Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - “Cute Girls With Sick Minds” (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Episode Date: July 3, 2024

A lot going on at the moment LOLZ! Matt and Bo prepare for their Eurotrip by smokin’ reefer and finding their karaoke songs. The dummies also speculate on LG7 and ruminate on Gaga’s recent lunar energy. Also! Matt and Bow discuss C, XOXO by cute girl with a sick mind Camila Cabello with special Las Cultch Miami correspondent Jared Frieder, who is really giving Culturista on this ep. All this, Lorde being so back, the future of our fucking country, the incredible branding and impact of Charli XCX’s BRAT and how we may need to get Charli back on the show for a post mortem, the rise of Paige Desorbo, the fall of porn tops, bad usage of the word “darling” in popular music, how exactly you become “Delta 360”, and radio play vs. streaming when it comes to the Billboard charts. Cute girl wit a sick mind!!!!!!!!!!!! 🎶See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. I love that. Oh my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg. You're recording us? I am disgusted.

Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy. We were friends. How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Wednesdays at nine on Bravo or stream it on City TV Plus. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw

interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. I was a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy, Elian Gonzalez, was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba? Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home, and he wanted to take his son with him. Or stay with his relatives in Miami?

Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Oh my. Bowen, look over there. Wow. Is that a culture? Yes. Oh my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. We are. What are we doing? First of all, this is a very interesting. Setup. Setup.

For lack of a better word. We are sitting across the dining room from each other. And Bowen, let's just say it right here, right now, has a long one. Bowen Yang has got a long one. This is not. Essentially, now, has a long one. Bowen Yang has got a long one. It's actually really close to number 15. Bowen Yang has got a long one. I do mean dining room table, but we are... It's pretty average sized, I would say.

Listen, take the assist. Take the assist, goddammit. I'm here saying you got an extra long, quote unquote, dining room table. And I was actually talking about the dining room table. We're across from it looking at each other. Very Fifty Shades of Grey. Oh, Fifty Shades of Grey.

We also have recorded in the past in a similar setup. I'm saying this is also very Power Couple, which is the web series with Matt Rodgers and Sudi Green. We've talked about this on the pod before. But I just can't believe that our reference in Power Couple was so clear that you'd go from Fifty Shades of Grey

right to Power Couple. Thank you, sister. Everyone, go on YouTube, look up Power Couple Justin, Brittany, Matt, Roger, Sudi Green directed by Peter Kelly. We've really known each other a long time, haven't we? We have many memories. We've seen many seasons of each other, haven't we?

Speaking of seasons, it's Pride Month we? speaking of seasons it's pride month speaking of seasons it's pride month finally pride month July finally July the year when I'm sorry the month when no I think you had it right the first time July is the year of pride month

July is the year of pride month when Harvey Milk assassinated Adolf Hitler thank god my girl came through. We smoked a little. Little? I would say we smoked a lot because we're preparing. We're strapping in. There's a lot going on.

A lot going on at the moment. We have... Title of ep. By the way, Jared is here as an audience slash. He's going to come in later. We have him. He's a special correspondent to a very special cultural issue we have. I think this cultural issue will take the entire

real estate of the episode. You don't know that yet. We haven't even brought it up yet. You know what I haven't even done yet? What? Cute girl with a sick mind. Well, here we go. We're already... No! It's not time yet. Okay, what are we preparing for? What are we strapping in for? We are strapping. We are literally, as soon as we're done

recording this episode, we are going to the airport to the new Delta One lounge. At JFK, we're rolling the dice and crossing enemy lines. I almost said grounds. We're crossing over. We're saying

LaGuardia, thank you for everything you've done. Thank you for the merch. Thank you for the merch. We gotta fly out of JFK and we're trying their new Delta Sky Lounge. Which just opened days ago. We're very excited. I feel like a cute girl. I cannot wait to have a bloody. I'm gonna have

a something. What? What did you think I was gonna say? I didn't know. I was already on the edge of my seat. Would you have an Averill Spritz at the airport? What is the vibe you bring inill Spritz at the airport? Like, what is the vibe you bring, in a cocktail sense, to the airport lounge? Airport lounge cocktail is very

specific context. Right? I think... Don't lie. Mezcal Negroni. That's really good. Do they make that? Let me tell you something. If you ask, I bet they can figure it

out, queen. I think I just... No, people don't make that, do they? Mezcal Negroni. I would be... You want to start a bet? Hold on. We have to cut this. I'm a reader. So, why do we have to cut this? What do you mean? Okay, Mezcal Negroni. Sorry. What, did you have to Google and see if it was a real

thing? Oh my God. My girl is so burnt. No, that's all. No, it's not being cut. That is the vulnerability that the judges are looking for. When you had to look up what mezcal Negroni was

to make sure it was even a thing. Because I'm so tired. Oh my God. The T word. You know what? I'm done avoiding the T word. I'm back to saying. I'm so happy my girl came alive. Take them down. Take them down right now.

They've criticized you for saying the T word. Get them. I... Get them. No. Get them. I don't want them. This is what we're cutting. I don't want to reference them. We're cutting this. Okay, hold on. No. We're back. We're back. We're back. How high did you get? How high did I get? Yeah Not very high, but this is what i'm working with. This is why i'm t word

No explain and I literally do want to know the ins and outs of what you've been through because I looked at all the rap Photos and it looked emotional and I have to say I could not be more excited And I don't think people are really hearing me when I say how good this movie is going to be that you just wrapped and I want to hear all about it. Sister, thank you. I am, I'll imagine my seat. So whatever, we wrapped at like four in the morning

in Vancouver on Friday. I have for the next day, the best I could do ticket wise was when we booked the flight, of course, the return flight to New York was 1 p.m. out of Vancouver, layover in Salt Lake City. So the Vancouver flight to Salt Lake City flight lands at 4.45. If it's on schedule.

And then the Salt Lake City to JFK flight takes off at 530. We were only like 45 minutes delayed. I get there. You got scooped. I did not get scooped. Oh. I missed the connection. Oh, that's I guess what I mean is like, for some reason I was thinking of scoop. I thought you meant like they came to scoop me.

No, no. To throw me to the other side of the terminal. No, I meant it negative. Pejorative. Yeah, okay. So pejorative, I got Scoop. I'm so sorry, sister. I'm a Scoop fan.

No, it's okay, sister. So my next flight out, I just basically had a seven-hour layover in Salt Lake City, which by the way, very chic airport. Can I say, do you then, Basically had a seven hour layover in Salt Lake City, which by the way, very chic airport. Can I say, do you then, because seven hours is giving to me the option to leave. You did not leave? I did not leave because here's my,

and this is the thing. This is my own thing. So funny, by the way, is about this company in a loving non pejorative way. Yeah. I was like, if I'm in a Delta lounge, I'm happy. But for seven hours, actually, you know what? One time I did spend seven hours there. Also, if you were to leave and explore, you're right. That airport is a cute airport. It's a cat out. And I love Salt Lake. I just did not feel

that after like wrapping this, like after like being at work, not like 12 hours before. Girl, you're here. You're in one piece. Yes. That's like 12 hours before. Girl, you're here, you're in one piece. Yes. That's like the important part. Anyway, I flew in at, I got in on a red eye yesterday, landed yesterday morning. And so that's why, because I even took one hit of this, my brain is on yet again, zero. But I think that did not stop us last week from having a great episode. No, I actually think when our brains are on zero, we are the most open. I do want to say because the table is so long and it's extra long. It's not that long. No, it's so long. That means I am restricted from being able to wrap my arms around you because sweetheart, the fact that you are so Kendrick Lamar humble.

