Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Correctamundo, Tro" (w/ Troye Sivan)

Episode Date: August 26, 2026

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Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong! Las Culturistas calling. And it's our first guest in the space.

Amazing. And the first thing he did was, say, sort of encounter what was on the table and say, what's that? We said, well, as Els Elsie, I've never tried that. I'm telling you, we're giving it away for free. Because now they have one of the world's beloved icons drinking it here. And having mixed things to say, which is what they want. And we can be transparent about that because they have not offered us some sort of global brand deal. So we can sit here and actually say how we feel about, and what's the one that you have? Arctic vibe. And to the same, Sceas folks, y'all know it tastes crazy.

That's part of the appeal, isn't it? Out there, you fucking freaks. You want us out here sipping your weird juice? One of our crew called it vape juice. Yeah. Oh, no, I think our guests called it vape juice. Oh, and then it was confirmed by the crew. Our vaping crew.

I don't want to call anyone out of their name. Well, we're about to. I. How dare our guests. How dare our guests. He dropped this video on the world. So here's the thing. You know Nicole Kidman.

I'm talking to the guests at home. From Los Colterista. Not the guests in the chair. I'm talking to the guests to this episode, aka the readers, the people that listen to this podcast. You guys know Nicole Kidman. You remember her from this podcast where she,

what happened to her when Tweety Bird came up? I think she was just excited to see Tweety Bird. Yeah. And then I think she is an actor in the sense that she went into a reverie. Yeah. And embodied Tweety. And that girl, that girl, she's the best. This guy, this guy.

He's the best. So one of the things that I share, that we all share with our guest is a friend, collaborator, Brett Leland, McLaughlin. And so he does, I don't want to put him on too much blast, but. I have heard a large portion of this project in an, you know what I'm saying? He shouldn't have done that. I'm not saying that he did too much, but I am saying he did just enough for me to know that this Troy era is the Troy era. I am very, very, very excited that you have finally arrived here in this moment because I do

believe, like, people are going to say a lot of big things because people are going to be excited, but I will just be one of the voices saying how exciting it is to see our guest who has always done such incredible work, like take it in even further and even bolder a direction. And I am just incredibly excited for what is on the horizon. It gave me ray of light, which I told him, which is, especially in this era where Madonna is so top of mind to say something that like this, you can't do it lightly. that just hit me like a wave like Tokyo and I think our guest

is a really special person to me and I'm in a reverie. I'm looking at Tweety Bird and I'm Nicole Kinman over here. Let's bring him in. Everyone, please welcome. Troy Baby, Troy, Savannah! Can I talk? Yes, you can talk.

You have to say. You're free to speak. Guys, what's up? Here's the thing. And you can kick that however many times you want. I'm going to, we're really, it's pokey. I love the new studio, by the way. Thank you.

You look perfect in it. Really? Thank you. This is actually not my preferred side. Do you have one of those? I do now. It's gotten worse over time. What made you, why do you say you do now?

What brought this on? Age, I think. I have volume lost under my left eye. Age gave you a side. Age gave me a side. Yeah. You have what under your left eye? Volume loss.

Volume loss. Volume loss. Okay, but these are new terms, these are terms that we did not know. My brain is rotten. Tell us. Just, I mean, I feel like I have the most minor thought about volume loss under my left eye. And then I'll open Instagram and there's like a real about volume loss under the left eye and how to fix it. Yeah, no, it's incredibly powerful whatever is happening with the technology that allows, it allows.

allows you're going to know what you've thought. This happens. Yep. And I haven't done anything about it yet, but we'll see. What's there to do? It's a few options. Fill up. Yep.

Which nobody recommends. Right. No. It's apparently very dangerous to do under your eye. I should say I'm not like a medical expert, so don't take my advice no matter what. It would be incredible if you revealed that you were. Hey, you are.

Yes, you are. I don't like that self-talk. You're a doctor, Troy. Don't let anyone tell you're not a medical expert. Yeah. Great. No, so I think that I had a consultation. Okay. And they told me about the filler and then they were like, but don't do that.

And then they also told me that you can do like P plasma, whatever. And I'm like, is that real? Like, am I going to notice a difference? Right. And they were like, maybe. And I'm like, no, what's like the real deal? Like, how do you actually do it? And it's unfortunately fat transfer.

Yeah, fat transfer. Fat transfer. From the eye or to the eye? To the eye. To the eye. From wherever they can find it. They take it from your ass and put it under your eye. As fat under the eye.

Whatever the fat is. Sometimes some of us don't have fat there. Someone's going to be into that. Like you like this fat ass and it's like under your eye. You like my beautiful eyes. I took stuff from my ass to make them even more beautiful. Jesus. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So they take fat. They purify it or something and then they put it under your eye. And then it's, apparently it's for life. And that's what also scares me, right? Is that they only, like, a certain percentage of it survives. So they overfill with the fat.

And then some of it dies in there. And what survives is supposed to look perfect and smooth and, like, whatever. And it just sounds risky to me. It sounds risky to me. Any sort of transfer of fat from part of your body to it. But then... The third option is, of course, self-acceptance. Yeah, yeah.

I thought you were going to say, bag of peas. When you first said pee, I thought, bag of peas, I thought you meant just like, oh, put a bag of peas under there. Like, that's what they tell you to do. Like, you know, just like, put a bag of ice or like, you know, whatever, just like sort of be more conscientious, sleep, et cetera. Yeah. Like, anything that's not like, like, upper bluff. No, just like, like, just do the thing. Just do the actual thing that's going to work. Like, I don't want to, I don't want to, like, a skin cream is not going to give me. No. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it seems like you don't know what the thing.

The trouble with this is, we don't know what the thing is. What do you mean? When you say, like, just do the thing. Oh, right. But we don't know what the thing is.

It sounds like it's fat transfer, but I just, I can't be bothered. But then you got to do that. Exactly. Then you get fat transfer under your eyes, which just seems like such an insane thing to do. And that's the thing is I do think we as a society could benefit from stepping back

a little bit and being like, what is this? Right. And like, you know what I mean? And sometimes it's like, oh, we're talking about like something like salmon sperm. You know what I mean?

Which, which again, That's pretty whatever, right? People like it. And what is it? Is it an injection? No. See, that's something that I would be a skeptic about.

But I'm sure it's real. Because it's the come of fish. Right. How can that be? And we stepped back and it was the come of fish that we were talking about the whole time. When you zoom out. Yeah. Yeah.

But the come of humans we put all over the fucking place. So who cares. Speak for yourself. Where do you guys put it? No, no. You guys. It does go everywhere. Yes.

It goes everywhere. It goes everywhere. I mean, I've I've we we put it on the face if it helps I mean that that's the thing is like I I will I will try it if it helps but the thing is I the only time you get come on your face is if there's like a yeah yeah yeah I wasn't ever the biggest fan anyway you know what I mean like yeah what are your thoughts on come sometimes it's cool because you came to Los Colch I did and we and here we are with our cum questions I I you know I Like, I'm kind of whatever about it. Me too. I'm not like obsessed. I've never been like, that was unbelievable.

Come. I've had that thought. You know what, no. If the guy is like, unbelievably hot. Yeah. And I'm like falling in love with him. Yeah. By all means.

Can't get it off. Whatever. Whatever you want. True or false. Sometimes, sometimes guys do like perform it too much. What, the act of coming? Have you ever faked an orgasm? I have.

I have. Tell us about it. Okay. Yeah. It's different for for for for dick. I know. That's the thing. Yeah.

So this is this happened about five years ago. And I was. Do I know him? I don't know. Whoa. It happened in LA. And I know. That's why I'm like, I can't come swinging through here with a no.

With a no. But anyway. like I was not bored topping, but it was kind of just like, it wasn't really happening. You can fake it if you're topping. Yes. Yes. And so that's why that's how I was able to do so is because I was like, oh, whoa, wasn't that over? But then after, doesn't he like realized?

Well, he did ask me, did you come? And I was like, yeah. So I said, yeah, like an older brother in a sitcom. Yeah. Well, of course I did. Anyways. He's like, why are you talking like that? Feels like you didn't come.

Yeah. I commend you for lying. I know. Sometimes lying is cool. Sometimes lying is super cool. It's what I need to do for survival in that moment. Have you? I have.

Yeah. Very similar situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. T and I. But it wasn't our first time. Yeah. So I was like, this is. The perfect crime.

There's no way that he's going to know. This is the perfect crime. Because, you know, it's like already happened. Yeah. So it's just not happening again. Yeah. So I was like, I did a gorgeous performance. Yeah.

Very convincing, hopefully. Yeah. And I don't think you have, you're a really good actor. You are a great actor. And that's one of the things I want to talk to you about at some point when we move off this topic, which I'm still interested in exploring. Hold on. And this is my exploration.

Go ahead. Who's to say that we? We haven't had people fake it with us. You know what I mean? I've had people fake. I'm sure, statistically speaking, I don't know who, but I'm sure someone's faked it with me. And I'm like, yeah, that's just how the numbers go. Right.

Yeah. Right. Oh, no. I just actually hadn't considered it for myself. I'm like, I've done it for someone else, but of course no one's ever done that for me. Well, you're always the exception. Totally. You may be.

