Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Choppin’ It Up!" (w/ Jon Gabrus)

Episode Date: July 11, 2018

Presenting the ALLY OF THE YEAR, Jon Gabrus!This is a quintessential episode. It’s dynamic, political, pop-cultural, bursting with Long Island wisdom. You’ll leave a better person. You’ll learn important facts, such as “Producers are the hottest people in Hollywood” and “the Apps are dead.” You’ll discover things about Jon that you never knew — did you know he was a part of the Gay-Straight Alliance in ’99? Did you know that Bear Culture has had a significant impact on his fashion choices? Did you know that he has a revolutionary business proposal for ride-sharing apps that could greatly improve your life? If there’s one main takeaway from this episode, it’s this: Jon Gabrus misses you!—LAS CULTURISTAS HAS A PATREON! For $5/month, you get exclusive access to WEEKLY Patreon-ONLY Las Culturistas content!!https://www.patreon.com/lasculturistasSUBSCRIBE ON APPLE PODCASTS TODAY!CONNECT W/ LAS CULTURISTAS ON FACEBOOK & TWITTER for the best in "I Don't Think So, Honey" action, updates on live shows, conversations with the Las Culturistas community, and behind-the scenes photos/videos:www.facebook.com/lasculturistastwitter.com/lasculturistasLAS CULTURISTAS IS A FOREVER DOG PODCASTforeverdogpodcasts.com/las-culturistas  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Where? Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow.

Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. Can I say something? Yes. It's your podcast. It is. I paid $5 for an iced coffee in this goddamn city.

The city of angels? More like the city of fuckery. What am I doing with my money honey honey five dollars for a nice coffee um i looked at you and i said what five and first of all the pace of life here is great it's it's sort of he doesn't draw for some people no but i'm about to say like I I cannot with these gorgeous these young girls these gorgeous baristas

who spend like 10 12 minutes on an espresso cocktail it's crazy who who

whatever but we will say this if you work in service in LA you are drop dead gorgeous is that because they're all trying to be models, actors, singers

producers you know the glamorous roles in entertainment the producers in LA, you are drop-dead gorgeous. Is that because they're all trying to be models, actors, singers, producers? Yes, the answers, yes. You know, the glamorous roles in entertainment? The producers, yes. The producers are the hottest people in Hollywood. This is something that you don't know about LA. You get here, and it's the producers who have the star quality.

And how can you tell that they're producers? Because they're hot. This is fake, but the other day, I saw Kaley Cuocum on the street. Now, this is fake. Now this is fake. But this is fake. But next to her was her producer

and oh my God, she made Kaley Cuoco look like a dog. And this is fake. And this is fake. Yeah. Okay. Listen,

but you know what's real? Our guests. Our guests. He make me feel mighty real because I feel validated. Yes. And speaking of mighty, well, first of all, what a great segue.

I commend you on your segue. I give myself a seven. Seven. But if you're over a six, it qualifies as great. Yes. Oh, my God. Speaking of mighty, we love him. He's the host of the High and Mighty podcast.

Oh, my God. I didn't even realize I did that. And there you go. He didn't even realize you're on Segway. Oh my God, bitch. If you can't realize you're on Segway, how in the hell are you going to realize someone else is Segway? Can I get an amen?

Amen. And he's the co-host of Raised by TV, gorgeous podcast. With Ms. Lapkus. With Ms. Lapkus. Kamala Lauren. And this guest and we had a little kiki

in the dressing rooms at Clusterfest truly what a beautiful moment we were dressing room neighbors and I always feel a connection to our guests because of our Long Island roots my culture your culture and so please welcome

Amy Schumer Amy Schumer is Amy Schumer. Amy Schumer is here. So let's talk politics. You want to talk about Uncle Chuck? Yeah, Uncle Chuck. Tell us. Tell us.

No, come on. Let's get real. Our guest today is John Gabrus. Oh, guys. Thank you so much for having me on despite my inability to get Lapkus in the room. Listen. It was not about that. No, I know. I tease. But Lauren Lapkus was a

busy girl this week. She was busy. You're telling me. You're telling me. It's a nice reminder of what the career is supposed to be like. But can I put you on blast? Please. So we were in the dressing rooms having a key key. Uh-huh. And I know exactly what that is.

It's a hangout. Okay. I was going to ask what John... Is it spelled Q-I-Q-I? That's so cute. I wish it was.

I wish it was. That's like more LGBT. That is more LGBT. That's more queer. It's more Q. It's more Q. Wow, I forgot the Q. Oh, damn.

It's kiki, K-I-K-I. Yeah, okay. It's less interesting. Kiki, just... Well, I guess we should give the definition. A Kiki is a party. Wait, what? Really? A Kiki is a party for calming all your nerves.

All your nerves. We're spilling tea and giving just desserts when we deserve it. It's when people hang out together and they talk like old friends. Oh, okay. And they do it. We have the vibe. We call it chopping it up. Are you serious?

Some people call that chopping it up. Where? I like to chop it up. I like to get on Last Culture East and chop it up. Are you serious? Some people call that chopping it up. I like to get on Last Culture East and chop it up with the boys. Chop it up with the boys! My buds. I love it. I'm at the water fountain in high school and John Demas is walking over to me

calling me a faggot. This is where it's... That is the masculinity that is a Paul in this room. I feel comfortable. This is, by the way, my move, though, is to do podcasts like this

so I can feel masculine. Oh, yeah, great. I was like, hey, I got called a faggot at the Water Fountain, too. Yes, yes, yes. And I was straight. And now you're high and mighty.

I'm just a little older. Let me just explain why I'll put John Gabrus on blast right now because Lapkus was at a rehearsal working hard, and you got a text from Lapkus that said, where are you? And he was like, I'm having a kiki with the girl. I'm chopping it up with the boys.

I'm having some Greyhounds with Las Culturistas. We were drinking Greyhounds. We earned it. I had a little screwdriver. I don't know about you guys. I think I technically had a screwdriver with some soda water in it. We earned it. I had a little screwdriver. I don't know about you guys. I think I technically had a screwdriver with some soda water in it. Okay, fine. I think Greyhound is grapefruit juice, right?

Yeah, technically, yeah. Yeah. As you can tell by my low level of attractiveness, I've never been a bartender or a barista here. Wait, John, don't you do that. Don't you do that. Are you kidding me? I am kidding. You're a prize.

You'd be a prize. I can show you my DMs right now and tell you that I have a fandom of people with the word cub in their Instagram. Really? So you know the deal. Okay, so how does that make you feel? I mean, are you, do you, is there a discomfort with the way that you're being?

Absolutely flattered. Good. Be honest. I'm serious. Okay, great. Good, then good. Because I don't care. I mean, unattractive women tell me

that they think I'm sexy too. And it's not,'s not the same thing. I'm like. Sure, sure. You know whose type you are? Whose? Michael Hartney. Oh, that makes sense.

I find that it's really funny in the bear world that bears are attracted to other bears. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? It's a community. It's sort of weird narcissistic thing in the backdrop of it all. They're so narcissistic. It's actually rule of culture number 91. Bears are narcissistic.

Cubs? Ugh. No, but like there is, I think, look, I think this, you being here is really going to widen the scope of other cubs seeking out another comedic cub. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So anyway, that's great. Good to know. Cub comic.

Cub comic. That's a riff. On Club Comic. On Club Comic. There you go. And you know it's a good one when you have to tell the audience where you started. Oh, yes. I feel good about it.

And this is actually kind of funny because. Now, let me tell you why this is funny. You know who apparently did that? Oh, Marsha Belsky was telling us that Recently Ricky Gervais was having a talk And he was explaining why all his problematic jokes were funny And everyone was like, you fucking suck! That's so funny

So Gervais So Gervais But yeah, this is a Long Island connection And you have a tattoo of Long Island Yep, it's my only tattoo Oh, look how sunburned I am by the way. I live for it.

Yes! I fucked it up a little bit. That's good. Honestly, my big struggle is that I'll go out and I'll wear t-shirts, tank tops, whatever

and I'll get the really bad tan line that's not attractive. Yes. You know what I mean? That's why you gotta go shirt off as soon as you can. As soon as possible.

If I had, Rodgers, if I had your body, I'd be shirtless so often. Do you? I mean, I am already. And look at my body.

But the thing is like, I'm like a fucking white Rick Ross or like an old Rick Ross. White Rick Ross. White Rick Ross. Actually, he's fitter than I am.

