Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - “Caravaggio Boy” (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Episode Date: November 8, 2023

Cultcha Catsup. Matt and a mustachioed Bowen are gagged by season 3, episode 9 of The Morning Show (Reese?! Julianna?!?!) and preview the finale of the greatest series of all time. Matt gives another ...Vegas Update about the highlights of being mesmerized by the mesmers (pole dancers) at the Usher residency and going to BravoCon. They swoon over Seth Meyers, talk ruehmerrsssss about the rest of the RHOSLC season, preview Timothee’s upcoming SNL hosting gig and get into the season premiere of the Real Housewives of Potomac. All this, gettin up in drags, grinding at middle school dances, Ciara, “The Sphere”, meeting Jennifer Hudson, watching horror movies around other people on planes, and a dragging of whoever dared called a noise complaint on Bowen Yang’s housewarming/birthday party! Bonus episodes are available early for subscribers to Big Money Players Diamond on Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/lasculturistas.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up. Think you've seen it all? I don't think you've been a good friend to me lately. We're friends like that, who needs enemies? You ain't seen nothing yet. Cheers to being Germanic. With the Real Housewives of Potomac.
Starting point is 00:00:11 Oh my gosh, can I take this in? It's gonna be amazing. New York City. Everyone is a gossip. No one gets a happier life. Salt Lake City. We don't wear costumes, we wear fashion. And below deck sailing out.
Starting point is 00:00:21 You broke the rules and now you're here getting upset. Watch all new seasons on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. Let's have a real good time. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. I was a desperate delusional dreamer.
Starting point is 00:00:48 Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy, Elianian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida.
Starting point is 00:01:09 And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba? Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home, and he wanted to take his son with him. Or stay with his relatives in Miami? Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody, this is Matt. And my album, Have You Heard of Christmas, is out now. Stream it wherever you stream things. And also pre-order the vinyl at www.mattrodgersofficial.com where there's tons of merch and also tickets for my tour.
Starting point is 00:01:51 I'm going to be in London November 13th to 18th at the Soho Theater. Please come see me. And then I start in Philly on December 1st. And I'm all over North America until December 23rd. All right. Thanks. Look, man. Oh, I see.
Starting point is 00:02:10 Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas.
Starting point is 00:02:17 Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. It's 9 a.m. Girl, this is the morning show. This is the morning show. Yeah. I feel like I'm Bradley. I love the morning show yeah i feel like i'm bradley i'm chris right now you feel like chris honey i feel like chris every day of my life the finale is tomorrow i can't wait what's gonna happen with chris you know i guess she she got the jennifer aniston reese for the spoon treatment where she disappeared for a full two episodes or whatever
Starting point is 00:02:44 and then came back with a vengeance. I love that it's the Jennifer Aniston Reese Witherspoon treatment. I'm referring to the fact that they just won't be in episodes. Sorry, the Jennifer Aniston Reese Witherspoon treatment is that you get to not be in every episode and you also get paid an EP salary. Exactly, exactly. Here's what I'll say.
Starting point is 00:03:01 I like seeing that the girls were finally in a scene together and to see if they had some conflict and this last episode by the way talk about this episode and by the way so when i say this last episode i mean 309 the ninth episode because now as of this episode being out the finale will be out so look for reactions for that Yeah. But the ninth episode of the show, I texted Bo and I'm like, I don't know what happened, but this show suddenly became a show prestige TV in the way that it always thinks it is sometimes.
Starting point is 00:03:36 But this, this episode was such a knockdown drag out. Like you said, it finally works. I guess I always feel it works, but this all of a sudden was like every scene had energy motion you realize everything they've been putting in there like it's working out suddenly i found myself eating my hat i think these third graders are in college
Starting point is 00:03:57 these third graders are in college and they know that you need to get to episode nine in a season for it to really pick up. The second to last episode needs to finally be the thing that makes you go, yes. The second to last episode needs to go hard. Wait, I'm also just noticing right now, you have, I'm sitting here next to Tom Selleck. Oh, yeah. The way that your mustache is, this is the most I've ever seen it grow in. It's so, I describe it as a paltry mustache. It's paltry, girl.
Starting point is 00:04:27 But I think I'm kind of into it. I think it's a vibe. But it has to go for professional reasons. I just, I had the week off. I had the week off and I went, let me just try this girl. Yeah. Well, it's definitely more grown in than I've ever seen it. I just, I can't do.
Starting point is 00:04:41 You really step into the mustache. Yeeshesh i need to get back there i think mustache for christmas what's is there any is i think i'm gonna start growing my stuff out so maybe this is a little bit of a spoiler but i got put into drag by trixie mattel for an upcoming youtube collaboration that we're doing this did i show you you didn't show me you said that you did a collab with Trixie. I'm going to show you me in drag right now. I'm not going to say exactly
Starting point is 00:05:09 what the fantasy we were going for was, but I am going to say that I went over to Trixie's YouTube studio and basically, girl, that's why I'm showing Bowen. Oh, I want to say
Starting point is 00:05:22 what this is so badly. I mean, I can't. We can say. No, no, no. It's such a spoiler. No, this is main Dermat. Can you believe? That is 10 out of 10.
Starting point is 00:05:33 A plus. I am a gog. A ghast. Not a ghast. I'm a gog. He's a ghast and a gog. Yeah. I had the best time with Trixie, but here's the thing about drag.
Starting point is 00:05:44 And I don't know why I thought I could kind of get away with this, but I was like, I can go over there and have some stubble. And I go over to Trixie's studio, she looks at me and she goes, well, girl, you need to shave. And I was like, no, but can't you, you know? She goes, can I what? Yeah, what did you think she could do?
Starting point is 00:05:59 I don't know. I just thought like, I thought on Drag Race, like sometimes like you do see some of the girls with stubble and then they go in their fantasy and they beat their face and like it kind of disappears. I think that as I'm saying this. I think they just don't show them shaving
Starting point is 00:06:11 because they need to be over a sink. You know what I mean? Girl, this is how you know my co-host is in the television industry. He knows the movie magic. Girl, don't even. Speaking of TV magic, what do you think made it work in three Oh nine of the morning?
Starting point is 00:06:28 I'm going to tell you this every single scene. It was like, well, first of all, the hat is coming off to Reese. You think Reese? Listen, my takeaway,
Starting point is 00:06:39 I'm sorry. I love Reese down, but my takeaway was finally Juliana gets to eat. Well was finally, Juliana gets to eat. Well, they gave Juliana something to do. Yes. And what I've realized is like, wow. So basically like, okay, so to give a little bit of what's going on, we famously know Bradley Jackson went to the insurrection to report on the ground
Starting point is 00:07:01 and she wore a hat over her gorgeous blonde naturally blonde i can't say enough naturally blonde bradley jackson hair even though she's a redhead she finds her brother attacking a police officer she just so happens to be rolling her iphone on it and they have a moment where she basically has caught her brother as an insurrectionist a violent insurrectionist assaulting a police officer certainly he, he should go to prison, but she deletes the footage, thereby invalidating her as a journalist, basically.
Starting point is 00:07:31 So, Corey, a.k.a. Billy Crudup, who is, to this day, giving one of the craziest performances on television. Well, he's so, like, I love him. I love that his choice for this character is
Starting point is 00:07:43 just caricature of TV, exactly. Yeah. Like, talking in a way that is even more... Like, I thought Succession became a parody of itself sort of by the end. Mm-hmm. The way that these characters talked and these, like, you know, oh, you're doing a vulture stab. Like, they would just make up terms,
Starting point is 00:08:00 like, business terms that you'd never heard. It was an animal. Like, the business terms on Succession were always animal verb. Yes. Bear hug,ion were always animal verb, bear hug, vulture stab, whatever. It's a lion crawl. Yeah, lion crawl, whatever. Sorry to go on that tangent, but now Billy, I think, is so grotesquely,
Starting point is 00:08:16 cartoonishly a TV exec, evil businessman guy. And I kind of think that it works. It finally works. It's working more and more. This is an Emmy winning performance. Yes. He is playing network exec or head of this company,
Starting point is 00:08:32 if it were Patrick Bateman. Yes. And that is really perfect. But in this episode, he fully sort of like starts to break down. Greta Lee is popping off. So basically, anyway, what you need to know is that Billy Crudup, a.k.a. Patrick Bateman, Psycho Network exec, is in love with Bradley Jackson, and he
Starting point is 00:08:50 allowed them to delete this footage. So he said, I don't ever want to fucking talk about this again. Somehow Julianna Margulies gets to typing and she finds out the whole thing that Bradley has done this. The way she finds out I think is actually well
Starting point is 00:09:06 done because they put it together in a way that made sense. It calls back to the leak from earlier in the season. Yes. It's actually all sequenced perfectly. She finds out in an organic way that I think, you know what they did? Well, they did interface. They did like person
Starting point is 00:09:21 using technology. Yeah. Oh, this is what you've been looking for like her searching through the texts and the emails between bradley and cory to her finding out that how was that the insurrection i'm like and that was actually well and that bradley i was like that was actually really well done it was very well done the discovery and i know what you're saying so bowen has famously been like I don't like the way interaction with social media, texting, it's not reflected correctly in media. This you're saying was maybe the first time
Starting point is 00:09:53 in television history you've seen someone interact with, first of all, the iMessage app on a MacBook. Which everyone is doing. Everyone is texting on computers. It's actually real culture number is doing everyone is texting on computers it's actually real culture number 14 everyone is texting on computers i mean and then juliana and reese have this scene wonderful scene where reese comes home to juliana they are lesbian lovers and juliana basically puts it to her like i can no longer respect respect you. I don't love you anymore. How do you sit in that chair?
