Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Bros, Björk, Bacon, Barlow, Beyoncé, BeReal, Beans and the Bowl" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Episode Date: October 5, 2022

In this very "B"-centric culture catchup, Matt & Bowen discuss Bros as a movie, a press event and a box office story, Smile's success and its star Sosie Bacon, Björk's newest album Fossora, "it justifies the beans", RHOSLC and RHOP, "fuchsia" as both color and word, Beyoncé edging us all with ver visuals for Renaissance, and Rihanna's announcement that she is the next Super Bowl halftime performer. All this, dream setlists for that halftime performance, stunning vocals, honest admissions, laughter, joy, discussion and podcasting at its finest.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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My friend is already making me laugh my ass off. Well, you know what you're doing to all of TikTok? Making them dance. Oh my God. Our producer Becca just let us know that it's been all over her TikTok this morning. That's the way I say TikTok. Oh my God. Our producer, Becca, just let us know that it's been all over her TikTok this morning. That's the way I say TikTok.

TikTok! TikTok! That Bowen was dancing with Moona on stage last night at their concert. It was very fun. I'll leave it at that. Still!

I was with you. I remember the day that song and video dropped. Yes! We were loading into Fire Island the first day of... It was the travel day. It was. It Yes. It was, we were loading into Fire Island the first day of, it was the travel day. Oh my god, it was.

It was, it was. I remember, I was like, I turned to you, I was like, this song, I'm gonna dance on stage to this song in a year and a half. I'll never forget, just like, one thing you can do with your friends, all the readers at home, one thing you can do is out of nowhere, you can just, when there's a quiet

moment, you can just go. Sue! Sue! I can't help you. Shit, boy! all the readers at home one thing you can do is out of nowhere you can just when there's a quiet moment you can just go what does that song mean to you it means freedom it means being able to be free yeah uh equality um it means stoner culture definitely and it means um the the permission which goes with freedom? Yeah. Do you need permission to be free? No, that's a really big question. Do you need permission to be free? Damn.

Why is this the deepest podcast on the web? Everyone, hold on. This is Honesty Zone. I actually think today is going to be Honesty Zone, to be honest. I'm ready. I'm ready to go there if you are. It has to be Honesty Zone because i don't think we can well i don't think we can comment on pop culture without being a little honesty zone today but we'll get there okay um this is my thing lost culture is just might be a serious podcast first it's very serious but one of the most

serious i think we i think we delve into meaning just meaning culture is meaning you know if culture isn't meaning i don't know what is i don't know then i don't want to be right that's a rule of culture that's a rule which one is that again number 77 number 77 if culture isn't meaning I don't wanna be right love you is wrong I don't wanna be right can I tell you what I'm so into lately what song I'm so into lately and I can't stop listening to it and I realize I think it is

my favorite song of all time what? my darling I can't get enough of your love babe what is this song i'm not familiar oh my god i should know i don't my barry white's a blind spot oh my god there's a the lead up to the chorus is so i feel the change something move i scream your name that's what you got to do when darling I can't get enough of your

love, babe. You gotta listen to it. We need a voice like Barry White's. Like literally, like someone who sounds like Barry White back in the culture. We really do. I mean, we need, I guess, bass baritone supremacy. We need them back. We truly do.

You know what song I can't stop listening to? And it's sort of giving me bass baritone, but need them back we we truly do you know who you know who's kind of you know what song i can't stop listening to and it's sort of giving me bass baritone but he's like he's a rapper first and then he kind of sings as like you know a peripheral thing is is young gravy is betty is betty by young gravy it's it's it's just it's a sample of never gonna give you up by rick astley oh so good but it's like a really funny, it's a really funny song. He's kind of like this weird mystery,

but he is apparently, oh god, whose mom was he fucking? Oh god. Someone help me out here. Hey, whose mom was Young Gravy fucking? Listen to this pop culture podcast. It was, oh my. Whose mom was Young Gravy fucking? Addison Rae. Addison Rae's mom, that culture podcast it was his mom was young gravy fucking Addison Rae

that's what it was yes yes yes thank you producer Becca I have to say that for Barry White to be a blind spot for you and for young gravy to be a blind spot for me because I do have a blind spot for him he's just sort of like popping off

now in the last few months on tiktok he's he's just sort of like popping off now in the last few months on tiktok on tiktok he's just this tall guy with like you know oh he's tall he's tall he's he's tall and he's kind of a goofy goof his mom is an insomnia psychologist i'm seeing here that's amazing very important work um she fucking i don't know addison ray you know what i always ask about every celebrity who they fucking um there should be a movie where like a rapper a white rapper dates like some like i'm writing this down i'm writing okay you know i think like a young gravy type i'm just i'm just that's coming to me now but it's a young gravy type he's fucking some tiktokers mom okay and then the mom to get back to let's just and let's i'm imagining addison ray this addison ray character like doesn't like that uh-huh and then she

as a way to do revenge sorry jen katin robinson reference uh she fucks his mom oh my god okay so let me just read back read about what you said yeah okay you're you're you're you're no so this is the pitch white rapper a young gravy type fucking a tiktoker's mom and the tiktoker doesn't like that yeah so she fucks his mom oh my god this is a huge commercial streamer this is a big commercial streamer on netflix this is a huge netflix film i think obviously like the big story at least in like pop culture in the gay community at large as of late has been bros yeah and i did go see the movie on friday night opening night and i loved it and now the weekend's over and the you know the box office numbers have come in and it was a sort of a major disappointment at

the box office it's so weird to see something trotted out and the narrative be, it's historic, it's historic, it's historic. You have to go, you have to go, you have to go. And then literally to get a receipt at the end of it that says people didn't go. You know what I mean? Like that's very demoralizing.

100%. And you kind of look back on it and think, how could it ever have possibly like occasioned that thing? The sort of like mainstream milestone historicism of it. Like I really like this is Honesty Zone like that that graded on me the entire time. It really graded on me and it was tough for me to watch that and be like, okay. And I will say that I kind of detached from it very early on. I was like, yes, I'm very lucky to be in it.

You were great in it, by the way. Like, honestly, like I, the whole audience was so happy to see you when you popped up and you were so, so funny. And at the end of the movie, you pop back in for something and that hit really hard. Oh, good, good. I felt extremely taken care of by Nick and Billy and Guy Branum, who was on set with me, you know, producing and writing wonderful alts and just being so funny. That was Guy's sort of on set alt of congratulations, you've made it to the Obama administration. Okay, anyway, that's a little spoiler, but that was all Guy Branum. But what's around the corner or whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah's a little spoiler, but that was all Guy Branum. But what's around the corner?

Or whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The movie's great. The movie's great. And it's just, I think it was tough to see it all spun a very specific way that I feel like set itself up for disappointment. This is my thing about the whole thing. We're sitting here talking about this and this huge gay romantic comedy has come out and it's really good.

And yet, here we are on Monday, October 3rd recording this and I feel like the prevailing story about it right now is that it didn't do well. And so I guess this is my thing. And maybe it is impossible and maybe it was a stack deck.

