well.

I really think she, cause she has, cause Taylor was in red, has been in red mode this entire week. And by proxy, so have we all. And it has been quite fun. Do you not feel like it's 2012 all over again?

I said to Miss Tree Payne herself, I said. The manager. And the best way possible. Her publicist. Yes. Miss Tree Payne. Miss Tree Payne. We love Miss Tree Payne herself, I said. The manager. And the best way possible, her publicist. Yes, Miss Tree Payne. Miss Tree Payne. We love Miss Tree.

I said, it feels like in the best way we're in 2012 again. And I long for the days. And I told her, I didn't, I haven't, I haven't really, I never got to tell this to Taylor,

but I was like, that album is my favorite because it came out right as I graduated college. I was, you know, feeling happy, free, confused, and lonely at the same time. Yes, miserable and magical. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

So, I think it was a kind of a shock when I put on the Taylor Swift shirt with the cardigan. Yes. The folklore cardigan. And she was like, what is this? Oh, my God. This is so disgusting of me. I'm just gonna buy my new vulnerable readers.

You had to have this moment with her because then we would never would have known. She would have been linked in mystery. But here's how I phrased it. Here I was thinking someone must have told her.

Well, yeah. I was like, has someone explained to you what Taylor Swift is yet? Oh my God. She was like, no, what is that? And I was like,

and then like Jenna Rositano, our perfect stage manager calls us up to, she screams at us, guys, let's go on stage. So we're walking. I was like, it's too dumb. I'll explain it to you later. She was like, okay. And I was like, no, I'll explain it to you now.

She's like, yeah, explain it to me now. I said, Taylor, I was like, Taylor Swift is this personality, is this persona. And Taylor is the songwriter strumming on the guitar. Taylor is the girl who's stomping down the runway on tour and she throws her head back and laughs and says that is so funny and so stupid yes we won readers we won the way the readers and publicists and the Swifty readers and Swifty publicists want. She threw her head back laughing like a little kid. Oh my God.

I think it's strange that she thinks we're funny because she does. And stupid too. Stupid too. And she's right. And she's right. And you know, like, I mean, what a wonderful thing. What a wonderful, what a wonderful moment. I basically went up to Lorne this week on Saturday before dress rehearsal just to thank him.

I was just like, hey, Lauren, like, thanks so much. I think I will say this. There was a, there was an opportunity for me to do something, to do something with her on Weekend Update. It didn't work out. It was completely fine. I was not crushed by it at all i was thrilled at the prospect of it but lauren was like oh it would be fun for taylor and bowen to go out there together blah blah blah blah it didn't transpire she had a very busy week

i was sort of to be honest relieved i was like because i would have just really worked myself up into full mania had it happened yeah on a week like this one and so i basically went up to lauren's office i was like hey lauren i just wanted to thank you for like giving me that opportunity for like considering that to begin with and for you know bringing her on and you know she's one of my favorite musicians ever and i just wanted to thank you and he was like just very very sweet about it and we and then lauren and i had a nice moment oh and then wait i can share this okay yes i can share this first thing do, first, I knock on Lauren's door and he goes, you want one of these cookies that Taylor baked for me?

And then like walks over to a box, gives me this pumpkin spice coconut delicious ginger cookie. Iconic. So, so soft and gooey. And I ate it, shared a cookie withuren in his office one of that came out of taylor swift's own oven ate one of his cookies we had a lovely little chat then we go downstairs do dress rehearsal i watch all too well 10 minute version live next to miss gail king herself wow who was who was in the building she knew all the new lyrics she is a a Swifty. She's a Swifty. And she and I turned to each other and said,

isn't it so great? Isn't this such a great expansion of this song that we have all grown so attached to? And then Dress happened and then Air happened. The same thing happened. Ryan Reynolds and Miss Blake Lively, director Blake. Oh, we're going to get into that.

We're going to get into that. Turned to me and said, you know all the words already. This song has been out for one day. You know all the new words? I said, I know all the new words. They don't understand. They don't understand.

The deep swiftiness, the embracing of the Taylor and the Taylor and the realization that this read re-release and specifically the all too well 10 minute version is what you said, which is it is when Taylor meets Taylor at the max and that is why it is to be celebrated. So yeah, we got off book on day one within hours.

We got off book day one within hours, sweetie, mama Blake. Sweet lively girl. Sweet lively girl, blasting across the Ed Koch bridge. Oh my God. First of all, I just want to say for anyone that doesn't,

anyone that's always like, wow, episodes completely devoted to Taylor, we are going to get into other culture, but this may not be the episode for you because this is truly Matt and Bowen, Taylor's version. Because this is what, I'm sure everyone thinks this,

the Swifties think this. Yeah. We're not going to get a moment like this again. No, it's a celebration. I do believe that it is her best album. It is her best album. Well, I mean, it is her best album in this Taylor's version sort of... You are allowed to have a favorite.

You are entitled. Red is just, like I said, a very important album for me. The way that Taylor Swift's music attaches to people, the way that taylor swift's music attaches to people the way that people attach to her music is very contingent on where each person is at in their own lives well you that is true that is true and you actually sent me the pitchfork article today and by the way pitch pitchfork upgrades it's already very positive long review of red so now i believe it's like an 8.5 on pitchfork it. It's a 9.0. It's a 9.0 now? Okay, so perfect. It's now a 9.0. But it says something which I think is correct, which is that

Red when it was released was the nexus of her musical career because it actually sort of- It's the bridge. It's the bridge. It let everyone know, this is the maturation of this type of artist, this like young singer songwriter coming into her own, but it's also letting everyone know of her maximum pop ambitions. And it is the bridge. It truly is the bridge from Taylor to Tayla. And that's just the truth. And that's just the truth.

This is why it's an important element to discuss. I won't make any apologies to the listener, to the reader. No, we are unapologetic. We will talk about other culture this episode, I'm sure. So much has happened. We have not made a plan yet. So much has happened. Current events are happening as we speak.

But I will also say that Fearless, Taylor's version, and I'm sure we'll feel this way if and when she re-records Taylor Swift, the first album, and Speak Now. I was just listening to Enchanted. I was like, I can't wait for the Taylor's version of this. Enchanted is huge right now. Huge right now. Enchanted,

you knew this? Enchanted exploded on TikTok and now it's like in the top 50 stream songs in the country. It's going to chart again. Enchanted is huge right now. It's kind of getting lost in like the red conversation,

but in the days prior to the red re-release, Enchanted was blowing up. It increased like 277% in like the red conversation but in the days prior to the red re-release enchanted was blowing up it increased like 277 percent in like streaming because it got found on tiktok and became like a meme on tiktok it's wild wow but continue what you were saying because did you listen to fearless taylor's version and think oh wow it's so beautiful to hear her sing songs about being 15 as this 30 year old orold or, you know, 30-something. Or it's just like her putting these developed vocals onto these songs she wrote, you know, 13 years ago. Like there is like, that's like part of the layer.

It's part of the appeal as to why you're listening to this. There is some of that in Red for sure. But for Red, it's like, oh, this is just confirming. It's just really, I don't know sealing this idea that this is an incredible album not that fearless wasn't but like there's just there's less of that gap between like it just shows you like she this was the bridge this is this is the artist that made her who she is like who she is like how we know her today you know yes i also think that you know and and i don't know if she

would agree with me but this is actually my take and as i'm listening to the red re-release and i'm enjoying it not that i didn't enjoy the fearless re-release i just thought it was like really cute and fun and i'm happy we had it this is like powerful to me and like actually improved the album i think when she started this process of re-recording everything, it was about ownership, absolutely. And it was about getting back her masters. But now I think maybe as she's doing it, she's actually discovering that it's a way to sort of honor all these eras

and the fact that her fans grew so much, especially during an album like Red, which was truly a transition. And also the album is so deeply about growing up and it's so deeply about nostalgia. And it's also, you know, it's little pieces of her. It's almost like in Red, she was talking to herself in her past, present, and future in a way. And I do think it's made me love the album so much more than I ever did because I think-

You didn't love it before this. It's not that I didn't love it. Is that fair to say? Okay. It's not that I didn't love it. It was before my Stanhood. My Stanhood, I will say, happened with 1989. Yes, got it.

And that's just, them's the facts. But I will say that i always did like red i guess i was just at the time red came out maybe not developed enough to not see it as confusing yeah i was like well this isn't her identity as an artist like what's this like what's all this like synth and what's this uh you know like weird influences on i knew we were trouble with the dubstep of it all i was like i didn't get it now i do because i think it's exactly what i'm saying which is it's that nexus it's that bridge it's that taylor becoming taylor but also taking taylor along with her which i think at the time sort of threw me and now i can really respect and appreciate and i also think it's the first time her it was a revolution for her lyrically

i mean all too well is just so perfect and we will talk about it as as as its own piece because now we've seen it like in the short film etc but i just think in terms of red so many of the themes of the album itself actually are um congruent with the themes of her doing this process of re-recording and that's why i think it feels so special and singular and why i think we're all having so much fun with it i just i've never loved her as much as i do this week i'm i'm i love her i fucking love her i mean i i i just i all i've listened to all week until literally this afternoon when I watched the Adele special last night, which I would love to touch on. I was listening to the 10 minute all too well. And I'm like, this is exactly why I love her.

