Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Cable Queen" (w/ Naomi Ekperigin)

Episode Date: January 10, 2018

The air is thick with culture...can you feel it? That's because the physical embodiment of culture, the Cable Queen herself, Naomi Ekperigin, is in-studio with Matt & Bowen! And you KNOW they have news to discuss: Golden Globes? Oprah? The CONVERSATION about Oprah? Natalie Portman? Natalie Portman on Insta? Oscar Predictions? And of course, they get into the cornerstones of Naomi's cultural upbringing: The Baby-Sitters Club, Angela from Boy Meets World, Horror Movies, Goosebumps, Are You Afraid Of The Dark?. Plus, Naomi's reveals the iconic title of the 30pg. screenplay she wrote in high-school.CONNECT W/ LAS CULTURISTAS ON FACEBOOK & TWITTER for the best in "I Don't Think So, Honey" action, updates on live shows, conversations with the Las Culturistas community, and behind-the scenes photos/videos:www.facebook.com/lasculturistas/twitter.com/lasculturistasLAS CULTURISTAS IS A FOREVER DOG PODCASTforeverdogpodcasts.com/las-culturistas Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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She gave us five stars. She says, preferred on december 24th 2017 she gave us five stars she says i book road trips to see friends i don't even like so i can spend six hours with matt and bowen on the lonely road well we would love to join any of you on a road trip for six hours to friends that you don't like because we get to spend time and also i hope none of katherine's friends are listening to this because she might not like those friends but you know what she's brave enough to say that she doesn't like them. Anyway, who needs friends? You have us. Las Culturistas. Rate us. Review us. Subscribe to

us. Baby, come on on Apple Podcasts. And let's get us back on that chart, honey. Now let's get into the show. Look, man. Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Is that culture? Yes. Goodness. Wow yes Las Culturistas ding-dong Las Culturistas

calling I feel the thickness in the air of the culture that is surrounding us wow see you took a deep ass breath before we went in here and I think it's because the air is very thick with culture and I was like is he having trouble breathing no it's's because the air is very thick with culture. And I was like, is he having trouble breathing? No, it's merely because the air is so thick with culture. The air is viscous, darling. Yeah, I mean, think about this. We've had, in the last 48, a presidential candidate emerge, honey. Okay, we'll talk about this.

I mean, I think we will talk about it because you know what? The nation is talking about it. Yes, and what an interesting, like, what? Fascinating. We'll talk about this. We'll talk about this. Oh, we're we will talk about it because you know what? The nation is talking about it. Yes, and what an interesting, like, what? Fascinating. We'll talk about this. We'll talk about this. Oh, we're going to talk about it. The fact that this is even, that we're even talking about it. And we haven't even said yet the name.

But here's the deal. There's been a lot of cults, and we are in the thick of awards season right now, honey. Absolutely. I actually watched a screener today. I'm excited to talk about it. I did my SAG Awards voting today. Oh, she's a SAG girl. She's a SAG girl now.

And this one, I did not pay my initiation fees in time. Famously, yes. And you know who else didn't pay her initiation fees in time? No, no. She paid her initiation fees, but she has not paid her dues yet. Yet to pay the dues. Yes. But you know what?

I can't think of someone who's paid more dues in their real life. Absolutely. This person has climbed the mountain of culture and now sits atop the peak yes and looks down and she feels the thunder because she is the thunder and i can't imagine on the mountaintop can't imagine how thick the air is up there at the top of the mountain famously you know being from denver right but um you know as you oh is it thin with altitude as you go up the air gets thinner yeah okay and so it gets thicker as you go down more into the swamps of Florida. But it gets thinner

on the mountaintop where our guest resides because she just won't accept all this just drivel. That's not something she accepts. We deal with that sea level. Let's talk about, obviously her credit is not accepting the drivel, but let's talk about

the real credits that you can see, hear, watch, feel. Oh, let's go through the credits. And enjoy, honey. All right. So first I want to say, to see this person live in the flesh, will you be there? Yes. Yes, absolutely. I didn't know she's in New York currently.

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half hour which you can see on Comedy Central dot com on the app on the app on demand if you get a little bit of Amazon video

iTunes I actually have that I set up a Amazon uh not a Roku Amazon Fire an Amazon Fire stick so I'm gonna watch it on that but actually rule number um I actually have that. I set up a Amazon, uh, not a Roku, Amazon fire. An Amazon fire stack. So I'm gonna watch it on that.

But actually rule number six of culture is, is never forget the app. And so let's, let's, let's, let's memorialize that by saying together, never forget the app. And speaking of the app,

I, um, paid $3 for the HD episode of her half hour so that maybe she sees, maybe she saw... 30 cents. 30 or 60, I was gonna say 60 cents. Oh my god, you guys, let's waste no more time. I have no idea. Let's waste no more time and please

welcome our guest with great fanfare, Naomi Ekperigan! Now, this is us. This is us! this is lit this is 2018 you know what I'm saying I don't like a lot of

podcasts my fiance hosts too and I like them snap impression beginnings bless him that's his plug bye bye baby I'm done with you. No more dude. You guys, you know, we throw around the phrase give life.

Oh man. We do throw it around. What it is for someone to birth you. What it is for someone to be an emotional placenta. Oh my goodness. Yes. And yet, Las Culturistas, I mean, ding dong. Yes. Open the door. You said it, I mean, ding dong. Yes, open the door.

You said it, I felt chills. I showed up to the door with a fresh baked pie. Yes, you did. The pie is cooling. That is how I feel about this. I am too happy. Honestly, we are so happy. And we've been trying to get you for quite some time.

And we've been getting specific tweets and little social media granules of Naomi, Naomi, Naomi. No, yeah. The fans? The fans will tweet and they'll say. I thought it was a singular fan. I'll take multiple. Imagine if there was one fan that just had all these accounts. Handles.

Yeah. Well, you know, they're out there. They're out there. But specifically recently we got someone hitting us up and saying you must get Naomi on because she is culture. Absolutely. Which is, that's big to live up to. Wow. Absolutely naomi on because she is culture which is that's that's big to live up to absolutely wow is culture is culture you know who they've only said that about one other

person and who's that that's the new the next president okay it's it's over that yeah i mean okay so let's check in um we've had quite the cycle with this. Everybody, just the collective tenor of this is first everyone just, you know, of course, loving, beautifully accepted, appreciated the speech. And then it sort of grew out and extrapolated into presidential stuff. We so lonely. We so lonely. And we were like, Mama, please. We're starved for it. That's what it is.

Starved for elocution. Yes. You know what I'm saying. That's what it is. For that gravitas. Yeah. I was like, is it that we wanted to be president or are we just shocked that a leadership type got up there and gave you something good at all.

That's not a takeaway from it, but you know. Right. Well, no. My thing, I will say this, I am, for you listeners who don't know, sometimes, you know, my voiceover agent says I can do both. I am black. The voiceover agent. The good thing is you can do both.

You're urban and general market. General market. Thank you. But I will say this. I don't believe Oprah should be president. No. I believe we need to get Oprah back on TV Sunday nights at 5. Okay, we need to gather around her like a hearth and hear some

common sense. Yes, I agree. Just to bring this back to podcasts, which you mentioned and which this is currently on this program, I think, you know and which this is currently on this program. I think, you know what, the Super Soul Sundays, it's not enough.

I need the visual, all the sensory things of Oprah just coming at me. I need her on ABC. Yes. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, we need her again. We need her back

where everyone can watch her because the only thing I think that might be decent about Oprah as president is because I feel like she's the only person of 50-year-old old white ladies will get behind. That's what I'm saying.

And I genuinely think that I don't know, but maybe if Oprah is on every day in the 2016 election, maybe shit turns out different. Right. Maybe. Maybe if these white women have some of a certain age, like in the middle of the country, have someone telling them something besides like someone they trust. Maybe something happens. I don't know. She got him to read. That's what I'm saying.

She got a lot of people to read. So I feel like anything is possible, but it doesn't mean she should be president. No. Well, no, it's that thing. And I'm sure you guys have read this similar sort of statement that's like, the second she makes a tough policy decision, she's no longer Oprah as we know her. Right, no, she's gone. She's gone.

It's like that Oprah has gone away. We've exercised that person. Well, I think those same women who we say love Oprah, too, the moment she tried to run for president, they'd be like, who that black bitch in T.E.A.? You know what I'm saying? They don't turn. That would be very revealing. Absolutely. Honestly, I read a tweet like I've been doing because there's been

a lot to read tweets about, but somebody said I like Oprah. I don't know if we should give her the right to kill people from the sky. I was like, yeah that pretty much sums it up.'s fair but we gave it to crazy mccrazy that's true i mean we didn't we didn't but you know yeah but but he does have

the power the thing is i think it's like when you start thinking in terms of like well if this person can win what can we put together to um to get them with back it's like you can't think in terms of reactions like that you have to think in terms of who's going to be a good president and there are options i know it seems like there's going to be a dearth a little bit on the democratic side or there's not that one figure really who's uniting everyone just yet. I don't think that means Oprah Winfrey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. I think it is, though,

I think what people felt was what it is to have somebody talk and be electrified. Yes. And I think you just haven't had that in a little while. And by a little while, a year and a half, two years.

Yeah, 100%. Where you hear somebody talking, you're like, I'm gonna go exercise. Yeah. Honey, I hear Oprah talk. I'm like, I'm gonna do a brisk walk. I hear Oprah talk. I'm like, I'm going to do a brisk walk. I'm going to cut out that bread.

You're going to love it. She gets me wanting to be better, right? And I don't think we've heard that. And that's why. Sins go high. Exactly. Well, exactly. And she's like, I'm trying to raise my kid.

Leave me alone for a hot minute. And it's so funny. What happened the last time we saw a quality speech at all? Must be president. Put her on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We are starved. You are right.

We are lonely and starved. We're so lonely and starved. We are starved and we demand certain things from certain people just for doing something that has a cursory impact on this huge office.

And also, this is not to say that she can't have a political impact or a political future. Well, she already does, I think, in a lot of ways. She already has a political impact. Well, especially I think more so

when she had her show on, right? Which is why I'm like, I want her back on television. I want to be able to see her every day at four or I'll take once a week because I do think whether she wants it or not, she can move a needle. Yeah.

