Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - “Challengaz ;)” w/ (Matt & Bowen)

Episode Date: April 29, 2024

Because we love-love you all… here’s an extra serving of Las Cultch for you! ‘Cause what were we supposed to do, exactly? Not talk about Challengers? Zendaya’s latest with director Luca Guadagnino is a total bop and Matt & Bowen get all up into it. Also, publicists? This is your moment. On Friday, May 3rd, the categories for the Las Culturistas Culture Awards are announced. Use May to campaign! The nominees will be announced at the end of the month. So make your voice heard and let your freak flaggot fly! See you Wednesday….. when it will become clear that… training season’s over. OOP!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Las Culturistas calling. Excuse my chewing friend. I'm just over here, you know, masticating on my trail mix. And we're very happy to have you guys masticate us in this bonus episode. Just a little early, I guess. A little bonus episode. There was pressing matters that we needed to get into the studio to address. One being, we just recorded

the categories for the Lost Culture, Easeless Culture Awards this year, and those will be revealed on May 3rd. May 3rd. This Friday. Friday, May 3rd. And publicist season, I guess, has truly begun. May is publicist season. The weather's nice. You want

to go out there, hit the street. Knock on doors. Knock on doors. You know, wave your flags. Babe, get your freak flag out, flag it, because it's publicist season. It's actually rule of culture number nine. Get your freak flag out, flag it.

It's publicist season. We are, you're never going to believe it, but giggling and titling away. We think we've really done something this year with some of these categories. I mean, I'm thinking of one right now and just thinking of the possibilities. The influx of campaigning

that's going to happen for so many. But we can't say too much. We can't say too much. It's almost too exciting. I would agree. I think it's really really thrilling that Lost Cult is... I don't know. Like, we're out there. We're out there. Lost Cult is officially out there.

Okay, so listen. The true truth. The true true, as was said in the movie Cloud Atlas. Did you ever see the movie Cloud Atlas? Never did. I think you would actually like it in a way where you'd be sort of throwing your hands up and knee slapping. Did you guys know that

Bo and Yang is a knee slapper? He's a table hitter and a knee slapper. And I really, I don't mind knee slapping. There is something really annoying and I really dislike this about myself that I'm a table slapper. Because if you're at a table with other people, it does, first of all, it makes so much noise to a distracting extent. first of all, it makes so much noise to a distracting extent.

Second of all, like, it's so, it feels like such a performance. But I really do slap the table because I do. You're enjoying. I can see it. My body is like, oh, like, how do I get this out of my system? Your body experiences so much joy. It has to come out. And I think what people also don't know about you is Bo and Yang's erogenous zones

are on his palms no so if you ever want to get him off that's not true just be like hi I'm Susan and shake his hand

and I'll go not that open not that like oh that oh god you ever catch yourself going like that during S.E.X

oh I never want to see my O face I hope no one ever I hope no one ever takes a picture or films me. You know what I just realized? The O face, I always thought meant orgasm face. But literally they mean the fact that your mouth makes the shape of an O. I think it still stands for orgasm.

Do you think it's multi-purpose? Do you think it's a thing of like O faces? Like, oh, my face is making the O face. By the way, we were doing it to look each other in the eyes. And doing the oh face. Oh! It's too intimate for us. But I think it's...

Or orgasm face. I think it's very apropos of the subject matter that we're going to be talking about. 100%. Two friends who are a little, have the walls of intimacy knocked down. It's crazy. You guys, this was the other pressing matter. So I feel that, you know, we've been so good about the culture and the catching up.

Like it's always been the two of us for the past like several months, I feel like. But sometimes it can feel like the culture is a little dry. And for the next few weeks, we're going to have guests. So it's not going to be culture catch up but we saw the movie Challengers and I was like

no we have to convene to the studio with this we have to convene this was maybe my favorite movie my favorite movie ever I've seen it twice

I went on Thursday and Friday I went again immediately we saw it together on Friday can you describe what happened at the end like with the audience

just cheers screams please you have to go see this in the theater yeah you really do and you know what like it was a chatty crowd especially behind us there was some chatter going on and like all we did this this person i think literally dined out on us like turning around and respectfully telling them just once an hour and a half into the movie to just,

hey, all I said was, you can stop. That's what I said. I said three words. You did. You were very good about it. And then I think that

she was a little lit up from having been that person that was told to be quiet. But honestly, I think that's like, what is that personality? That's what she was going for.