I want to know about your experience. know about your experience with poppers now. Okay. Because you felt the rush and made us all feel the rush. The thing about poppers over time is they are a drug that you inhale and they go right to your brain and sort of, I would say, potentially wreck that human organ that we need. So where are you at with it now? And is fantasy reality?

Fantasy is definitely reality. I'm not like crazy obsessed because it's not that frequent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would say the issue is now it's hard for me to be like in the moment with someone I'm like do you like poppers like it feels like kind of a joke almost or something like that like if I if I if I whip out a bottle of rush it's like you're Mickey Mouse totally yeah totally doing like whatever Mickey Mouse does you know so yeah Mickey Mouse tends to have like a great day yes you know what I mean so like you being the Mickey Mouse of Poppers actually is perfect right yeah so it's just like I feel like it was

maybe cooler before, whereas now it's like a little bit like wearing a t-shirt or something. We know you feel the rush. You did not, you're not responsible for the ways that we all realize that like, this is maybe like destroying our brains. And in a way that like you wish, you wish someone would do that for phones. You know what I mean? Like, can you tackle that? Can you tackle?

Can you do a song about phones? Yes. Yeah. Social media addiction. I wrote a song about phones once. I think I've written two songs about phones. Just like. What's the take?

hate them. Yeah. Hate them deeply. Yeah, I'm really, I do think that all of our brains are like turning to mush. What do you think of the credit card theory? That there's a credit card in all of our brains. Whoa. That's because of microplastics, though.

That's not because of social media addiction. Right. Yeah, but there's so many things to be afraid of. Totally. Yeah. But some people have good credit. Wow. Was that you feeling the rush?

Yeah. I did do poppers again. for the first time in like, I want to see over a year. Yeah. The other week. And I was like, recreationally or sexually? Recreationally. Okay.

Well, I know, I was recreational. Sometimes the line is blurred. Sexually. Yeah. And I was like, I mean, it does really. You are addicted to. I got addicted to them. Oh, that's where you're coming from with this.

I forgot this about you. Yeah. And now I remembered. Yes, you and another person that I know. Yeah. I only know two people. she's a girl. Yeah, Rachel Senate. Yeah, it's possible. It's possible. It's like when Gaga says, like, people don't realize that you can get addicted to marijuana. Right. It's that kind of thing.

You can get addicted to anything. Yeah. Totally. You can get addicted to anything that I guess has a stimuli that you would then need again. My strength addiction. Wow. So, Matt, do you, you don't, like, touch them anymore. No, you know what it was. It was kind of just like, I, they can be around. It's just that like, it has to, well, they can't really be around. The guest star has to bring them over. If the guest star brings them over, if the guest star brings them over, then it's good and fine, but it's just like, I spent a long time being that person that would like wake up in the morning and use them to jack off.

Oh, to jack off. Yeah, yeah. I thought you were just saying like with a coffee. No, I gotta go get coffee. You know what I mean? Like, no, it wasn't like that. Right, right. But I think it's, there was like a cultural moment,

like, and this predated the rush moment, but it was like there was a time like in our mid-20s 20s where we were just ripping it in bars and clubs like like even just watching RuPaul's track great yeah no we would just do it very recreationally and I yeah and I just came up with a term for um you know wake and bake yes you were yawn and yank yon and yank wow I mean that's amazing yeah well he's really really good because it's not just specific to poppers like that's just like a thing that people do yon yank you don't need poppers to do that I yon yank wow I I love a yawn and yank

I work at 3 a.m. this morning because I'm jet lagged. Yeah. Time Shifter. I considered it. Because it was too early for Ghana. It's too early. Why didn't you? And then I don't want to get it's I don't want to get too personal. Right, right. Sorry. Time shifter. I know. But it doesn't work for you. Well, I just sort of do it in my head because I used it. It's quite expensive that app.

But I think it's worth it. Really? You don't lose the day. Like, you know, here's, I will pay any price to avoid jet lag. Right. Not any price, but like reasonably. Like, I'll pay like this app. Yes. Yeah, I attempted to use the time shifter app and it didn't work for me as well. I think what I try to do is just try to go to sleep at night.

Right. And you don't nap during the day. No, not really. I'm not like a napper. It's not as easy as that. Yeah, of course you're going to try to go to sleep. And you follow the rules. Like no caffeine at this time.

Yes, I am supposed to be done with cats. Oh, get this away from me. I'm supposed to be done with caffeine. Oh, because you're going to Berlin. I'm going to Berlin tomorrow. Have you been to Berlin? Yeah, clearly. Hello.

We filmed the rush video there. Oh, duh, yeah. Me asking questions. I know the answer to. Wasn't Bloom there, too? No, Bloom was in New York. And like a, where was that warehouse? I love that warehouse.

I don't remember. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. My, my, my, my, my. My, Ma, Ma, Ma, Ma, Ma. It was in L.A. It looked like Europe to me. Yeah, it was like a really sort of random, like, power plant.

And it was rainy. It was raining. It was raining. I don't remember if that was real or fake rain. I think it was maybe fake rain. I love that video. My, my, my. And I loved blonde, that you were blonde, right?

Blonde, dark, but yet dark, Troy. Yes, the skinniest person you've ever seen in your life. Like, it was a crazy vibe I had at that time. I'll see pictures of myself and be like, whoa, I looked crazy kind of. Really? Well, okay, so what's like the hair? Is there hair logic to you? Like, I was blonde then because of this, or I have dark hair because of that?

Not really. I think the only, I mean, like the closest thing to it is, um, I think like last album even, I felt remnants of feeling like I needed to step into a role or something like that. And I knew that this time I didn't want to do that. So this feels like I'm wearing a very cool hat today. Yeah, you certainly are. No noise for the hat so far. No, no, I love that.

I thought it was going to be worked into the intro. The noise sort of happened in the other room. Right, right. Where we viewed the video and everything and I immediately wanted to compliment you on what I think is you finding your colors. Thank you. Because I recently found out I was in autumn, says Melissa. Did you actually do the thing? We didn't need, she used her eye, but we need to do it. But we, you're wearing things that would suggest you've truly found your color. Thank you. I think you're a summer. That would rock for. It would rock. And it's not based on personality. No. It's purely aesthetics.

Purely your color ring. Right. You know what I mean? But would you want to be anything other than a summer No, that's why I was so flattered for a second. I thought you were just saying that about me. If someone points to you and says you're a summer, it's gorgeous. I think you wrote the best song about gay travel. Which one? What's the time where you are?

Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, I really liked that song. I heard it the other day. The other day I was driving home from a shoot, and I had such a sweet driver who decided that he thought that I would want to listen to my own music

the whole way home. And it was on like shuffle. So every time a song would end, I would like clench my bum. Oh no. So nervous about what is going to play because he was, I mean, Spotify or whatever was playing that music was like pulling out some absolute wild cards, including like a song from the troll soundtrack of one point that I like forgot that I did. Freight Fest.

And so, but that song came on and I was like, this one's actually, I like this song. Now, and I have to tell you what is so aspirational about that song is every gig I wants some, some guy leaving him a voice note that's like, Joy, baby. Who did that? So I put on my Instagram and was like, send me voice notes of you saying last night was fucking crazy in like your language, accent, whatever. Yes. And that guy, like, failed the assignment, but just sent me a voice note anyway. just like a general like what's up one and he started it with Troy baby like he was like talking and um dreamy it's actually iconic he basically

so I used it in that song used it in supernatural well so I use it first in what's the time where you are and we got like a because everything obviously has to go through the label so it's like you do like a license or whatever for the for using his recording then it came time to use it again because I was like I'm going to make this like my tag and he was like yes, I would love that. $50 million. Not actually. Sure, sure, sure.

But he was like, this is my opportunity to cash in. Totally. And what I've said is worth. Yes. And we did pay him. We paid him for it. 50 million? Not 50 mil, but not far off.

But he'll be fine for the rest of his life. Totally. Yeah. And his children and his children's children. And his children's children. And then I didn't use it on the new album. So I've got this like very expensive sample. Single use time.

recreate it. Like I tried to do it because if you if you just record it then it's my recording, not his anymore. Your masters. My master, exactly. So I tried to do it and so I'm like in the mic like Troy baby and it just like it didn't have the same vibe. I could feel something was off. Would it be legally sound for you to do another open call for people to send in their version of Troy Baby? Yes and we would just like tighten up the legal in the front half of that. You know what I mean? Like on the front end. Well, yeah.

I mean, this is where you can either, it's make or break for your lawyers. Totally. Like if they can make this work, yeah. They're staying. You know what? I just decided you don't even have to ask me. We don't have to do any legal stuff. I'm going to give it to you right now.

There you go. Quiet, quiet. Quiet on set. Shrevy. Okay. Okay. Okay. You didn't have the consonants.

Shre baby. Okay. It was a little too much. I'm gonna go. Quiet, quiet on set. Troy, baby. French? A little bit.

Cool. Yeah, because maybe there was a little too much sauce on the... Oh, oh, you're giving me notes. Yeah, is that okay? Yeah. We're trying to help each other here book Troy. No, I really hope I book Troy. Okay, we said we wanted to try something and just see if you noticed.

But I think let's just... Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, there's one thing. I want to try calling you trow. Tro. Do people call you Tro? Drop the Y-E. I don't think anyone has ever called me tro.

