Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Bucket List" (w/ Gabrielle Union)

Episode Date: December 7, 2022

Genuine Hollywood icon Gabrielle Union ALERT! Again, this is a genuine Hollywood icon Gabrielle Union A-LERT. Matt & Bow can't believe she's joining them today on Las Cultch to discuss speaking truth to power in Hollywood, her dating "bucket list" back in her single days, Bring It On and the bizarre perception of her character Isis during the film's 20th anniversary, Love & Basketball bringing she and bestie Sanaa Lathan together, and work ethic vs. abusing yourself. Also, her new film The Inspection, based on a true story by writer-director Elegance Bratton, and how she drew on difficult experiences in Hollywood and at large to play the dark reality of her homophobic character Inez. All this, raising a queer child that's educating her, Grease and Rizzo's "There Are Worse Things I Could Do", Debarge, sitting with Janet Jackson at dinner while she orders the eggplant, her cousin Saweetie, our collective obsession with Jaboukie Young-White and the concept of "Miami vibes". The Inspection is in wide release right now and you should definitely check it out. Gabrielle Union! Ahhh!!!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. You're going to hear that twice this episode because we have an amazing guest on.

You already know who it is if you've pressed play. Mm-hmm. It's Gabrielle Union. She was very, very cool, too. Like, I actually haven't been nervous in a while, but this is like a genuine icon. Yeah, I just, you look at her, even in the Zoom box, and you go,

this woman has... Power and presence, which I guess maybe are the same thing, but you'll hear like, we talk about how Matt tells her that she's done such a good job of speaking truth to power in her career. And I looked at her and I was like, God, like that's the through line in this person's life and career is that she has always just been honest. She's been honest. And like, that's why people that's a huge part of why people love her

is that like, she even like counted off the things in her hand of, you know, being a mother to a queer child, of being a black actor in Hollywood, of being, you know, someone who's had fertility issues, someone who's had all of these different experiences and is able to always be honest about all of those things in huge, huge, huge platforms. So cool. I'm obsessed. Yeah, and a genuine talent too, and really excellent in this new movie, The Inspection, which Bo and I just watched. It's now in wide release, but it's a very different performance from her too. I mean, it's a tough tough one it's a sad movie but also it's yeah it says something really interesting about parenting in the way that we expect to create strong people it's an

interesting one and i really encourage everyone to go see it but damn if we didn't also get into some culture that made her say culture was for her as well. And some good answers. Some great answers. She had a great, I don't think so, honey. Yeah, it was really strong. It's a take. It's a take, but you know what? Like with any, I don't think so, honey, if you have the conviction,

then the audience has no choice, but to like, at least nod along to be like, yeah, absolutely. She recorded with us before Thanksgiving. So that's just like a little asterisk before going in. A little asterisk. Oh my God. Do you ever think about that? Asterisk? My ass is a no risk for anybody. Okay. My ass is a huge risk. Your ass is a huge risk. We partied last night, girl. I'm hungover. and the girls got messy last night the girls got messy last night and no regrets no regrets ever about getting messy when you go see k-pop the musical you two are gonna be messy little whores out on the streets because you're gonna be k-popping your ass here or there to fro up down fast slow oh my god god, songwriter. Yeah, you could say.

Please enjoy our episode with Gabrielle Union, the one, the only, and what do you say, Beau? Should we throw it to ourselves? Let's throw it to ourselves. See you soon. Ding dong! Lost culture is just calling. American icon on the pod today, Beau and Yang. I mean, this is one for

the books. This is one for the books. I feel like this book has every page. I mean, this is one for the books. This is one for the books. I feel like this book has every page. I mean, this is a big one. Not that we're assessing or comparing. No, no, no. We were out with the girls last night. We saw K-Pop the Musical, Everyone Must Go. Please, it really turned the girls out. It was unbelievably fun

and friend of the pod, Jason Kim, wrote it. Everyone, go see it. You're going to love it. But then at a post-drinks discussion, we mentioned that our guest was on the pod today, and this table of queer people absolutely lit up, and it sort of became a roundtable about

how iconic the guest is. The impact. And we're very, very excited. Absolutely. And guess what? And guess what's going on? It's multiple projects, multiple plates being spun at the moment with our

pal Jaboukie Young-White in Strange World, but I mean that is a discussion that we can table or we can bring in with our guests. I have a feeling by the way she just lit up she might want to talk a little Jaboukie Young-White. I thought you were going to say our friend Jake Gyllenhaal.

And I was like, no, of course he means Jake Gyllenhaal. And Jake. We've never met Jake. Well, we've never met Jake, but Jake and I had, and the Swifties are going to be mad at this, but Jake and I had a nice little, just a nice little moment when he came around at the end of last season.

No, I know, I know. The story, okay, so people, I did promos with jake and the musical guest was camila cabello who is very much i would say is aligned with taylor we don't have to get into whole taylor let's not get into swifty politics we don't want to drag our guests into this no no no she hasn't yet made a political statement on the matter and can we say jake is very much engaged in the instagram sort of agora of it all like he he will like keep track of what's happening in like our little corner of hollywood of showbiz will he now first of all i haven't checked in with them in a while but it's not my place to like reach out and be like hey what's up but he's like is with it he's on the frequency does that make he streamed fire island you think i don't know maybe he might

have maybe speaking of fire island joel kim booster saw our guest in a hallway i believe passed in a hallway and said the guest did him the honor of looking at him and saying hello and he screamed and then we texted us immediately and texted us immediately so to call this highly anticipated would be an understatement right now there's big buzz bow for the film the inspection which we just watched by elegance bratton it is so fabulous our guest is so stunning in it it's just like some a way that you've never seen gabrielle union before i mean truly truly great work. And Jeremy Pope is fantastic in the lead role. Just big actor eyes wet with tears and emotion. We love to see it. We love to feel it. Not only that, but truly just a

part of the culture. I am so hesitant to say how many times I've seen Bring It On because it would approach Stalker. But let's just say it was on constant loop in my home as a child. Thank you, my parents, for having stars because that movie beyond stars every single day. It was like they would rotate it out

and so Bring It On was a huge thing for me. Beau, this is very exciting. Should we just bring her the hell in? Let's bring her in. Everyone, please welcome Gabrielle Union! This is very exciting. Should we just bring her the hell in? Let's bring her in. Everyone, please welcome... Gabrielle Union! This is too much. Thank you guys for having me. Oh my God, please.

