Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Crushes, Enemies, and the Press" (w/ Pat Regan)

Episode Date: November 16, 2022

In the words of one cookie-loving mouse… “The bitch is back.” Pat Regan returns to Las Cultch bearing a newfound obsession with breaking the fourth wall and telling people their FYP is showing. Matt comes in to infect the masses with Meghan Trainor’s latest hooks, and Bowen asks a most pressing question in the culture: Who is mother for this? Stick around for asides on Housewives interactions, The White Lotus, and the concept of using acting to win a competition. And you better believe we draw similarities between Robyn Dixon and Nancy Salzman. Rule Number Culture: We made you look! (Sung to tune of Meghan Trainor song.)See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong, Las C culture? Yes. Oh my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling.

It's sort of a fraught, tense atmosphere because our guest is threatening to infiltrate the podcast too early. To push in, he says. Quote unquote, push in. And I'm just like very nervous because I said, if you give a mouse a cookie, he's going to want a glass of milk. That's actually rule of culture number 48. If you give a mouse a cookie, he's going to want a glass of milk. That's actually rule of culture number 48. If you give a mouse a cookie, he's going

to want a glass of milk. And more. Oh no, see? And more. And more afterwards. When will it be enough? Can you just answer that question? Well, according to that famous fable that is written to teach us all a lesson about human nature.

And control. And mouse nature. And control of mouse nature. And portion control. And portion control now more than ever. And now more than ever, portion control is important. Take on me with an amazing take. Am I in? I know. I'm messing it up.

I'm trying to decide what is the most comedic choice to make in terms of pushing in and waiting. Please do not worry. The best comedic choice is whatever choice you make. And now we're breaking the fourth wall and I'm going to go ahead and speak to Candice's actually who's winning me over this season. By breaking the fourth wall. And leave my whole

fourth wall moment and don't take a second of it out. Amazing. We've talked about this three separate episodes now. Oh really? Including this one. It gets an award for most iconic fourth wall breaking. The moment I keep talking about it is when she like, she's facing Giselle, she goes, what are you doing? And then she turns to the camera, what are we doing? I know,

I know. She's really doing well. I loved it. I love when the show decides to sort of tilt the camera one way to show another camera. Yes. And then you think, okay, we're in a different space, we're in a different world. And that's them saying like, now what we're talking about and what we're commenting on is the process of making reality television

and that is breathtaking so would you consider all this fourth world breaking of lost college like we really tried to do our I know we tried to do our thing our little up top our little tip you tried to embrace your traditions and your history by doing you know what you do up top but

sometimes someone comes in and really pushes in yeah and takes the glass of milk yeah that's the thing is like what i said right before was if we give him this inch he will take a whole mile he will take over the podcast which i know is what some readers really truly want can i tell you something i posted the trailer for my showtime comedy special matt rogers have you heard of christmas and pat regan is very much at the top of the trailer. More comments about Pat Regan being in the trailer

than the trailer itself. I swear to God. People are going to watch. Millions are going to watch because of Pat Regan. Honey, all that matters is people are going to watch. You're so right.

And that's why I cast him. I'm using him. Just like I'm using him today to promote my special. Your supporting role. Your supporting role. I'm so upset. Should we introduce him? Yeah. Our guest today is of course the co-host of the seek treatment podcast he's a writer for hacks

going on three seasons now okay and not everyone makes it from room to room room culture is extremely difficult very political especially when you work for you know the best in the biz and so there's a lot of turnover but not with our quick little cat our little cat well we love him so much he's a beloved fixture on the podcast and his absence has always felt you know him from his upcoming projects um which include matt rogers have you heard of christmas and wish he has a supporting role it's so wonderful first of all my cut in the trailer is a little whatever. What are you talking about? Why are you dragging my trailer? I'm not dragging your trailer.

I'm dragging my performance in the trailer. But then you dragged my director. So let me tell you something. I'm not dragging your director, honey. When you come for your performance to anything, you drag the director, you drag the project, you drag the creator. That's not true.

Don't Catherine Heigl me. You sat here and played in my face and keep my fourth wall in. I need Eric. Where is Eric? Where is Eric? here in my face you sat here and played in my face and keep my fourth wall in i i need eric where's eric we need eric on call on the ready this whole episode because i just feel like eric is gonna need to be brought in you were stunning in the trailer you were stunning in the trailer i was most importantly stunning in the trailer we were december 2nd pat regan is in matt rogers have you heard of Christmas?

And Bowen Yang Well, the thing is like, they all knew that Because of course Deadline announced But didn't they announce Pat as well? They did not, that was a big secret You know, I'm wondering if Whatever, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna talk about the press today I don't want to talk about my crazy relationship with the press today

Absolutely I'm so sick of my relationship with the press. And please welcome our guest. Can you talk about your relationship with the press? Can you elaborate with your relationship? Okay. Well, the press never acknowledges me as a person. And then when they do, they do choose to kind of, they find their little ways. Actually, I can't, you know, I just want to do a lab and really talk about my relationship with the press. So I can't be that person who's always talking about their relationship with the press.

Even though I'm being so ironic and jokey about it. Which is what's so crazy. It's not, though, because... So, like, Julio Torres posited when he was on the podcast recently that all pop stars have three eras, which is circus, surveillance, and Christmas. But I think a fourth one, which I don't think fits into surveillance,

is press relationship. Totally. And this is an important way. It's a subsect. I don't think so. You don't think so? Reputation is press. It's not surveillance. Okay, you're right. You know what I'm saying? So what is her surveillance album then? I think surveillance is a subset of press.

That is interesting. So what you're doing is you're saying Julio was wrong. No, I'm just kind of... That's what you said. And this is press right now. We're in the iHeartRadio building. Yes, we are in this building that's really hearkening back to yesteryear.

It's interesting. Talk about how it hearkens back to yesteryear because we all were in agreement about this when we walked down the hallway. Well, it's just like from that time when offices were made to have ping pong tables. And that was kind of groundbreaking. And bright colors.

But didn't you want to work at one of those places? Of course I did, and still do. I would get on my knees. If someone told me I could suck cock to work at BuzzFeed in 2008, I would have been like, I could have my Gucci on. This is the song I play when I get to my knees. I could wear the Louis Vuitton, but even with nothing on, I made you look, I made you look.

So Matt sang the song the second he stepped out the elevator to greet us. And we didn't know it. We didn't know the song. He looked at us agog. Yeah, I have such a relationship with music where like I will sometimes really delve into an album like this is my album i'll delve into and i did that of course with midnights but then i was like kind of craving more so i searched for someone recommended to me um tuvalu like that one i listened to it for the first time on a run and sometimes when you're listening on a run like you're not ready for something the first time around because you

need to know like going in. The landscape. You need to know like what to think about. Like, should I be thinking about my crushes? Should I be thinking about like my enemies? Should I be thinking about like my relationship with the press? Crushes, enemies, and the press.

If this isn't a future star, I have no idea who it is. Well, you know, I'm a Scorpio. So crushes, enemies, and press are really my- That's the major. My major relationship. And the same over here. Him, his crushes, his enemies, I'm a Scorpio, so Crushers, Enemies, and Press are really my major relationships. And same over here. Him is Crushers, Enemies, and the Press.

Crushers, Enemies, and the Press title of episode. Okay, what were you talking about? I was talking about this with Guy Branum, the divide, the cultural divide between October and November Scorpios. Oh, what are you saying? You and I are sitting across from each other right now. Right, and we're connected for life because we're Scorpios. But we're also divided. We've also had such different experiences.

Absolutely. Because of that divide. And there's smaller amount. But you're literally cussed. So that's what I said. And then Guy said, no, you're not. And I said- Well, he can be very argumentative. He can be very toxic and argumentative.

It's so true. It's really hard. I'm so happy. It's really hard. I'm so happy. It's very hard to go and be beaten up every day. Yeah, yeah. Psychologically. But he's saying

that it's pure binary. There's no such thing as an in-between October and November. But I guess I was used to identify as a cusp Scorpio. No, you're not. Yeah, and so that's

where Guy was coming from. It was that place of no. So you're a guy both reside in a place of no and you come towards me from that place and that's cool. That's okay. But you're a guy, both reside in a place of no, and you come towards me from that place, and that's cool, that's okay. But you're both November Scorpios, so what can I expect? And that's actually very characteristic.

You know what I think? I could have my Gucci on. I could wear my Louis Vuitton. But even with nothing on, I made you look good. Now Matt is doing just waist up dancing and it's actually really good

well can I just say background on this this is the biggest song on TikTok for gay people oh really and if you don't have TikTok and are not a gay person

you do not know the song it does not exist it is not a hit is this a fact this is I'm telling you if we were to go on my TikTok right now

because that's your TikTok no no no it is all gay people's TikTok it's your FY on my TikTok right now because that's your TikTok no no no it is all gay people's TikTok it's your FYP it's my FYP that's your FYP I think what happened was like TikTok has decided

I'm gay your FYP is showing it's a rule of culture number 49 did I just say that no it's a 48 actually it's a 49 right after

your FYP is showing well my my FYP is showing well my my FYP is like giving that one Meghan Trainor song which I swear to God is not a hit

we only it's a household name song if you're gay and on TikTok yeah if you're in a gay TikTok household there's a dance

there's a dance to it too and I was even thinking this is how TikTok has impacted me I even thought about learning the dance and posting it but then I was like

there has to be some twist I can't just earnestly do this trend maybe you can but maybe you can and maybe is that very millennial of me to be like um yes no i think millennials are not earnest or are they no i think millennials are like very ironic and like you know right and so that's why i feel like we all have like uh like a sensitivity to like watching people like expose themselves earnestly you know what i'm saying i would say gen z has that too i don't know what gen z is gen z has an anxiety i will say but like millennials kind of came in and they're like they took anxiety and they're like this is gonna be our thing exactly i feel like millennials are like we're saying what our damage is out loud,

and Gen Z is like, whatever. They're doing the damage. They're like, we actually don't care that much, because burn it down. We've actually grown up in a world where we've heard all this stuff, and it's like, ugh, stop. You know, I was surrounded by Gen Z this weekend. You were? In Boston. In Boston, I was surrounded by Gen Z. Runners?

No, my cousins, because I stayed at their house because they live in Boston, and they surrounded by Gen Z. Runners? No, my cousins, because I stayed at their house, because they live in Boston. And they're my youngest cousins. And they're all from eighth grade to senior, is their spread. And they're three. And so when I saw them at a wedding, like, a couple months ago, I told them I was staying at their house. And I was like, oh, my gosh, Carrie, Amanda, Samantha, Charlotte. And then the oldest one, who's a senior, looks at me blankly and they go from Sex and the City.

Sex and the City Girls. And she goes, I've never watched that and no one I've known has ever watched that. Oh, that was a power play. Yeah. In a big way. It was huge. It was cool. It's the look and the head tilt.

Yeah. It's the head tilt. It's the head tilt for me. What's her show where she gets to find out what women really say? I don't know. You know, I did take the sex lives of college girls because I got news for you. Women aren't really saying that girl sex, sex lives of college girls. Maybe I have to hold space.

I'm feeling not not nervous. Isn't the word. But, you know, I hope I deliver an amazing podcast episode. What? Where did that come from? Yeah, let's unpack. I think because your readers are so kind to me that I'm like, I hope I can give them...

So therefore, the ceiling is high, the floor is high as well. I know, but also it's like, I want to give them what they want. You are giving them what they want by even being here. I guess I'm just flustered and befuddled that this is even where this has gone because the fact that we now have to coddle you

and take care of you on a podcast where our readers like you more than us already. My favorite thing to do is coddling Pat, which is not what we're doing. It's not even what we're doing. No, but Pat is wearing UPS brown because guess what? He's delivering. Oh my God. Is that what we're calling a UPS brown? That's really good, bro.

I got this in your hometown. Of Denver, Colorado? Or Aurora, Colorado? Fort Collins, Colorado. Oh, that's not my... All of Colorado and some of Wyoming are your hometown. That's fair. Much of Montana is your hometown. Much of Montana.

What would you call Englewood, your hometown adjacent? Englewood. Englewood is hometown adjacent. Yeah. There are excerpts of Denver that I've never even seen. Yeah. Never breathed the air there. Yeah.

So in some ways, rarefied. When will you return to Denver this year? Christmas time. Okay. Why do we ask? Well, because I have a show in Denver. Like Taylor Swift and Moona. Right.

Exactly. You're coming. Yes. You're taking after them by doing that. I'm taking after Taylor Swift and Moona. I'm following in their lead. Victor Carlesi. No, there's so many comedians I don't know nowadays.

And then I learn about them and I'm obsessed. Josh Sharpe and I are going to start a new live show in New York because I want it. You want the children. You want to be mother. No, no, no, no. It's one because I'm like, oh, that part of my brain

is atrophied. I need to like, do like a full transplant. And I need to like get this going again because I remember liking it even though I wasn't that good at it.