That's what I'm saying. I don't want to give too much air time to this person. No. She literally went out to Animal after the movie, and our friend Colin texted us and said, this girl I'm talking to is bragging to everybody how you guys yelled at her. And I'm like, yeah, because her personality fucking sucks. Confirmed.

I mean, whatever. She was one of the many small characters that popped during the experience of watching Challengers. The ones I cared about were on screen. Even she could not get in the way of my experience of loving this movie. No. And I think that like, it's been a while where the entire audience exploded in cheers at the end of a movie. By the way, a polarizing ending and an ending that makes a huge choice is all I'm saying. I was reading some of like the headlines going into the way, a polarizing ending and an ending that makes a huge choice is all I'm saying. I was reading some of the headlines going into the movie.

Like, the ending, the ending, the ending. Like, all these explainers. I'm like, is this going to be a confusing, confounding ending? And I really, I think it's pretty legible. No, it's not confusing at all. I think it's just, I'm going to actually call it Thelma and Louise-ish. Not that extreme. But there's something that happens that you just don't see coming and is sort of out of left field yeah yeah and it rocks i loved it for me it pays off so much i

saw the cinema score is b plus which no that feels so low but the way that you can kind of gauge is from yes from the ending because it's the last thing they see before they're asked what did you think of the movie what grade would you give it to To me, if you love the ending, it's gonna be canon for you. And if you hate it, I feel like I can understand you being like, no, I wanted it to be different. Just for me, and I'm seeing for you too, perfect ending, what a script.

Like, this is a tight, bold, always interesting, always fun, sexy, sort of giving timeless script in many ways. It's very timeless. I mean, that screenplay, like we talked about it afterwards. I love a post movie.

If you're with your friends, a post film sort of salon at a bar or a restaurant. I had that with Josh after we saw Parasite for the first time. We were like, we need to go somewhere and talk about this. Yeah. And like, I loved that part of the experience, right? I love that we all went out like afterwards and we're like, we need to discuss this. Yeah. But like, I loved that part of the experience, right? I love that we all went out like afterwards and we're like, we need to discuss this.

Yeah. But like I was telling everybody, I was like, I, in the theater was like, I need to read the screenplay. Yes, that was the first thing you said when it ended. Specifically the moment when, you know, it kind of like turns into the ending, basically. It's kind of like, someone called it an act break,

structurally, depending on who you ask. The way this whole thing is executed is so I mean that's just Luca and Justin Kurtsky's doing it like so perfectly together like a director really respecting and exalting the script and taking the time to really

know the script as a director it just felt so lived in I mean I think Luca Guadagnino is the best he's one of our best I mean, I think Luca Guadagnino is the best. He's one of our best. I mean, for me, it's just like what's so incredible about him is he's just so good with character. Because on the page,

like I can see these being tough characters to play. Zendaya, Josh O'Connor, and Mike Feist, the three of them are perfect. Zendaya is just... Come on. What even is it? It's just like, it is an intangible movie star quality where I was watching it and I was just so

happy the whole time. I was like, wow. Here's someone who I will see everything she does. To me, she's like going forward. The way that I feel about like, or I'm sure people felt in the beginning about like Sandra Bullock. Or like a Julia. Yes, but different because she's not giving the rom-com thing.

She's giving a different vibe. She's just so good. There are so many moments in this movie, and I don't want to ruin anything, where you realize just how well she knows this person, and it's tough. It all pays off. It's hot as shit.

Everyone in the movie is gorgeous, but in a real-looking way, not shit. Everyone in the movie is gorgeous, but in a real looking way, not in like this like intangible movie star way, which is not a knock to them. But everyone feels specific, real, lived in. Like you can laugh the whole time. You can also watch it as a drama.

It's just, there's so much going on. Yeah. I mean, she kind of was the draw for me. Well, they said this, so they pulled the audience after everyone left and they said, what was the number one reason? I was reading this

long deadline article about it and 55% said the reason that they saw the movie, the primary reason why they saw the movie was Zendaya. And we left

and I was like, people are going to talk about this movie. I think this is going to be a sleeper summer big one if they decide to keep it in theaters. And I know there's already a plan for it to talk about this movie. I think this is going to be a sleeper summer big one if they decide to keep it in theaters. And I know there's already a plan for it to go to Amazon Prime.

I get the appeal of that. You're like, oh, that's a movie I can watch on Amazon Prime. Do yourself a favor and go to this theater. Like, have this, like, particular, like, cathartic experience that happens with the movie theater. Like, it's also that it almost felt like watching a horror movie with an audience and that everyone was reacting to everything.