I don't know what it was like to be around marketing people for that movie, to be around execs involved in that movie, to be involved with whoever was producing it. I don't know what that situation felt like. I just know that it's a shame that the narrative couldn't just be for this. This is so fucking funny and good. It's so fucking funny. And that's the thing is like, it is. And so because the whole media narrative was so front loaded with this is important and it almost became like like a

like a mandate that that like you go see this because this is how we you know advance and if you don't we're not going to get this and it feels like like the situation that we find ourselves in as gay creators is it always has to feel like there's like an extra burden an extra thing and we can't just come out and say hey this is the thing that i worked really hard on and it's really good and it's really funny and here i am just like promoting it like any straight person would it felt like there was this just heaviness on the movie from the beginning about being historic and being important and being new which is important and i definitely had an emotional response to

buying a ticket and going and seeing that movie yeah and sitting down and experiencing that but i feel like that should have been my experience and the viewers experience rather than the media narrative because now at the end of this weekend i'm'm talking to my fellow like, you know, gay creators and artists and comedians, everyone just feels kind of like, wow, like, are they never are the are they not going to give us another chance is what they said true that we had to do this and make this succeed. And we didn't. So now, now what? So the fact that we all still feel bad after this, the fact that it sort of affirms the homework assignment of it all, I'm disappointed for the movie itself. It's such a great movie. I know I feel bad for someone like Billy who had a very unenviable thing to do. But now I go, well, I guess I am a little nervous now about whether or not this happens again, you know? But this is my question. And I think this is where I really want to have a discussion.

I really want to know what you think about this. Do you think that there's not other things to be learned from this that can help the next thing? I hope that people that are in positions of power that can make another movie like this possible, if we do get another gay rom-com in theaters like or if they are you know if they just do better on streaming whatever no one knows what the future holds anyway and it should also be said that it's extremely hard for any live action hard r comedy anyway which is another reason why it was annoying for me to have this expectation on this movie because it's almost like seeing a

man that's carrying like a mattress up a stair and then saying hey could you also be fucking gay and everyone knows it you know you know what i mean it's just like it's already hard enough to open a live action comedy without that whole thing of like and people haven't supported us before in this and you better now so like and the mattress is for a mattress firm and not like casper you know it's like it's like this new thing has sort of displaced the market for the old thing and yet this person is still carrying the old thing and it's expected to transcend the fact that it's a mattress for mattress firm this is not like a dig at mattress but's, but it's just to like metaphorize or whatever. Like the fact that like,

there are different expectations on like a non Avengers movie. Exactly. And so, so it almost felt like, okay, we haven't seen flat out a comedy really succeed, you know, at the box office in a while,

let alone like a romantic comedy, which also have struggled, let alone like a romantic comedy which also have struggled let alone a gay romantic comedy so i just think it was already going to be tough yeah and then there's this extra stuff put on top of it which is like this sort of i'm sorry but like finger wagging at gay at straight people rather which i really don't think is going to help. And now even at the end of the weekend, you see the blame being put on straight people that didn't show up, but it's just like,

is that actually helping? Like, does it, does it help to say, Hey, straight people, we noticed that you didn't show up for us this time. Thanks a lot.

Like, and that is kind of like the prevailing feeling at the end of this like press cycle is alienation is is is more like polarization yeah i uh feel that it makes sense to me that with that urgency that like wow a comedy has not a theatrical release for a comedy has not succeeded in a long time and let's like layer on all these other things there's this enormous amount of pressure and so in order to meet that urgency internally you want to externalize that by saying it's very important that everyone go see this and if you don't then it's a betrayal or it's it's it's then then we will feel wronged and then yeah for for that feeling of wrongedness to continue is really tough it just doesn't feel

good i mean the film let's just be real the film has one big star it's really a two-hander between billy and luke yeah and i thought that like luke was incredible in the movie he's excellent in it but in terms of a media thing like billy's obviously going to be the one out there he had to do pretty much the whole thing yeah like and it was a long press cycle and it's really hard and i can't imagine what it must have felt like to be him to be noted throughout the process of making the movie, pre-pro, production, post, and now the marketing, which is like the most heady, weird part of it. And you are one person. And I don't know if the studio mandated or whoever it was mandated the fact that the leading media narrative be the historic nature of it.

You know what I mean? Maybe they did. That can be an element of it, but it can't be the historic nature of it you know what i mean maybe they did that can be an element of it but it can't be the whole thing and it just felt like we got to the quality of the movie after we had maybe like exhausted this media narrative the whole time of this is important i think it was coming from one place and not necessarily it was not as top down as we might think it is okay because I feel like on the poster you're seeing in bold letters from the director of forgetting Sarah Marshall yeah the producer of trainwreck 40 year old virgin whatever you know

like neighbors um director of neighbors yeah it's like that marketing on, let's just say the poster was telling you that this was going to be a very funny movie. Yes. This actually brings me to something in the movie. And I think it's actually indicative of like... The fact that the museum is the first LGBT museum. That's not what I was going to say. I was actually going to, and you and I have spoken about this monologue that Billy has on the beach. Excellent monologue that Billy has on the beach. Excellent monologue. Okay, but I thought I was truly breathless through that monologue. I was like, wow, this is really good. For those who haven't seen the movie,

and guys, go see the movie. Go see it. Because it is so funny, and I just wish everyone could get, like, yes, it has a high Rotten Tomatoes score. Yes, it's critically acclaimed. The cinema score is an A. That means everyone that's seeing that is loving it leaving it being like everyone should go you should go because it's all getting in the way of the fact that this is really good but us on this podcast we're sort of just reacting to what's happening in pop culture and this is

what's happening in pop culture this is where we're at with this movie but i want to just pull something from the film which is that beach monologue, which is Billy is talking about. He's responding to Luke's character saying he's the most confident person he's ever met. And Billy said, yeah, I'm confident because i had to fight my entire life to make sure that i proved that all the straight people that all the naysayers were wrong that i did deserve to be happy that i did serve to be successful because i knew in my heart that they were wrong and then there's a moment in the monologue where he looks out to the water and he says, and they were, and he says again, and they were.

And you think it should have ended there? It should have ended right there. Yeah. Because I was like, oh my God. Yes, they were. This is Billy Eichner.

You know what I mean? Like, and can I just say pulling out? I love Billy Eichner. I have listed Billy Eichner on so many lists of like my top influences. He truly, genuinely, Louis Vertel said this online and I think it's so true. He brought a niche type of pop culture, like gay male humor that we share and brought it to the mainstream and thought, and like, you know, it may not be your thing, but if it

is, it really is. And Billy Eichner is someone who he can do pretty much no wrong for me and making me laugh. Like he always makes me laugh. And he's also such a nice guy and he's a very sweet person. And I think he's deserving of success here with this. But in this monologue, he says, and they were, and they were, and there's a moment where it feels like it should end. And then he keeps going. And it's clear that his character, and I think by extension, maybe him, is still very bitter about this idea that straight people have held him down. Or if like, you know, he goes in, he even says like words that we all say to each other like how many times have we been called too niche to that whatever and he says these things like sort of

out loud and i'm sitting there thinking i think this was all actually much more implicit in what he's already said and maybe by going a little bit too far in this there's something else revealed that stops it from being like i'm on your side and starts me saying i see that you're angry yeah you know what i mean and i just think whether it's for a romantic comedy or for this film or for us our attitude going forward in general can i just say you're right they were wrong they were. We needn't be angry anymore. You know what I mean? They were wrong about you.

They were. You're a movie. You are a star. You know what I mean? Like, like, and like, you know,

it's, it's so affirming that we got this moment. Yeah. Like the best writing, especially for a moment like that is subtextually rich. And he kind of, it went a little too far well he kind of brought the subtext up to the surface that's what i mean not even up to the surface

just kind of like pulled it up out of the water or whatever you know like um that's interesting that's really interesting i really i really i i was breathless that entire monologue too when i watched i was like this is an excellent performance. Yeah, he was great. And that is, I think that is the midpoint of the film. It is. Yeah. Basically that's, that's like where it's like very clear that they are in love or like,

or like that it's happening between them. And I will say this, I was so charmed by, I was much more charmed than I thought I would be by the actual romantic aspect of it. Like everyone had been leaving me like, Oh my God, it's so funny. You're going to love the jokes.