Oh my God. that I was like please tell us about everything you've been through like you must be exhausted and you still talked about the flight I meant the process of doing the film and like what you guys made I still want to hear about but you you really are just it was

about that flight brain on zero yeah brain on zero do you even remember shooting the film not really just kidding um very emotional last day i got the girls into couples therapy really best believe i'm still bejeweled and the girls meet meaning kelly marie and lily kelly marie lily uh ki-chan han Han, who plays my love interest, who was very sad to leave the country of Canada,

or I should say the VPN of my account because he was like, they don't have this in Korea. He looked it up. He was like, there's nothing like this in Korea. There's no VPN. There's no VPN

or couples therapy, the show, or there's no Korean Orna. My God. Isn't that sad? At least we know that's a role that's a star we have yet to find the korean orna the korean orna is going to take over the world every country should have an orn and they do they just haven't been discovered yet that's why we're announcing south korea's next first orna we're. We are the hosts of the new reality competition series,

South Korea's first Orna. Dozens of therapists across the land are coming with the one goal of becoming this nation's Orna. Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang host this cutthroat, but therapeutic competition. Who is Orna? Oh my God. I'm picturing it.

All I'm picturing is Orna Gronick standing in like insane, like American Idol stage lighting. I guess I'm just going to go out there and give it my best shot and show them what I can do. Then come out, stand in front of the judges, sit down. Now what's going on here?

And the judges, aka you and I, just go through 30 different therapy sessions. And at the end, we find out who really got us together. And only they can go to the finals where they have to sing. Then they have to sing. I need this. Well, we can probably have AI make it. Then they have to sing. I need this.

Well, we can probably have AI make it. Oh my, no, we can't. AI could never fucking do this. Owen. They could. No, I'm telling you. Let me tell you something. I'm here to speak for AI.

We could do anything, queen. Anything we put our mind to. We can do better. You know what I've been really enjoying? Yes, tell me. Drag Race. The Drag Race All-Stars. I am so behind, but I'm so happy to hear this. Speaking of reality competition series, God, imagine a Drag Race version of Next Orna.

Roast each other. I don't want any Ornas in drag. I think Orna could be a really good snatch game. Orna would be an amazing. Oh, honestly. Oh, my God. Someone get on it.

So who are you being? Dr. Orna Gronick. I love Dr. Orna Gronick. I love her. She's funny. She's funny. Well, how are you going to make her funny funny? Oh, my God.

You honestly could. She is a better snatch game character than like i don't know any of the ones i say i'll do you found your your snatch game i did you know what i realized the other day all along in my life i've known my karaoke song but i've never done it have we talked about this no i just you ever have that feeling when you're at the karaoke bar and you leave within a state of despair? Because something's missing. Something was missing. You didn't sing your song.

You did not get there. And you want to know why? It's because you get your hands on the book and you're so spoiled for choice that you're like, your brain stops working. Why did you and Jared just point to each other? Like y'all have an inside joke. No, we were, no, no, no.

I was telling Jared about like the whole James Seamus treatise on like Netflix and how it's ruining the culture. And like, and Jared and I were talking about how like, you're talking about this book that he was reading about the birth of the American supermarket and how it's the same thing. Like when human beings are overwhelmed with choice,

our brains just shut down. Damn. Yes. I actually think, you ever be walking around? We're getting so- You ever be walking around we're getting so you ever be walking around New York and you know you have to eat lunch but

you don't know for an hour and a half oh and you just keep walking this has been me now yes yes we need to get back on track we first now we need to like go back towards the central question that we asked at the beginning of this episode.

Let's see, 13 minutes ago, which is where are we going? What are we doing? Okay, but- Well, the first thing I want to say is that my karaoke song going forward- Yes. Is Get Out of My Dreams, Get Into My Car

by the one, the only- Tell me about this because I saw you post that story, that song on your stories, and I go, I think Matt's really having a moment with this song. I am. But how did you, how did this come up? Well, it came up because

I was really in my room, and I was, I guess what I was doing was, I was sort of smoking weed. And one thing led to another. And I just realized I know what the most fun song of all time is. And I know what song sits in my voice the best.

And I gave it a shot. I gave it a shot in my room. I can give us a shot now. In my room. Would you like to hear some of my song? I'm clamoring. This is my rendition of Get Out of My Dreams, Get Into My Car by Billy Ocean. Who's that lady coming down the road who's that lady

who's that woman walking down the road what's the score i'll be the sun shining on you hey sandorello step in your shoes i'll be your non-stop lover get a while you get non-stop miracle i'm your man get out of my dream hey get into my car. Get out of my dream. Get in the backseat, baby. Get into my car. How did we feel about that? Nothing has ever felt more like in your spirit than both like the words of the song, the way you performed it, obviously. And not every word was even right. Right.

It didn't matter. I'm ready to start singing that around the country. How do you feel about stepping into your destiny? I feel that the key was a little high. That I picked for myself. I'm asking you how you feel feel but i feel like i conquered it i feel like it was definitely a profound spirited vocal i'm not talking about the vocal how do i feel i'm talking about the emotional reality of stepping into your destiny let me tell you

something there's nothing like music ever and that's rule of culture number 30 Let me tell you something. There's nothing like music ever. And that's rule of culture. Number 30. Let me tell you something. There is nothing like music ever. And when I feel you connect with a song and you know this, cause I've seen you connect with a song and deliver it far between. Yes. So beautifully that people scream from outside the venue.

Bowen Yang used to do. No, no, we're not doing this. No. You answer the question. How do I feel? Now that I've. I feel. Like, I'm telling you, like, I'm ready to step into any atmosphere and bring the mood up when I have that track play.

Can I just say. It's me and the rest of my future with that song? Because can I just say, and this is, this is just out of love and not like actual jealousy, but I'm so jealous. What do you mean? Because no, cause you didn't let me say the one that you do here before that though. I know what you're going to but I but I want to say like I gosh like I have never connected with any piece of media entertainment art the way you just did with that song that isn't true and you forget yourself in the words of the amazing Angelica from Hamilton because Because you're like me. Go.

You know I listened to the whole thing today. Satisfied? Mm-hmm. That's an amazing song. Can I say something? I've been on one all day. You all fucking day. Jared, you can use words. Hi.