It's our distinct honor. Really, literally, ISIS. Like, that was so... We were talking last night about how that movie was decades ahead of its time. Well, cultural appropriation is the gift that keeps on giving so well we were saying that this was a movie about that concept without even saying the words cultural appropriation it's about how we live in a culture that steals from black women all the time without it being too preachy i mean like a movie like that at that time for

that audience like really formative i think on a collective level for us to understand and key into that. It's fantastic. You know, what's funny is like at the 20th anniversary of Bring It On, there was like a whole of best movie villains. And I'm like flipping through. And there I was. I don't know if I can cuss on this. No. There I was as a villain.

Villains? Oh, they may not know about that big mistake that's a misinterpretation yes for standing up for our cheers damn it uh yeah she was a villain i guess the whole i know you didn't think a white girl made that up was just a bridge too far i guess and i And I was a villain. And it was wild. Because I was like outraged. And then doing a bunch of press around the anniversary, the poll was not the only, they were not the only people

thinking that my character was like mean. Did they watch it? This is insane. It tells you everything about how when Black women speak, what you hear is totally up here. It has nothing to do with what we're actually saying 100 the filter is it's this rorschach test and for better or for worse people come away with their own interpretation on it but the fact that like the clovers win at the end is like the sort of uplifting thing and like the unexpected not the unexpected thing

but the thing that like is just in the end it is the joy of the movie to watch the clovers win justifiably fairly right there and also you know another element of that is that you as isis and the squad did not take her hand out you know what i mean it was like you know we don't need your help we don't want your help we're going we're going to beat you fair and square you've taken advantage of us too many times and now we're just going to prove it and honestly what that's just crazy to me that more than one time you encountered that beyond yeah i mean i wish i wish it was just isis poor thing um yeah no people like i'll literally be sitting quietly waiting and they're like, oh, you're so intimidating. And I'm like, I haven't even said a word.

I'm literally saying words with friends because that's who I am. And I'm intimidating because I'm being quiet. Like you talk, you're intimidating. You're quiet. You're intimidating. Whatever. This is what Matt was saying. Not to pull this into my life, but Matt was saying last night.

I want. OK, let's go in. This is what Matt was saying, not to pull this into my life, but Matt was saying last night. I want. Okay. Okay, let's go in. I was kind of like bemoaning like the current state of dating for me. And I'm like, God, I'm in a weird place right now. And then Matt was like, well, it's because maybe because people might be anxious about approaching you or just like making the first move. And I go, I don't know that that's it. But if that's let's just say that's true like what do i do to change that of course race is a factor

in a different way but like it's things that like are immutably out of your control and you're just like well i guess i'm sol and i should just just live with it but it's a strange little phenomenon personally i think it's weird it's an odd thing and like we it's like you don't have the language or you're not supposed to just call a thing a thing no it's it's weird right like i i can't change who i am i'm like i can't change my silence it's not going to be less deafening i guess to you but um but you can change you you know what i mean because i'm a baby and yeah like especially during my single days you know that was a refrain and it just made me more aggressive like i went after what i wanted um perfect i flew through that bucket list let me

just tell you uh okay those penises were flying off the list left and right i lived the dream by taking matters into my own hands and not letting people say i was whatever intimidating or it was hard to approach you and like that actually because ding-dongs do it every day they are not deterred by anything uh i'm gonna go for it i'm gonna stop waiting so i said to boat last night but i was getting into it last night with somebody and i had a little aside you know when you take your girl to the side yeah and you sort of have a moment well we took a turn about the room as my sister and i want to do and i said you better do you better take this all the way because i see that you want to do it and i'm telling you

he's into it and take it all the way and then i said i want a full report and i got the text today that we got a little sheepish we got a little sheepish i think that's my true self though i i'm a sheepish guy but gabrielle's inspiring me because i think more bucket lists should have penises on them all the bucket lists should have penises and you got to be a closer well yes i don't even like hearing that you're not a closer like he's shy up and knock it all apart like yeah come on that's what i said this is what i needed to hear see if you're not going to take it my advice take gabrielle unions please and now i know that will be what happens you're gonna be like well it's my good friend gab Gabrielle unions, please. And now I know that will be what happens. You're going to be like, well, it's my good friend.

Gabrielle union told me, I was like, I told you the night before. If my good friend, Gabrielle union and my good friend, Matt routers are telling me I'm going to do, you know, who's not to segue into too much of a left turn,

but I feel like Jaboukie, our mutual friend between the three of us, we love is someone who like closes, closes, closes that guy what a star what a role model wait has press been fun with with you guys and jake i first of all i'm obsessed with him and i kept trying to change how many years i've been following him because i think it's been like since he got on i'm like a psycho fan so when i found out that he was playing my child i was like love it and i had this like mental list of all the questions i've wanted to ask and

i had to finally say it i'm like when i like a tweet it's really a retweet but i just i lack the bravery to just retweet and he was like i felt felt that. I felt that. But I'm obsessed with him. Like, I am obsessed with him. He says everything I'm thinking. I just, I love him in a way that's probably a little unhealthy for us both. He's one of those people that like always says, you're right.

It's like, that was what I was thinking, but I didn't, my brain didn't put it in that joke format or didn't distill it in that way. But that was the thing that was it when he released a song called bbc yep so good yeah right right before our disney movie i thought oh this this is going to be a perfect press tour. And it has been. He has given me everything that I have needed. In addition to the love of BBC. Yes. He's going to keep it Jaboukie.

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But also deeply, we can sort of understand that he is doing it to really earn the love of his mother. And that's something he craves because he doesn't have it. And the ending is not neat. And it's not necessarily reflective of a beautiful world. And I just wanted to ask, what did you draw on to play the root of this homophobia? Because it is so deep. And it is so dark. And I know it's the opposite of who you are as a person. You are an amazing ally and amazing activist. And thank you for everything that you do. You truly are just one of those voices that rings right through. And so I just wanted to ask what you draw on, because it's very real. We feel this woman's real pain, but real decision to live in this homophobia. So all my compliments to your performance.

And where did you get this? That was the challenge, right? Because when Elegance was like, I want you to executive produce, I'm like, bet. This script is a winner. I understand how I can be additive. And then it was like, also want you to play my mother. And I was like, the fuck? What have I ever done to make anyone think I could pull this off?