And I really did. I mean, there's some jokes here that I will remember. Like the Debra Messing thing is incredible. Debra Messing is so funny in it. Like there's a moment where like, like you see Luke at his job and like he, he,

he's talking to some guy and like i won't spoil it but the line about cher's staff that was so funny the kamala and the kamala impressionist was so funny there's just there's so many things and all the pop culture references like the names of fake shows and stuff like all of that was just hitting on such a deep level but i was really taken by the fact that i really like actually bought their romance like i i i was really with them until then it became a little bit i felt in the script it was like oh this is when the characters fight because the movie needs them to fight yeah um but but i was very charmed by their chemistry and like i loved the weird sex that they had that felt very yes real right

yeah yeah um so yes we're saying to you publicist readers katie's um that you should definitely see it but not because it's compulsory because you will enjoy it no matter yeah guaranteed you will enjoy it it's also like relevant to us and our interest and i'll say like i said this to you and joel but i feel like being a part of fire island and literally seeing and even more than seeing like feeling how the sausage was made sort of like when i sat down to ultimately watch that movie in the movie theater like i i didn't get to have like a full wholly complete experience watching it as like a gay moviegoer because I was in it. You know what I mean? We were in it. But with this, I went and I

was like, my theater was about 90% full and it was all these gay men laughing at these gay jokes and all this stuff and it felt really good. I actually left the theater being like, this movie's going to be successful. I really think that people are going to come see this.

And then when I Googled how it had done at the box office, I just really, my heart sank because it deserved better than that. And I wonder if we could have set it up for success. But it's not for lack of trying. And like I said, I know how hard they worked in promoting it. They worked tirelessly. Absolutely.

And I, maybe what's pulling at me is that it's like, there is no like right person or thing to blame necessarily. Even as we're saying all this, like, you know, who knows? Like, we don't, we just don't know. Even after we like posit all these things it's it's not definitive and so we're just here talking on our podcast about pop culture being like it might have been this it might have been that who knows if it was this who knows if it was something else but yeah anyway please go see it yeah i mean people should

go see it and also you know what it what? It's not necessarily a capital F failure because there could be great word of mouth. And what we're telling you is like, from us to you, like, it's so funny. Yes. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. Oh my gosh.

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Smile. Sosie Bacon talking about smile. Sosie Bacon talking about smile. But you know what? They had really clever marketing. Did you hear that? And this, by the way, Smile was like a huge hit this weekend. And it was funny because I was leaving Bros and it was

like, I guess both movies had come out at the same time. Yes. And I was like, I saw some people that I knew and I was like, oh my God, so funny, right? And they go, and they go, oh, really? You thought it was funny? We were so scared. I was like, at Bros? And they were like, oh, no, no, no.

We saw Smile. And I was like, oh, I was like, oh, I just saw Bros. And they're like, oh, cool. Yeah, for sure. I was just like, oh, I just saw bros. And they're like, oh, cool. Yeah, for sure. I was just like, oh, are all you people coming out of Smile? Like, but they were all coming out of Smile. This is really illuminating

because I'm sure there's no possible way you will ever see Smile. But if you go into Smile going... And I love Sosie. She's a friend of ours. Oh my God. If you go into Smile going, maybe I'm going to trick my brain into thinking this is a comedy.

Okay. Then like, you could enjoy it. Could it work? All right. I mean, probably not. Apparently Sosie gives a harrowing performance.

I mean, Sosie's talented. We were talking about this. It's tour de force. Actors giving tour de force in a horror movie. Maybe worthwhile for you. And you know what too? Because I do know her,

like maybe I'll be able to laugh at it a little bit more like, oh that's Sosie it's not real, she's not really dying or killing someone or whatever the fuck happens in it. She's okay, she lives. What I love about that, and Joel really made a really good point about this, is you know, mid-budget horror is where they can make these

sort of cool decisions. Creative decisions, yeah. Yeah, they're going to put Sosie in the lead. Like, I don't think people knew her name out there in middle America. I think people maybe recognize her from Mare of Easttown or whatever. Maybe they know that she has famous

parents or whatever. She was an interesting, fun choice for Smile. Yes, definitely. She's a fucking movie star. And Robert Weigert's another therapist hello hello i met so see i met so see years ago um she was doing an like an off-broadway musical with dave and she's got a great voice too so there's lots of stuff hidden there i i embarrassed myself on the today show she was right across the stage from me and

i was like there's so see and was like, we went to school together. And then that was not factually correct. It's just that she knew Dave. Yeah. And I had assumed that I traced it. I interpolated too far into NYU days. And that's not what happened. Yeah.

So she did an off-broad musical with Dave, with also Lauren Pritchard from Spring Awakening, the original cast of spring awakening and that's how i met her and she and david hit it off like right away and sort of like any friend of dave's a friend of mine so it's like she became like she's a very cool girl and it's very awesome to see obviously we wanted bros to come out at number one but like it's pretty cool that so see is the star of you know smile the number one movie and i was saying about their marketing did you see um I don't know,

I was reading an article about, like, comparing the success of Smile with, like, the failure, quote-unquote, of Bros this weekend, and they were saying the way that Smile marketed their movie was really interesting. Like, they hired, I guess, actors to sit behind the home plate at a baseball game

and just smile like this the whole time. Ha ha ha ha ha whole time and the camera would pan in on them and was like what's this it looks like the people like behind home plate or have some sort of scary affliction to find out about this you better go see smile this weekend and that's the kind of marketing that i think is really clever you know what i mean like yeah like where where is the cleverness with this marketing? I know. It can be fun. It can be fun. It can be fun.

Just get out there. Do something silly at a sports game. Period. Yeah. Do something silly at a sports game. It's actually roller coaster number 93. Do something silly at a sports game. Period.

Yeah. Oh, my God. It really is spooky season, Bo. It's spooky season. And how... Before we get into spooky season, can I quickly just ask you about your experience

with Fasora, the Bjork album that just came out? Because you in the group chat with a bunch of Bjork heads, Josh Sharp, Aaron Jackson, Patrick Rogers, me, every now and then. I think Whitaker's into Bjork too. Whit bunch of Bjork heads. Yeah. Josh Sharp, Aaron Jackson, Patrick Rogers, me every now and then.

I think Whitaker's into, Whitaker, Whitaker, Whitaker loves Bjork. I've, I've, I've always enjoyed Bjork on a very like innocent, uninformed level my whole life.

And then going to Iceland, I like, it just, you, it felt like I had to listen to her and it, and it all clicked. And I was like, okay,

I'm listening to every single album start to finish and it it all makes sense to me now so i'm happy to answer any questions or address any concerns but talk to me about your experience with fesora which is a tough album to get into with her yeah so basically for all the readers um i am not really a bjork person you know what i mean like you could probably intuit that if you listen to this podcast about me, like I don't, I appreciate what she's doing. I get it,

but I don't get it. You know what I mean? Like I can't listen to it. And like, really, there's not really a place for me to land in it. But when I was tripping balls with my sisters in fire Island, they actually played crystalline.