I was like, let me just work the muscle again and also just to get the kids in. Yeah, of course of course i don't even know who they are anymore now people ask me like oh i'm in new york who should i who should i go see who should i book on my show who did it and i'm like oh wow the girls are not the girls anymore no you know what i mean now they're all scattered about i'm still i'm like literally like a vicky gunn wilson figure who's like still i'm still in the scene as like truly like all of my contemporaries have moved on and up for it and I'm just

kind of of course famously Vicky narrative is all the people she was on the show with in the beginning are now huge stars that's her narrative what was like the real OG who they wanted the show to be around or the OC was it oh I would have thought it was Vicky to be honest and then there was

another one though there was season one OC oh my god this is would have thought it was Vicky to be honest. And then there was another one though. There was season one of OC. Oh my God, this is going to be hard. It was, well, Gina. Gina Kehoe. I actually love her and will willingly die for her unless like.

Shane Kehoe, she had a hot son. She had a hot son. And the Bravo producers really tried to make it seem like her son and another housewife might fuck. Wow.

I remember them like filming them them in Gina's grotto because Gina obviously had a grotto near her pool. And was there a lower third that said Gina's grotto? I don't think they were in that place yet. They weren't smart enough then. It wasn't like nowadays where there will be a lower third, which is like Angie Harrington and her husband are on the bottom of the site in quotes,

grown ass man. Realizers back then didn't know how to wing. No, they didn't. No, they didn't know how to wing. Because, they didn't. No, they didn't know how to wink. Because they were too earnest. They were too earnest. But I almost like that.

I almost like that. Do you know what I mean? But the son fucking one of the housewives is very like the OC as in the show. Totally. It's literally giving

Desperate Housewives plotline. That was what it was trying to do and to be and to feel and to make you feel. Right. So that's why they did that.

And it was like Joe, because the original OC housewives had one person other lineup was a truly 23 year old fiance kind of like a

stay at home fiance and that was Joe De La Rosa Joe De La Rosa gorgeous girl by any standard but not ultimately what the franchise

would give us and we'd say we were looking for that no but they wanted her to be kind of an Eva Longoria it was very much like they came in they put up like a cork board

they put up you know Eva and they. They put up, you know, Eva. And they said, who's our Marcia Cross? Who's our Felicity? Yes. And was Vicky sort of the Felicity Huffman?

I don't know who they might have wanted Vicky to be. Maybe she was her own thing and that's why she succeeded. And that's what I want to say to everyone listening to the podcast. If you want to succeed,

be your own thing. You have to push into your originality. Right, Bowen? Absolutely. Right, Pat? And I think that you have to really stand out as yourself.

Don't try to be anyone else. And to kind of say something that I invented and then a phrase that I coined, being yourself is your superpower. And that's a phrase that I did write down for the first time

and published widely. Okay, but for real, to really start the podcast, what superpower would you have if you could have any superpower? I thought about this all the time as a child. Well, downstairs you said one thing. You wanted to have Catwoman claws

so you could go through glass. Yes, because we were trapped in a glass chamber, an Obama-era glass chamber. We were walking down the hallway and iHeart has this super fun feature where when you walk down the hallway, music plays. A million different radio stations play.

Yeah, yeah. Every time you, oh, I didn't even, I didn't even think of them as being radio stations. Bahid, is that what that is? Engineer Bahid. That's what that is. He's nodding. Okay, yeah. So every time you walk by, if you walk one inch, actually, a different kind of track starts playing to create this kind of cacophony of songs.

Cacophony was a really good word for it. And then it's all white so I did say it harkened back to when Cameron Diaz was walking through the way in a white jumpsuit and she looks back

and you see just her face. Yes. And that was their way of getting through that portion of the heist or whatever they were doing. And then there was a glass wall

and I remembered when I was little so small. Wow, his eyes just lit up. He's really going back. I was watching Batman cartoon. I was watching Batman cartoon. I remember, oh my gosh, I'm having so many memories.

Thank God. This is the place to dump them. Lost Cult is the place to dump memories. And Catwoman had to steal something because that was her job. That was how she made her money. Very much a vigilante thief. She was a cat burglar.

And so she put her nails up against the glass and just rotated them in a perfect circle, came out of the glass, and she reached in and grabbed a necklace or something. Yes. And I'm sure they didn't show this in the show, but I'm sure she would sell that necklace. Yeah, probably.

And she would probably make thousands of dollars. To feed her family. To feed her family. Her wealth. To start some savings and she put a down payment down somewhere

you know I just rewatched Batman Returns it really which one does that remind me it's the Michelle Pfeiffer one with Catwoman which is why I segue into this I didn't just pull this one

out of my ass Pat it wouldn't be random to talk about like a different Batman series from what we've been discussing I wouldn't have been like how did he get there

talking about Batman and Robin? Well, I'm really going A to B here. I'm just jumping from really one Catwoman film to the other Catwoman, sorry, project, which is Batman Returns. Because I don't really recognize other Catwomans. I do love Anne. Anne, I think

I think about Anne often. She ate in tour. Anne was mother for that one. She left no crumbs. She was so mother. She absolutely left not a single crumb. I mean, the whole like,

those heels hurt and then she kicks the guy in the balls. I don't know. Do they? Oh my God. I never saw that, but I will say one thing I hate

is what I call like Marvel humor, which is a story. Yeah, yeah. And I'm someone who's deeply entrenched in the Marvel universe. But we were saying this on Stradio Lab that Marvel humor

is like the successor to like random sauce shit like Stradio Lab that Marvel humor is like the successor to like random sauce shit from yesteryear. Marvel humor is Scar Jo like fighting like a bunch of guys and then like her phone rings and she's like,

hey, kind of busy right now. Yeah. Which they literally did that in Charlie's Angels. Yeah, literally. Cameron invented that. Cameron invented that. Hey, I really like that guy.

Yeah. I wish Cameron had stormed into the Marvel breaking her retirement into that movie and said, hey, I invented that. And. Yeah. I wish Cameron had stormed into the Marvel breaking her retirement into that movie and said, hey, I invented that. And suddenly the multiverse is open because Scarlett Johansson

as Black Widow is fighting Natalie, aka Cameron Diaz, as a Charlie's Angel. And that would have been the multiverse for me. That would have been the bag multiverse I needed.

But they would never do that. They would never. 100,000%. The Real Housewives of New York City are back for another bite of the Big Apple. Look who it is. Joined by elite new friends. Rebecca Minkoff. Have you ever heard of her? But things could change in a New York Minute.

She had this wild night and ended up getting pregnant by some other guy. What? You told her? Not today, Satan. Not today. The Real Housewives of New York City, all new Tuesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez.

Elian, Elian. Elian Gonzalez. Elian, Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami.

Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest

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in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Did you guys cry during Endgame? Yeah, I did. I did cry during Endgame. I cried two times during Endgame.

Against my better... Judgment. Angels. Yeah. I was stoned with Jolken Booster. Was it the Iron Man of it all? It was the funeral. It was my funeral.

So for me, it was the Iron Man, but it was also the cliff. Oh, the cliff. That was the first one. That was... No, that was Endgame, I believe. It was Endgame. ScarJo dying? Yeah. No, that was not. No, it's like The Cliff. Oh, The Cliff. That was the first one. That was... No, that was Endgame, I believe. It was Endgame. ScarJo dying?

Yeah. No, that was not. No, it's like halfway through Endgame. It was. Sweetie. Oh, you're right. It just happens very early. Because you're shocked

when you're paying for the movie. Bowen, your FYP is showing. Wait, no. I actually think ScarJo, Black Widow dying was Infinity War. No, it wasn't. We cannot, as three men of gay stature... Yeah, we can't get into it. actually think Scar Jo Black Widow dying was I'm almost no no it wasn't we cannot as three men of gay

stature yeah we can't we can't get men of gay stature we can't as in gayness is a stature the reason why I think we can talk about it is because we have to get to the bottom of this because I remember when I saw Endgame in the theaters I'm sitting there with Greta and Abe and I remember

Scarlett Johansson as Black Widow spoiler alert dies like literally less than halfway through the movie and I saw Endgame in the theaters. I'm sitting there with Greta and Abe, and I remember Scarlett Johansson, as Black Widow, spoiler alert, dies like literally less than halfway through the movie, and I turned to Greta, and I was like, why the fuck am I here? Yeah. To watch these guys do the rest of this?

Yeah. Like, come on now. I'm getting her mixed up with Green Lady. Yes, I knew you were, no offense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Zoe Saldana. Yeah. Oh, mama.

Yeah, yeah, mama. Oh, so what you meant to say was mama well she's about to come back in The Way of Water I can't wait for Avatar 2 The Way of Water the last thing I'll say

and this is gay leaning though it does deal I did not want to come in and talk about Marvel at all Dave Wasserman I've seen enough this gay leaning podcast

is officially gay you know because they had that moment that was amazing for women in the final fight sequence when all the women come together and pose like they should have played that let's go girls they literally should have played that and then scarja who was such a woman of these films like doesn't get to be in the crazy ladies shot you know i know that sucked it really sucked there's a scarlet shaped hole in that shop absolutely which is a gorgeous hole i might say

you're talking about batman returns yeah i was talking about oh yeah but what were you gonna say oh i think i was gonna say michelle pfeiffer i think i was gonna say that movie was so she was so mother for that. But one has, but one has really become obsessed with the phrase. So mother, it's so funny. Where did you get that?

Where'd you get it? Where'd you get it? From the culture. I know, but it's so funny to repurpose that. Oh, it definitely is. Sarah Sherman and I want to write a sketch where we're all baby birds. And we're like,

wait, what is like, like just like the, like the, the mother bird, like vomiting up like a worm for us. And I're like, wait, what is that? Just like the mother bird vomiting up a worm for us and us being like, ew, you're not mother for this. Stupid.

That seems like it has clear three beats. Absolutely. It's gonna carry. The out is so perfect. We're like, ew, our house is made of sticks and shit. We're going and then we go. So at the political institution that is Saturday Night Live, is it sort of like dancing in the street now that the midterms are over and it's gone so well for the dams yes where everyone is sucking and fucking yeah i haven't sucked a dick in so long i actually

haven't either yeah wait that's not true wait i haven't felt something while i've had yeah yeah yeah yeah i don't like it and i'm actually on record on this podcast as saying sometimes I'll wake up by myself and I don't know what happens. I'll blink my eyes awake in the middle of the night and I'll have a craving to suck cock and I'll turn to my left and be positive there's someone else there and then there's not and I'll be like

I made you look. That's my dream saying to me. And then I go to bed and I wake up and I'm like, ah, forget it. But then when it's actually happening and I actually have the opportunity and it's literally actually in process, I'm like, well, I'd rather die than do this for one more second.

Yeah, I know. Is that so funny? That's why I said recently, I said, I don't know if I'm gay. I know you are. It's like that David Sedaris thing that he did on 60 Minutes. Oh, I didn't see that.

What is that? Oh, people were angry because he was like, I'd like to, I want to say, this is terrible David Sedaris. Yeah, it's more like Donald Duck than anything.

It's kind of Dorinda. It's kind of Dorinda. It's kind of Dorinda. He was like, I want to say, I'm here to announce that I'm straight because I'm not like,

I hate, he basically was like, I hate the term queer. Oh. It was one of those things sometimes I'm like why do people care about anything well because remember that queer was like only used as an insult I know

and also it's like it's like a trigger even when it first became the thing just to umbrella term queer for the LGBTQ plus community I was kind of like oh that doesn't sit right in my spirit because it was such a negative thing all my life and then I feel like now i'm over it whatever but i can understand someone of david sidaris's generation being like oh i don't know about queen right yeah yeah well i will say that

i actually recently was talking with a lesbian older lesbian okay and this lesbian was mother and she said that whenever she hears it she has trouble because that was such a like yeah you would it was literally let's come up with a new word oh my god where's the energy should it just be like $3 bill like she is so $3 bill for that one yeah yeah yeah maybe $3 bill Phil is exclusive to

gay addicts why? oh yeah I thought you meant addicts no no no no like those addicted do you think it would be mother to

have a show at $3 bill like I was looking at the space $3 bill it would be mother to have a show and I thought like cause I'm thinking about

creating a new show with a new concept and I thought maybe he just stole that from you he just stole that from you he just stole that from me I invented shows he just decided that

like right before right after you just said you and Josh you invented shows my friend says he's starring in a live show and then imagine what position that puts me in

yeah where then my other friend says he's starring in a live show right after yeah that's not a cool position to be in

no and whose side are you on I need to reflect this is not a cool position for him to be in this is not a cool position for him to choose a side do you guys watch

new love is blind no I hear it's so wild. Yeah. In what ways? It's just truly more of the same. It's just truly more of the same in a good way. But at one point, a girl and a guy are in a fight and she says like, no, bro,

don't do that or something like that. And it's like, it's every straight girl's dream. It's like a certain kind of straight girl's dream to be in a relationship with a guy and in a fight and call him bro. Cause it's like, I'm actually a cool girl and like, whatever. It's so tri-state area culture though.

Totally. Bro, like you can't do that, bro. Like a straight girl, just like weaponizing the word bro in that way. It's like, Ooh.

I know, but it is interesting. You know, love is blind is actually, you should win a Pulitzer prize for like their exploration of a certain type of straight woman. Cause it really is interesting. Elaborate. Um, just this kind of woman who's going to go in those paths to find a husband is like.