Should she choose to? And it just feels like what else we got. But it doesn't mean you are meant to lead the free world. And I also think though she don't necessarily want to. You know what I'm saying? Stedman got enough he dealing

with. I said at the Golden Globes, I was like so good to see Stedman now. It was great to see him out. It was great to see him out. It's rare. It's very rare. Also, were you,

let's talk about the Globes in general for a second. When the show started and there were two empty ass seats next to Oprah, I was like, who the fuck

is not there and who was it? Ms. Streisand herself. Showing up late to the ultimate gig. Showing up late to the ultimate gig. Showing up late and, God, what was, she presented the final award. Director.

No, she didn't present director, she presented best picture drama. Was it best picture drama? All right, she had something to say about best director. Which, the Natalie Portman thing was seismic. I was so surprised because I normally think of her as so basic and so when she

said something I was like okay Natalie I was like it took me a minute you know what I mean to take her in and I was like I'm into you. She is sharp Harvard she is she's politically minded she has a lot of opinions I think that she kind of like withdraws from the whole scene every four or five years.

And then when she does come back, she is the biggest movie star in the world. When Black Swan came out and she was winning her Oscar, there was nobody bigger. And then you saw her go away. Right. And now it's like she's back, arrived. She got on Instagram. She's on Insta? She's on Insta.

I'll follow. She's on Insta now. Are there baby pics. I'll follow. She's on Insta now. Are there baby pics? There are no baby pics. It's all time's up right now. Okay. It's all time's up right now. She's here to do the work.

Yes. And you're getting that. You're seeing her very present. I know she's going to be appearing in the media in the next few weeks. That's a hint. Oh.

But like... You heard it here first. Well, she's... Natalie Portman will make a public appearance. Bitch, read between the lines. She's got a big movie coming out. What do celebrities do when they have big movies coming out? That's not...

Right, but I didn't say it. Okay. So, but, you know, to see her kind of like... Wait, hold on. Sorry, what's her movie? It's that movie where they're all in the woods, and she's like, have you seen the trailer for this movie? No.

Natalie Portman and all the women. I don't remember. I don't know who else is in it. I don't want to guess because I'll be so wrong. But it's basically they play like a team of scientists. And they go to this kind of like, I don't know if it's another planet or like a part of the world that's like fucked up. But they try to like, I don't know.

They're wearing cargo shorts and they're in the woods. Just search Natalie Portman, new film, fucked up planet, cargo shorts. Natalie Portman, cargo shorts, planet. There's a picture. When we take a short break, we'll get to the picture, but there's a picture of her looking in a white crocodile's mouth. Oh, I know what you're talking about. You know what I'm talking about.

Yeah, but she's got this big movie coming out, and so it just so happens that, you know, I think she's very passionate about this cause, and she's back out there doing it on Instagram, shaking it up at the Golden Globes. I would say have always loved her. Have always loved. Wow, you knew.

But also understood the best seek, you knew. But also understood the Basique. You know, like, accepted all of it. The whole, every contour of Natalie Portman. See, I, I don't know, I've never thought of her as Basique.

I've always thought of her as Classique. Classique. Okay, interesting, interesting. You know what, sometimes I see a white woman and I shut down. Right. And, you know, that's not me.

You know, listeners, you have to admit your faults, you have to admit your faults. You have to admit your fault goals. Oh, my goodness. There are those incredibly Basique Miss Dior ads that she's in. Yes.

Like, anyone who's in like a perfume ad, it's a little bit of an eye roll. Like, even, it doesn't matter how fierce they are. Like, Charlize Theron in those Dior ads, like, it doesn't get fiercer

than that. But you're like, the bitch is making a check for a perfume. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah.

But you know what they say? The actresses, when they get to that level, they have one of two options. They can choose to do brands and go the fashion fragrance lane. Or they can do the shitty sellout movies so you can either do you know like what for example like big new star Lupita Nyong'o not someone you're going to see in the romcoms

so how does she make her movie being a fashion make her money being a fashion icon and you see that decision being made a lot she's a walking fit model part of Lupita I think was, was the combination of their performance coupled with the fact that when you saw her at every award show. Stunning.

Perfection. She was a walking canvas. Exactly. So you need her everywhere. Right. You need her everywhere. Yes. Right?

And then that helps the next thing to come in. Yeah. Truly a designer's dream because when she, there was also no one on the carpet looking like her. Of course. So basically you had it imprinted in your mind. Yeah. Because there were those probably like four or five moments where you step out there during awards season. Yeah.

And you really make a point. And I think she wore a bunch of really different looks. And then her Oscars look was like the culmination was that like light blue. Light blue. It looked unbelievable. Unforgettableation was that like light blue. Light blue. Looked unbelievable. Unforgettable. Asian goddess. Yes.

Yeah, very goddess. Hellenic. Yes. Yes. Afro-Hellenic. Afro-Hellenic. Honestly, title of ep. Okay.

Lupita and, how did we get on this? Oh, Natalie. The Globes. The Globes. The Globes. What do we think? So are we into awards season? Have we been seeing the movies?

Naomi, what's your awards journey? Well, you know, I've gotten some of my screeners from the Writers Guild. And I'm trying to get up to speed, but I also I don't watch them all. So many of them. It's also such a Oscar

bait. Awards bait is almost always heavy. Horrible to watch. And so you gotta be in this mood where you kinda wanna just be down. And I think when they're actresses, actors and actresses, like Frances McDormand and Meryl Streep and Tom Hanks,

where it's like, okay, I know what you do. So I'm not necessarily, when I go into the performance, I almost take it for granted, right? You know that person is going to give you everything. So then, to me, then the focus becomes, okay, well, you're putting all that into what story, right? And so, I don't know, there's very few things that really spoke to me.

I mean, it wasn't't good but I wasn't like oh my god that makes me usually if I walk out of something good it's like it makes me want to act it makes me want to write

it makes me want to be in it right? And there wasn't much that came. I'll tell you today I watched my screener for the Florida Project Okay.

Heartbreaking at the end. Yeah. And yet not easy to watch. Not because it was like, violent or anything, it was just long. And bleak.

And sad. Yeah. And you're sitting in the reality, very well done movie. Of course. I did vote for Mr. Defoe. Okay. When I voted for Sag,

which I did today. You gotta be DeFriend to Defoe. Oh! DeFriend to Defoe, because also, I was looking at the list, and I was like, Woody Harrelson and Sam Rockwell, i don't really care about that movie um steve carell and battle of the sexes i was like did you see battle of the sexes yeah fine fine right fine fine right

like it it it didn't i don't know it didn't tell that story in a fun cool way i wasn't yeah it wasn't it was you know i i and again especially when you're dealing with something historical right you know if you know what you're what the story is going in right yeah you're a quarter of the way there yeah you're a quarter of the way there but that's but you know but you you put in such a good way it's like okay i know what these actors are about what these performances are going to be in some general sense what is going to be the emotional context in the story and that's that's great yeah i love that uh and the thing with it too is like today i was on the website and there's the options the things you can stream because now they don't always send out the dvds

you can stream them and i was like are people gonna watch downsizing like i saw i saw downsizing too but naomi's making a face What did you think of downsizing? Give your take. And then I'll give mine. Okay, so I watched the screener. And periodically, when you're watching the screener, it will pop up in the bottom for your consideration in all categories.

And I was insulted. When I saw that, I said, I barely consider you a damn movie. Well, it's truly hard after the first hour. I was baffled. I was shook. I said, you know, as I am starting to learn this business a little bit, on even a small scale, you see how many people have to sign off on something.

Oh, yeah. Let alone when you get into, like, a major motion picture. Yes. I said, who owed who money? Yeah. Who held who ransom? What the fuck was the second half of that movie, man? That was hard.

For the first half, I thought, okay, this could continue to be fun. And I thought it started off, I was like, you know, this is a really fun idea. It seems like someone read the first half of the script and said, yeah. I like it. And then didn't read the second half. Well, I said yeah I like it and then didn't read the second half well I heard you know it's the same guy who did Sideways he wanted to make that movie immediately after Sideways and for

a very years people were like no and I wonder if it was in bringing in like Matt Damon you know people who had names to make it get made but to me it was such a waste of a premise. And I love sci-fi stuff. I love a lot of give me something like that and then just build out that world.

That can be fun to watch. It doesn't have to be very deep, right? It can just be a cool way to see something. And I thought they wasted that whole premise. So wasted. Also, when you have, if you tell me the draw of this movie is Matt Damon, he better not be the worst damn character in the movie. Hello? You done told me to come watch Matt Damon.

The thing is- That's already, like, you know. I was fully there. I was there at a screening, and the point they were even having it was, because the only thing that's nominated is Hong Chao. She doesn't show up until halfway through. And even that, it was just like, I can't necessarily care about this character because I don't care about the rest of the movie now because it's just changed so much.

You just want to care. And sometimes, quote unquote, bad movies that never get in the Oscar conversation, I'm like, I really cared about that shit. Right. And no one talked about it. Well, I think the whole thing is because you're forced to see everything through the eyes of this Matt Damon character that is aimless, kind of not really grounded, certainly not

compelling, not an interesting guy. Right. So when he cares about Hong Chao, we're supposed to care about Hong Chao, but because we don't care about him, we don't care about who he cares about. So you're kind of like, okay, i guess you kind of like her yeah and then it was like i don't know who that dialect coach was no that was tough they made her do an accent i heard about that was see it you didn't see no no no but cartoony it was distracting and it was insulting and it was so funny you know at the golden globes i said though

when they were doing that um that during the opening monologue and they had the different actors she was the only one who nailed her line yeah she was the only one who knew her comedic timing Jessica Chastain was just like

just lost she's been flubbing lines all over the place well she doesn't know what the jokes are right like she I think you know so many people are like

I want to be funny right and then they do it and it's like baby girl oh you can't do it she's been flubbing no Hong Hong delivered

she delivered and it was but to see that right yeah, you can't do it. She's been flubbing. No, Hong delivered. She delivered. But to see that, right? Yeah. And all I'd ever seen of her was downsizing. Right. And Big Little Lies. And she was in Big Little Lies. Oh, God, yes.