They played crystalline and they were sort of, I don't really, you actually... We played Crystalline. They played Crystalline and they were sort of... I don't really... Going off. You guys got very witchy on the doc. We were witchy and then at the end of Crystalline, she has like a thousand drum beats

all converge at once. Completely insane. And then it became a little mini mosh moment and we were all fucking head bobbing, head rocking. It was euphoric. And so then you were like, let me check this woman out let me check this girl out well when i see all my dear girls enjoying my i like i said my my uh my three older sisters and my two good little sisters enjoying

um bjork so i was like all right let me just try to put it on yeah and i'll say you know how on spotify like you can put it on but in I'll say, you know how on Spotify you can put it on, but in the background there's those images? Yes, yes, Canvas, yeah. I had to turn it off because those images were very scary to me. It was like a sort of fungi, like some sort of lava lamp fungi moment

and just, it overwhelms me. Bjork overwhelms me. I completely understand that. First of all, Canvas, turn it off. I don't like it. It's distracting when I listen to music on Spotify. I don't really care for the visuals most of the time. I just want to see the square and the picture. That's it. Second of all, to be overwhelmed by Bjork is... Gay culture. Gay culture. That's a rule of culture. what number is that again 150 150 to be overwhelmed by bjork is gay culture but that's big but then once you accept that there is there are very few

footholds in her music yeah then that's when you can sort of like completely rethink your your concept of pop music. Cause she is, she is considered a pop artist. Yes. You know? And so, okay. Jason P.

Frank actually wrote a great piece in Vulture about like how to access Bjork because she is inaccessible, but it seems like the people who really love her are like in on something. And it's that once you realize that it's meant to be boundary-less, that structure doesn't really exist in the same way as most pop music and melody and all this other stuff, it can be a little fun. And then I think maybe start with Vespertine, which is like,, it's genius,

like, she's a genius, because when Vespertine came out, um, she, it's a lot of, like, icy sounds, it's a lot of, like, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, and it's, like, she, that was very intentional, because it was right when Napster was big, and right when, like, MP3s were, like, a concept and introduced into the world, and people were downloading music, and she was, like,

I need to sonically make this album about even if you download it a million different times and the quality of the audio is completely bastardized and diminished like once it lands in people's computers or whatever cds like it should still sound like the same does that make sense like the sounds are very sharp and so therefore that that sort of resolution and then in the sound is maintained no matter how many times it's downloaded like she is so she's incredibly forward thinking yeah she she really is and i i do get that's that's part of it part of it that i get is yeah i understand that she wants the uh listener to have a different type of experience than someone who is following a pop structure would.

I guess for me, I'm just such a... I'm actually such a structure person when it comes to film, television, music. I actually think the structures of all of these things make it exciting because I like to see someone i like to see someone experiment within a structure and then when something is sort of structureless or follows its own structure rather to not sound so pejorative it's more of a leap for me because i'm i'm waiting for the structure it's just like there's like a rhythm that i'm like waiting for whereas with her i actually was laughing hysterical at the end of crystalline because

essentially it sounds like. Chaos. Like a volcanic eruption. It's yes. It sounds like destruction in a way where I was like, actually like, this is hilarious to me. It's so funny.

And I think that, yeah, there has to be like, it has to come from a place of humor in some way because it's so crazy. And it felt like my body had been tossed around in a million directions and therefore so had my emotions. And I was like, okay, I understand that that was the intended response. I just don't know that I could, like, it surprises me that so many people listen to her so much. Well, she started out like she, Oh my God. She's just,

she's so funny. So you should, so this podcast came out pretty recently where she like, each episode is her talking about the album and the really interesting interviews. And her whole thing is you would think that Bjork is very like highbrow or that like the people who listen to her are like oh like incredibly sophisticated or whatever but she's always been like my music is for everyone it's not for like it's not for like quote-unquote like educated

people yeah like like snot music snobs it's not for music snubs it's for everyone and then she goes um when she first started out she came from this this punk band, the Sugar Cubes, and then she went solo. And when she went solo, she was like, I felt like people were limiting me. And she goes, as a woman, if you're a solo artist, as a woman, people try to box you in, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But then she

puts it in the best way. She goes, I didn't want to be Smurfette. I wanted to be all the Smurfs. And she's so funny. And this has been helpful for me all of gaga's kookiness is just like a watered down thing that bjork has done in the past some might say why has this been helpful for you because it's like i love i will i love everything gaga's ever done yeah and i think gaga is as inspired by madonna as she is by bjork and like the visuals being like so crazy especially early on when she was wearing like crim of the frog dresses like

that's like you know like the swan dress is iconic yes it is and bjork is just like bjork just gets it she's just like doesn't take it seriously. Icelandic through and through. The Icelandic people are just so like wonderfully unflappable as a people. And I feel like that's Bjork as an artist. You know, what's interesting is like you mentioned the swan dress. And I also think the reason why I'm sort of like, I had never thought she was for me is because when the swan dress happened and when her performance on the Oscars I've seen it all from dance to the door I remember sitting there

I was I think I was nine nine yeah yeah and so I was watching it and I had just become familiar with the Oscars basically through the phenomenon of Titanic right and so by proxy my heart will go on and the phenomenon of Titanic, right? And so, by proxy, My Heart Will Go On. And the type of music

I was told was very good, was very structured, stuff like that. And so, the type of glamour I was also told, or how you look at a red carpet was also very clearly telegraphed to a 7, 8, 9-year-old

me. And then, here comes Bjork with The Swan, which was carpet was also like very clearly telegraphed to like a seven eight nine year old me and then here comes bjork with the swan which was full-on swan's body wrapped around her damn neck in a tutu and then she went out in that outfit no costume changed and performed one of the strangest songs i've ever heard in such a manner that i had never seen before and i remember turning to my mom and being like this is terrible yeah this is terrible yeah yeah this is terrible right right like she was on all the worst dress list because no one got it yeah now in my adulthood not only do i get the swan dress I think it's so funny and good but also that performance of that song

and that song are so haunting and beautiful and I just never could have gotten it as like a little idiot being told by the media that this is weird and stupid and like weird and stupid equals bad so like hate this hate Bjork she's wild

and from Iceland and now as an adult i'm like okay wait there's so much more here than i ever would have thought and probably that song should have won the oscar oh what did when do you remember what did within the oscar that year i think it was a song from uh i think it was uh god uh some bob dylan song oh it's bob dylan that's right it was bob yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but i feel like bjork is just a beautiful rich meal and anytime it's there for you anytime there's no shelf life on it um it's non-perish it's a beautiful non-perishable meal like like all all the albums hold up it's like can can of beans. It's like can of beans, but delicious. The Real Housewives of New York City

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Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Speaking of beans, have you seen, like, so online, like, you know how, how like there was like this um like everyone was obsessed with a while with courtney take your break from legally the new one that's going around is and it's just so funny well it started with people sending around the stephanie clip right like stephanie j block fully belts it out yeah yeah yeah very fiercely belted out and stuff

but like i saw a super cut recently of like high school girls singing and honestly it's hard because the like the ju that vowel is hard to like just it's hard to get up there like it's hard to it's just it's a hard vocal and then the beans it's just like it's just like not an easy part of that song to sing so of course we've heard sarah borealis do it like joanna gleason do it and you know like all these people do it that have been able to do it because they've done it professionally but watching these high school girls try to do it is so funny because you can tell it's just like flailing in the dark like laser tag with no gun yeah just like that vibe like completely lost shooting at nothing yeah like flailing in the sky. But that's the one that has been sort of viral lately,

and I recommend you watching one. I'm going to do it. That's the beauty of Into the Woods, too, is that it's the most easily, you know, mountable for high schools, for, like, a young cast. And therefore, like, you just... There's just so much, like, goodness there, and, like, innocence there. And they much like goodness there and like innocence there

and they only do the first half that's right yeah they stop at the high schools do I don't know if readers know this they probably do but like high schools don't do the second half of Into the Woods for their musicals and stuff the giant is tough for high school well it just gets

a little existential you understand they don't want to see the baker's wife get stomped all the way out, which, spoiler alert, she does. Spoiler alert. Speaking of the Sondheim of it all, this podcast continues to predict the future. What do you mean? When we said we wanted to see a big budget