Then I can pick you up. You've been on one all day. I'm sorry. I just yelled at you. I'm sorry. I just yelled at you, Jared. It's so crazy. He really yelled'm sorry i just yelled at you i'm sorry i just thought you're so crazy so he really yelled at him you yelled at him okay thank you i know what you're gonna say

you notice he does these little tactics to throw off the scent but i won't i'm like a dog with a bone with this moment in culture which is when bowen Yang steps forth to perform the song. Bang, bang. My baby shot me down by Nancy Sinatra in the style of Lady Gaga. And the aesthetic of share. Let's say it's in the great tradition of divas. You haven't seen anything.

This is what I'm going to say. And I'm sitting back in my chair and I am at the end of a very long table. And I'm so happy this is where I'm sitting because I can look my sister dead in her eyes and say, this is what I'm going to say. We will do these two songs next year at the Culture Awards.

Oh my God! will do these two songs next year at the culture awards oh my god oh my god oh my god and and no one understands what the implications of that are right now are enormous and i have never been happier in my entire life because I know what's going to happen. This is the greatest gift you've ever given me. I can see the future. I can see the future. And it is so bright. That's what we'll do.

That's what we'll do. That's what we'll do. The Real Housewives of New York City are back for another bite of the Big Apple. Look who it is. Joined by elite new friends. Rebecca Minkoff. Have you ever heard of her? But things could change in a New York Minute. She had this wild night and ended up getting pregnant by some other guy. What?

You told her? Not today, Satan. Not today. The Real Housewives of New York City. All new Tuesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. On Thanksgiving Day 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere.

Elian Gonzalez. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami.

Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Ches Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you

asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. Cecilia next week and we'll probably be giving you an episode from there. We will be giving you for the very first time an episode from, not Europe, because we've done an episode from Europe. This is, I guess, first from Italy. From Italy. This is a huge moment in the book. Our first Italian episode.

Our first ever Italian episode. Wow. Do you know what I think is going to happen? What? Just because spiritually I think that this is sort of what tends... Yeah, yeah. I feel this happening. I can't explain how.

Go on. Lady Gaga's going to make some type of announcement while we're there. Period. Like, there's a reason why we're going to Italy. There's so...

I can feel in the air when I lick my fingers and put them up in the air, I can literally feel Gaga in the air. And I will say... You feel LG7 kiss your. And I will say you feel LG seven. I do kiss your fingers. I actually have been watching quite a few YouTube videos about what may be in the cards

for LG seven. And I find myself not ready to make a prediction, but to sort of start to forecast what this is going to be. Have you noticed a lot of black and white imagery in her recent press a lot of sort of oh my god even allusions to like the dark side of the moon the light side of the moon that duality there are some people online who think that she might be giving like a Dante Alighieri like Paradiso like sort of heaven and hell black and white sort of like yeah something like that like i'm gagging you know what i'm saying so it's just like there but there was some videos that really got into this and it seems like the black and white of it all has to be intentional and there's something with the moon she said good night to the moon at the end dance into the shadow of the moon chromatica Ball and then the LG7 popped up.

I just think there's something going on and she's also made comments recently like I'm going to hell, like I'll see you in hell. Like she's been a little on one with the heaven and hell imagery and the black and white imagery and people are connecting all of this.

Why has that been missing in the culture? Heaven and hell, it needs to make a comeback. Hold on. So in that snippet, I think they intentionally took out that third word or dancing in the shadow

of the blank. Hold on, hold on. Sorry. Shadow of the blank hold on hold on sorry shadow of the i think that there's something with the moon the that's the moon oh my god why do i have chills and i i also think that we must be returning to like Born This Way harder. Maybe like, you know what I'm saying? I just think we might be going back to like, because Chromatica was still like fun. And I think we might go back to like hard and dark. That seems to me like post Joker, the mentality that it's giving.

We can't forget what she gave at the oscars when she had just come from filming the joker like the state that she was in when she sang hold my hand from top gun like i don't know if she was recording or writing then i would imagine like she was using some of what she was feeling to put into her work but like i don't know i think that we can definitely i think we're gonna get something hard because i also think she's gonna want it to feel like it matches the tone of whatever joker folia do is gonna give and i think that movie's gonna go hard so i think we're in for an extreme gaga oh my god because the producers that they've announced so far are gestalt flustein gestalt flustein peggy gal um the weekend are Gustafelstein, Peggy Gao, The Weeknd, sure.

And Rick Rubin again. The Weeknd is scary pop. So I'm into it for Gaga. Rick Rubin, which I don't think she's worked with him since Art Pop. I am so happy about it because Rick Rubin gives a big dramatic vocal. Always. Big dramatic vocal. And then Caroline Polachek.

So it's like- Oh, come on. This is going to be really- See, this is how you fucking come back with cool fucking producers and bring relationships from the past, but also move forward. This would be how you do that.

This is our corollary to our Katy Perry polemic last episode. Look, I didn't say it, but when Yang said it. Anyway. I said all of it last week. And then now we're getting back on track. Oh, yes, a Sicily episode.

And then we were nearing something earlier. We were nearing something earlier? We were nearing a topic of conversation. I mean, CXOXO, you mean my girl? Let's talk about it. Cute girl with a stick in mine? I said a couple weeks ago, I wasn't even considering this new Camila era as culture I was like I don't

like what whatever this looks like it looked like too much of a Charlie XCX ripoff to me it looked too like oh that girl might be going to like a quarter life in a way that's like I just didn't take seriously because I didn't think that anything good was gonna come of it if she's going through a quarter life she fucking delivered to me on like at least putting a whole bunch of that in the album it feels like extreme and fun and like she's just like really connected to whatever culture it is that brought out like this fun little pops of energy like I like the fucking album and I was not checking for it. And I'm a Camila fan too. Like I like her, some of her old albums. I don't think she's been a fave of mine,

but like I've judged this on face value and maybe that's my fault. Maybe it's their fault in marketing, but like the album is great. I like it a lot, a lot. Nothing too alarming about the thing that people are saying, which is like, oh, it's messy. It's like a little too all over the place. It's like a little too all over the map. But you're like, see, at what point is it all over the map? And at what point is it like meant to be like, the other side of that coin is like, oh, this person's so versatile.

Or this album is so versatile. Or it's just like, this is a real snapshot. There's insane things that happen in this album. Like there's one track that's just literally a fan's voicemail to her about how much her one of her other albums meant to him because his dog died like that's one whole track in the album that's what i'm like this is insane it's such a weird choice but it's little things like that that i think sometimes help make an album memorable like there's little pieces in here little transitions where like there's one called 305 till i die which is just her and a bunch of girls getting

ready to go somewhere i was joking with cory camper trolley was coming on our vacation he was like that's literally just i was on the way to arrow store like 305 till i die there's little bizarre things in here which are like make me feel like oh you know what i like about this she wasn't too precious about it it seems like she actually kind of like threw up her hands with this one and was like I don't know I'm going through it I'm gonna like make an album about things I love like Miami and partying and like being a little bit of like an obsessive romantic person and sure put it in there and I'm gonna be blonde and I just I don't know get it. And I was hard on her, but I love it.