I mean, this is like such a fleshed out specific circumstance about what was a three month relationship. But that really changed her. And it doesn't matter, yeah. I would love to hear what it was like for you to see the performance live, hear the song for the first time, and then see the short film, and let's talk about

All Too Well for a second. All Too Well, I was listening to it at, yeah, 12. There was some Twitter discussion about how like exactly 12 10 a.m eastern time everyone was tweeting their responses being like oh my god like yeah like literally like clockwork um but i just like probably gassed internally at some of the lyrics like i mean it's so impactful when used to be a little kid with classes in a twin

size bed and just when she transitions into the new lyrics yeah right it's so powerful when you hear that old stuff you've always known and then it's transitioning right into the new it's like it's like the continuing of a story it's like a mad lib that was in your heart and mind but never but and then to find out that it actually exists you're like oh my god it's like that fleshing out that you didn't know you needed but it's genius of her not to modulate on like an extra verse and a chorus and a verse and a chorus an extra bridge whatever like blending in the new with the old in this perfect checkered way after the first like two minutes so good just so just so great and

do you have a favorite new lyric um weirdly mine is um sipping on your coffee like a late night show or something i just think that's such a that's such a great image like and then it just kind of it only further confirms this idea that it's an actor you know like that it's someone who like is a public figure in a way that would warrant him going on a late night show i just i just think just really great i i kind of do feel like fuck the patriarchy keychain is anachronistic like i don't think that was a thing back in 2012 like i don't think those were that phrase was on keychains necessarily in a way that would be recognizable in a song lyric of hers she definitely wasn't saying the f word back then she was probably maybe she was writing it yeah i don't

maybe but she is fully fully within her artistic rights or whatever to like throw that in in retrospect or retroactively um but i just i don't know i thought it was great yeah i would say the only lyric that confuses me is the fuck the patriarchy keychain i probably could have done without that but i would say and i was never good at telling jokes but the punchline goes i get older but your lovers stay my age is so her and like i just the whole thing that like waited for the door and my my my dad watched or you charm my dad yes the late night host and then yeah he watched the door it's supposed to be fun turning 21 it's the whole thing is such a i mean if you didn't know it was jake jill and hall before she the jill and hall of it all is fully confirmed in a way where it's just like yeah wow this guy and this is this is what i'll say as someone who was 19 date and dated

someone who was 30 there's a reason why some of those guys do that. And I would say it's because they're not, I would categorize them as not emotionally mature. This is not to drag anyone out there who's 31 dating a 19-year-old, but I would tell you to take a good hard look at yourself and think about that person's experience because I also think that what she has realized now being someone who is that age.

Oh my God, she's his age now yes and i think that that actually puts a light bulb on i know it certainly has for me about what it means to date someone at that age and like to put someone through the emotional ringer at that age and that's why i think she's digging in so hard and not being so tongue-in-cheek about this you know what i mean like i think I think part of her is like, if she didn't have remnants of the heartbreak, I think part of her is a little pissed off about the fact that like, you know,

she got put through it by someone who had a lot of years on her and a lot of power over her. And I think it's kind of, you know, vindictive Taylor is something different now than it was then because she is the most powerful person in the music industry. But it's pretty sweet to see it happen because i recognize what

she went through and i didn't go through the same version of it but i went through a version of it and i am smiling listening to it that's what i would wow i kind of has there been discussion around the line i'm a soldier returning half her weight. Half her weight. I absolutely love that. Amazing lyric. I feel like that's a reference to a Jake Gyllenhaal film, Brothers. You know? I think that she certainly thought of it.

Yeah. Anyway, that's just my thought. But Tobey Maguire was the brother who was the soldier in that movie and not Jake. Anyway. I think Tobey and Taylor sort of exist in the same. I can't explain. But I get what you're saying and I celebrate it. The Real Housewives of New York City

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Feels very much this is the red era. I love it. Why? Yeah, I love it. And her DP, she's giving a lot of props to her DP, Marina Yang, who is very talented, clearly. Yeah. I think you were counting the number of times they yelled fucking at each other in that one scene and it is 13 i mean like it all built to that because i was

like okay this must be like a dog whistle or an easter egg like fucking like they're saying fucking a lot and it must be 13 it must be like building up to that it was very i said to bowen and i say this in the best way and this is not a drag okay no come on that long scene of them in the kitchen was very like when you let young actors improvise and there's a lot of fuckings and that's totally fine and when we love and we love it and you know i'm obsessed but she wrote it and so therefore i feel like there was some penmanship involved in the dialogue i feel as though there was some scripting going on but the actors were allowed to improvise which is how you get that many fuckings and but i but i also know it's probably intentional i don't

i don't dispute the intentionality of it all i just i think i saw her say in an interview that she watched as the actors improvised and it was like so dead on and she couldn't cut away i will say i'm a little bit on his side in that scene because she is acting crazy like and i'm like this is another reason why you don't say it's someone who's 19 no girl because i'm like this girl's acting crazy and also joel and jared that we they came over last night for housewives lol girl we'll get to it but they also were like yeah i didn't want to say anything but i kind of think she's being crazy in this scene. Well, and that's... But he's also a monster.

Part of me thinks that Taylor's matured enough now where she would let, like, a potentially unflattering... I'm sure she thought of that. Absolutely. I'm sure Miss Sadie Sink thought of that. Like, just like, she's like, we're not, no one's, like, the girl is not blameless, necessarily, in this. I mean, she was taken advantage of.

Absolutely. Based on the age difference. Yes. And you can't, it's like she is 19 years old. If you put someone in that situation and she feels a certain way, she's going to act like she feels a certain way. And then I think that's another thing. I was looking at it and I'm like, God, these two people shouldn't be together.

And that's what that's sort of. I mean, in watching the video, the first time I was watching it, I'm like, yeah, I mean, I feel like this is all pretty familiar. Like and then I realized like, oh, it's familiar because I recognize it deeply. And I think that, you know, this story, you've known it for almost 10 years. Yes. And I think that it was actually really kind of great. I think it's a really good illustrative music video for the song. And I've been actually surprised.

I didn't think I would listen to the 10 minute version exclusively and not the five minute version. Not that I don't love the original version, but the 10 minute version is now my version. That's for sure. I mean, let's just acknowledge how high the hype was sort of stacked, you know, like built. It was like, it was the buildup to it was so nutty. Like, of course, she knows that the Swifties are gonna go insane when she announces a 10 minute all too well.

Are you kidding me? And then we're all like going crazy in the months before it comes out and then it comes out and we're all like wow this met slash exceeded the expectations crazy unreal and then i will say you get that many fuckings if you're also like in a david mamet play absolutely yeah i didn't absolutely i did i did not i didn't take issue with the fuckings at all that's what people say when they're upset it's actually real culture number 50 yeah fucking fucking that's what people say when they're upset people say when they're upset and that's that's going in the book uh here's what i'll say um before we move on from the red era because there's

just so much what book are you talking about i don't even know i don't know why i said that okay but before we move on from the red era which it's just been it's been the joy of my life and i know that you had such a positive experience with her the snl performance was amazing but as um an album and even with the vault tracks i wonder if you had to say three or four highlights, what are they? What songs are you particularly enjoying in terms of the update? And what of the new Vault songs are you absolutely like putting in the canon for favorite Taylor songs?

I mean, I bet you think about me as I think in the canon, especially with this wonderful visual. Chef's kiss. Chef's kiss, we'll talk about that. I like Babe. I love that there's a promises, promises. It feels very 3LW.

Like the fact that she's going, promises, you know, saying promises quickly twice. Yes. It's very 3LW and I love that. Yeah. And then Ronin is a song that I didn't really, I was like, oh, what a lovely, beautiful song. And I know the story behind it. But just like, just sonically, it sounds so gorgeous. And then,

Come Back, Be Here, something that never stuck, that I always kind of overlooked during the original release. And now I'm just like, what a great song. Absolutely. Anyway.

And then obviously, Nothing New, Phoebe sounds so good on it. It's both such a, it's such a great match for both of them. Yeah. Yeah.

She was really smart to collab with her. Yeah. I think that it's such a great song. And I think I can understand why she left it off the first time because she probably was afraid to put it on because it's so honest. I mean, and she did touch on feeling that way about feeling disposable as a woman in the music industry in the Miss Americana documentary. And it's been interesting now to see confirmed

that this has been something that's been on her mind. And she has the lyric that's, I've had too much to drink tonight. I know it's like, and I know it's sad. This is what I think about. But, you know, there's a lot of pressure on her. And so, you know, sometimes- For her to feel that way at 22,

to write this song as a 22 year old, crazy, dark, has nothing to do with her. It has everything to do with society, you 22-year-old. Crazy. Dark. Has nothing to do with her. It has everything to do with society, you know, whatever, obviously. But like, just, just what a, yeah, an honest song. Nothing's really changed in the way that people feel

about women in the music industry, I guess, for this to still be resonant. Right. But really good. Yeah, I would say overall, my opinions are, I mean, Message in a Bottle is such a fun little snack of a pop song. I understand why it didn't make it the first time, because I think this was the first song that she wrote with Max Martin and Shellback.

And I think she did improve upon it in terms of the upbeat songs on the album that were on the initial version. I will say, I think that in the re--recordings i think the mid-tempo and ballads fare better than the up-tempo songs yeah it just seems like maybe that was what she was more interested and passionate about this time with this album i i do prefer the original we are never ever getting back together the we are a little much for me on the new release and uh but there's these songs are still fun 22 i mean it's it's so much fun like and i i have such a appreciation for that as a pure pop song now like it's just so genius i and that's my favorite up tempo on the song i think in terms

of the re-release and the original now. But I mean, Red sounds absolutely beautiful and you so get it. Like there's State of Grace and then there's Red and the album really begins. Red into Treacherous. Treacherous is one of her top five. Treacherous is, it is so fucking good and listening to her sing it now, gorgeous.

I mean. I mean... I think this is one of the tracks that is, I think, is better than on the original album. I would agree. I would agree. The production on it, the vocals on it, all huge improvements. Amazing. Both huge improvements.

Amazing. I got to tell her, I sent you an outtake of a promo. There was a promo for SNL where I got to, just me as Bowen, as scripted, I just like kind of drop a lyrical reference and everyone's like, Bowen, come on. And I'm like, what? I like her music. And then she like pats me on the shoulder. And then there was one, quote unquote, very Sadie Sink of me, improvised line where I said, treacherous is the sound of falling in love. And she was like really kind of floored by it in the moment.

Matt has the footage, but I was, but she was like, what? Treacherous, that's so nice. And like, I was like, I don't think people tell her that enough. No, what am I saying? I'm saying like, maybe, maybe that is like an underappreciated song of hers. That maybe she doesn't. I think it is so beautiful. It is.