Starting point is 00:10:26 How do you sit in that chair? And Reese has this moment where she goes to hug Juliana Margulies and Juliana goes, stay away from me. And Reese goes, okay.
Starting point is 00:10:38 And then she realizes that Juliana's right and she calms herself down with a second okay and it sounds like this. Okay. It got mad. and I was just like this is so present and dropped in and Julianna looks at Reese and mind you these characters have had they've been together on the show but they've had almost no chemistry Julianna goes I thought we'd grow old together and i believed i believed it a hundred percent
Starting point is 00:11:05 there was no question in my mind i was watching the downfall of television's greatest couple i don't even know what to say thousand percent television's greatest couple that did not seem at all believable until its final moment you don't know what you got till it's gone period joni mitch Mitchell was right. And to speak of our Joni Mitchell, they are never, ever getting back together. Oh, my God. And so that was just one scene of so many.
Starting point is 00:11:34 Oh, then really spoiler alert for 309. And I can't tell you, like, if you're going to get into it, you got to get into it because the finale is out now. I am so excited for whatever this is going to be because i heard it's so crazy and honestly what were the words that were said to you i heard craziest moment in television history are you serious well okay so i mean it will not be the case but i did hear that it's the craziest thing the show has ever done which i also heard on the ground in
Starting point is 00:12:03 bravo con yes oh my god about about whatever happens at the end of salt lake city housewives which I also heard on the ground in BravoCon. Yes. Oh my God. About whatever happens at the end of Salt Lake City Housewives. Right. And you had alluded to this over text. And I'm really curious. We can't really discuss it on this show. I don't know because literally, so someone goes,
Starting point is 00:12:18 someone at BravoCon, it was, which I'll get into because it was truly like more Disney World than Disney World to be honest with you. I was only there for two hours and most of it I was working, but I was looking around and I was like, God, I need to come back here and just walk around. I didn't get the chance to, but they did an
Starting point is 00:12:36 amazing job. Like if you love Bravo, walking around and just seeing like the museums of props from like everything that they've done. But on the ground, like people were talking about, they're like, do you know what happens at the end of Salt Lake?
Starting point is 00:12:49 Do you know what happens at the end of Salt Lake? This was like scuttlebutt at the con. It has to do with whatever phone call it is that Heather gets. Right. And I think I can surmise that it has to do with Monica. Monica Garcia. Monica Garcia, the legend.
Starting point is 00:13:03 Something about the mom. I don't know if it's the mom. I don't know if it has to do with Monica. Monica Garcia. Monica Garcia, the legend. Something about the mom. I don't know if it's the mom. I don't know if it has to do with Jen Shah, but it's something that affects all of them in a way that it's like- Makes Heather go, are you serious? She goes, how could she do this to us?
Starting point is 00:13:17 Go, go, go away. No, guys, guys, guys, guys. But apparently it's that insane. But just to loop it back bradley jackson resigns from the uba evening news and she breaks down while she's resigning on television and no one knows why she's doing it and i said you better propel us into the finale meanwhile john ham is obviously the most evil person in the world j Jennifer Aniston is what? Digmatized. We are seeing digmatization.
Starting point is 00:13:48 Like we've never seen it on screen before. I don't think I've seen digmatization since Adam and Hannah on Girls. We need to, at some point, perform the scene, which is Bradley Jackson telling Alex Levy that she's concerned about whether or not she can be objective about Jon Hamm. Because Jennifer Aniston's like, well, basically... Okay, so again, this is the craziest shit that's ever gone on.
Starting point is 00:14:11 Jon Hamm, who's just bought UBA, wants to now sell the company. And he's basically taking Alex as his partner and starting a new network. So he goes, bring whoever you want, bring Bradley. So she goes you have to come with me to this new company and bradley jackson's energy is basically like um okay like for sure yeah but like are you sure you trust this guy i heard he's bad news he's evil alex and then jennifer aniston does her whole thing. Oh, oh, wow. Oh, okay. Oh, so you, oh, I see.
Starting point is 00:14:50 Now, you're unbelievable. And Bradley's like, Alex, like, what? Like, what are you doing? Like, why are you being like this? Like, can you trust him? Are you stigmatized? And they have this whole, like, sort of low stakes, but high stakes, like, fight. It was amazing. It's Elva. Yes's... It was amazing. It's Elphaba.
Starting point is 00:15:06 Yes! Why can't you just stay calm for once? Oh my god! And we are literally about to see one of them you think about like this character you know what they did the third graders really grew up and went to college i'm telling you because they said at the beginning of the year what is the central tenant of these characters and how can we challenge them and bradley jackson's central tenant is i am first and foremost a journalist i am a truth teller and for her to be confronted with the fact that when she was put in a position calls her yes yeah kelly clarkson called bradley jackson a truth teller because remember kelly Kelly Clarkson's also a character on The Morning Show as herself.
Starting point is 00:15:47 In this timeline, Kelly Clarkson is a Kelly Clarkson-level artist. Yeah. And I think that we're to believe that if someone like Kelly Clarkson were to find out that Bradley Jackson had betrayed her values this much, she'd be like, really? Yeah. Wait, I loved her. She'd be like, really? Yeah. Wait, I loved her. She'd be like,
Starting point is 00:16:07 wait, y'all. I thought that she was one of those truth tellers. Y'all y'all. It was wild because I was like, wow, they're actually like testing both of these protagonists in a way that like is in line with who they are. And like this show ended up like the way that everything they set up ended up really
Starting point is 00:16:25 it works it actually really plays it plays and you're saying alex's thing is that like from the beginning like episode one bradley jackson's thing is i'm a truth teller i'm a journalist yes episode one like what do we think alex's thing is well i think alex has represented someone that has like been so entrenched in problematic media and structures and men yes and and not really handling the boundaries of those things well she's been protected by structures but she's also like violated like every single yes appropriate quote-unquote thing where like she fucks mitch she is fucking Jon Hamm now yeah okay I think what we're seeing with Alex is like we're seeing
Starting point is 00:17:10 a narcissist like truly be confronted with the fact that you can't just have everything you want like and it is possible for you to actually get got by someone like this because like the Jon Hamm and Jennifer Addison thing Jon Hamm by the way is playing the most triggering man on television.
Starting point is 00:17:26 He's such a blatant egomaniac narcissist. And to watch her get dicked so good. And remember, she laid on top of his butt. They were pussy to butt, which is intimate. Cat on tortoise. Cat tortoise. And so now we're seeing really the ramifications of that. When you put your pussy
Starting point is 00:17:45 on a man on a man's butt you are mated for life avatar yes and i think that even with cory my note with cory as a character was like you never see this man lose no this man needs to take one l and then finally the crow is roosting. What's the saying? I think the chickens have come back to roost. The chickens saying thank you. But I love thinking about what the crow would do if she were to roost. The crow can roost. Can I say, I was in Vegas and I was having
Starting point is 00:18:16 an outdoor brunch. There was this one crow a-crowing. There was a crow in Vegas? I can't even explain. That's a horror movie. I can't even explain how loud and disgusting this crow was being and I'm trying to sit there and have some hair of the dog which everyone needs in Vegas
Starting point is 00:18:32 Desperado Oh Manicato Oh Manicato We'll be right back. New York City. Everyone is a gossip. No one gets a happier life. Salt Lake City. We don't wear pastels, we wear fashion. And below deck sailing. You broke the rules. And now you're here getting upset. Watch all new seasons on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. Let's have a real fun time.
Starting point is 00:19:15 Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate delusional dreamer and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer.
Starting point is 00:19:45 I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work.
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Starting point is 00:21:20 Here's how I want to talk about Vegas. Just ask questions. Okay. What do you want to know? What? I can answer anything. What was Usher giving?