You are such, you are very developed in that thinking. That's very, very, very nice. You feel? Yes. This way? Jared and I were remarking on how the visuals are very good and creative team is doing excellent, excellent, excellent work along with, which includes her, obviously.

Well, that's why he's really, why he's here. Derek is our Miami correspondent as we talk about Camila Cabello. So like words that were popping out to me were like Biscayne, Collins Avenue. He sort of like 305, Jay County. Translate some of the Miami stuff in here. And how do you think Camila did as a Miami girl?

So as a fellow Miami girl, as a 305 sister, as a Biscayne hottie, okay. As someone who also loves samples on songs called boats, I really do feel as though Camila is always undervalued. She's always underrated. Yes, there is a slight hyper pop ability to her in this moment in time,

but I think that the album is just, you know, the sounds of the ocean, the sounds of a cafecito in a warm summer breeze. And what I will, just to back up Bowen's thought about the visual aesthetic, like the girl knows how to pick a director. Yeah, yeah. They're all super interesting. She's never boring.

Her choices are weird. She's a cat in a tree in one video that's trying to be cut down by the police. You love that one. It made me absolutely giggle. And do I know what Playboi Carti is saying on the verse? Couldn't tell you if my life depended on it. But baby, that's Miami.

We don't know who's speaking or what they're saying, but we do know one thing. They came to Slay. They came to Slay! And wait, your favorite track is I Think He Knows? I Think He Knows! I love it. And I love the music video and I love that Nas and Camila fight over the same guy, which we don't see enough in

the culture. It says there shouldn't be labels. It's saying queerness is the future. Get on board or get out my house. Get out and into my car. GTFO. Oh my God, the best song ever. I'm so excited to do it next year for the culture awards. And then there's a moment at the end of the Nas video

where like Camila and Nas do a little bit of a bit. And Camila lands it. No, Camila really nails the acting moment. I mean, there's nothing more I need than a sketch at the top of a pop music video. And I'm just going to say this, you can tell a lot from the top of a pop music video. And I'm just going to say this, you can tell a lot from the quality of those sketches. 1,000%.

And when someone comes in and is Kristen wigging it, like Camila Cabello, who is just as funny as Kristen wig, that is what everyone here was saying off mic. She's the people Cinderella. She's the people Cinderella. When push comes to shove, this girl is the comedy future. She's a Dina Menzel stepdaughter.

You don't get funnier than that. I am blown away by this idea. Would you say that she's a cute girl with a sick mind? Talk about your love for Chanel number 5 I love Chanel number 5 talk about why because we're not getting it

oh my god I love Chanel well I don't know it's like cute girl with a sick mind it doesn't take much more than that for me but I will say this about cute girl with a sick mind like if that's true then the rest of the album I kind of want to hear about her sick dark thoughts well I think it's all there

I think it's like her sick dark thoughts are I'm gonna put a fan voicemail on my fucking album I honestly I think that that's so insane it's sick minded for sure it's dark sided but I love it

and I think it like it something. I think she said, put that on there. This is what we're talking about. Pop right now needs serrated edges. Serrated edges. I was thinking about that. There is something serrated edge about this. I realized after we had that conversation

how important that is, what you said. The serration. The serration is because guess what? We're still split years later about whether or not Solar Power was a good album. And maybe it was. I think it was.

It just didn't have the serrated edge. I've been listening to a lot of Lorde over the past few days just because she is so back as we all found out last week. But nothing compares to melodrama.rama i mean nothing compared i was

gonna say i was gonna say super drama super drama super cut on i actually think it might be ansonoff's best melodrama is statement when you combine what an incredible lyricist she is with his production forget about like how singular her vocal is and how it feels like she is truly the only one

like her in the entire universe but like they really were a match made in heaven I would say it's 100% yeah yeah in competition with what

with Norman fucking Rockwell yeah um I would do 1989 no because that's not the the things that we love a lot of the things that we love from 1989 are not our max like it's not a jack majority album where i could like make that distinction i would have to say i would have to say folklore or lover,

but as body of works, it's 50-50. The thing about Jack and Melodrama is it was the two of them. It was Ella and Jack like in a room making this cohesive like one in a billion album. I just don't know that him and Taylor have had that cohesive experience on one album. I will say I am a midnight stan over time. Complete midnight stan.

And I think that people need to listen to Maroon again. That's all I'll say about that. Maroon. So scarlet it was Maroon. I mean, that's right there for you too. Hold on. The implications of

Matt saying that we are singing these songs at Culture Awards are unfathomable and I actually don't think I can do it. Bowen, that's not your decision to make. It is God's decision and he has spoken through me. I am a vessel. I'm sure this

is complete divinity. It is your destiny. But I can't do it. It is your destiny. But I can't do it. It is your destiny. I can't do it in that context. Yes, you can. We're going to set the intention and we're going to speak on it later.

But now what has happened is this is what was supposed to happen. We're supposed to get here. We're so stoned, you guys. No, I'm clear. I'm very clear. I've actually never been so clear. I'm freaked out.

You are going to eat. Oh, dear God. Bowen, let me ask you a question. What's five plus three? How many letters in stallion? How many letters in devoured? I can't count. How many slices of D that word? I can't count. How many slices of pizza usually?

How many Johnny fucked up shit? What? How many Johnny K plus? Hey boo. Hey boo. Spiders have how many? Legs that is. Legs. Legs. legs that is legs

hey my favorite Adam Sandler movie blank crazy nights you could just say how many nights in a honey that's not what I said sad oh wait we didn't you know we didn't talk about in June Gloom nights in a hot neck. That's not what I said. Sad. Oh wait, you know what we didn't talk about?

In June Gloom by Camila Cabello off the album CXOXO. Girl. When she goes, does she get this right for you baby? You haven't heard it yet have you? You haven't listened to the whole album. I'm scared. I'm scared to listen to a song called June Gloom when we were just recently in that month.

Well, thank God we've left it because finally it's Pride Month. It's July. And we are so excited, as always, to represent the community. We love you all. And this is the podcast where every gay person can feel represented.

Le Jebetik is here to stay. How do you feel about how the word has caught on? It has. I feel really touched by the way the community has really gotten together. The community gets so led for us, baby. I thought collectivism

was over. No, it's just beginning. It's just beginning. It's just beginning. Just beginning. Collectiv it's just beginning. It's just beginning. It's just beginning. Just beginning. Collectivism is just beginning. Oh my God. Why are you thinking about the... No, I'm thinking about a story, the story that Jimmy Fowley

shared on this podcast that he then shared at a pitch meeting on Monday which was unforgettable. The way Jimmy Fowley slays at SNL but like in the room you've never seen a room

more obsessed with a gay man he is the gay king of SNL it was always him always Jimmy fucking Fowley but remember that story you showed on the podcast where he found out his ex was cheating on him or something and so then he threw

I forgot what he threw something at the car door it was a full baseball bat he literally bust the windows in your car he like did that song to his ex and then the ex said what the fuck

and then Jimmy swerves like flips to you and in the most cinematic way goes says to him this is just the beginning this is just the beginning can you believe that his episode of Lost Colch is not called this is just the beginning what were we thinking it's called Freak Sick

I would be curious to go listen to that one again because that was when you guys barely knew each other we did not know each other. But I have been a Jimmy Fallon super stan since the beginning. Did he do the Secret Life of Go-Go Dancers? What was that? Yes, yes, that was him.