Do you like it? I know no one had. Do you like it? I do like that. Tro. Tro. Tro. Well, it doesn't sound like, it sounds like you have to really try, like to say it.

You know what I mean? Coming pretty naturally to me. Really? Yeah. Go for it. Be my guess. Try it. Try it right now.

Oh my God. Trow. I love the new. song. I think it sounds correctamundo. I think it sounds correctamundo. Yeah, that's really chic. Yeah, that's really chic. Correctamundo for sure. I like that. You like it a lot. Wait, what was I going to ask you? Oh, um, time shifter. Just try it. Okay. Try it, true. I'll give it again. Are you going to be, is it about to be international moments? No, because I moved to New York yesterday. Fully moved? I mean, I brought like three suitcases. I'm here for, I'm here till

November. Okay. I thought, I mean, I'm traveling because of like album stuff, but I'm like, basing myself here. Yeah. But you're doing the thing that every gay guy does, which is... Come to the fall. I live here now. Oh, right, right. And then you're like, great.

Let's hang out. I'm in L.A. I'm in L.A. until 2027. Totally. No, I know that I'm like, I'm not really moving. I mean, like, I'm giving it a go. That's what I'm trying. Really, really try, Trow.

Yeah. Because... All right, Bo. What we were saying with Terry, is your husband in... in any other city. We don't know. But likelihoods go up of husbands being in the city when we're talking about New York.

Go ahead, share your theories. If I had to guess. Yeah. I think London. I think he's in London. You think your husband's in London? I think so. The British sensibility, sense of humor,

I just like, when I'm there, I feel very comfortable. Yeah. And at home, I like the vibes. Next. Melbourne. You think so. Yeah. My family's there.

It would be very convenient. Yeah. Then New York and then a million other cities and then LA. But in terms of American cities, you think New York is offering the most husband potential? Yes. And this is not me saying like personality-wise or anything like that. I'm just like thinking logistically, like practically.

I think it would be hard. I would love like, I feel no attachment to living in either LA or New York like it sounds very nice to me to like live in Seattle or something like that. Yeah. It's more just like if I'm being real with myself like is that going to work? L.A. was practical because it was kind of the closest to Australia. I just sort of thought that I had to live there. That's what was so mind-loat. I came to New York like a couple of months ago. I was supposed to be for 10 days and then my friends who have a place here they were away and they were like just go stay for as long as you want. And so I stayed here for like five weeks and I

And I was so productive. I worked. Yeah. And I was like, oh, I didn't really realize that this was like an option. I thought that I had to live in L.A. And I don't think I do. I don't think anyone does. Yeah.

So, I mean, I like L.A. But, um. Meanwhile, I'm moving there in January. Are you? Well, just to like, to be like with my bicoastal girl. Right. He has now sort of for the first time started to wrap his head around the idea of this very thing, which is, well, I thought I had to live in a certain place.

And I had to live in New York for the past. Oh, you actually did. Literally did. And now I'm like, oh, wait, I don't have to be here in the fucking dead of winter. Totally. But are you on the husband hunt? Yeah. Because I feel like you are a more romantic person than you may be led on.

Yeah, I think I'm like a very sensitive person. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you give kisses to the air just there. It showed how romantic you were. Very sweet like that. Yeah, I, I definitely, yeah, of course. I don't know, that's, I'm also 31. Correctamundo.

Correctamundo. So I'm like, this is, it's a funny story. I'm nervous that he's going to listen to this. If he does, it's totally fun because I'm saying this with love. Yeah. I went on a few dates and had a sort of like very, a strong emotional connection, I would say, with a guy who works in finance. And I was like, this is amazing.

he has no idea what's going on and I love that about him but there's a point and it was after Coachella and he was like did you see that Madonna came out with Sabrina Carpenter he was like I thought that Madonna was dead

oh no that's the point that's a point right that there's oh no you can't you can't do that like yeah I can't I thought Madonna was dead You can't tell someone, oh, actually Madonna is alive and then continue a relationship with that.

I thought she was like an old, old, old artist. Like, I guess because the name sort of gives that, right? We need to get him to the Jetsateria first of all. He needs to be educated ASAP about just how alive she is. But I just want to say because just in case he does watch it, that guy's amazing. Yeah, of course he is. He's the best. He sounds like he actually.

He actually sounds like an incredible person, and I really do think there is another world where it happens. It's just that for people in this room, you just can't date someone who's like, I didn't know Madonna was alive. At least not right now. Maybe when I slow down with like music and stuff like that and I don't need someone to like bounce off of in the way that I do right now. Yeah. I think the person has to know that Madonna's life. Sometimes the butt goes through a lot. When the butt speaks, we listen.

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Trow. Mm-hmm. Correctamundo. Correctamundo. Trow, would you recommend other people go into the fragrance business? Hell yeah. Because I, because Greta and I want to start a new fragrance. Do you?

Do you? We want to start a fragrance line called phagea. Faja? From Austin Powers Gold Member. Yeah. What would it smell like? Well, I think it would be... It sounds expensive.

Fajha. Fashe doesn't... But it's goofy. But it's chic. It's like a comedian fragrance. It's a comedian fragrance. You know what I mean? I want a release one which is just...

It's a blue bottle and it's just the shape of my body and I'm just like this. And it's called bold. Gorgeous. I love that. Wait. I wouldn't lead with the comedian fragrance thing. That, that, like it was chic in my head. Doesn't feel like it smells good. I just feel like, like sweaty stand up. You know what I mean? Came to my mind.

You're right. Yeah. Nervous sweat. But wait, you've told us a million times, but how did you come up with, what was the, what's the name origin of sullane? It's, okay, so the name, it's Yiddish. And even I get, I'm like, I get nervous to say it for other people because I'm like, I know how to say it, but I just, I don't want to make people. Don't, don't think about other people. I know, right? So it's Yiddish, it's Tsulangyur. And it means to long years. It's like a toast. To long years. Oh, I love that. When somebody sneezes.

Yes. When someone sneezes, you say, so gazunt, which just means like, bless you. Yes. And that means to health. And so then there's too long years, Tzu Langior. And I did it with my brother. And it was all about like family and heritage. And we were like, you know what? To like many, many years. This is the one who now has two kids. I was like to many years of like this vibe. God, you are an artist. Wow, thank you. I'm sorry, even just you talking about that. I have, okay, so this is, this is what I wanted to reveal, because I don't think there's

lore that people don't know. So I have been in the recording studio with Troy. I wasn't going to bring it up, but I was finishing my album, Have You Heard of Christmas, the week that the Rush music video was coming out. So we were all on what I referred to at the time, and sometimes still do as the compound. Yes. At Leland's. And you were there, and it was so exciting because,

it was coming out and we were literally putting like my album together and Troy Troy's voice is all over my album it is oh I I um first of all I'm not getting trouble because I was signed at the time and so I'm not really um I I there's this weird like lull before something comes out where like the rush video was done everything is done and so I'm like kind of free yeah for a week you know and Because I'm not even really doing press yet because it's not out yet. You know what I mean? And so I was just chilling at the compound all the time.

And you guys were making this gorgeous Christmas album. Yep. And if I'm at Leland's house and he's working, I like almost 100% of the time will insert myself into his job, whatever it is. Which is wonderful. So I love doing a little like sneaky writing for X or Y or whatever. It's like very fun for me. And you were writing this gorgeous Christmas album and you needed some background vocals. you were amazing and we were vocal producing you and I remember giving you notes.

The best was, so there's like, I had like nine songs I was doing and there was three where we were writing kind of new. And so we were, we, there's one called Rum Pump Pump. And I pitch, I like sort of come in with my idea of what it is. And then it's, it's Leland and Troy. And I'm like, well, here we go. Like if I can't do it for them, I can't do it for anyone. So I do it and they're like, mm-hmm, I leave the room. I come back and Troy has got. the cans in his hand and I'm like, oh, Troy, Troy basically vocal produced rum-pum-pum. So cool.

With Brett. It's the one that's like, Shake that fat Christmas ass. Let it go. Hit the snow. Oh my God. Yes, I remember this. Rump-pum!

Fuck! It goes like that. It's like my banger. Yeah. The girls throw ass at my shows when Rum-Pum-Pum comes on. You have to come see it. Are you vocally on that? Are you produced, man.

Am I vocally on rum-pum-pum? You are. You're vocally on, you're on every, you're on every Christmas Eve, which is my song from the perspective of Mrs. Claus. So good. What's the gorgeous, like, ballad? You still make it rain on Christmas. Oh, I love that. Yeah, he's on that. And then he's on Rumpum, Pum, which he's responsible for a lot of my vocal take in that, Troy Sivan. And I was like, can I credit Troy Sivan in the notes?

And they were like, no, he's assigned artist elsewhere he can't. So it's only now that we reveal. Totally. Totally. Totally. Totally. I have to insert myself in this beautiful moment for both of you where do you, I don't know if you remember this, but Matt and I got to a huge fight over FaceTime that week. You weren't there at the time.

No, I wasn't there, but I do remember. But you heard about it. Yeah, I heard about it. This was when I was going through a fucking breakdown because I was flying back and forth shooting wicked and doing SNL. It was in the summer, but I was like, I have to get on medication. It was an important time. That was a moment in the culture. Matt and Bowen fighting.