And he said, Gab, it has to be you. And he just kept going with, he had so much confidence that I could do this and be good at this. And he's like, you're an actor. You can do anything. We've known you could do you know anything this whole time and i immediately knew what he meant by that in terms of the black community has known that i've had range that i could i could do you know literally anything but perhaps you know the other parts of hollywood had not caught up yet

but he just had so much confidence in me i was like i'm gonna go for it and trying to find a way in to a woman whose ass i would kick if given the opportunity was a challenge because i'm like what do we have i don't even know what a starting off point is and the more he started talking about who she was when she was a girl uh her being a top student a top athlete and then you know getting pregnant as a teen and i was like okay let me let me go back to what she wanted when she was before she became a mother which was to be considered good was to to to follow the path of good girls and the way you get out of poverty for young, dark-skinned, black children, especially girls. You're either a great student, you're a great student and athlete, you're just a great athlete. Whatever you can do to be considered good, to get these

opportunities, to get out of here and change your life. Well, she gets pregnant. She still wanted to be thought of as good. And as her son got older, it became abundantly clear that he was queer, but she had clung on to organized religion to still be considered good. And I realized that while I've never bartered with my children, I've never thought of my children as disposable. I have bartered with my soul in this town and in life to get this much closer to the power structures, to get this much closer. Like I leaned so heavily into assimilation. I didn't recognize myself. When you are willing to put everything on the table to stay, to stay good by someone's standards who would not spit in your direction if you caught on fire. And you're willing to constantly shape shift for these kinds

of people who are constantly rooting against you you don't realize it at the time it's called the american dream as long as you stay in this box you do as i say you're one of the good ones you're a good negro you know you have access to the land of milk and honey and you're considered good and worthy and deserving but we had that in common so I bartered with different things relationships pieces of my soul that I will work a lifetime to to heal and recover from um but we had that in common that desire to be good to be thought of as good and deserving and worthy. And she thought, you know, due to organized religion that said being gay or queer was bad, she looked to save herself. And I can't say I've made different decisions when it came down to doing the right thing or doing the wrong thing

and thinking about self-preservation instead of doing the right thing or doing the wrong thing and thinking about self-preservation instead of doing the thing that helps your fellow man or being the right kind of ally, a real ally. You are willing to sell anybody out, your child, yourself, loved ones, everybody's on the table. When you are on that assimilation train everything can go yeah and that unfortunately getting to that dark ass route i'm pretty sure my therapist bought a second home just like i needed extra sessions like a mug i've heard you talk about worthiness as this concept when you've tried to approach inez and And I feel like that's exactly, that's sort of the unifying thing in this whole film is that she is clinging on to any self-worth or feeling

of worthiness that she can at the expense of someone else's. Meanwhile, Jeremy's character is someone who is concerned about protecting the man to his left and the man to his right. And that's the sort of healing mechanism through which he can sort of still have this radical compassion for his mother at the end without giving too much away. But I think maybe that was the thing that jumped out to me about Elegance's writing in this film, is that I was like, oh, this is the way out. Someone can be caught in this spiral of feeling completely worthless in a world that has made them worthless. But if they're enacting that sort of destruction on someone else, on people that they should be protecting, I feel like that's the tragedy of Inez as a character.

And I feel like Matt was saying compliments to you for portraying that so humanly yeah it sucks you know it sucks but uh so many parents they really firmly believe that their intention is filled with love right in trying to change their child deny their identity but to deny someone's identity is to deny their humanity. So your love shouldn't be inhumane. And like, if your love harms your child, causes trauma, abuse, there's literally 8 billion people in the world now, there's 8 billion ways of loving, choose one that doesn't lead to harm right you know that doesn't lead to trauma and there's another way so my hope in this role initially it was like there's one parent in particular i'd like to change um but if other parents see themselves in inez because as parents

like as reasonable parents you try to lead with love, like everything you're trying to do for your kids, your intention feels, it feels so pure to you. It feels so loving to you. You feel like I'm protecting my child. Um, but I'm here to tell you, there's another way. There's absolutely another way of loving, accepting and respecting and being compassionate to your own child and taking, disposing of them off the table from jump and not torturing them. Also, if they stay home, it's, it's okay to love them. It really is. The water's warm. I promise you, you'll be okay. Anyone that you would lose for loving your child openly and without apology

and standing 10 toes down for your child, anyone you would lose for loving your child openly and without apology and standing 10 toes down for your child anyone you might lose you are better off without and that part i think a lot of parents get fearful of what they will lose and it's like they're losing dead weight yeah it's also it's interesting that he goes to the marines and obviously this is based on elegance's real story and that it's there we also see sort of like an abuse as betterment scenario which and that's what makes it so hard to watch too because i think like you know there is this idea that we're going to like break someone into the best version of what they can be because nothing is going to faze them.

But then I think when you become an adult, you realize that it's vulnerability. It is that ability to break that makes you a full human. And so this creation of monsters, which they literally say in the film, it literally just creates a world of monsters. And you have to wonder, what is the process of then unlearning that? Can it be? I guess if it's really successful, which it must be because the Marines are good at what they do, it scares you. You know what I mean? And you wonder if it's, it's just a very layered story. And I think everyone can see themselves in it. Maybe their parents weren't the exact version of that. But there is this idea that like, I'm going to be hard on my child. And that's going to in some way better the child. But I have seen and known parents that do see a change in the older years. I've seen a change in my parents now that I've become an adult, much softer, much more sensitive, almost a little rueful and regretful because

there's that thing of the constant turning back of, did I have to go that hard? You know what I mean? And it does create work ethic. It creates character, but there might be a little bit of a cost. And so, I think that we see that in just the a little bit of a cost, you know? And so I think that we see that in just the way parenting changes. I mean, you're raising children now in the year 2022, and it seems like probably very different from the way that you were raised and we were raised, and it's just a completely different worldview. I mean, absolutely. My dad, I don't know if you guys ever heard of this movie called The Great Santini. And it was like very hardcore, just very, a very hardcore man. And that was my dad's favorite movie. He also loved to watch war movies, but he had three daughters and he wanted to make us, he always said, you got to be bigger, better, better just to be considered even. it and kind of like i'm gonna prepare you for what's happening out there yeah because if you can't take it from me you're you're gonna crumble out there and turns out nothing has come close to