Yeah, everyone forgets because how could, I mean, she was just as very much in the Greek chorus, but she was fully in that. And I'm wondering if they'll beef up her part in the second season of Big Little Lies. Right. Because she very likely will, if the precursors are to be believed, will earn an Oscar nomination. Right. Despite, who knows.

But you're not just going to put her in the back now with an Oscar nomination. Right. You absolutely cannot. Yeah. But I think it'll be interesting. But something like that, I was looking at it and I'm like, how fair is this? Because I voted today and didn't see everything

yeah I mean I just don't have any interest in seeing a lot of this shit well that's what's why Dark Shadows no

what the fuck is Dark Shadows what's Dark Shadows that movie with Gary Oldman where he plays Winston Churchill oh Darkest Hour Darkest Hour same difference same difference

I don't know honey during the Oscars I mean the Golden Globes when he was talking I was like honey get him back to Azkaban get him back to Azkaban the Get him back to Azkaban. The room was dead.

Well, honestly, right, it was supposed to end after Oprah. You don't have Oprah and then everyone else has to try and talk.

It's like, honey, I don't care about your journey. The fact that there was a moment of more stimulation after Oprah, which was Natalie saying that, was already too much.

The room, if God had a sense of humor, the room would saying that was already too much. The room, if God had a sense of humor, the room would have exploded right there. It was just like, honestly, like that should have been the end of the whole evening. And then also when Barbara came out and did her speech about not enough women directors, I was like,

okay, but the thing is we just heard it. And like, it's been, it's been set at the highest. Well, when, when Salma came up to, it was like, you know, she tried to start a times up, but it was like,'s been it's been set at the highest well when when salma came up too

and was like you know she tried to start at times up but it was like oh too late like i feel like this should happen to the beginning and then and then over would have closed it and then you could have had like a little you know because lord knows she has come out and says so i'm not you know but it was just like again that timing that compared to this energy level we were at yeah the flow of the show that i don't think you can, to the producer's credit, I don't think you can predict necessarily the flow of something like the Golden Globes.

I don't know. I think you know if you give an Oprah an award. That's true. That she gonna say something. You know what I'm saying? She gonna take it. I said Oprah took us to church. She took us to school.

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Speech, though, is so amazing because she starts off, like, confessional. Like, this is a little anecdote from my life, and it ends on, like, literally, like, calling upon thunder. It was almost, like almost cartoonishly heroic. Oh my god. A new day! You know I love when she bellows. Oh, I love it. Okay, if Oprah bellows, I am here.

Yes. Fist raised. Fist raised. To the gods. And it was so silly, but literally I was like, she's doing this off the top of her head. Obviously she thought about it, but literally I was like, she's doing this off the top of her head. Yeah. Right? Like, obviously she thought about it, but, you know, she wasn't, you know, some people shaking with their papers up there. Right. And Oprah's got everything and it just all comes together.

I was like, you literally, like, brought up Rosa Parks, a forgotten woman who recently passed away and was sexually assaulted. You know, she kept it. And Sidney Poitier and everything. And Ms. Recy, who we just learned about. Well, that's ridiculous. Who was assaulted. You know, she brought it and Sidney Poitier and everything. And Ms. Recy who we just learned about. Who was assaulted.

You know, she brought in Recy and Rosa and Sidney and it was just kind of like, again, we went through history. Yes.

Right? And she was personal. I'm obsessed with Oprah. I saw Oprah speak at, and this is like when I was into her because when I was little, I,

obviously I knew the show but it wasn't for me. I wasn't watching it. it yeah i knew who she was and she was great but it was when i went to a friend's graduation at howard university oh my god please i'm gonna put this out here please don't come after me legally but i went to a friend's graduation at howard university which is historically black college in dc yeah and oprah was their graduation speaker wow and oprah said something i never forgot you know she was you know historically black college in dc yeah and oprah was their graduation speaker wow and oprah said something i never forgot you know she was you know historically black college everybody you know mostly mostly black and she was saying she was like you know when i was growing up you know i was raised by my grandmother all she wanted for me she said her biggest dream for me was that i had

good white people that whoever she worked for would treat her well basically wow you know and she's like you know my grandmother never lived to see my success she never lived to see that i did get good white people good white people working for me howard university erupt yes how could you how could you dead she read the fucking room and it was like and it was literally you know but what she was saying to everybody she was like basically what she was saying to these graduates she was like your crown has been paid for yeah wear it oh yeah and i wasn't graduating i was like i'm taking it i'm going out i'm hitting these streets and that was for me the moment when i was like i'm here for opera forever it was a different way you saw her speak right because she wouldn't say good white people working for me in front of a

non-all black audience and also not now because the media would get a hold of it well exactly a problem yeah exactly this was probably 10 years ago moment in time and it was like you know for her to be up there and it was just kind of like who she was and how it was like that for me you know because i think what i had always seen up until then was that polished that uh that general market thing that general general market general market op. That general market Oprah. General market Oprah. And it was so,

you know, to see that and sort of be like how she literally just like brought it down and everyone was just like throwing up their caps. You know what I mean?

It was like literally a different world, 2.0. We're all gonna do it. It's so crazy. What I've always associated her with is warmth. Like that's,

I guess if I had one word that I could ascribe to her that I feel since I was a child watching her, her being out in the house and being present in the culture, if you will, it's warmth. She just exudes. You just know, like Reese mentioned the hugs. You know the hugs are good. Oh, yeah. You know the hugs are good oh yeah you know the hugs are bomb ass hugs yeah yeah definitely that's someone who yeah she in the eighth grade and Denver is

in in many ways you know what no it's Denver's great now but back and back in the day and when I was in the eighth grade this is 2003 we'll say and Denver is just a culturally devoid place and just like people wouldn't come like you wouldn't see celebrities but Oprah was in town and the entire and Denver and in the entire city shut down of course I was gonna say day off school people were just talking about it all day, they were like, Oprah's in town, my mom saw Oprah, my mom was standing in line for five hours to just get a glimpse of Oprah from across the window,

and everyone is just like, fucking, just going crazy over Oprah, and that was like, that was the moment moment for me that I was like, oh, oh yeah,

and I'm reading East of Eden because she told me to all this stuff and then but then the moment that Oprah clicked for me was was just her Barbara Walters interview after after she had just announced own and she like that moment where she like cries tears up and talks about Gail or talks about the like her like going into a car dealership and buying two cars because she was like because hello i could like she was like yeah oh i was like oh yeah you are this you are this like amazing amazing like just just a success story anyway um but yeah uh the mother makes you the mother i never had the sister everybody would

want the best the friend everyone deserves i don't friend everyone deserves. I don't know a better person. I don't know a better person. So good. So good. It's so good. Yeah, anyway. What do we think results of the evening? Have we all seen Lady Bird? We have. Not a fan?

I hope this is a safe space. Wow, it's certainly a safe space. I have not seen Lady Bird yet. Okay. And I will tell you that, again, it wasn't a story that I was like, I have to see. Yes. The one part about it that I did want to see was, you know, the mother-daughter relationship. Right.

Because when it says it's got something, I'm like, I feel like that might speak to my soul. Yeah. It's great. But I hadn't, I mean, I know she's great. I'm going to say I loved her, Saoir great I'm gonna say I loved her Saoirse right Saoirse Saoirse she was in that action movie

where she's like a little feral killer do you remember she was like a little kid the lovely bones no no she was a feral killer the lovely bones

she was feral she was unfortunately killed Hannah Hannah and I'm like loved her since Hannah I think the girl's amazing I call her baby Anne Heche

just in her physical features oh my god baby Anne He. I call her Baby Anne Heche, just in her physical features. Oh my God, Baby Anne Heche. She looks just like Anne Heche. You know what? You're absolutely right, she does. I think she's wonderful. It was more like the, again, Gerda Gerwig doesn't speak to me. And I say doesn't speak to me.

That's like my refrain is like, no one has to be bad, right? But it's more like, okay, you're quirky. I don't do it right but I went into the movie with those same yeah same never cared

with those same sort of preconceived things and then just the way that the mother daughter relationship is portrayed felt very very

very truthful and maybe not universal but I related to it with not even my mother but my dad I was like that's me and my dad and then the second the movie ended when I walked out

the theater I called him up I was like I just saw a really nice movie it was about like a daughter and a mother but it reminded me of us and blah blah blah and I just want to say I love you and I don't know Naomi I'm not going to say. That's really nice. A movie that drove you to take an action like that. And I feel like and that's like the little anecdote that everyone has now with Lady Bird.

It's like, oh, I called my parents as soon as the movie ended. Well, I know a lot of people were like, oh, I cried. You know what I mean? I felt like a lot of white women were telling me about them crying. And I'm no longer mad at that because initially white women told me they cried at Wonder Woman. And I was like, okay. And then I was literally on a JetBlue flight watching Wonder Woman. And I was like.

You cried? Yeah. Just when she's running across the battlefield? It was that first, well, that was a moment, but it was that first fight of all the women. Yes. And I was like, okay. And then there were black women there too as well, right?

In that group. And so I was like, okay. Because I think that's why I tend to be a little less enthused. I mean, maybe resistant, but sometimes I'm just like, just because, you know, when the women don't look like me,

it doesn't feel aspirational. It doesn't feel relatable. It doesn't feel, you know, when a woman is held to a high standard, but then she's like blonde hair and blue eyed, that's part of it, right? That's part of it. So so much of it, I'd be like I was like

I get it but I don't feel empowered and yet when I saw Wonder Woman even though you know she's like Israeli I was like okay girl I'm about to do CrossFit we're about to kick some ass like I was into it and so that's why I'm like okay well like maybe I see Lady Bird and I feel it maybe I feel it

that's the thing that is really actually that's a great point it's I have a way I don't know if you feel it. That's the thing. That is really actually, that's a great point. It's either way, I don't know if you feel this, but it's been like that with me with romance movies too. Like you never, ever, ever,

ever, ever, ever, ever see a homosexual love affair on screen. And so I think every time I see some sort of love story, which is in every movie, I always leave like emotional, but not for the reason where i felt like thank god they

got together it's always like a little sad yeah because it's like man like wish that like that was out there right and that and you know for i guess poc that must feel like fucking everything well there's so much writing on this movie coming out, Crazy Rich Asians, with Constance Wu and Awkwafina. I've heard about it, yeah. Every Asian actor, Ronny Chieng and everybody. And they're texting groups that I'm in with me and Joel and all these people that are just like... Crazy Rich Asian panic groups. Panic groups being like, this movie has to do well.