It's a different thing from The Bachelor. It's different because Bachelor, at least at this point, is like more, it's a different kind of woman. It's a woman who is more invested in a certain kind of Instagram. And love is blind. People want Instagram followers too, don't get me wrong. But they also, to me, seem almost even more genuinely interested in finding a version of love and being a certain kind of straight girl they're i don't know actually i might be tracked all this because i can't quite

articulate i have to think more well no i i think this every now and then like i thought that with what show is it the spinoff show oh i didn't watch that i didn't watch it i don't know the ultimatum the ultimatum. The ultimatum. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. That's interesting because you're meeting the couples from episode one. Yeah.

And you already see like the way that they operate. It's interesting. I have to say, Vanessa Lachey really upsets me on the show. Is it because she gets very involved? I just don't like

her performance choices. But I, but you know, that's okay to say. But you know who is wonderful? Who? I'm obsessed with her, that's okay to say. But you know, who is wonderful? Who? I'm obsessed with her

and I keep wanting to run into her in the building is Alex Wagner. Have you watched The Mole? Not yet. Oh my God. Pat, it is so good.

I watched it on Rachel in 2002 with my cousins, girlies. We made big dates to watch The Mole when New Mole was coming out. Were you just in Boston with cousins?

Those were my younger cousins who don't know about The Mole. They could know about it. What is the proper setup for you to... I know, I know. I will watch the mole. I just keep being in the place

where I'm like not... You know, you have to sometimes take on more people into your life. Like you need to be in a certain place where you're ready to invest. Of course.

And I think I just haven't been ready to invest in the people on the mole for some reason. I don't know why. Every time I'm going to watch this, I know Joel says it's unbelievable. It really is good. I will watch it.

I will. It's one of those things, and I don't think this happens rarely, but like me, Bowen, and Joel are all enthusiastic about it. Yeah, I'm going to watch it. And I think also to redirect and answer your question, if you wanted to meet Alex Wagner, I think all you'd have to do is make a quick call. I don't want to arrange anything. I just want to run into her in the hallway and just wave. We should be like, hey, is it cool

if Bowen says hi to Alex Wagner? She'll be like, okay, cool, meet on this floor. And then she arrives and it's a podcast set up with us. And then she has to sit down and be on the pod. And that would be a mother. And Alex Wagner would actually be interesting to have on the pod. She would be amazing to have on the pod. Yeah, she would be amazing to have on the pod yeah she would be amazing

to have on the pod that's like when I did a sketch for Z-Way there was like in the room next to me but it was like rooms that were just

curtains you know and I saw the curtain room next to me was Luann Della Sepp who I've never met and so I was like I do want to meet her and so I told the producer

I was like I want to like meet Lu yeah you told us the story of Lou. The story of Lou. Before we ever even were interested in Housewives. I know.

You said the story of Lou. I know. You've done us an important kindness. Thank you. And I'm serious. Oh my God. He really was. I mean, that was a steward.

A steward for the culture. You're pissing me off. Okay, we'll keep going. I'm one second away from getting up, taking off my mic, and leaving. Did you learn that from Lou? Was she a divward stop you're pissing me off okay we'll keep going I'm one second away from getting up taking off my mic and leaving did you learn that from Lou

was she a diva when you met her um it was funny I hope it's okay to say this is like was my experience of Lou so first of all

you know it's a big kind of warehouse space and we all knew Lou we all being me knew that Lou was coming at some point and she was shooting

afterwards and so it was kind of like a quiet on set moment. It was like they're shooting something and then all of a sudden you heard literally as though a horse was walking in like clop, clop, clop, clop, clop. And it was Lou Anne walking in with a puffer holographic jacket on

and like a newsboy cap and a dress under. And she was walking in with her team in the loudest shoes ever in this like you know how it's like it could be. It's the same floor as like a Costco you know what I mean yeah yeah and her shoes

and like it was a big space it took her so long to cross the space that they had to kind of like stop shooting I feel and then

whatever they go back on they start shooting again I'm sitting next to dear friend of the pod dear castmate and have you heard of Christmas

Joe Firestone and we hear another Streaming December 2nd. Clap, clap, clap. All of a sudden, again, for another like seven minutes, it's Lou. She's like, put her stuff down

and she's coming to look at Crafty. She's like, what did they have? And she kind of like peruses Crafty. What do we have here? And then that goes back. Anyways, it was just like, you gotta stop walking so far

in those shoes. And then afterwards i waited around specifically and then finally like one of the producers were like luan this is pat all of a sudden she looked up i you know when you like all of a sudden have to say something you're like oh i actually have nothing this just happened to me with kathy hilton oh my god so what what did you say i said i'm a huge fan yeah what i said was i just want to say team kathy it was the worst moment of my life. And she goes, okay.

She's like, alright. You know, one time I was at, I have to say, I think it was the contended Elton John Oscar party

because it was in like 2008 on Beverly Hills. It was litigated. Oh, that one. I think I was at that one because, you know,

Jordan Firstman was there and he had worked with Lisa Rinna and I don't even think he was a Housewives fan but he knew I was and he was like, I'm going to go see Lisa Rinna and I don't even think he was a Housewives fan, but he knew I was and he was like, I'm going to go say to Lisa Rinna,

do you want to come? And I went over, it was similar, like, she obviously, like, had things to say with Jordan, but like,

I didn't have really anything to say, but you know when you do just want them to remember you? Yeah. Like, say something like so random that like, you'll have to remember

until the day she dies. Do you know what I mean? Like, say truly a random collection of words that should always be like, that was so weird that that person did that. Like,

in everything all the time at once or whatever. Oh, sure. I would do something you know what I mean? Like, say truly a random collection of words that should always be like, that was so weird that that person did that. Like in, um, everything all the time at once or whatever. Oh, sure. I would do something really random like that.

Everything all the time at once. Doing everything all the time at once. You have to do something random so that it snaps to the system. So you get special powers.

Yeah. I was like, wanting to do something like that. So she would always be like, oh my God, that person like, said my god, that person said that crazy thing.

And now I have hot dog fingers. It seems like you... Matt seems to equate that humor with Marvel humor, perhaps. No, I think this is the best humor. Now you're confusing that with the best humor. This coffee is doing bad things to me. I feel like I'm ruining the app. No, I'm literally ruining the app.

What are you talking about? Literally, I'm ruining the app. Oh my God. The way that you're both completely insane. We should have stayed on too. No, no. I'm kidding.

Wait, what did you say to Lou? What did you say to Lou? What did you say? So I just was like, hi, first of all, you know when like a woman wears glasses and all of a sudden

they feel too big for her face or something? For sure, yeah. That was going on. This happens across gender this happens across gender oh yeah yeah i know i only think about women ever so that is what i if a man had too big of glasses would be like okay okay groundbreaking you didn't know how to dress yourself you're not to put anything on your face you accessorize badly novel wow go straight to the news yeah go straight to the press oh my god anyways so i just kind of like i said that then we kind of stood in silence i didn't know what to say i just kind of stood there and then i was like why better be going and she was like okay bye

see ya well it's just so hard because you want to meet these people and see them but then like it's like what do you talk about you know right you know what the three of us don't have in common been on z-way been on z-way not been on z-way i'm pointing to myself you've been on you've both been on early z yeah that's crazy that we actually helped build her empire and feels like i don't get the invitation even though i'm her network sister that sorry just feels shady to me and joel's also been on yeah feels like a complete drag you're in in network. Feels like erasure. Yeah. You're being

erased every day. Period. But someday soon. Someday soon. I have an idea. Ask the universe for it. Ask the... I literally beg the universe. I beg the universe every day. Watch when I go on and she absolutely destroys my character and I'm like,

well, I shouldn't have begged for this one no no that's not that's not the MO I will say when I've gone on in her reel

it's always just in a sketch capacity where I right you've never been interrogated yeah like Bowen

yeah I've never been interrogated in the way that Bowen has yeah but um maybe one day now

what do we think about I thought you were gonna say what was the culture that made you say culture was for you do you have a new answer um what have I said... I thought you were going to say, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? Do you have a new answer? What have I said?

What were you going to say? What do we think about White Lotus? Okay. What was the culture that made me say culture was for me? White Lotus, I always have this relationship with it where I'm always like, okay, I'll watch it. I'm like, wait, what?

I just get so confused sometimes. I think it's, okay, I'll watch it. I'm like, wait, what? Like, I'm just get so confused sometimes. I think it's a wonderful show. I celebrate it. Why are you confused about it? Okay. I'll always watch it like a little bit after everyone else, like always both seasons.

Uh-huh. And, um. So have you watched this season yet? I have watched this season. I'm up to date with this season except for the final 10 minutes of the most recent episode. Oh, where, there, there, yeah.

Where like stuff happens. Stuff definitely happens. You know whose mother? Who? Aubrey Plaza. Aubrey Plaza's being mother to me. Completely. But also the...

The sex workers. They're being mother. And then also... Megan Fahey. Who's that? Megan Fahey is the hot girl who's like... Yes. She is killing the performance.

I am telling you, how was she at Vulture Fest? First of all, she sang with Matt, duetted. Oh my God. Get this. I didn't know her name. I saw that post, but I didn't know her name. I'll give you the backstory. So several years ago,

I went to a Betty Who concert at the Fonda with Jared. I remember this concert. Yes. Well, because this ultimately was the concert where Jared and I

first hooked up. Yeah. So we had been like seeing each other as friends and then all of a sudden it kind of dawned on us like, oh,

I think this might actually be more than friends. And so I was with Jared and a bunch of the bold type girls were there oh she was a bold type yes oh she was on the board she was on the bold side because so she has this like legion of fans of people that were obsessed with the bold type and oh wait wait who are we talking about megan fahey but which one is she in my oldest in my lotus she is aubrey plaza's like the girl that yes her friend her friend. Well, they're couples.

So she plays Daphne. Is that who you're talking about? For a second, I worried when you started getting bold type with it. I was like, I don't think she would be on bold type because I feel like bold type is all like... This is my impression.

This is what I think bold type is from having never seen it. Here we go. It's like they're in like... A fun young person office like this. They're a fun young person office like this and they're like sitting like this. I'm kind of spreading my arms like on the table.

And then like one walks in and is like, you're killing it this quarter. You're getting at that promotion. And she's like, guess what? You're going to rock it on your date tonight, girl. And I'm like, all right, cheers to getting what we want. And then like that's like the cold open.

I think in a world where like AI eventually takes all our jobs as writers and starts writing episodes the AI would write that as an episode

of the full time like but people truly fucking love that show I'm sorry I don't mean to like be anything but lovely

you've been so lovely to this whole time I don't mean to be anything but lovely your whole life so we actually also met those girls at Vulture Fest when we were doing the interviews.

So we've actually interacted with them several times. But Megan was at this Betty Who concert and I had met her and she was very cool. So Megan was hanging with Betty? So come to find out years later, I'm putting together my Vulture Fest show for Have You Heard of Christmas. And I saw that Megan was doing like a White Lotus panel earlier in the day. And I knew that she was like an absolutely incredible singer because Jared had sent me videos of her singing so I had also booked Betty who's separately Betty texts me and says I'm gonna come with Megan she's actually one of my besties I was like oh my god that's so funny so then Megan comes to the sound check and she's

the nicest loveliest runs through her stuff she's got like a stunning voice. And then we ended up doing sort of like a duet to Oh Holy Night. Amazing. And I guess some people on the internet didn't know she could sing like that. So now like that clip

of her like slaying down Oh Holy Night is sort of like popping off. And I have to say, I told her, I was like, you are kicking my ass on White Lotus.

And she was like, just wait. It gets so goofy and crazy. And like it gets so good. And she was like, just wait. It gets so goofy and crazy and it gets so good. And I was like, it's just cool. Nice to meet someone who's really super talented

and nice and having a moment. I adore her. I walked into White Lotus having no idea who anyone was. This season? This season. Yeah, this cast wasn't like stars.

I mean, I have a feeling who Aubrey was. That's not to say they're not stars, but they're not household names. It felt like the first season was. Molly. Yeah. I mean, I have a few Aubrey was. That's not to say they're not stars, but I mean, they're not household names. It felt like the first season was. Molly. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the guy from Girls. Aubrey Plaza probably is the most famous person on it besides Jennifer Gould. Yeah. Let me think.

And F. Murray Abraham. And Sopranos. And Sopranos. We watched the first episode where we saw Christopher from Sopranos get there with his son or whatever.

Yeah. And then the next scene, his son was at the pool and he meets like the younger girl yeah the assistant i said that would be cool if he was like my dad was on the sopranos in the second scene we see that he's playing himself it's actually michael imperioli as christopher i love that so i have this experience where i watch it a little bit after everyone else and it's a show that gets talked about and gets like lifted up

and praised, which I agree with. And, but then I always, I'm like, wait, it takes me a second to get into it every year,

every both years. I remember I watched that. I watched the first scene with Megan Fahey, but I was like, this is not a conversation that humans would have where it's like,

hey, are you guys just getting here from your vacation? After all, I'm just leaving mine. Are you having fun so far? Anyways, it's a anything might happen you're gonna die they're gonna have to drag you out of here yeah yeah and it's like well i have to i have to run since my vacation's over but i was like but one final swim and then i literally thought when that was happening i was like oh is she gonna get eaten by

a shark or something like what's happening to mama yeah yeah and then when she bumped into that body and when she bumped into that body in the sea, I was like, I'm in. Yeah, well, I was like, this is the best case scenario. It's like, because she's actually fine. Yeah.