what he prepared me for um like i basically left my house ready for war and you know it didn't come in the way that i thought it was going to Now, had he prepared me for toxic masculinity, then maybe I would have made some different decisions. But yeah, like a lot of times we really think we're preparing our children, we're protecting our children. And all you're doing is breaking your children. And some, like you and I, I became crazy efficient. My work ethic is beyond, but I will literally work myself into an early grade because I don't recognize where working hard begins and abusing myself starts and

stops, you know, doing too much. I have no concept of like, until I'm literally like, i don't feel well yeah yeah yeah you know what i mean but a lot of kids you know i've met 90 year olds who are still wanting the love and validation from their parents yeah and what you what you do is you're breaking them in a way that it's like humpty dumpty like you might be able to get some pieces like enough where they can cobble through a life, but there's a brokenness that nothing can fix. Because the love of your parents, they're the first people that you love. They're the people who are supposed to love you more than anybody else. And if there are fissures and major breaks and trauma in that, there's only so much therapy. And a lot of kids don't survive that. lot of kids and by kids i mean young children i mean we're seeing younger and younger kids you know committing suicide but you know to

that 90 year old who's still looking for something for their parents who've been dead for you know a long time but a lot of our kids don't make it in a you know they don't make it physically because they take their lives or there's a brokenness that can just that can just never be filled and it's it doesn't have to be this way it just doesn't you know what i mean it does not have to be this way and i just i hope you know like my biggest reward or award that I could get from this movie is, again, that one parent I'm trying to reach. But if, you know, the other parents I've already even heard from, you know, who saw it this weekend, were like, I screwed the pooch. Holy crap. I never thought of myself as a villain in my own child's life.

And wow. Okay. I'm going to do different. And even like quote unquote good parents, you know, I'd like to think of myself as a, as a, as a solid parents,

you know, a good ally. But even we make mistakes and Zai has had to check us for filth often, you know, and trying to throw away some of the things that our parents gave us that rotted and spoiled in the 70s and 80s. And I'm like, no, let's bring it out. Let's do millennium parenting. And it's like, that stinks. That's a way that should have been left a long time ago.

And I thought that's why you're in therapy, lady. And I'm like, you're're right let me work on that and maybe not pass on the same crap to my kids but luckily we have a very outspoken child who you know is up to date and is refusing to shape shift for adult comfort she's refusing to compromise on being her whole full ass self yeah for anyone's comfort and i'm like is there a ted talk you can give yeah there's a lot of people who can benefit by like getting these pep talks that we get from her and and i know she's speaking to herself as much as she's speaking to everybody else but like like, man, in a child, she'll lead them. So, yes.

You know, it's a lot of pressure. That's it's very public, too, you know, because everyone knows your story and like the story that you are telling and living. And so when she came to us and was like, because, you know, between the two of us, we're constantly doing press and people refer to our children constantly by the names that they think they are look up and Zaya was like I need people to know that this is my name and these are my pronouns and we're like well I mean people know like the people that count your school and your friends and family and and she was like no because everybody I hear it I read it like people reference us all the time and i want them to use my name and my pronouns and me and d were like okay do you know how this works and how you get that kind of message to everybody at one time

and she was like yeah you'll do one of your press and say it and they're like yeah but then everyone knows and are you okay with this right and she said i want my name it was very first of all the first thing i thought of as tina turner when she was like i just want my name give me my name but when that's a major part of your i mean your name is the first thing you offer as a part of your identity and she wanted known you know this is my name and these are my pronouns and i'm gonna give you a hot second to switch over your brain she gave us exactly one school year and i mean i have to say i think d d was off book if you will. Off book? The quickest. Off book. No mistakes.

No mistakes. But she gave us a bit of grace. Yeah. But everyone's fallen in. Well, most people have fallen in. And they realize this is who this child is. And she's amazing. And smart.

And dynamic. And going to change the world. And we should all get behind her. Because she's amazing and smart and dynamic and going to change the world. And we should all get behind her because she's doing it whether we are standing in her way or not. You know? So why don't we get behind her? Totally. And what's incredible is that she, in sort of the inverted way of the way that maybe you were parented,

is that she is picking up on a lot of information in her outside world and going, oh, I'm preparing myself for my own battle, you know? And she's informing, she's sort of like upcycling it to her parents where she goes, this is what you need to know, here's how you can support me, let's do it.

What a lovely sort of directionality that goes in, where it goes up and down and outward well i mean she said the other day that she had joined basically i'm not sure there's a name for it but basically the black student union at her school and i was like oh that's dope and she was like and i joined the latino student group and i was like okay was is there a or a reason yeah key me in yeah and she's like oh look you know her two best friends are biracial and half latina and she's like it's not my place to go to the meetings and speak it's my it's my place to go to the meetings and learn and so i i

can know how to better support my friends and i'm like what that's incredible oh my gosh okay 15 sophomore and yeah and we were like yeah of course of course you would be in la raza because you are a good ally and also know to not center yourself well my job here is done well amazing Well, amazing. New York Minute. She had this wild night and ended up getting pregnant by some other guy. What? You've told her? Not today, Satan. Not today. The Real Housewives of New York City, all new Tuesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison

from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate delusional dreamer and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer, and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine.

I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean.

He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian Gonzalez.

Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzales wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation.

Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What I've always really admired about you is you really do speak truth to power. And I think one of my favorite things I've seen anyone do was the speech that you gave. It was when you got the Fierce and Fearless Award and you owned up to something that I think we in the queer community can really identify with as well. And I was really excited to talk to you about this because when you said that when someone like another black actress would get a role that you wanted, you'd be talking shit. And like, you'd be that person that was like not rooting for people. And that of course comes from a system that doesn't, or it feels like because it really hasn't and it's getting incrementally better as we see more

representation, but it comes from like, they're really not feeling like there's enough like and and the pitting against each other and i think that as gay actors we experience this as well i can't say that i've been psyched every single time i have seen a part i wanted to go to x y or z and maybe i have said some stuff but so watch you get up on that stage in front of your peers and say that i think was really powerful because it was a moment where you called everybody in by calling yourself out. And I just think that that was such a moment. And I wonder, like, what went into the decision for you to be that honest? Because it's really hard to be honest in this town, in Hollywood, because people will look at you like, oh, well, you know, she'll say like the truth and God forbid that. Like, so we, maybe we wouldn't want to like bring her in or involve her in something, but it seemed like it was more important to you to call that out and move forward.