Oh! Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. She just, she's such a home run and it's so interesting to hear her talk about

and impress like, first of all, she's been doing a lot. All of it. But in these, I think she's being very real and vulnerable

in these moments where she's like, no, I'm very nervous about this because this is my first time leading a movie technically. It's an important role for her.

Wow. I hadn't thought of that. I was like, oh, I guess between Spider-Man and Euphoria, you're like, she has not been number one on the call sheet.

I mean, this is a really big role for her. For a movie, for a film, for a film. Yeah, for Euphoria, that's... More of an ensemble even.

Yeah, Euphoria is very ensemble. She's obviously the star of it, so she has had that. But this is a huge part for her because she has to not only be number one on the call sheet and sell this movie, but also it's a tough character. It's a tough character.

It's a walk. So much of it is internal. That character does not have that much dialogue if you think about it. Especially that moment in the end where I want to see how it's written on the page. All three of them have something internal, like a switch flips in them internally.

It's like a tennis match between three people. Between three people. It's so gorgeous. And it's actually written that way. So I actually did start reading the script. I found it. Patrick sent it to me, House. And he sent it to me

and it's written actually uh pretty differently than it looks on screen like it's just interesting like i wonder luke is obviously just very clear about what he wants and like how he sees something because you could read this script and it could kind of read and i don't mean this in a bad way but it could kind of read it's like a total drama or what? Not even that. Like, more of, like, a comedy, like, more of, like, a frilly comedy. Like, for example, like, when Zendaya in the very beginning... Okay, so this is not a spoiler, but I'm just going to describe her attitude in the very

beginning. So Zendaya plays, like, this woman who's, like, pretty tough. She's pretty brash. Like, she delivers information, like, pretty straight up. Yeah, yeah. You know what i mean and um i think on the page that could come off a little bit like more one-dimensional in like a comedy way does that make sense where it could be like she just she serves this purpose in the script to like be hard

and cold and the coach and like yeah the information she delivers could be read as like just solely comedic but zendaya and lu Luca are giving her so much texture. And in the very beginning of the movie, she doesn't even have a lot of speaking in the beginning, but you know exactly who she is. And that's a testament to Luca and Zendaya. And I'm telling you, every character in some way is like that. It just could have been not as real.

And that's one of my biggest compliments, is that everyone in this been not as real. And that's like one of my biggest compliments is that everyone in this movie is super real. And I'm not even just talking about the three leads. I mean, all the small characters are memorable and pop because of the detail. You know what I'm saying? It's kind of cool what I was thinking about the writer, Justin Kuritsky,

is like Celine Song's husband. Yeah. And it's just like, he is kind of that guy in past lives, essentially. Right. He has been, like, there's been a stand-in for him in one of her movies that would make you kind of, like,

that character is so fascinating in past lives to me. Like, the guy she ends up with, like, the American guy that she ends up with, that she meets, like, on, like, a fellowship, sort of, like. And they do the same thing in the movie, too. They do the same thing in the movie. I think they met through that, I think. Well, even if it's not directly that they met at something like that,

they do have the same profession. Right, right, right. And I was wondering if that was the same. I'm not sure. I don't recall. But anyway, I just love that he has this film as something that exists sort of... oh my god that kind of it speaks to past lives in a way to me like i'm like oh like the guy is this amazingly talented writer in his own right i just found that interesting you know that is kind of interesting how the

movies speak to each other yeah past lives and challengers do have something in common two guys one girl girl, whatever. You know, I was kind of thinking of it as May-December coded. No, I think it's past lives coded. Definitely past lives coded. But when I was leaving, I was like, so that felt like May-December to me. And in that, it's about three characters in this sort of triangular relationship. And all of them are very morally gray. And I think that there's also like a tug of war that's happening here.

Just really interesting. And I want more movies like that. I know. So bad. Like those three movies that we just talked about, like real drama, real stakes in relationship and interesting character. Yeah.