Starting point is 00:21:30 Usher, the energy was giving everyone in that crowd would have willfully gotten an STD from him. That's so funny that he has out-Magic Mike's Magic Mike. Magic Mike was found so dead. Because let me tell you something magic Mike needs like all the hottest men in the world on stage or but they're all like sorry to say I mean they're all talented wonderful beautiful men they're all like just guys yeah they're they're like guys who are like Vegas hot you know what I mean it's like they have like let's call it like uh men's health cover body yeah looking all the same in the face what i'll say about usher is he is really the only male object of desire on
Starting point is 00:22:13 stage yeah he looks great he sounds unbelievable his performance is amazing at one point he comes out on roller skates wow and does like four numbers in a row. Skates. And thank you for making that distinction because we all know that blades are much easier. Definitely. He's on roller skates on the stage. It was so insane. Then all of his backup dancers were like doing choreo on roller skates.
Starting point is 00:22:34 But what I really want to say is the exotic dancers that he has in the show, the female performers. I saw a pole dancer on your story. She was mesmerizing. Let me tell you something. It was Olympic what these women were doing. They are mesmers. Mesmer. Mesmer is a
Starting point is 00:22:51 great word to say. Mesmer. I was mesmerized. Yes. By the mesmers. Yes. That's actually RealCulture number 90. I was mesmerized by the mesmers at Usher's Vegas residency. Think about this. Usher has seen a whole generation of people mature into their sexual adulthoods.
Starting point is 00:23:12 Yeah. And now the crow has come to roost. The crow was roosting down. Well, now it's like, we're all these grown-ass people now who were horny for usher when we were in middle school yes and he still looks incredible and now we're all like i'm gonna pay top dollar to see this man yes gyrate and sing and croon whatever and have his little dancers running
Starting point is 00:23:39 around and i'm getting off it was get off culture for sure. There was really two highlights. One was at one point, Usher comes out into the audience and he's doing the thing where he's improvising singing and basically to the beat and he would see people in the crowd and he'd be like,
Starting point is 00:23:59 girl, you got them titties. You got them big titties. And then he goes and does like the I'm a suck them titties. You got them big titties. And then he goes and does like the I'm a suck your titties noise. And I'm like, so we are in an era right now where we are not even pretending that the end game isn't
Starting point is 00:24:15 Usher sucks my titties. No one cares. No. I mean, no one takes issue with that. No, every single person that was there was like, what I hope happens is Usher from the stage goes, I see you up there in the pink dress with them titties. I'm going to suck them.
Starting point is 00:24:34 And everyone's screaming in approval. And we are so lit. And by the way, all the bops. I'm so caught up. Oh my God. Caught up. Does he do Climax? Yes.
Starting point is 00:24:49 He did everything. But I would say the highlight, and we've talked about it on the show. Burn. Oh my God. Burn is an important song. Burn. Does he do You Got It Bad? Babe, imagine he did not.
Starting point is 00:25:03 Every single song you'd want to hear. And you say that you want it bad? Babe, imagine he did not. Every single song you'd want to hear. And you say that you want it. And you really know everything used to matter. Don't matter no more. You ignore my key all the time. I think I'm in your key. No,
Starting point is 00:25:16 you fully blasted past my key. We need to talk. I'm not happy. What key did you just do? Because I'm a little hoarse today and this morning, you know,
Starting point is 00:25:24 at 10 a.m., 9.42 a.m. This is what I said, I think. This is what I did. When you say that you want it and you really know everything used to matter don't matter no more. But you went up. Okay, so can I just be real?
Starting point is 00:25:38 Sometimes I'm off. No, it's not that you're off. You were doing what you needed to do there for your voice. Thank you. I just sometimes feel like I can's not that you're off. You were doing what you needed to do there for your voice. Thank you. I just sometimes feel like... I can't help but sing in the original key. Girl, you better... Been there, done it, but I'm out.
Starting point is 00:25:56 It's so good. Wait, but Burn was so... Burn is an incredible song. And then when Yeah started... I mean... I think everybody fucked. True or false? I'm ready for this one. Every middle school dance,
Starting point is 00:26:10 that was the song that everyone was waiting for. I was at home burning CDs where all 10 tracks were Yeah by Usher, Ying Ying Twins, Ludacris. Yeah. And I was like, I need to get
Starting point is 00:26:25 off books so that i can amaze everyone in the gymnasium and did you i know you did no i feel like because i didn't amaze anybody because we all knew the words we all knew every single word you know it will be powerful to go back in time in the delorean that we talked about in last week's episode and i would love to go back in time and see you just running train on girls in middle school. You and girls grinding at a middle school dance to Usher. I would love that. I was grinding down.
Starting point is 00:26:54 Grinding culture! I was so good at grinding. I was dropping it to the floor. Holy shit. I was really throwing my ass onto linoleum or whatever oh yeah linoleum that was that was really i remember we would do the thing where it was like we would have like a social like that's what they call like a middle school social and at iceland middle school
Starting point is 00:27:17 and what they would do was they would split the gym so you know how those gyms or high school gyms yes they would have the ability to like make it so that it was like two rooms it had a flex wall a flex wall thank you for that and um one side would be sports so like people playing knockout and basketball and the other side would be some of the horniest 14 year olds in the no not 12 year olds in the country rubbing genitals on each other during a dance craze known as grinding and um the songs would be like literally little john screaming about like you know like fuck her now i mean all this culture like yep we all of course we all remember the crunk and b craze number one ciara was the princess of crunk and b crunk and and B. Ciara, really, what do we think?
Starting point is 00:28:07 I'm so happy. What do we think? What do we think about Ciara? First of all, Ciara. Ciara. I'm sorry. The princess is here. The princess is here.
Starting point is 00:28:19 Ciara. Bring that back. First of all, what do I think? I think great talent great talent great talent I mean like also she's got bops to
Starting point is 00:28:29 which one do I love um oh oh that one that one wait I'm sorry My Goodies is one of the greatest
Starting point is 00:28:42 of all time I believe it's on the Great Global Songbook My Goodies I think it is I'm shocked I Goodies is one of the greatest of all time I believe it's on the Great Global Songbook My Goodies I think it is I'm shocked I think Sierra is very well represented on the
Starting point is 00:28:50 Great Global Songbook but by the way we're coming up on 400 as you said Seth Meyers you were fabulous thank you both Henry Melcher
Starting point is 00:28:58 producer segment producer Seth Meyers and Seth himself texted me Matt was so funny Seth texted you? Seth texted me
Starting point is 00:29:04 Seth and I you know we'll text sometimes. I have to tell you, first of all. One of the best men. One of the great men. One of the great men. And actually, is it next week or the week after? So, I know the week after he's going to be on this podcast. He will be a guest on Lost Culture East Fest.
Starting point is 00:29:18 And I will say the vibe, immaculate. Just when you go there, it's like everyone is so happy. Their staff has all been there for a really long time and just really great. And he couldn't, he's a consummate host. Great dude.
Starting point is 00:29:35 Super funny, as we all know. But like, it's also like, just an icon. And I use this word in a way that might feel off. Classy. Classy. The classiest man.
Starting point is 00:29:49 Yeah. I mean, like just whatever happened to class. Whatever happened to fair breeding. Good manners. And pure ethics. Nice manners. Okay. I need to get back.
Starting point is 00:30:03 We need to get back on Vegas. Okay. Yeah. So that Adele. Adele. The other. We need to get back on Vegas. Okay, yeah. Adele we've talked about before. The other thing I wanted to say about Usher, the one other thing I wanted to say, is these dancers. Yeah. There was at one point a 20-foot high pole
Starting point is 00:30:16 and one of these women just only with her thighs climbed all the way up to the- Two stories? It was Bowen and then she dropped the tower of terror and caught herself on the pole. It was, I'm telling you, they train for this. Where do they like practice this? Cause I don't think there's a studio, a two story tall dance studio. Maybe there is.
Starting point is 00:30:38 I think this is just, I mean, first of all, never forget hustlers. We all have a documentary on this, and it's Hustlers starring Jennifer Lopez. But my thing was, I was just like, wherever they learned it, I'm so happy they're doing it on the world stage. Oh, yeah. And I hope we see it at the Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:30:55 The sphere, I'm like, okay. If the sphere had a pole that led all the way up to the top, Yeah. and people could dance on it. Catch me there. Catch me there. Catch me there. 100%. I don't,
Starting point is 00:31:06 anytime I see a photo of the sphere, of someone at the sphere, I have to stop and go, I don't know about this. Having been there a couple times, like,
Starting point is 00:31:16 hearing how excited everyone is about it, like, everyone in Vegas is talking about the sphere. I was like, I gotta go in there. And I did not get the chance to
Starting point is 00:31:23 because we had a packed schedule. I'm telling you, like, it was it was first of all I went from the airport to Usher because Delta flopped this time missed I think not I don't miss anything I just walked in like and it was like Usher's going on so the energy was high then I had BravoCon like
Starting point is 00:31:40 the next day and then Adele that night so I didn't fit in the sphere also I think it's you too right now the second that the sphere books someone that I want So I didn't fit in the sphere. Also, I think it's you too right now. The second that the sphere books someone that I want to see even a little bit, I want to go. It seems insane. But just too insane.