Sweeney Todd. Oh, yeah. And lo and behold, we're getting... Josh Groban and Anna Lee. I think it'll be great with a 26 piece orchestra and they're both committed for a year i also heard this but is but weren't we weren't you and i talking about how like beanie was committed for six months i don't know how long she was committed but basically like i mean they're human beings like they can do whatever like when you're under contract,

no one's going to put a gun to your head and be like, you have to do this shit. But, like, I mean, I don't know. Like, I would imagine that Judy was contracted. I'm just kidding. I would imagine that Beanie was contracted longer than she did the show. But then it was, like, not a tenable situation

for her or their production. So they probably let her go early. Especially because it happened so quickly. I'm very excited. I will say, and this could be and i don't think so honey but i won't do that either um i try to get tickets today was when the tickets were dropping for merrily we roll along at the new york theater workshop starring jonathan groff and daniel radcliffe and and a wonderful cast um but i gosh could not do it and i i set an alarm i was on it the minute the clock struck 12 couldn't do it and so they sold out it sold out within like i i was in the queue for like

12 20 minutes and then like it just booted me and i was like oh no what a bummer yeah it's hard to buy tickets online you know what what what they say is always call. Because no one calls. The New York Theatre Workshop website says, do not call us. Do not call us. Do it through the website. And I was like, well, shit.

Okay, well, then you know what? If it's going to be a mandate that we do it through the website, then the websites have to be prepared to handle that kind of traffic. And they have to be prepared to, like, I mean, it's ridiculous. Like these websites have to, you know, got to get it together gotta get together it's like with be real it's like okay like let's like let's like make this usable and have the the pictures upload mama if it's gonna be it's time to be real when i flip open the app why am i waiting to get the option to take my picture just give me an option to take my picture now honey it's time for you you're telling me it's time to be real i'm telling me it's time to be real. I'm telling you it's time to be functional.

Yeah, how about that? That's actually little culture number 30. It's time to be real. It's time for you to be functional. Don't think that you're just going to mention be real and me not bring up your startling and salient sketch.

It made salient points. All my work is startling and salient there's a rumor online about the Las Culturistas bit to SNL sketch pipeline but what is that I don't think there are that many examples there's been a couple times where it seems like something that was a bit

on this podcast it has been at times it has been at times no that was I, that was purely inspired by the conversations that we've had on this. I literally found out what Be Real was on this podcast. And then I pitched it to Celeste. I was

like, okay, it's a bank robbery and then Be Real goes off. And they were like, great. I was like, I think the PDD boys had a similar idea where it happens in surgery. And I was like, okay, that's funny too. And then we all met up and we were like, we just all kind of talked it down and it was so fun and god like the boys were great celeste was great directed by new director um tim wilkeim and wonderful it was it was it was very fun i thought miles was great i thought miles teller was a great host

miles is fun nyu boy was Was that freshman dorm was Third North? Wait, really? Yeah. And then he was at Lafayette. And it's been a big NYU week for me. When did he graduate? He was like 2009, 2008. We overlapped.

But we overlapped with him. He was Strasburg. Oh, so yeah. He must have been in school when we were. So yeah. Oh, yeah. So we were there. He must have been a freshman.

He graduated 2009. Okay. Yeah. He must have been a senior when we were freshmen. Anyway. And then I did today's show with Jacob Soboroff and he was like, I was at Hayden. And then now it's called something else. But remember Hayden?

He's a cutie. He's very cute. He's very cute. Is he G-A-Y? No. No. He's's not very h-e-t-e-r-o oh okay yeah yeah yeah sorry to this man sorry to this man um for some reason maybe this is the year of me like coming to terms with my NYU alum identity because I've kind of I've kind of blacked it out for several years before this.

Every now and then I'll be like, oh yeah, I went to that school. I forget that I went there until I remember. You know what I mean? It's so funny to have gone to college there, because I guess when you go to NYU, you're just in New York City, and so that kind of is the vibe.

But I don't know. The city is your campus even? Period. Here at NYU the city is your campus. God. Should we go back and do like a corny ass PSA or no never accept money from them? No I don't want to

accept money from them. Sorry NYU. I'm never giving you money. Stop sending me this alum bullshit. Oh yeah it's so funny to me. You don't need it. You have more than enough from me. Thank you very much. I'm not giving you a shilling.

You're not getting a shilling from me. Matt Rogers, there's an exciting development. All we'll say is that you and my and our good Judy Joel Kim booster competed on Celebrity Jeopardy recently we did

and the episode will be coming out I didn't compete against Joel Kim but we taped episodes on the same day I think I can say that and I can't say how it went, but I can say that it's going to be good content. And watch the whole episode.

Oh. Four episodes. Honestly, it was really fun. I had a nice little conversation with Mayim Bialik. Yes. I actually, I told her, I was like, I was like, you had a podcast episode with Kelly Clarkson that was like so good.

Because Kelly Clarkson was on Mayim's podcast. And it was like such a good, honest episode of like, it was giving good podcasts. And I had to tell her, I was like, I really enjoyed that. And she was very nice and lovely. I will say, when you are on Jeopardy, which is like so surreal. It's crazy. It's so crazy.

It's such a beautiful stage. Like, it's like, and like, I can't say who I competed against, but it was a really fun group. And you do think like, oh my God, like to watch Alex Trebek stomp out here and do it like so majestic. Like, he really was so so he had the gravitas and one thing i loved about mayim was she didn't come out beforehand to like say hi how are you thank you for doing this it was just we saw her for the first time live on the day she came out and hit the podium and then started the game and i was like yes i thought that was actually like giving k-u-n-t i was like i was like absolutely i was like don't say hi to us you're the host of jessica the host

period and then i did think like wow what the added nerves it must have been to have like trebek like stock out there had that tall drink of water and like do it like oh my god but like i said i had an amazing time it's it's a sophisticated show in that it is like i would only ever host a game show if it if it was chic well i'm saying not that i'm saying i would only host a game show if it was like if it wasn't like hey here we are playing this i would only host a game show if it was like welcome to the game show and here we go. You know, like that kind of thing. And I think maybe the play is about that. I think the play

is about a game show that's very like quiet and like low frequency. This play that you're referencing that we're gonna do? Yeah. Yeah. And I just think like there's something there and then like, whatever. Is it a play where you play the host and I play the contestant?

And I challenge your conceptions of what you thought the game was? I think it's, write this down. I think this is a good pitch with the sort of

young gravy tick. I can't believe we're going to write two movies. How does he challenge your conception of your quiet game that you host then?

Oh, it's not about the game. No, the game is always going to be quiet. Okay, but what if I challenge that? no, it's, okay the game no the game is always going to be quiet okay but what am i challenged no it's okay well you obviously the obviously like this sort of let's just say this is not the right usage of the term but the chukov's gun is that like at one point i yell and things get loud and people scream and like and then that disrupts the entire sort of like

equilibrium of the thing where it's like this is supposed to be a quiet game show. Why are we why are we yelling? And that's when the audience gets nervous, you know? So maybe it's that you have a pomp and circumstance. Mm-hmm. Is that the way to say it? Yeah, sure. You have a dignity and serenity around this game. Yes, yeah.