I was just like so much was going on with you and I was doing this thing. And then literally in the next room, Troy was like, okay, I guess the Rush music video is coming out in three hours. And we're like, this is so exciting. And someone made lasagna? Dave, Mazzoni came over and made lasagna for us all. So nice. Wow.

Amazing memory, both of you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, Henry Keperski, who wrote all. of my Christmas physical with me is the saxophone on... The saxophonist

on your album. Yeah, on how to stay with you on my last album. Yeah. Love. Yes, yes, I knew that. And it doesn't end there

because you also, and this is what I wanted to say earlier, because of this movie needs its flowers, you're the star of three months, which is Jared Frieder's writing and directorial debut,

and that's on Paramount Plus now, and you are fantastic in that movie. You're so good here. And then Jared wins gay guy normal, right? Yes. He won best gay guy normal. And I believe did you win best gay guy famous? I think I've won it before, yeah.

Yeah. And I get offended every time I'm not nominated. I don't want you to be offended. But people generally take it, you take it personally. And I understand why. Especially because I've been nominated before. So I was like, what did I do between last year and this year? I guess why don't we see how the album goes?

Wow. Would you be okay if you were nominated and would win? another category that's not gay guy at all that's like oh my god like best hat wearer choice of on is hat's gonna be a big part of the rollout TBD today's literally day one

like you guys are one of my first interviews I love I think this feels like a thing does it really? You need to look into Ziggy Chen it's that weird thing where I put it on and I'm like I look at myself in the mirror and I'm like is this it? It's really good it's you do I believe myself yes it's not wearing you

oh really well nothing does no you know when I'm wearing it forward's it's wearing me. Can we see that or no? I've become, I mean, all of a sudden I'm like. I don't know. I like this. Now it's giving actor.

The other one was giving musician. This is a musician. Really? Yeah. Okay. The other way was an actor. Wow. I know, yeah.

I mean, it's like immediately I want to like do a British accent or something like that when it's on the front way. You do want a British boyfriend. I just think they're funny. They're very funny. British, Irish, whatever. Yeah. You know, like, funny.

Funny. Funny in a way that we're like, they don't give a shit. They don't give a shit at all. Yeah. I can, like, get a beer with someone that I've just met, and immediately we're, like, off to the races, shooting the shit. Yeah, I went on one day with a British guy. Was he funny?

In the UK and was like, oh, this is really nice. Yeah. Haven't heard from him. The way they describe things is very enchanting. I mean, that was one of my favorite things about dating a Brit was the descriptions of things. in their slang is very, it's always entertaining. There's also a, there's kind of like a chillness, a baseline chillness that I respond really well to.

I find, no offense, Americans, I had this issue when I first moved to L.A. where people, I heard from like two or three people, or I heard from other people about those people that they thought that I didn't like them. because you're chill. And I was appalled because one of them I actually didn't like. The other ones I did.

You were like, God, I'm not doing a good job of faking it. Yeah, exactly. But it upset me because I was like, I hope that I'm not giving like this rancid vibe. Yeah. And I think that British people wouldn't get it mixed up. I just think that there's like a way, especially in L.A. of like, you know the vibe where it's like you meet someone 10 minutes before? And then they're like, we have to go to Palm Springs.

We got a Joshua Tree together. You know what I mean? And it's like, to me, that is such a terrifying idea and prospect. And so I would never say that to anyone. That is very American. Saying I love you at the end of a conversation where you just met. I'm obsessed with you. I'm obsessed with you.

I really like that. I like the idea of it, but I just don't feel it in my heart. So I don't say it. Like, I don't do that. And I think that, right. I don't feel it in my heart. So I don't say it. I don't do that.

that. But there's no Aussie or British equivalent to that, you think, of like, oh, you're lovely. I just, I can't imagine, I think in Australian, I would be like, why, why are you being like so full on? Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, it's, I think if anything maybe, maybe, and maybe this was the issue, maybe there's like a standoffish thing where it's like, you know, you want to be super friendly and polite. Yeah. And part of being polite is that you don't want to make the person feel like attacked or like you know what I mean right and so you just want to be like kind of chill no everyone everyone everyone treats everyone like like British culture is like it's like everyone's a cat yeah not and like American culture everyone's a dog mm-hmm I don't know the one and only time I went

to Australia I actually saw you there because it was world pride yes and I went to that restaurant well that place was so good the Italian one yeah I love that place I was there like three days ago literally and everyone there is so it's like it's like you're saying everyone there is so kind And the one thing I loved the most about being in Sydney for World Pride is how excited they were to be hosting Pride. It's like a very. It was Kylie. It was Kylie. And it was major.

And it was just there was a like a citywide. I don't know if I was necessarily in a gay part. It didn't feel like that. It was like everyone in the city is proud that like is hosting gay pride. And then it also didn't feel like an overwhelming. party like celebration. It felt more like joyous and jovial and everyone was included and maybe that's speaking to like this thing.

It didn't feel too much. It felt like a lot of enough. Yeah. You know? Mardi Gras didn't like pride didn't get politicized in the same way that it has in like the U.S. I feel like the whole city really, really, really gets around it. Yeah.

It's very special. It's not like a topic that's taboo, like whether or not we're going to, you know, speak about who in this community is actually deserving of this treatment or whatever. It's just kind of like... No, and like people, like everyone comes to the parade because it's fun. And, you know, like, it's not like a thing like that. It's not like a statement. Not at all.

Yeah. Well, speaking of Australia, which is where you're birthed from, we should go to the beginning and ask you the question, really. The central question of this podcast, which is, Troy Sivan, what was the culture that made you say was for you? I think it was seeing Nicole Kidman in Moulin Rouge. Because I was young enough that I found the first 10 minutes of the movie scary. Like I was afraid because it's like, I remember, like, okay, okay.

And they're just a cut. It's a cut every half second. It's so crazy. And I remember I was watching it with my mom and I was like, I don't like this. And then once it calms down and you start to get into the story and I saw. Nicole giving this performance that's like perfectly nuanced but also kind of like camp sometimes when she's like you know when she's like yeah yeah yeah all that stuff I was like what is going on and then the songs and I was like oh something interesting is happening in my spirit right now and actually

that's part of the reason why because my other answer for that question was going to be Nicole talking about Tweedy Bird yeah you didn't like culture until that that there was a There's a plaintiff satine in there. Oh, yeah. The breathiness. She was beginning to have, she was feeling the frisson. Totally. Yeah.

Totally. She was like overcome in the same way that, you know, so I recognized a little bit of what made me like fall in love with her. Wow. Which is like, um, a campiness, but like something's so inviting and she's always been inviting. So warm. Even though she presents sometimes as like statuesque and like impervious and like icy,

but not icy, but just like. You're just like, whoa, what's going on here? But she's warm. She invites you in. She is. I asked her to do the music video. So good. And I was on a FaceTime call or Zoom, sorry.

And I made a joke to the person that I was on Zoom with because my phone started to ring. And it was an unknown number. And I was like, without any context to the person, I was like, if this is Nicole Kim and I'm going to have to leave the call. Right. And then I wasn't going to answer. I thought I was just sort of being like funny. And then you know how Apple does the like voice note as it's coming in or like I see hi darling Troy it's Nick and I was like oh and you knew I slammed my laptop clothes answered the phone

and she was like I just watched your video because I made a video of you know asking her to do it and I listened to the song and I would love to do it and then I was I was silent because I was waiting for a butt yeah and it was a butt that never came and she was like I I'm so down like I she was just the sweetest in the world and then it was like the funnest day ever yeah how long have you been connected to her was it before boy erased no boy erase it was boy race so we did boy erase I don't remember what year that was maybe like 2018 yeah I met her for the first time there um and I mean especially as an Australian like she's just everything yeah truly everything and and and can we just put some some respect on baths yes

Like, always Baz. Always Bazz. Love his vibe. He is the kook of all cooks. 100%. Yeah, I love him. And apparently, I guess I can't really talk about this. But he, and I totally forgot about it, but after the Taylor wedding, multiple texts of people being like, so you and Baz, like, were like fighting each other in a way that like.

At the wedding, you fought? Baz has a bit with me Where he's Oh, you bitch! Exactly. He'll run up to me at something If we're at the same place, he'd be like, Oh, you bet, and then he'll just like say that like I'm a piece of it.

I really want to do that. Huh? I really want to do that. Like next time I see you. To me? Yeah, I just sound so fun. Anyone can do this with me. I actually, I love the, and I black out because I'm just like having a blast.

Totally. How do you respond? I'm just like, I just like, I just start laughing and I'm like, yes, Baz, it's me. I'm so, yes, I am, I'm such a bitch to you. I just play along with it. But I just throw my hands up. We got to get him in here.

I think he would thrive on our set. He would drive on our set. There's so many things. That's a good guess. You know what I mean? Like, he's, he's superb. Yeah. Oh my God.

And such a character. He's like, that's what it is. I had a Zoom with him once. That was the first time I actually met him. And he does this iconic thing. on his Instagram where he, have you seen, he covers the camera and he says, action, and he starts filming himself. And it's so amazing.

But I have not seen this on Instagram. Action. Action. It's perfect. So funny. And so I'm so nervous because I'm about to do a Zoom with Baz Luhrman. And as I said, Milan Rouge, like, formative experience. Yeah.