Starting point is 00:31:55 Yeah. I don't know. I need to be convinced. I would think that you as someone who like What are you going to say? This isn't entirely fair, but I feel like whenever there's a new advancement in technology, you're always like engaging. Not anymore. Or it's just a bridge too far. I've hit
Starting point is 00:32:11 such a plateau with it. God, I remember Gizmodo. Anyway, I was like, yes, but now that we're in this web 3.0 shit, like I'm like, lose my number. Lose my number because AI might be coming.
Starting point is 00:32:29 Well, it's that. It's like, God, I had a driver, a lovely driver, but he was just maybe the 20th person in my life to explain blockchain to me. I haven't had that happen. I was trying to keep up.
Starting point is 00:32:42 I was like, oh yeah, Ethereum. And I was like, well,, Ethereum. Uh-huh. And I was like, well, what about SBF? And whatever. And he was just trying to explain it to me. And he was really enthused about it. And I was happy for him. I'm out. Listen.
Starting point is 00:32:56 Take me back to... If Gaga does the sphere, you're out? Yeah. Yeah. I don't even... Not even Gaga can get me to the sphere. You are a total liar. No. You're like Bradley Yeah. Yeah, I don't even... Not even Gaga can get me to disappear. You are a total liar. No!
Starting point is 00:33:07 I want to start an Amish community that is 2014 technology only. I've never met anyone less. I've never met anyone who would do worse in an Amish community than you.
Starting point is 00:33:24 I'm saying it's not an Amish community. It's a community that has technology that only goes up to 2014. Okay. That's what I said. So what is that like? In 2014, what was thine? The iPhone 6. We all still kind of like had our iPods around.
Starting point is 00:33:40 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't like a relic. Right, right, right. Oh my God. Anyway, quickly, we've talked about adele in vegas before talk about adele adele was a fabulous she she goes i'm so sick i'm sorry she then gave the most flawless vocal performance i've ever heard she was like my chest is on fire and if i if i even speak i'm gonna die but i'm emotional i'm so emotional it's emotional for me
Starting point is 00:34:02 because i want to do the last show but I've got a shit voice tonight and she's going off about how sick she is she goes I'm going to be turning the mic around so y'all have to sing for me almost the whole show I'm like yeah right she turns out the most stunning vocal maybe even better than last time
Starting point is 00:34:18 wow it was amazing and then the Bravo kind of at all I've never been so starstruck. It must've been like everywhere you turned. It was like, Oh my God, you,
Starting point is 00:34:31 you, you, it was truly surreal. Like, I think I was more nervous at Bravo con than I was when we've been to like the Emmys and the critics choice awards. Like, because turning around and seeing Kristen Stewart
Starting point is 00:34:45 is one thing. Turning around and seeing Dolores. Dorit. I went up to Dorit. I had to. Oh my god, tell me. I was with Riri Chaney. First she goes, because Garcelle comes in. Garcelle was giving... Well, I was too scared. Garcelle was giving
Starting point is 00:35:02 top dog energy. Garcelle came in, went to a corner and was like surrounded by people. Her son Oliver was there and she had like a whole thing and she was sitting down talking to someone. And I was like, I am not going to interrupt her. Even though we've met a couple of times,
Starting point is 00:35:17 she's been on this podcast. Like, I had a whole in with her because I was there with Riri who was in, I can't say what show, but Garcelle was in a show with Riri. And I had a whole opening where I was like, this is Riri, like da da da. And Riri was like, can we please go over and say hi to Garcelle? And I was like, I have to tell you something. I'm actually too intimidated.
Starting point is 00:35:37 So now you understand my timidness around the housewives. Yes. Like, I've always been too scared to go up to Meredith, even though we've been in the same space several times. I saw Whitney at Schucht. She walked past me. I was too scared. I was with Sudi, so she was like, say hi to her. I was like, no way. Even though it's Whitney. Whitney Rose at Schucht
Starting point is 00:35:56 would have been the only vibe for me. Rinna said hi to me at Sweeney Todd, and that was, she initiated it, and then it was a lovely interaction, and I actually stan Lisa Rinna. I mean you have to stand Lisa Rinna like since Veronica Mars yes I'm on record as a Lisa Rinna stan um but it was really surreal because like you're walking around and like you're seeing all these like characters that are also soap characters but it's like because they are real
Starting point is 00:36:25 they're walking around doing it so it's like being at disney world and watching mickey come in but mickey never takes off the hood you know what i'm saying it's not just mickey it's it's goofy donald pluto it was daisy yes all of them it's everybody walking around being like, hey. People I was too scared to go up to. Garcelle, Alexia, and Marisol could not do it. Giselle Bryant did come in the room, and I turned to Rhea, and I said, we have to go. I was like, I can't. What are you afraid of? What is she going to do?
Starting point is 00:36:58 Fucking be inappropriate and like abuse, traumatize her children in front of you? No. Fucking you. No! Fucking loser. No! Hate her. Okay, Bowen is Bowen's thing with Giselle. Am I wrong or am I wrong? Her thing everyone's like, Giselle is so funny, why do you hate her? She's never told a joke in her life.
Starting point is 00:37:20 She's never said a funny thing. She's just drawn out her words and then ends up with a little flourish i'm gonna push back on you about this no i think one of the one of the positive things about giselle is i think that at least she gives punch to i kind of like karen can give you punch and says the funniest shit you've ever heard i mean we, we are, of course, Team Karen. But, like, I would say that... So, we'll get into Potomac, but I just wanted to wrap it up by saying
Starting point is 00:37:49 I met, like, Lisa Barlow, who was a legend. Whitney, I loved hanging out with. Your picture with Lisa was huge. I saw John Barlow, who's 6'9", and way hot in person. Justin Rose was handsome in person, which I don't
Starting point is 00:38:06 think comes across on the show. Very handsome. Oh, I saw Jackie Goldschneider. It's always great to see her. Jackie's lovely in person. Love Jackie. She's adorable. I saw Melissa Gorga and Rachel Fuda and their husbands. They were going off in the casino. I saw
Starting point is 00:38:22 them right after Adele, actually. Your old friends. My pals. My favorite person that I met, Shannon Stubbs Boudoir. Huge fan of I Love That For You. She came up and was so nice. She was like, I just want to say,
Starting point is 00:38:34 I'm such a huge fan of I Love That For You. You know, I used to sell stuff on QVC. And I was like, you know, you're one of Molly's favorites. She goes, I run into her every now and then. And I'm always so starstruck when I see her I was like well she is starstruck
Starting point is 00:38:47 around you Shannon Snormspedor and Shannon goes I just like love how much you're on Watch What Happens Live and I just think I'm such a fan and she was so nice and I felt so bad because the last time I was on Watch What Happens Live you called her mentally unwell I didn't say mentally
Starting point is 00:39:03 unwell I said shannon is not well i'm sorry i take it and i looked at her and i said you look amazing right and she goes well it's the dui diet oh and i i went cross-eyed and i was like i'm so happy you seem to be doing better she goes i am doing a lot better so this is the thing it's like this is the air these women breathe which is people knowing about the darkest details of their personal lives yeah and so i couldn't help but wonder like does shannon storms bedore is she like used to this by now like used to people being like how are you doing i think it's been long enough that she understands that they all get that it's a good
Starting point is 00:39:42 bad and ugly moment sure and when she sees you on tv going she's unwell i imagine that she kind of she sees that she nods and goes yeah yeah i think she probably was watching that season and was clearly she's she was not well right but now it's like she's doing so much better and i was like you're so lovely and she goes i really am nice and i was like i adore you tamra was a lot of fun she was really being tamra okay i was like you are a 10 out of 10 and then i did the roni panel and it was so much fun all those women are great i didn't even need to be won over by them but so i won you over i liked her a lot okay and i also get the sense that they all like each other a lot. Like the vibes were really good. And I was really happy to not moderate a panel that had like an actual,
Starting point is 00:40:29 a lot of drama. Yeah. Because almost every other panel was like, like Robin Dixon got booed. She got booed. And that was like about, and can I say something about the booing? Let's not.
Starting point is 00:40:40 I don't think we need to boo. And like, have you ever booed? Have you ever booed in your life? Never. Never. It's actually such a low classless fucking thing. Cause here's the deal.