And then when someone comes in and challenges that, that's when the play begins. And the play is the thing. The play is the thing. I feel like i'm not tripping here am i like that sounds like a really solid piece of play it sounds like a huge commercial play why i've never said commercial no and it is it's going to be really important because when people buy tickets to this big commercial play they're also buying tickets to two gay men on stage together it's historic you can't do that

it's historic what are you going to do not laugh cause then you'll cry save you from crying I think no this is the plan literally the venue idea is New York Theatre Workshop

so that we're there and then I get to go up to the people who run the damn website and go, change the ticketing system. 20 years ago, I couldn't buy tickets to Merrily. Why do you think this is going to happen in 20 years? I don't know, because plays take a long time. Art takes a long time.

Because you're so booked. Art takes a long time, yeah, aka so booked. Art takes a long time. Yeah, aka that's Bowen's nice way of saying I'm too fucking booked to do a play. What else? What else? Housewives? Oh yeah, well, the Salt Lake girls are fucking back.

Let's just say that. And not a moment too soon. Did you enjoy the premiere? Because I know that you sort of... You dragged your feet with Salt Lake. Not really. The trailer just didn't hit me maybe i was just not in a good in the right mindset for the trailer when it came out but i was like this looks fine and like the whole black guy i think like heather's black eye i'm like she fell okay no one hit her she fell down hit her fucking eye socket on you know a banister the end, let's not draw this out. But, um, like, that

maybe, like, bugged me the entire time. I'm like, why are we pretending? Anyway, it's wonderful. I'm so glad these women are back. I was watching it at work with Celeste. Um, and they were like, Heather's the only one. And I was like, I guess so. No.

Wrong! Tell Celeste I said wrong and then push their head. Yeah, okay. What do you think? What do you think? Heather is not the only one. Okay, so this is my take on the first episode of Salt Lake City Housewives. Okay.

One, Lisa Barlow is a one-of-a-kind creature for television. And her walking in with her diet coke she now like knows what she's doing enough to holding the cup to her head yeah yeah it's so funny and i think that she is she knows the identity in the sense that she makes things happen in the show without it being like i'm producing she just kind of puts herself in situations where they get emotionally heated and we have to respect that like her crying breaking down to seth at the end of the episode when meredith wouldn't even turn her back at the end that that to me was the housewives that i like yes and it's honest yes it

feels real and it feels based on something crazy that that a person would do like and and i i just i love that. I think that everything Meredith is saying about Lisa and these rumors about her cheating and doing sexual favors in order to get Vita Tequila in certain establishments is, I don't believe it. I don't think it's true. And is that not very produced?

Like Meredith trying to produce? I understand why she's doing it. And I almost think there is a hidden point to doing it which is see look i can just say any fucking thing too how does it feel because i also don't believe that meredith fucked half of new york you know what i mean but lisa got to just say that and then it gets to be out there and meredith deals with the strife well guess what bitch i can say whatever i fucking want to and people can decide whether or not it's true how do you like it? so I do think it is a

while it's a wild response and it's like a decidedly engaged response and I don't think it's true I understand the intent of her doing it yes yes yes now re-Heather this is where I push Celeste's head this is so violent

yeah well Celeste they can hit me back I challenge Celeste to a fight only upper body no kicks and they're lucky because I have a very strong leg long and powerful

long powerful jacked leg hairy Heather got absolutely smoked in her first scene by whitney because his entire narrative has been the church is so hard like i'm such a bad mormon like leaving the church oh stressed because of the church again today like what about my daughters in the church like my parents in the church like me in the church the church the church whitney comes in and she's like guess what mama I'm taking myself off the fucking mailing list yeah I'm not even getting into heaven I'm going to hell officially I printed out a document that says I'm being damned and I'm gonna sign it and Heather was just like uh okay and I bet she feels some type of way about the fact that whitney is living out the storyline

in a more explicit interesting way than heather actually can because at the end of the day heather can't like woman up enough to get herself off that registry she does it yeah perhaps this is the first grain seed whatever into their conflict for the rest of the season i think it's something because i don't think i i think if we're gonna set the whole thing up with whitney and heather have a falling out and then this is gonna be the first thing we open on them doing i think that it must be a thing yeah. Whitney's just doing this because she doesn't want to just, you know, have a door knock and it's the fucking church. Yeah. We're just checking in. Where's the money?

I get it. I'm on her side. I wouldn't want to be bothered either. 100%. And I also think like, and we always say this about Heather when the reunions roll around, but she seems extremely high on her own supply at reunions. And it's just interesting because I feel like, and maybe this is harsh, but I think she left the church, but she's still just as righteous. I think she's still just as judgmental and righteous as she always was. Because I think maybe she's not a member of the church, but she's still someone that was formed by that church.

And her personality was heavily informed by the experience of being a religious Mormon. And the way that she treats other people, the way that she sort of... And you'll notice that the thing she says about other women is, you don't treat me right. You talk down to me. You disregard me. You do this to me. You do this this to me but i feel she does that to other people 100 and her she only thinks in terms of status i feel which is interesting because i don't know how you feel and we haven't even spoken about but this allys this allyship that Heather and Meredith still have

with Jen, I don't think it's doing what they think it's doing. I don't look at that and think, wow, what good friends ride or dying with Jen. I think, guys, there's real victims here. This isn't even an Erica Jane thing. And the Beverly Hills women

really do give Erica a harder time than these Salt Lake City women give Jen, who's actually responsible for these people's maladies. Directly. You know, whatever. I mean, Coach Shaw is an interesting character in all of this, I think. But watching Jen Shaw,

the woman, the person, just, like, crumble in this way, slowly, and wither on the vine, I go, oh, oh this is this ain't good and this is this is not ending well and we all know where this is headed which is the guilty plea but to watch her in this first episode be like i'm not taking the plea deal yeah like it's so like oh this fucking this fucking person yeah i don't know i wonder how they're going to make it interesting and compelling for

an entire season yeah we we know she's going to be like i'm innocent i'm innocent i'm innocent yet we know she's guilty and that she admits to guilt so it's essentially just going to be us watching her gaslight her friends all year yeah and ultimately i guess what's going to be interesting about it is how they land knowing this is true. Right, right. Oh, remind me. The episode started in a beautiful sort of artistic display of editing. Like, I feel like the way it was edited was wonderful.

True crime. Well, it was like these like, you know, whatever, like desaturated shots of like the women being like, it's Heather being like, my friendship with Whitney is as strong as ever. And then it cuts to like. Heather is the best person. Yes. Oh, it was the first season confessionals, right? That's what it was. And it's just like, this is all being completely turned on its head.

Every single thing these women, like all of these things that each of these women are saying will be completely inverted. Yeah. The foundations of all these characters is shaken off the hinge. Yes. Beautiful way to start this season. I'm so excited. I'm pumped. I'm pumped. And so that

did what the trailer was trying to do, I think, which is to like excite me. And I'm glad they saved it for the actual episode because now I'm like, I can't wait to see how this turns out. RuPaul again. And this weekend is the premiere of Potomac. I can't wait.

And I've seen it. Oh, lucky fool. And it is delivering. And I will say, it feels like Bravo has realized Potomac is that girl. Yes! And because they got new outfits for the intro, it's leveled up.