Right. It probably won't, but it has to do well. Put out there that it's going to do well. I'm sure it will. And I think another way, and this is maybe a more cynical way, but you have to remember that no one expects much from it. Right. So it's going to do better.

It's like, y'all didn't think we were going to do shit. Yes. We coming out these streets. You know what I mean? The same thing with grocery. We're like, we spent $1.50 on a movie. It made $100 million. That's because you didn't think we was going come out for it that's so fair i think even more profoundly than that get out which i actually took i voted for them

for the ensemble and i voted for him for lead actor i think because i was i watched it last night for the first time now oh my god tell me about your journey welcome to my world my journey my journey i've been in this place for so long. Yeah. He's been waiting for me to watch it. Yes, oh my God. Now, here's why I haven't watched it. I really can't watch scary movies.

Like, even last night, I actually had to take a break in the middle. Yeah. Because it got to be like a little too much. Where was the break? Where was the break? The break was right, actually it was towards the end. Spoiler alert for Get Out. When it becomes clear.

Is it the keys? When it becomes clear that he is going to be operated on. Okay. I had to take a short break. Okay. And that was actually towards the end of the movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was like half an hour left.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but I thought it was unbelievable. And I will say this. Something, because I was thinking about, you know, acting while I was watching it. And I was thinking to myself, because I had the screener because of SAG. It is so hard to lead a horror film. Yep. You have to believably have so many things revealed to you.

So much shock and horror and panic and intense despair. That is not easy. And the acting challenges in that movie, not only just for him, but across the board. For everybody. For everybody.

For everyone. It was so high. I talked to Rachel Wineski about it today. It was such an ask of all those actors. And what a complicated script. Well, that's the thing, right? Because it's not just, because like some horror movies where, you know,

the first 10 seconds, you kill a girl, and then maybe 30 minutes later, someone else dies, and you're kind of watching people get picked off. You have that opening that showed you, okay, this is what our stakes are, but then it is a very slow burn, right? Where literally it is like, so no one's doing anything crazy,

but it's gonna be a little menacing that's hard playing that like the whole time it's almost impossible to do because like at any point you could just be like really this bitch that's the main character

is not like letting on that like there's something weird going on and the thing with this movie is it's such it's so That's the main character is not letting on that there's something weird going on. And the thing with this movie is it's so slow. The peel back of something weird and fucked up is going on. And the family, it's Bradley Wifford, Catherine Keener, and Alison Williams. They play it so real and grounded. Honestly, white bait is the role Alison Williams is playing. White bait is the role.

That is the role she was born to play. But she was perfect. She was. She was literally like, I was like, this is it. That's the best thing she's ever done. And I actually am a fan of hers on Girls. I think that she's a little bit more aware than everyone thinks she is. But this, I was actually surprised she's not in the words conversation a little bit more

because the movie doesn't work without that performance. Yep. It doesn't work. And I'm telling you, that is like, that's like a deck of cards, that movie,

because one thing is weird and it almost got weird with the brother. I was just going to say. He was the guy to me who, I was like, you're terrifying. Yeah. Literally immediately terrifying. Like, that's probably the point where if I'm him, the actor I was just gonna say he was the guy to me who like I was like you're terrifying yeah

literally immediately terrifying like that's probably the point where if I'm him if I have one tiny qualm with the movie it's like

I leave when the brother tries to fight me at dinner yeah yeah yeah when the crazy eyed white brother right who looks who looks crazy

he looks terrifying he looks terrifying I wondered about that casting I was like maybe we cast someone who we can believe is the Alison Williams equivalent. He's having a moment, though. What's his name?

I forget. He's in Three Billboards. He's also in Florida Project. And he's in Florida Project. He was in this movie today, too. We're mentioning Lady Bird and Get Out, and those are the only two movies this year in the awards cycle. I think it's a good year, but those really are the only two movies for me that I'm inspired to write. Exactly. I think it's a good year, but those really are the only two movies for me that I'm inspired to write.

Exactly. I mean, I loved, loved, loved Get Out. I wanted it to win the Globes only because I wanted to push it into the Oscars conversation. I just wanted to be in that. I wanted to be such a contender, but at the same time, it is not a musical or comedy. So it wasn't going to.

It didn't clear any hurdles. I really wanted, and i'm hoping because you know on the wga side i gave him screenplay i gave it like i was like i was coming for whatever i will nominate it for everything that i can do because it is you know again to be a first film to yeah get that tone to you know um you know something he said he was like I did a movie that white people saw where there was not a single good white person

right because that's a big deal because you can have that bat but there's always usually a white savior or somebody who's like I'll help you and it was he made this movie where they were all bat and you were still like everyone came like I saw the movie on 125th street in Harlem and it was like he made this movie where they were all bad. All bad. And you were still like, everyone came. Like, I saw that movie on 125th Street in Harlem. And it was like packed and mixed and loud and so fun.

Yes, yes. And perfect. I wish I'd seen it. And it was like, that was, you know, he did that. You know what I mean? Like, the first time I wasn't annoyed by Harlem's gentrification. I was like, we shall be here together. That's why that movie should win Best Picture.

I think that movie should win best picture because I think when you talk about best picture at the end of the year it should say something about the year

it should say something about the year and I think that watching Lady Bird win best musical comedy it said something about that moment I think Get Out

says something about all of it like that's what I want to see and I think Get Out says something about all of it. Like, that's what I want to see. And I think that actually, if it's in drama, I think it beats Three Billboards.

I hope so. I would hope so. I was hoping they got all their globes and now we can, like, yeah. Yes, yes, yes. It's the categorization

that fucks it up because I'm sure Universal thought, we can't throw this in drama, they won't take it seriously. I think they would have because it had nominations. It's showing up everywhere. Critics like it with that.

Jordan Peele like tweeted like the day that like it's a documentary. He was like, this is a documentary, which I also tweeted. I mean, group mind. And it's so funny too. Yeah.

It's like, there's no good white person because Alison Williams on, I think it was like on some interviews. She was like, it's crazy because people will come up to me. Seth Meyers. She said this. People will come up to me and be like,

okay, but your character was like, like was good though. Like she loved him. And she has to be like, no, she's an evil, disgusting human being.

Like, what is so hard to understand? Yeah. Not, yeah. It's like, no. And it's like no and it's all the white and it's only white people who go up to her and say that we're just like trying to find some iota of like redemptive thing it's like you did care

it's like what movie did you watch that's literally only on you I thought it was you know I could tell you really loved him it's like no bitch that's entirely on you it I thought it was, you know, I could tell you really loved him. It's like, no, bitch. That's entirely on you.

It says a lot about you. It does. So, so, so on you. Okay, so we're going to take a really quick break and then we will be right back with Naomi. Yes. Okay, we're back with Naomi.

We were just talking over the break about how genre. Matt and Naomi are both sort of foret sort of um foretelling of are foretelling this sort of new trend that movies will catch up to tv where tv is really thriving in genre right now and genre is being rewarded i just think we were talking about this you know

the biggest show on television is game of thrones you gotta imagine if we saw the numbers that strangers things would be right behind that you know big little lies huge in its market probably dominated like things like this handmaid's tale even you know what i mean yes these these shows that Stranger Things would be right behind that. You know, Big Little Lies, huge. In its market, probably dominated. Like, things like this, Handmaid's Tale, even. You know what I mean? Yes. These shows that are

getting hoisted up. Or even period pieces, too. Right. I mean, well, the thing is about period pieces is that's like, I think, what classically the awards system

and the studio system has always thought, here's your awards bait. This is the only option. Right. But I think that audiences, because of the rise of television right now, we're saying we like genre stuff. Right.

And genre stuff can be good. I mean, you know, a lot of people are, I don't agree with this, but a lot of people want to see Wonder Woman sneak into one of the eight or nine best picture slots you know i think when the dark knight didn't sneak in there for best picture people were like that was the movie of the year and i think what we're seeing is with the downfall of harvey weinstein i think and the kind of waking up of hollywood which i think has to happen or it's gonna fucking crumble, to what people want, it's not what it used to be. I think we don't want to be just given these four or five options for what are the prestige

things at the end of the year. Because even think about it, the things that are catching on that people didn't really think would catch on are like I, Tonya. Right? You know, like it's, we, what, what are these period films that are, I mean, phantom thread,

I guess, dark shot, dark shot, darkest hour. To me, it's dark shadow. It's going to be dark shadow for me, but you know,

and you know, I just think we got to get more creative and I think we might see that with the fall of Weinstein and the ushering into the new era. I hope we see a big, bold statement. We're gonna embrace Get Out. I hope Get Out wins Best Picture. I'm putting it into the universe. Moonlight and then Get Out.

Yes, manifest. Yes, manifest. I'm just worried that since it didn't clear hurdles, quote unquote, the globe, it's not gonna like... But it was just not in the categories where it was gonna win, which is why I was really kind of annoyed. I was like, you put it in a category that to like. But it was just not in the categories where it was going to win which is why I was

really kind of annoyed. I was like you put it in a category that even the director says it shouldn't be in. Right. Yeah. So I think also too

once he says that that also kind of gives them the pass to not give it anything. Sure. Right. You know and it's like you didn't put it

in a place where it was going to succeed. That's the thing. It's like don't you set him up to fail. Exactly. How dare you. I think they thought they were helping. Of course. I think they thought it's going to be easier to beat lady bird and

i tanya then call me by your name and three billboards and dunkirk i think they saw dunkirk and said get out can't compete with dunkirk right yes i can compete with right right right especially again like it wasn't just here. It also did really well outside of the U.S. Yeah. You know, it did say something. And when you make a movie, especially, again, as unassuming as, you know, cheaply made, I think $4 or $5 million in movie language.