Starting point is 00:40:51 Like even Robin, who I've had fun dragging on the show. I don't hate her. I would never boo Giselle. Here's the thing. It's like, I take major issue with the way that they've treated Wendy and Candace. And just the way that they are on the show.
Starting point is 00:41:05 But even if I were to turn around and see Robin Dixon, I wouldn't want her to think like, Oh, that's Matt Rogers who quote unquote hates me. It's like, I watched the show. They get it when we'll get into Potomac. Cause there's a lot to say,
Starting point is 00:41:17 but like, it was very clear to me a, how positive the Bravo con atmosphere was, especially it was really like these people were so excited to see all these women and the other Bravo people, but it didn't feel like a bad vibe, which I think sometimes online, the social media around the show and the horror feel like bad vibes.
Starting point is 00:41:39 And I don't want to contribute to bad vibes anymore, especially after having been around them. Cause it really was a positive atmosphere. So I'll continue to have fun dragging them in fun ways, but my thing going forward is I'm just going to check myself when it feels like I'm being a little too much.
Starting point is 00:41:55 Oh, that's nice. That being said, that's interesting because I feel like some dispatches from the ground were that the vibe is a little like wrestling. It's a little bit like WWE, like for sure. I'm stepping out like arms raised like, oh, you know, like that kind of thing. It gives that a little bit, which is no knock on wrestling culture.
Starting point is 00:42:16 But like that feels weird. It makes sense that in a live extemporaneous setting. Yeah, that that happens, but it is like a little bizarre. It was people reacting, people responding to like what basically is like a reunion on stage with an audience. That is like a little disorienting.
Starting point is 00:42:37 And that's why I'm like really happy. I had a cast that was all like liking each other. Gentle Lions wasn't there, which was unfortunate. But I will say, having been there on stage, and I know they really want her to come back, and I hope she comes back too,
Starting point is 00:42:53 she is not essential to the success of that show. Not essential. Anyone being like, oh, Jenna Lyons is the show, I think she's a great part of the show, but you don't need her for the show. I think a diet Prada or something did like a whole feature on her,
Starting point is 00:43:10 like how she like changed reality TV. And I'm like, I want to be like, Oh, certainly not. No, she didn't. No,
Starting point is 00:43:15 no. Like, stop talking about her. Like, where was this about Tiffany Pollard? Thank you. By the way, we should just say,
Starting point is 00:43:22 I guess Tiffany Pollard got voted out of the House of Villains. Has been evicted. She's been evicted from the House of Villains, but not before calling into Omarosa. Manny Galt, Newman, Stallworth, whatever. We can't really repeat what she said, but just go online and see, I mean, what Tiffany And I sleep better knowing that you're not in the White House. I just want to say that you are a sucking, guzzling Republican.
Starting point is 00:43:50 And I sleep better at night knowing that you are not in the White House. I mean... And please bleep out that whole thing. It's Omarosa. It's like, this woman has to be able to receive this kind of poison. And I think she did. She was just like, this woman has to be able to receive this kind of poison. And I think she did.
Starting point is 00:44:07 She was just like, and you see, ladies and gentlemen, this is why we're evicting. And I was just like, wow. Wow. Thank God, like, that show, which I haven't watched, I have to, capitalized on having both of them there. I know. I mean, that is like, yeah. I mean, what a major moment to have Omarosa and New York in the same space.
Starting point is 00:44:28 I fell off Survivor, but people at work were talking about this. But I hear the characters are really like coming into their own, but it is still, I think the theme this season
Starting point is 00:44:37 was dweebs. Dweebs on a beach. Dweebs on a beach. And like, they're such dweebs. I will say a lot of people have been reaching out to say, hey,
Starting point is 00:44:47 actually, we thought the season wasn't going to give and it did end up. It's now like, it's crystallized. I hear it's crystallizing and it's giving.
Starting point is 00:44:55 Someone at work is saying that this is her first season and she loves it and she goes, it's really interesting. And she's like, now that she's caught up,
Starting point is 00:45:02 she's like, going back and dipping into I gave her your syllabus. But she goes, it's really interesting to watch this season knowing that these are all dweebs. That they're not playing, none of them are playing the game well because now I'm seeing what not to do
Starting point is 00:45:16 first. And then she was like, I made the mistake of going back to watch Heroes and Villains and it's a little over my head because I'm like, they're all, the gameplay is too sophisticated on Heroes and my head because I'm like they're all the gameplay is too sophisticated on heroes and villains and I'm missing like the nuance and I think it's interesting that she is watching this season
Starting point is 00:45:32 first watching people who are actively bad at this yeah whenever I'm suggesting people watch the show I try to start them in a place where like either there's a good mix of gameplay like you have people that are bad and people that are really good which is why i would never say watch an all-star season first because
Starting point is 00:45:50 like i'm saying heroes versus villains if that's your first survivor season that's like going to bravo con and having never seen a housewives it's just a bunch of characters like being at 10 yeah then like all of a sudden there's like so much crazy gameplay going on and like you just wouldn't get why it's cool that parvati whips out two immunity idols and saves people right if you didn't know yes but yeah i mean so i'll get into it maybe even today on the plane oh i'll watch survivor but they're 90 minutes episodes yeah that's too long. I'm out. That's what got me off of I had a brief thing with The Bachelor, Bachelorette
Starting point is 00:46:30 years ago. And now with Golden Bachelor, they're just like, I think most of them are like an hour. Yeah. But there was that time in Bachelor Nation where it was like two hour episodes. And I was like, how do you all do this? I watched the Rachel Lindsay season, which by the way, Rachel was at. Oh, yeah, she was there. She was there. She was doing the
Starting point is 00:46:45 Potomac panel and I was like, that is not a position I would ever want to be in. The vibes are always just so tense around that cast. What did you think of the first episode? I thought there was too much Robin and I texted you
Starting point is 00:47:01 and our friends. I was like, we're in for a frustrating season if we're going to focus. And it seems like from the trailer, we are focused on Robin a lot of it. And like,
Starting point is 00:47:11 I'm not even necessarily excited for whatever moment she like breaks down in that van and she goes, do you know what I'm talking about? But she goes, fuck all y'all.
Starting point is 00:47:17 I didn't do nothing to you guys. I didn't do nothing to you guys. What am I the villain? Sobbing on the street. I just think this is a woman who for years has like no actual sense of herself. And it's really tough to watch.
Starting point is 00:47:30 Like she doesn't know who she is. And like watching this episode is really tough, especially at the end where she talks to Giselle and Ashley and Therese. And her whole thing is like apathy is literally, I don't care. Like care. She drops a full octave mid syllable in her tagline this season yeah the taglines this season really rough except for candace's the rest of them don't make any sense especially karen's i'm sorry i love we love karen but robin's like she's fully
Starting point is 00:48:01 referencing a lizzo lyric from like six years ago. I'm like, and then I realized, and I told you and Joel this, I was like, I used to love all of these women. Yeah. And now I can't stand two thirds of them. Because it's early. I am not already like,
Starting point is 00:48:16 like I get where you're at, but my thing is like, I actually, in that last long scene where Giselle, Cherise, and Ashley are confronting Robin about whether or not she's okay and the want of it all, etc. I actually felt I was Team Robin in that scene because I was just like, she's telling you what her truth is, which is that if her husband has cheated on her, she doesn't care. She wants it to work. So that's the reality that you have to accept. And Giselle kept pushing it to the point where Robin was like,
Starting point is 00:48:50 what do you want me to do? Giselle like file for divorce. Is that what you want? She goes, no, I want you to be happy. I'm like, yeah,
Starting point is 00:48:56 you think she'd be happier if she wasn't with him. Right, right, right. So what are you saying? You want this, her marriage to be over. And she's like,
Starting point is 00:49:03 I'm checking in with you. I'm checking in with you. I'm like, not really. I mean, like like you're saying like it's a fuck one moment like one is the reason you're unhappy that that that that and i kind of got robin in that scene because it's like i get this woman is exhausted she's getting played by him or if she's not then it's too exhausting to explain and when she said that her joy had been stolen, that was a bummer for me. I was like, uh, you know, I'm still in the position of I'm trying yet again
Starting point is 00:49:35 at the top of the season to go in with an open mind and we'll see if they fuck it up. I'm just watching for Wendy and Candace and Karen. And I'm curious about NECA. I'm already allergic to NECA because I don't like this. She said that Wendy's mother does voodoo. I mean, but
Starting point is 00:49:51 that's like, that is a big, I just can admire a big swing like that when you're coming in fresh. The trailer being like, Wendy being like, my mother worships our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. And then NECA goes, during the day, at night, she brings the voodoo doll out. She says something like, you know, like, it was, I'm excited for, I guess, that.