The bridge, nothing safe is worth the drive and I will follow you home. Follow you home. Two headlights shine on a sleepless night and I will get you, get you alone. Oh my God. And you know what's funny? Is it so obviously about like meeting

and having that first attraction to Jake Gyllenhaal. And it applies to anyone. I mean, when you know, and there's a live performance where she says this. One of my favorite live performances she's ever done is it was like a red listening party with a bunch of girls yeah cross-legged in front of her yeah and she's got her iconic red like liberal arts college hair at the time and she's like this is when you start to like somebody and you know it's gonna annihilate

you but you do it anyway and i was just just like, I mean, a hundred percent. It's choosing to live life so that you see what happens. And like, there's also in treacherous, I mean, literally there's so much like danger imagery and it's just like, you could tell she felt so vulnerable. And that is what I love aboutlor swift is the willingness to be vulnerable and then you know later on you see in her life when she felt like she really needed to put armor on and literally we got reputation you know but there were still little glimpses of vulnerability like she just has she's got she allows herself to go out and be inspired so that she can create work that really really really hits and treacherous to me is it's just so boring it's it's so good so and she's also sounds horny as

hell on it too and it's also about genuine attraction which i I do love. Can you think of a crazier opening lyric? Not crazier, but just like hornier opening lyric, I should say then. Put your lips close to mine as long as they don't touch. Edging, the Edgers won with that song. The Edgers actually won. It's actually rule of culture number 77.

The Edgers actually won. The Edgers actually won. On Treacherous. On Treacherous. Yeah. Come on. I would say, yeah won on Treacherous. Come on. I would say yeah, so Treacherous, I would say Ronan, God, did I cry. Begin again. Begin

again. Did what it needed to do on this new re-release and it honestly makes me feel so hopeful every single time obviously holy ground and state of grace we stand and i will close by saying that the update of girl at home i am in total support of and this is how i know that yes it's the ownership that really matters but i think she might have made a more conscious effort

to make it sound the exact same if she never wanted the original listen to I think this process of re-recording is becoming something different for her in a beautiful great way and also an ingenious way as the capitalist that she is and we know and love that third generation banker's daughter

mama she says I am a brand I am re-releasing all my albums as if they're bigger than ever new things and i love it let us talk about and give props to miss blake miss blake before you before we move on to the to the video um of uh i bet you think about me just the lyric the lyrics on holy ground i think think, really hit you hard again when you really sit down and listen to it. I always loved the song, but something about, again, this re-release, I'm like, whoa. And just the concept. I mean, isn't this concept that is so obvious?

But if you walk by a place that has some emotional, romantic thing energy like like thing for history to you so powerful and like the like she's this bitch is fucking throwing biblical references in this fucking song yeah like i i mean like whatever like whatever your thoughts on christianity are like i'm like okay she's like fucking quoting the bible in this way that like doesn't feel forced is just enough so that you understand that she's like, this is a place of biblical that is suffused with biblical energy in the Bible of my life. Yes. Right. Say that it is sacred.

And, you know, this just recently happened to me. I felt very red when when it's when we shot Bonobos. It was the first time I had come back to New York since before the pandemic. And it was like you were walking through the city and i was walking through the city specifically the east village where we went to school where i lived where i had so many you know first kisses and how many i cried on street corners and you know places that i used to go have lunch and meet up with friends are now Starbucks and times where I was working really hard at school and apartments that I moved into and moved out of and met people. And it's just,

that is a really powerful thing. And I think that a song like that really speaks to that. And this whole album really speaks to that because you know what, Bowen? It's also really important for us because it was a really fun transitional time in our lives it was 2012 you know and we were we were 22 we really were happy free confused and lonely at the same time in the best way darling it was good never looking down and right there where we stood was holy ground come on fuck you for that that's so good billy joel said beatles of her time and i heard no lies patty lapone said one of the best lyricists of our generation there you go like and miss patty is close girlfriends with stephenondheim. Close girlfriends.

Close girlfriends. That's actually roller culture number six. Patty is close girlfriends with Stephen Sondheim. So stupid. Speaking of close girlfriends, Taylor's close girlfriend, Blake Lively, directed the video, I Bet You Think About Me.

Again, one of the stronger songs from the vault, which I love. This is one of her best music videos, no? I said to you, I said, wow, this is up there. Yes. Just like and honestly, what I thought about the entire time watching

it was this direction. Phenomenal direction. And also it's like, you know, we had Miles Teller in it pedigree sure we had blake lively behind the camera really good style i thought she had a really great style it's edited so well great vision taylor was obviously having a lot of fun in it blake should direct more blake is a visuals person absolutely obviously like You know she picked the outfits out for a simple favor. You know she fucking was Serena Vanderwoodson.

The image. She cultivated that herself. She's incredible. An amazing actress, obviously. Star. Star and actress. I'll never forget the first time I saw her in Sisterhood. Directress. Directress. And also, you know what? Oh, Sisterhood. Sisterhood, I'll never forget the first time I saw her in Sisterhood. Directress.

And also, you know what? Sisterhood, I'll never forget. I was like, who is that? I was like, that is the most beautiful girl in the world. Everything. And then the world noticed. Everything. I was just like thinking to myself, I was like, how much fun Taylor is having. Also, a lot

going on in the video set piece wise. A lot to wrangle. This is a really good directorial effort. I say brava. Bravo. Bravissimo. I say maybe her best... I say brava.

I would say brava. I would. I would say maybe Taylor's best music video since... Blank Space? Yeah yeah let's say that this is not to oh Wildest Dreams I acknowledge the problematic nature of it

but I do think it's absolutely beautiful and I am emotional every time I watch it I really fucking you know what and I'll say I love Harmonica Taylor and if you want to go so far as to say that as we've said this is red is the bridge if we were to believe that she wrote this song for this album during her sort of exploratory conceptual process of this if the harmonica was

in there originally kind of like foretells folklore era taylor you know like it is past present future like this is like the four-dimensional snapshot of taylor swift that we're gonna get that we have that we will always have well what read the album proves is that time and space don't exist because this album exists in a vacuum where she was speaking to all let's call it nine dimensions of taylor taylor taylor it was just like speaking to everything. It was, it was shooting out energy in all directions.

Okay. Cause you know what, you know what she wasn't doing during fearless Taylor's version in April. She was not going on the, on the show. She was not really doing the songs live. No, which I'm sure it doesn't mean that she doesn't love fearless songs.

Like, or like, you know, that time in her, in her career in her life i just think she you can tell she fucking loves this album yes she knows she thinks it's one of her best she knows it's one of her best she i think thinks of this also as this sacred time capsule that's why she's dressing in that era again i'm like we just had folklore era like a

year ago and yeah and it's like and now it feels like it doesn't feel like a regression it just feels like whoa this is such and this is what i said to tree pain i said i know this is probably what you guys thought about all along but like this really is like an intentional powerful return to that time in her life and in our lives and so therefore i feel like i'm 22 again yes yes i Yes. I mean, this is all very obvious. It's just, I don't know. I'm just saying.

It's crazy. It's a crazy power. And I'm like, I kind of like it. I'm kind of scared by it. I'm kind of like, whoa, what is, it's bizarre.

You're happy, free, confused, and lonely at the same time, Bowen. It's miserable and magical. That's what it is. Oh, yeah. In the best way.

In the best way. That's what this is. Taylor, yeah. In the best way. In the best way. That's what this is. Taylor, we say BravX. You did it. BravX, Taylor. The title of app, title of X, BravX, Taylor. BravX, Taylor. BravX, Taylor, exclamation point.

That's exactly right. That's exactly right. This is the, Red was the one time she was Taylor. 100%. Taylor and Taylor at the same time. And that's exactly right this is the red was the one time she was taylora a hundred percent taylor and taylor at the same time and that's that's beautiful and that's that's culturista you are so a culturista babe you are so a culturista today and okay so you just we just said the word king and in a transition out of this i there's so much to talk about but I have to tell you something King Ego Wotum was so good in the

second season of Love Life I had to text her I was like girl the way you did that did you watch the second season of Love Life the readers know that if you've been listening for a while you know I loved the first season of Love Life the second season of Love Life with William Jackson Harper

and Miss Jessica Williams, never better. This was great. Did you catch this? I have not watched a single episode of Love Life, but I'm sure I would love it. This is the thing. I told King this at dinner, at the after party on Saturday. Someone from NBC came over

and talked to us and was like, oh my god, have we all seen Ego and Love Life? I go, yes. And I go, she is the draw for some people. Myself, specifically. Because I was not, I watched because of her. Yeah. And I watched the entire thing and was like, oh, my God.

Yes. Give me this rom-com lead iconography. Absolutely. I mean, she gave it to you every way. She was, because, you know, Eggo was giving you Eggo, but she was also giving you shades of Eggo we haven't seen,

which I'm always excited when the SNL folks get this opportunity because they're so talented. And also Punky Johnson is in the show. Punky is so good fabulous i mean so great and stars i actually have i think i've only had the very fleeting pleasure of meeting punky but big fan oh great on the show person in the world the kindest funniest person so so good and i will say i about i'm about to give it all the way up to William Jackson Harper who was an amazing lead and let truly you guys this is my recommendation this week watch the second season of

Love Life you really don't have to watch the first season but you know I did enjoy it the second season of Love Life he's so great so charming so great So great. So watchable. So hot. Like, and his chemistry with Jessica Williams was amazing. And she has never been better. I was like, we love her. We love, she's a star. And just across the board,

I really enjoyed love life and props to King who bodied that fourth episode. And then she comes back in at the end of the season. Loved it. Loved it. King. I think King is really in her Charizard era oh i'm like not that she wasn't this is the thing king is one of those people that has always just soared and has always moved through the world with this assuredness that she is very good yep she's a superstar she has the x factor babe she's a she

has it and honestly can i just say i'm a jealous fucking bitch no but i see her succeed every time on the show and life like outside of snl i go i'm just so purely happy for you oh yeah she and that like she carries that happens with with few people it happens with like you and that's it i'm kidding there's more people than that but like i'm just king is but ego is one of those people i'm just like god good for you i'm just so happy for you i was so happy for her and i know there are a lot there's lots of fans of that show i texted her i was like i hope you're hearing all the praise because she really deserves it and i i can't say enough i again i if you remember if you've been watching listening to this for a while or reading this podcast for a bit you remember i

finished all of love life in one night same thing with the second season it's real easy it's a half hour episodes it's all they released the whole thing at the same time so it's like great which hbo max doesn't always do but i believe they did with this. And if they didn't, it is all out now. So, check it out. Loved it. Now. Perfect. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that.