This is why I'm like, please go see this movie in the theater. Please let them know that this is something we want more of because this is actually good stuff. Yeah, totally. Really good, really compelling. Makes you think. I bet people have different reads on all these characters at any given time. Of course, because that screenplay is giving the audience

just enough of a question mark to fill in their own blanks and stuff. Yeah. Trent Reznor, Atticus Ross. Come on. I think that's their best score. I made a summer playlist called Beautiful Blonde Carefree Summer and I immediately added

Yeah x 10. Yeah. Which is the song that plays when Zendaya is introduced as a young tennis pro. Uh-huh, uh-huh. When she walks out on the court. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Whatever it is. I was like, that needs to be on my big beautiful summer. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Big blonde beautiful. Big blonde beautiful summer. I'm not big blonde and beautiful

like the Harris Bray soundtrack. I guess I am big blonde and beautiful. Yeah, of course. Anyway, yeah, I put it on my summer playlist. I was like, this whole thing is a vibe. Yeah.

We were just listening to it, actually. I know. I was playing, let this be part of the lore for Lost Cult. When we were putting together the categories, I was playing the entirety of the challengers. Yes, and our brains were working. Yeah.

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desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean.

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Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Now, I think it's, in describing these three films, I think there is something going on in the culture now

where the triangle is back. The triangle is back. It's the year of the threesome. Of the threesome. It's the year of the weird relationship between three people. Mm-hmm. Know it. Know it.

And if anyone out there has instincts, follow them. Destroy your relationship by bringing in a chaotic third. Look, you and I have a little chaotic third in our midst. A little Sudi Green running around. Absolutely. Zendaya coded. She's our Zendaya. But no, honestly, like one thing I really liked about it

was it was really casual about how these two straight, quote unquote, straight guys. out like like oh yeah well they fully like i don't know i don't think it's a spoiler to say it goes somewhere between them because it's just really fun the way that they did it where there was no weird homophobia that wasn't even in the movie it wasn't even in the air it was i never thought for one second like oh this is gonna be weird because they're two guys but it serves a even in the movie. It wasn't even in the air. I never thought for one second, like,

oh, this is going to be weird because they're two guys. But it serves a purpose in the characterization and in the story. It's like, the moment that this thing happens, it is purely still centered around the other character. Yes. It completely speaks to, like, the way this character, like, sees these two people and, like, the way she wants to manipulate them. It's, like, so good. It's not gratuitous. It's not like, oh, God, are we really, like, sees these two people and, like, the way she wants to manipulate them. It's, like, so good.

It's not gratuitous. It's not like, oh, God, are we really, like, jerking into two guys kissing? Like, is that what's going on here? No, it's so important. I think what's so fucking great about this movie is you understand, like, when you really think about it afterwards, like, what Zendaya's character, Tashi Duncan,

by the way, great fucking name. Tashi. Tashi Duncan. What her desire is, is to just watch dynamics. She just like, she thrives off watching that push and pull between other people. And she likes to be a part of it herself. Like, I don't know. It's just, it's a other people. Yeah. Like, and she likes to be a part of it herself. Like, I don't know.

It's just, it's a fascinating character. Yeah. And the tennis of it all, like, really works. And not in a heavy-handed way. You know what I mean? Because sometimes it's like, oh, they're dueling over her. Like, it's a tennis match. Like, I can see that on paper being like, her, her, her.

But it works so well. Like, all the little micro metaphors in tennis as a thing like yeah the um the fact that like the script works as this story of their life which honestly in many ways has been a volley back and forth like at the act breaks like they follow this one tennis match that's happening in the present day, and they flash back in different parts of time. And the act breaks always go back to the tennis match, and that person who's winning in the relationship is winning in the game. Just fun little things like that that work.

The match point of it is so perfect. There's something final to it. Yeah, and it doesn't feel like Pat. It feels thrilling, and it works. It's like any really good sports movie, you're invested. But I mean, any really good sports movie is anchoring that to emotions and to stakes.

Because obviously the stakes are, they're going to win and lose. But the fact that the relationship stakes are so much higher that leads into the ending, it's just, it's the perfect version of this kind of movie. Yeah, totally. And I do love that Tashi character, like literally loving watching the dynamics

to the point where she is like, has the notebook out, like watching replay on all the games, taking notes, writing down numbers. You're like, this is all she cares about. It's not just like in the script, it's like, this is all she cares about. It's not just, like, in the script, it's like, oh, all she cares about is tennis, but it is actually more about the meta

game. She cares about the meta game. She literally is playing a meta game over the course of many, many years. Yeah. And also just the focus that he keeps on her as the lead, while also, like, fully fleshing out these two other characters. Like like there's like

i just said the frame of the movie is this one tennis match that's happening in the present day of the film and zendaya has no dialogue she's just sitting there watching the game yeah yeah but he as the director and she as the actress are so good that you know emotionally where she is at in a small way and in a larger way the entire time like just the shots the editing the editing must be like given accolades here yes because it is really tense really fun really engrossing and you don't miss anything. Like, the things that are iconic about this movie are based in character and script payoff, such as the ball. And they're all very intimate.