Starting point is 00:50:14 But I'm not going to be pro-NECA because don't come for Wendy. It's don't come for Wendy. But I, with the Robin of it all, her saying that her joy had been stolen is a bummer, but she's still misattributing it to like the discourse around the marriage and not one. I think that's what Giselle was like taking issue with. I agree that Giselle was pushing in a way that is like Giselle inappropriate. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:41 I have had it with inappropriate people in general and all in all sectors you know what i'm talking about some people especially there's one person online who has become the poster person for inappropriateness oh oh oh bleep that bleep that please but but yeah i mean it's all too fucking it's all too fucking much it It's all too fucking much. It's certainly gone too far. Okay, so when I watched this premiere and I compared it to the Miami, we were cheering, hooping, hollering. You literally said when we were watching the Miami premiere, a triumph. And this is my thing. Like, I need to feel something powerful when it comes to a Housewives franchise now.
Starting point is 00:51:23 Salt Lake is delivering that. Miami is delivering that. Beverly Hills is yet to. Housewives franchise now. Salt Lake is delivering that. Miami is delivering that. Beverly Hills is yet to. But I have hope. It'll happen. It'll happen. I'm sure Potomac will. But Miami, I was so happy to see all of these women.
Starting point is 00:51:36 I was overjoyed. We cheered when Adriana came on. Yes, we did. We cheered when Marisol came on. I'm so happy to hear that Gertie is cancer-free as of BravoCon. Amazing. Amazing news. The vibes are good. The vibes are frivolous. did we cheered when marisol came on i'm so happy to hear that gertie is cancer free as a bravo amazing news like the vibes are good the vibes are frivolous i mean it is that is melodrama gertie sweeping in front of larsa in this premiere going i'm gonna need you i'm gonna need you
Starting point is 00:51:57 it's like be there for me i'm gonna need you this is amazing i was like this because it's so truthful and yet it's so big. Celestium was saying this about Miami. Either Celeste or Sarah Sherman. They go, the women on Miami dress sexy
Starting point is 00:52:15 just for themselves. Yeah. That's a really good way of putting it. It's not even like Atlanta or Potomac or Beverly Hills. Well, no, Beverly Hills maybe.
Starting point is 00:52:24 Beverly Hills, it's not about sexy. It's about glamour. It's about glamour and labels. Yeah, it's about stunting. Miami, it's like, because it's Miami culture. They just want to look hot. There's a lot of personal style. Yes.
Starting point is 00:52:36 That's something I think is really fun. Personal and functional. Like they're in a hot city. You know what I mean? I did go up to Lisa Hochstein. And I said, Lisa, I love you. She literally turns over her shoulder and goes,
Starting point is 00:52:48 thanks. That's a good Lisa. I love that she paid me a sword of dust. It was great. I loved it. Wow. And I'm trying to think of other people. She was too busy FaceTuning herself.
Starting point is 00:53:01 She was talking to Jodi. Oh, Jodi was there. She was the most shoulderless man in the universe. He has no shoulders, but he has a lot of heart. And I'm so happy for them both. No, he seems like a great guy. I'm just saying, like, the silhouette is jarring at first. And I'm still thinking about it, but he seems lovely. I bet he's swinging.
Starting point is 00:53:19 Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Swinging, slinging. Swinging, slinging, all those things. This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up. Think you've seen it all? I don't think you've been a good friend to me lately.
Starting point is 00:53:36 We're friends like that. Who needs enemies? You ain't seen nothing yet. Cheers to being Germanic. With the Real Housewives of Potomac. Oh my gosh, can I take this in? It's going to be amazing. New York City. Everyone is a gossip. No's going to be amazing. New York City.
Starting point is 00:53:46 Everyone is a gossip. No one gets a happier life. Salt Lake City. We don't wear pastels, we wear fashion. And below deck sailing. You broke the rules and now you're here getting upset. Watch all new seasons on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. Let's have a real good time. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose.
Starting point is 00:54:02 My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate delusional dreamer and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. desperate, delusional dreamer. And the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer.
Starting point is 00:54:28 Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything
Starting point is 00:54:45 but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. I'm Cheryl Swoops, WNBA champ, three-time Olympian and basketball hall of famer. I'm a mom and I'm a woman. I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby, journalist, sports reporter, basketball analyst, a wife, and I'm also a woman. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. See, athlete or not, we all know it takes a lot as women to be at the top of our game.
Starting point is 00:55:27 We want to share those stories about balancing work and relationships, motherhood, career shifts, you know, just all the s*** we go through. Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I, well, we have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.
Starting point is 00:56:04 My girl has a flight to catch. partner of iHeartWomen Sports. My girl has a flight to catch. I got a flight to catch, so I'm wondering, is there anything that we really need to discuss? The album's out. Well, thank you for saying that. My album is out. Thank you all for streaming it. One of my songs is doing really well.
Starting point is 00:56:20 Three of your songs are doing really well. A few of them are doing really well, but one of them got put on a special Christmas playlist, a couple of them are doing really well, but one of them got put on a special Christmas playlist, a couple of them, and they made me the face of the playlist. But my song called I Don't Need It To Be Christmas At All, which was the one that we put on the album as the last track just because it was more earnest in general
Starting point is 00:56:37 and we just wanted to have fun with it. It's doing great, but I'm so happy with the way everyone's been receiving the album. Phenomenal. You sound so good. great, but I'm so happy with the way everyone's been receiving the album. It is phenomenal. You sound so good. The production. Bravo. Featuring Bo and Yang. People love that track. I think, and I'm using the mic that I use to record that. Don't do this.
Starting point is 00:56:56 I was eating up my bowels towards the end. Everyone's thrilled with your performance. I'm listening to it and I go, you can't hear the last syllable I say in every line. And that's my fault. It's not your fault. And'm listening to it. I go, you can't hear the last syllable I say in every line. And that's my fault. It's not your fault. And it's also not true.
Starting point is 00:57:09 Well, I'll have a chance to- And don't be looking, don't be telling me that you don't think things sound correct on my album. Well, I'm talking about just me.
Starting point is 00:57:16 No. Because you were a part of my album. You were a featured artist on my album. I'm saying to you- If we win album of the year, you win a Grammy too. Is that true?
Starting point is 00:57:22 No, I don't think so. I'm saying to you that I think that there will be a chance for me to redeem myself. Girl, maybe, uh, down the road.
Starting point is 00:57:34 Live performance. Live performance. Um, yeah, thank you everyone. And I will say I'm at Vulture Fest this weekend on Saturday. I'm going to be in London the 13th to the 18th. And then the tour tickets are still on sale.
Starting point is 00:57:47 On sale. On sale. It's getting to the point where like my brain is a little soupy soupy. You need to just put on an episode of what did you say you're going to watch on the plane? I guess Survivor. Survivor. You know what I wish you could watch on a plane is Naked Attraction. Oh, that would be so great.
Starting point is 00:58:03 I finally started watching like random episodes. Naked Attraction. Oh, that would be so great. I finally started watching like random episodes. Naked Attraction. I haven't thought about that in such a long time. I know. It's a fun show. I think it's making its way
Starting point is 00:58:12 stateside in a big way. I think people are really like, like everyone at work is like, Naked Attraction, Naked Attraction. I'm like, oh, it's like really in the air.
Starting point is 00:58:19 Who's hosting this week? Chalamet. Yes. Yeah. How are vibes so far? Great. Yeah. Has he come through before? Yeah, he has. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:27 He had a great show and we're excited. He seems like he would do a good job. Oh, yeah. Solid host. Celeste put on the clip. We were in the office of Timothy and Saoirse and Little Women. Like, Timothy confessing his love to Joe. Oh, that's such a good scene.
Starting point is 00:58:44 And I was like, damn. I don't pay attention to this scene, but they're both so... I miss Saoirse. She's coming back. But I feel like she's been gone for a minute. Wait, isn't there a Saoirse movie that's coming out? She has been taking a little bit of a break away, but then again, the industry is...
Starting point is 00:59:00 The industry is the industry. Shut down, honey. But wow, that scene's amazing. But Timothy, I'm like, oh yeah, he's a damn star yeah, like he's a damn star. Yeah, he's a damn star. For sure. I think we can say that's a rule of culture. Number eight, Timothy Chalamet is a damn star.