Well, she's traumatized for life, but she's fine. Okay, for me, rule number culture, number 712. Rule number culture. This is crazy. Number 712.

If you bump into a body, you're ultimately fine. But you were telling me, like, the performance that she gives is amazing it's so like what the fuck it was just very like what that would be like

because probably you read that and you think it's giving like a body oh no but there was this mixture of emotions and processing that she was doing which I was like come on Talon but you know who's actually mother for this? is Valentina is the hotel manager

oh my god she is giving everything towards me everything towards me and I do think in this most recent episode it's like one of her subordinates goes up to her and is like you're amazing I know is this a repeat of what they did last season it's interesting

with with the Murray Barlow with Murray Barlow and Lucas Cage yeah I maybe if it is I won't actually care I wouldn't mind it I think all they're trying to get at with that is that she's really lonely and underappreciated and I think that she's probably stressed out a lot of the time so when this person comes up to her and

gives her a genuine compliment it's like okay let me find the words that is like an affirmation of you two okay and that was weird because then they show her eating her lunch with the cats which I was just gonna say I loved that little scene

she's feeding these two kittens yeah yeah it's not in the final ten it might be in the final ten maybe I missed that maybe I was on my phone but she's like eating her lunch out of her Tupperware

like in the street alone and she's feeding these two little kittens yeah yeah and it's like something so it's kind of lovely too because it's like she's doing like it like a nice benevolent thing for the cats but like she's so short with

everyone else in her life because you can tell this is a person that's just like I'm fucking done with human beings because I have to deal with the worst subset of humanity which is with the worst white people from America who have all this money to come here and like have like a fucking experience here and it's just so that's kind

of like I guess the thesis of what the whole show is for me yes I agree this season I feel like the thesis is like I don't know if I'll be able to articulate it but I do think there's this theme of like just people like of different depths trying to connect with each other and being unsure like everyone is like

reaching into dark trying to connect with everyone else and no one really is understanding is like reaching into dark, trying to connect with everyone else. And no one really is understanding anyone else's internal world. And it's very difficult to like connect with someone or something. Yeah. What I like about it is it's truly about like, almost like self-control when it comes to like carnal desire in terms of like, what is and is not expected or if it's expected or accepted like why is that and i feel like there's this thing that happens on vacation with people which is this is another reason why i like

white lotus is because when you are put in a situation where you're like okay it's time to relax you that's where your mind goes to kind of sort of crazy places don't you think like sometimes when i'm on vacation i it's hard to let your defenses drop away and just, like, sit in a chair and enjoy the sun because then you're alone with your thoughts. And, like, crazy things happen, especially when you're with people that are close to you. Like, I feel like tensions have risen a couple times

when we've been on vacations together. I would say. Really? Yes. Why don't you guys go ahead and get into it? We had an argument in Palm Springs. Oh, yeah. What was the argument? I remember when we were at dinner why don't you guys go ahead and get into it we had an argument in Palm Springs oh yeah what was the argument

I remember when we were at dinner oh yes that was one thing Bowen had told me one time that I should examine that about something that I thought oh you know what it was I was still following I was following someone I shouldn't have been following on Instagram and I said that and you said well you should examine that and at that time I didn't

call it out although I felt it was condescending so then we were at dinner months later and Bowen said something and I was like well maybe you should examine that

and Bowen like threw his silver word down and was like why did you say that did you know it was about the original thing he knew he knew

I don't know if I recognized it as a callback I don't think I would recognize it I think it was just when it's someone like your best friend because in Mexico City Sud't think I would recognize it. I think it was just when it's someone like your best friend. Because in Mexico City, Sudi and I kind of had

a little... Oh, I remember. That was not... Oh, really? Yeah. And... But I feel like it's just an everywhere you go,

there you are kind of thing. And that's what, like, the show is about. It's tiny little micro things that then when you have the space to room it in on them, things come out. So I feel like,

especially with, like, Aubrey Plaza's character and her, let's just say it, absolute smoke show of a husband. I them, things come out. So I feel like, especially with like Aubrey Plaza's character and her, let's just say it, absolute smoke show of a husband. I know, it's crazy. Whose name is Will Sharp.

They clearly think they have this great relationship because they communicate, but then there's like no chemistry between them actually. And so that, now that's coming to a head, you can see in the final episode

of this episode, which you probably were not there for. Maybe you can't spoil SMN's healthcare. She's like on the phone trying to call him and she's realizing he's not picking up and she's in her head because she's like on an edible or whatever. And she's like sitting alone and being like,

maybe this is where I start to realize my relationship is actually not what I thought it was because we're not fucking and he's not answering my call. And the last thing I had was that we communicate about everything. Yes, yes, yes. And the main thing has a great little moment

when she's on her edible and she just like goes, you'll be obsessed. Okay, no, you can say, I don't say it because I want to know which part you're talking about. Where she was just,

where Aubrey's like, do you think he cheats on you? Oh, yeah. Maybe once that I know about and then she was like but I'm not a victim. Yeah.

She's just great. Because Aubrey's like how do you handle that? And all she says is I do what I want. I do what I want. And I'm not a victim. Yeah.

I really liked her the turn they took with her character in this episode. I loved it. Because that's the only thing I'm waiting for with some of the characters

like especially her husband Theo James the guy he plays him I'm just waiting for with some of the characters like especially her husband Theo James the guy he plays him I'm just waiting for that character to become a little bit more complicated than it is right now because like what I loved about Megan Fahey's character was for me the moment of the episode was

that monologue she has about the elephants when she says like I would never want to be a man it's so lonely and they really think they're doing something important in the world but really all they're doing is just walking it alone. And then it cuts to them on the jet ski. I loved it. Which by the way

that sequence was amazing. Comedy, budget, loved it. Yeah. Comedy, budget, loved it. And that's directing. Mike White. Thank you. Mother for that. Mother for that. I really do stan. I love Mike White. I, um, you know, he's my,

of all the Survivor seasons, there's two that I've never seen and his is one. Wait, Pat, that's one of the best seasons. That's what everyone says. I just got so tired of it during that time. The late 30s. You haven't seen David vs. Goliath? No, and then, like, what happened was then I knew. I have not seen it. Oh,

it's so good and it's so fun to watch him on it. But what happened was then I knew. Have you? I have not seen it. Oh, it's so good and it's so fun to watch him on it. But what happened was now I know who won because of Winners at War and then also, which I could still enjoy a season when I know who won. But I also know like what place Mike gets and I know what places the two girls who appeared in

Yeah, I know. You have to watch it because it's actually one of the funniest seasons. I've been absolutely going off on um, Powerpoint Plus can be so dangerous because you all it because it's actually one of the funniest seasons I've been absolutely going off on Paramount Plus can be so dangerous okay that's actually really close to number 99

Paramount Plus can be so dangerous because you'll find the most random ass reality show that they have like the back seasons anyways

they have nine seasons available of Big Brother Canada which is like so good it's better than US oh really International's always better than US I know and it's like it's just international is always

I know I know and it's also just like it reminds me of old us first of all Survivor Australia is the peak of television have you guys watched I have I've seen this season with Pia Pia's my favorite he is the best contestant of all time I love her I also love her girl I call her actress Pia I'm dating my daughter Pia you You are? Because of this conversation. I'm not even going to watch the episode. You should name her actress Pia. Actress Pia. Because that's what I, in that season of Australian Survivor, it was like people that are famous in our country

versus people that are not. Oh, yeah. And so she, I guess, was famous in their country. And basically, she was actress Pia. And they showed clips of her from her famous acting roles only in Australia.

Not famous anywhere else. And then basically she used her acting throughout the show. I love when they use their acting. At Final Tribal, she had to convince the jury that she has been using her acting this whole time. She was like, the way I use my acting was like this. And then you saw Don

all over their faces that, oh my God, she's been using her acting this whole time. And she should have said, I've outwitted, outplayed, and outacted. Amazing Australian accent. I was actually so surprised. I'll do crazy shit where I'll try to talk in

a British accent. It'll come out flawless. No, bad. Except for actually Love Island has really helped. Love Island UK has broken my brain to the point where now I end almost every sentence with, to be fair. My favorite conversation has really helped. Love Island UK has broken my brain to the point where now I end almost every sentence with to be fair. To be fair. We've got a cool banter.

My favorite conversation ever in Love Island is this really inconsequential one this most recent season between Tasha and Billy at Casa Amor where Billy said to Tasha

Casa Amor Love House on Love Island. So Billy said to Tasha I like you you're quite mature and she said no I'm not and you you're quite mature and she said no I'm not

and he said yes you are and she said I am to be fair and I was like what made you change your mind girl I like you you're so mature

no I'm not yes you are I am to be fair I am to be fair yeah they end a lot of sentences with to be fair or just that one time

no no they end a lot they're always almost everything they say is to be fair yeah he's quite hot to be fair he's quite fit to be fair it's important to be fair or just that one time? No, no. They lend a lot. Almost everything they say is to be fair. He's quite hot to be fair. He's quite fit to be fair. It's important to be fair. It's important to be fair. You have to be fair.

When was the time you can own up to being unfair? Oh, that's really good. I can own up to a lot of times that you and I have had conflict, Matt and I. I wasn't pushing you in that direction. No, no, no, but I'm considering and I think sometimes I'm unfair to you. You're being unfair. I wasn't pushing you in that direction. No, no, no, but I'm considering and I think sometimes I'm unfair to

you. You're unfair to the ones you love. Yeah. That's because they're a safe place. That's because you know they're not going anywhere. Well, you know, it's interesting. When you guys were talking about fighting on vacation I was like, I had this moment where I was thinking like, I don't know that I have like... Vacation fights. No, I don't know that I have vacation fights, but I don't know that sometimes if I have like friends close

enough to have real fights with. Do you know what I mean? Really? Which is sad. Well, actually, that's not true. Catherine, yes, but you've also been in a relationship. Yes, that is true.

And when you guys think about your vacations together. No, but that to me is different. Traveling with someone reveals a lot. I'll say that. Yes, no, no. But I more so mean just like familial friendships. Do you know what I mean? Gotcha. It's gonna be amazing. You ain't seen nothing yet. Here's to being Germanic. With the Real Housewives of Potomac. Oh my gosh, can I take this in?

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Oh, isn't it funny? Okay, so then at the end of the Potomac episode last night, you find out they're going to Miami. Are you serious? Yes, they literally go to Miami. And it's honestly... They're in Miami. They're in Miami, yes. Well, I was saying, like, it was funny that we were gathering today.

And I was wondering if you'd be caught up, which you're not. I'm not caught up. Because you would have come in. You would have stormed in Miami, yes. Well, I was saying like, it was funny that we were gathering today and I was wondering if you'd be caught up, which you're not. I'm not caught up. Because you would have come in, you would have stormed in the doors today. You would have walked down that iHeart hallway. The radio would have been playing a million different stations

because of the frequency you were emanating. And you would have been like, can you believe they went to Miami on Potomac just like we're doing? Are y'all, what do you think about Mia? I'm sure you've covered this. I don't mean to like-

I laugh every moment she's on screen. She's really... But I do not like her as a person. I think that she is chaotic and maybe even evil, but I'm laughing every second she's on screen. Me and Angela were laughing very hard last night because we were watching and they were litigating

if she was being attention-seeking with her medical health. And then they cut to her attention seeking with her medical health and so and then like they cut to her confessional and her medical health and they cut to her in a confessional in this like you know all pink number that like covers the whole hand

and the way she was talking she was like it was just so presentational and it was it was as though she was saying like the same tone people use when a real host finds out she's going to be on Chicago on Broadway. It was almost that. And she was like, so, I have a few lumps growing in my body. But it was, like, really funny because I was like,

wait, Mia, you are... The doctor said it was cancer and then didn't. So I have these lumps and we don't know what it is, but we know they need to get removed. And we also know that... It's the fingers. It's the fingers. It's the fingers. She's like, you guys can't see,

but she was just like... Gesticulating. She was gesticulating, yeah. And then she was on Watch What Happens Live last night, and it's so cool. With Renee Rapp. With Renee Rapp,

who is like a big Housewives fan, and you can tell that Renee was navigating so hard. How do I coexist with Mia on this panel? Two very different energies. Yeah, but it was a fun episode. It was actually a fun episode. Yeah, yeah.