The thing is about the gay community is you're never happy. You're never satisfied. Because the people is you're never happy you're never satisfied because the people that you're attracted to are also you can compare yourselves to that that is hard right and also like i think is this an overgeneralization and you can go you can you can spill tea on me if you are wrong or whatever we will tell you we will spill tea on you we'll top your block because because men are maybe a little shallower or a little more visually stimulated too so like men being attracted to men you're it's you know like that first

impression that looks thing seems even more important well that's what i know no you're right like that that's pretty on point like like gay culture well like the sexual aspect of being gay is like the patriarchy turning in on itself it's like oh we we're we want to fuck and that's sort of like for some people like yeah currency because it's urge driven because men are just like i think with my dick like i think that that causes them to make like decisions and like it allows them to like get on grinder and be like no fats no fems no asians right i have a dick that's telling me what to do and guess what i'm up front about it yeah and not a lot of dudes would be turned off by someone who said that because it's like i i'm a guy because yeah right because they're like i feel the same

way and it's like it's sort of like a racism just like wild like like i don't know it's it's crazy the apps are crazy i am a big proponent that everyone should delete the apps the apps are apps are a weird situation because as someone who's like i found my part i started dating my wife when i was 20 yeah i'm still with her 15 years later and uh yeah oh don't remind me it's just a bigger bigger chunk of my life every year you know like because the equation goes up and uh but like if we were to try to meet on apps she has a couple of traits about her that I would have written off. Yeah.

Not knowing her. Sure. You know, or you would be like, for example, women on apps, they want to date a guy who's six feet tall or over five foot ten or whatever. Right, right. And everyone like you might be missing out on someone who's five, eight and a half. Right. Like I'm not I never wanted a like growing up and still to this date like makeup is not a big thing to me but it is a huge thing to my wife yeah and i was like

if i were just swiping on an app i'd be like she seems difficult and she is difficult but in like the best way possible right but i would not know that if i didn't give my chance a chance to get to know her yeah so i feel like if you're swiping and you're just like i don't really like like light-skinned guys or whatever and you're just like you're like you don't know what if that guy what if i think you should be okay with five things being wrong with your partner absolutely i love that because we all have things wrong with us so i might as well be like hey look bowen is my type but it's weird that he does he does this for a living and it's like you know what that's one of the five things i gotta be okay with right i don't want a performer for a husband. Well, it's like wait and find out.

Maybe you do. My favorite thing is when there's a profile that comes up and it's like, if you have a headshot, forget it. Okay, so unpack that. Oh, you're talking about this is for other people. Like apps, I'll go through and it's like, and it will say, like, I'll be like, oh, this person looks interesting. And it says, they'll be like, if you have a headshot, keep it moving. Like, I don't want to date an actor. I don't want to date a comedian.

I don't want to date someone in showbiz. But like, guess what, honey? A lot of businessmen, real estate people, they get headshots. Yeah. And I feel like I get why someone might not want to date an actor or a comedian. I totally understand that. But again, isn't that an overgeneralization? Totally.

Yeah. Because it's like, of course, I know what the negative aspects of dating an actor are. I have been demonstrating them for a decade. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But why not just be like, well, what if this actor is cool? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or perfect for me in every other way except that. Because I feel like the same thing goes the other way where creative types are like, I want a partner who's like a creative person.

I want someone who works in the creative field and then it's like you can meet someone who uh scratches all those creative itches but they could be a real estate right everyone contains multitudes the good thing is i think we're wow everyone contains multitudes the good thing is that um we are i think we're in like a post app world where it's like where the pendulum is like a post-app world where it's like. Where the pendulum is swinging back the other way. Where it's like, or it's just apps are like a thing of the past where it's like now people are hooking up through DMs alone. DMs are a thing now.

Oh, sliding into the DMs makes sense because then it's sort of more open. Yeah. Also now I think we're at the point, I agree with you because I think I think now we're at the point where a lot of people are having these conversations about the apps. Where the apps suck. Yeah, now the narrative is apps aren't cool. And that's the number one thing, is people just want to be cool.

I feel like apps are for fucking, right? It feels like. Not even anymore. Well, this is a thing. Apps are for like. I missed apps completely. Right, right. And they're sunsetting, it's fine.

But apps now are for like, and I love this this is great for people who make this work but apps are for like a gen daddy which means like he wants to like

spoil you and pay you it's like for very specific niche things where someone can approach you without any sort of we don't have to hide who they are

or what they're into where it's like I'm looking for blank do you want to be the other end of that puzzle piece exactly can you piss on me and do this and all this stuff yeah how much have you been walking today great what are you how big are your feet it's like which is you know cool for some people but yeah yeah now we're now we're in this post-op app world space where everyone's like

um oh i will slide into your dms because I like your Instagram and let's fuck. Which I can support. I can support that because that's dialogue, right? If Instagram is the new bar that everyone happens to be hanging out in. Yeah, there you go. Literally everyone is at this bar. Everyone's at this bar, it's so crowded.

And you can go back through and you can see if they have a highly curated Instagram or if they have like, look, they seem to hang out with friends. Yeah. They take pictures of other things besides themselves. Yeah. And the verified people are like out on the back patio. Yeah.

And there's like a really like nasty bouncer that's like, no, bitch. Yeah. The back patio was formerly called Raya. Yeah. How'd you meet your wife? Communications principles. A communications 101. And what a fitting place to meet a partner right communications principles i weaseled my way into her group because she was

hot and she had like some hot friends in the group with her and i was 19 you were like any of you i'm like the dude exactly i'm like the dude in pajama pants who shows up to class and i'm like i think i'm van wilder but really i'm going to have liver issues in the day. And I just saw her and she had like this will date it too since it'll put it at like 2002. She had like a studded belt and black chucks and like a Voltron t-shirt or whatever and I was like yes.

You might be the one. And not to mention a great ass and tits. She still has the Voltron shirt and the ass and tits. The belt is the Voltron shirt and the ass and tits. There you go. But the belt is gone. The belt is gone. The belt had to go.

The belt you can use as a prop. Oh, the belt is still in play. Yeah, it's still in the apartment. We don't wear it per se. So you guys were in New York for how long? We, after college, we moved in together.

Like a year after college we moved in i lived with some guy friends for a little bit just because i knew we were gonna move in together eventually and that'll be it so i was like let me do one time living with dudes and i like lived with two guys was it even worth it no not at all not at all in my head i had the image i was ready to move out but because my my family i have I have a harder time getting along with my family than my wife did with her family. So I was like, I need to move out sooner. She wasn't financially ready,

but she expected me to wait for her. And I kind of was like, let me do one year with some friends. And it was the hardest part of our relationship. She's living at her mom's house in Westchester. I'm living in Brooklyn in a loft with some friends. It's all new to me. I went from a college dorm to my mom's house to that. And then I was like,

moved in with my wife and I was like, Oh, and another dude, some Brooklyn ass shit right there. Three people living in a two bedroom. Yeah. A thruple. Thruppy.

A devil's living situation. One toilet, three humans. Yeah. Brutal. Oh yeah. When everyone shits in the same spot uh i would like for my life to shit into my own place yeah it doesn't have to be a toilet

it's your you take a claim on where you shed yeah i now have one and a half baths in my house and in my apartment and it's a goddamn dream yeah we can we can stay together forever now wow well especially because she's a makeup uh focused person she's a get ready her getting ready process is a long time and it's that's something i had to uh resolve to to deal with yeah over the years i've learned to cope because i'm a uh anxious when running late you can tell if you listen to the voicemail i left your producer i heard because when i'm late, I get so panicky. And I don't even care if someone runs late on me.

You can be 20 minutes late to meet me. But if I'm five minutes late to meet you, I'm in the car going, fuck. And I don't know what it is. I think it's because my dad was German or some shit. And I'm so stressed. And I'm like, Brett, you know the fucking parking lot is closed, man. And he's like, oh, I found another one. He did.

Like one minute later, I was like, oh, like oh i found another one he did like one minute later i was like oh wait here's another one brow was furrowed the whole time he was like i was panicked yeah honestly i just don't want anyone to think i'm rude i mean unless i am choosing that i'm the same way as you i'm the same way as you don't care if someone else is late i will i will be as chill as hell about that and the thing is being with him in la is funny because like i've kind of made the decision like it's okay if we're late with him in la is funny because like i've kind of made the decision like it's okay if we're late because that's la yeah and 11 like you know 10 after is like on time that's what i was saying and bowen when when we call our lifts bowen will be running

into the street like he's running into traffic several times and i'm like no no it doesn't work like that here they're gonna pull over yeah and don't slow down i had to like pull him back and i said we said yesterday he was like what if you watched me get hit by a car i said i would look down at your ass and said i told you bitch yeah i i don't i don't know i don't know if i i'm like it's like that pace of life thing i was talking yeah no it's different it's different i know you guys are still young though right how old we're still really young very young 27 28 yeah so because i always i now with hindsight being 36 i have a little bit of new york in your 20s la in your 30s do you feel that's the way it works because i was ready for the pay shift i didn't realize it at the time because i was so new york centric and then moving here i was like

oh i kind of like that everyone is stoned and dumb you know it is i think overall it's a a dumber city yeah or at least uh less of a priority put on intelligence yeah or demonstrating intelligence in any capacity right like you get in uh the f train in new york and everyone's got books and and and then you get in a car in la and everyone's screaming and blasting music and driving like fucking lunatics. Yeah, no, they drive crazy here. They drive crazy here.