It was Go-Go Boy Interrupted. Go-Go Boy Interrupted. He's so fucking funny. Jimmy's great. Jimmy is our kid. He is a natural lightning rod comedy star. 100%. Love him.

It is just the beginning, but that's what brought me to that. Collectivism is just the beginning. You have such a good memory. Do you think that we're so... We numb ourselves out so much because we can feel how dark everything is all around us.

Is that why you think we numb ourselves? Like, let's really get real. Why do you each and every day choose to numb the pain? Drugs. Alcohol. Why do you think you can't face how dark the world is? Is it because if you start, you won't stop? Ask a question.

Oh, honey. Huh? Despair. That's what we all want to avoid. You will fall into it. You will fall into despair. You will fall into despair. Ask Jeremy just for the weed again. We'll be right back. is a gossip. No one gets a happier life. Salt Lake City. We don't wear costumes, we wear fashion. And below deck sailing. You broke the rules and now you're here getting upset.

Watch all new seasons on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. On Thanksgiving Day 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian.

Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzales wanted to go home, and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami.

Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story

from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate, delusional dreamer, and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. And the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer.

Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me.

It took years for me to break that. Like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. What was it like watching? Did you watch? No, you didn't watch the debates you were working on.

Being in Vancouver, what was the vibes? Vibes were like we were on set and then like, I have not seen a single sound from that debate. That's how fucking scared I am. Yeah. No, be afraid. Be very afraid. I don't want to hear either of them talk,

but especially not Joe. Uh, yeah. It's scary. the descriptions that were coming out just verbally like that i was just reading i was just like no no no no no and i say this as a dual citizen comedian honestly i was thinking of you because i was like my girl has some place to go i'm lucky uh and now isn't that fucked up though like that's where we're at i know like oh it literally we actually can't talk about this i mean the thing is like i guess we can't talk about it because we

don't want to make vibes bad but like isn't that fucked up though like we can't even talk about it because it is a vibes destroyer and low-key it should it should be i guess because i i was like so i think one of the reasons i was like on a tear this morning is because like that shit happened with the Supreme Court where like, I don't know, X, Y, Z here. Probably something different by the time this comes out. But like whatever today, it got even worse. And I was just like, God damn it. Like, when is someone just going to come in and just fucking like save us or like no one? No one.

No one's going to do it. Like, but I'm just like we. And then I was like thinking about how high I was and everything. And I was just like, God, I guess I got to stop and at some point just be like this thing that we have been fearing coming, this election that we have been fearing coming is going to come. And I think the debates made that very clear for me the other night where I

was like, wow, he really is the person that we are choosing to go up against someone who is a full blown dictator. This is the guy. This is the guy that's going to do it. And I'm like, I don't know. I don't know if the best thing for everyone under him is to be like support him, support him, support him. Someone might have to step up and be like, no, no. I am the strong, powerful voice of this party. And I am not going to allow decorum to, to like send us into a

tailspin because we need someone to step up and be like, we are strong. You don't have to be afraid. We are going to preserve democracy. Yes. Really? I feel like there is like, we all long for someone not to throw the wicked reference, but we all long for someone to be behind the curtain in the Emerald City of the Democratic Party who's here pulling strings or ready to save us. I do not think that person exists. I do not think there's anyone behind the curtain. I don't know that there's anyone

driving the car at this point. I think the closest person we have is Obama. I think collectively the people who I know who are the most intelligent and well-read on just the political process and whether or not he could be replaced, lost all hope that that could be a plan when Obama tweeted the next day. The Obama tweet fucking sunk my soul. I think that he's the closest that we have to someone who's powering the Democratic Party and is the quote unquote pulling the strings behind the curtain. But beyond that, like like I don't know that

that person is there there's no like string pulling here because it's so personal to this one man's condition and it's like it's so that's what's fucked up about it there's no like lobbying into like getting

him to drop out you know what I mean there's no like money you can throw at that problem. It's like, this is an old man who like is too stubborn to make that decision. I just think it's gotten to a point where it's like, why are we lying to ourselves? Like, why would we pretend that this is the person that's going to make us look the strongest?

We need to look strong. And he literally is, in fact, quite depressing. Like, that's the thing is, like, you do need to be able to center a campaign around a person. That is the way this works. And if the whole thing is like, well, low key, we can't do that, but it's about bigger than him. It's like, but why does it have to be that? We can't just put someone in there if it's about more than him.

That's more inspiring. I get that there's like rules and I understand that people disagree, but it's just like hard to look at it the way that it is and be like, yeah, you know what? What we have to do is support the current situation harder.

What? That doesn't make any sense. In 2024, do you smoke a joint and go from Camila Cabello to CXXO to the end of the month? But this is Lost Cult. And that's on Lost Culturistas. Maybe that's on Lost Culturistas.

And I think it speaks to just the way that CXOXO speaks to her life right now. This episode speaks to her life. That's why this is called MRBYXOXO speaks to her life right now, this episode speaks to her life. That's why this is called MRBYXOXO. I thought it was called, okay, but yeah. But what's it called? I thought it was called something else.

Did we name this episode already? Yeah, I think you already did. Oh, what was it? It was a lot going on at the moment. A lot going on at the moment. No, it's MRBYXOXO. Cute girls with sick minds, or should it be cute girls with sick minds? Cute girls with sick minds? Or should it be cute girls with sick minds?

Cute girls with sick minds. Period. Talking about something that could actually save democracy, the man behind the curtain, they're painting the brat wall again today. Yeah, they are. That is huge. They're painting the brat wall again.

The best political news we've gotten in... Can't trust red, can't trust blue, you can't trust green. Green, brat green. That's Hoola Goldratt number 58. You can't trust blue, you can't trust green. That's Hoola Goldratt number 58. You can't trust red, you can't trust blue, you can't trust green. Sympathy is a knife featuring Taylor.

Y'all are sick. It would never happen. It's never gonna happen. Never gonna happen. A lot going on at the moment, but not that. Oh, God. What could be next? What could she literally do? Remember when she was on our podcast and said,

we joked, Mary M. Cosby is gonna be on a track with you? She said, yeah, full remix album is gonna be her. She, like, implied the release of a remix album. Charlie has a counterpoint in the world, and it is Mary M. Cosby on the Salt Lake cast. Like Mary M. Cosby is the Charlie XCX

of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Absolutely. Yeah. I do think that there's going to be a remix album because I feel like Caroline Polachek and recently Marina from Marina and the Diamonds have been so brat-tastic on social media in ways where I'm like, you jumping on a song?

Caroline gonna jump on Apple if it's the last thing she does. Oh, of course. I need it. It's so AG. It's so good. Well, you know what we're gonna do when he made it? Jump.