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It was delivering on. In many ways we heard. You know new vocal renditions of Taylor and Taylor we heard Adele vocally sounding so good and warm and healthy singing the old classics like you've never heard it before I don't think um I don't think that someone like you has ever sounded better when we were young hello you know easy on me it's so fun to hear her sing it live but also some of the new music that she has coming out she what did she sing she she sang this one song called hold on which was fantastic and then she closed with this song

which is like love is a game or something and it's like she wrote a new classic song it's the only way i can describe it like greta came over earlier and we were watching it and i turned to her and i was like this is a song that we're gonna be singing for years to come and it just made me so excited her interview with oprah was of course amazing because oprah is oprah and oprah was of course giving you classic iconic like welcome to my rose garden vibes where i guess she's doing all her interviews now it's she has she goes she goes i really wanted to bring you back to my rose garden because look over there there's my tea house and sure enough there's an entire house for tea but it was a deli or oprah's house oprah's house so adele came over to oprah's house she wore this stunning white pantsuit i saw the photos in the in the um in the performance itself she had this like

stunning stunning she was giving Italian glamour this like black Schiaparelli dress like it was just she was so beautiful and it was at Griffith Observatory so that was gorgeous and I mean this the production design was amazing she sounded incredible check it out it's on Paramount Plus

what I loved the most was how relaxed and happy she seems and how she was like answering every question being like yeah you know like I Adele, we always associate with like sort of like a frenetic drunk energy. And it seems like we're seeing like a more like grown up Adele who and you can even tell in her lyrics and the way that she delivers it. She's like, look, babe, this is music that I love. And this is the truth. And these are my lyrics. And this is how I've grown up.

And you're hearing it. And she, like Taylor, I think I love her so much because she's like, yeah, I'm going to live my fucking life and put it out there. And that's the way I can interact with everybody, really, is in the music itself. Wow. Because she'll go away for years and then come back.

And it just made me so excited for Friday to get the new music. But yeah, I think you're gonna love it. You're gonna love the way you look when you when you listen to it. I guarantee it. There's just a lot of culture happening in these next couple months. We're getting into Oscar season. Oh, boy. Great music coming out that sort of takes us back in time or pushes us forward in time. And then, fucking, I'm going to say it, we got a new Pokemon game coming out. Hell yeah. Amazing. Talk about that. Amazing

moment. Pokemon Brilliant Diamond Shining Pearl. That's what it is. That's a remake too. Wow. We have come far from blue and red. We've come far from blue and red. These are remakes of Diamond and Pearl that came out in the DS. But this, in like 2006, 2007, this is a remake of that on the Switch.

Beautiful new Pokemon to catch. You can catch your Articunos, your Moltres, your Zapdos. They let you catch the legendary birds? They can let you catch the legendary birds depending on the version you have. Mew can be caught in this one. You can catch Mew? See, that might be a bridge too far for me.

You might have to download because I know this bitch has too far for me. You might have to download, because I know this bitch has a Switch. You might have to start getting into Pokemon again so you and I can battle and trade. Wait, I actually would love that. You're probably so much better than me, so you have to give me a couple months to get a head start. I think, let me get good again. It's coming

out Friday. I am really excited. Okay, wait. If there's a new Pokemon coming out, I'm actually excited because I would love to get to know the new girls. Because back in the day when I was sort of kicking the balls around, there was 151 girls and now there's thousands of girls? Now there's almost a thousand

but this is going back to Generation 4 where there were only maybe, and you can, you might see some new girls from the future come back and travel through time, dear. But it's somewhat manageable. And some of the Gen 4 girls are adorable, powerful, iconic. There are some icons in the mix.

Don't get that. Let's get that straight. So let's say that these girls are sort of the new songs. Are the old girls still, as they say, giving it to you to you carrying are they like for example is squirtle tearing is pikachu still tearing you know what i mean like you may not you may not see squirtle but you will see a pikachu in the wild of course you will see the classic girls roll through pokemon is, you don't understand. Nostalgia culture as well. But also very forward thinking in some ways,

but also will remind you why it's iconic. It is, Pokemon is its own diva. Yeah. Pokemon is its own, and every Pokemon is a song. Yes. Think of it that way, dear.

I really, that's the way I'm going to think about it from now on. Pokemon is Aretha Franklin, and Pikachu is natural woman. You know what I mean? it that way dear i really that's that's the way i'm gonna think about it from now on pokemon is aretha franklin and pikachu is natural woman you know what i mean pikachu is natural woman mu is resp as respect and that's it that that's all there is to say charizard is daydreaming and i'm thinking oh absolutely absolutely and i absolutely. Absolutely. And I would say Diamond and Pearl are the young, gifted, and black of her repertoire.

And I would say, you know what I would say? What I really would say is that Pidgeotto is do-right woman, do-right man. That's what I would say. That's really what I would say

at this moment. If you want to do right, all night woman, you gotta be a do right, all night man. Oh, come on. Let's go. Jigglypuff is Chain of Fools.

Rob X. And Clefable is, you better think think think about what you're trying to do come on now brava come on brava brava aretha brava to us all brava to us all now should we talk about housewives oh do you want oh i did i all i've seen from the adult thing are um is that video of oprah and lizzo dancing to hello in the audience yes so the the crowd was almost entirely celebrities and hollywood types and i was like truly lol they cut to the crowd and leonardo dicaprio was there with his mask like hat on his chin and i'm like we are really exist i'm just like i wonder if this is gonna alienate people that are like there was was an exclusive Adele concert at the Observatory. At one point she goes, I only wanted to invite people

I really like. And you know, some people I haven't really met, but some of my close friends. And they cut to and it's like, literally Melissa McCarthy sat next to Lizzo. Fucking Aaron Paul is there rocking back and forth doing his thing. Fucking Drake showed up and Drake was there bowing. I'm not even kidding. Aaron Paul being

there is what kind of freaks me it was a motley crew oh nevermind I'm getting Aaron Paul confused with someone else anyway sorry Aaron Paul Jesse from Breaking Bad who looks the same he walked right out of the pages of Breaking Bad and onto the Griffith Observatory to watch Adele sing

hello I missed that one I missed him I missed that one too you know if you want to watch the third season of Westworld, he was the lead. Oh. Yes. People don't know that. People don't know that.

People don't talk about Westworld anymore, but it's, you know, doing insane work being what it is. I want to say, I'm laughing out loud because Jared just sent me a YouTube video of Candace on the Kelly Clarkson show. Have you seen it? And are you laughing just because you are laughing at the idea of Candace on the Kelly Clarkson show? No, no, no. Never laugh at that. Because you know I think drive back is a bop and a half. Well, did you see that she posted like an Instagram story of like some party, some like mini concert she did at some club some in some city where she like had like

just was doing her beyonce like fantasy i don't know why i said it like that like just having two back up dances but she was doing her beyonce faggotry that's what you wanted to say well she had two backup dances i was gonna say her beyonce facsimile but that's not necessarily right but she was doing her beyonce faggotry with two backup dancers. I was going to say her Beyonce facsimile, but that's not necessarily right. But she was doing her Beyonce faggotry with two backup dancers behind her to drive back, fucking going off during the bridge with the choreo. And I was like, this is fucking awesome.

We love Candace. Candace is performing drive back on she says Kelly Clarkson show. Oh my God, Bowen. Different key. Yeah. Oh my God, I'm key Yeah yeah yeah Oh my god I'm obsessed Okay wait Oh my god Girl she's serving

Conversation Wow That's not what you want I don't do back and forth. Morning there's a flag on the play. Oh, there is choreo happening, bitch. This song is so good. We need to get her on.

Yeah. Yeah. Next thing I know you're grabbing on my derriere. Oh my God. For New York Comedy Festival, I came out to this song. And then the song ended and I was like, who knows that song? And the crowd roared. And I was like, I knew i had my closest friends here tonight i knew my girls came out to brooklyn

come on this song is so good Come back. Make it so compliant. Make me come back. Come back. Come back. Oh my God. Wait. I just want to hear the end of the chorus. Even when I catch a night to. Lord, I want to jump to you.

Okay. I'm not going to make everyone listen to the whole thing, but I'm just saying Candace fucking bodied the Kelly Clarkson show, okay? You and this word bodied today. I love it. Bodied it. Bodied it. Andy Cohen was at the show.

Yes. And I was like, I love that. I was at SNL. And anyway, that's all I wanted to say. Was he standing Taylor? Was he there to stand Taylor? Was he just rolling through? I think he was just there to roll through

but I'm sure he stands Taylor although maybe like he's never had Taylor on he's close with John Mayer very close with JM so who knows and I said you know what's going to happen when she does really speak now which by the way I want speak now bad because now that I've heard what she did with Red I really want speak now

because that's another one that doesn't get the shine not that Red doesn't get the shine. Sparkly is in her top. I said, you know, we're getting a 45 minute Dear John with a feature film attached. And I'm ready for it. A three hour long feature film for a 45 minute song. Taylor said, Scorsese vibes.

Taylor said, this is my good fellas. It's going gonna be three blonde women in ball gowns running around New Jersey New York City fucking killing men shooting people in their trunks in her trunk dear John

I can't wait for that shit oh my god and you know what I'm realizing now she really dated these older guys. Like, she must feel a certain way about this looking back being their age now. She's like, geez. I'm sure she feels some level of like, what the fuck? But like, I've been there.