But here's the thing. There is a theater of New York performing New York when you're in New York. It's like you go on the F train, everyone has a book. It's like, oh, I guess this is what New York is. And then when you come here, it's like, oh no, everyone's just on their own.

On their own sort of wavelength, whatever, like cadence come here it's like oh no everyone's just on their own yeah on their own sort of wavelength whatever like cadence and it's great and like you don't feel guilty wasting a day not wasting but like spending a day just smoking and like yeah playing video games la has like that weird thing where you don't have to actually like new one time once someone said to me is like i'm like yo people in la dress crazy and they're like that's because there's not going to be a 15 year old black kid on the subway going what the fuck are you wearing you know what i mean you're not gonna get roasted by high school kids because you're in your car you get out of your car you go immediately to the vegan restaurant then you get back into your car yeah you're in new york it's like you can't dress like a true freak because you got to like kind of walk nine blocks and whatever but here in la you can have like eight inch platform, Chuck Taylor's.

And it's like, that's reasonable. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Give me a platform track. Yeah. Well,

you've been into your platforms lately. Yeah. Um, but they're, they're, they're cheap and dumb. I brought so many looks to LA. Like I thought like,

I'll bring, I'll have something good to wear every single day. Nobody fucking cares. You can things about LA. You guys need to learn. You can literally wear whatever you want, wherever you want. It's literally like, what kind of place is this? And it's like, some got, somebody's going to learn. You can literally wear whatever you want, wherever you want. It's literally like, what kind of place is this?

And it's like, somebody's going to be there in a tank top. A woman's going to have visible nipples and someone else is going to be in a tux. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They all get served the same food or alcohol. And the other thing is you can create the climate. You dress for whatever weather you want. Like if you're like, I'm going to throw on a cardigan. It's like, it might just be cool enough for a cardigan. Or you might be a little warm. Or you could be like, I'm gonna throw on a cardigan. It's like,

it might just be cool enough for a cardigan or you might be a little warm or you could be like, I'm gonna wear shorts and a tank top today and it might be a little cool, but you can just like call it. Dang. Yeah, because it's a dry heat. Sure.

You know what I mean? Speaking of wardrobe choices, I'm looking at two products of Long Island, glorious Long Island masculinity wearing tank tops boots the house down and like maybe a denim sneaker

no Chuck Taylor's on on John and then some like a comparable denim sneaker on there oh yeah a little denim van talk about

let's bring up Long Island okay I have a theory about this the gay community if you go to like a gay club it's so funny to watch how everyone is dressed because we're all dressing up like our high school bullies.

Like we have like the backwards, like literally like, not that you were a bully. I don't know you in high school. Maybe you were a bully. You guys would have gotten along. I could be both. I was a bully,

but not to gay people. I was a bully to everyone. But also I was a member of the gay straight alliance 99 you know that's early 99 that's pretty crazy to be the one straight kid in there and also you are the kind of person where it's like i bet like everyone was like that is like a really good guy because like because it's so true like when straight men are like they get it yeah like oh we have we're graded on such a curve yeah you're like if you're a white straight male who's like yeah well you know actually stonewall was they're like everyone's like holy shit look at this fucking guy he should give the speech at the event yeah it's like he has

a black friend he said yeah honestly he gets the leader he gets his own float in a parade yeah yeah it's such that's how low the bar is for allyship amongst fucking you know white fuck yeah but we celebrate it we love it it's true though i mean like my best friend in high school kenny like i was so nervous about telling him that i was gay that i didn't make it through it i started to cry and he was and he just like how old were you when you uh 19 oh and he like gave me a hug i was like it's okay i know and it was just like i how old were you when you, uh, 19. Oh. And I, and he like gave me a hug. I was like, it's okay. I know. And it was just like, I'll never forget like that experience,

but it meant so much to me. I think because like, well, he was, he was who he was to me, but also like being like a straight guy. It's like, I know that you guys don't have to accept us and like love us. And you could just keep on living your life.

You know what I mean? That's, I think it doesn't affect affect you it doesn't affect him or at least that's the mentality at the time it's like the thing is like I'm taking a huge risk here by like literally being myself and it doesn't affect you know straight dudes

so that's like a I think that's that's something that's like in us which you know I don't know I don't know how the kids feel nowadays I don't dress like my bullies i dress like my fucking self anyway well you're the hardest bully you've ever dealt with oh it's been yourself wow he you just really nailed it fucking you do you bully yourself i do um talk about dressing like your uh bullies the other day i sunday i was outside my apartment.

I live in West Hollywood, smoking a joint, and I was in my traditional housewear, which is a tank top, short flower print shorts, sockless shoes of some sort, a backwards hat, and seven dudes start walking down my block, all dressed exactly like me. And I'm like, literally, it looks like we are a group of cartoon dogs

you know what I mean like we're a cartoon cast about like surfers who you know got gained weight or whatever and I was just like all these like big dudes stocky muscular guys and I'm walking by and I'm smoking a joint and I'm waving to them and I'm like kind of like hey look at our outfits and I'm like oh my god I'm flirting with 8 giga dudes

and it all came back it was like the pride parade they were walking back to their car and I'm like who are these bros what's up guys oh nevermind put it all together

and they were like hey but that's how it should be I know it's so awesome I was like well fuck we'll fuck I talked about this let's fuck I talked about this

on another podcast once but I just want to say the bear community has done so much for my fashion you know fashion because now there's cool clothes that come you can get short shorts and a 42 waist now and i think it's because big dudes are started dressing like that and for a straight guy who's always dressed like a gay dude i just never had gay dude bodies i was like this is so fucking awesome yeah yeah love it that's

body positivity in the community. Sure. Although, oh my God. I have to read this. Hold on, I have to pull up this into Headline. And this is me being shady, but whatever. And while he's doing that, I want to ask, when did you get the tattoo?

I got this tattoo at 35, last Christmas. Okay, so it's recent. It's recent. It's my first tattoo. Me and both my brothers, we all got them together. You all got them together. And it's a large one. It's a big one. It's about the size of my whole bicycle earthquake in nassau oh he is making it move earthquake in nassau wow the world is changing that might be very real soon god forbid that's why i've always loved this is so stupid but i always loved living on long island

because i was like i mean no natural disaster can like really get us yeah except for like a huge tsunami like her well could a tsunami happen there i don't i don't know how it works the way Long Island because I was like, I mean, no natural disaster can really get us. Yeah, except for a huge tsunami. Well, could a tsunami happen there? I don't know how it works. The way I read it was like there was no fault lines in that ocean. So we were kind of safe from a tsunami. But then we had Sandy. Until Sandy happened and I was like, oh no, we can get turn up. Think you've seen it all? I don't think you've been a good friend to me lately. We're friends like that. Who needs enemies?

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I'm paying $150 to a car service because gas is still not able to get anywhere. Paying $150 to take me to JFK from Brooklyn and I'm driving out of the city, leaving the city. I have like pots and pans in my suitcase with my wife, a dog in our lap. And the city is black. There's no lights on.

It's like a five. And I'm like, this is an insane way to say goodbye. Yeah, it was wild. Yeah. Well, that's how you know you got to go. You lived in Red Hook? Yeah, like Carroll Gardens, Red Hook border. Oh, I worked at Brooklyn Crab.

Did you? Yeah, I worked there for four years. Holy shit. Hold on. We have. Yeah. I guarantee we have. Do you know the Roblum? Rob? Roblum? Yeah, I worked there for four years. Holy shit. Hold on. We have- I guarantee we have- Do you know the Roblum?

Rob? Roblum? Oh, Rob. Rob. Wait, who built the place? Built the place. Yeah. He's an old-

Do you know Justin Tyler from New York? Yeah, of course. Because you guys did- I was on Characters Welcome. Oh, awesome. We all met. I met y'all- Back at Brawl?

No. No, at that weird Comedy Central pilot I should say Yes yes You guys came over Right Yeah yeah yeah And I was so pumped to have met you

That was a fun day I didn't even know you guys were UCB guys at the time too And then it came up and I was like Oh shit We have so many mutual friends

But Justin Tyler and I were old friends with Rob because we all lived in that neighborhood in the Carroll Wow I've been to Brooklyn Crab a bunch probably before

Honestly yeah Wait Rob built the building? Well he He was like a co-owner co-manager. Oh, cool. He's got some title there. Yeah, yeah.

This guy. And he was always like, I never really knew how to interact with him. But then later on, we kind of knew how to talk to each other. Just assume he's shit-faced. That's the best way to deal with him. But always, whenever there was a structural problem with the building, everyone was like, well, Rob built it. He's good.