I'm like, half of that had to go to Bradley Whitford. He's famous. He's famous. It's actually rule of culture number 30. Bradley Whitford is a box office draw you're right it went to Bradley

I hope Kathy got a good cut of that I think she got but I said I mean Bradley Whitford's in town I was so happy

to see him and also kind of handsome the white hair the white hair white hair on certain white men can be so alluring.

Oh my God. Okay, I feel like we could dive into award season all day. I know. I actually wrote a missive today on Facebook about I, Tonya. I'm down for I, Tonya. I'm here for I, Tonya. Did you see I, Tonya? Yes, I did.

You liked I, Tonya? Wonderful. I loved it. I voted for Margot today. Good for you. I did. I think that she delivered the single best acted scene of the year. Which one?

The makeup in the mirror. Yes. I thought that was the emotional climax of the whole film. For me, it was her. The moment where she really had me was when she was getting sentenced. Courtroom. The courtroom. That was the kicker.

That was something. I was like, okay, Margot. Yeah, no. She's here to stay. She's here to stay. She's here to stay. Also, she produced that film. She's here to stay. Yeah. But stay also she produced that film oh she's here to stay

yeah um but we should ask the question the question naomi which is what was the culture that made you say cultures for me you were in your closet and you saw culture and you said i'm gonna wear this for the rest of my life it's so funny you know i grew up as an only child and so the two things i did were read and watch tv um so it's funny because You know, I grew up as an only child. And so the two things I did were read and watch TV. So it's funny because, you know, obviously I've listened to so many apps and heard different things. So in some ways we could say Babysitter's Club. Yes. I was addicted.

I mean, I owned, I was a member of the Babysitter's Kids Club. Like I would get books sent to me to the point where I think I was 13 we sent almost 100 books duplicates to the local library my mom was like because I would have the books and then part of the club I would get the books

and so I had doubles and so I took all my duplicates and gave them to the local library up on 135th and like but that's how many I had and just you know I'm at home now

and the books are still there because I will not yeah I'm grown and I'm keeping them. I met Anna Martin twice. I was afraid and silent both times. I was like literally like. Because she was it.

She was it. And it was so funny because you see this picture. It's like literally a plain white woman. You know, like she was like literally like she was in a turtleneck. I had on a horrible puffy jacket. And she was just like. You know, but she was in a turtleneck, high on a horrible puffy jacket. And she was just like, hmm. But she was not this imposing person by any means. And yet I was like, I was terrified of her.

That was a big thing for me. Baby Sarah's clapping. That was definitely. And then I would also say, too, again, watching so much TV, I grew up on so many Disney Channel shows and everything. Again, that's how TV, I grew up on so many Disney Channel shows and like everything. Again, that's how I knew I wanted to be an actor. A big thing for me was.

Angela on Boy Meets World. Wow. OK. Angela, yeah, broke it open. She was Ryder Strong's, Sean's girlfriend. Yes. Towards the later season, the end of high school, she was a black girl. Yes. Loved it. She was his girlfriend. Towards the later season, the end of high school, she was a black girl.

She was his girlfriend and it wasn't about her ass being black. He was the problem. He was immature and acting out. He was the bad boy. He was being such a writer strong about it. He was such a strong writer. Yeah. And that was his girlfriend

and that was huge for me. I might have been 12 or 13 honestly nobody really talks about that I'm always talking about it I'm always talking about it I'm always talking about Angela from Boy Meets World it was huge for me and also Ryder Strong was like the hot one you know what I mean like so I was like already like into him anyway and then he brought home this black woman and then I remember at the time she looking it up you know and being like who's this

she was like older than everybody like she was like an adult like they were all teens in the universe of the show or the actress

I see I see you know it's like yeah an older woman I don't know everything about it I was like and it made me feel like maybe there's space for me

but that was you know especially a Disney Channel show and like they really it was a lot to do. As you said, broke it up. Like, Angela on Boy Meets World was like, maybe it's time. Yeah. Well, you know what? As a love

interest, it was huge. Yeah. Because they always did the thing where it was like, and there's a black friend. Right. And there's a, you know. Usually a sexless black friend. Exactly. The black guy who wisecracks. Right, right, right. You know what I mean? Or maybe you've got a nerdy black girlfriend and she's always the one who's like, she's not talking to you now.

Yeah. But that was the first, she was truly like, kind of like a straight man, like girlfriend on that show, which again, there's problems with the archetype of that role, but we had only ever seen white girls play that role.

And the same kind of white girl, a Topanga white girl. girl named topanga yeah a black girl named angela i loved what they were doing yeah and what an inversion in the show how did angela come in was she a friend of someone's and then started dating him i don't i think she was just new at school you know like i think she kind of came in with the new season the new school school year. Yeah. And she was like Angela, and Angela had her shit together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Ryder was kind of a mess, and she made him better. Yeah. You know?

Did they go to college and then they meet? Or was she coming to the high school? She was high school. High school, okay. She was high school. Yes. And it was huge. And it was never a thing.

Yeah. There was never a very special She's Black episode. Honestly, listeners, call me out. But I don't remember that being like, it's like, it was never, Sean, you're dating

a black girl? No one ever said that as far as I saw on Boy Meets World. And you know what's interesting about those Disney shows is they did come in

with a sneak attack sometimes and have like a very special episode. Like I remember there was an episode of Lizzie McGuire one time where, I forget,

Miranda had, it becomes clear that Miranda has like a problem with food. She's developing an eating disorder. And there's this scene where Gordo and Lizzie kind of confront her, and they're like, we care about you, and we want to make sure that you're okay,

because we know that you're not. And she's kind of like, you're right, guys, not everything is okay. And then the episode kind of ends, and my dad was like, I like that. I'm going to show that to my students. My dad was a health teacher like, I like that. I'm going to show that to my students. My dad was a health teacher. Oh, he was.

I'm going to show that to my students. I like that. What is this show? It's really good. It was a teaching tool. Teaching tool. McGuire was a teaching tool. But like every other episode was like, oh, no, my foot hurts.

Not eating disorder related oh my god but yeah I mean see I shamefully have to say that I I have a Disney channel

blind spot thank you well sorry you a Nickelodeon kid no I'm just saying I didn't get cable so I just I had none of it yeah see

so then so then because my parents thought they were doing me like a huge service by like no they were not limiting my options, but no, what I ended up doing was just watching

lewd-ass mad TV sketches. Yeah, right? And by the time I was nine, was quoting insane, the Van Combe lady, just saying crazy things. And I was like, oh, this is not normal. But Naomi and I were cable queens. Yes. True cable queen.

Cable queen. Cable queen. Cable queen is the title of that. Cable queen. Cable queen. Always. I had it all. I had it all.

Yeah. I was watching Are You Afraid of the Dark? Okay. See that's where it started for me. I couldn't fucking get through it. Oh that's when you were afraid. It was too scary Naomi. It was too scary.

There's ruined horror for you. I loved it all. Like I read Goosebumps. Then the older version of Goosebumps, Fear Street. Yes, Fear Street. I was into all of it. I've always loved horror. The first movie I wrote, movie, probably like 30 pages, but it was in high school, and it

was called People Get Dead. And it was meant to be like a funnier, cooler version of Scream. But I always love that stuff. We have to have a full length. A stage reading of People Get Dead. People Get Dead.

Make it even funnier than Scream? Do it. Now, are you a horror fan? Is that something that you like? I really like it. It's funny though, now I like to watch them with people. It's not that I'm afraid, but because horror does have that like cheese effect and it's so fun to kind of comment on. I don't like to watch them by myself. And Jubu is not a horror fan because for him,

he's like, well, I don't get scared. So I don't like, it's not doing what it's supposed to do. Like he just doesn't feel it. Is it that he doesn't get scared or is that he, or is it that like he just,

just isn't like affected by like he's reviewing experience right i guess that's the same thing he's like not he's like because he's kind of like yeah like he's like i know it's gonna happen right not obviously exactly but he's sort of like okay and he's like well i know it's not a real person dying right so you know what i mean so he doesn't he just like because logic his way out of it sure Whereas to me, it is so real and insane, right? Like it's so, I don't really like as much the ones that involve a house where it's like, I bought an old house, now it's haunted.

Bought an old house, now we're dead. I like more of the we're living lives and someone has come upon us and decided we must die. I love that, yeah. You know, like I'm so into like, I know what you did last summer, like all of that. Those are fun.

Yeah. Those are fun. See the ones that get me, the thing is I'm just very susceptible to a jump scare, which is all those things. I, I, my body physically hurts when I get jumps.

No, I get it. I get anxious, but it's funny. I get just as anxious when I'm watching a show like Better Call Saul. 100%. Where I know it's like, don't go in there because you go say something and they're going to know you're lying. And then I get on edge.

So it's the same kind of anxiety, which is why I think I'm like, okay, we'll do it for all of them. Well, because I would rather watch a jump-scary thing than sit through three episodes of Breaking Bad being like, I want to fucking throw up. I had to stop watching Breaking Bad because it was too much. Yeah, it made me too anxious. Yeah, it made me...

There was a... I've said this before, but the scene where Gus slits someone's throat in front of them to show them who's boss and that they are his bitch. Like... I never saw that,

and I never will. No, it was... I had to stop. I was like, okay, this show is officially too good. Game of Thrones,

I can barely, I really can't because of the violence and the bigness of it. Yeah. Like, it just, I don't know.

It's too much. So when you say, are you afraid of the dark? That maybe made me think maybe that was the impetus for all this. That's what started you, Because that shit

was really scary some of it was terrifying the Tia and Tamara episode what tell you don't remember the Tia and Tamara episode I'm old

tell it tell it Tia and Tamara episode by the way I as I was leaving the house I caught a little bit of the real

of what which is the view with Tia oh yes yes yes I think maybe it's Tamara it's Tamara and um Lonani love is on it yes um and one of the chicks from 3lw yeah uh but the lady the ladies were very emotional

about oprah they all agree she shouldn't be president but they were moved and tamera had a tearful moment okay um but it it's this is very much a tamera Day because you bring up Are You Afraid of the Dark? And their episode was this. And this will fuck with me forever. So Tamara is living her life. And she has this best friend. And something happens where they go to this pet store. And they get a lizard. And they bring the lizard home.