But what went into the decision to be honest that night and also so honest about everything? Well, like I, I was working on this speech with my life coach at the time and uh as one does yeah and um she was like what is your goal and i was like oh give a good speech and she was like should the truth be present in this speech or you want to string together a bunch of cliches like every other actress is going to do and she's like you have an opportunity in this room to talk about all the things that we've been working on that you say you're on the other side of let's talk about it and i was like okay um challenge accepted and when i got up there my hands are shaking i'm i'm looking out i see oprah

um and gail and like all of my like my best friends but also you know a room of my peers and people i have actively rooted against and people i know who have actively rooted against me and we we all just accepted it as hollywood that's just hollywood that was like kind of like parenting but what if there's another way what if we can move through this industry with radical transparency and honesty and that's the worst that can happen you know i mean like i'm already not getting jobs and what's gonna what's the worst that can happen? But something amazing happened is my world opened up. A, I felt free as hell. For the first time I felt free in a room like that. I had no secrets. I had no ulterior motive. There were no agendas. I just wanted to tell the truth.

And then each person who got up after me was like, okay, well, here was my speech. And after that, like, I'm just going to get up here and tell the truth. And that's all I want. I want us all to be free, but we can't be free living a lie. We can't be free, not calling a thing, a thing. You know what I mean? And it changed my life. And I got way more after that speech because there's a fear of like, oh my God, I'm going to be honest and everyone's going to hate me and I'm never going to be seen from again. And it was the opposite. Every time I opt for just the truth, just my reality, I've gotten more. And by more, I mean, more people are like, thank you for saying that. I thought I was alone on an island.

I thought I was the only one. So whether it's fertility, whether it's racism, whether it's colorism, whether it's raising a queer child, whether it's equity, the farce of equity in Hollywood or in any major industry, it doesn't serve anyone to spout lies. Like change doesn't happen from upholding the company line it never will so you can do the bidding of those same people who won't spit in your direction when you're on fire or you can free yourself and others by telling the truth and banding together and that's kind of what happened yeah well we here on lost college are big fans of burning it down burn it all down and write a spliff from the embers yes oh poetry so we uh we have a question that we ask every single one of our guests and this uh is one we are asking you right now which is what was the culture that made you say culture was for you,

Gabrielle Union? This is the piece of pop culture that you were exposed to in your life at some point. It would be like a movie, a musical artist, something, a TV show, something in your surroundings that you can look back on now.

And you think that made me who I was, or at least start to become who I was it's a big question but it's actually quite simple a few answers but um it can be multiple answers as well well okay so I would say just take it off grease wow great I'm I'm a grease one and two super fans here we go too but also like it it changed the way i look at quote-unquote bad girls right like my alias forever was chacha well we called her chacha dookie oreo because that's what it sounded like to us her character name was chacha digregorio reputation yes um but that i was like wait bad girls seem to have a lot more fun to dig Gregorio reputation. Yeah.

But that I was like, wait, bad girls seem to have a lot more fun. Yeah, sure. Stalker Channing's character of Rizzo had a pregnancy scare. Okay, perhaps, you know, have safer sex than Rizzo. But she sounds like she's she's having the most fun of everybody. Yeah. So I kind of lean more into, I don't know, living on the edge once I got a car.

But also playing a teen well into my 30s, which kind of took me in there. Oh, that's funny. Like watching DeBarge. Yeah, oh, DeBarge, wow. Like every summer I would go back toaha and that's where i got to watch bet and i would just watch bet because that was the only time i got to see black people and i saw debarge and bunny debarge and she was like riding in a in a convertible singing with her

brothers and i wanted to be bunny debarge and i wanted to be like that that bitch yeah um so bunny debarge and then any like everything janet jackson yeah like i wanted to be janet jackson my super hot dentist um we all have one really he was unusually good looking uh used to say i looked i reminded him of janet jackson and i believed him um because his wife was the dental hygienist and she would always make me bleed i'm like it's because i was trying to ruin my smile she knows i have a movie star smile i got those braces off and it's been cooking with fish grease ever since. But yeah, but like Janet made me feel like I could do anything.

Like if I got like a smidgen of Janet-ness, bitch, I was unstoppable. And to this day, anything big in my life, I'm playing Janet like walking right before I walk in. She's your avatar? I need to feel like that bitch.

Of all things. But now she's a avatar like that bitch of all things but now she's a friend so it's a little weird oh that rocks but you can still gauge like an admirable distance a distance of admiration like wait what are the songs that are playing before you walk into a high-stakes situation yeah what's in your head uh it's the one with her and beanie man um oh my god i just smoked it you guys damn it normally it's like all for you but it's like yeah we love all for you it's the one where she's on the beach with beanie man the eyes for you yeah yes yes yes yeah i wouldn't do i know that music video is absolutely iconic that was she's so hot in her no one's worn a bra right since. She's everything. To this day, she is everything. We'll be at dinner and I'm just like...

Come on, it's Janet. She ordered the eggplant. Yeah. So I like what she's having in a very real way. All of a sudden, I'm an eggplant queen. Yes. And she is the friend that reminds you to set your clocks forward or backwards. Oh, wow.

Which I love that about her. Honestly, singing in cars, a theme here. This is so funny that you say Greece because I was just last night for some reason. You know, when your instinct just takes you in a weird place. It wanted me to play. There are worse things I could do in this hotel room. So did you as well?

The way you just lurched out of your chair. I will never turn down an opportunity to sing. There are worse things I could do. It is the to sing There Are Worse Things I Could Do. It is the song. And you know, they almost cut it. Like, Stockard talks about in interviews that she begged them. She was like, please, you have to keep it in. It is the window to her soul.

If you cut that song, the character doesn't make sense. And honestly, me as a little kid watching it, because It Too was one of my favorite movies. I think I know every single line of dialogue. Like, we'll see. I'll test myself later. But when she sings that song, like, even as a little queer kid, like, I'm watching it and I'm like, the inner life being exposed, like, the nuances in the performance, like, that's one of those that's like, if you go back in time, like, give that an Oscar nomination. Like, Stalker Channing, unforgettable in that number and throughout like truly i mean the way she clutched those books to

her yes as she was like trying to round the corner away from the patty simcox and her evil business and then she like she tries to hide with her books like, like you went to class. But like, I literally will do the whole thing, like acting out with the books and a pencil skirt and like hiding behind doors. An iconic Halloween costume. You're doing it again. Just like this all night. The books are such a part of it.