Yeah. And I get on the Zoom and it's like, it's a weird blank screen. But I can tell that it's not a digital blank screen. Like, it's not, the video is not paused or anything like that. I'm like, why is it moving? I realized it's a piece of paper. I was going to say it's a piece of paper. Being held up in front of the camera.

And for the Zoom, he goes, action. And it was truly one of the best moments of my life. Like that's saying, like, my life a movie. Like, everyone's life a movie. Everyone's life a movie when Baz is in the space. That's Rule of Culture number 19. Everyone's life a movie when Baz is in the space. I won't even talk to people who say they don't like Mulan Rouge.

I'm like, okay, like, okay, great. You've told me everything I need to know. I've never heard that. People, in the context of Baz Luhrman films? No, just like people who, I don't know. There's like an opinionated flavor of person that's just like, they think it's too chaotic for its own good. Interesting.

That's the point. It's the point. I really do. I mean, I get it. Like, if you're sitting in front of it and you just don't like watching it, whatever, I'm not going to tell you that you're wrong, but I don't agree. It's a classic example. of when some when people point out a thing that they don't like about a specific work it's like

that's the point yeah yeah yeah the point is that it's chaotic the point is that there's like random song choices that then get translated to the musical version on on Broadway it's like it is it is on purpose and yeah if you don't like it then that's fine then it's good that you recognize that you don't like it like move totally but it's a lot better for our culture that we have it i i can't see the fabric of pop culture without it to be honest with you like i remember the soundtrack album. Lady Marmalade. I mean, just it has dimension as a project and he is responsible for creating all of the dimensions of that, especially on something that exists in culture. That he then explodes. Like, it's just what it's injected with is so unique to him and so

vital to everything else in the pop culture ecosystem. And it really did make him an international brand. And he's Australian. And it was the first time. So, like, Like I like kind of sheltered ish culturally like did not grow up with like Marilyn Monroe movies or like David Bowie albums. Like it was the first time I heard like heroes. It was the first time I heard like Diamond's Our Girl's best friend. It was like it was it is a perfect. Yeah. Right.

It's like it's a, it's a, it's a perfect answer for the question, which is what is the culture that made you say culture is for me? It's like it is a perfect like sampling menu. Yes. It's an entry point. Yes. every night spent making the kids' lunches, there's a lot of suspense. Will they finally eat the veggies?

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Visit bell.ca for details and to check availability. Bell, connection is everything. When I was 14 years old, I was kidnapped and held captive for nine months. I survived, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are the Survivor Files. I just remember this low, taunting voice next to my ear saying, shut up, don't say anything. Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable. I knew if he woke up, without a doubt, he was going to hurt me.

I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed, and I just started screaming. They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. But these aren't stories about what's taken from them. There's stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to the Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts. If your bookshelf and your for-you page are equally important to your personality, welcome home.

This is Prose Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks pride and prejudice and love island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo, and every week we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and the conversations everyone can't stop having. I'm going to have to look up this story. I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. From bestselling authors and your favorite book talk creators to the latest pop culture moments, nothing is off the table.

It's like if you can hide some real messages inside compelling characters, then that is the Trojan horse. Whether you're looking for literary deep dives, smart pop culture conversations, or a community of readers who love to think a little too much, you're in the right place. Listen to pro society on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. See you between the pages. On the new podcast Solita, we share the messy reality of traveling alone as a woman. I can wait four hours for the next bus or this random dude is offering me a ride on his motorcycle. I chose option B. I'm Julie Pinero and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first. I'm on a mission to reclaim the word solita, trading the pity for possibility.

Every time I tried to be alone, I kept meeting people, and they were like, you smiled at us. Not a lot of people smile around here. It's when you're alone that you're most receptive to the world as it is and not the lies you're sold about it. It can be a time where you push your limits, change your mind, or wake up to a new version of yourself. So whether you're a solo travel veteran or you're too nervous to book your first trip, I hope you listen to Solita on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you're you get your podcasts. There's also something about giving a truly crazy performance in the blank like that.

Like, you know what I mean? Like, she is taking the space as the lead of that movie and giving a bat shit performance. And there's no scoring or anything that's telling her like, yeah, you're matching the tone. Like, they're creating a tone together and also totally underrated Jim Broadbent. So good. Jim Broadbent and Mulan Rouge. Wait, who is that? Ziegler.

Zigler. Like, absolutely tearing it up. like doing something that had to feel nuts in the room. I know. But you have to just. I've never thought about that. That is so fascinating to me that like they all, how did they all know? They almost have really seen the wood from the trees.

I mean, I guess testament to a good director. Yeah. He's like, no, no, no, this is going to be mega. Yeah. You're going to scream. This is a fat boy slim song. Yeah. Like can, can, can.

It's the can't cam, but it's like a 90s ream. It's like so crazy. Yeah. And then he does it. and then his because it can, can, it comes

iconic. So good. So fucking good. Wait, I would say, is the new music a little fat boy slim coated?

A little bit, yeah. I was saying Marcy Playground like late 90s like grunge pop. There's moments of that for sure. Yeah. I mean,

it's like I do feel like this album. I wanted it to feel a little like, first of all chaotic because I think my life feels a little bit chaotic and so yeah,

I want to wanted to have layers, but then also I do feel like this is the most like potent distillation of the references, musical references that have made me the person that I am. There's like, all of it is in there for me. And maybe, who knows, it might be honestly like, maybe people are going to be like, I don't, what is this kind of thing? But I can listen through and, and like, identify, honestly, like moments in my life where I'm like, this sweetness of this melody reminds me of the first.

time that I heard like together again by Janet Jackson. You know what I mean? That's really, really, really. So yes, it's like, it's all in there. Like, I think you've been able to really, not bypass, but it's like you don't, you've never had to do the thing that pop stars do, which is that we're requiring them to do now in a way where it's like, what's the authentic you? It's like you've, you've kind of been that the whole time so that you've, I don't think

you've ever had to. earn this album, which is these are the references that truly define me. Totally. Does that make sense? Yeah. I think in a way, it's like a relief because, yeah, I'm just kind of going to keep doing that exact thing. Like, I think the whole, like, Kia asylum thing doesn't really get said about boys that much. Right.

I don't think, right? Unless I just like, because there aren't that many of them. I think that. I think there's a, it's sort of like a spectrum of how much people nitpick at you. And I think that like pop girls have it really bad. Yeah. I think that it's like insane. Then like the straight boys, they might like talk shit about you online, but either the straight boys just don't care, which is hilarious and kind of amazing, honestly.

or they or they don't get it as as bad you know like i do think that like straight boys can get away with releasing stuff that like if a queer artist or a female artist released it i just think that they would get kind of like ripped to shreds um and so yeah i i think that for queer artists it's like or for i guess gay guy artist there's uh it's it's a weird like middle ground almost between the two where it's like no one is expecting me to you know they're not holding me to the standards i don't think of like a pop girl where it's like i mean i do i was going to say something about like my body i do get that a lot actually um i don't know i think maybe the like reinvention of it all is not necessarily expected from like male artists like i think that male artists can kind of

release the same album a bunch of times and like no one seems to be too fast like it'll do well um whereas I think female artists there's this insane expectation to reinvent all the time. There's like a risk assessment that's like different depending on who the artist is. Certainly along like gendered lines, but I'm saying I'm not I'm even like removing the gender of it. But like I mean, it's good that you're acknowledging that. But I feel like you've never had to like you've given people what they've wanted. And I feel like people have been very satisfied and like thankful for that. But you're right.

Like, I think the expectation for like a female artist is to like have them reinvent and therefore do something risky. And if it fails, then it's like off to the asylum you go. Right. And like that's crazy. Also another thing that for me personally, just the way that I feel about it is like I have never had a like I think the only song that I've ever really had chart even close to like, I don't know, I think it was maybe number 15 or something like that was youth. Uh-huh. my first album. Yes. And I love my life and you know whatever. So like I I don't my metric of kind of like what I'm trying to do I is not really informed by that. So I'm yeah, I maybe I don't

feel it as much because I'm not like I honest to God could not tell you what like my first week sales. I couldn't tell you anyone's I don't I like I've just never really been like numbers minded when it comes to music stuff. So that's also maybe a thing where I'm like, I feel okay about it no matter what. I think to me the heartbreaking thing, like rather than it only sold however many thousand or whatever would be if it went by without any sort of like cultural impact. Exactly. That would be the heartbreaking.