Now, the lizard's like a magic lizard. Oh, Lord. So the lizard somehow becomes a clone of Tamara. Oh, jeez. And it's played by Tia. Of course. So Tia, who's this lizard, starts living the life of Tamara. And she's evil.

And the best friend is like, something's weird. I don't know. Somehow. What happened to Tamara, the lizard? She becomes the lizard. But Tamara, or she gets like locked up or something Tamara is then

becomes a person again somehow so there's this scene where Tia and Tamara are both in the world but really there's only one of them of course

so now they're both out there and it's this horrifying scene where the best friend sees both of them and she's like freaked out and it's somehow been established that if you spray one of them with water they will turn back into the lizard and she's like freaked out and it's somehow been established

that if you spray one of them with water they will turn back into the lizard and that will like that's the curse I love it I love a simple

elemental exactly and you know they only had like 12 minutes to set this up because they had to split it up

they had to get to it and they world build in 12 minutes all this stuff the lizard the water and I remember it to this day

so that's how you know did it win a Pulitzer prize i don't know what do they win for this shit uh fucking peabody uh send the peabody over post haste um but fucking so then the best friend is like looking from one of them to the other and she's like it's me your friend and like no she's like it's me i know this thing about you and it's like no remember this and like one of them says something that really connects and she sprays the other one with water and that she turns into the lizard so then they hug and they're like oh my god oh my god then the last scene in the episode it was actually the wrong girl tia going over to the lizard and being like well like says well, see you fucking later.

Throws her down a well. I was going to say like, this whole time, I was like, can you even? I was like, this isn't that scary. Oh no,

bitch. That's the thing. It fucks with your head. The fear is in the injustice. The fear is in the injustice. Especially as a child, right? Because you want it to all, you want to have the scare

and what usually I like is like, but then at the end, it's all sorted. Right? Like the evil is defeated in some capacity. No way. Not this. That is, that'll shake you to your core. That's what I'm saying.

It's existentially terrifying. It's irresponsible for kids to be watching it. What was the, because I would read Goosebumps at the appropriate age and be like, this isn't fucking scary. Yeah. Did you genuinely find it scary? And was Fear Street, I never read Fear Street. No, it was never really scary because it's funny because when I'm reading something,

the scarier that it's up to my mind to conjure, right? Yes. How evil or how gross or how whatever something is. Right, right, right. And so I never really took it there. But what I've always liked about that kind of stuff, because it's usually this mystery. Right. Who's doing it?

Why are they doing it? Right. And that engagement, I mean, the same reason why i love true crime now and like all my procedurals and stuff yeah yeah i am distracted enough like it for me is like the closest i can kind of come to being like out of my head sure you know to being like oh what's gonna happen here well you know what's gonna happen next and i think that's what i liked about it i wasn't terrified but i was definitely engrossed. I needed to know. It was a portal into some distressing situation

that you could just like dip your toe in and then opt out whenever you wanted. Yeah. Because, okay, you know what? And I will say the- That was very astute. Okay, whatever. The-

You're gonna get that copay bow in. Come on, astute. My therapy. The TV show with whenever they would do Night of the Living Dummy and Slappy. Those were actually really fucking terrifying. They were really scary. They were really scary. I'm terrified.

Like dummies. The movie I remember, I saw, you know what it was too. I saw as a kid, maybe six years old, seven years old. They took me to see Child's Play. Oh, no thanks. Not like just took me. It was like we were all, everyone was going and it was like bring the kid. No fucking thanks.

They were just like, let's bring Naomi to child support No Truly terrified for life Oh And my cousins didn't help Because they totally terrified me My cousin and I We both had this toy

Where you put a Like cassette tape in her back And the doll would talk So to speak No So my Again it was a cassette tape So my cousin

They go Her name was Susie Scribbles Was like the actual doll Susie Scribbles Naomi you gotta come talk to Susie. I go over there and they've recorded. Hi, Naomi. I'm Susie, Chucky's sister.

Want to play? I hid in the bathroom for an hour. No. Yes, no, that's 100%. Terrifying. Because that was irresponsible of them. Evil. Evil.

There's an evil in their spirits. An evil in their spirits. I feel with Chucky, like, it really shouldn't be scary, but it fucking is, okay? It is. Like, it. When everyone was like, did you see it? Yep. Okay.

See, I would rather die than see it. I am on record. Like, when you tell me that the kid's gonna die i don't want kids dead i know i know i know i don't oh the lights went out this hasn't happened in a certain while see honestly i don't want kids dead and the lights went out for the listeners at home the lights went out in the studio and now i will go hide in the bathroom for hours that's crazy um but they're back but here's the thing. Like, did you, you liked this new It?

I thought it was fine. Again, knowing what was gonna come. Right. You know what I mean? Like, so I was more like, oh, that's interesting.

I do think clowns are scary. I find clowns creepy. But there is, as I just said, dipping your toe, there's something about, you know, I get to see this,

but I also get to leave for 90 minutes, right, and go about my business. And that's very, I think, part of it. It's almost kind of a personal dare. Stare at it, stare at it, stare at it.

No. 90 minutes is too long. Think of it as a theme park ride. Think of it as a... And here's the thing. Here's the weird thing. I'll do any theme park ride. I've been skydiving. I've done this. And I will go to haunted houses. I kind of am obsessed. But I have the physical ability to

run away yeah on that shit yeah whereas in a movie I don't know I I feel like it's just it's maybe it's the sound I don't know what it is it's probably sound I did go through a horror movie kick when I was like 14, like right after Saw came out. Right. And it was like, Saw, The Grudge. Okay. Right prior to that was The Ring. Yep.

God, the remake of, I've talked about this before, but that remake of The Hills Have Eyes was truly disturbing. No, because it's actually really fucked up. Because it's fucked up because there's like sexual crime. Oh, no, there's rape in it. Yeah. Like, I mean, a mutant rapes Claire from Lost. And I was like, this is insane.

Not acceptable. No, not okay. I know. I mean, and that's, what you could get away with at that time was like, and that was when I was like 14, 15 seeing movies, and I remember the one movie that came out,

it was like the seventh one in a row. Also, remember that movie with Dakota Fanning and Robert De Niro, Hide and Seek? Oh God, yes. Fuck that movie. They threw Elizabeth Shue out a window. The one that I was like, I'm never going again, was when Michael

Keaton was in a low point in his career, and he did the movie White Noise. Remember the movie White Noise? I do remember White Noise. And the whole scary thing about it was just that White Noise would come on the television. Fuck that. But see, that's what I mean.

I don't like, if it's just like, we're in a house and something's creepy, like paranormal activity, like the house. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm kind of like,

I get it. It's like, you can make it in a weekend. Right. But I don't. It doesn't do that. What were the circumstances you described?

I just, the way you worded that was beautiful was, we're living, we're going about our lives, and someone wants to kill us. Someone comes into our lives and decides that we should die. That's like, I don't know, that's like fun. It's fun, it's crazy, it's funky.

Now, so if you are, you and Jubu are hanging out, like what's the genre of movie you guys, or television show, what are you guys going to? It's not horror. It's not horror. He doesn't want to do horror sometimes I can try to like make him watch it but then he'll just like play Candy Crush on his phone during the movie I'm like you have to be here you have to be here

that's self care to be detached a little bit to be detached a little bit um we it's funny when we can never find anything when we're like let's just watch something. We'll put on some sort of Netflix standup special. It's always like, okay, that's like if it's like if all this fails, but then so much of

our shows, like for instance, we're really excited. I was like, baskets is coming back. Oh, I love baskets. We haven't talked about that show. Louis looks amazing in the promos. On the posters, Louis Anderson. Oh, Louis. Glamorous.

We were going to say, don't you speak of Louis. Oh, no, no, no. posters, Louis Anderson. Oh, Louis. Glamorous. We were going to say, don't you speak of Louis. Oh, no, no, no. I meant Louis Anderson. I know. Well, and also just him being in the promos where I'm like, yes,

because this show is Mama Baskets, okay? Mama Baskets is the heart and the soul. That is the character I am most invested in. It's such a weird show. I think it's so interesting

that it hasn't gotten like a Globe nom because it's weird and the foreign press loves weird. for some stuff, right? Louis Anderson was last season maybe yeah the very first season I forget what it was it was on before I don't know if it was an Emmy I don't know if it was something too yeah I'm sure he has but there's something I'm like baskets is just so weird uh-huh

um but I love that show I love you know catastrophe is one of my favorites. A lot of like, I think I like comedies with gravitas. Yeah. You know what? That's my thing. You know what I feel like? I feel like I'm shouting into like a well or something that's not an expression. Shouting in the well, trying to get that lizard to wake back up. Tamara!

Wait, before I forget, Tamara shared an amazing stuffing recipe on Thanksgiving, and I made it, and it was delicious. It was a delicious stuffing. A savory? Savory stuffing with meat, with sausage, but also with little bits of apple.

It was sweet and savory. It was delicious. I just want to say, now that we're talking about Tamara and Tia, I have to say, shout out to Sister Sister. It's actually rule number 101 of culture. Jack K is queen. Mary. And just in case. Jack K apparently is, she loves to block on Twitter for no good reason.

Really? She has no time. She has no time for your toxicity. Friend of the show, Matt Bellassai, if you're listening. No good reason. Really? She has no time. She has no time for your toxicity. Friend of the show, Matt Bellassai, if you're listening, he has a great podcast called Unhappy Hour. His pinned tweet is a screenshot of Jackie Henry's blocking him for no reason. She's like, I don't know what I did.

Like, I love you. Oh, no. Is it Jackie Harry or Jackie Henry? Harry. Jackie Harry. Sorry. But, yeah. No, she's queen. Jackie is queen.

She is the best. She took lines that were not laugh lines and made them laugh lines like a pro. She's the queen of an inflection to turn something. That's what it is. That's what it is, right? It's the way she says it. It's not. It's literally just the tone.