Jump. Period. What is your single favorite line from Bratt? To the airport. That's good. Which we're gonna literally be singing when we get to the car I'm gonna be insufferable later my single favorite line it's really hard to choose

for now right now it's gonna be till the windows crack I'll be bumping that till the windows crack can you imagine bumping that so hard that the windows crack. Can you imagine bumping that so hard that the windows shatter? I fucking love...

I hope to God we all get to experience that before the Civil War. I'm so happy this month is Pride Month. Me too, July. Because we have so many parties to look forward to where people are going to be bumping that till the windows crack. Can I return the question to you?

This is a huge question. I'm going to say my favorite line from Brat. Always on my mind. You want a power like a lightning strike. I do love you had a power like a lightning strike i do love you had a power like a lightning strike i think that's really beautiful i think that that i listened to that song a lot more than i so i yeah i thought i thought i would i mean it's so sad but it's so beautiful and it's so like personal i i was said to ted um who reps charlie and reps kelly from atlantic records

the other day i saw him at pride and I was like I wish that I had gotten to listen to that album like four or five more times before she came in because I don't think it hit me till like a couple days after we recorded with her like and then the album came out like just how much I loved it

have her back on again like Charlie part two after because no one she didn't expect Brat to take. No one expected. You don't think? No one. No one. She had the number three album in the country. She's never had that before. She's charting more songs than she has in the last decade.

I know that she obviously believed in the music and she's so smart, not only sonically but also her marketing team. Taste. This rollout is flawless. But I still feel like she could not have imagined what a moment this would be. I feel like that was the vision.

I think it was the vision, but like, she's just, she had such vision with Crash. She had such vision with Pop 2. Like she's, oh, it's never the music that is not. The culture caught up to her. The culture caught up to her. The culture caught up to her. She was always ahead. And she, there's even a line on there.

Like it is hard to be ahead and she's always ahead. And her taste is always so futuristic, but of the moment. And I feel like, like commercially, the audience finally responded to her the way that they always should have. And after I feel like she's had so many, some would say disappointments, like commercially, like what this might feel like and how validating it must feel. I hope that she's like, I would be so curious from this vantage point, what it feels like for her. footprint than some albums that were quotably bigger in sales or streaming or church numbers. The cultural footprint of Brat is

through the straps here. This is what you need for something iconic to hit in this way, like an attitude. It just needs an attitude. And Brat is literally in the title. Bratitude. It's Bratitude, but I think same for like chapel shit.

100%. It's not even a point of view. Like that's even too general of a term. It's like there is like a way you are like orienting yourself towards like this thing and like if other people can relate to that, then like they're going to fucking love it. They're also responding to authenticity.

Like I really feel like Chappell specifically and like Charlie are both incredibly vulnerable artists, which we don't see a lot. They have a sound that we don't always see honed in the way that they hone it. Like you hear a Charlie song, it's Charlie. It's no one else. Everything else is imitation.

Same thing with Chapel. It's just like two singular, authentic, truthful voices who are taking structures of songs, types of songs that we love and putting their own spin on them in a way where it's just like unforgettable and of the moment. And it's just like, those are not the two, when you named all the pop stars

that are releasing albums this year, like those weren't the two I thought would take over. No way. Isn't it wild how that all shook out? Now I'm thinking about like the even pop vocal album this year, like half of these girls are getting snubbed.

If Charlie doesn't get nominated, I think that will be... Well, this is what I was saying. It was like, she could put it in Dance Electronic album, but my thing is, in a world where we're actually judging things for what they are, I believe that Brat is a pop vocal album.

It's a pop vocal. Because she is the point of view. She is the artist. She is the star. You don't listen to that album for the music any more than you listen to Hit Me Hard and Soft from Billie Eilish for that production and that music. You could really compare the two in that regard. And in that way, you definitely wouldn't put Billie Eilish in Dance Electronic. You would put her where she belongs in pop vocal and i believe that's where brat belongs that being said renaissance one dance electronic album two years ago and i would absolutely agree with people who said that that is a moment where beyonce is also the artist it's not necessarily the music you listen for i think it's a weird case probably pop vocal album then as well for that album but it has won that category so there is

precedent for charlie to submit it there i just think she is so clearly the pop artist you know what i mean sure although is it maybe a thing within the academy where it's like a pop vocal album has to be like defined in this way where like the vocal isn't like too processed or whatever the fuck maybe in certain cases like they could submit that artist can submit an album for a category and then like there are people on the grammy committee who will listen to it and they'll be like actually it's not this category it's this other category and then they move it yeah so ultimately i don't feel like it's up to them but i don't know.

You've talked about defining dance electronic from the POV of the music over the artists where the artists in the front. And for me, it is more like a sound, but either like, yeah, what it sounds like sonically. And I think Charlie straddles the line.

I do think three 60 should win the padam padam rush Grammy, the new one, the pop dance recording. Oh, definitely. Yeah. Three 60. I mean, I think she should do whatever it is that's going to

win her Grammys. Don't get me wrong. If Brat's going to stomp in there and it could be a multiple Grammy winner for being in dance electronic fields, she should do that. I think what we're all saying is we hope that she... We hope that this is all put into the above the line quote unquote award.

Oh God, I think it should be an album of the year nominee for 100%. Also speaking to the marketing, you could teach like a college course in marketing about like, you know, like I wonder if at like Clive Davis and stuff they're talking about, which is like the recording. So basically there's like a school at NYU, which is called the Clive Davis,

you know, recording Academy or whatever the fuck. And you learn how to become like a real music industry participant, whether it's as an artist, as a producer, as a writer at something. And I would imagine that this is something that people are looking at. Like this is how an artist simultaneously had all their integrity and authenticity and all of their brand already. That's, that's their encompassed in something new that was able to be marketed to everyone else and also backed it up with music that track by track,

like the mission statement of that album, the word brat was in every single thing. And then when you think about the things that have come in the weeks since the album's release, like the Lorde version, like the meme ability of the way she announces things. It's like there's layers to it. There's so much going on.

And even hearing her talk about how like, no, like there were hours and hours of discussion about the green color. Like every single detail in this is from her has been, it has been mulled over so, so much in a way that you're like, you must respect this. Come on.

There was a gay guy at Pride who says that his mom and his like straight best friends, anytime they say lime green out in the wild, if it's like a literal lime or just the color of a poster, they'll like take a photo and send it to him and be like, bruh. But also credit where credit's due. I think have to shout out charlie's manager brandon who also does brandon ariana and terry who's her photographer and has like done a lot of like

design 100 terry is also benny drama's boyfriend we love terry sweetest in the world and they slayed the marketing rollout of this. And I mean, gag. Like, we're honored that we were a small part of it. It's so cool. By the way. Have you talked about Paige DeSorbo doing your audio? I will get to that in a second. But I want to say, you have culturista in your blood.