Yes. And tennis is kind of an intimate game. I mean, not kind of. It literally is an intimate game between two people, max four, whatever. But, like, the arenas are smaller than, like, any other sport. But, like, the big moments like let's say like you know them all making out in the hotel room right that is small that is a blood orange

music video literally like blood orange is playing in the background like diegetically like playing from someone's phone and so josh sharp says well that song came out in 20 in 2013 so 18 years later the movie takes place in the present day of 2031. Oh my God. Yeah, he caught a little... He caught that. What was I saying? You know what's great about that scene too,

like when they start hooking up all together, is it's literally born out of a conversation that we watch happen. It's like, what's so great about that scene is you understand why it goes there because they've just had this conversation that's really disarming

and charming and sexy. But she plays that so well. Genius. She's getting them to say all of these really kind of embarrassing things. They're sharing stories

about the first time they've like jerked off and stuff. It's like she's getting them. She's perfect. She has this ferocity where she like gets them to like spill and then she like the puppet strings are there from the beginning yes and what is so different about that than other things that get sort of like you know this reputation for being like salacious or like whatever is it's like you're not just walking someone walk up to someone in a backyard

and then eating their pussy while they're on their period. You know what I mean? You're actually watching this unfold, and it's believable. It's not just this stunty thing of like, oh, he's fucking a grave, not to keep dragging this movie, but this is why the script really matters,

is because we're seeing it executed in a way that's born out of character and therefore we actually are scandalized and actually we can remember this in a real way, in a way that can emotionally work for us. Speaking of character, because I've heard you say this and I really think you're onto something, talk about

how even the quote-unquote minor characters in this film are so impactful. Sean, you remember them. It's all in the details. It's all in the details. It's all in the performances. Every like down to the woman who like registers Josh O'Connor. Yes.

There's a detail about everyone. Yeah. And this is what I'm saying. It's like, so in the very first, the gay couple at the hotel, there's a gay couple in a hotel who have like a hilarious, like two line exchange.

And there's something that like one of them slaps the other on the back and the sound editing you really hear the slap which is so funny to me like for example like there's a woman who's checking him

into the one of the actors one of the characters rather into the tennis tournament and it's about a million other things just besides

that transaction that's I guess what I'm saying is it's like there is so much color and detail and the director doesn't cut any of it i understand sometimes why you just want to get to information in movies like and things should move all information character and detail matters it's like kind of like why they say like in a romantic movie spend time on us watching them fall in love you know what i mean don't just be like they met they like in a romantic movie spend time on us watching them fall in love you know what i

mean don't just be like they met they're in a relationship honestly there's movies i could drag that do this but i won't detail matters like relationship matters like things that you might deem as superfluous because they're not quote unquote moving story forward like we didn't need to watch the woman that worked at the hotel struggle with the snack machine. What do you call that? Oh, yeah, the vending machine. The vending machine. Like, we didn't need that, but, like, it did help.

We watched their interaction, and he couldn't get a room. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. It's just little things. The character of the year for me is Helen. Helen. Which is a Tinder date that Josh O'Connor goes on, and it's unbelievable.

From the moment you see her on the phone screen Hayley Gates shout out Hayley Gates we went to college with her I was so shook when I realized it was her

oh my gosh she was killed it I think that's the comedy performance of the year we were screaming laughing

it was just so funny it was so good this performance of trying to be interesting on a Tinder date but you're not like and also like where that scene ultimately goes again this is another character It was so good. This performance of trying to be interesting on a Tinder date, but you're not. And also where that scene ultimately goes.

Again, this is another character that's in one scene of the movie, maybe seven lines of dialogue. It's giving Sandra Oh and the Princess Diaries. Yes, it is. Say it. Anyway, like, I mean, what else? The boys are fucking amazing. The boys are amazing.

Josh O'Connor would have won the Melanie Linsky Award for Best Fake American Accident in any of the years. Honestly, seamless. He's so talented. He's very good. He's so good. And Mike Feist, I have been officially won over. I fucking loved him in West Side Story. Now I'm like, oh, yeah.