I'm sure. Do you watch What Happens Every Night? I do. It's my favorite show. Oh, my God. So I was ready to come in. If and when Potomac did come up, I was going to say,

I almost can't with you guys because you love Candace. Oh, we stan Candace. I was going to say that. We stan Candace. I'm 1,000% any completely convert like i'm really like she's having a really great season well she's the only grounded presence on the show this season i feel like she's the only one that's like able to look around and be like huh like this is not it

which is crazy so we also need a german word for when like you haven't watched a housewife season yet but you've seen the discourse and so you know who people are hating going into it. Oh, interesting. I look to you to create this word. I'm, oh, I don't actually mean to like

make a German word. I can't, I don't know the language though. Yeah. We're going to call it Bachenfrut. Okay. And,

um, I think we've talked about this before where I've certain minds were like, even when I know you're in the wrong, I still will like kind of stand by you. Yeah. Yeah. And I do have,

like Renee rap with Candace. She said that I watched What Happens Live. She goes 10 down for Candice every single time. That's cool. I like when someone has that. And for me, one of those people is Robin. Oh, no. People don't like her. I always love her. Robin has gotten

to the point for me where I'm like, no. It doesn't matter what she does from now on. She could solve world hunger. I am anti-Robin. I don't, I don't get her. Is that this season? I just get her.

It's been every season a little bit. So I like, she was like, my husband's mad because I sleep till 2 p.m. But that's like what I want. It's like, interesting. Yeah.

I, I just think she is. So I find that, sorry, I didn't interrupt. No, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I find that what I respond to is that

even when she's saying something wrong or she's you know siding with Giselle in a way that's confusing I feel that I can tell

that she believes what she's saying like I do think like even when she's off base she's earnestly off base do you know what I mean whereas Giselle who I can

I root for and I want to like but it's like the thing she's saying it's like you don't even believe this you know you're just saying she is consistently manipulative and vicious and obviously producing in a way where I'm like God you're the star of this show

that's where I come from with Rinna too it's like I if you earnestly came in and said I believe that this is true and this is what I'm saying and I'm like this is my truth and sure it's like inflammatory and actually delusional but whatever but this is like what I believe I can always get is true and this is what I'm saying and I'm like, this is my truth and sure, it's like inflammatory and actually delusional but whatever, but this is like what I believe. I can always get behind that

and like see this woman grappling with her own internal world. But when I can tell they don't even believe it and they're just saying it, that's when I'm like, I don't care.

I think Giselle and Robin, neither of them have any conviction. Like Robin certainly has nothing to like really fight for. Even the thing with Juan, which is...

By the way, he's been stalled in the same place for three seasons. I know. It's not interesting to me. Most of the time to me, she is just Giselle's little lackey. And then anytime someone sets her off, it's usually Wendy. It's so much. The thing with Wendy is really crazy to me too, because if you actually walk back why they even started to have a problem up it's usually wendy and it's like it's so much yeah the thing with wendy is

really crazy to me too because if you actually walk back why they even started to have a problem it's because robin said that wendy was loose not of substance that was she was like talking about her body behind her back and so all of these things and then she was like 10 down for giselle when giselle was bringing these stupid rumors about wendy which obviously are not true about eddie cheating onto the show. So it's like all these things that are not grounded in reality that you then threw at Wendy. And now you're mad at her for responding in a heated way to the point where

now you are like so immature in dealing with it. Like her at the winery, the way that she was like, I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. Like it's so immature and crazy. So I had a Williamsburg house last,

last season. She was like, Oh, I should go fuck myself. I don't care. Like it's so immature and crazy. So I haven't gotten that yet. I was in the Williamsburg house last season. She was like, oh, I should go fuck myself then. I'm like, where is this couple? She's immature. She's very immature. But I also believe that

sometimes I think that Wendy seems to be a little full of shit sometimes. And I think that they can clock that and it gets frustrating for them. I think we saw that with, you know,

the hot mic moment after the TikTok dance lessons that was just tripping that was actually saying i'm gonna have i'm gonna host a tiktok teaching i think that dance teaching thing and then they came in it was just like them learning shipping which is cool but i've never seen a woman kind of do this on tiktok the way they brought like a drone into that studio too it was like um and so what was the hot mic moment so then wendy it was the episode was was titled stand in your truth and because wendy shouts stand in your truth and then like the producer i would love to know the machinations of this moment i would love to know if the producer was doing this on purpose like if they knew the mic was still on what but

a producer chased her and said wendy wendy what do you think about mia and she was like because wendy had just said like robin you called mia a liar you called mia a liar stand to her truth i never called her a liar and then it cut to like the wendy hot mic moment was we all know she's lying yeah so so it's just i don't mind a hot mic moment that like it's like oh you're not saying it to her face but it feels like a very intentional assembly of a character this season that wendy doing. Like, she's really... Wendy's lost this season. She's lost, but I felt lost with her last

season, even. Oh, no, I didn't. I thought she earned that spot next to Andy. But what I think is happening is, unfortunately, her only actual friend on the show is Candace, and now it's feeling a little bit like she's feeling really iced out of the group in a way that I feel is bordering on

bullying but then it's like why is this happening? It is bullying. I will say I am on... So I'm at the point where Robin calls Candace and asks Candace to ask Wendy to bring her kids to field day. Psychotic behavior. That is crazy. I will say that. Robin's a fool.

But I did feel that Robin... I don't know what I... I don't know why I root for Robin because I do, anyways, going into the season, I knew that everyone disliked her. Like, she was not the fan favorite. And so, I don't know. I'm just watching it through that lens, but also knowing I've always,

because even in season one, you know what, I think it's, I guess I respond to when it feels like the show is not that important to them. Like, I think that's cool. And that's why I truly love Cherise. It's like, she is, does not, I love Cherise. The show is important to them. Like, I think that's cool. In a positive way, yeah. And that's why I truly love Sharice. It's like, she is, does not, I love Sharice. I don't think she,

the show is important to her, by the way. I don't know. But she's playing with house money. Like, she's like, I don't need this. Last night, it was funny though,

because literally, they're all on this huge girl's trip to Miami and they get to the house and Sharice is immediately unhappy with her room and this is like, where the show is happening and Sharice goes and sits in the corner

and she's like, on the phone with her travel agent being like, hey, yeah, I need a hotel now. And she's like, gonna leave. So maybe the show is happening and Charisse goes and sits in the corner and she's like on the phone with her travel agent being like hey yeah I need a hotel now and she's like gonna leave so maybe the show isn't important to her because she's willing to leave filming because her room doesn't have a bathroom

I just like to me she like she gives so little that it's almost artful I don't know that she's I think she's trying to give a lot because the show remember was supposed to be built around her she was supposed to be oh was it yeah I couldn't tell in the beginning it was like it was about like sharice and karen and giselle and like the power struggle between the three of them for like who was the queen bee of potomac and then sharice fell so far to the

bottom that it's sort of become this like giselle karen thing because they actually know and care mean to care i'm like giselle she is a vicious person and I'll say this I know a producer on one of these shows who worked with Giselle and he said that she was by far his favorite to work with and what that said to me was that she's the most manipulative and down to make the reality

show happen instead of like just living life like I don't like any housewife that is like an active producer in the show. Anytime that happens, I feel like I see through it. It's not fun. And also, these women are not actresses, like you're saying. And so when they don't

believe it, you see it. These women are not Pia. They're not Pia. They're not actress Pia. These women can never use being an actress to win Survivor Show. Giselle is not actress Pia. If Giselle went on Survivor, it would flop so hard. No.

Rule number culture. Rule number culture. If Giselle went on Survivor, it would flop so hard. You can never use her acting. No. Never use acting. But Giselle,

I feel like, I hate to make this distinction, but it is the light-skinned girls bullying Candace and Wendy. Not no. And they also know about that and still do it. Right, right. It's, I'm going to say, I hope it gets better. Yeah, well, that's what I did.

The vibes are a little, a bit of a bummer. Well, Mia is about to throw a drink in Wendy's face next week. Really? I don't like this treatment of Wendy. I don't like that they're violent. I haven't gotten yet, but I will say, I'm always known to watch five episodes of Hot Spice in a row, but I was just like, this isn't

compelling to me right now. I will say, and this is hard for me to say, everything franchise-wide right now, I'm kind of feeling like all of this needs to turn up a little bit. By turn up, I mean like it needs to activate a little bit more. It feels like everyone on every franchise is

hyper aware of the reality show element to the point where they're managing themselves and I'm like, we need something like actually messy to happen and not messy as in a drama way, as in like a oh, that's odd. I haven't seen that before type of way and Salt Lake is

like getting a little bit better I'm enjoying Salt Lake this season this last episode was great the auditions the auditions were crazy I'm the only one who can really sing away in the manger

no crib for his bed the little Sarah and I all week were just, we're going, uh-huh-way. Uh-huh-way. It's so crazy. And then they were all like, you're amazing, Lisa. Did I do it? Was that it?

You can really sing. My favorite part of the season was in, like, Julie, I think, the premiere when, like, Lisa Barlow was playing basketball with her son. It was the Fudge College moment. It was the college moment and like Fudge College all the time. It was when they were just

getting into the Fudge College conversation and he was like, you know, I already have a company and she's like, yeah, killer company. Because like they were subtitling each one because you couldn't really understand, but they didn't even subtitle that. Killer company. because like they were subtitling each one because you couldn't really understand but they didn't even subtitle that killer company Lisa is the reason

for the season agree 100% I've been saying it you have been saying it since day one I've been like no Lisa Barlow once the dust settles

like she is gonna be the star of the show because again like she's the most wacko alien presence and Meredith is too but also meredith is now trying too hard her in the bathtub with seth i'm like i don't know you you you understood that we liked the bathtub thing from last season so now you put your husband in it

and you fucking started fingering his butthole with your foot and it's hard it's hard she's like losing me a little bit but lisa is kind of the foothold I have that we all need right now in terms of like, oh, where did that come from? A character. A character like, I'm important to God. I'm very important to God. I'm very important to God. An amazing line. Her thing, yes, an amazing line.

Every episode she gives that. Every episode you leave and it's like at least two or three moments where you're like, God, Lisa is on her own planet. She's having this really earnest battle with herself. Like, should I be nice to my sisters who are going through divorces? I don't know if I should be nice to my sisters. It's really hard for me to listen because I take that home with me.

When I get on the phone, my whole day is ruined. Because her sisters are getting divorces. I love Britney's energy, Hiller Megan. Here's Hiller. her sisters are getting divorced I love Britney's energy heller Megan here's heller the reason why I like Lisa too is because the way she's a laugh away from a tear

at all times like tears fill up in her eyes that means to me she's not faking it like she is not faking it she's in it she's genuinely

that emotional whereas Giselle the reason why everyone's like we never see Giselle cry is because she's never real she's never real never She's never real. Never.

At all even. At all even. I do love her freaking daughters. And now we're saying that they show the moments of her with her kids because otherwise there are no redeemable qualities. Right. Period. Say that.

I'm quoting my best friend, Matt Rogers. Every time we know it's going to get rough for Giselle, we will see a scene of them getting a pedicure together yeah because the daughters are like great and lovely and you get the sense that if we actually were to see Giselle's real life we might be able to understand that she is a good mom like has been through

hard things you know she's a funny person but when she gets into reality show mode and the quote unquote reasons why producers like her it's ugly it's vicious She definitely doesn't believe this shit with Chris and this could like really damage him. Yeah. And it's like it sucks.

I struggle with Chris but I do think he's being maligned. But do you think that he. No. Yeah. No. No. And I actually believe him when he says that he was like can I talk to you and she was like I want to go to my room. Like because that's what he says. I can hear her saying yeah let's go to my room. Yeah. Because she wants the tea. And then mostly what she wants is the tea and then she probably realized because here's what i'll say i don't doubt that she felt like it's weird that

we're in the room together alone right but they probably had a moment together where they both realized it and we're like yeah let's not do this yeah like her talking to candace oh you haven't seen this last episode is a little oh she says this goes, I don't ever want to be in a room with a married man. And it's like, okay, but there's so much. That's insane. That's so loaded. What does that mean? Like every married man who's in a room with you

wants to like fuck you or something? That's what she's insinuating. Which is, there are so many leads there. And it's like, is she doing it to dismantle what she knows is a teammate to Wendy? Like, is that what it is? Do you know what I mean? I don't know.

Of course, I mean, it's all rooted in that. It's all rooted in wanting to win. So, but do you like that Robin is standing by them? Like, Robin is very much fighting for them. I will say this. I will say this. I think because Giselle has gone so low at this point, I actually think for the first time,

Giselle has literally gone too far too far and now robin is like i can't go down with that ship i mean i'm literally seeing that you're going too far so if i didn't that because then robin would definitively be like a pence figure like like essentially robin is my robin had a choice to make. Shall I be a Pence figure? Or shall I not? Robin is, it's giving, if Giselle is insurrectionist. Well, lest we forget, Mike Pence on January 6th broke up. Secondly, you know, Ariel Carlin at work has a Robin Nixon hat.

It looks cool. Well, somehow people are getting them now. It's after months and months of waiting. I mean, we were on the ground floor when Mitra and Joel had ordered Robin Dixon hats and then they never came.

And then Casey Wilson and Danielle were on the show last week and they said that they had ordered hats and I said, did they come? And they said

they finally came after months. You know what I have to say? You know what I really loved? One of my favorite books of last year was Casey's. Yeah, I loved it. I need to read it. It was really I have to say? You know what I really loved? One of my favorite books of last year was... Oh, it was Reckoning My Presence? Yeah, I loved it. I need to read it. It was really funny, but then it would get really

real sometimes, and it just... You really felt like you had a little friend. She's a great person. She's amazing. I really adore her. I have actually always been a fan, and I remember back in the day when she was first on Saturday Night Live, it kind of just felt to me... It was the first time I ever saw that show, and I was like, no, it's not her that's the problem. Exactly. You know what I mean? And then when she was first on Saturday Night Live, it kind of just felt to me, it was the first time I ever saw that show. And I was like,

no, it's not her. That's the problem. Exactly. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like I was like, and then when she went on to like,

obviously great success, she was a happy ending, which is like a lot of people's favorite sitcom. I really liked that when it was on. Yeah. And so now she's got like all the success. But I remember that was the first time I, cause that was when I was like really obsessed with the show.