You need to be. You just really served culturista. It's giving third host. In a way that was very, you really served. Jared is third host so my life has prepared me for this but it's because you guys create such a warm

atmosphere whatever wait what Paige DeSorbo Paige DeSorbo did our well we didn't even start on the podcast we had one of our sounds the Charlie episode gave us a viral sound it's a huge honor and like literally the the like kennedys of our time craig conover and page de sorbo did the sound and i said thank you now i

know what true class and elegance looks like with our silly little words coming out of your mouth i love that couple. Might have to watch Summer House. I honestly, everyone says that it's the next frontier. Jared Frieder, like it's his comfort food television. Well, can I say, I just finished The Valley and I was, and like, I was promised very big things and I didn't, I do not think it lived up to those things. Valley's a little too dark for me. If I wanted to see straight people getting divorced, I just look around the real world. I want escape from Bravo. I want escape. And escape is brought to you

in the form of Summer House. Paige DeSorbo, the funniest person on Bravo, the voice of reason in the way that Bethany always wanted to be, but never was because she's, you know, Bethany.

And this, it was the scandal of all season where basically Lindsay and Carl, who'd been on the show from the beginning and were best friends, decided to get engaged too fast and then their engagement imploded

on the cameras in front of the whole world to see and for some reason it didn't feel as dark as the valley because there's the escapism of like the other characters. Or the valley was like kids involved and shit. It's just so sad. When there's people arguing and kids nearby I'm always like. It's death though.

Devastating. i always want to just scream scream out like this guy cute girl what a sick mind and just distract from everything you know you know i i wish when i was a little little boy and my parents would bitterly fight i could just at three years old have been like cute cute girl, wanna stick mine? You sound really incredible. You think so? Well, maybe we should use our voices

to speak out about something called I Don't Think So Honey. Wait, I quickly want to say, oh no, maybe this is, no, I've got two I Don't Think So Honey, so I'm going to get one thing out of the way. Go. Which is? So this is... No, I've got two. I don't think so many. So I'm going to get one thing out of the way. Go. Which is... So this is something you just want to speak on. And I can't believe I didn't bring this up earlier

when we were talking about Gaga. Go. The rumor is Diddy's lawyers finally fired him. Do you know why? Why? Because allegedly Gaga, who they also represent, called them and was like, I'm firing you guys if you don't fucking

drop Diddy this second. How dare you? And they're like, okay, but like, God, I don't think so many of those fucking lawyers, I'm sure they're great, but if it like, you had no moral conscience, like to, oh, and oh my God, this like Austin Wolf shit, things are dark right now.

The tops are falling left and right. Literally. Did he get top? No, I'm just saying like, he's not the, let's just say Austin Wolf was not the only top.

Oh, are there other ones too that are like falling apart? Michael Lucas, like, I mean. he's been far gone forever. Oh God.

Michael Lucas has been fucking disgusting. It doesn't matter where you stand on things. He's just been disgusting not good but anyway like like literally signing Israeli missiles with like love Michael

Lucas like it's pretty fucked up fuck fuck fuck you yeah and anyway so but like yeah there's some all these all these men are going down and whatever there are great wonderful tops out there that aren't like this Yeah, there's some... All these men are going down and... Oh, whatever. There are great, wonderful tops out there

that aren't like this. Okay. And that's a rule of culture. There are great... Number what? I think 59. 59. There are great, wonderful tops out there

who are not them. Who are not them. Who aren't doing all this stuff. For those of you, just Google it. It's so awful. Just Google it. The Austin Wool thing is awful. The world is just, oh, it's going down, you guys. It's going down.

This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up. Think you've seen it all? I don't think you've been a good friend to me lately. We're friends like that. Who needs enemies? You ain't seen nothing yet. Cheers to being Germanic.

With the Real Housewives of Potomac. Oh my gosh, can I take this in? It's gonna be amazing. New York City. Everyone is a gossip. No one gets a happier life. Salt Lake City. We don't wear costumes.

We wear fashion. And below deck sailing. You broke the rules. And now you're here getting upset. Watch all new seasons on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. Let's have a real fun time. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba.

He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez.

At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him.. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzales wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still

this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate, delusional dreamer, and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers.

Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. it's time for I Don't Think So Honey and I guess I'll go first. Okay. Wow, this episode has been a wild and rollicking ride. It's been a wild and rollicking ride.

Thank you for joining us on it Readers Katie's Publicist I got my thing. This is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now. I don't think so honey the use of the word darling in songs like it's something people say. A few months ago my sister Bo and Yang

did an I Don't Think So Honey about when people say uh goddamn in songs as filler there is nothing more filler than when someone says darling you're so right literally no one ever in life least of all a cool pop star that is like millennial age or younger is referring to any significant other or friend or family member as darling so when we have a song and the word is darling queen we know it could have gone through another couple passes and yes i have been sitting here singing the praises of one cxoxo she's saying darling in the song in a way that i don't believe from camila cabello who's throwing it back on dade county dreaming just a few tracks before like i don't know if that girl's being like, hey darling, let's go out

to the club. I don't believe it. Darling is filler. Darling is not good. I don't think so, honey darling. I don't believe you, honey, that you say darling. And that's one minute. Y'all feel me? I feel you so hard. Guess what wasn't

nominated for the Culture Award for old-timey thing to say again my darling darling darling dear you only use it ironically you only use it because language is a beautiful like palette to choose from she literally is like um what did she say she goes did she get this wet for you, baby? And then she's like, something, something, my darling. I'm like, no, you don't say how wet you are. And then my darling in the same sentence. Like no one's coming home and seeing you in the bed.

And it's like, and you're like, I'm so wet, darling. That's the sick mind. That's the sick mind that you're looking for. I guess that was the sick. I'm telling you, the sick mind, the clues were there. What are you talking about? The sick mind I was craving is like, I'm so wet, darling. And I'm so wet, darling.

And fan voicemail about his dog dying. Literally, it's insane. Like this world is not okay. And I hope she's getting the help that we support her all the way. But it made an album that was serrated. Serrated. Serrated. And Frida said underrated.

Ooh. Bone Yang, are you galvanized? Are you ready to do what I don't think so, honey? I'm ready. This is Bone Yang's I don't think so, honey, as time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Delta 360 Club.

How can I get the invite? I think all three of us here at this table should get the invite. Oh, Matt is already, of course. That's amazing. But I looked it up. I looked it up. I was like, well, how do you qualify for 360? Because it's just like a big secret, only invite only thing.

You need to, you get a default invitation if you're 5 million miler. Honey, who's got the time? Are there even that many miles? 30 seconds. That's a great question. To travel in a life? Right. I don't know about that.

It's giving very SNL ticket lottery. Oh, they'll draw your name in 40 years. It's just, why would you ever do that? Because even back when I was growing up, quote unquote, I was like, I'm not signing up for the lottery I got in once some people aren't as lucky as Matt Rodgers even though I'm

certainly blessed but Delta 360 when I'm in the mirror I like what I see and I want to see myself in the club that was beautiful I don't think so that's one minute. That's one minute.