He owns his own restaurant now in like- Yeah, yeah. Oh, great. Like a, what's the neighborhood? Fort Greene. I think he owns his own seafood restaurant. Yeah, yeah. That's awesome.

A lot's changed there over the past two years. They went through a couple general managers, but I think it's on its way. Sarah Grace Wellborn works there. Sarah Grace. Yeah, another UCB gal. Yeah, another UCB gal. I got her the job,

and then they kept her for the winter and not me, and I was like, well, I'm never coming back. What kind of business does it do in the winter? Shitty. Yeah, I can imagine. But the summer is popping off all day. Popping off. Open to close.

The amount of money they probably rake into that place. Oh, cornhole. Literally. And it's good for everybody. You know what I mean? It's fun. It's really fun. It's good for like-

You can get shit face there. You can also take your kid there. Yeah, absolutely. And there's like so many different levels. Well, this is a big, I guess, ad for Brooklyn Crab. Check it out. So here's the fucking deal. When I get back in there,

and I don't know if anyone from the place listens, like the managerial staff, but I still want my employee discount as a result. There you go. You're an ambassador. Yeah. What did you pull up? Okay, so we were talking about body positivity.

I just, whatever. Maybe I'll get some shit for this. But this, okay. So there for this but um this this okay so there's this twitter account i follow um and she and and they tweeted um no t or shadow but what do any of these words mean and it's this into headline that says thickness is getting co-opted by the mask muscular gays gay body fascism and the gentrification of body positivity and it's like and this is this is like another queer this is a queer account being like, what the fuck are you talking?

Like, like John, like you got to know that like, there is this, like there, there is some degree of infighting in the gay community where it's like, you gotta like get off this. Look,

just because it can be a headline doesn't mean it should be. Well, and the guy, and the guy who wrote this article also is a, is a great comedian, but he confused me and Joel Kim Booster. He introduced Joel Kim Booster once at a show by saying this guy's great he's on the sketch group called pop roulette oh no please welcome to the stage joel kombuster so i'm like okay well

that's where we're at no anyway but like that happens all the time oh i'm assuming yeah i i get confused for john gemberling all the time oh but yeah yeah you and gemberling i'm sure are always confused i'm not'm not saying that's allowed. And three times, like several times. And that's racist. That's racist. And several times, we've been, most recently, this last pilot season,

it was down to the two of us. Damn. Lead in the NBC pilot. No. Did he book? Yeah, he booked. You know what that means? It'll open up the doors for something else.

I know, that's all I keep saying. The joke is, because it's happened now like two or three times, the joke is I'm like, I need you to get a show that goes two seasons, so the next pilot season you're not available. I felt like that about, he definitely doesn't feel this way about me, because who cares, but like Tarver, I'm so happy he's going to work now, because it cancels him in the equation.

Are you kidding me? The gays in New York are just picking up the crumbs that were left behind when John, like, moved to LA. John Early. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

They'll tell me sometimes. They'll be like, yeah, oh my God, we're so happy to have you. John couldn't do it. I'll take it. Yep. Booked something where

I looked through the script and I was like, where's my part? And then it was literally, the name was, John Early says this. And I was like, oh, cool, great.

I'll be like, John Early couldn't do it. And then Cole Sc Scola couldn't do it and then Joel Kim Booster couldn't do it and then Bowen Yang couldn't do it and then Josh Sharp couldn't do it and then Aaron Jackson couldn't do it so we thought oh my god we love Matt Rogers you're allowed to love 10 comedians that's why I don't want to know I'm the 10th but I'm happy to be part of it

I shot this thing with Lena Dunham. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. For Funny or Die, it was like she did a rap for the Hillary campaign, which is why she lost. You were like, why can't John Early be available?

Why do I have to be in this fucking thing? But they like... By the way, that... She was great, though. Can you imagine saying that sentence to like a cousin from Tennessee? I was actually in a video with Lena Dunham where she rapped about Hillary Clinton.

They would hate it. Wait, actually, can I just say, Tina Fey made this joke once. She was giving some speech at a breakfast, like a variety of women in Hollywood breakfast. And she goes, this was right after election, and she goes, you know, it's really tough. We're going through

a tough time now and like, you know, I just think like Hillary would have won if we had just had one more music video of a celebrity rapping

about Hillary and it was like, so true. She must be talking about someone specific. But literally, it's like, is that spilling tea

by the way? That is spilling the tea. Well, here's the thing, spilling the tea is just telling the truth yes spilling tea isn't like burning someone necessarily yeah what i mean that's reading them okay burning someone is reading yeah exactly like when you go out like you're burnt by that person like they've been read yes yes read them to filth um i love this i think i think I can't wait to bring this back to all my nearly 40-year-old straight friends and explain it.

Can I tell you something? I think, I think Gabrus is, I think we should start handing out an award, another award here at Lost Culture East us. Wow. Ally of the Year. Ally of the Year. And Gabrus, I think Gabrus is our recipient.

Ally of the Year. John Gabrus. I knew it would be him, though. Of course. Yeah. I'm not surprised. No, GSA member 99. Come on, that's crazy. That's great. John Gabrus I knew it would be him of course yeah I'm not surprised no GSA member 99

come on that's crazy that's great I mean especially because like even doing that you had to have everyone saying you are a faggot yes

yeah crazy that was part of the fun for me though was sort of like trolling them yeah it was kind of like well if you're gonna call these guys the F word

I'm going to stand there and take it alongside them. Also, I feel like too at the time, because it was 99, the GSA was made up of maybe just also a more broader thing than gay. It was more like these people feel not at home. They don't feel comfortable here at school. Because there was people who I'm like, in hindsight, I'm like, I don't think that woman was gay as much as she was goth you know exactly but the crossover there is big i'm sure yeah yeah especially now with like all the all the the letters like you know i'm sure there was an umbrella we were all covered under what high school was that that was mepum high school

mepum wow belmar merrick central high school district yes i went to icelip oh you did i grew up in freeport my parents both went to freeport high. Yes. I went to Islip. Oh, you did. I grew up in Freeport. My parents both went to Freeport High School. Well, my mom went to Freeport High School. My dad would have gone if he had gone to high school. That's the kind of WT I'm from. This is my favorite thing about being from Long Island. It's like, you're like, where are you from?

And someone says a town. And then I say a town. And then we go, oh, yeah, we know that town. We call it Jewish geography. Yeah. Jewish geography. You're from Islip? Oh you know brad yeah i love brad love brad of course that's my mom uh i was in vegas took my mom uh me and my wife my uh my mom and her friend we went to the like the restaurant in the eiffel tower because we're staying at the paris we went to the fake eiffel tower restaurant the sommelier there happens to listen to

Comedy Bang Bang and High and Mighty and knows me and he's so excited and he's like I just want to introduce myself blah blah blah and then I was like

oh that's so nice he leaves my mom doesn't react at all a stranger came up to me in a suit and said he was in Paris and shook my hand all this was in Paris

mom this is Paris and then he leaves and the woman comes over and she goes he was so nervous to talk to you. He was being so cute backstage. I'm like,

oh, back in the backstage. Backstage. Such an actor. In the kitchen. Yeah. I still call, when I played sports,

I called rugby practice rehearsal once and I was roasted for a year. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's going to get you called that for. I was like, what time's rehearsal? And they were like,

all right, boy. You are in trouble. And she's like, and he's from Long Island too and my mom goes he's from long island get him out here and then he comes and then my mom goes where are you from and he says some town and she's like is so-and-so still the music teacher there he was and he was like i don't think so and my mom was like that's weird because i think he's i think he's still there

and i'm like she didn't react at all to her son getting recognized. Yeah. But she's going apeshit over the fact that she's playing Jewish geography with a random sommelier. Long Island people are very proud to be from Long Island. You know what I mean? What is that? If they're still there. Right. A lot of people who leave.

It took me a while to gain the pride. I want to do good PR for Long Island. Because there's a... It is... Tim Dillon one time, another Long Island comedian, he one time said, 30 minute subway, 30 years behind. 30 minute train ride,

30 years behind. Whoa. Because it's so close to Manhattan, you would think it would be more progressive. It's really not. But it is people who choose not to go to Manhattan.

Right. Despite living 30 minutes away from it. And that blows my, like, my family will be like, it's too much traffic. It's like,

it's fucking Long Island has traffic. This is New York City. There's the fucking Natural History Museum is here. The Met, the MoMA, like that's in New York City. You can go to that.

You go to, name any food or bar you want to try. It's there. And they're still like, no, I like the seafood place in my hometown. All right. Well then what can you do?