I mean, did y'all see 227? So when I said Mary, were you familiar? Okay, I know where it comes from but I have never seen 227. I know it's the birthplace of Regina King. Yes. She was born on the set. Born on the set of 227 and her

first role. Naomi, I think I just need to ask you what is it like writing for Andrea? Is it, I mean, Ms. Martin. Ms. Martin. Ms. Martin.

On Great News. I mean, just talk about the show. I mean, like, it's. Well, no, I mean, I think it's, it was great in general. You know, it's, obviously, I came in on season two, so they already had a little bit of, not a little bit, a system in place. It was interesting to... You know, Andrea's so fucking good. She's a real actress.

But at the same time, the style, I think, is so different. That 30-rack, that kind of jokey-jokey, super fast pace, it was so interesting because, okay, I'll tell you my one Andrea Martin story. So there's one thing where her character jokey super fast paced it was so interesting because okay i'll tell you my one andrew martin stewart so there's like one thing where her character cut well it's more like being on set like the one time i was on set so i co-wrote episode 12 and so i was on set doing that episode

and uh her character is like wearing she has a chico's jacket because chico's is her character's life um and she's like trying to get her jacket off so she's kind of like pumping her shoulders and the line was like oh no I think I'm twerking. And then we're like on set and then literally the director's like Naomi we need you. And I was like what? What do you need? What can I do? How can I help? And he goes can you show

Andrea what twerking is? Oh. So my Andrea Martin story is that I had to show my Andrea Martin story is that I had to show Legend Andrea Martin How to twerk Which I need everyone to know that I can't do

So it was more like I was like more of a booty pop However free you want to be But it was so crazy how she was like Okay okay She takes it all seriously She's gonna be like okay how do I do this? And I was like, both of you went above and beyond in that scenario.

Yeah, that's insane. For situations that were, shall we say, foisted upon you by circumstance. Yeah, by quote unquote circumstance. That's insane. To be a fly on the wall for that, I would love it. That would have been, yeah. It was so crazy. But I was like, she's so cool and down. She's like, okay, I would, to be a fly on the wall for that, I would love it. That would have been, yeah. It was so crazy. But I was like, she is so, like, cool and down.

You know, she's like, okay, I'll do it. Whatever it is. You know, she'll be like, explain to me at reference. Or she'll be like, sounds crazy. Or like, I'm into it. Like, she was just so game at all times. Now, I have to ask a question. Nicole Richie?

That's the question. Question mark? question Nicole Richie that's the question question mark I had no idea she was even an actress didn't know it was a thing and then apparently everyone tells me she's great on the show she's wonderful I'm gonna say something that is you might in advance want to edit it out come on here I auditioned for the Nicole Richie part. Isn't that so funny? Keep it. Keep it. Why not?

But again, no callbacks. It's fine. But no, she is, first of all, super fucking nice and regular. Yeah, that's great to hear. Which I think you never, at least me, I never expect whenever someone grows up in kind of LA rich and famous life that you just assume, okay, you're not connected to reality. Super nice, really fondly. Always nailed it. You know, and also,

there's such a, for that character, there's such a clear cadence, right? So you can kind of, you know, when it comes to writing that character, it's actually not easy, but kind of easier

because you know what her thing is going to be. You know how she's going to say it. It's that tone. You know what I mean? Yeah. Now was the performance that she gives us different than the take that you had on it? Like super different? Oh my god completely. Yeah. Completely. From Naomi to Nicole Richie

we take a jump. We take it hugely. And that's the beauty of acting. That's the beauty of acting. It's about choices. It's about choices. It's about taking choices. Like making choices. And what you can bring as's about taking choices. Like, making choices. And what you can bring as a Nicole Richie. Yeah. Do you like to audition?

I don't like auditioning, but I like working. Yeah, so here's the thing. Naomi extended a beautiful invitation for pilot season stuff next time we're in L.A. Hopefully, maybe it'll be around that time. Oh, that's beautiful. Naomi and I will be put up for the same parts. We're hoping it will be quirky bespectacled others. Quirky bespectacled other type.

I get officious and well-dressed assistant. Oh! A lot of us. And we know what officious and well-dressed means. It means gay. Listeners of Las Colteristas, it means gay. Fastidious, that's a fun word to say.

You're like, ah, this is a good code word. I get sassy. Sassy is something they also give us too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And actually,

someone actually said this to me recently about the word sassy because I thought like sassy was a word like that gay people could get pissed off for being described as and now also like black women, it's being described as sassy was a word like that gay people could get pissed off for being described as and now also like black women i know it's being described as sassy i talked to a white woman recently who was like i hate the word sassy i feel like it's meant to target black women i think it i mean uh white women i think it's i think it's i think it's to say overweight i was like that's so funny i never

thought of sassy as being that but you know what what I think it is? I think it's just that everyone universally hates the word sassy. And no one wants to be called sassy. Because I think sassy, we actually threw it in the troll bowl as an I don't think so honey topic. Somebody pulled the word sassy. But I think sassy means annoying. It means bothersome. It means too much. And I don't think anyone's taking the word sassy and is like, I'm a little sassy.

Right. No one's describing themselves. Exactly. No one's ever self-described as sassy. No. No one. And if you do, get out of here. Get out of here.

Get out. It's like you're not to be trusted. If you describe yourself as sassy, you're going to steal my identity. I don't believe it. Yeah. I don't believe it. Imagine telling a straight man, you're sassy my identity. I don't believe it. Imagine telling a straight man, you're sassy.

They wouldn't take it well either. They'd be like, what? The reason they wouldn't take it well is because of all the weight that it carries with mostly the way it's been hurdled at black women or the way it's been hurdled at queer people. I just think, yeah,

the reason we don't like it is the same reason you wouldn't like it. It was the name of a teen magazine in the 90s. That tells you who Sassy is for. Literally Sassy, I only want to hear it in one way and it's as the cat that Sally Field plays in Homeward Bound.

Her name is Sassy and I think it's fine. I was going to say the name of a horse. And Roy Moore's horse. Exactly. Wait, what? Only a horse. He has a horse named Sassy? He rode to the polls on his horse named Sassy.

No, that's too much. You had to follow the whole cycle, honey. I did not. No, he had a horse named Sassy. That's too much. Everyone's tweets that night were like, we hope Sassy survives or is free. Sassy already got her own account. Sassy got more followers than all of us combined.

You know. Sassy's doing well. Sassy's okay. I hope Sassy's doing well. Sassy's doing great. Is the horse? This is maybe going to offend some sensitive viewers of Los Coturistas. Viewers, viewers.

I mean, listeners. I always do that. I always, because podcasts are a visual medium. Is it true the thing of horses getting made to glue? I mean, what is it, the hooves? It's like the cartilage. Cop producer Will Knott, yes. Will, what is it?

Tell us, educate us. It's the hooves. And it's not just horses. It's mostly like beef and sheep and other animals that are raised for meat. They process every part of the animal. They use the hooves to produce gelatin. That's horrible. And the Elmer's glue cow is literally because it's made of cows.

I don't know about the history of that marketing material, but gelatin is animal. It's gelatin. Why is gelatin in marshmallows? As a thickening agent, I would say. Of course I get the purpose.

But I think that we have so much technology and so many advances that you're going to take a little treat on top of my cocoa and put animal bones in it. Got to be an easier way. I don't think so, honey. I don't think so, honey. I don't think so, honey. Marshmallows that have gelatin. You know what? This is a perfect segue into I don't think so, honey. I don't think so, honey. Marshmallows that have gelatin. You know what?

This is a perfect segue into I don't think so, honey. Wow. This has flown by. This has flown by. I could keep doing this for hours and hours. But here's the thing. Here's the real gag is that we have never heard an I don't think so, honey from Naomi. I feel that this was what you were made to do, and we've had three live shows now.

Now, are you in New York now for the foreseeable future? No, no, no. I'm back. I go to LA tomorrow. Don't wait to do your show on the 13th at 7 p.m. at Nerd Melt. Yes. Couples therapy. But this is historic.

This is Naomi's first documentary. I'm like nervous because it's kind of like I don't think so, honey, about most things. Right. And so it's almost like what is the thing? Oh, you have your pick. I feel like it's going to be divisive, but I think every good I Don't Think So Honey should be. Absolutely. Should be divisive.

The ones that get people talking, the ones that people remember, are the divisive ones. I will say this. We've been fielding a lot of requests lately to come to California and do an I Don't Think So Honey live show. Yes. Now, I don't know if we're ready to announce anything yet, but I think we are ready to tease that maybe we will be coming to California this summer. Okay.

And that's all we're going to say about that. We would love to come out sooner, but maybe Northern California can look forward to us being out there. Oh, she's getting more specific. Maybe come June, July. Okay. Okay, Northern California? That's for you.

My people locked up in Alcatraz. A dog whistle that's a scream. I'm just saying, I love a good tease. I love a good tease. I love how you always hear it here first. You know what I'm saying? I love that it's a whisper campaign. You don't hear it in the trades.

We beat the trades to us. We break things here like you wouldn't believe. Now, I actually want to break from tradition and have Bowen go first. If that's okay. Not tradition. I feel like this is pretty common. It is tradition. I feel like I regularly go first.

I feel like I regularly go first. Well, okay. I have a specific one and I'm just going to lean into it. All right. So this is Bo and Yang's I Don't Think So, Honey, and his time will begin now. I Don't Think So, Honey, the highways leading from New York City to New Rochelle, bitch. I had to travail the perilous highways, and there were three close calls this morning. Oh my gosh. Honey, I had a

5 a.m. call. Bitch, I was on set and I get to say this. Work. Because I was putting myself out there for the art to contribute to entertainment. Yes. And I was doing the noble thing of going to set

early in the morning and being driven by a van that met me at Union Square at 5 in the morning and the driver God bless him, Michael, he was great he was also a PA on set he drove the best he could but the roads were icy and the highways

the signage is trash honey, so New Rochelle get your municipal board or whatever the fuck to fix this because this is acceptable. Lives are at stake. I don't think so, honey. The highway's leading to New Rochelle. That's one minute. You know what?

I committed to it. It's specific. No, it was wonderful. I love it. And now we get a glimpse into your life as an actor who wakes up early. You know what? Call times. Call times. And that's part early. You know what? Call times. Call times.