Because even like when they did it live, like Vanessa Hudgens like had the books to the damn sternum. Like she was protecting herself. Of course. To this day, I love Vanessa. And I'll be like, please do it. She did great. She was so good.

And she's like, there are worse things. I'm like, what? Give me some more. Yeah, so we're watching Janet order the eggplant. We're making Vanessa sing There Are Worse Things I Could Do. Oh, as one does. As one does. As one does.

Oh my God, no. DeBarge, Grace, and Janet. That's a great tableau. Makes Gabrielle Union. We love it. Honestly, like, you know what I love is like RuPaul on RuPaul's Drag Race

obsessed with DeBarge. Like he keeps bringing up DeBarge. I know, I'm always talking about DeBarge. All the kids now that are on it, that are like truly... They're everything. Yeah, but but everyone every queen on that show they hire now is younger than 30 so they're always looking at rue like huh like they don't know and like you can even the queen he said looked like el debarge like uh crystal what looks like el debarge and this queen said afterwards i didn't know what

the fuck rue was talking about the entire time i was was just smiling and nodding at DeBarge. That's how. You got to go back to the 80s. Like the 80s DeBarge, you know, that's like a hate, more of a hate day. Yeah, right. But I'll go see Elle. I saw Elle right before the pandemic. It was Elle DeBarge, Casey and JoJo.

And Keith Sweat. I feel like there's one other artist but like those three for those four i should say and got my whole life as did every everyone in the audience like i screamed for like throughout the whole thing all like three hours as i was like liquor it was in miami here we go yeah at university of mi Yeah, it was like the old school soul concert or whatever. Yeah, it was amazing. Did you forget like how many hits that L had solo how many hits he had with the barge? Like, he sweat has bangers to this day. And Casey and Jojo. I mean, what else iconic? I mean, crazy. I'll be tossing my head back. I'm doing it for Revisit myself. Wow. Oh, no, they were good. And you know, they're Fantasia's cousins.

No way. Yes. And then, wait, then I saw something on Wikipedia earlier, which I have to ask you about. Are you Saweetie's cousin? Yes. What? I feel like people don't know that. I feel bad because it's like, I feel like it took a turn like like to negative for her like people thought she was like a nepo baby but i'm like honestly she's like a whole different generation like her dad and i are first cousins her grandmother is my aunt um and me and her dad are born a day apart and so we were kind of like raised like siblings um so when didi was when he had we call her our family calls her didi um you know like the last i was like sort of keeping up with her she was like a toddler and then all this time i move away from home like i go to hollywood

and so i randomly casually asked like oh yeah what's didi up to i'm i knew she was like at sc i thought she was like working at ibm i had no idea and they were like she's doing these like car wraps and i was like okay car wraps and i'm like just send me a link so i get the link to it was like the biggest thing that she had done at that point and it had millions and millions and millions of views oh yeah wait a second and then like Icy Girl came right after, like maybe a month or two later. And we were in Miami and she was like, I'm in town. You know, let's go, let's link up.

And I was like, yes. And I, at this point, I don't even understand, like she's got a deal. She's got a whole team. Like I'm so after the fact. I'm like, so you're not at IBM and you're doing okay for yourself. So I just want to make it very clear. I did not help her career in any way,

shape or form being my relative in no way aided or abetted her. But she's, she's amazing in her own right. And she was a super amazing student like that was her thing like she was very very smart and obviously very beautiful and then she started doing car reps and now the rest is history the rest is i mean the rest is history in a different industry too by the way like that's it's not quite how nepotism usually works sometimes it's that but well had i known i would have been like the mama june in her career i would have tried to manage her um but i did it was kind of after the fact so um i did i did definitely reach out to her like my friends at her label that you know

perhaps run the label and i'm like is she a priority because she's trying to buy things and they're like wait what that what? That's your cousin. And I'm like, yeah. Could she afford like a condo? And they're like, yes, girl,

a priority. She is. She's everything. And they could not believe that she'd never mentioned it ever. I think I spilled the beans first. And now it's, I hope it's not a major negative or a knock on her being related to me. Because we're just proud of her.

Like, I'm very proud of her. Of course. Well, yeah. And then when you know that, especially you being in the industry and understanding what the entertainment industry is, seeing the darkness and everything that comes with it, of course you as her family is going to step in and be like, I want to make sure she's being treated right. Because, I mean, the music industry is a whole other thing.

It's a whole other animal. And, you know, I only know what I know. So I'm like, I will, I'm always here as a resource. Um,

but like, what am I? And I'm 50. Like, I'm like, let me, I worked out some choreography. My aunt,

if you want, get the fuck out of here. Yeah. She, I mean, her verse on Little Mix has a song called Confetti. Oh, it's very good. And Saweetie got on Confetti and I swear to God, that song went from like an 8 to a 15

for me. And then I literally, I was doing a bit on this podcast, stream Confetti, stream Confetti, like best verse I've heard on a pop song in like the last four or five years. I mean, it's iconic, right, Bo? It's iconic. Iconic, Saweetie. Like, best verse I've heard on a pop song in, like, the last, like, four or five years. I mean, it's iconic, right, Bo? It's iconic. Iconic, sweetie. It's so good.

Also, when she rolled through, not to drop SNL again, but when she rolled through SNL, it was, like, such a cool moment. It was her and Simu Liu. So it was, like, two, like, Asians, like, on the bill, basically. And it was like, oh, this is fun.

And, God, she was so, she did tap in into, but she just had so many good looks and it was, oh, so, so, so good. Listen, she's good. Yeah, she's a star. Yeah, you know, and we're just proud. Like, we're just like, go ahead, girl.

And I'm like, do you need it? Nope, okay, yep. Yeah, she's got it covered. i always put like the help out there i'm like no okay yeah no it's fine i'll just be cheering back here acknowledge you don't it's fine i'm still gonna let here we go love yeah love it so wait because before we move on to i don't think so honey i'm like 10 ish minutes i have to ask you like because you really like even just a cursory look at like what you've done, you truly appeared in all of my favorite movies. Like when I was in the late 90s,

like I'm telling you, Love and Basketball, again, stars, the way that stars was giving, bring it on and Love and Basketball and She's All That in rotation. So it was just, and 10 things I hate about you. So it was Gabrielle, Gabrielle, Gabrielle.