When we were like, in college. Adults. Yeah. And I remember being like, maybe this is not vibing, but I believe that she's good. Yeah, totally. But the show would have

you believe. The only sketch I remember of her is she played baby Jessica who fell in the well. Oh, no, she had a really good bit too as a paraplegic stripper. You're thinking of Amy Poehler? No, I'm not. You're thinking of I Gotehler? No, I'm not. No, no, no.

I'm kidding. You're thinking of I Got One Leg? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaking of Pence figures, I'm catching up, but I was motivated to watch because of you.

Interesting. The Vow Part 2. So I am... Okay, so when The Vow Part 2 was coming out, I was like, I've had enough of Sarah and Mark.

I've had enough of this whole world. All those people, yeah. Yeah, and I... Are you watching this? I have not yet watched because if you remember, if you zoom back in time,

I could not get through the first season because I found it to be too long. I agree. I did not finish the last episode because I was with it

in the first four episodes and then it got to nine and I was like, it's too much. Oh, there's like a lot of episodes. There's nothing. There's no tear there.

But the Nancy of it all, I am interested. The Nancy of it all is interesting. So Nancy is, it is a beautiful character study. Yes. And who is Nancy Salzman? Like what is wrong with this woman?

Slash like what happened to her? That's like, how is she the victim? How is she culpable? Like, I do think it's interesting. See, my takeaway from season one was like,

this is like a bad documentary. Like they are taking really interesting subject matter and like kind of mishandling it in spite of how they're doing it it's still compelling to me do you know what I mean

and so then when the India doc came out oh I never watched it so that was better I heard it was better yeah you know what I kept saying

what I loved about it is cause like India did figure into you know when Sarah was the narrator in Vow and they kind of made her almost seem like

a villain cause she was still in the cult and like season one was so much about like getting her out was the narrator and vow and they kind of made her almost seem like a villain she was still in the cult and like she's doing so much about like getting her out of the cult and like sarah and mark for some reason like moving into the actress's home and like always like eating all her food you know what i mean yeah like i was always like i hope you're red mowing her for they're always like at her counter just like reaching out and um and so then when in the showtime or the stars one, I think, that India was kind of the narrator. And she kind of, I will say,

Sarah was kind of a villain to that one. And then it felt very much to me like, season two, Laguna Beach, Kristen's now the narrator. And we'll see the other side. And Lauren's almost like the villain. That was really fun. Forced perspective.

Forced perspective. And I wasn't expecting this to be interesting anymore. almost like the villain that was really fun and then forced perspective forced perspective and I wasn't expecting this to be interesting anymore but I watched the first episode because like why not for some reason I'm just drawn back in

you find out so much crazy shit and then the most episode four all upsetting whatever it's crazy I have not I've not gone to episode four but it's Lauren

of Valpart 2 no no yeah this is not spoiler but what I will say is it's Lauren's testimony Lauren taking a stand, no, yeah. This is not spoiler, but what I will say is it's Lauren's testimony. Lauren taking a stand, yeah. Yeah, and you find out so much great stuff.

It's also so funny. It's like Nancy Salisman walking around with her house arrest ankle bracelet. She's a great drag race Snatch Game character, by the way. Angelo did her for his Snatch Game in his audition tape.

That's so funny. That was really good. And there's so much great comedy where it's like she's walking around. On Snatch Game. Like first, she's walking around talking about all the people she's walking around on such like first she's like walking around talking about like

all the people she's coached in ESP she's like all these big names these famous people she picks up an O magazine picture of Oprah

taps it she goes I coached the person who art directed this cover it was an amazing wait not Oprah

she goes I coached taps on Oprah's face the person who art directed this cover and then she opens up the spread and she's in it.

And she's in it. To be bad, to be bad, to be bad, to be bad. But then also, there's like one woman who's still in the car who goes back to Albany and she's like looking around

being like, oh my God, like we had so much fun here. And then she's like, there's a jacket on the hook and she's like, and she's like emotional. She's like, this is Keith's jacket,

I think, maybe. It's just so many fun little maybe I will say knowing that the vow season two is about Nancy like Mike because I remember watching the first season and being like I wish we could focus on one of the more interesting elements of this and she to me did because of her snatch game ask quality she was of course jumping out at me and I was like whenever she was on screen I was like what is the deal she's a star she is a star the show this season does

a good job of making her sympathetic until you remember oh yeah she like threw her daughters into that and like was okay with both of them fucking this man do you think she knew because she says that she doesn't. About Doss? About Doss. Even about like

the way she tells it, she was really in the dark even about their relationship until it was essentially over. Being in denial is different than being in the dark, I think. I think she probably was in intense denial, but she I think intuitively at least knew everything that was happening. Well, I sometimes feel like

you know, we see in this season, she works together with Keith so much when they're starting the company, when they're building their, quote, modules. And I do feel like he dismantles her a little bit. Totally.

But it is interesting. It's like one of those things of like, you know, you think about Sarah last year, how she's the good guy and like, but she brought people into the cult. Like is she so yeah exactly so how can sarah say nancy you're the bad guy because you brought me in but i brought other people in but it's like wasn't nancy keith's first kind of victim do you know what i mean and also the one person who i believe truly is in love with him and would love to have sex with him and he's nancy i think so and he's like not into it. There's a moment like

I watched this whole thing being like what compelled you guys to record every single intimate thing. Yeah. It's so We've been doing a podcast for seven years. It's pretty like smartphone

I feel. Maybe I don't know like 2014 I don't know like it was just a different thing. Totally. Yeah, that's true. But the Nancy thing, she has this whole thing of, like, my mother said, like, call me her little dummy. It's a perfect, juicy little origin story. Yeah. Like, I was diagnosed as dyslexic.

I didn't do well in school. My mom called me an idiot growing up. Yeah. All of these things that kind of lead up to her being this nurse. And then like the other interesting wrinkle in it is that she like did help these people with Tourette's. Yeah. Overcoming. I know. But that episode

was so boring. I kind of loved it. Well, it did help. You know, I have a lot of tics. You do? I do have a lot of tics. And I'm like trying to use the tools I learned in that episode. No, it's interesting. I'm like, I need Nancy to disconnect learned in that episode. No, it's interesting. I'm like, I need Nancy to disconnect the stimulus.

Nancy talks like she's a brain surgeon. So I went in, I disconnected the stimulus. Yeah, I was like, what are you talking about? She was like, a beautiful day to save lives. She cut.

But she does talk about it as if, and I believe her too. I believe that she believes that she was doing the right thing. I believe that too. And that's what's interesting. Yes. And that's sometimes how I believe her too. I believe that she believed that she was doing the right thing. I believe that too. And that's what's interesting. Yes. And that's sometimes how I feel about Robin. Oh my god. As a Pence figure.

As a Pence figure. The fact that Robin and Nancy Salzman are in the same conversation actually doesn't really shake me because of Giselle's similarity to Keith Raniere. Is the Real Housewives of Potomac a cult? And is Candace ringing the bell? Candace is the,

what's her name, Sarah? Sarah, yeah. Sarah, they're in it so little now. It's kind of funny. I'm kind of okay with it. I'm bored of those people. I'm definitely okay with it.

They're the reason why it got boring the first season because you're like, I don't need to know more about these people. Which probably was in the pitch for the second season.

Like, hey, we're going to focus in on the actual interesting stuff here. Cause that's what's whenever there's like a documentary about like any of these cults or harmful organizations, I want to know like what's going on in the inner workings that made it to be such an established thing. I understand how victims are victimized.

Like I get that pretty much. It happens all the same way. So there's something interesting to understanding the psychology behind people getting to be an anti-Saxman. Like, and I understand the moral question of like, is she a victim? Is she a monster? And ultimately,

obviously the answer is both because it's sort of like a, like a fucking Hitler follower thing. It's like, you know what I mean? You wouldn't, you wouldn't question whether or not the Nazis are like, you know, evil.

They are so interesting. You know, I follow this Christian girl vlogger as like a hate followed joke and i have i have for like six years i think katie ruth ashcroft initially told me about her part of katie rude yeah and um she'll talk about you know how to wear makeup in a godly way how to be in the same space with a man in a godly way yeah and also god and um now she's pivoted and she well first of all I've been waiting for literally seven years

hoping she would like explicitly like speak out against homosexuality so now instead of god it's Trump so no or is she a hell raising whore

so no so like so finally you gotta stop because your guesses are really wrong and when you guess something so wrong

it confuses the listener because it sets up expectations that are gonna be really wrong. Okay. So unless you can be more right, please don't guess. I'm listening, I'm observing, and I'm absorbing. And I'm growing.

So finally she came out two weeks ago saying that finally she was like, you're welcome to the little corner of the internet where we believe marriage is between a man and a woman. So I was like, okay, cool. You finally did it. I can feel that satisfaction of like, you hate her. I know it.

But now, she's fully going in on starting an MLM. Wow. She's like, we want to be a, what is it? A Prophecies 32 woman,

which is like some verse in the Bible where they talk about a woman staying at home and taking care of her kids and loving it. It's always about being an empowered woman.

She's like, these are what we don't want. This is what women actually don't want. Competing with men in the workplace. Keep the nine to five. Being a boss babe. Whoever said I wanted that? And then like staying at home with my babies and but still making

money. If you want these things, you can have them. And then, but she's using so much language around MLM. It's like anyone who's ever seen actually any documentary will, it's just so textbook. It's like, you're going to, if you want this life, you can have it, but you're going to need to make an investment up front. Right, right, right. And that's actually going to help you because it's going to motivate you. And it's just like, oh my God. Oh, wow. Yeah. It's really interesting. The interesting thing about NXIVM is like all cults have some degree of self-surrender in the people. It's not that cult leaders go after vulnerable people.

It's that they go after people who kind of want to be. Totally. I'm very much recruitable. Well, you know what? It's smart, creative people who are very open to an experience who feel like there's an untapped potential. Yeah. Yes. And that was exactly what he was going after.

And I think the thing that this season does very well in illustrating is that it's like part of the way he got more people to come in or he got people to stay was like he would very methodically be like, oh, anytime you feel bad about yourself, it's a lie. And anytime you feel like

you're being a victim, you're not a victim. It forces these people to kill their impulse where they think, oh, maybe this is not a good situation. Totally. And the last thing I'll say to the day I die is the previews for next week. Oh my god, tonight on The Vow, they literally start off focused on a room. We finally get to find

out about the girl in the room. Do you remember from last season? The girl in the room? It was this thing season the girl in the room it was this thing they mentioned but it was never explored but they're like and also it was like probably the person

who suffered the most but like was never it was like a passing sentence in the first season like there was a girl who stayed inside of her room for two years because they told her to

and the door wasn't locked and they told her she had to stay in the room for two years oh my god and she did and she did and so I

how she poop she poop? Does she poop in the room? So far. Greg Arden's ass? We're going to find out tonight. What? Where that woman pooped.

Oh my God. I don't know if it was two years. I don't remember. I don't remember the exact- Also, wait. Just to zoom back to Potomac. When Robin said- When Giselle said about Robin, I know this woman well.

I know she poops twice in the morning. Twice in the morning. I go, this is- I was like, I don't ever want to know about robin i know some people are so regular like one time i said i went to this like that's your book no no but it reminds me of this one some people are so regular it's really gross and really embarrassing but one time i was just telling this girl absolutely stunning gorgeous girl that was like going to I went to this thing every day at like 7am. And she was like,

yeah, but like, don't you like have to poop every morning? And I was like, what? And she's like, I just can't go somewhere before I poop. And I was like,

oh, I understand. I would never let that limit me in a scheduling way. Do you know what I mean? Like I was like, yeah, I don't even think about it. I might. I honestly don't

even think I would notice if that happened. I do go to this place every day at 7am and it's I'm able to kind of make it work. Wait, now I'm actually just realizing something. I actually hate talking about poop. No, I do too. And also we've been dragged before for talking about poop on this podcast. I don't believe in it. Because people really don't like it.

We don't like it either. We don't like it either. I'm just saying this because I just realized something. I just got Pure For Men and I forgot it at home because we're all in New York now and I'm not going to be home for another six weeks.

You haven't been on it in the past? No, I just got it the first time because they actually sent some to me. Or some. Yeah.