I mean, you know, I made a whole habit of dating guys with not even just older specifically with power over me and now i look back and i'm like i want to i want to tell myself at that age like you gotta not do i i not is this therapy i think it gave me a complex anyway etc but i've just been really i i get it i get her i get you taylor isn't it nice to date i just highly recommend if people haven't tried dating people like on their level that it's great I not that that's what I'm doing right now but I at least I'm dating someone like my own age which doesn't

always happen I relate to Taylor in that way yeah where I'm like oh I've gone for like older guys sometimes and it's great it's fine there's nothing that inherently wrong with it I'm just like but what does it say about the dynamic I don't know like the stages you are here's what I'd say I'm not like, but what does it say about the dynamic? I don't know. Like the stages you are at. Here's what I'd say.

I'm not saying, I'm not saying it's a bad thing when there's an age difference. I'm just saying, let's not pretend there's not. Like, stop this thing of

our age difference is not something we think about. Our age difference, we're actually in the same sort of place in our lives. Like, we don't acknowledge the age difference. You should be. Like, you're at sort of place in our lives. Like we don't acknowledge the age difference.

You should be like, you're at a different place in your life. It's weird when people say things like the age difference is not something we think about or something that affects us. Like what? I don't know. I don't know. Just speaking from experience here,

but what's important is we talk about the housewives of Potomac reunion and salt Lake thoughts on their, on this part of the reunion? I don't know if it's just me. I was obsessed with it top to bottom. Me too. I thought it was a great reunion. Great reunion where you got a hug between Karen and Giselle. That was really sweet.

Yeah. Ashley had a moment a little bit. You and Joel are a little bit anti-Wendy is that fair to say? let me tell you something right now I got in Wendy Osefo's DMs today to invite her on to the show oh my god

I am team Zen Wen if you look around me I have every candle lit I have Wendy Osefo candles everywhere I'm looking at my own knee right now I'm looking at my own knee right now I'm looking at my own knee The way she announced The way I laughed At the, oh knee home essentials will have a

5 and 7 wick candle Unprecedented, and then you know What Matt Rogers did That second Went to, I bought two One for me, one for Sudi, okay A 7 wick? 5 wick. $99. I think that is the funniest

thing. The most funny, like, uncomplicated. It's not funny because someone's suffering. It's funny because it's just funny that she just decided to go for a five and a seven wick. Yeah, well, the wick war is truly hilarious.

It's so funny. And you know what's so pathetic? Mia came out with a nine wick war is truly hilarious so funny and you know what's so pathetic is mia came out with a nine wick candle and it's like a thousand dollars and i'm like girl no one is going to buy a mia candle they cut to the mia candle on the show like it looks fucking ugly no i'm sorry i'm very i'm very anti- mia thornton i'm like let's let's talk about it because you know that she said well don't worry because i'm not going to be giving girl these girls any of my time no bitch you're fired okay you're fired because you're a liar you act crazy you don't have any genuine friends here i think it's unfortunate because I think she could have figured out being on this show. I really do.

But she just acted insane. Like there was there was never she never found her bearing or like really committed to anything. And then honestly, I think she made the wrong fucking enemy because Candace is the star of the show. Candace is. And I actually I would be curious to think what you thought when they all were turning to Candace and telling her that she needed to adjust her behavior and reel it in. What were your thoughts on all of this? And I would be very curious to hear what you thought about when the issue of colorism was raised, because I have feelings about it.

Well, you've put it very eloquently in the past that what's so incredible about The Real Housewives is that each city and each franchise is about a particular important subject. With New York, it's alcoholism. With Beverly Hills, it's

wealth and status, which is maybe too general. It's about the cracks in the China, I think, and how people in this town in particular are it's about appearances and it's yes and with salt lake it's about religion um i don't watch uh i don't watch dallas i don't know what dallas is about status but with status with potomac it's about colorism. I think so. And Ashley Darby is a fucking dumbass for what she said last night. We're recording this on Monday.

For what she said this week, where she was like, where Wendy asked a perfect question to be like, do you think colorism exists in society? Or something to that effect. And Ashley was like, yes, I do. And then Wendy said,

do you think colorism exists within this group? And she said, no, I don't. And then Wendy's like, how can you say that? How can you say that colorism exists in society, but not, but that for some reason we are inoculately immune to it. Like that makes no sense. And the answer is because she does not want to cop to her participation in the way that it plays out on this show. I mean, she doesn't want to take accountability for the fact that you know, and this is what I'll say. Is Candice

more excitable? Is she more active? Is she more animated? Yes. Do I think that she sometimes pushes buttons that make me start biting my nails? Yes. Do I find her to be as dangerous,

as aggressive, as unruly as they would make it seem no and i also think that wendy often feels things from the other women that they don't lobby at the light-skinned women that's why wendy and candace are like this like you could really tell like especially when they cut to them like during the lunch break or whatever yeah like check in with each other i was like oh this is like a really deep connection that they share over this fucked up thing yeah uh and i don't know i i think i came away from this episode siding with candace even i mean i always go back and forth with her um but this time around i don't go back and forth, forth. Really just like, enjoyed what she had. I mean, I mean,

part one was pretty iconic with, because what you were was ungrateful. Ungrateful. You were ungrateful. I mean, and we said to each other, that is the new, she was trespassing.

Yeah. From the season four reunion. Candace just has so many great moments at these reunions that I just appreciate that. Like not for being messy or for being like, I mean, yeah, it's messy. But I just think she's just a very dynamic chaos agent on the show. In a way that feels more exciting to me than Giselle and Karen. I mean, I am sick of that stuff, too.

With Candice, it's like her going to the kitchen, chasing down Ashley Darby in the kitchen in the Williamsburg house being like, why the fuck did you do that? I love that shit. I love when someone just like runs after someone and just goes, what was the point of that? Yeah. Because I want to do that all the time. And I aspire to a Candace Dillard Bassett level of just like, hey, what the fuck? I think that Candace andendy are by far the most dynamic characters on the show yes and i think that look i love andy cohen and like i think he does great

for the world i think he was getting annoyed with her in a way that he he should understand. I hope he gets what he has with her because she is truly important on this show. Yes, because Candace, you can tell almost like they get under each other's skin. And I think Andy likes it, but

I question it because it seems like he does get his feathers ruffled a little bit. With her? With her. And I think that- He reacts to her a lot. He does.

And I think that what he needs to understand is that's good. And I don't think her place is in jeopardy. But when Karen was like, you better change the way you behave or people are just going to tune you out. I was like, is that some sort of threat? Do you think that- I love Karen Huger, but do you think that you're like at the level on this show that like anything you say is going to make the fans feel a different way about Candace?

I get that Candace is divisive, but Candace's fans ride hard. And I know them, I'm one of them. And I'm just saying like, let's not gaslight this person into trying to think that the things she's experiencing are not real because when he said to her you were almost attacked last year i was like almost attacked without yeah and then without missing a beat she goes and that's my fault that i was

attacked and then she kind of like changed the framing of that the phrasing just being like I was and it wasn't my fault yeah yeah yeah no fully like one of the more violent one of maybe the most violent altercation in Housewives history absolutely one of the blood was drawn like yeah look if Candace has

issues with quote unquote anger management she should and will deal with it but let's not pretend like anything she's doing is warranting any of the physical altercations that have been levied against her and for Giselle to say like had had Mia popped you I would have been like shoulder shrug when last year she was like bringing security to fucking coffee events that monique was out brian i don't know and then and then i was happy to see some progression with her like in her narrative but we see through it with her we see through it and also for her to sit there and say that i was like wow the gaslighting that Candice experiences on this franchise is not acceptable.

And if she chooses to leave the show, everyone on it will have fucked up. That's what I'll say. That's what I'll say. Giselle, is there growth? Because I feel like we're just kind of, she's been spitting her wheels on the show. It's always about Jamal in some way. It's never, Jamal in some way. It's just, it's never, there's no progression.

It's always about like her being like fully lonely with her daughters. I don't know. It's, it's sad to me. Um, and I just, it's, it's so deeply irritating me that she can't take it.

She can always, she can always dish it. Never, never refuses to talk about this guy she was dating that she ended up breaking up with like even though she pries into everyone else's shit the way that she defended uh her bringing up the eddie rumors was that was so fucking brainless to me and wendy being like wendy breaking it down perfectly being like that blog is maybe read by hundreds of people. You brought it onto this platform that is botched by millions.

How do you think that makes me feel? That was a mess. And Giselle fucking like short circuit. So messy. Giselle, like, that's like, she knows, she's been on the show long enough to know that like, that like has like impact and like that like can ruin a marriage. So fucked up. I will publicly say that i bow and yang hate giselle brown not since ramona singer have i like deeply disdained like to have to have had deep disdain for a housewife this is how i think we get to the bottom of the giselle situation

because she's not going anywhere she her her and, like, that is the central, that is like a central plot line of the show. Robin's got to go. Because you need to cut Giselle's lackey off. And the Robin storyline, if it's not done, it's too sad to watch. She needs either a break or she needs to be let go and we get some new people in here. I don't think that will happen,

but I do think that that's a way we can get to the core of giselle a little more because in the character study of giselle bryant i do think there was some movement forward because we got her to admit that she's got a lot of guards up as a defense mechanism because she's been very very very hurt. And she refuses to get emotional because she has to be strong. And I do understand that. And she sees that therapist man like once every two years. It's so weird.

Right, right. And the thing is like, to see her get emotional about Karen, I was like, maybe that's what it is. Maybe we just need to isolate this a little bit more to Karen and Giselle. Yeah. And sort of figure out what it is there. Because the fact is this,

Giselle does not see Robin as an equal. No. And that is allowing her to always have excuses and always have justifications because Robin is never going to not give her that. And to form theories out of

nothing that just distract from her own pain that's the that's the whole wendy thing like she like basically like was bored twiddling her thumbs at home not being able to teach her kids how to drive and then going let me just like actually propagate this horrible rumor about wendy that has no basis in fact right from a reputably uncredible blog yeah and also when wendy was like when the time comes make sure you apologize to my children and giselle was like why would i have to apologize to them and that in and of itself says it all she can't understand that what she's done is one day wendy's kids when they stumble upon

narratives in this show are going to have to see that there were rumors that their father was unfaithful to their mother yeah so don't don't don't come around here being like my children my children my children with such blatant disregard for the feelings and uh well-being of one of your castmates children and that's flat out so i thought wendy was so on point this whole time she's been great and by the way wendy osefo has just liked my comment oh my god is she typing would love to join you in bowen if your producer can send an email over my she says hi matt hope you're well first thank you so much for purchasing the candles i'm so grateful for your support.