And so I've been just such a fan for so long but specifically about love and basketball i wanted to ask you about like favorite memories from that because that is such a classic that is one of the great romance films and now like gina prince bythewood popping off with the woman king like finally like people really understanding because again like someone can be around for so long but it's like how many times do you have to hear this name for her to be like a list director like she is truly one of the greats and i just wanted to ask about anything you remember from love and basketball like maybe working with alfre the queen truly like what did you got from love and basketball well? Well, luckily from Love and Basketball

I got one of my best friends in Sanaa Lathan though we were not she was not friendly at the time. She was not friendly. She was not friendly at the time. I was just, you know, I was sort of newish, you know, to the business and I hadn't done a ton of movies

and I had originally auditioned for Sanaa's role and Gina was like I don't think you're right for this but there's another role that I think you're you'll be perfect for uh the sides are in the lobby you know take all the time you need and I get to the lobby and I'm like because I'm in my basketball shorts I'm giving you like I was a real I was an actual athlete yeah you were an athlete yeah I'm giving you I was a real, I was an actual athlete. Yeah, you were an athlete. Yeah. I'm giving you my whole operation. And so I get back to the lobby and I'm like, oh, she's

a hoe. Yeah, she's the hoe on the side. Yeah, I'm like, couldn't see me as an athlete that I really am, but you could see me as a hoe. Okay. Okay. So needless to say, I got the role. My hoeness just came out.

It's funny because later on today, Gina and I are interviewing each other for a whole different thing. And I'm an actor. Finally, after all these years. It's been 20 years. Why did you think I was a ho? Was it the shorts? You're seeing me.

Yeah. What ho vibe was I giving off? But yeah, we had me and Boris Kojo were both kind of new and they had us in Hollywood like where you rank kind of goes by your trailer.

So we were sharing with, I don't remember who the third person was, a honey wagon. Oh, it was honey wagon. It was like a tiny little sliver little closet and the air conditioning wasn't working we're working in the summer and so we would just whoever was in the middle wasn't there that day so we opened up all the little you know accordion walls and so we

had a bigger room and we left the doors open we literally sit on our steps and that's how we became close friends um so i made really great friends on this movie omar and i are great friends um but a lot of that happened later because sanat and omar were an actual real couple yes yes which i feel like people don't know yeah they were an actual real couple um so he omar didn't like you know or didn't really mess with boris and Sanaa was really not messing with me. So because of the roles we were sort of playing and then cut to later, I'm in Miami filming

Bad Boys for six months and she's in Miami staying at the same hotel filming at a time. And she sees me in the lobby and I see her and I'm like, fuck this bitch. And I'm giving her dust and she's like, no, no, no, no, no. I've changed. She's been being dust that whole time. But yeah, we bonded and she apologized and gave me her spiel of her process.

And yeah, we've been besties ever since. I love it. Oh man, I just rewatched it again because I covered it. I have this other podcast for HBO Max, and it's on their list. You can stream it on HBO Max, people, but we went into it. It holds up so well, and it gives you all those good nostalgic feelings. And that's one.

I mean, talk about iconic moments. That song, Fool of Me, at the end when they play each other. I mean, that is for all time. That is for all time, that movie. Incredible. Because it also has for all time. That movie. Incredible. Cause it also has that D'Angelo song, but that one. That's so good.

Bro. You gotta do a rewatch. My mother was in it. Like Regina Hall was in it. Alfred was in it. Yes, Regina Hall. Harry Lennox was in it.

Like there were so many people that were, that were in it. Tyra was in it. Tyra was in it. Tyra was in it. That's right. And everyone stuck around, too. You know what I mean? Everyone's still working and doing great.

We're still chugging away. Still chugging away. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. I love that. Oh, my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg.

You're recording us? I am disgusted. Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy. We were friends. How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo

or stream it on City TV+. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez.

Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba.

Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him.. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzales wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban,

I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll.

This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story, from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate, delusional dreamer. And the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer.

Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me.

It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. Wait, you've mentioned Miami a couple times. I wanted to ask because Matt and I are going to Miami for New Year's. What is the vibe now for when you guys go? What's on the docket? Is there one? Are you guys just chilling for the most part?

It's Miami. When it's us and Janet at dinner, where are we going? Probably Carbone. It's different. Miami changed a lot during the pandemic. It felt very Republican. It felt very Ivanka. It felt very Republican. It felt very Ivanka. It felt very generous. And all their friends brought up all of like the beach. Everyone in left New York

during the pandemic, overpaid, you know, moved down and the vibe is a little, depending on where you go, the vibe is a little different um i mean they they you you can't say gay um like you can't teach history florida's god like you can't like it's a whole weird vibe um but in terms of fun uh yeah i mean people go to just kind of lose themselves so i hope you all lose you'll be getting lost yeah get a boat get it have a boat day yes like oh that would be a good one get those pictures on the yacht like like it's like a small yacht it's like a little boat and we we also have a friend that's like a reservation queen yes so it's like we're covered on the reservations and stuff so it's good to have always roll with someone in the crew that's like,

he says his gay power is reservations. Because it's like New Year's is, it's a big holiday for us down there. So make sure you get your rooms, your Airbnbs. We're good. Yeah. We have to go to I Don't Think So Honey. And something you just said made me realize what I'm going to do. So this is I Don't Think So Honey. This something you just said made me realize what I'm going to do. So this is I Don't Think So Honey.

This is our one-minute segment where we drag something in pop culture that needs to be absolutely fucking dragged. Bowen, I do have something. You'll watch us, and then I know you're going to have one, Gabrielle Union. Okay. So this is I Don't Think So Honey. Bowen, I'm ready to go. This is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now.

I Don't Think So Honey, Ivanka, being like, I'm actually stepping away from politics this from politics this time bitch we're already good on you and don't even think about moving back to fucking new york if you want to be shown every damn door in your face stay down in florida so when we cut it off and let it float away you can be on it i can't stand ivanka trump there's not a single like bone in my body that's even close and when i saw you make this statement i was like what is she trying to do now also it's like what who even needs to hear from you i have not turned my head to this trump announcement maybe i should because i guess we should quote unquote be prepared for whatever is happening but whatever ivanka and jared are thinking is going to happen now no the answer is no the answer is a capital n. We're done. I don't think so, honey.