I'm on board forever. And also just like how comfortable they were with each other. You bought that best friendship from the beginning. And guess what? Because of the details and because of how much we believed it in the beginning, that really helped when the relationship got difficult and dark and non-existent. Like because the relationship details really matter.

Like it matters how close they sit together. It matters them sharing food. It matters how quickly they walk places together. You know what I mean? The way that they sort of match each other in energy, laying back and watching her play tennis at the same time. The way they exist sharing a hotel room. It's just so many things

that are specific and great that are to be loved about this movie. And it's so fucking gay without trying. And it's so fucking sexy without even really showing one sex scene. You don't see any sex scenes. You see making out. You see, like,

the suggestions of something starting. And you see that something has ended you don't see any fucking in this movie and it's still the horniest hottest movie of the year and the gayest something about it's not the gayest movie of the year but it's queer coded and fun in that way we have to shout out Jonathan Anderson

fucking slay in the costume design oh yeah I told you shirt Zendaya's look. I mean, it's all giving like... Josh's nasty plaid shorts during the match. Well,

it's all giving like slight layer of Loewe, but that's it. He's not going to let Loewe dominate this movie. You know what I mean? Right. He's like such a good...

Were they a sponsor? No, but Jonathan Anderson is Loewe. Oh, okay. He's Loewe guy. Oh, he... Oh, I didn't know that. That's his... Oh, perfect. Oh, he's, he's, he's Loewe guy. Oh, he, oh, I didn't know that. That's his,

that's his, that's his. Oh, perfect. Um, so he fucking, he's so, I mean, he's like the fashion designer right now.

And like for him to costume design for this in a way that is, that respects the medium, it is not like fashion overtaking this. Yes. Except for the, I told you shirt, which is like, everyone's going to wear.

And I actually, please, everyone wear that shirt. I mean, they're on the way for us. We ordered them. We ordered them. The thing that that shirt does in this movie is so good that I'm like, I don't care.

Everyone should wear it. Like, it's not a thing where I'm like, oh, God, like eye roll, like someone's wearing that. But it's like, no, this is such a great, subtle touch in this movie that ends up being like a device. But I think like the first time you see it, you're like, oh, whatever. Random, like random thing.

I'm just like, just the costumes throughout. So damn good. Loved it so much. The score. I need a DJ night of just the Challenger score. Yeah, just play the score. Just play the Challenger score. We're bopping our heads.

I said I would go to, I would go to these parties if like they played that. Like literally. Spin Challengers if you want me to be at your event. Factasia should do a Challengers theme. Ty should do a Challengers boat. Like, all queer nightlife should do something with Challengers. Yeah.

Get into the conversation, too, because we're watching it happen. We're watching something get birthed. Something is here to stay with it. Yeah. You know what I mean? This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up. Think you've seen it all?

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I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. in any type of role. She's just fun to watch. The scene where she sits down at the tree, I don't want to give anything away, it was giving, like, timeless movie star. Oh, yeah. It was giving, like, and also the way he was lighting her,

because remember, this guy is like, if you don't know, now you know. He did Call Me By Your Name. He's so great at, like, he just makes a choice that keeps the movie stunning and beautiful, but also never loses narrative and catches a lot.

You know who I would also compliment with this? Andrew Onn. Oh, yeah. Like, these are directors that, like, put you in a pillow. Yeah. The movie that we were in, Fire Island, I believe, was very elevated by the detail and the scope that it picked up of the surroundings so that you were always aware of place. And what I love about this movie so much too

is how much parking lot making out there is. I love the hotel culture. You know what I mean? Like it's got this sense of real place when you think about what these people actually must do, which is they spend a ton of time at hotels and practicing and like eating out on the road yeah you know what i mean like there's just so much like you you don't even know where these people live it doesn't matter

their daughter is like an afterthought in a way that's kind of fun but in a way where you're also like the daughter is kind of you don't need that daughter to be realized any more than she is in the film, where it's like, she wants to watch Spider-Verse. Yeah. Which I thought was also a cute detail. I liked it. She loves hotels.