As for the podcast, how awesome is that? Yes, would love to join you and Bowen. If your producer can send an email over to my team, they can assist with scheduling and logistics. Super excited. Looking forward to it. This is happening in real time. I'm saying, can't tell you how thrilled we are.

Email is incoming. Oh my God. Tell her as a child of immigrants, of insane immigrant parents, that she is my favorite housewife ever. Please. Well, you're going to get to tell her, babe, because she's going to come on

next week or the week after. And how about them upless? Wow. Unbelievable. How awesome is that? Ask for the podcast. How awesome is that? Literally. Well, hello. Well, hello. Zen Wen is coming.

Let's celebrate that. And then... I'm so excited about it. Our first housewife. Our first housewife. Not a better person. She put the Wendy Ostefo inflection on? She said,

but baby. Baby. No conversation needed or whatever it was. She said, she said, no editing needed or whatever or no reciting needed because the question was, do you rehearse your reads? Oh, no rehearsal. Yeah. No rehearsal needed. Some people have it and Wendy has it

and you're gonna see that she's got it when she comes on podcast last culture is this wow i cannot wait wow oh my god you know matt and i brought our own individual only candles to ohio two weeks ago we bought it to ohio we lit them in ohio the way my entire place smells like Oni Home Essentials. And I told you about the luxury fragrance spray. The luxury fragrance spray is where it's at. She wrote you a handwritten note. She did not write me one.

No, she didn't. I think that she only wrote handwritten notes. Write it for the people who bought the full line. I get it. I bought over $300. I'm not jealous. I've now spent almost $500 at the Wendy Osefo Oni Home Essentials store. So I do believe I deserve the handwritten note.

You absolutely do. And I'm just, I'm not saying that I do too. I'm just saying that I'm a little disappointed that I did not go all in. Oh my God. And get the handwritten Wendy note. She's going to come on and she's going to talk to us about what it was like with Nicki Minaj. Oh my God. This is too good.

Anyway, this is absolutely the apex of the Potomac conversation, so to be continued. Let's move on to the Salt Lake City Housewives episode that I believe is one of the best Housewives episodes of all time. Andy Cohen promised us one of the best,

one of the top five, I think he said, Housewives episodes of all time. No lies. No fucking lies. I mean, the whole thing was edited. Like, it was... True crime. Fucking, like, true crime. Like, the glitchy title cards and shit.

I was screaming. But the time stamps were so important. This was the episode where Jen Shah gets arrested for wire fraud. And I think among other things, but when they were breaking, let's just say this, when they were,

when Heather Gay was breaking down in the car, as Whitney is rubbing her back saying fraud, it's fraud, fraud, fraud, Whitney, Whitney was cemented herself. Whitney has cemented herself as one of the all time

greats talk about someone I don't think it's suspicious at all that she knows she's smart she knows about how the world works don't say that it's suspicious Jenny fucking doesn't know how anything which way is up

Lisa's a dumbass I'm sorry I'll say it Lisa Barlow is. Lisa Barlow also was iconic to me. No, I was actually very... My whole opinion on Lisa soured as soon as she starts sobbing for Stu. I'm like, don't feel bad for Stu after

you just found out that they've been wire-frauding so many elderly people. They feel bad for their families, but look, here's what I'm saying when I think Lisa Barlow is iconic. I don't think they've been fraud like wire frauding so many elderly people they feel bad for their families but i look here's what i'm saying when i think lisa barlow is iconic i don't think she's morally standing upright but was it iconic when she when they cut to all six of her phone calls with her lawyers and every version every version of it was her saying i'm literally shaking or literally shook i mean yes i mean very funny her I mean, literally, talk about a meme.

Like, she was giving you everything you needed. She was entertaining. I just think, like, I don't really like you as a person anymore, even though you were fun. That's fine. I will say that the winner of the episode, it's a tie between Whitney and Meredith, who FaceTimes them, learns about all this. And her first, her knee-jerk Response is, I'm not surprised Anyway, can't wait to see you girls, bye

Give her the middle snowflake At this time The girls are all really competing For the middle snowflake because They're all sort of tearing each other Apart to get it, this, I will say The Mary arriving And finding Meredith in the bathtub

with a glass of champagne i was like see this is how you do staged housewives bullshit that feels exactly right i was like yeah i think i think because i do think in watching it i think meredith stages quite a bit but it feels iconic and she's rarely and she's rarely dressed not iconically her in that little pink dress that she got it wow she says after she turns up the phone she's not surprised about the whole thing she then her revealing on camera that gent one of jen's people stole from her store six months prior she can't stand jen hates jen never wanted to reconcile with jen wouldn't have done it had they not been on a show. And now that she has an excuse, she says, I'm vindicated.

Everyone sit the fuck down. I've been saying this person is a iconic evil mess. Crook. Oh my God. Wow. Jen's like, isn't it so chilling to watch back? I'm so glad they played it again. I guess in the previously package, but the way she's

like, hey, I'm Sharif. Sharif has internal bleeding and I'm like, you're lying. You're lying! She was lying and you know what? On Watch What Happens Live, Heather Gay she's a ride or die friend for better or worse because

Andy Cohen was like, how can you defend her doing that and she goes i don't think anyone knows what we were doing in that situation so yeah i can defend it i was like girl there are real victims here and she lied to your face which shows you that she would have done the same thing to you absolutely and it's not an an Erica comparison because it's like, no, there's a there's there's evidence. There was an investigation. It's like it's there. She was put in handcuffs. She went to a fucking detention.

She was in custody. Yeah. Erica was not charged with a crime. Exactly. This is completely in a different league. Like she's a fucking criminal and a harmful vicious one at that and this is what i said preying on vulnerable people yes so so when they showed when meredith was like it didn't bother me that the bag got stolen it bothered me that she kept someone who stole from my store on her staff because jen shah doesn't care about moral character. She cares about loyalty. When you are loyal to someone who has no moral character,

like there's no question. Her and her entire group are criminals. They're dangerous. These women need to separate themselves from her immediately. It's not like Erica where it's like, you know, there's some question about whether or not the women on Beverly Hills should have been worried. It's like, no, this is really fucked up. And a lot of these women do

business with each other. Yeah, I kind of, you're saying Heather is a write or die friend for better or for worse. It's only for worse for me where it's like, I think you're really- But I would do it for you. I would do it for you. I really would. And you're a very bad criminal. But I would do it for you too. But I was going to say that neither of us would do it for you i would i would i would do it for you i really would and you're a very bad criminal but i would do it for you too but i was gonna say that neither of us would do this but if it came i would not come to this because we we would not do this because you and i i know i know that you have morals bitch yeah you are you are actually a moral icon morality so true so true uh and likewise thank you both we're both winking we're both winking at each other so much You are actually a moral icon. Morality queen. So true. So true. And likewise. Thank you.

We're both winking at each other so much. Our eyes are going to fall out. I think we're both morally decent. We're both morally. We are not the morally corrupt Faye Resnick. We are morally sound Bo and Yang and Matt Rogers. But on the Watch What Happens Live episode, Andy was like, wow, like you're really like going hard for her. And Heather goes, you know what?

This is how I want to show up in the world as a good friend. And I was like, all right. Poof. No, no, she's done. I mean like,

all right. Congratulations to Heather. She got the Rihanna follower in her first season, but now it's all downhill. I'm so over that as a thing. Whenever they're like, your life's amazing. Rihanna DM'd you.

I'm like, girl, that means nothing. It means it means nothing I mean she got stoned one night and was like hello dm this fucking girl she's like I'm famous enough to dm any woman I see on tv and have them like freak the fuck out yeah that's just that's that's more of a Rihanna thing than it is a you thing you know yeah so for Heather I'm just like, you are really not doing this well. You don't understand, unfortunately, to use this phrase, the assignment. And Whitney is really, I fucking love that girl. I have the fucking chills. I have the fucking chills. I'm numb.

I'm numb. I'm numb. I mean, when she goes, I mean mean I had a sugar daddy she her timing and just everything she's done in confessionals from the looks to like the act outs to the jokes

like she's I don't think I don't even think like anyone's like writing this shit for her I think she's just like a funny smart quick person clearly like on the bus she was just kind of like schooling all these fucking women I think she's just like a funny, smart, quick person. Clearly, on the bus she was just kind of like schooling all these fucking women. Yep. And she's got everyone pressed because she's in conflicts with Mary and

Lisa and has been in it with Jen and is close with Heather. She's actually right at the center. She's right at the center and it's queen behavior. It's queendom. It's queendom. Between her and Meredith, they are contenders for next year's queendom award.

They're actually, when Whitney comes on the pod, which will happen, she will receive the queendom award. If that is a bait that I can throw out there, Whitney, if you come on the show, you'll win the queendom award. You will win the queendom Award. Or Meredith.

Meredith Marks will also win the Queendom Award. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's honorary Queendom. By the way, when are we doing the award? Well, that's sort of like a really good question. I think later. Maybe it's in... I think later. I know you're saying

later in a way that is a fun tease for the readers, but I feel like it might be a year-end thing, possibly. I think so. I think who can say? You know what I mean? We certainly can't say. We can't say, and yet we're the only ones who can say.