I can't tell you, there's just a quality to it. There's an awareness. There's an awareness. There's an awareness. And it's almost like they've been like, like okay girls you can be the girls now but that's and i'm so glad they're finally getting rewarded because five out of seven of those women are original season one people like the retention on that on that show is remarkable yeah for seven seasons five of these women have stayed is it is it karen giselle

ashley robin and um or am i just before it's four and then sharice is now the race is now back and so that's five and then there's obviously wendy candace and um mia mia and the only person who's like out completely is monique correct so yeah yeah so honestly like which is i think why some of these other franchises aren't feeling as successful anymore it's because it feels like we either lost the core group or the core group lost it i think in the case of like new york the core group lost it whereas like you know in beverly hills the core group is gone yeah and now it's just like are they friends like would these

women ever hang out like I don't I can't answer that yes but Potomac I'm like the lines are clearly drawn and it's fun to have those lines be completely like erased to have Candice

and Ashley team up this season is so exciting to me these two women these two women fucking hate each other truly yeah every single one of the characters on the show starts off with a really strong storyline great right away great like it's it and i'm i mean across the board like there's no one that after the first episode of potomac you're like they're gonna have a weak season everyone is set up for an incredibly strong season i would say especially ashley like like ashley it it's about her and um there's still so much places to go with that storyline and there's so much discussion to be had about how she's handling it because it is not what you think it's not a one-to-one like

it's a divorce like it's complicated yeah and they're all gonna have very interesting opinions on it and yeah i'm just excited for you to see it because also I won't spoil anything but one of the women has a very interesting connection with a character from another franchise which is really good and this is all episode one? this is all episode one

so we can talk about it more next week or next time we have a group for catch up but Potomac's giving. And Salt Lake and Potomac on at the same time, that is supremacy. We're eating. Okay. Yeah. And hopefully the reunion of Beverly Hills will give.

Yes. I will say, I'm just manifesting this, would love to have a Candace, a Karen on the pod very soon. Yeah. I mean, that would be fab. And also another thing is we have to have Casey and Danielle on. Oh my God. We keep saying this is like the fourth time. I literally,

I just, Danielle, I just am with Danielle. I think we want to do it in like a month. So like when the, when the Beverly Hills reunion is wrapping up slash Salt Lake and Potomac get going a little bit more. We'll have perfect.

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Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo. Or stream it on City TV+. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski. Guess what, folks? We're teammates again. And we're going to welcome you guys all to Dudes on Dudes. I'm a dude, you're a dude,

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate delusional dreamer and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate,

delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one.

This is I Don't Think So, Honey. This is our segment. We do every episode. It's our one-minute rant on something that is really grinding our gears in pop culture. Matt, do you have something? You know what's funny? You know what I watched a bunch of episodes of last night? The Voice.

And I was looking for an I Don't Think So Honey in The Voice. And I have to say, there's still no I Don't Think So Honey about The Voice, except maybe too many country singers. But Camila Cabello is giving. And you know what I noticed about Carson Daly? He really gets excited with the families when the people get the chair turned for them. He's like a little nerd.

So I thought maybe what I'd do with I Don't Think So Honey about the voice, but I won't. And I'm going to do the other thing I had an idea about. Thank you for letting us peek into that thought process. Because the voice is just good. Thought process. Yeah. Blind auditions anyway.

Can't poke holes. Okay. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so honey. His time starts now. I don't think so honey. The spelling of the word fuchsia. So fuchsia is spelled like this.

F-U-C-H-S-H-I-A. No, you've already lost the thread. It's flawed. What is it? What is it? No, no no i don't know f u f u s c h i a no no so it's fuchsia should be spelled like this and let's just just go with me fuchsia should be spelled like this f u s c h you're right you're right it should be spelled like that it's spelt like this fuck you it's like few f-u-c-h is a few sort of

like florence pew p-u-g-h but yeah but even that is more clear than fuchsia i just feel like you're asking for kids to be traumatized in a spelling bee by spelling this word like this and that's cruelty and that's bullying you're not thinking about the children. And we have to think about the children much more. I don't think so, honey. The spelling of fuchsia. You are tripping up sixth graders everywhere. And this 32-year-old man.

I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute. This all came about because I was wearing a fuchsia suit to an event the other night. Oh, you looked gorgeous at the Equality Awards. You and Joel and Torian. Oh my God. We were given the equality award visibility award sister support you guys all looked so good thank you um and you were there in spirit winning

the award as well um but anyway i was like wow i wore fuchsia and i went to spell it and it took me so long to find the correct spelling of fuchsia and then i was like what is the etymology of this one honey like yeah what is it let's look it up let's look it up let's look it up fuchsia okay so now i'm seeing the spelling is f-u-c-h-s-i-a fucksia fucksia which you don't tell me twice yeah okay what's the lang what's the language origin fuchsia okay fuchsia color fuchsia language origin fuchsia is a vivid pinkish purplish red color named after the color

of the flower of the fuchsia plant which was named by a French botanist Charles Plumier after the 16th century German botanist Lennard Fuchs I want some letters. Fuse. No, this isn't helping. I need to know. It's German. It must be a German

word because it was named after a German botanist. U-C-H-S is not Ush, but whatever. I don't know. I have a serious problem with the spelling of this word and it's such a shame because it's such a beautiful color. It's such a beautiful color. Such a gorgeous color.

People are afraid of it because of the spelling. I really do think so. Can I ask you a question? Yeah. Was that Sudfusha? Yes. It was. Okay, thanks. For all the readers that don't know, I suffer with colorblindness. It's actually a fact in my Wikipedia.

But legit, though. It's so a fact in my Wikipedia. But legit though. It's so funny. It was like personal life. Rogers is gay. Having come out at NYU. He is colorblind. It's something about me that. You need to know.

If you're gonna love me. You need to accept me. If you're gonna love me. You need to accept me. If you're gonna love me, you need to accept me. Is this a good song? Yes. If you wanna love me, you need to accept me. I think there's something interesting about the interval of, you need to accept me.

It's the phrasing of, you need to accept me. It's a lot to fit in. If you wanna love me, you need to accept me. It's a lot to fit in. If you want to love me, you need to accept me. Oh my, that is so true. It's really good. Sometimes I can, this is what makes me the opposite of Bjork.

It's because I say the truth right away. Yes. It's no. She hides behind it. No, she actually doesn't. She actually doesn't. She actually is very honest. She says the truth.

Don't you ever accuse bjork of that ever again okay flop i've learned my lesson all right are you ready to do your i don't think so honey yeah yeah all right this is bell and yang and this is his i don't think so honey and his time starts now i don't think so honey the first visual from renaissance being a tiffany commercial oh yeah it's been two months we need something besides that beautiful trailer for i'm that girl i know that beyonce loves to edge us and we love her we love her for it and she really can do no wrong she cannot she really cannot fuck this up except i'm down for her like taking long breaks in between projects but when the

project is out and for her to still do this when she teases the visuals it's it's it's tough on me it's testing my patience and i will wait as long as i need to for her oh my god i went on the thai sunderland beyonce boat it was the best i heard it was a good boat it was excellent and everyone on the saturday one at least that i was on just was with every single word and note. And Ooh, fantastic. The only non Beyonce song he played was do it by Hallie and Chloe, Chloe and Allie.