I don't know. I definitely like, I didn't realize this growing up and then afterwards like i kind of was like oh wow that was actually really hard to grow up there not not not hard to go up there hard to go up there and be different right you know what i mean yeah it's because it's it's blue collar in like in like a prideful way yeah you know even though even though maybe maybe the person's a dentist or a hedge fund operator manager or whatever and now they make they have a million dollar home or whatever right but their parents were probably electricians or irish or italian immigrants of some sort or jewish whatever and so they are have that weird blue collar attitude and i think that can have a

negative side to it too of just sort of, I don't fucking want this fancy shit. Fucking, oh, you know, chicken on pizza, having sex with men, you know, I don't want to do it.

That's all. Chicken on pizza, having sex with men. I feel like the people who like. Chicken on pizza, having sex with men is the title of this episode. Oh my God. I like chopping the block.

Chopping the, chopping the. Chopping it up. Chopping it up. I'm sorry. It's chopping it up. I'm sorry. Chopping it up. I'm sorry. Chopping it up is the title.

Yes. Okay. You know what's insane? Watching the same people who liked, liked Bill Clinton become the people who liked Donald Trump. 100%. And it is just because they were the white male choice on both sides. Right.

And, right. And also I do think it's the blue collar people. They, they, they, they've, people they Hillary lost them. Yeah, Trump is huge in my family because of

casinos. And all my family and the people I know who are into Trump are, before they became close-minded bigots, anti-immigration that shit didn't even matter to a lot of these people I know. They were just excited that someone who they knew,

who's from New York, who makes a bunch of money, and despite the fact that he doesn't, like we finally, a business like that shit, a businessman is running America. It's like he was a businessman who burned businesses to the ground and he got money out of it. Yeah, that's so funny.

That was such a narrative too in high school when Mitt Romney was running and he was going to be the nominee. Everyone was like, you know, the country needs to be run like a business. And I'm like, wow, your parents are like really brainwashed you with that. Yeah, it's great. And then people are so adamant or so anti-Hillary or so pro this idea of Trump business that when he got elected, they just adopted other ideas of theirs that they never even had before. Right. Yeah.

You're not so Christian relatives who are conservative all of a sudden are like Christian, have like these weird Christian values that I'm like, you're just reiterating. You're like, cause you don't have to just wholeheartedly adopt every belief. You can be like, look,

I, I like this Trump thing. I like the tax breaks i love that i'm rich and getting richer but let's let mexicans live here yeah like you can do that there seems to be no greater no you have to like you have to swallow the whole pill and you i'm just rambling now i'm on my second coffee i realize same actually but when you were saying like that weird headline where inside the gay community people are still like nitpicking you see that shit amongst liberals too right oh you can't back kamala harris she said this

five years ago you're like none of that on the other side yeah just none of that exactly and where i'm like i don't think this is the time for us to like be hemming and hawing of like we're not going to build the perfect candidate that scratches all the liberal itches because we're all too fractured. And because we're so like, well, that's Bowen's belief. So let's support that. That's Matt's belief. That's Gabrus' belief.

Let's all support those. We can't go, Bowen, shut the fuck up. We need a person who can win right now. Right. Or if you do say that, then it's like, how dare you? Yeah. And that is a little. Snowflaking.

Oh. Yes. You know what I mean? That is this kind of thing of... I don't even really know. But I just feel like... I would feel more confident going forward if there was someone we could all agree on.

And the thing is, there are so many good choices. There are so many people that I feel like could go up against Donald Trump. And I can't believe we're going to watch him campaign again like that when he would the day he won i was like what i'm so scared of is like that we're gonna all have to watch this again oh like and it's gonna get worse because if they put kamala harris up there you know i don't know what he's gonna say and also kirsten gillibrand that he's gonna like make comments about her voice you know what i mean you can just see and that's what sucks is like everyone that we have as an option i'm

thinking to myself how is he gonna be horrible to that person right i think we need to like and look i'm all for whoever can win can win yeah so i'm you know i'm open to whatever person we need but part of me thinks like we need to fight alpha with alpha yeah you know what I mean and be like another alpha Gavin Newsom get like some fucking street tough training and be like you know some sort but again I don't know anything everyone is gonna have a problem with somebody with somebody it's almost like we're in a huge street fight and we keep getting mad at each other for bumping into each other yeah you know what I mean exactly we're like we're being surrounded by the other team,

and we're fist fighting, and then we bump into each other, and it's like, can you please stay over there? You know, and it's like, well, guys, we're gonna, she's gonna hit the fan ASAP. Let's just make sure we beat the other guys. Guys, we were all supposed to be

in the same shade of blue. Right, exactly. It's like arguing about the techniques. No, you are in eggshell. Eggshell blue. Robin eggshell. Robin eggshell blue robin eggshell robin eggshell oh i made a mistake oh no you didn't there are no mistakes retroactively we'll just make that the truth yeah you know when they said that oprah like when she made the speech at the golden globes and everyone was like oprah will be president i literally said to myself i was like maybe she's

the only person that is the answer to that's why people that's why the enthusiasm was there yeah and i well because everyone who can argue with like her what she's done like i mean it does feel like the answer to trump right it scares me it scares me though like what we may find out about her if she were to go oh my god you know what i mean i can't have one strike against her in any way like i can't know anything bad it would hurt too bad like and also if she were to lose, that would feel, I think, even worse than it would lose. How do you recover from that? Right, right.

It's not worth it for her. No, no. And she knows that. I truly don't think it was ever an option. Yeah. She should just come out there and back somebody hard and go in. But then there's the thing.

Like we said about Lena Dunham, it's like... I think Lena should run. Lena should run oh my god yeah that would be a weird like sort of sacrificial lamb let's put her up early and just have her get thank you for taking all the slings and arrows for us she's a republican she might she would probably win that would be awesome she should we should fucking go troll we should go troll on these guys honestly they fucking that's how they won their way trolled their fucking way into the white house he is a good bully he's a fantastic bully he's very good at being a bully such a shithead yeah

yeah he's very good at like i feel like i know your weakness and i'm gonna just keep saying it until other people are saying it yeah god All you had to say was the word emails. All you had to say was the word emails. Well, he's still like that. And it was Pavlovian. Like, no one on the left is saying collusion. Like, that's not even what Mueller is after. Right, right.

But he just keeps saying no collusion, no collusion. Now that's a phrase. Sure, because Republicans are too stupid to say obstruction of justice in one sentence, just in general. Also, the thing – we just talked about this the other day, but honestly, like you can't even – I think almost think there are so many controversies almost on purpose because it's like you can't even remember one of them anymore. There's so much bullshit every single day. Yeah, it's a needle in a stack of needles yeah yeah like uh i feel the same way like you know saying something problematic on a podcast or on a tweet can get you fired or unhired from something like as for most people yeah i feel like i've said enough pseudo problematic

things that it's sort of like everything else gets put under the umbrella of like well what are we gonna do like he's got 300 hours of podcast content where he's got stupid views yeah yeah i think trump is like the peak version of that where you're like yeah well are we gonna do he's got 300 hours of podcast content where he's got stupid views yeah yeah i think trump is like the peak version of that where you're like yeah well are we really gonna get mad at him for this because he just did this thing that was worse yesterday and he's gonna do a worse thing tomorrow and we didn't do anything then yeah it's weird you can get fully fired for one bad tweet but you can do thousands of bad things and everyone's like well that's what it is yeah you can't you can't be if you're super can't have a hundred percent you can't get a 97 on the test you can either get a hundred or you

can get a zero a thousand times right you know what i'm truly and i'm gonna admit to something i'm truly horrified at is like the enthusiasm my own enthusiasm of like activism just like getting out there and like doing doing and doing the work has just tanked in the last three months. Because you get tired. And that's what it is. It's truly fatigue. I'm with you.

I'm so burnt out. I would watch Matter or listen to the podcast version every single night and be with it. And now I'm just like, oh, what? Oh, New York is...

Well, because it feels futile. It feels futile. You get blue balls. Yeah, yeah. Because you're like, honestly, and also you have to remember that's also an industry. oh new york is well because it feels futile feels futile you get blue balls yeah yeah because you're like honestly and also you have to remember that's also an industry so they want you to keep watching so they so she says watch this space watch this space and it's like we are watching the space nothing is happening and so it's almost like every day since he's been elected they've been promising that it's going to end and it's like this is what's going to what it's going to

be this is what it's going to be. We're exhausted on it now. And they won't get advertising if they say, look, it's going to be a slow fucking grind. We're going to leak out some information over the course

of the next few years. Hopefully we can trip this guy and his cronies up. But instead they go, tomorrow. We have tax returns and it's like a pay. That was upsetting.