And so that's sort of where we're at. What I will say is that I have not read the nominees in a while, and I'm worried and I'm stressed that I will read these again and be like, well, none of this is relevant anymore. Here's what I would say about the list of nominees. It already doesn't hold up in an iconic way. Why? Wait, what are you talking about specifically? I think that our nominations leader is in actually a lot of real

trouble, and we send a lot of well wishes her way, and hopefully she returns to public life soon, but I don't think it would be in good taste to do the Las Claritas Culture Awards while our nominations leader seems to be in flux in her personal life

in such a fashion. Are we saying, and yes, I echo the well wishes you just put out there. Absolutely. But are we saying that we cancel the award? I'm not saying I'm saying we haven't made that

decision yet, but if we're waiting on our nominations leader to get better, I don't know that we can expect that in the short term. I think that if we're waiting on our nominations leader to get better I don't know that we can expect that in the short term I think that we will have an off camera discussion off reader

mic discussion about this because I think there's a way we can salvage it and it's iconic okay and it's actually I think what we need to do all the time but moving on let's just say in terms in terms of people that if we're talking culture before we get to i don't think so honey and sort of do that if we're talking culture and people that we wished well and that we were concerned for

let's just say the conservatorship is over briny spears is free and i think as a public that we can just and i think everyone is thinking this we just cannot repeat old mistakes right i think we just leave this woman alone leave her alone literally never wants to perform again that's her prerogative okay come on i think there is something to maybe investigate with the current boyfriend you think potentially i mean maybe like i just let's just like i don't know but if she seems happy i think what i want now is to just give her her full autonomy do whatever the hell it is and by the way it's fiance and we will see where the where the chips fall but for right now i'm like it's important that we at least give her a fucking chance so we're giving her the chance and it's not even it's not even up to any of us to be like

she deserves a chance no that's what this whole thing was about like let's take our fucking opinions out of it let's take our judgment and voyeurism out of it she's a human being who deserves to do whatever the hell she wants and you know unfortunately we will all see what happens but fortunately she's given that opportunity and that's how i feel about it at this time do you want a morning show plot update yes Yes, I always do. What are the third graders writing this time? The third graders are yet again on one. So if you last heard... Is the teacher...

Are they still even at school? Are they meeting on... I feel like this is... What you're about to tell me is going to be so crazy that I'm like, well, they must be meeting up at like, you know, fucking Tanner's house or something eating pizza just like just really going

crazy the teacher's not in the room like last time you gave me the update I was like the teacher left I think the teacher left and I think comes back to the classroom drunk I think the teacher leaves I think the teacher leaves during the day

gets drunk at Applebee's the teacher leaves during the day gets drunk at applebee's at the bar during the day it comes at the end of the comes at the end of the day and reads what they've written and is like this is great guys you can't i love you guys you great writers and i think that that is the only explanation for what has gone down on the show. But the kids aren't even at the school anymore is what I'm saying. There's no, there's the rules are the rules, the rules keep falling away. Okay. So tell me, it's like when you get excited about a project at school and you actually are excited enough to take it home and work on it. I think what you're, I think what you're saying is true.

Their drunk teacher is giving them affirmations and they're really excited and they've worked themselves up into a frenzy to the point where they can write two weeks ago that Steve Carell drives off a cliff, Steve Carell's dead. So they actually, there was a great episode last week, which is them all reeling from the news that Steve Carell is dead. And I actually left last week thinking, okay, this actually is a good episode. I'm with it. Jennifer Aniston continues to do great work. Here's the thing. No one's doing bad work on the cast.

Everyone's doing great work, okay? It is the writing that's a zoo. In the best way. I mean, this is my favorite show. I literally, I look forward to it every week. That's amazing. So, a lot happens on this last episode. Jennifer Aniston basically gets canceled

because it comes out that she fucked Steve Carell a couple times and then went to italy to go see him and right out go bitch so no no so they don't so again this is a world where jennifer aniston knowing that italy is a hot spot flies to italy goes to steve carell asks him to debunk a rumor that they had sex he's like so you want me to lie she's like yeah i want you to fucking lie then they have like a whole night together they don't sleep together but it's very clear that they are in love and made for each other she ends up leaving falling asleep at the wheel needing to pull over you think maybe she's gonna get into a car accident no it's steve corral who drives off a cliff and dies. She flies to America, gets off the plane and is told immediately upon landing that he's dead.

So she has a breakdown, goes to his wife's house, apologizes on the way there has a huge fight with Duplass. That was iconic. They're just screaming at each other in the car. And then the, the sound cuts out. So we're just watching them have meltdowns.

Iconic. I love when they do that. Oh, they do that. When films and TV do that? Yeah. So Jennifer Aniston gets to Steve Carell's wife, who's M. Beth Davids, and tells her,

I wanted to tell you this is about to come out in the book. And also, by the way, he's dead. She's like, okay, thanks for telling me. And then she's like i want to apologize and she's like you knew me you didn't have to fuck him and she's like it only happened twice and she goes oh only twice and she's like get the fuck out of here jennifer aniston's back is hurting she you could tell she's has so much stress that it's carrying up in her back she can't believe her life so she comes back from italy and is fully working in the morning show studio okay so meanwhile everyone's there juliana margulis is in the throes of a lesbian love affair with with reese witherspoon aka bradley jackson who used to be bradley jackson

but now is fully just reese blonde hair reese witherspoon accent bradley jackson's like kind of gone but we still stand and we still love it. Her and Julianna Margulies have about 6% chemistry, but we are buying them as lesbian lovers. Because we have to. We have to. And we do. So Reese's alcoholic brother,

played by, yes, Sara Bareilles' husband, the guy from Mare of Easttown. Oh, he's so good. Joe Tippett. Great, great actor. He drunkenly shows up. He's relapsed.

He embarrasses her at work. And she puts him in a rehab and has to walk away and that's actually affecting stuff okay so okay jennifer aniston in a book published by marcia gay harden it's it's come to light that she fucked steve carell so it looks like she's not going to be cancelled but then footage of her admitting that she went to Italy to go see him leaks. She announces this at Steve Carell's memorial and of course someone was filming it at this small memorial.

It leaks online. How could she not know that, whatever, alright. She didn't know. The third graders are writing this. The third graders are on third graders there's a lot the third graders are on one there's a lot of bait and switch in like the last 10 minutes of the episode so she wakes up in a cold sweat one night and she looks at twitter and she's being canceled on twitter

furious she goes to run over to get her phone or something trips on a shoe hits her head on the desk wakes up in a hospital they say say, surprise, we tested you. You have COVID. And she goes, and clutches her head. And then it cuts to the rest of the hospital, which is like, obviously going crazy with COVID. And you basically leave the episode

knowing that she's exposed her entire, her entire workplace and all the cast that we know and love to COVID. They all definitely have COVID. That's how we are going into the 10th and final episode of season 2 of The Morning Show. Jennifer Aniston has brought... Jennifer Aniston is a super spreader

who brought COVID back from Italy after Steve Carell drove off a cliff and she trips over her fucking Louboutin, hits her head on a desk, wakes up with COVID in the hospital, and now, mama, it's March 13th, 2020. And the worst part is, she's cancelled. She's cancelled! Oh, cancelled!

Oh, cancelled! Can you do your impression of her finding out that she has COVID again? She goes, so she wakes up in the hospital, and she's like, oh, oh! Because her head hurts. And she goes, oh, and her phone's ringing. She goes, hello.

And they go, hey, sorry about what happened. She goes, oh, what happened? They go, you hit your head. We know your assistant's not there because she can't be there because you're not allowed in the hospital. Oh, what? Am I canceled? And they go, yeah, sorry about that, too. But it's really sorry about the other thing.

She goes, what? What else? And they go, they did a test. You're positive for COVID-19. And she goes, and she like burrows into her pillow and like I think covers her head with the pillow and the camera

pans over to the rest of the hospital like in a frenzy. The third graders are giving everything they could give. it's it is my favorite show i have to really commend the third graders for the bait and switch of you think it's jen who's gonna drive off or is gonna have an accident but classic classic i think i think i think i think the third graders just watched the season six finale of Grey's Anatomy when you think Izzy's about to die. But then you find out it's George instead.

I think it's very that. I think the teacher who was drunk showed everybody that episode. Yeah. And I see sometimes you can have one character that you make people think is going to die. But really, it's this other character. Yeah. Out of nowhere dies I think that's the class

you know what's happening? The third graders are using their imaginations and I think it's a testament to imagination The Morning Show is a testament to imagination it's actually rule of culture number 71 The Morning Show is a testament to imagination

absolutely King The Morning Show is a testament to imagination. Absolutely, King. That is what's happening on The Morning Show. I am absolutely devastated. Next week is the final episode. It is my favorite show on television and I will be devastated when it's over, but the good news is I can watch it again and again, and I will.

You can watch it again and again and there will be other shows that you will love. I promise you this. A lot of great shows coming out lots of good stuff coming out and films I heard being the Ricardo is actually good okay great I can't wait to see it I can't wait is it time unless there's nothing else I think that it might be time for I don't think so honey the real housewives of New York City are back for another bite of the Big Apple. Look who it is. Joined by elite new friends. Rebecca Minkoff. Have you ever heard of her?

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I felt too seen. Dragged. I'm N.K., and this is Basket Case. So I basically had what back in the day they would call a nervous breakdown. I was crying and I was inconsolable. It was just very big, sudden swaps of different meds. What is wrong with me? Oh, look at you giving me therapy, girl.

Finally, a show for the mentally ill girlies. On Basket Case, I talk to people about what happens when what we call mental health is shaped by the conditions of the world we live in. Because if you haven't noticed, we are experiencing some kind of conditions that are pretty hard to live with. But if you struggle to cope, the society that created the conditions in the first place will tell you there's something wrong with you. And it will call you a basket case. Listen to Basket Case every Tuesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Once again, we find ourselves in an unprecedented election. And with all that's happening in the lead up to the big day, a weekly podcast just won't cut it. Get a better grasp of where

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We've got you on that. In-laws are in-lying? Let's get into it. Toxic friendship? Air it out. We're on your side to help you with your concerns. Talk about ours. Toxic friendship? Air it out. We're on your side to help you with your concerns. Talk about ours.

And every once in a while, bring on an awesome guest to get their take on the things that you bring us. While we may be unlicensed to advise, we're going to do it anyway. Listen to Call It What It Is on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I think it might be time for I Don't Think So Honey. So I Don't Think So Honey is that one minute segment that we do where we have to get something in culture for 60 seconds and I have something. I am so excited. You have something. Let me pull up the clock.