I love that detail. Yeah, the daughter loves hotels. She feels safe there. That's what I'm talking about. You know what I mean? Yes. And the mom just kind of being around, like you don't really,

like the mom and Zendaya and Tashi don't need to have like a deep, revealing conversation. It says everything that she is is there that she is like part of their lives in that specific way yeah where she's just there to child rear no problem do you know what I mean oh 100% and also I'm realizing now like because there's a thing with the mom where Josh O'Connor says to Zendaya your mom looks good and Zend Zendaya goes, I know she does, Patrick. And I was just like, that is such an, that's a great line. It's like,

I mean, Zendaya has an iconic line, which is, I'm taking such good care of my little white boys. I was like, not only is this movie tight structurally, it's really fun

in terms of dialogue. Like, things just pop out. It doesn't feel written. No, it doesn't. And I would compliment, obviously, everyone involved for that, but these actors are, and I mean this in the best sense,

throwing it away. It is so lived in and earned. And there's long scenes in this movie, too, but they don't feel long because of the pacing that the score brings in. And, like, I don't know it's just fucking good there's motion in every scene

not to mention cinematography where I didn't even feel like it was that on the nose for the volleys to happen do you know what I mean? no yeah

I get it it's a tennis movie but it's like but like the camera moves are like are so pronounced but they totally fit with

what's being said with what the dynamic is. Yeah. The scene, like in the dorm between Josh and Zendaya. Yeah. Like that whole argument that it kind of devolves into. I'm like, wait, that was perfect. Like it came in just the right time.

It wasn't too indulgent. It happened for like a couple seconds where it's clear to the audience. One shot, by the way. One shot, by the way. I know. I love that. But it's so clear to the audience, like what's going on. It it met the audience where it's at it doesn't try to like handhold too much it also doesn't try to like be so vaunted in an unreachable place that you're like oh how do i

what how do i engage with this yeah you know what i mean yeah it's a real crowd pleaser of a movie that feels like so artistically lush and chewy or whatever. Yeah. And you don't need to be like a tennis fan to enjoy it either. Like, in fact, if you are a tennis fan, that's, I guess, where one criticism I've heard is coming in. It's like, I guess the tennis in the movie is not satisfying tennis people. I had one person say to me who plays tennis all the time that Zendaya's form was bothering him. And then I had another person who plays tennis all the time

say that she had the best form. And I'm like, okay, which one of you is bad at tennis? Because that just means one of the people that talk to me sucks. And if you're listening to this, you might suck. I don't know. Someone who's an expert should weigh in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Apparently Josh's form was wild, but I thought that worked for the character.

That totally works for the character. I feel like Zendaya must have, through a character filter, must have put in the work to make sure that Tashi's form was good. She said on Kelly Clarkson, because Kelly was like, did y'all become the best tennis player of all time?

Because I was watching this like, y'all can really play tennis. And Zendaya was like, I wish I could say I was even adept at tennis, but apparently there was never a real ball. Andaya was like I wish I could say I was even adept at tennis but apparently there was never the balls are all CGI yeah there was never

a real ball and she was like I just liked that at like dance training but what I had heard was that Zendaya's forearm

is that it comes from under too much and that it's like she needs to be on top of the ball a little bit more is what one person said to me

but again that person could be one of tennis's worst players oh stop but also zendaya is working with some live limbs lies would be one word and so of course it's going to look a little a little i mean gangly isn't the right word but you know what i mean like she's got the longest arms and legs ever life would be one word to describe sunday yeah it's actually real culture number 100 live would be would be one word to describe Zendaya. It's actually Real Culture number 100. Lithe would be one word to describe Zendaya. So I'm feeling

maybe it's pronounced that way and so it kind of like Lithe limb shoes wind so Take it queen it's your film. Oh I can't wait

for that part of the movie. I really can't. I sing it. No I don't. Oh my god I just literally gagged. For a second I was just like

whoa. I do have a fantasy that like the movie pivots to your perspective and that you are the lead. I think there is a Rosencrantz and Gilman, Stern or Dead sequel potential to Wicked. Where it's just me. There is.

It's Fanny and Chen Chen sort of being out in Oz. No, oh, this is the idea. It's Fanny and Chen Chen. Once Dorothy comes to Oz, everyone's like a Twitter, like, oh my God, this bitch just landed. Like, I heard she's fierce. This bitch just landed like I heard she's fierce. This bitch just landed

and I heard she's fierce. And it's like me and Chen Chen it's Fanny and Chen Chen just like trying to look for Dorothy while she's and then once they get to the Emerald City

she's gone. Oh man. And it's kind of like a waiting for a good joke except we're like chasing after it. Yeah no that's really good. That's not bad right?