That was a very upsetting. That was bad. I was like, well, I'm pumping the brakes on Maddow for a while after that i was like you you used us she knew you know i felt i felt used in that moment i felt like yeah you fucking snake oiled me you said like i've got the cure for what you're feeling right now tune in tonight and it was like try this yeah mean, the only good thing that came out of that

was that she was able to get everyone to watch at the same time and explain very cogently, like, okay, these are the things that have happened that have led up to this. But yeah, I'm just here to say I feel a certain amount of guilt with that fatigue, which is so dumb and layered. But it's like you think back on the day after he got inaugururated the week after the muslim ban and then all of us going to

jf like in new york going to jfk or people go to lax like like i don't know what i don't know if there's going to be another thing that's going to like ignite that same passion and like on like a mass level i know and i don't know like it seems every time it seems like, well, if it's not, if it's banning people from arriving in the country, that's all. If it's making Mexicans build a wall, if it's separating parents from their children at the border. And it's like, all this shit keeps coming out. And you're like, this has to be the thing. And then it's just sort of like, next thing you know, it's a month later. And then you start to feel fatigue.

So when you're like, Michael Cohen's been indicted or whatever, you're like, okay, well, nothing's going to happen. And then you start to feel fatigue so when you're like uh michael cohen's been indicted or whatever you're like okay well nothing's gonna happen and then you you talk about the guilt with fatigue i've started to get so far around that where i feel guilt with the bullshit that i do for a living oh yeah you know what i mean where i'm like i can't be at the protest on a saturday because i have to go do a show or whatever and i'm like this is awful also i don't have enough free weekends to be a full-time activist. It seems crazy. And then also, I just saw people chemically change before the election and after the election. Especially a lot of comics, too.

All of a sudden, what they were talking about exclusively was political stuff. And I'm like, actually, maybe this is what you're supposed to do. And it's like, how do you say that to someone but like you really get a sense that they might be more useful like that right and then I did see a lot of them land at jobs where they can be politically active and I saw that with a few people like yeah buddies who ended up at like pod save America yeah or like this is the job I need right now yeah there's some great folks working at Samantha Bee which I think it's exactly where they're supposed to be right but like you know what I mean it's just like you know it was a confusing time it threw i we just talked about this actually the world just

felt differently before and after like it was like a 9-11 situation it was like the chemistry changed like it was just darkness it was weird but then there's also like an odd like hunger games kind of thing to it now where it's like what side are you on you know and it's like yeah it used to you're not used to not even ask and now you're like no one wants conservatives super conservatives don't want to deal with super liberals super liberals don't want to deal with super conservatives and that's why going to long island is so hard because you bring it back to the island i had for the first like 26 years of my life just like loved everyone from for for there like if they were had different

views it was just like not it didn't really matter because at the end of the day we weren't just loved everyone for their, if they had different views, it was just not, it didn't really matter because at the end of the day, we weren't gonna die if Mitt Romney was elected president. You know what I mean? It would have been fine. It would have been hard,

but it would have been fine. And we lived through George Bush and there were differences in opinions and yes, that was a very dark time and it felt bad, but when you understand that someone supports Trump and then you start talking to them about it and you realize, oh, this isn't going to be as simple as me

expressing my feelings and them expressing our feelings and us getting to a place. It's like when you understand that there are ideological lived in differences between these people that you loved so much and still love in many ways. Your sibling, like someone you grew up next to and you're like i thought we had the same exact point of view on on our fellow people you know like uh or your in-laws you're like oh okay well how do you feel i get like some element of what you're feeling because you're just we have a different life you're from like a little bit more of a hick up here in upstate new york or whatever yeah but why the fuck like how does how do you expand all the way how do you get like

how do you bring in that other part of you where yeah because there's always it's always bubbling on long island too where it's like when your uncle said i don't know that place gets a little dark on the weekends you're like oh you don't realize what they're talking about at first and then you're like wow okay you felt good enough to say that yeah yeah you felt comfortable enough to say that and then now you're like you feel like these people are just getting more and more emboldened i'm like if that's what they were saying in 95 what are they saying now oh they're lit up first of all i put on a red hat this morning and i was like can i even wear this in los angeles it's a surf shop corduroy hat but i got panicked and i was like i can't wear a red hat i'm a fat white guy with a

red hat on i'm gonna fucking get a macha thrown at me i have i have an 11 year old cousin and right before the election my mom was like babysitting him and he's in the back of the car and they're driving somewhere and he starts talking about Hillary, and he called her a murderer. And like was going in about how you know Hillary is a murderer. This is an 11-year-old kid. And I'm like, this is what's really fucked up. It's passed down. You can just casually pass down to your 11-year-old child that Hillary Clinton is a murderer. And that he thinks now that he's like informed about this

and is 11 years old. And if that's just, I can't let that go. I cannot let that go. It feels, that's like, I will leave the person out of this for their privacy. But someone said to me, it was like someone uninformed about politics. I was talking to them and they were like, they're like, oh, you're probably going to vote for Hillary, right? This was before that. I was like, yeah. I mean, what's the other option? They were like, well, what about the bombs? And I go, oh, the bombs.

I go, what bombs? They're like, the bombs. And they're Hillary. My friend was telling me that Hillary was dropping bombs on someone. And I go, and why does that upset you? And I know they're wrong. And I know, I think this person was talking about Benghazi. Yeah. and just didn't even understand what it was and i'm like so what do you think happened you think hillary clinton is secretary of state dropped bombs and now we're only hearing about this days before the it didn't happen and like uh the stock like uh this same person went

the stock market went up when trump got elected i'm like this one percent of the world owns stocks you know what i mean like you happen to own stocks so you feel a direct benefit and that's the shit that drives me crazy is where it's like i love a direct benefit but i can't help but being think like what about these other x amount of people what if we all benefit totally yeah or just the the lie like it none of that that's the thing but i here's my thing too and now thought experiment what's our liberal like when we say shit like oh stormy daniels or whatever are we is that our benghazi i think about that over are we getting caught up in some bullshit too yeah what's the craziest thing that we believe uniformly right that they would that uh conservatives would go that sounds insane yeah you're nuts honestly i think just us us all the p-tape maybe

like that yes yes maybe the p-tape but even that's like that's in a dossier there's like that was investigated i don't know and we don't even feel the way about the p-tape as these monsters felt about benghazi no we're not saying i'm'm not gonna vote for Donald Trump because a hooker pissed on him. Yeah, as a matter of fact, that's one of the more humanizing things about it. In all honesty, I feel like, oh, sister. Yeah, my sister. I was like, not for me, but then again,

neither is conservatism. Kind of cool. I think I even tweeted, when the dossier came out and P-Tape was the word, I was just like, but honestly, kind kind of into, like kind of happy for Trump. It makes him more rounded, like makes him more well-rounded as a person.

And it's the thing, I mean. I mean, I'm not saying that he's like not reprehensible. No, you love him. You love him. You love Donald Trump. He has a funny story about,

he was at the after party at SNL. I've told this a million times. But I will say it to John. So Donald Trump hosted SNL and that was the episode that Bowen happened to go to. And like, he had like an interaction

with Ivanka that was like insane. And then Donald Trump was leaving the restaurant. And I was like, bye Joel Kim Booster. Yeah, he was like, bye Joel,

you were great tonight. And yeah. No, he, I was hammered. And like, people are just like, he didn't have secret service. I mean, he has his own security and like and like like people are just like he didn't have secret service I mean he has his own security

but he like Keith Keith ugh but yeah they um just like pushing people aside but then like I was like

along the procession of him walking and I was hammered and as he passes by I go great show tonight and he goes

thank you doesn't make eye contact compliments at him on his comedian performance I complimented Donald Trump on his comedy after his show you normalized him

I normalized him you are the reason as a comedian you Jimmy Fallon you guys you have the same I tousled his hair

I tousled his goddamn hair I do think the Stormy Daniels is a thing that they can't believe like why are you guys like supporting a porn star how could you because they don't believe. Like why are you guys supporting a porn star? How could you?

Because they don't understand the idea of embracing sex work as a thing that people do and that she needs to pay her bills. People think porn star, they think whore. They think, and that's a horrible thing. How dare you? You're disgusting and dirty. Trump is like a porn star like the thing you liked about

him in the 80s and 90s is that he was a porn star without fucking yeah yeah um it's so it's so weird also that's my favorite shit too is like i think the thing that drives me the most crazy about this division among sides is like the reason we're into porn stars is because i think we're all honest with ourselves it's like we watch porn yeah so like the least you could do is respect the people in it you know what i mean like and the other side definitely watches pornography yeah and that's what bothers me where it's like they definitely watch pornography they definitely watch sports they definitely watch entertainment featuring minorities and uh yeah and lgbt people and they can't see also that it's like hey maybe i should support them outside of you know i would

be more starstruck if i saw carter dane than i saw julia roberts gay porn star i assumed carter dane you don't have to we haven't asked this question he has two gray's anatomy names wow that's wow good for you, bitch. Ally of the year. Ally of the year. We should ask this question before we get into I Don't Think So, Honey. So we ask all of our guests that come through, what was the culture that you experienced that made you say culture was for you?

Like, what was the defining thing as you were growing up? Like, there was a movie, a musical artist, a television show, and it was defining for you, kind of made you follow it in a way that was like, mm-hmm, this is me, actually. I'm sure you've talked about this on Raised by TV. Oh, shit, yeah, that's really, oh, that's a very good question. That's our question.