I would be devastated. Like what am I doing this for? Yeah. If not to kind of like at least just give, you know, because I think back to those moments of like, first time I watched Milan Rouge or the first time I saw like the dirty video by Christine Aguilera or whatever you know what I mean like those things those sort of moments I'm obsessed with the idea of being able to try and give that to people right where like they remember the sweat tour forever or you know like whatever the

one of your girls video or something like that I and so yeah for me I would be devastated if if the thing came and went yes and no one like batted an eye or knew about it or anything like that that would be a failure of course i don't think you have to you have to worry about that because i feel like the cultural impact is like an emotional impact on an individual level and like i think individually like there's so many people who watched one of your girls that's saying they're like holy fuck like i'll never forget that you know i think it's more just like the idea that people expect they come to i feel like when when like a new album comes out or like someone introduces a new era it almost feels like the audience

expectation is that they're gonna get it and enjoy it right away and have a language about what it was and how it was contextualized etc so that's like a weird daunting thing that happens now which is like an era comes out and because the we're not talking that much about album sales because that's all traditionally broken down in the way that it was and like no one really knows how to talk about like success in the many different ways you can metrically talk about it you can talk about like whether or not it's being felt and people I think conflate that with like and I get it too you know what I mean

it's like it's like with any of the recent albums that have come out it's like it almost feels like it landed weird if people don't know how to talk about it immediately right you know I I'm really excited about like I think that's part of the fun. Yeah. It's like being able to try and imagine because also this album is very like I said, it's sort of chaotic. It's like basically, hmm.

It's eclectic. I want to say it's eclectic for sure. And I think that I am very excited to give them one thing and then know, I know what's coming next. You know what I mean? And so I think like trying to kind of imagine how might this like for people, while also then having the sort of like confidence to be like, first of all, I have to love it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Otherwise, like, no way, Jose. And then nobody Jose. What? Nobody Jose. Nobody Jose. Sure. That's what you said.

Yes. Nobody Jose. Correctam. And yeah, so I have to absolutely love it. And then also, I'm excited to, you know, my last album, my goal was like, like perfect pop. You know what I mean? I'm like student of the school of Max Martin and Swedish people. And I'm like, I am fascinated by this perfect pop song that like every the second pre-course has a little bit more harmony than the, you know what I mean? And it's like half length and whatever. All these little

tricks and stuff like that you can do. So fun to do it. And I will do that probably for the rest of my life. But then like a natural pendulum swing, I was like, I want to make something that just feels very, very, very, very like expressive. And so I made a lot of the album with my little brother. I made a lot of the album at home. And I'm kind of like excited to, yeah, I'm just sort of excited to see how I think for me personally, this one is going to age well to me personally. Like I think I'm going to look back on it in like 50 years and be able to play a couple of the songs or all of the songs and be like, wow, I'm really proud of like 31 year old Troy for doing that, you know. I feel like all of your albums have aged 12.

Thank you. They feel like it's so corny because it's not like everyone says this, but it really does feel like opening a journal from when you were like 15 or something like that. Yeah. You think that you're not that different and then you go back and you like read something you wrote or you whatever. And you're like, oh my God, this is like slightly modifying but also very sweet. Yeah, very true. Very true.

Yeah. It was like I had a sinus surgery because I had like a terrible deviated septum. And I can hear in my career pre and post where the septum was. Where the septum was. Because I was so stuffy. Like there's songs on Blue Neighborhood where I am just completely blocked. Interesting. And thankfully that doesn't happen anymore.

Yeah. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah, I guess like your like your belt on blue or not your belt, but like your, your, you're, you're, your placement on Blue Neighborhood. It's like younger, but it's like more, it's brighter and yet it's more like, there's like a dome over it or something. Totally.

You know what I mean? Yes. That's interesting. I think you're going to listen to this album in 50 years and you're going to say one word. Correctamundo. Correctamundo. Volume. What is it?

Volume. Volume loss. I hope you don't listen. Honestly, I know it's too late. Volume loss, title of app. Please listen to this podcast. Listen to. No, Troy, no tro.

No tro. Okay, so here's when we reveal. There's been two games we were playing on this episode with you and you did. One of them you know about one of them you do. One of them, Bowen revealed, which is he was going to call you tro. Tro. Right. Which I loved. Yeah, you loved that.

What about this one? What do you think was the second, the second thing? The other, the second thing. You've been saying correctamundo a lot. I just thought, I was like, that was weird. So you did think it was weird and there was no world in which you thought like, I guess Correctamundo is back and I didn't know. No, no.

So my honest, my honest deep fear was, I was like, you know, I listen to the pod. I'm a reader. Yeah. But I'm not like a religious reader. No offense. Sorry guys. Totally fine. I'm a busy boy.

Some of our episodes are fucking flop as fuck. And so no, I just assumed that this was something, maybe one of the more recent episodes that I hadn't caught. Yeah, yeah. You must be like, oh God, correct. I was going to bring it up. I think, I think this is. Oh, my God. And there's one more thing that we had to do, but it's not a secret, but it's a thing that you're going to contribute to.

Oh, yes. But I think in this, the set is really inspiring us creatively. And like we want to do, like, I think we're going to do like games for all of our guests. Okay. And I think this is a great. And like you're, you're, you're really so easy going. Thank you. And like you're really rolling with this in such a nice way.

This is the new thing. Or any other thing else on Correctamundo that you want to talk about? I was just thinking, I was getting excited about another thing, which is we should figure out a way to use the phone. There's a phone over there. Wow. There's just so many things in stimulus now. are in the room that we're sort of getting excited. But that's a separate topic.

This is what Bowen is talking about. We want to establish the queer handshake. The queer handshake? Yeah. So we have created the first two steps of it. And we want you to help create the third step. Perfect. And maybe by the end of time,

we will have the whole thing. The whole handshake. And it's like if you know, you know, if you see someone on the street. If like, yeah. Because like I think like, it's just going to get longer and longer. It's going to get longer.

We'll call it. And are you only inviting queer people to do it? Yes. Wow. Well, so you're on the podcast this week and then next week is Spike and Honey. And they're very queer. And then the week after that is Carly Ray Jepson. And I do think we should allow her to contribute.

She can do it. Like Carly Ray Jepson, I think she's earned that. She's going to come out on the pot. Yeah. I think she. She's going to be like, surrender my heart. One of my favorite songs. Fuck.

I'm sorry. I just thought about emotion. Oh. the best album all time. What's your favorite track on Emotion? Oh, um, it's the one, Dev Hines did it. Oh, um, um, um, uh, all that.

Is that what is it? Oh, that. So good. What a song. I also love, um, when I needed you. When I needed you. Yeah. Which I think.

Yeah, is runaway with the on emotion. Yes. Opening track. Opening track. My dear friend Noonie wrote that song and it's like, I'm still starstruck by her. Of course, that's one of the best pop songs of all time. Truly.

What are you looking up? I'm looking up what my actual favorite is on, first of all, you want to come? Me, everywhere, jizzing. Anywhere. Not faking it. Not faking it at all. No need. Okay.

My favorite song on this album, I think, is your type. Yeah. I'm not the type of you. I'm not going to pretend. Just the words in which. puts emphasis. Yeah. I'm like,

I'll make time for you, wailing that. Oh, make time for you. That is a radio ready. That's radio ready. Yes. I mean, call me maybe.

Okay. This is, this is what we have so far. So simple. Okay. That's what we have so far. So it's sort of like a grip. So it's a,

and then like it's burn like it's hot. And then you have, you have choices. Like you can either go back, like reunite or you can do like, like whatever you want. My first thought was like a, so you guys do it?

Is it inhale? Whatever. Oh yeah, sure. We both did it. So yeah. I guess it. And then I kind of went like a. Yeah.

Okay. Great. That's great. Love it. Okay. Ooh. Wait. Ready?

Yes. I mean, we can end it right there. If we won't. Now it's ended. And then we can see. Well, if we're moved to do it. Let's just see what next week brings.

You know what I mean? But in terms of where it's at right now, I feel really happy. I think the space is giving us. a lot of... Like, there should be, like, queer handshakes. Mm-hmm. 100%.

I mean, there's nothing more petrifying in the world than, like, a straight man walking up to you, about to do something. God knows what. This is exactly what inspired me. I was like, why did we all get so terrified when that happens? It's the same for me when a ball gets kicked over a fence. Right.

And I'm the one standing on the other side of the fence. Like, oh, yeah. Just terrifying. Just terrifying. I know. It's really scary. A chill just ran up my spine. I had a physical moment because I thought of,

when guys do that thing where they shake your hand and then they pull. Has anyone ever done this? Do you look? I think I'd get hard. No, I know. It's really, what would you say? I think I'd get hard. I would love that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So you are on the husband. Yeah, you're just looking for a man to grip it and rip it. Hey, if you're in New York or Melbourne and you run in Detroit, make sure you pull it, run in Detroit, pull in. Run it in the Tro, correctamundo, babe. Correct to play right? Correctamundo's tough. Do you like Correctamundo?

Yeah. I think it was good for this episode. I don't know that it needs to be like a thing forever. You really did bail on the bit with Trow. You told him right away it was a game. Because you would have been like... I would have, I just would have loved it. Really?

I absolutely love it. At the first you were like, I don't know. Tro. I've never been called that before. So I loved, the name Troy is incredible. Thank you. You've never wavered on that. No, but Cavan's not my last name.

Right. It's my middle name. But, but, and Cavan is gorgeous. But Troy as a first name, something you're hearing all the time. I've also met your cool parents because they came to my Christmas show in L.A. Right. And I met them after. Troy was like, I brought my parents and I was like, hey.