And that's part of my life in 2018 is call times. I love it. I love it. Make it manifest. Residents of New Rochelle, it's a lovely township.

Township? Township. Is it a town? Township. Lovely hamlet ship. But I want real change to be affected. Yeah.

Oprah's inspiring me. I might not have the same power or the same audience or the same reach, but I can make a change. Okay, if you're the comptroller of New Rochelle and you're listening right now, I need you to contact Bonia. I don't think so. I don't need the comptroller. I bet her name is Sheila. I bet she's powerful, but she's not doing enough. I hope it's a woman named Daniel.

Daniel. Oh, my God. I have, wait, did I just fucking forget it? No, I didn't. I didn't. I have it. So this will be- Because I was rotating between three.

I'll tell you the other two I was going to do. I was going to do I Don't Think So Honey, Dark Shadows, Dark Whatever. Who knows? Which would have been great because you would have gotten the title wrong. I was going to say I Don't Think So Honey, you have to wake up so early in the morning to watch the Oscar nominations. But for us, it's 8.30. So early. And so I've settled on a third one and I'm ready.

Okay, so this is Matt Rogers' I don't think so, honey. And his time starts now. I don't think so, honey, when there's a major nomination announcement and it's so hard to find the fucking full list, honey. Why is it so fucking hard to find the PDF with all the nominations, bitch? How come when I was voting today for SAG, I had to search. I had to

proverbially wade through the waters to find out who was actually nominated for these movies. I went to the SAG website, honey. Screenactorsguild.com. That is not what it is, but it probably is. I went there and I literally had to wade through.

I couldn't find it. It's so hard. You can't Google search SAG nominations because then you get everyone's fucking take. Oh. I don't want to hear fucking Laurie Metcalf's reacts to her fucking Austin Film Critics Award. I want to know who's nominated. Also, I don't think so, honey, when the Screen Actors Guild nominations come out and they don't nominate the whole cast.

Get out. Betty Gabriel does not benefit from them winning if they win. Meanwhile, that is the definition of an ensemble moment. I don't think so, honey. Screen Actors Guild nominations, why are you so hard to find? Why are you so weird? And that's one minute and six seconds. Wade in the water.

Wade in the water. you so weird and that's one minute and six seconds well listen it's that my i don't think so many was one thing but i am shocked and dismayed to find out that you don't benefit from a cast being nominated at the screen actress guild for the ensemble unless you are on your own title card. Yes, if you share a title card with someone else you are not qualified. Therefore, in the cast of Get Out, Lil Rel does not get a nomination. He's a huge part of the movie. He's the definition of a supporting actor.

And Betty Gabriel does not get a nomination. If they win, they don't win. Betty deserved all the nominations. Her moment in that movie, the no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And being able, like, that's what I mean by an ask. So, of an actor. You know what I mean? Like, that is crazy.

Like, to have in the script, silently she breaks down but says and keeps her tone of voice in one way. That's, like yeah fucking crazy and the fact that I go to the Screen Actors Guild and they get a nomination and this is the awards body that literally

fucking Orange is the New Black wins Orange is the New Black wins hundreds of people are on stage but Get Out you're not even nominating people who are major turning points

in the script yeah oh god it's weird it's bizarre it's a stupid rule you're right I really quickly I want to say Mike was watching Get Out my roommate was watching In the script? Yeah. Oh, God. Yeah. It's weird. It's bizarre. It's a stupid rule. You're right.

I really quickly, I want to say, because Mike was watching it out. My roommate was watching it out last night, too. And the part where Betty is in the car with him. Yeah. Yes. And wakes up. And I didn't realize, but the thing she says is, you ruined my house. Yeah. Not, like, you killed my family.

Yeah. And so my roommate was like, oh, oh, the grandma is such a shitty person. She doesn't care about her family. The house is ruined. The house is ruined. Because you know that she's been like, I've had to front as the housekeeper for weeks. She's been keeping it house. She's been keeping it house.

Listen, he wasn't not out there chopping the wood. Exactly. He was still doing the work. You're right. But they had the bodies. They had the bodies. Exactly. They were doing that work. He was still doing the work. You're right, but they had the bodies. They had the bodies. That's so disturbing. Listen,

I have the body to do menial tasks. It doesn't mean I want to do menial tasks. There you go. You're right. You're right. It's a hole in the script. Jordan! Jordan,

I have qualms. I have more qualms than I thought. Okay, this is it. But I'm happy I said that. That's a real, I don't think so, honey,

of my life. And you wanted the PDF, honey. Okay, great. I don't think so honey Of my life And you wanted the PDF honey Okay great I don't know Like I was You know I was like Preparing emotionally

And then last week We were supposed to meet During the bomb cyclone Yes this is a rescheduled Appointment And so now I'm like I don't even know What I have today

Naomi We can give you We can give you All the time you need If you want to stall A little bit But I think You won't disappoint

What would you do If you had to stall right now? What would you say? I would say that there is not someone in whom I believe in more than Naomi. That's how you'd stall? I feel like I was in essence giving her a moment to think

and you've now taken focus by saying you put her on this pedestal. I'm putting pressure on her. I think so. And I've put her on this pedestal. I'm putting pressure on her. I think so, honey. I think I have a... I don't think so, honey.

Okay, here we go. This is Naomi McParagon's I Don't Think So, Honey. Her time starts now. I don't think so, honey. There being one black woman who's supposed to do everything, honey. Oh, okay. We done decided Oprah's a goddamn mogul. She keepin' Stedman happy.

She keepin' Gayle paid. And you want her to be president I don't think so honey let her sit down honey okay we have to stop making it be like if you are a black woman you got to get to be 125 percent and then you got to be everything for everybody I don't think so honey to people who are now saying Oprah everybody. I don't think so, honey. To people who are now saying Oprah Beyonce 2020, I don't think so, honey. Come on. Okay?

You can cut a record and be angry at your man for cheating. That don't mean you can deal with some foreign policy. I don't think so, honey. Deciding that if you have excellence in one arena, you get excellence in all the arenas. I don't think so, honey. To not letting more people at the table. Yes, honey.

Last three seconds, I'm gonna say, I don't think so, honey, to y'all losing y'all damn minds about Oprah wearing glasses. And that's one minute. Hasn't she always worn glasses? Intermittently.

She goes on journey. She goes back and forth. She goes back and forth. That was one for the books because it was... True. It talked about what was happening in the culture. Absolutely. But also just expanded broadly beyond that about

the way people think. Because it's always yet another day in America and a black woman does all the work. It's just, my friend... I will say this, though. Like, it was crazy that the two speeches people have lost their minds about were Michelle Obama and then Oprah. Within two years of each other. Yeah.

And just the expectation that was foisted upon them. Well, exactly. After merely giving a speech and doing well, which you want to do. Right. Like, the goal wasn't to go out there and, like, perform at a six. And, like, throw the speech and be like, I don't want them to want me to run. The thing is, I don't want them to want me to be president, so I'm going to throw this one. Well, because you would think, like, okay, I have a degree.

Yeah. I've been on television for over 20 years. You know what? I know what's up. I know how to speak and use words. Yeah. And yet she put them all together,

had a couple of good hand motions and you said, run this world. Let the woman rest, honey. I want to, at the end of that, don't make her president.

Let her take off her spank. Yes. Okay. Let her take off her spank. She looked, she looked, she looked amazing. The thing that sucks

is now it's like, immediately, because of the culture that we're in right now, it's like, the backlash has started against Oprah. It's like like she didn't do any fucking thing like the fact that like sometimes that's what makes me worry about like next election it's like we're over here like

arguing she should be president she shouldn't be president you shouldn't think that about her you it becomes such a fight and then meanwhile like the nazis are storming the streets yeah and it's kind of like it's like and they you know what i kind of like, it's like, and they, you know what I mean? It's like, what do you get out of calling? People were posting this thing of, like, this headline of, like, Oprah is actually a neoliberal capitalist machine. And I was like, okay, like, cool it. It puts a target on her back in a way that I hate.

Exactly. Like, now you know you have Trump, like, saying something. Yeah. You're giving them the thing. Well, he hasn't tweeted about, oh, and I think that says something to her power. Well, he actually has tweeted in the past that he adores Oprah. And in fact, one time he even said he would consider her as a running mate. In the 90s when he was still like being like jokingly like I'm going to be president one day.

Right. Yeah. So I think he actually maybe hasn't said anything because there is some actual fear there. And I say that not to stoke the flames of everyone who really wants to run for president because I think it's not. We have to also think about what she wants, people. She's a person. She's living a life.

Okay. Don't saddle her with this responsibility. This woman, have you seen the frigging taco party she has? Yeah, yeah, really. That's a full-time job right there. It's like, let's get another Legends ball together. Let's put that on the top of the list. The amount of vegetables she picks in one go is just...

But she has to hold them up to the cameras, honey, and that is a feat. That's a physical feat. Oh, my God. Okay, well, that was beautiful. That was gorgeous. That was amazing. I mean, we hit on the I mean We hit on the culture We hit on the culture

And this is Topical culture This was one of The most topical episodes One of the best episodes With one of the best guests And that's what you get When you have a cable queen

Cable queen Cable queens baby And you remain a cable queen To this day Naturally Yes But she writes for network Right

But the thing is I was deciding I just got Verizon Fios Oh is I was deciding I just got Verizon Fios and I was deciding whether I was gonna get cable like big time cable

and I was like I'm gonna get it you gotta have it it's your job I'm young I'm interested you have to be part of culture

you have to I need Bravo naturally do you watch Housewives you know I don't do Housewives. Neither did I until last week. Oh, no.

Now I'm in. And now you're in D? It's too much. I listen to Erika Jayne on the way here. I listen to her music. What is that, New York? It's Beverly Hills. Beverly Hills.

Okay, the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. I watch New York and Beverly Hills. Those are the two I think you need. I mean, Money Can't Buy Your Class is one of the greatest songs of our time. So that I know. Unfortunately, it will be sometime before new music from the Countess. I mean, Money Can't Buy Your Class is one of the greatest songs of our time. So like that I know. Unfortunately, it will be sometime before new music from The Countess. I know. She's going through

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