Starting point is 00:59:13 In that movie especially, but in his general aesthetic, he is like the most gorgeous lesbian you've ever seen. Yeah, beautiful lesbian. Especially in that little women scene, the puffy sleeves, that vest. I'm like like this is so beautiful he's slender like jody he's slender like no but timothy has shoulders jody is the letter i
Starting point is 00:59:33 what's the hotness vibe in person with chalamet can i be honest like and this is purely personal yeah not my thing not my thing either but but i celebrate but like venus is a boy fucking caravaggio man i'm sorry boy caravaggio boy caravaggio boy title of app title of app timothy you'll never guess caravaggio boy might be one of our best titles okay let me show you i'm gonna google image search like he's this he's the boy with the basket of fruit you know what i mean if you google the word boy with the basket of fruit caravaggio you're gonna find timothy chalamet caravaggio boy is timothy chalamet boy with the basket of fruit vibes he should play him in the film he should grow with grow with a pearl earring
Starting point is 01:00:20 boy with the basket of fruits let's write it we. We, I don't think, would do a good job writing that. I think actually we would. Girl, oh, I just realized my I don't think so, honey. And I think it might be a retreat, but I have to say this again. Should we go right into it? Yeah. Okay, or do you not have one this week? I kind of have one. It's a little petty, but
Starting point is 01:00:40 yeah. It's a little petty? Well, yeah. You know. I think I know what you're about to do. Well, this is I Don't Think So Honey and it's really a moment which, by the way, Jennifer Hudson didn't really do one but you guys did a joint I Don't Think So Honey.
Starting point is 01:00:55 We did a joint I Don't Think So Honey. That was majorly, and you're right, maybe it's time to just call it. Can I quickly tell my story about meeting Jennifer Hudson? Yes. Because I went to say hi to you in your makeup chair. She hadn't gotten there yet. She hadn't gotten there yet. to like just call it can i quickly tell my story about meeting jennifer hudson so because i went to go say hi to you and your makeup she hadn't gotten there yet so i go in and i meet her and i'm of course gushing over her and you know i even went up to her and i sang well i don't like and she goes and i was like i'm so happy you did it back but um we did this i don't think so honey
Starting point is 01:01:24 and my i don't think so honey was i don't think so many people saying it's too early for christmas like christmas is here it started at the so then afterwards it's time she turns to me and she goes you have a christmas album and i said yes and she goes that's amazing she goes i want to do a christmas album i was like you have to oh my god and then she said yeah but i have a problem i was like what she have to. Oh my God. And then she said, yeah, but I have a problem. I was like, what? She goes, I don't know if it's going to be red and green Christmas or white Christmas. And I said, that is actually so important.
Starting point is 01:01:55 I said, what do you mean? She goes, well, if it's red and green Christmas, you have to sing certain types of songs. Wow. And if it's a white Christmas, well, that's when you have to sing Silent Night. And I was like, you think that there's a difference? She goes, oh yeah. Then she goes, and there's also many other different kinds of Christmas. And I said, did you see Carrie Arndt's
Starting point is 01:02:16 Christmas special? She said, no. I said, well, she wore a blue dress. And Jennifer Hudson said, that's what I'm saying. So I was like, I don't know if this is like a synesthesia or something where she's associating colors with certain songs but she was like I don't know if it's gonna be red and green Christmas or white Christmas it's not maybe it's not full synesthesia but the fact that this person this amazing musician vocalist
Starting point is 01:02:41 is thinking in terms of color is so beautiful to me and then i was like are you gonna do a holy night she goes i mean i guess i have to do that's why christmas that's not bread that's why christmas and so then she goes well you know not enough people do silent night and i was like you think so that's not true i was like i don't know she goes not look it up no one does silent night i was like well you have to do silent night and i said to her i was like, I don't know. She goes, look it up. No one does Silent Night. I was like, well, you have to do Silent Night. And I said to her, I was like, you should just not do a Holy Night because everyone expects it from you. She goes, okay. And then she's leaving and she goes, White Christmas.
Starting point is 01:03:14 It was perfect. This could not have gone any better. It was amazing. She was so nice. And then she goes, during the, I don't think so, honey. I'm going to have to try to keep up with you, but I don't know if I can because you're fierce. She called you fierce? And I was like, Jennifer!
Starting point is 01:03:30 Louise from St. Louis called you fierce? St. Louise. You, oh my God, this is one of your, this is one of your people. Some like great meetings so far of my life. This is, I don't know how it keeps happening like this, but I also met Gail King yesterday. Oh my God, wait. wait she was lovely the vibe is immaculate yeah gail king she came right in the
Starting point is 01:03:50 dressing room she said you know i thought that was very funny and here's the part of the interview i liked the most and she said like one part of the interview and i was like well thank you gail and she was just very nice and she did that power move too where like she left the room without saying goodbye she sort of was just like I'm leaving you on this and then she went away it was nice to meet you she goes pleasure loved her I'm not making this about me
Starting point is 01:04:13 but next time you see her I know I thought about this telling her that you guys are both swifties well that we held on to each other during all too well 10 minute version singing Singing every word. And then Ryan Reynolds turns next to. I've told this story too many times.
Starting point is 01:04:32 But he said how were you guys off book? The song's been out for less than 24 hours. How do you guys know all the words? So Gayle King was actually off book. Yes. Wow. Like we both sing. You who charmed my dad
Starting point is 01:04:45 with self-effacing jokes. So do you think that by the transitive property, this means that Oprah is a Swifty? Perhaps. I think Oprah definitely respects. The Oprah Taylor interview is like coming. Yeah, where's that? That's got to be on the pipe. But unless
Starting point is 01:05:01 Tree Payne is like, no, we're not even talking to Oprah. I mean, Taylor is like, there's no reason for her to do Oprah. She's is like, no, we're not even talking to. Oh, I mean, the Taylor's like, there's no reason for her to do Oprah. She's just not. But also she's not one of those celebrities that like, doesn't do interviews. She doesn't do them that much. Like I realized Taylor was on Seth to promote.
Starting point is 01:05:15 I think it was red. She released, she did Seth and Jimmy and SNL the same week for red. They said she's in the building. Well, they said she's doing the triple crown Well, they said she's doing the Triple Crown, Society America and the world. Wow.
Starting point is 01:05:37 This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up. Think you've seen it all? I don't think you've been a good friend to me lately. We're friends like that. Who needs enemies? You ain't seen nothing yet. Here to be in Germanic.
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Starting point is 01:06:16 We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate, delusional dreamer, and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what
Starting point is 01:06:49 happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. I'm Cheryl Swoops, WNBA champ, three-time Olympian, and Basketball Hall of Famer. I'm a mom, and I'm a woman. I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby, journalist, sports reporter, basketball analyst, a wife, and I'm also a woman. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. See, athlete or not, we all know it takes a lot as women to be
Starting point is 01:07:33 at the top of our game. We want to share those stories about balancing work and relationships, motherhood, career shifts, you know, just all the we go through. Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I, well, we have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. All right.
Starting point is 01:08:12 I have an I don't think so honey to do. You're going to understand that I've been flying a lot, but I actually think I might have done this one before. But I actually don't care because I really need to say my truth about this and I need people's behavior to change. Okay, this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey, when you watch a violent, graphic,
Starting point is 01:08:35 scary movie on the plane. Because I have to then see it. When I am diagonally behind you but diagonally, I have no choice but to watch what you watch. And the person in front of me was watching the latest Scream movie
Starting point is 01:08:51 and I was just catching out of my eye the gore. Watching, not for nothing, but because I do think she survives, but Courtney Cox gets stabbed. Watching people get ripped apart by truly Ghostface. And I'm sitting there and now I'm in a state of anxiety in an already anxious and you're on your way to new york where this
Starting point is 01:09:11 film takes place 100 and i'm thinking well if i go on the subway what's gonna go down if i go to the bodega i'm just saying like you have to be considerate about people that you are sitting around when it comes to the content you're watching. I would love for you guys to watch some gorgeous little rom-com I can see over your shoulder, not this. And that's one minute. I just, it really put me in a state of anxiety. Girl, I'm so sorry.
Starting point is 01:09:37 And I can't think of a more stressful scenario for you, my sister. I also was- But I'm saying you know how to distract yourself. I was trying to distract myself and also this was another distracting thing. I wonder if I should just say who it was, but I sat on the plane next to
Starting point is 01:09:53 a person of note. An A-list star. I was excited because... Vegas to New York? Vegas to New York. I was like, oh, I'm going to have this seat empty for me. Yay. Then I realized the seat wasn't filled because this person wasn't filled because this person wasn't gonna board with everyone else so i was already like on one because we were literally like sitting next i'm gonna tell you who it was and we're gonna bleep this out
Starting point is 01:10:17 oh see that reaction is also why i was like oh my gosh because i was like let's just say it's an eccentric and I was like we've actually dragged on this pod before Oscar winner but basically like I was like sitting next to them and well one thing happened was
Starting point is 01:10:38 I sneezed and this person of course went gazunta fuck off that's vile gazunta of course, went, Gazunta. Fuck off. That's vile. Gazunta. And I was just like, thank you.
Starting point is 01:10:53 And then we made eye contact and he registered that I knew who he was and he goes, how you doing? And I was like, good, dude. I'm good. And I turned around and looked out the window and never looked back. Y'all. I'm not spilling I turned around and looked out the window and never looked back. Y'all. I'm not spilling the tea though.