So cool. Yeah, they are cool. Yeah, they're amazing. They come to a lot of things with me. Did they come to America a lot? They do, yeah. Before we do, I don't think so, honey. We were told that we were, we would be,

watching something. Oh, here we go. Dan, is that it? Oh, I am really excited. Okay, so how is this going to be a moment where we, oh, do you have the capabilities? I can't believe, you guys stay ready, so you don't have to get ready. This is an unreleased song. We've heard it. You have heard it. Can we say the name of the track or no? No, let's not risk it. No, but I just was, I'm very, very, very excited. Um, anything, anything you want to preface for us before we hit play? So I'm obsessed with, I've not stopped thinking about this song. Really?

For the readers at home, I am playing them the second single from my album. She's the best. And, and this is going to be played everywhere. The music video, I'm just so proud of it and so excited about it that I was like, I kind of just want to show them. Oh my God. Thank you for. Okay.

So this is when I have to say, Terry O'Connor, you do have to come in here and make a cameo to open up the laptop. And Terry is going to come make a short cameo to open this up. Culture Digest's Terrence O'Connor. You know him, you love them. On the husband hunt as well. On the husband hunt as well.

Terri from Culture Digest. Yes, come. No, it's not. We need touch ID password. You got to put your finger on it, honey. There you go. This is a great moment. Wait to the camera.

Okay, all right. Hey, everybody. There he is. There he is. Okay. We're gonna press play, ready? Pressing. Play.

I don't want to do brightness. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Get away from me, Mike. Oh, my God. Can I go around the back? Yeah, come, come, come. Here, sit, sit, sit.

Sit, oh, okay. Oh, my God. This is already stunning. Oh, my God. Oh, come on. This is. What? When, how did you do this?

Oh. Oh. I'm really happy. This is huge. Yes! Oh? Really good! The location scouting must have been really fun.

That's all I'm gonna say. Oh my god. Wow. Oh my god. Oh my god. That was amazing. Oh my god. Wow!

You know how to press. You know how to press with the eye contact. Oh my god. Trow. In it. This fucking moment, bitch. moment bitch oh my god that was incredible I am there I don't know how to like over hype that I'm so sorry I mean thank you thank you thank you that is really

fucking cool you are galvanized like you have not are you um okay without revealing too much you're you're like you're in your dancing bag in that video you kind of were already you were already but it's like it's like this is like rush was amazing and getting me started was I mean, but like this is like, this is like a level up. Thank you. I think. It's so, it was so interesting because I think, um, dancers like pick things up like that. And it's crazy.

And it's crazy. I don't know how to bring up. I don't know how to. I tried to dance was for rush. And I remember thinking like it's, it's, it's, these are neural pathways that I just don't have like. Yeah. It was so confusing.

And now it feels a little bit easier where like, I feel like I can look at someone and be like, damn, that core is really tight. right now while they are doing that you know what I mean it's like kind of you can understand what that would feel like whereas before I had no idea yep I just didn't like kind of there was no correlation between seeing what some one was doing and yeah knowing what it would feel like everything about that video is and Troy you really what they should be you really got a you really got to you really got to keep it going with all the acting stuff too really you have such presence it's like really incredible you're really

fucking good on camera. Thank you. I just feel like I have friends who sleep, eat, breathe acting. I totally get this. And I have never been like that. Yeah. You don't have to be. I yeah, so it's just like it's not something that I

like am dying for. I mean I feel like it's that thing of because you have so much to give you should only give what you want. It to a that's going to like actually you know so I get what you're saying because there's a lot of

people who it's like yeah because they are an actor and they're going to grind for that and they're going to want that they should be given certain opportunities to do it I feel like you're not going to be someone that's just going to take apart because you want to act because you know that there's like something that feeds your soul that you're able to do and so if there's going to be an opportunity for someone whose soul is going to be fed by doing something I totally get that but but know how I feel about music and yeah yeah I'm so obsessed with it the nuts done you don't have that same feeling towards towards I haven't but maybe if the right project came along I would feel differently or maybe it's about maybe I need to be a bit more

involved like on the production side right because I just find music really stimulates like every part of my brain and then showing up and acting I just I don't know I enjoy it but it's like like Like I said, I'm not like, there's so much. My thing with, at least for film and television or whatever, it's like there's just so much. And even with like theater, it's like there's so much buildup to it. You're not doing it really. Like it doesn't feel complete until it's like until it's done if that makes sense. Until like you're doing it in front of your, you're presenting it.

But with music, it's like, I'm sure you understand this. It's like the building of it is the thing. Yes. And then it's another special stage of it when it's being presented. It's like there's. I don't know, which is not to say that that's not true for acting, but it's like for you guys, it's like the fact that you're near, if you're near music,

if you're near music being made with Matt's album, it's like, you're just going to jump in there. There's no second thought about it. It's cool. Yeah. Wow. I am shook.

Honestly, it's like I wouldn't have placed it in that world. Totally. And now I'm like, that's the world in which it will live forever, which is such an interesting experience to have. Yes. It's like, I don't know.

actually I know exactly what I heard when I first heard the song which we're not going to say what it is but now that I have that visual context for it it's just so exciting because you realize there's boundless opportunities for its visual context

blank in the whatever you want really I know it must be really confounding for everyone to not know what we're talking about but just like trust that you will there's no way you don't love it that's all. You're going to want to take repeat rides. That's for sure. Um, well, that was fucking incredible. Thank you for sharing that with us.

And stay tuned. Do you have any dates to share about things about the album and stuff? You asked me about my dating life again. No, I mean like, in terms of like when, when we can expect this stuff. It's, you know what? I have no idea. Yeah. We'll be known by the time this comes out. Okay. All I'll say is it's a very quick rollout. Yeah. It's a very quick rollout. Is that good or bad? Great for me. Great love. Love. Love that. Absolutely love, especially I think because it is such a kind of like eclectic or, you know, I think maybe people, humbly, I made it. Obviously, I think this, I think that the album is best experience when listen top to bottom. It's like a journey, you know what I mean?

And so I think that's also kind of why we wanted to do a quick roll out is I'm like, I just want people to have the whole thing. Yes. Yeah, that's very generous. Behind every night spent making the kids lunches, there's a lot of suspense. Will they finally eat the veggies? Will the pesto survive the first bite? Will the lunchbox come home empty, half full, or come home at all? And will you finish episode 8 before you're done slicing the cucumbers?

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Yeah. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think So Honey's time starts now. Okay, so I don't think so, honey, apparently on Disney Plus, there is something called The Descendants, which is about the descendants of like, it's like the children of like Lomere and Mrs. Clock. What's her name, Mrs. Clock? Mrs. Potts.

I don't think so, honey. Cogsworth is, though, yeah. I don't think so, honey, that I need to think about, like, how these things reproduced. It's all about, like, oh, like, even though it's his son, is he going to be a lot like his dad? It's like, I understand we're living in a world. We're like, oh, yeah, this inanimate object is for, this is for children and it has a daughter. But I just feel like I can't stop thinking when you're talking about, like, oh, are they going to be just, like their mom, why would they be all right?

Because they had parents that fucked. And I don't want to think about like Mrs. Potts and Lumer having sex. Like I don't think it's worth having the show. And I'm in a great place with Disney right now. We had an amazing time at the theme parks. But I just, I personally don't think so honey that I need to think about like, you know, right after Be My Guest, like she was like, that was amazing baby. And then they fucked.

And as a result, like, now we have a little child from the descendants. And that's one minute. Now, I have so many questions. Same, I guess. Didn't they all turn back to human? Right. So, Becca Ramos, in the series, the descendants on Disney Plus, can you just double check, are they little inanimate objects, household things?

Or are they humans? They were people who were turned into by that witch. I wouldn't want to watch a show about them if it was about the human version. of them. I have no context for this whatsoever. I've got no idea what you're talking about. Yeah. Most of the main characters are human, though several possess magical or non-human

heritage. So then they can turn into things. Sorry what. They have non-human-heritage? It's live action on Disney Plus. It's like expanding the universe, like the kids, the descendants of these characters. So it's like, you know Mrs. Clark. Mrs. Potts.

Yeah. It's. It's descendants of a bunch of Disney characters. Oh. It's all, and they're all, for some reason, human teenagers, and the whole thing is, like, am I going to be like my, like, fucked mom and dad who was a spoon and a clock? Or, like, am I going to be, like, my mom's, like, my dad's scar.

You know what I mean? So is Jafar's son? He's human. First of all, Jafar having a son is crazy to me because he's about as gay as the day as long. Sargacy. What? Oh, surgacy. Sargacy.

Okay. So, okay. Becca, can you check in the show? show, did Jafar have a son by surrogacy, and that's why we can believe that he procreated? Never mind the fact that his son is human. He's human.

Oh my God, you're right. Yeah, yeah. He's a genie. He can just become a snake. Jafar and who? It's going to be like, he had a girlfriend named Megan in college. Like, Jafar and Jafar and Megan haven't spoken, but Megan came to the, I guess, where did he live? Agaba. Okay, it feels like this is an involved

dancer from Becca. And I know enough to know I still don't think so honey. Got it. But especially after hearing that some of them have in your words non-human heritage. Like my heritage is half cupboard, half Italian.

Oh Jesus. And so that is a non-human Right. That's not a human heritage. Although what we're forgetting is that they work all human at one point in Beauty and the Beast. Sure. I don't know. I just wanted to bring it up.

Okay. Look, this is our podcast. I just wanted to bring it up. Yeah. Are you ready? Do you have anything to say on this topic? I'm ready. No.