15 seconds. Ivanka, you're not going to become friends with Chelsea Clinton again. I understand it's been a quote-unquote hard year, but no. No sympathy for you, Ivanka. No sympathy for you, Jared. We're taking back the name Jared. I have people in my life that I love that are called Jared, and I'm taking it back. Ivanka, you can stay gone.

I don't think so honey and that's one minute wow oh that was dense she really tried something with that statement of i will be stepping out of the political sphere and almost like this little hint of like and you're welcome and like hint hint maybe i don't support this we don't care we don't care what did they say that he made like what a 1.9 billion during his presidency disgusting girl your hands are dirty okay so bowen yang this is your i don't think so honey and your time starts now i don't think so honey herbal cigarettes on film sets i saw gabrielle union smoke one in the movie the inspection and i went i know she is not enjoying that because they taste somehow worse than cigarettes.

And I get that there are laws in place and people do get bothered by the secondhand smoke. But on a sensory level, the herbal cigarettes are just worse. And I don't even know if they're even that much healthier for you. There's no like tar and like arsenic or anything, I guess. But seconds. It just doesn't feel good. It does not do the body good to even inhale a little vapor molecule of the stuff. It smells bad. It clings worse than

glitter. Somehow it just stays on you for days and days and I... It clings worse than glitter. It clings worse than glitter and not that many things cling worse than glitter. I do not wish herbal cigarettes on any actor, any prop person on anyone on any film set. I don't think so.

Any herbal cigarettes in film. And that's one minute. You don't realize how harsh they are. I had to do it on. I love that for you. When my character was smoking weed and it was the herbs and it is harsh. And I was chain smoking. Well,

I have an actual allergy to the chemicals that are exhaled in cigarette smoke it literally like fries so i'm immediately congested i can't breathe like and it gives me like bronchitis for like months at a time so i try definitely try to like stay away from cigarettes i don't have like a philosophical opposition to like cigarettes, but like, just, you know, go over there. Um, okay.

Um, wait, so wait, what's the catchphrase? So you say, I don't think so, honey, the thing.

And then if you can repeat the phrase, I don't think so. I don't think so, honey. Okay. And this is your time. It starts now. I don't think so,

honey. You have food restrictions on Thanksgiving. Listen, there will be a turkey. There'll be a candy ham. I don't care that you can't have gluten or dairy or peanuts or whatever. Don't come into a black home talking about food restrictions or allergies or sensitivities. You're going to get all of these things and no one is going to care about whether or not your plate is full um have the salad oh the dressing has gluten who cares 30 seconds we don't care let me tell you right now we don't care about your food restrictions your dietary restrictions things that you were just opposed to pork. Oh, the pork, the pork industry. You know who doesn't care?

All of us, all of us as we eat this. So listen, thank you for coming. You tried it. Eat this candy ham. Five. Bye.

And that's one minute. Incredible. It's called Tupperware. Fill it up with whatever you got. You can heat it up over there in the microwave or bring your own shit to Thanksgiving I don't want to get a list of your dietary restrictions

because you know who's not paying attention are you getting that this year? well like I'm technically gluten free dairy free but not on Thanksgiving why would I even do that why would I be that asshole on Thanksgiving I'm like oh gluten is the inflammation.

You know who wants to hear about inflammation around the holidays? No one. No one cares about your dietary issues. Listen, go shit it out in the bathroom like the rest of us. Yeah, period. It's actually, it's a season for eating, but it's also a season for shitting. And Bowen, that's rule of culture number 55. It's a season for eating, and it's also a season for shitting and Bowen that's rule of culture number 55 it's a season for eating and it's also a season

for shitting abuse those probiotics you guys and with that I encourage everyone I know Bowen does to go see the inspection it'll be out in wide release when this episode comes out Gabrielle Union

I mean this was such a pleasure it was so nice to talk to you this was a lot of fun and we truly stan as the kids thank you so much thank you thank you i've had the best time ah you're the best bow we'll catch up in a sec um but all right everybody oh i see is she really had to go bow so i was like we i don't think we can sing at her right now. I understand. The woman is on a press tour for two projects. And she is a champion for it, truly. This is, one is, as you all know, this is the year where everyone as a culture understood

that press tours are nutso. Like, they're relentless. They got it this year, never had before. Well, no, I'm saying, I think in a post a post gaga world we understand press tours to be one thing like oh at least you get like these fun moments but now post house of gucci and post don't worry darling everyone's just like the glut of it is a lot so anyway all our sympathies we need to do a movie called press tour you and i need to do a movie called Press Tour. You and I need to do a movie called Press Tour.

Oh my God. 100%. That's actually fun. That's really fun. Wow, wow, wow. Like a Christopher Guest style. Well, I guess that's for your consideration, but we can find a tag. We can find a tag.

We're going to go do that now. Yep. We hope you all have an excellent, excellent, well, let's just say day. Day. And maybe night. Yeah. And we end every episode, Beau, with a song.

And it's Christmas time. Have yourself a merry little Christmas. Let your heart be loved I only know the words to my own fake Christmas songs now that's iconic streaming now streaming now please stream Have You Heard of Christmas

okay so for my star turn for my star turn I love bathroom acting it's my favorite spoiler alert did you like acting with me in the bathroom? And did you catch my reference to Lady Gaga on A Star Is Born when I screamed?

Not only did I catch the reference, I saw you talk to Director Derone, iconic director, and say, well, this is the Star Is Born moment. And so I was there. I witnessed the whole process of it. And I was so privileged. I did think that day. I was like, oh witnessed the whole process of it. And I was so privileged. I did think that day. I was like, oh, this is so fun. Like I get to act alongside. Man, even, you know what my favorite thing is

when it's with someone you like? The time in between setups, the time in between roles where you're just like two real people. The goofs. But it's like you're two real people in this like fake environment yeah but then the time just goes flying by when it's like you're with your best buddy and i was like this is fun honestly

i thought to myself i need to get on the matt rodgers bowen yang projects that like are in my head because like this is like this is the reason for the season it was the reason for the season not just christmas season but every season with my girl my girl okay so now let's close out because this is the reason for the season. It was the reason for the season. Not just Christmas season, but every season with my girl. With my girl. Okay, so now let's close out again this episode. Here we go. Okay.

Have yourself. Have yourself. Oh, Merry Little Christmas. Make the Yuletide What? Gay And the rest is a standard You can listen to Any of the girls sing up there I'll cover it, come on

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