This is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now. Sorry, I Don't Think So Honey karaoke. So Sudi Green had a birthday party the other night where we did karaoke and unfortunately as you can hear in my voice it is completely gone i don't think so honey karaoke there is not a healthy way to do it there is not a circumstance where you can leave feeling good physically about the way your throat feels so another thing is emotionally it's always a question mark because karaoke you can't really hear yourself so you don't know the vocals are good i don't think so honey karaoke there's always that one song you want to do that's not

on the list i don't think so honey karaoke because sometimes the books are so big and you're flipping through them and you just simply can't find i can never decide what i'm gonna do i don't think so honey karaoke because a lot of these karaoke places don't have their own alcohol you have to byob so i don't think so honey that i don't think so honey byob culture have things i don't think so honey karaoke really mainly because it has taken my voice and i want it back so that i can sing again i don don't think so. That's one minute. I'm so sorry, queen, that it took something you love to do away from you. It is in theory fun, but really karaoke culture is shouting culture and that is harmful culture. It's self-harm. Karaoke is self-harm. That's rule of culture number nine. Karaoke is self-harm and look i i have a lot of respect for what i would

what i would term karaoke people but um i'm also very scared of them yeah because how you could put yourself in a state of abuse again and again and again is shocking. I will say that I did see some stars at karaoke. Sudi Green and Amanda Sheckman sang Tell Him by Celine Dion and Barbra Streisand. I've never seen anything like it. It was amazing. They're the Celine and Barbra of our generation. Yes.

Those two. Yes. Amanda Sheckman is our Celine, Sudi is our Barbra. I mean, it was so wonderful to see it so well matched. And I did have so much fun and also I would say out loud, Sudhi, I had so much fun at your birthday. It was just

the physical effects I felt afterwards that have me saying, I don't think so, honey, karaoke and any of my best friends. They could say, my birthday is at, put this thing in here that you don't like doing and I would be there, honey, to the bitter end and I was there until 1am singing La La by Ashley Simpson, a song that no one can sing without

getting hurt. And I'm doing it. You sang the most dangerous song in the world. Seven Rings. Seven Rings. No, I was saying La La by Ashley Simpson is literally screaming. Yeah, it's, it's, I mean, I can't even try to do it right now because it's crazy. I also did Careless Whisper. I did... Wow. We did Wildest Dreams. Simply not in my key. And that's another thing is it's hard to find a song in your key.

And the fun songs you want to do as a gay man are women's songs. And so you have to scream them and then you're hurting. I mean, I still can't get over you doing lala because it feels like that blades of glory thing where it's like it's that trick that nobody's been able to do without killing the other person you know like no one's exactly do it a lot like you are it's playing alpha buzz war it's that same sort of high risk situation yeah and um i commend you i'm glad you're okay we kind of sang lala as a group which which I think hurt everyone. You know, I actually, I sang it

and I could see everyone afterwards, like everyone had been at war. They were all like rubbing their throats, like sort of like doing like, like sort of, but you know, with karaoke, there's always another song on the docket and you got to just pick it up and keep moving. But it's tough and it hurts.

And sometimes birthday parties hurt and i would do it for my sisters i and i would do it every time for my sisters that's you are stew level loyal i'm still i'm heather gay i'm out here being like you're heather if andy s can you defend that sudi had a karaoke birthday i said yeah i mean she wants to do karaoke. She enjoys karaoke. And I would shout my way through any song and pay for it for two days every time. Every time. Who do you identify with the most now between Salt Lake City housewives?

Lisa. I don't think you're a Heather. Yeah, you're Lisa. Lisa. I'm Lisa. And I wear it as a badge of honor. I think I might be Meredith. You are. We are Lisa and Meredith I might be Meredith. You are.

We are Lisa and Meredith. I'm honored. You are. Huh? We are Lisa and Meredith. 10 year friendship. Sweet. Uh-huh.

One is like, cool. One is doing a little bit too much. No. Ultimately, if there's ever a conflict, they're going to get through it. You are a fashion icon.

I do fast food. One has gorgeous, huge tits. One has gorgeous, humongous tits. You have that low voice. The language, vocal, sort of quality. Yeah. And my kids, one day if I have them, are going to exist on a combination of McDonald's,

Del Taco, and Arby's. And they're going to start a business about wolves? I don't know what that business is. Fresh wolf. It's like a hair product. Yeah, it's like grooming products. And I heard it's pretty good, actually. Okay.

I got to get some fresh wolf. Here I am spending $500 at Oni Home Essentials. I got to buy some Fresh Wolf. I think I would enjoy it. I'm going to do a product review. I will say this to Wendy Osef. I'm so excited she's coming on. The only housewives product I've bought is Oni.

I have, I've not bought Brooks Marks. I've not bought Fresh Wolf. Haven't bought any, you know, Lisa Rinna stuff. Or, you know, I really, God i love wendy osefa so much i can't say the same in terms of product consumption of course i have the brooks i wish i was buying more i bought all of dr tiffany moon's candles oh hers are fun they're really good and i have i'm drowning in honey products and i it's not that I don't want Karen Huger products. It's that it's specifically LaDom.

And I don't have a LaDom apartment. I have an Oni home essential. And that's just my choice. I have an Oni home essential. You have more Oni. Yeah. This is time for you. Are you ready?

This will be your second I Don't Think So Honey episode. Yes. I'm so excited. This is Bo and Yang's second I Don't Think So Honey episode. Yes. I'm so excited. This is Bo and Yang's second I Don't Think So Honey as time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey having fun because I'm not having that right now and I haven't had it in a very long time.

Even though I've had lovely moments of, you know, going to Ojai with my friends, laughing at work, meeting people I love at work, having that laughing at work, meeting people I love at work, having that opportunity at work. I'm not having fun. I will say maybe it is like a winter doldrums thing. This is a sad

I don't think so, honey. Maybe it's not one that we post on Instagram. Spencer, who handles our social media and who edits our lovely I don't think so, honey videos. We love Spencer so much. He's iconic. In the words of Stephanie Germanotta I'm not having fun tonight

and tonight is a long time in my sort of clock so yeah I would love to have fun at some point soon I haven't felt real joy in a long time I did go on a good date this week, a couple of good dates.

And that's a minute. Tell us about that. Tell us about, tell us about your good day. I'm going to be at Giselle Bryant and say, I don't want to say too much, but it was lovely. And you know,

you know, to have this, to have a good date on the week of red Taylor's version. Begin again. Incredible. Yeah. It's begin again. It's begin again. It's begin again.

It's treacherous. It's state of grace. It's, I'm like, God, this timed out. High praise for the date. Damn.

Well, no, no, no. It timed out really well. Yeah, it sounds like. And I will say it was a great date.

I love good dates. I was like, whoa, I really didn't think this could happen again. This love is treacherous. We love it. I feel vulnerable sharing that. That's okay.

You know, when you express vulnerability, see, that's the vulnerability that the judges are looking for. And when you express vulnerability, we feel like we know you. And that's what we want. We want the connection. We want to know that that person on the other side of the screen, whether they're a million miles away, that they're a little bit more like us than we feel like we know you and that's what we want we want the connection we want to know that that person on the other side of the screen whether they're a million miles away that they're a little bit more like us than we thought and we think we're listening to we think we know he's funny we want to know he's real you you are rupaul i could step into rupaul drag if you will very easily because i think rue is really one of the most influential people

in pop culture wouldn't you say absolutely it's actually a little culture number seven rue is one of the most influential people in pop culture oh my god and now we said it really and matt oh the way you've lifted my spirits warmed my heart on this cold cold night in my apartment I you always cease to amaze me in the words of Lil Mama on America's Next Best Dance Crew that's my job as your clown best friend babe

I see you smiling and laughing and you were not doing that at the beginning I was not doing that at the beginning big old check mark you are not you are not obligated to do that with me it's my joy to do that well as long as you're happy then I'm happy

but I don't want it to ever feel like work for you that you have to like get me lifted up like you always I will always be happy when I see you and talk to you you don't have to put any effort in. I'm just happy to see my very good friend,

my best friend even, Matt Rogers. That's so kind and I'm always so happy to see you. I want to know, I'm checking on your well-being right now. Do you have a space heater? No, not even a space heater. I don't know. They're coming to look at it tomorrow morning. I hope it will be resolved by then. But tonight I'm going to like really

fucking layer up under the covers or something why don't you get a hotel no I'm not I was going to do that I was going to do that last night but tonight I maybe I'll do that

get a hotel close to work order room service for yourself tonight if I was you I would go over there and do like a late night moment and just turn around for myself real close to work have it so that you can walk it could be kind of fun i'm just maybe i'll consider i'll consider um anyway well i loved this episode we covered a lot covered taylora the taylora. Covered. BravX Taylora. We absolutely love what you've done. Adele, you are coming. So is Wendy.

Gag. The fact that the most thrilling part of this episode happened in the middle. Matt can confirm that Wendy is my favorite. Oh, yeah. You've been saying. And when you levied the accusation that I was not firmly team wendy i was like no i i said in the words of wendy i said baby let me correct the record i am teams and when i'm sorry i'm sorry that i am so excited i can't even tell you if it's next week fuck yeah well we will let

everyone know we will let everyone know but trust and believe we will craft a very good episode we will ask her all the right questions make it fun yes make it insightful there's no way it won't be insightful when it's wendy i mean wendy just always always speaks truth she's the best and she's got the book coming out the tears of my mother and she's got the line and she's got the fucking potomac reunion after a whole season. That was great. And it's going to be so fun. Can't wait! Can't wait. Ooh, baby, baby, baby.

Can't wait. We end every episode with a song. Two headlights shine through the sleepless night, and I will get you on. Get you on to, get you up. You keep changing keys.

Do I? Do I keep changing? Your name has echoed through my mind and I will just think you should, think you should know that nothing safe is worth the drive and I will follow you, follow you home follow you, follow you home love it bye I'm NK and this is

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