I like that question. That's our key. I guess I would say the first time I saw, I watched action movies with my dad growing up and I'd be like, this is so cool. And then I remember when I saw a comedy movie, I was watching, maybe it was like cable guy or like,

you know, one of the dumb and dumber ace into one of those Tommy boy, that generation movies. I'm like, these are so funny. These are so funny. I was so into comedy. And then my dad said,

uh, and we didn't have a good relationship, but like movies were our connection. And he was like, Oh, you should see this movie called Monty Python and the Holy Grail. And I was a little D&D kid and a budding comedy kid. I didn't know it at the time. And then I watched that and I was like, these guys are adults being silly, riding horses, carrying swords.

I don't think there's a cooler thing you can do. And I felt in that moment and then when i eventually came to ucb as as unlike it what it was in my head it still was hey we're all a bunch of comedy people we have like sort of the same reference points and i felt and i was like oh this is this is the fucking this is how amongst my people yeah yeah yeah yeah and then i sort of just felt that vibe and continued that like continued that and then were you and then did that open the door to other monty python stuff oh yeah like i i've eventually got all of flying circus on dvd you know uh and even late way later in life got into

british comedy more right but for me that was more just about like hey this comedy movie is and then also another one another version of that was when i first saw the movie hot shots which is like a top gun parody yeah so it's yeah parodying films that i love like the mask bullshit masculine action movies yeah and i can get the both the comedy but i also love all the reference and i'm like oh my god i didn't even know this is a thing you could do yeah it's like to hold both of those beliefs i've sort of always been as uh now that i'm less culturist ally of the year yeah i've always sort of been like this weird dichotomy of like meathead and nerd or like yeah you know like i was a theater kid and a rugby player you know what i

mean like it was like i did short form improv and drinking games yeah so i was like i was oh i kind of always had like a foot in both sides so So I felt, and then when I found those like parody movies that I was like, oh my God, like Monty Python of course stands out. Right, right. I'm glad you contextualized it with, that the action movies was the thing that like made your dad say, oh, actually there's this,

here's this totally different thing that sort of has some connection to it, like spiritual connection to that. I fucking love, the moment that I rented Monty Python and the Holy Grail from the library some connection to it, like spiritual connection to that. I fucking love, the moment that I rented Monty Python and the Holy Grail from the library and like popped it, I didn't really know,

like people were like, kids at school be like, oh, it's so funny. And I just like read it from the library, popped it into the VCR. The VCR, babe. Oh, you're telling me. And fucking lost my mind.

Like the opening title cards, like he's been sacked, like that person's been sacked. I was like, what is this? Right, and it's really, I would have written it off a year earlier just based on the lighting. You know what I mean?

Like when I was a kid, I could not get my head around 70s shit. You know what I mean? Like even classics. And then now I like realize- This looks bad. Yeah, I'm like, this is not a multicam sitcom.

It's super well lit. So it's garbage. I remember the first time I saw like a Doctor Who episode when I was young. I'm like, who is not a multi-cam sitcom that's super well lit. So it's garbage. I remember the first time I saw like a Doctor Who episode when I was young. I'm like, who watches this? For sure. And then when I got like, as I got older and you like get appreciation for that, like look and all of a sudden you're like, oh my God, this whole world. Yeah.

It's fucking great. Just so fun, man. I have to ask you about your preferred drinking game in high school or in general. In high school, it was beer pong was the big one. And then when I was eventually, here's some Long Island shit, when I was eventually a Jones Beach lifeguard. Oh, bitch. We would do a hell of a lot of beer pongs.

Shout out to my, I'm not even going to give his last name because I feel like he's a businessman now. Shout out to my summer beer pong partner, five summers running, kicked ass every time. Shout out to Joe. Hey, Joe. See, I was a flip cup bitch oh i could play a game of flip cup and then in college we got into rugby team did boat races which is

just chug a beer and put it on your head see oh that's fun i haven't played a boat race college was different because we went to nyu and it was like we did the more cerebral drinking games like like kings oh i love kings kings is fun is that like uh cup of death or whatever yeah like when you flip the cards over and like every every a plane everyone does something different yeah but flip cup i loved because of the racing aspect i did cross country and so i was i only did track and i was like oh yeah it's about speed i love it and it just like i love that you only had to drink like a little bit yeah and then it was also there's like a performative aspect and a sort of like you get to beer pong you're kind of always playing with

flip cup once you flipped you can just you can hang yeah you can hang and also like when you got it over on the first try that felt that there's nothing there's no better feeling in the world truly there's not a cooler move yeah than casually drinking your beer no rush placing it down and then just flipping it and you're a flip cup assassin right and you can take if you take your time and do it with confidence, it's the coolest looking. Did you play those games? No,

I was the only time I remember ever playing flip cup in college was when we went to DC. Oh yeah. We went to DC together and like, we went to some kid's basement and like we, we, we played it on a door. I mean,

there was beer pong that was played on a door. I remember that door on like saw horses or whatever yeah like like place horizontal and then like played flip cup once and I was like oh yeah I don't I don't like it no we would just we would just be like fucking idiot theater kids in high school yeah and just do like never have I ever and like yeah like that yeah see oh my god we would when I would my friends in high school we used to get a beach house on Fire Island every year

we would just have 24 vs 24 it would be tables lined that's so cool honestly I loved it and I still would love it to this day that's a part of my history my days doing that are not over.

They can't be. I think the gays can reclaim beer pong. No, flip cup. I want to lose beer pong. I don't really need flip beer pong. Gays, Fire Island,

we're going to go to Fire Island in a few weeks. I think we propose it. You're going to Fire Island? We're going to Fire Island. We're the gay part. We're going from the fifth to the twelfth.

So we're going to miss the fourth. Oh, I'm in Montauk from the first to the sixth. Oh, that's cool. That'll be great. I think we're going to be fifth to the twelfth so we're gonna miss the fourth oh I'm in I'm in Montauk from the first to the sixth oh oh that's cool that'll be great I think we're gonna be there for the invasion

which is when they get all a bunch of fucking drag queens on the ferry coming in oh hell yeah and then everyone's in drag so we're probably gonna go in drag and go to the pier

oh that's amazing I'm gonna get like a I'm gonna get my eyebrows blocked what's the which beach is that the Pines and then Cherry Grove those are like hours

those are the gay ones, yeah. Hours. There's no gay people on any other beach. There's not. Like, they talk about like Fire Island and then they associate gay with it. But you know, from growing up there, it is mostly bougie. Or bougie. Or like Tina Fey has a house in like Seaside.

Because I went to Kismet every summer. Kismet was where we went as 18-year-olds and got so fucked up. I had my – one of my best friends in high school, Carl, went to RPI. And he was like a sick engineer and he made this funnel that had two handles and it held six beers, three on each side. I used to be able to take three Natty Isis to the chest in seconds. Holy shit. No no i was a tank like i would have you i we would have why am i hard right now because i got a guy in a tank top telling me he takes three beers to the chest and natty lights natty lighting the needle of

heterosexuality and homosexuality in my mind right here i said if jesus turned water into wine the devil turned water into natty ice and we would-sicle course, which was flip cup into beer pong into some other game. It ended in the final. Oh, that's awesome. And it was epic. We used to do insane bullshit like that. One time, beer pong tournament at a friend's house. His mom was out of town for a weekend.

Like 12 teams. Me and my buddy were like, we're going to win this. We're better drinkers than everyone. Here's the plan. You have to, you have to drink the cups at the end. So we thought we'll fill our cups up to almost the top. And then if we win fast,

someone's going to drink six beers and not be able to play the later round. Wow. Instead, we won by one cup, three games in a row and had drank like 24 beers. Everyone was shit. We were just, just the two of us.

No one else was as drunk as we were and we were throwing up in between rounds and like trying to, like, we actually left that party and stole the entire bar

and they were like, did you guys take all the Bailey, like, we like grabbed two bottles of liquor each out of their, like, parents bar.

Like, did you take the Bailey's Amaretto Blue Curacao and schnapps? And honestly, you had no interest in even drinking it. It was just like about taking it. Yeah, I just wanted to stop.