I know, maybe I should. It's hard. What I'll say about Pure For Men is like, it is tricky because you have to take like literally three in the morning and like three at night or else it doesn't really work. You have to do it and it doesn't really take effect for like

a few days. So you have to like really be on your shit. And then secondly, like they say don't take it near other medications because I guess like, I don't know why. It absorbs. How does it interact with Descovy? It doesn't interact. It just like, if you take it with your Descovy, it like... It might not be as effective. You don't know why it absorbs how does it interact with Descovy it doesn't interact it just like if you take it with your Descovy

it like it might not be as effective you don't absorb it your lining doesn't absorb it in the same way or something that's a lot of pills

I know and so I can I just we're gonna stop talking about poop but I have just gone back to the enema bowl me too

it's just easier that way I mean I have it pure and like I take it and whatever. And sometimes it'll make it easier if it's a last minute situation. But whatever. Nothing's more disappointing than last Friday.

Nothing's more disappointing than last Friday because it means we don't have this Friday to look forward to. I hate when Friday gets tickled last Friday. It means Friday's over. Last Friday night. Nine iconic Caruso voter, Haley Perry. Hey, oh my God.

That was such a flop. Really? I mean, she's done. She's done. She's done. We might have to transition. Wait, let Pat finish his last Friday.

Oh, this is not even a story, but like, I was going to maybe go on a date. I haven't really been going on dates. I was going to maybe go on a date with this person. I was kind of looking forward to it, but like, you know, schedules are tricky. My work goes till 8

right now, but I spent my whole lunch break, like, with the bulb, you know what I mean? Like, whatever, just in case. Oh, thinking maybe the first date would turn into first mate. Yeah, and like, not really. You didn't do it after 8 o'clock? Wait, what? I was sending you right out of work. No, no. So, here's a couple things.

Like, for one one i had to go straight there so like you know there wasn't gonna be time like it was a dinner thing maybe for two for two um he was like a doctor figure so he had to be up at like 7 a.m the next day too so like it was already gonna be late anyways i spent a whole lunch break doing that didn't really eat all day so i'm starving hungry and then my work ran a little bit late and then it was too late for him so like he had to cancel and then like but there's nothing worse than like not eating and then i like truly ordered thai and like ate and watched like old tv there's just nothing more humiliating than like fully starving yeah and like being on the you're all fours in your own bathroom you know what i

mean like yeah doing jonathan the jonathan groff yeah doing the jonathan groff doing the jonathan groff it's very embarrassing to be gay it's also like i remember when i was young and naive i used to always um it's very embarrassing to be gay i used to always like in my when i was young and naive i would go and i would want like an enema because i was like maybe i'll have sex or something i would like go into like you know your sexual wellness aisle i would go into your and then i'd be like by a fleet but and i would be you know you look near the condoms the lubes like you're the sexy thing the things for sex but then they're not in there they're they're next to like the tums and the antacids and like the laxatives you know what i mean it's like so embarrassing to go there for

your sex for your sex prep but anyways that's the last thing i'll ever say no but about about about that The building explodes. I press a button. The Real Housewives of New York City are back for another bite of the Big Apple. Look who it is. Joined by elite new friends. Rebecca Minkoff.

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it's our 60 second segment where we absolutely drag something in culture and I feel disappointed that I have to say this next thing I really do. You have to. Oh, and there's actually a new story that just came out. What? Should I read it now? Break the news. Because by Wednesday it won't be breaking news.

This is TMZ. Is someone dead? No, no, no. Real Housewives of Salt Lake City star Jen Shaw in loud, fiery, and very public argument. Play it. Do they have a recording of it very public argument. Okay. Play it. Hold on. Do they have recording of it? They might. The link is loaded.

Where are we right now in her case? Is she going to jail? I mean, almost certainly. Right now, she's going to jail. I have a feeling her healing needs to take place in jail. Okay. intense footage of Jen and four other people having a blowout in downtown Salt Lake City

and you hear Jen scream several times fuck you we're told oh we're told this heated showdown happened around 9.50pm on November 5th

as they say Saturday night's alright for fighting it's unclear what's I love the TMZ writers they're so funny yeah um

baby baby you fucking see that baby you fucking see that don't fuck around with me don't fuck that fuck that okay it's not that interesting it's just Jen Shaw screaming do we know the people she's fighting with? is it at the next round of audition?

it's not the callback this happened last week but again why did it take so long for this to come out? she is such a wreck. She's, it's not fun. No. She's the element of the show where I'm like, okay, like if we're not going to see her literally sentenced, then I'm like so bored because you know what's happening. Yeah.

But I do, I do like her this season. Do you? Except for that one confessional where she has the hat. I love the hat. She's giving Hamburglar. The two confessions I'm struggling with are the hat confessional and then the Ashley Darby bangs confessional. Her titties look great, though. Yeah, but I'm really struggling with that whole situation.

I love it. I love it. Wait, remember Meredith's confession last year where everyone was talking about how it looked like it had to be a breastplate? Yes, I mean, it did. Her tits were so big? Yeah, yeah. And they just looked like a breastplate. I think Lisa's looking good in her confessionals.

Yeah, definitely. Lisa looks great. I think Lisa is a beautiful woman. Oh my God. I do. I think I'm most attracted to Meredith. Yeah. I'm a Kinsey 6, though.

You're a Kinsey 6? I'm a Kinsey 6. I'm like literally a Kinsey 7. But like, I'm not attracted to women. But I would imagine Whitney is probably the hottest. I don't know if she is hers is very much like a purchased beauty it seems

I actually have wild rose serum on right now I mean I feel absolutely stunning you guys gaffed when I came out of the elevator belting your trainer songs okay let's I have the clock starting

I could have my I could wear my Louis Yves song but even with nothing on but I made you look I made you look okay shut up this is Matt Rogers I don't think so honey his time

starts now I don't think so honey Katy Perry I have to be honest with you I've always been a Katy cat. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Katy Perry. I have to be honest with you. I've always been a Katy cat, but I can't just stand by while you are this publicly obtuse and like blind to the needs of the city that you live in. It is giving wealth. It is giving privilege. And honestly, while those things are definitely true, Fucking cast your vote in private. First of all, isn't it? I know it's probably not illegal to do this in California because I'm sure you asked someone on your team before you did it. But to post this and then honestly, when you post like an advertise your political belief and vote, understand that people are going to have a reaction. And so when you're getting dragged left and right to and fro in your comments on every photo you've posted since for this understand that's because you put yourself in that position I don't think so honey you might have to go to Brazil now Katie they're saying come to Brazil come to Brazil you might

actually have to go because period point blank LA needs Karen Bass she's ahead in the vote right now we need it to happen I don't think so honey Rick Caruso and his followers which are like Kim K Gwyneth and and Katie, look at the celebrities that are following him and look at

the celebrities that are following Karen Bass. There you have it right there. And there's celebrities that might have to go to Brazil. They might end up having to. They might have to go to Brazil because all the celebrities that supported Caruso are like the disgusting ones. And when they say come to Brazil, it's to all those people.

Sorry, Brazil has a new leftist leader. Period. I don't know that they'll like that. ones and when they say come to brazil it's to all those people so at least you have somewhere to go has a new leftist leader so i don't know that they'll like that i just like all i all i know is it's just so obvious when all the richest dumbest celebrities you follow are all saying one thing probably that means that's not the one and then you have like the actual activists who are like it's karen bass it's karen bass it's like you know then don't say you're progressive or don't say you're a democrat even when you like advertise support for someone who was a republican 15 minutes before this is like basically documented as being not pro-choice or anti-choice and as a billionaire real estate developer it's like go to to the Grove and tell me you...

You wouldn't want your city to look like the Grove. And if you do go to the Grove and you want LA to look like that, you are living in a fantasy. Move to somewhere else. It's like Joel Kim said. It's like people that wanted Caruso to save the city don't want to help with homelessness.

They just don't want to look at it anymore. The conversation around homelessness is crazy. It's completely insane. Even I saw someone tweet... Even people were like, I don't want to help with homelessness. They just don't want to look at it anymore. The conversation around homelessness is crazy. It's completely insane. Even I saw someone tweet, even people are like, I don't want to see homelessness. Not, why do I have to see homelessness? Or, why does that person have to not have a home? It's still centering.

The lack of humanity The lack of humanity around specifically people without houses is crazy. That it's harder for you to see a homeless person than it is to be them. And to not be able to see the machinations that led to that person not having a house

and that not being their fault. You know what I mean? It's like to blame them. It's so upsetting. I will say I've lived in LA now almost four years, I guess, like three and a half years. And the situation is very bad and very dark.

But I'll tell you what's the most sad is when you drive by like an like an encampment area or there's a place where they are living and then you drive back the next day and all it's all gone yeah and i'm like what happened like those are people yeah and i just feel like and of course it's the really really really rich people who genuinely see it as like a yeah for the existence to be a problem yeah and i'm just like the lack of humanity the separation of wealth there you go and it's it is the richest people saying this and also let's be real they were paid they were paid by caruso to say this i that's what i think because when you have a billion dollars and you spend a hundred

million dollars on this race and it is like i'm not saying for a fact that I know, but it's fishy to me that he's able to essentially get all these high-prized endorsements from people whose number one thing is money. Totally. That's why Kyle Richards is like, Caruso!

I couldn't believe it. Well, I could believe it, actually. But I'll say this, the only Beverly Hills housewife to come out and say, go Karen Bass, Rinna. Yeah. And she even said, she's like say, go Karen Bass, Rinna. Yeah.

And she even said, she's like, I'm voting for a real Democrat. Yeah. Okay, so that was my I Don't Think So Honey. I am now a voice to be listening to. You are. Thank you. And now... You weren't before, but... At all.

I could have my Gucci. And with that sound... Over the course of of this episode I'm starting to like the song you will listen to it all day now I have a question for you is it that Meghan Trainor is now going back to like doo-wop sound she's never left she's never left what I call girl bossa nova

that's great that's really good do you think she's forced by the label to stay in that lane I think her label knows they have someone that they can play in Baskin Robbins, in Target, at Play Places. I think toddlers are going to learn to dance to this song.

You know when a toddler like learns to dance and they'll like sort of shake in their legs and go like this. Oh my God, yeah. It's actually really cute. But like imagine like if you had a baby and this song came on, you would love to watch it dance

yes yay oh look at him he's going little Riley oh Riley um

I feel like it might be one of those things where Gen Alpha we're gonna 10 years from now the kids of today will be like

Meghan Trainor is our queen will shoot you dead in the face will be like Meghan Trainor is our queen will shoot so mother yeah we owe Meghan Trainor an apology it's like um this is not the right comparison but it's like the way people go apeshit over Lea Michele

like some of the kids the Gen Zers go apeshit over Lea Michele or any of the Glee cast because they grew up on Glee but like even when like we were in college by the time Glee came out and we're like okay yeah whatever it's kind of kids boppy but now like this whole new generation of people is like oh I didn't know that Glee started like still running the world

it's so true wow that's really scary like all of them have like huge podcasts too like Kevin McHale and Jenna Ushkowitz have a podcast that's like a big deal um okay this is Bowen Yang something funny are're ready and prepared i'm ready and his time starts now i don't think so honey space bar before an exclamation point

what people need to understand that the exclamation point comes after the word there's no space in between i don't care if this is an intentional way for you to like show that you have a bit of whimsy in you that you like to stew the rules of grammar. It's really shocking to me anytime I see it. And I've tried it on for size myself. I've not liked it the times I've done it. I don't think anyone should do it. It really throws people off.

And the reason we're in this mess today is because language has broken down. You know, did you know that the words pronunciation and pronunciation are different? Pronunciation is the way that words are pronounced. Pronunciation is the way that letters are supposed to be said. 15 seconds. It's the Tower of Babel all along because now no

one can agree on how things should be said or written and that's why we're in this mess. Communication has not grown with technology. Language has not grown with technology. That's why we are miserable right now because we don't know how to talk to each other. It's been the Tower of Babel all along. It's the Tower of Babel all along.

It's the Tower of Babel all along! Oh, it was beautiful. You know Aubrey Plaza is playing the villain in Coven of Chaos. I love. Wait, what is Coven of Chaos? It's the WandaVision Catherine Han spin-off. Oh, that's exciting.

Is that House of Harkness? It was called House of Harkness. It's now called Coven of Chaos. It's the WandaVision Catherine Han spin-off. Oh, that's exciting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. House of Harkness? It was called House of Harkness. It's now called Coven of Chaos. Oh, that's fun. One alliteration to another. I don't really get why it's better. Maybe Coven Chaos tested better than House of Harkness because people forgot that her last name was Harkness. Yeah, I forget that.

I forgot that even now. They should have called it Harkness all along. They really, really forgot. So, when, have you been seeing this like as a yes colloquially people are doing just just i don't even know what text hey space exclamation point yes i i absolutely know what you mean it's to me i get that from my mom all the time and i just thought it was like a you know mom now it's now it's like no it's i'm the meat in the sandwich like the older generation does it and the older generation does it and the younger generation does it

and I'm like where and all we are is meat lately all we are is meat lately I see it with one

is really disturbing when it's one exclamation point it's slightly more palatable when there's like space in a block of exclamation points I still don't like it

I agree with that why is that better it's only better because cause then you're like making a feature of the exclamation point. You feel like it's a comedic choice. You're trying to spotlight.

Not even a comedic choice, but yeah, it's a spotlight. Here's the word, and then space, and then a new word, eight exclamation points, is now speaking towards the first word. I'm 1,000% on your team and you're a champion in this. He's robbing to you.