No it's actually art. Thank you. Much of what you just said is art. Our pop. Pretty much all the time. Wow. oh you know what we didn't do what and we can do this for the end of this episode because how much more do we have to say i mean everyone needs to go see everyone needs to go see it just go if you haven't gone already and also not for nothing be like me and go a second time because it's just as good as i know i can't wait to see it again bring your friend that you

love to watch react to stuff. You know how oftentimes you have that like favorite person that you love to see laugh first or like react to something first or like that. Bring that person that you're excited about seeing it to this movie. Period. I love that advice. I have periods of Dubai. That's a great bit of advice.

Yeah. Cause this is, this is one of those movies that you like feel So one thing we could do because we forgot to do is pick out a new year for the next cultural excavation We don't have the

bucket, but what we could do is we could Okay, random number generator Random number generator Oh wow, there's an app for everything. Minimum. So the minimum is... It was...

Okay, so let's just say 1975 to 2020. No, let's do 1973 to 2023. Okay. Okay. Yeah, that's good. All right. Generate. Ready?

Generate. Here we go. 1979. Whoa. This is our first year that we've done that is before us being born. 1979. Okay, so we're about to do some research. This could be really fun for everybody in the class.

Becca, if there's time, could you make it just a little sourdough starter of a document for us? Thank you so much. Wow. And then from there, we can just sort of... It's because Bowen Yang is going to be very busy May and June

and he forgets I'm not. Well, no. I also respect your time and that you would want to use your time the way you want to use it. And you had a very busy

winter and spring. Can I say... When I say this stuff about myself, this bit about Bowen Yang being the busiest woman in Hollywood and me getting a tan,

I am just I'm not dragging myself I promise you but the audience hears it and thinks oh well well they must either think

oh haha he's being funny or like lol I wish he wouldn't do that he's being mean to himself or they think flop fag

we hate Matt Rogers he's so annoying I don't understand it I don't want you to ever let that save him. Listen, I completely respect all camps. I don't completely respect all camps, but I completely acknowledge

all camps. Where I'm telling you you should be is probably somewhere in between the two. Yes, of course. Be worried about me always, but I'm fine. Anything else to say about Challengers? No, I think it was the greatest film I've ever seen yeah

between Challengers in May December and Past Lives as we just said that's a trifecta that should be studied a trifecta of triangles I really like that

and I would actually I would like to teach the college course oh I love that I would like to teach a cultural analysis on those three movies and how they speak

to each other cause you know what gets unwieldy is if it's I'm literally doing a movie that's this though, but it's of two couples. Like Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf gets a little like, even though that is one of the great plays and great films,

four is a little like, it's tough to manage four, right? Three is that ooh, three is perfect. Three is that beautiful three is that good, good number. Three is really beautiful, three is that good, good number. Three is really one of the numbers that you get to first when you start counting. Yes. If you think about that, one, two, three, you are already there.

You don't have to go far. Give it a couple numbers. You'll get to three. You'll get there. Stick with it. Stick with it. But you know, that's why Britney didn't call her song four. And Beyonce called it four, but for different reasons. Britney called it three. You'll get there. Stick with it. Stick with it. But you know, that's why Britney didn't call her song four. And Beyonce called it four,

but for different reasons. Britney called it three. Well, yeah, I mean... I do want to say one of my favorite parts of the Renaissance tour was in the section where the theme is wedding, as Matt Whitaker likes to say. Yeah. Before she sings Love on Top. Or before she sings Rather Die Young or something, She just goes,

Y'all want to hear something off my album 4? And that's, I love, I love hearing her say 4. I think it's her favorite. One of the shows, I could have sworn, watching video, I hear her say my favorite album 4. And that was really shocking. But maybe this has not actually been documented and confirmed. Well, back in the day, when she was like promoing for,

she performed One Plus One on American Idol and she introduced it like this. This is my favorite song, One Plus One. She said that. So I don't know if One Plus One is still her favorite song. It's up there though. I love One Plus One. I love One Plus One.

I'll never forget seeing One Plus One. It's a card to show World Tour. Well, then and in Renaissance, world tour was amazing. But I saw it at the Roseland Ballroom when she was pregnant and no one knew. And Jay was there and she was sitting on the piano and it was a really small audience. And she ripped it apart. Vocally, emotionally. Just. Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo,ally, emotionally. First.

Just, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo. Wa-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh. We end every episode with a song. Wa-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh. No, I don't think so. I'm hanging out a bonus episode. He like it, then he said, I'm gonna ring on it.

He like it, then he said, I'm gonna ring on it. Wa-oh-oh. We didn't even do the dance. It's okay. It's first and foremost a song. Bye. I'm Cheryl Swoops.

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