The Las Colas listeners are like, who the fuck is Matt Rogers? We don't even know this bitch. I'm having like an out-of-body experience. Yeah, your octaves are all over the place. Literally, I knew that when you came in, I was like, the Long Island in me is going to come roaring out. Yeah, it's all. I do that to other people. Also, me on this podcast is bringing out all my late and homosexual absolutely and that's the crossover

and that's the crossover and that is in the middle boys yeah meet me in the middle i think it's time i think it's time you know i don't think so honey now john is now a seasoned veteran in the form now i know what i don't now i know what i don't think so honey so funny you you dm'd me you slipped into my dm oh hell yeah you're like what the fuck is this i was like excited for the show what is and i don't think so honey um i don't know if the clusterfest episode no it will have come out but i don't know can't confirm or deny neither can brag we're not sure but the best part was also that i was like up third too i was like yeah you were like i was like i think i know what it is oh fuck we didn't we didn't we didn't set the order right but anyway i was fine yeah no please gabriel and i said to him he was like is this the most

heterosexual question ever asked like what is it i don't think so honey and i was like no i'll tell you why it's queer because you want to put yourself in a position to win and want to be cut throat and that honey is queer is queer that's exactly what you wrote to me and I went well it's actually rule of culture number 47 seven being cut throat is queer okay

do you want to go first I could go okay great this is our we're doing our I don't think so we're doing some it's our one minute topics to relevance culture you know what it is so you know if you I don't have anything Planned right now But maybe I can always

I can always Trouble Great This is Matt Rogers I don't think so honey Time starts now I actually don't think so honey Karaoke

Oh And I'll tell you why Because I'm a perfectionist About these kinds of things And the songs that I want to sing Are very commonly Out of my range honey And so unless it's a

Cutting edge karaoke machine that I can lower the key, which is often what I need to do, honey, because I can't sing if I could turn back time and the original key needs to be like a step down, like maybe a half a step down. If it's not, I don't think so, honey. And I don't think so, karaoke,

because oftentimes at the end of the night, I will have a ruined voice. 30 seconds. I don't think so, honey, that karaoke is taking my gift and stomping on it and stomping on it. And also, I don't think so, that karaoke is taking my gift and stomping on it and stomping on it and also i don't think so honey when you go to do karaoke with all your gay friends and you know it's a competition so i don't think so honey when it becomes a competition

bitch because guess what it's about the joy of singing yes and also if you ever 15 seconds hear me sing in a real way you will know i am a shantus ah but unfortunately i am the elusive shantus like mariah carey herself honey honey, because guess what? A lot of times I've just done karaoke and I have nothing to offer you. I don't think so, honey. Karaoke also a lot of times the bad fonts on the screen. And that's one minute. Wow.

I don't like karaoke very much. Seeing it live, seeing it up close, seeing an official Las Culturistas, I don't think so, honey. You saw it all happening on my face. Yeah, I get it now. It's intimate. You get it now. I get it now. But you got it now but you got it in the beginning I got it you got it yeah you did trouble what did you pick out of the trouble I got people named Tori people named Tori that was

a Matt Rodgers entry and I was like will this work but I did I did I tried no Gabrus made it work okay this is Bowen Yang's I don't think so honey are you ready I am this is gonna this might make me some enemies yeah you're making a lot of enemies on this podcast today. And his time starts now. I don't think so many fucking food hauls, bitch. I'm talking about Grand Central Market. I'm talking about fucking Decal Market in Brooklyn, bitch. I'm talking about Eataly even.

Let's throw Eataly in the fucking mix. That's funny. It is perform... You are watching people eat. People are watching you eat and slurp up some poke or whatever the fuck. I don't think so, honey. It is theater, but it is bad. It is theater of mastication.

That's what it is, honey. And I do not like egg slut at eight in the morning that we tried to go to to catch some breakfast. We thought we beat the rush. No, the line was around every fucking booth. And I was like, this is bullshit. Egg slut, I can fry an egg. we beat the rush no the line was around every fucking booth and I was like this is bullshit it was egg slut I can fry an egg and I can make

what do they call them bohemian eggs fry my egg with some bacon put it on between two pieces of toast 15 seconds I don't think so many food halls I do not like the culture

of having to like pick out listen it's a mall it's a fucking mall don't glorify it give me a Panda Express and there's

we're gonna go that far give me some actual options I don't wanna have to figure out your fucking menu and decipher all that I don't glorify it give me a panda express and they're gonna go that far give me some actual options i don't want to have to figure out your fucking menu decipher all that i don't think so honey and that's one minute wow wow i wanted i was started off disagreeing with you and by the end i'm like there's nothing more humiliating than walking around with a tray of food trying to find a place oh i hate that it's high school it's the worst part about high school except now it's strangers it's strangers and it's strangers, and it's kids, and it's like all the bullshit.

I don't know. I don't think so. I'm going to save this for another episode. Can you preview it? What's the topic? Okay, I don't think so, honey. The name Egg Slut. Okay, yeah, we'll get into it.

It didn't make me want to eat the food. No, that's fair enough. And like literally, I said this to you. We were hungry, and then we got to that food hall in LA. What's that one called? Grand Central Market. Grand Central Market. And then I saw Egg Slut, and I'm like, oh, I'm this to you. We were hungry, and then we got to that food hall in LA. What's that one called? Grand Central Market. Grand Central Market.

And then I saw egg slut, and I'm like, oh, I'm not hungry anymore. It could be called bacon slut, and it would be less bad. It's egg. It's not even the slut. It's the egg. It's the idea of being a slut for eggs. Yes. Ew.

Get eggs anywhere, bitch. We're about to do an episode with Fran Gillespie, and that's going to be my I Don't Think So Honey. There you go. Okay, great. And this is John Gabrus' Ally of the Year. John Gabrus' I Don't Think So Honey, and his time gonna be my I don't think so honey there you go okay great and this is John Gabrus' ally of the year John Gabrus' I don't think so honey and his time starts now I don't think so honey chatty Uber driver

I'm sorry I don't even use Lyft anymore I know hashtag delete Uber sorry just lost my ally ship because I found on anecdotally that Lyft drivers talk more than Uber drivers because I'm in here. I want to talk New York versus LA.

I miss a fucking harrowing drive home from someone who doesn't even seem like they want to pick me up. Exactly. I want someone that's mad that I'm even making them do their job. When I get an Uber driver and it says Armin, it will be there in five minutes, I'm pumped. I want a dude in a Honda Civic who is talking in a different language to a fucking cousin back home. I don't want him to even look at me. I want to fucking watch movies.

I'm stoned. I'm drunk. I'm in an Uber for a reason. I want to be just looking at my fucking phone. I don't want to get in the lift and fist bump you and then hear or you recognize me or tell me about your podcast

or put on your fucking music. Five seconds. Uber, add one dollar up charge if you ask for a quiet driver. That's one minute and a business proposal to end the whole thing. Today, my Lyft's getting here. His name was Charlie and I was like, fuck, Charlie's

going to talk. Yeah, he's going to talk, but he didn't. I think Joel pointed this out for us. An Uber Lyft driver to bring it back to headshots a driver with a head like an actual headshot

bad news they're going to talk to you about their podcast they're going to talk to you about whatever I cannot listen to another conversation about a small business

I literally I love small businesses it's insane I also don't want to hear like how long you've been driving for like I just want to just

fucking I know more about my Lyft driver Jasmine from last night than I know about Bowen Yang yeah I believe it been driving for like no i just want to just fucking i know more about my lift driver jasmine from last night than i know about bowen yang yeah i believe it who really does know bowen though here you go who really knows you your own biggest bully i'm he knows a lot about you intrinsically he does i've been joel combustor this whole time oh my god it was joel it was joel um oh my god he's an egg slut these I will say some solid

and I'm gonna include myself in this solid I don't think so yes don't be your own bully I'm not being my own bully thank you this was

a dynamic episode I loved it they got political honey oh yeah we got a little pop cultural honey we talked about our upbringing honey that's an episode of Las Culturistas right there

this is quintessential Las Culturistas and it took a straight man in a red baseball cap to bring it out. Holy shit. Oh, when you put it that way. We were wrong before and now we're

right. John Gabrus. John Gabrus. Listen, raised by TV. High and mighty. High and mighty. And just all over TV everywhere you go. This man is going places. What do you want to say to everyone? I miss you guys.

Everyone. People in general. Yeah, yeah, yeah. John Gabrus misses humanity. I love that. He's married. I don't really know what the humanity is like.

We'll catch him smoking a joint outside of his house in West Hollywood. Dressed just like you catch me walking in short shorts with a tiny dog smoking a joint in West Hollywood what's your dog's name

Arthur Arthur oh that's amazing Arthur Arthur he's the sweetest I used to want to name my dog Anderson Cooper

but now no oh Anderson Pooper dude Pooper for sure for sure Poop is visceral for me left Kathy out to dry.

I don't like that. Bring Arthur next time. We're going to have Gabriel back. Please. And you guys should come do High and Mighty at some point. High and Mighty, because I am very high and mighty. I have some little edibles in my tail. In your purse?

I think Sativa. That's what I remember. I can't do Indica because it makes me anxious and tired, whereas Sativa makes me fucking chatty and horny that's what it is that's what Sativa is

right Brett how chatty and horny can I get but not very but not a driver you're never a driver if you're chatty and horny

no no no okay well great this has been Las Culturistas with John Gabrus let's sing a song to close out as we always do

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