Starting point is 01:11:08 I'm not spilling the tea. Are you ready to do your I don't think so honey? I am. And readers let me know if I have done that one before but I know you feel me. Alright. Bowen Yang this is your I don't think so honey. Your time starts now. I don't think so honey. Calling a noise complaint
Starting point is 01:11:24 on my housewarming party girl we were keeping it at a reasonable decibel level the room was 20 people tops not even 20 and it was a saturday night yeah that's and like i'm sorry i'm hearing the people upstairs with their four little kids stomping around, screaming at all hours. And I don't make a fucking peep. I am church mouse over here. 364 days out of the year. I'm going to throw a party once every other year, perhaps I'm not a birthday person.
Starting point is 01:11:58 This is a very singular thing. And I don't think we as a society have to structure our lives around families and couples. It's the thing of, no, I'm not going to trade you seats on the plane so that you guys can sit together because you should have just bought your tickets together. Don't bank on people, on single people, warping, distorting their lives around people with families. And that's one minute. I'm sick.
Starting point is 01:12:22 I'm actually sick of it. Yeah, I completely understand. Do you have an idea of's one minute. I'm sick. I'm actually sick of it. Yeah. I completely understand. Do you have an idea of who it was? I don't. I ran into a couple of my neighbors in the hallway the day of, I said, just letting you know, I'm having a little get together.
Starting point is 01:12:34 It's not going to be too bad, but if it is, let me know, like knock on my door. So I gave them that up to directly come to me and be like, Hey, can you keep it down? No problem.
Starting point is 01:12:44 If that happens i go sure but if you're gonna be a fucking tattle and call downstairs i like the doorman is the one doorman was the one who's like mr bowen we've received some complaints and i said okay some complaints or a complaint that is so different some and i think that was his way of softening it so that it wasn't like I don't want him to seek out who... It could have been one, it could have been two, whatever. Got it. I'm just saying
Starting point is 01:13:11 if it's the people upstairs, you guys... You don't like to stand on what you have as little feet. Speaking of couples and units, I love that you're cohabitating with other people. I really love that. I just think that I've lived next to across from the loudest, most toxic hetero couples
Starting point is 01:13:32 who get into the most insane arguments, screaming matches. I don't, I've never once been like, can you guys keep it down? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They bring their people for fucking the games on Sunday. I just turn on my white noise machine if I need to go to bed. Saturday night is... You can't say anything. Saturday night is not for
Starting point is 01:13:54 fucking squares like those people. Yeah, I would say go figure it out. And also, like, not for nothing, but, like... It's called a white noise machine. It's New York. I actually promised you, my sister, and readers, Katie's Publishers finalists, nothing but like it's new york it's called a white noise machine it's new york it's new york i actually promise you my sister and readers katie's publicist finalists i was being quite
Starting point is 01:14:11 reasonable i don't think that there's i'm not like a rah-rah like party guy listen as someone who has lived above someone who had a problem when i simply just literally walked across my apartment. When these people just are the kinds of people who are sensitive to it and will make a big fuss about it, this is what I'm going to say to you. Don't be surprised if it happens again. And maybe you're not cut out for this fucking city. Gotta go. Gotta go.
Starting point is 01:14:40 I have a place where you can go. The swamp. The swamp. Rural town. Shrek. Hey Shrek. Hey Shrek, go back to the swamp. The swamp. Rural town. Shrek. Yeah. Hey, Shrek. Hey, Shrek, go back to the swamp. Duloc's not for you, Shrek. Get out of Duloc.
Starting point is 01:14:51 It's such a perfect town. I'm pro Farquaad. I love city people. Love Lithgow. Yeah, love Lithgow. He ate down in that film, and I was pro Farquaad. The villains of Shrek were always slaying.
Starting point is 01:15:03 Lithgow, Jennifer Saunders being fairy godmother singing holding out for a hero was puss in boots a villain puss in boots was or was he just kind of mischievous kind of enemies to lovers please tell your lovers and friends which happened at usher that ursher john and ludic amy did it again anyway i'm that might have been my neighbors just now hearing me go off, but I don't think it was them. They seem nice. I think it's the people upstairs who really is like a seven-person family.
Starting point is 01:15:32 And I'm going... Which was their choice. Don't punish me for being a single man who was able to... I'm sorry, but I shouldn't be punished for getting this apartment. You said that. First of all... Single-handedly. Ooh, you said that. And I'll,
Starting point is 01:15:46 first of all, like single handedly, if you think I did it all alone, if you think it is them, because there's no one below you, right? No, that's just a store.
Starting point is 01:15:52 So it's definitely. And I, and I think I'm never hearing any noise from downstairs in any apartment that I've been in. I've never heard downstairs noise. Yeah. Because correct me if I'm wrong, but like the noise doesn't travel up. I don't even know.
Starting point is 01:16:06 I don't know. I can't even begin to get into this. I'm more of a Caravaggio boy. I want to be in pictures. You are a Caravaggio boy. That's not really how I look. I think it's kind of giving this. See, this boy is doing Caravaggio. That's kind of Matt Rogers. I thought that was Benny Drama.
Starting point is 01:16:22 Oh, yeah. Benny Drama is Caravaggio boy. Happy birthday to him. Happy birthday to him. And also That's kind of Matt Rogers. I thought that was Benny Drama. Oh, yeah. Benny Drama is Caravaggio. Happy birthday to him. Happy birthday to him. And also, wow, I can't believe I've gone this long. This is Bowen Yang's birthday week. Oh, stop. You know me.
Starting point is 01:16:35 I'm not a birthday guy. Jesus here. Someone will betray me. Welcome to it. You think so? No, I'm just kidding. Name the top three people who might betray you this year. Lorne Michaels. Engel Wodum.
Starting point is 01:16:51 Jared Frieder. He's not going to betray you. He's so sick this week. What happened? I don't know. He got some sort of stomach flu. I hope not from my party. I hope not from your party either. Oh my God. Cole Escola
Starting point is 01:17:06 came by and held court until like 4 in the morning after Daylight Savings. So it was 5 a.m. Oh, that's why you got a noise complaint. No, we were winding it down. It went till 5? Well, it was just me, Cole, Josh, Whitaker, and Tom
Starting point is 01:17:21 Nye. It was just like the five of us just kiki and caca-ing laughing. Cole, Josh, Whitaker, and Tom Nye. It was just like the five of us just kiki and caca-ing laughing. Cole, I want to out them so bad for, they want to post something in response to all the news that I think is actually genius, but they will never do. Wait, maybe, no.
Starting point is 01:17:38 Here's the thing. They are an ocean of secrets. They are, and I don't want to blow up their spot, but God, we were crying laughing because, and I said, want to blow up their spot, but God, we were crying laughing because, and I said, Cole, this could heal the world and resolve this conflict in a real way. And they would go, no, I'm not going to
Starting point is 01:17:52 do it. But if you see Cole in the street, Cole has the answers. Cole has the answers. Cole has maybe the funniest, the only funny thing that could possibly come out of this situation. And even if they don't post it, follow them on social. Follow them on social.
Starting point is 01:18:08 This has been an episode that was necessary, essential, and more. Thank you for your recap of BravoCon, of Seth Meyers, of your album release. Everybody enjoy the morning show finale. Yes.
Starting point is 01:18:22 That's out right now. Wow. So much going on. And we will. And stream the record. out right now. Wow. So much going on. And we will stream the record. Stream the record. Okay. Let's end with a song. I'm so caught up.
Starting point is 01:18:34 Got me feeling that. Caught up. I don't know what it is. But I really got me twisted. I'm so caught up. Got me feeling that. Caught up. There was a clip of him going up to Kenya Moore in the audience
Starting point is 01:18:48 And I thought they were gonna kiss I would pay money to see that Big money Vegas money May all your tits be sucked Bye Usher Bye Bye
Starting point is 01:19:01 Hey everybody this is Matt And my album Have You Heard of Christmas Bye, Asher. Bye. Bye. Hey, everybody. This is Matt, and my album, Have You Heard of Christmas, is out now. Stream it wherever you stream things. And also, pre-order the vinyl at www.mattrodgersofficial.com, where there's tons of merch and also tickets for my tour. I'm going to be in London November 13th to 18th at the Soho Theater. Please come see me. And then I start in Philly on December 1st and I'm all over North America till December 23rd. All right. Thanks. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with
Starting point is 01:19:41 Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. I was a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Starting point is 01:20:00 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba? Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home, and he wanted to take his son with him. Or stay with his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom.
Starting point is 01:20:31 Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Cheryl Swoops. And I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment.
Starting point is 01:21:08 You can find us on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.

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