Don't bite me because I'm the spoon that feeds you. So never bite me. I always say don't bite the hand. Don't bite the hand. Don't bite the spoon. Don't. It's very cold metal. It's very cold. That could harm your teeth. It's going to very much harm your teeth. You know what? One of my favorite bits is when Josh Sharp will do exclamation points and then sneak

wands in there. Yes, yes, yes. Very, very, very fun keyboard. Very fun keyboard trimmer. Well, Don, you've given us something to think about yet again. Yeah. And now he can have his Gucci on, he can have his Louis Vuitton, but even with nothing on, Pat is going to make us listen

to his I Don't Think So Honey. I don't know if this has been done before. I don't know. It doesn't matter. One of the most exciting things anyone could say on the show, right? Pat, you know better than this. It doesn't matter. In fact, I know much better than this. You know much better. Okay.

Okay, this is Pat Regan's I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now. I do not think so honey when there's a bathroom in a home and the light switch is outside the bathroom. Oh, no one's done this. Why on earth? It's so true. Why on earth?

Oh my God. Why on earth would you do that as a builder, as an architect, as an electrician? As a human. As a human first. human by as apmx human by orientation why are you putting a light switch room outside a room a famously private space a famously private room when you need where you need to go and have your moment alone oh why are you first of all a light switch should always be intuitive it should always walk in and you shouldn't even need to look you should just you never walk into a room where you should know exactly where it is.

Because we have that technology. We have the science to do that through architectural science. Now to put it not only not where you would expect in the room outside the room

you're already making me feel vulnerable because someone some sick and twisted psycho fucker can come up and turn off for no reason. Thank God it's never happened to me but I've had to live in fear

that it would and that has destroyed my self-confidence. And it's been so brutal. I but I've had to live in fear that it would, and that has destroyed my self-confidence. It's been so brutal. I can't stand it. If I could understand one reason why they would do it, it would maybe help. I don't think so, honey. This is an important one, because it really does

give the advantage to tricksters. The worst people in society are tricksters. You don't want trickster energy in the home. No, on set. On set. On set. We played, you gag each other.

Yeah. Can I just say. I did writer's rooms where everyone's famously like such a trickster. So many politics. I think that I love when someone comes to a talk show and they say that someone was the biggest prankster on set. Yeah. I think that is such a fun story.

Yeah. But then you, then you unveil what the pranks were and all of a sudden, like, someone is pooping and then, sorry to say, readers. And then all of a sudden, like, the light goes off

and then, are they pranksters or are they just cruel? I agree. I don't, I agree. I don't like pranks. I don't like pranks either. This is, we've established this on this podcast

since its earliest episode. Yeah. But a prank is just a way to upset people. Yes. Why are you wearing such a chic shoe? I saw that. A bass loafer. Designed by Karen Bass.

You're in a sneaker and I'm in sort of a... Okay, sorry. I just saw that and I was like... This is a sneaker. That's a Nike Pegasus. That's a beautiful shoe. How did your race go? It's the colors. It was not a disaster. I wasn't a half-mad about this before you got here. Half-mare? Half-mare.

It was not a disaster, but it wasn't the day I hoped for. Can I say you qualify for the full? Yeah, but it's kind of a setup. I want to run New York full next year when I was... You're going to do it. I was going to run. And there's a lottery order to do charity, but if you have coming in a certain time on a certain course in the half or the full then you can just bypass that and go straight and did you qualify secure that but I also um

I thought I might be a little bit faster yesterday I could tell how much faster did you want to be what was the time yeah yeah I ran 119 15 I thought that um I could run my PR from you know 10 years ago is 114 flat I knew I wasn't in that shape but from workouts I thought I thought that um i could run my pr from you know 10 years ago is 114 flat i knew i wasn't in that shape but from workouts i thought i thought that there was a world where maybe i would run splits to run like i would go out at like what's your mile split for for 119 15 it's like 602 that's crazy but i but i really felt like from workouts that I could run. Wait, what? 550s, honestly. And so I went out hard, probably too hard,

because I get older but just never wiser. And I... You have this thing. And I guess I have this thing. I could just tell after like three miles, I was on pace to run like maybe in the lower one teens. But I just knew. I was like, this hurts more than it should. Like'm gonna really i have to back off and then also the core i found the

course to be very difficult and the last three miles were all like because of hills hills and there's also two separate hairpin turns where you have to like stop running and then start so whatever whatever anyways these shoes were made by bowerman track club which is a disgrace it's my favorite training club and running team, but it's been disgraced because their top female competitor tested positive for Nanjala. We can't have nice things.

Do you know where I found myself the other day? Not the other day, like a couple months ago when I did think of you and myself as a teen. Yeah. I was at Sayville Running Company. Oh, wow. And I was just like, because I had dinner next door.

They have a road race in the winter, in the dead of winter called, that's a 10 miler that I'm going to do and it's really fun. What's it called? It's like the Saville Running Company.

Yeah, I think I... Run to the brewer or something. I think they've done it for years. Yes. I got fifth place in 2011. I know they've done it for years. I was fifth in 2011. Did you know that I won

the ice lift marathon, not the marathon, the 5K? Really? Yeah. I think I was a junior. You know, they used to have an Entenmann's 5K did you know that I won the ice lift marathon not the marathon the 5k really yeah I think I was a junior you know they used to have an Entenmann's 5k down

did you get a cookie at the end I don't know I'll have to check it was in Bayshore so that's probably your neck of the woods I'm doing an Entenmann's 5k

tonight at home with my donuts Bowen that's a lot oh my god we're actually exercising together tonight what are you doing

we're doing the Peloton Cody Rigsby talk show. Oh, that's very fun. Bowen is the guest and I'm sort of in the audience doing a bit. I watched him on Dancing With The. Dancing With The. Well, you know who's killing it right now? Shangela.

Shangela. Oh, yes. I will watch for her. I think she might have won because I saw that she was trending, but I haven't watched the whole season. But she's a dancer. Yeah. She's fab.

She's so good. Well, they always put on one person who's like truly a celebrity dancer. Yeah. Like someone who season. But she's a dancer. Yeah. She's fab. She's so good. Well they always put on one person who's like truly a celebrity dancer. Yeah. It's like oh Julianne Hough is competing. Well I wonder how this will go. Against truly like Carole Baskin. It's like yeah I think you might beat Carole Baskin. If that's something

that you need then yeah I think you can probably have that. Yeah. It's like a pussycat doll in Bristol Palin. Oh my God I remember that I remember Bristol Palin from being on Teen Mom OG And I gave her a really fair chance Bristol Palin was on Teen Mom OG That's how far we've fallen

After the election After the election It was a little after it was on Farrah When they finally came to Farrah and they said Farrah you need to choose between adult films and the show. We can't have you do both. And Farrah said, and I think she rightly said, well, this is my life. You're trying to document the stories of teen moms.

Well, this is something I'm going to make money. And she, of course, you know, didn't choose the most eloquent words when she did say that to the producer. I think she did kind of push the producer. But they ended up having two part ways with Farrah. And they brought in two girls, Cheyenne, for who had been on Are You the One? and Bristol. Bristol didn't work out.

She was just not additive to the show. And Cheyenne is still on it. And she does have her child's father is, I think, one of the hottest members of MTV's The Challenge, Corey. Look up Corey from The Challenge. She's so freaking hot. I think every challenge contestant is hot.

Aggressive, straight energy and even when there's a gay guy on there and they're like lowering their voice to fit in still in the year of our Lord 2022. If you think Johnny Bananas can't fuck me if he wants, you're wrong. Mike The Miz still to this day. He can fuck me if he wants. You're wrong. Mike the Miz still to this day. Because he can fuck me if he wants. CT who's still against all odds

doing these things. I know he won last season. He won last season. Let me tell you something. The ass on CT back in the day. Crazy. I mean the ass on... If we want to talk about a bubble butt. Abram. Abram's butt. I don't remember it. But I mean Johnny has an unbelievable butt.

And there is a sex video out there what yeah I gotta check it out have you ever watched Ozzy from Survivors sex stuff

because he has only fans I'm a subscriber I'm not attracted to Ozzy okay then you're not gonna like well you haven't seen him accomplish amazing feats of physicality

it's kind of wild I've seen him climb a tree I don't care about that it's pretty amazing the way he climbs a tree yeah but I don't need it is but yeah okay fine you've painted me into a corner I admit that it's cool that he him climb a tree I don't care about that it's pretty amazing the way he climbs a tree yeah but I don't need but yeah okay fine you've painted me

into a corner I admit that it's cool that he can climb a tree but I just don't feel sexual you don't want to see him you know what I was thinking about the other day that you girls will appreciate

what I was thinking about this moment and I wanted to find it on like whatever episode it was in in Micronesia and like post it and be like she was so real for this

and it's just that moment when Ozzy comes up to Parvati when they realize that Parvati's turned and like maybe she just voted James out or something I forgot who she voted out

first James or Ozzy but the other one it was Ozzy first and then she has the conversation with James James comes around and says

who are you going to bring to the end and she turns and she says girls so good so good so good

Parvati was so mother for that she was so mother for that I think she has her hands on her and she just goes kind of shrug yes yes girls so cool

so mother for that so mother for that girls you guys need to we need to get back together Parvati and Amanda Amanda and Parvati yeah because

I think they're not connected anymore they're not connected but I will say Parvati follows Amanda Amanda doesn't follow Parvati this is as of a couple years ago they both follow Seri

Seri follows both yeah Seri is the link the glue yeah oh and then recently there was like on the reddits

there was that Parvati actually nominated Amanda for their Survivor Hall of Fame because you could I guess recently recently within the last couple years

I think Amanda deserves that oh 1000% there was an era of Survivor where Amanda was a main character yeah oh 1000 that was impressive. There was an era of Survivor where Amanda was a main character. Oh, that was the golden era. Yeah,

it really was. She was the star of China to me. Yes, she was the star of China. The way she flopped at the final tribal council, I was like, oh God.

And then Micronesia, like kind of same thing. Yeah. She really gets gun shy at the tribal councils, but. She was the star of China and then Ciri was the star

of Micronesia. Ciri was amazing. And Parvati was the star of Heroes of star of heroes and villains yeah well if i had my druthers it would have been amanda wins china siri wins micronesia parvati wins heroes versus villains yeah why did they do that with micronesia why did they fuck siri over in that way they because they knew she would win but i think they wanted i think they wanted it to be more of a competition but not um you mean like so because i, you mean like, because I don't mean like why did Amanda and Parvati talk her over.

Yeah, why did they go from top to top? That's what I'm saying. I think the producers knew it would be a Suri landslide. Okay, good, good. I think they know.

I know, but I also think the producers were produced, were also edited, wanted to edit a Parvati win. Yeah. I remember, because I watched Micronesia actually kind of late

and I already knew a lot of the things that happened. And I remember going in and watching me like, this is going to be a coronation for Parvati win. Yeah. I remember because I watched Micronesia actually kind of late and I already knew a lot of the things that happened and I remember going in and watching and being like this is going to be a coronation for Parvati

and I remember being like oh no this is a series season. But then at the last minute. Yeah. I think that they all played probably equally good games

and then it was just yeah. I think the producers sort of made a decision about that because otherwise why would they have done that? Are you watching Current? I'm catching up. I just started. I think the producers sort of made a decision about that. Because otherwise, why would they have done that? Are you watching Current?

I'm catching up. I just started. I think that this season is actually getting really boring. Okay, well, here's the thing. Jeff Probst needs to calm down. At all times. But we also love him for that. I don't love him for that. I want to tell him to his face one day.

I hope he'll hear it. I want to say to his face, I want to say, you know, you're ruining Survivor, by the way. Like that. Like exactly like that. You know, by the way,

I don't know if you care, you're ruining the show. You're ruining the game. The whole thing needs to take like a beta blocker. Yeah. First of all, go back to basics.

Go back to 39 days, which we definitely won't. Australia is like four years. They're out there for four years. Survivor Australia is 50 days. No. And it's better for it. No more starting with three tribes of like four people. It's like that's

not interesting or cool. I just think they're very clearly trying to save money. It's like get over a building bridge and get over it. I know but like that's why it's 26 days and there's so many fucking twists like they think that's what makes it interesting. It's not. And I would also say that it's almost like

the Survivor cast members now are watching Potomac Housewives too much and taking a card from Giselle because they're all so safe and concerned about just like... I don't know. There's just no big moves happening. So basically, Pat,

this has been a wonderful episode and we want to thank you. I want to thank you. We want to thank you for coming. I know the the readers are so happy I hope I gave the readers anything you know the feeling I know the feeling but that feeling guess what I was actually thinking the other day of how nervous I used to get before

I don't think so many live shows I remember like the culture being so nervous the vibes were a little bit off well it's because no one could decide whether or not we were having fun or really competing. I know. We were on different sides of that. And I think that unfortunately, feelings were hurt.

Really? Oh, yeah. I could see in some people's eyes that they were upset. I just remember feeling like I was going to do bad. And Michelle Collins and Annie Donnelly are sworn enemies. Didn't you win? I sworn enemies didn't you win I did but through kind of

a twist in the game like I was brought back into the game very Survivor I was released back into the game we love you and we end

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