I'm ready. And mine also has to do with the work of Alan McKin and Howard Ashman. Oh, okay. Oh, great. This is Bowen Yang, so I don't think so funny as time starts now. I don't think so honey, the story of Little Shop of Horrors. I did not understand and realize until we had seen it off Broadway this weekend. An amazing performance.

Loved it. Run, don't want. Eton Slater, Claybourne Elder, Betsy Wolf, incredible cast of Little Shop of Horrors. I have always been familiar with the music in all my life. Howard Ashman is one of our greatest lyricists, writers, composers, I'm sorry, lyricists and writers. 30 seconds. It's a sad ending. That's all I'll say.

Yeah. Really, kind of Shakespearean. Well, yeah, I guess it's like a 30-year-old story at this point. Everybody dies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The 30-plus, 40. Everyone dies. 15 seconds, yeah.

It's kind of sad. Wow. And it's about the Faustian bargain of fame, which we're all familiar with, aren't we? And I guess that pretends doom for us. Five seconds. We're all going to get eaten by the plant. And that's what fame is. That's one minute.

I hadn't thought of Little Shop of Hars as a Faustian bargain with fame today. Wow. Yeah, that didn't cross my desk either. Isn't that what it is? I think that what happens a little... Are you familiar with Little Shop of Hars? Once again, I've absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I think you would really like this show.

Okay. Yeah. You know. What? Madonna's alive. I'm like a musical gay. That's okay. Madonna's alive.

I just, I didn't grow up with it. You hate Wicked? You loved it. I, I loved it. But I still would, I was like,

I, this is not my culture. I don't know what's going on. What if someone, what if someone was like, we're going to make a choice of a musical? I would say that's a bad idea. Genuinely.

Like, no, and I love it. I love it. It's the same reason Like I've never seen Sometimes when things get so Big and involved

I understand There is a culture here that I'm not a part of Sure Like it is too late for me To start watching Game of Thrones It is too late for me to I don't know, you know what I mean Like there's just things that I don't know about

And I'm kind of okay with that As a lover of music Doesn't appeal to you? You don't have to know It's a safe space I'll Let me do mine Here's what I'll say to you

Before you do yours Little Shop of Horrors would be a good one for you because it's dark and in a way kind of queer and it's like not something that if you watch you wouldn't be like because you don't love musicals already you're not like comparing it to everything else

which I would think would help see it as like this like weird alt kind of bizarre piece of art because it is I didn't grow up in a city with a lot of theater you weren't exposed and so my first exposure

at a theater was when I did it for the first time. Yeah. And when I was like 12. And I loved being a part of it. And I was like, wow, this is incredible. But even then I remember being like, people were talking about musicals that they loved and they had like listened to the

soundtrack and stuff like that. And I was like, oh my God, I've totally missed this boat. And I just never really caught it. It is a culture. Yeah. Maybe it'll happen later in life for me.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, speaking of, I'm sorry, I interrupted you. Speaking of catching it, it's like,

It is, it reminds me of like, Pokemon. Yeah. Where it's like, well, have you seen this and this and this? Or it's like, I've collected this and this and this. Oh, right. Like, it's the kind of culture. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You were like, have you seen this and this?

I'm like, no, girl. I haven't seen any of it. You thought Pokemon was a musical game? No, no, no. I thought you said, have you seen this, this, this, this, this, this. This, this and this and this. Yes. The musical.

I, I, I'm not seen anything. Is a great title. Yeah, it actually is. Title of Ep is correctamundo of this episode. Yeah. Correctamundo is so. No, but there's also volume loss. Volume loss.

There's a lot going on titles-wise in the episode. I did want to say one thing, which is it's crazy that the big version of your Wolverine is Mr. musical. I know. You know what I mean? And, I mean, Mulan Rouge is one of my favorite movies. Exactly. It's not like an absolute no-go zone.

I just need, I need maybe a, maybe I should add this to the criteria for my husband. Someone who is willing to handhold me and teach me. That's love. About musicals. Okay. you ready to do your own things honey sure I think so here we go this is Troy Savans I don't think so honey as time starts now I don't think so honey singing I am not fishing for compliments I'm not that good at it and I'm okay

with that no but I think sometimes I will be in the car and I'll sing I was just me and something so diabolical will come out of my mouth but I'm like I truly really scammed the world. And the fact that I have the same job as Beyonce is just an insane thought. But now I will say I care a lot about tone and storytelling. And so I do, I understand, I get it. The real magic though is when somebody has tone storytelling and they can sing, sing. Like Ariana Gandhi, Whitney Houston, Shadeh. These are like, you know, technical. But I'm just saying the idea of me doing karaoke or like Singing at any point where I don't absolutely have to. I will not do it.

And it's not that fun. It's fun at my shows because I'm in control. But any other time, absolutely not. No, thank you. Doing TV performances, hell on earth. Hell on earth. The least fun thing you can possibly do as a human being. I don't think so, honey, he says, and that's his one minute plus.

And now it's time for Troy Zavon to sing. Oh, my God. Well, here's the thing. Even happy birthday, like, I'm just like. Oh, no. Well, that's, yeah. I remember, I remember when we were at. Brett's together and I was for the first time ever putting like background vocals on

something and you were saying like that's like one of your favorite parts because it's like escaping you know what I mean it's like it's not the quote unquote singing part and then I remember you said like I barely sing and I remember I heard you say that and then the back of my mind I was like that's so funny that he said he barely sings I I am a good like talk singer no no no here's what's happening you are placing your you're you're placing value in a kind of vocal quality that like people prize. Right.

But like, just because you, just because you like don't sing the right note in the car, doesn't mean you're a bad singer. No, I know. I'm being self-deprecating because I really do, I really do value. Like some of my favorite singers are not very, not very good, you know, technically. Yeah. Maybe they've got a very small range or something like that. But I, like, believe them.

Yes. But like I said, the magic zone is when somebody can just do all of it. And that must be so fun. If you're, if you're Ariana, or if you're Whitney or whatever, or like, Zara Larson, that must be so fun to be able to just, like, do that all the time, you know? But even there, even Ari is like, on this album is like, I'm not going to give you, like, the belt. I'm going to keep it, like, really restrained. She can do, she can do it all. Like, she, her restraint is gorgeous.

Her belt is gorgeous. Right. You know, there's an endless possibility. The thing that she said recently, which is, I think sometimes people, you know, she's, forget about Ariana when they're talking about the fact that she's not belting on her recent albums like people know she can. It's that if anyone knows her voice in the and what it can do, it's Ariana Grande. She literally is someone who is a studied vocalist. So when she is not doing those things, it is on purpose because that is what best suits her musical output. And I think

she even says, while she knows her voice is super special, she actually thinks her best quality is her ear and the way that she can hear everything together because as an artist her voice is not her only instrument. So she's like allowed to do whatever the fuck she wants with it and she's still using the entire breadth of her artistic

tool. And guess who also hates karaoke? Arena Grande. Really? We invited her to go to to come to karaoke with us after her show which was, and then I laughed. I was like... To be fair, I'm surprised. like I'm acting surprised, but I also think... Singers don't like it.

Yeah, if you're a singer and you like go with your friends and then you sing in front of them, like, it's like everyone knows that you can sing. We just wanted her to come and like hang. Right. Because like her friends were like like like we were all going. Like her friends were all going. And then we were like, I was like come to karaoke.

And she was like, I'm not going to do that. Yeah. It must be so annoying. Everyone must think that she's going to like, it must be no fun. She has to go up there and sing like a perfect, you know, insane performance. And that's the gag of the night.

Like, no, what if she just wants to, like, get drunk and hang out with everyone and sing terribly? But can you imagine if she was the kind of person that was like, I love karaoke? And then she was like, no chance, no way. And did, like, all ran the show at karaoke. You'd be like, huh, I didn't expect this. I don't know if I love it. There's a powerhouse, like, famous, amazing diva who loves karaoke and does it, like, full

out. Is it Adele? that's that's that's that's that's charming that makes it i knew that about her it's a that's such a gag that's that's that's what a gag it is it's like i love that that that's it's a personality thing i'm coming and i'm shredding i think kelly clarkson too loves karaoke see that that is really fun i take it back what i said that's really fun to be there while they do that yeah oh my god no it would also i have a friend of ours years and years and years ago was at a wedding this i was at the same wedding as cynthia orivo

This is like pre this is like post color purple but pre her being Cynthia in the way that we know her now and I guess at some point how will I know by Whitney Houston came on and Cynthia just in the middle of the floor just gave how will I know full power like no mic just while they're all dancing at the wedding like everyone's just on the ground like enjoying how will I know while the band or the DJ played but that Cynthia was like absolutely giving people eye contact. Ripping How well I know when everyone was just like, ugh, like it's so good. Wow. We're nutted. Some people just love to sing. Troy has to go. The little computer over there is saying, which breaks our heart because this has been so fun. So fun, guys.

Thank you for having me. I really feel like this is going to be a very special moment for you and you deserve it. We'll see. Let's sing a song as we end every episode. Okay. Should you go to an oldie? You know I've actually, this song actually helped me. Okay.

I bloom, I bloom just for you. I bloom just for you. And now this is, yeah, that wasn't bad. That was good. I like that little. You. You. Competitive with each other?

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