And you know, um, uh, but Oh my God, please give us a music video. Something. Yeah. Uh,

that's one minute. And I will say that I do agree. I'm sort of hungry for it. Yeah. And to see minute. And I will say that I do agree I'm sort of hungry for it. And to see the Tiffany's commercial was hard. But I remain steadfast in my trust of her. I remain steadfast in my trust and I'm loving

that she's helping everyone in that commercial who's just dancing, living it up, having a good time. They're all getting their bag for this, I hope. From a fucking diamond company. They better be paying these fucking people um but i i you know i would really love to see a fun visual companion to heated or to church girl you know like the whole thing they're coming they're coming i know but i want it now Okay. So wait, as we're talking about this, do you know what?

I just realized that we didn't even bring up is the fact that Rihanna announced. Oh my God. I can't believe we haven't talked about this, but we've been so distracted by the other pop culture news items of the day. Like what was your immediate thought when you saw that photo of her on her Instagram, holding the football?

That image is so powerful because you know immediately you know what it means. What was going down. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? I mean, there's... The impact to understanding sort of lags. Milliseconds. It's like it all collapses into one point.

You're like, I know exactly what's going on here. I saw the picture and I went, oh! I can't come soon enough. Do we go to fucking Arizona for this? See, okay, so, and before this, like, peek behind the curtain, there had been a heavy rumor that the Super Bowl was going to be performed

by none other than Taylor Swift. Now that the Pepsi sort of sponsorship has been, the contract has ended on Pepsi. Yes. It's now Apple Music. So then everyone was saying, it's Taylor, it's Taylor, it's Taylor.

And I can confirm that the talks were talking. Like it was maybe going to be Taylor. Wow. Yeah, yeah. I will ask you about that in a minute. I'm not hearing this from the Taylor camp themselves, obviously, because they would never tell me that,

but I'm just, I can say that I had heard through a reliable source. Wow. It was very close to happening. And then it will happen. It will happen. I think it's, I think it's next year.

Or I say, I don't, if they want to take a break between like pop girlies. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. I think that they usually try not to like have it be pop girly after pop girly. Like,

even though that's all I would want. That's all I care about. I think it will be an extra, maybe the year after definitely within five, um, depending, but I had texted you and I was like, Taylor is going to do the Superbowl.

Are we going to fucking Arizona, Arizona? But the thing is like, it's because we've seen Taylor so much. Yes. Rihanna, I would do it.

But for Rihanna, I mean, like, who is to say that she might not announce this is the last performance she's ever doing? You know what I mean? Some people are like,

ooh, it'll be the new album. It'll be the new album. I'm like, guys, I don't think it will. I really don't think it will. She has no actual reason

to go back into music. No reason to go back into music no reason to go back into music and also no reason to need the Super Bowl to launch her back into music you know what I mean it's not like it's not like she needs this to like remind us why we love Rihanna we've all been I don't think we've thirsted over someone to come back like this in a really long time yeah but she's not i mean there was rumors that she had music and then and then like there was rumors she fully did not and i don't think anyone can say definitively what's going on with that but she is doing the super bowl and i wouldn't be surprised if we get no new songs that's entirely a greatest hits because guess what? The hits are there. That would be fine.

Like, that would be a fun show. You're singing along to every goddamn word. What would be your highlights? What would be your most anticipated songs to see at Rihanna Super Bowl? Oh! Pour it up. Pour it up. Definitely. I don't think she'll do it, but that would be fun.

I want to start. Do you start or end with we found love I think I think you I think she ends with fucking like umbrella I think you start with umbrella and end with we found love okay interesting I think um

she ends with she ends with cake that'd be fun let them eat cake I think she ends with I wanna fuck you right now all the whole thing no it ends with

this is how it ends she does all her numbers then there is a minute of darkness you hear the crowd and then you just see a single Then there is a minute of darkness. There's a minute of darkness. You hear the crowd. And then you just see a single, what you see on stage is just like a soft pink lighting starts to come up. And basically you then realize we're getting into, we're getting into ballad territory and you just hear this.

Oh my God. Yes. Yes. Yes. Chest to chest. Nose to nose. Palm to palm. We're always just that close.

Et cetera. And the crowd is going, they're literally on their feet because it's the greatest song of all time, California King Bad. If she closes with California King Bad after a one minute sort of like moment of silence, that would heal society. Are you kidding? Are you kidding? We need a soundboard just so we can go.

Sounds like we don't need a soundboard just so we can go, In this California, King Bear. Sounds like we don't need the soundboard. Sounds like you just belt it whenever you want. And we will all nod along and go, go off. We have to get the end. Come on. Okay, hold on. Of the chorus is what I mean.

We ended the episode with a song. In this castle for the king man. No, I'm actually not done with this episode. Wait, okay, so I want, I want, I want Oh Na Na, What's My Name. One of my favorite songs of all time. But don't,

but really, if there is a ballad, she'll probably sing like Stay. She'll sing Stay. Diamonds, if we count it as a ballad. Diamonds is getting performed for sure. That might even be last. Diamonds. Or first. She'll do work, sex with me.

I hope she does sex with me. I want the whole stadium. I want Donald Trump watching it from Mar-a-Lago going, five fingers. I want all of America singing sex with me together. Sex with me, so amazing. Truly one of the best songs. Rihanna Super Bowl.

I mean, you cannot make the set list because there's too much good stuff. It's true. Remember when Henry Kversky did that Rihanna sing-along at the pit? I mean, those were the days.

That was maybe the best one because I was talking to Henry afterwards and he was like, you really don't always remember that she has the songs. Yeah. There's so many fucking hits. Do you know what I

think is actually going to happen at the very beginning of the Super Bowl? I still think we're going to end on California King Bad. But basically like I think what happens at the Super Bowl is like the lights go down. Everyone knows it's going to start the halftime show and you hear the crowd. And then you just see a man in a fedora sort of walk out to the

middle of the stage and then a spotlight hits him and he has to freeze and then you see rihanna in a red dress and you just hear this and she walks to him and then everything falls out and she holds a pose and then she lifts the mic up to her lips and she goes oh and she goes and then everyone's screaming everyone's on their feet screaming

because it's unfaithful at the Super Bowl the fucking song it's unfaithful it's a screamer. The show is bookended by Unfaithful and California King Bad. Oh my

God. Period. Period. Okay. Looking forward to that one. Looking forward to that one. I mean, look, if anyone can host us in Glendale let us know i'm sorry not to poo-poo on arizona but um whatever whatever i i would do it i would do it for rihanna we should go stay with uh our ex-producer megan mccain yeah we'll talk to meg

hot hot girl mag hot girl mag um all right well this has been a truly action-packed, jam-packed, content-packed, Honesty Zone-esque episode of Lost Culture East, that's Culture Catch-Up. Absolutely. I always love these. I love doing them with you, my friend. This is Sister Support. This is my dearest

right here that I'm pointing at. And we end every episode with a song. Story of my life Searching for the right But it keeps on falling to me Sorry my soul Cause it's things I want Really that's my company He's more than a man

And this is more than love A reason that the sky is blue Cause I'm going in Cause I'm going again Something that just can't be true And I know that he knows I'm running in, cause I'm running in Someone that just can't be true And I know that he knows I'm unfaithful And if you see me inside Don't know that I'm happy with some other guy

I could see him dying I don't wanna go to sleep I don't wanna be the reason why Let her do this finally. Ready? I don't want to be a murderer. For more of that, listen to A Girl Like Me by Rihanna. The best Rihanna album.

Bye. I'm Cheryl Swoops. And I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba? Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or stay with his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had.

We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. I was a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski. And we are super excited to tell you about our new show, Dudes on Dudes. We're spilling all the behind-the-scenes stories, crazy details, and honestly, just having a blast talking football.

Every week, we're discussing our favorite players of all times, from legends to our out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.