Oh, that was really good. Yeah, I'm a 360 member. When did you get the invite? Tell me, girl. What were you going to tell me?

Let's just say that. Girl. They got that on one knee. They proposed to me. To me. I said yes. I said yes. I don't remember.

I just literally took my phone one day and I was like oh I'm a 360 member and I don't really recall how it happened I don't even know what the perks are though like what is it you just get to I don't know slay I mean I did fly so fucking much right

well I mean I guess I'm jealous of you. Yeah, current status, Delta 360. I'm jealous because you're 360 and because you have stepped into your destiny with Get Out of My Dreams and Into My Car. Get out of my dreams!

It's now time for Jared Frieder, I Don't Think So Honey. Do you have one? I know you can do one. On this episode, you've contributed enough that it means that you come through with i don't think so honey okay give me five seconds okay i have it ah do you want to time him one second yeah i'll time him this is jared freeders i don't think so any as time starts new i don't think so honey radio counting for too much to the billboard hot 100 why is morgan wallen still at number one for the sixth week in a row when Espresso My Girl is still stuck at number three?

It's radio. I don't need these country radio stations playing these racists on and on and on so they can top the charts. That's not why I'm gay. That's not why Billboard's my homepage. I don't need to see that man's face. I want Sabrina.

I want Chapel. I want Charlie. I want the streams to count for more. I want to know what the people are listening to. Okay. That should be reflected in these charts. I'm tired of, I'm tired of, I mean, much love to iHeartRadio sponsor and host of Lost Cultures.

But some of these other, but some of these other radio stations are just out, out of control and it's too much. And I think that we would have gotten, I think two most wanted would have charted higher. I think more of tortured poets would have charted higher. Country, go back to country radio, unless you're Maren Morris. And then honey, welcome. You can stay, especially now

that you're the B in Ligibitique. Did I say that right? Yes, you did. And that's one minute, Jared. So how do you know the country artists don't stream well? They stream well, but the reason that Espresso was blocked from the top spot when everyone in the world

was because of Morgan and just like other radio friendly songs. We love Teddy Swims, we love Lose Control, we love Benson, but we love Beautiful Things. But these songs that feel like they are not in the culture but remain on the charts because the claws and grips of 45 year oldyear-old men who program radio is stupid. Well, I was going to ask you, are you using the word radio as like a shortcut to just saying country radio?

Because I think it's just country radio playing. It's like one part of the radio like piece. Exactly. But country radio stations, I feel like take so much of the airwaves because that demographic of people still listen to the radio more than other people do. And I just think that like the way that the charts work is that I forgot the breakdown of percentage, but streaming purchasing like iTunes,

then like YouTube. And like when you're watching something like that's gone viral and then radio, all our different components to what adds to chart. You're saying too big of a component. It's too big of a percentage. And I think that like in the olden timey days, radio indicated what songs were the biggest in the country, because that was the way that you got music to the people. And now that is not the way that we get music to the people. People can choose their own music. And that really indicates what's number one in the country. And I think that radio should count for a lot less. But isn't it true though,

that like that would be like, cause if a lot of people like in the middle and South of the country, like don't have streamers and they do listen to the radio, like it still is an accurate reflection of the fact that those songs are huge. I think that people in the South and the middle of the country

are on Spotify and Apple music. I think that like, it's no longer like an economic thing because there are ad supported services where people it's like not, it's not like a haves and have nots thing. Like you could make the argument during like the iTunes era when it was like Gaga and Kesha when we were in college and it was like radio or iTunes. Well then like, of course radio, because not everyone can purchase music in that way. Sure. But it's so much more democratized now. Like it really, it's not like an economic factor in the way that it was.

So I just think it's a little outdated. I still think it should make up a portion of percentage points that add to where something charts, but I don't think it should be as high as it is now. Like there's no reason that espresso did not get number one. Like it's crazy that espresso is not number one in the States. It's crazy. I think there is some

weightedness around radio. Yeah. And also the fact is when a song is played on the radio, that is... No one hit play for it. A radio station chose to program a certain amount of songs. And also I know there's like a lot of you know talk

i mean marin talked about it when she was on this podcast like you know country radio is not kind to women and it's very competitive which is you know it's just these stations are literally saying okay we have 20 songs that we play and that's it like people actually going on spotify and clicking on certain songs like is an elective like action that should be rewarded in the charts that being said i also wonder how and i do have some experience with this having put out an album and one song was put on playlists yeah that is also very powerful and also serves as a thing that someone's not necessarily electing to do because it's on a playlist and you might just be playing that playlist. I have two responses to that, but I do agree with you. The first response to that is you

have to listen to a song for 30 seconds for it to count as a stream. So they can hit click next and it doesn't count. Is that a fact? Yes. And then the second thing that I'll also say is that just like Girl So Confusing, the Lord version was not on New Music Friday on the playlist on Spotify. And I was like shook. It's one of the biggest releases that week. Culturally again.

And did the stream suffer? No, it debuted at number 63 because even if it's not on a playlist, if the people want to listen to it, the people will find it. But had it been playlisted, it also would have had like a right. So we know that there is something in the streaming

world that does also serve as a radio type of waiter that might affect something like this. Totally. Now Jared, I feel like has a very granular knowledge of this because he is in a very competitive billboard fantasy charts league do you want to speak on that

yeah shout out to Emmett our friend Emmett from Vancouver yeah I'm in the billboard hot 100 fantasy league and I always lose because whereas other people will look at what's charting or like what albums are coming out I'm like oh I will pick Taylor Swift every I don't care if she doesn't have an album coming out I will pick Taylor'm like, oh, I will pick Taylor Swift. I don't care if she doesn't have an album coming out.

I will pick Taylor. I always pick the girls. I will pick Miley. Did Miley have an album when I had her for a whole semester? She didn't, but I need to pick my girls. So I always lose, but it's really fun and it's a fun way to keep up with music. You even lose on Taylor? Well, it's because sometimes I don't get to pick Taylor

because like this round, like my draft pick was so solo and she was dropping. Um, who'd you get? Okay. Well, my first pick was Billy, which ended up being a great,

that's very good at the end. But Emmett himself was like, you should trade Billy. And I'm like, she's going to come out with an album. It's going to slay. So she ended up doing really well. I had Megan,

the stallion for a little while, traded her. I have Kendrick Lamar, which has worked out for me in spades because of this rap feud. Oh, yes. Abbott was telling me that. Oh, yeah. That's very huge. And I had Jack Harlow, which at the time when we did

the draft, Lovin' On Me was then number one for six weeks. And I still hold the record in my fantasy league for having the most number ones, even though I don't earn the most points. That's a lot. And it's a lot.

We have, we have to thank Jack Harlow. We have to thank Jack. We have to thank Jack Harlow. And we also have to thank Jared because Jared came on this episode, mad as hell. And he, you spit so much rhyme and bars.

Thank you so much. It was, it was a pleasure to be here. Cute boy with a stick of mine. I have one more thing to say. Yeah, what do you want to say to everyone before we go on vacation? Gosh, I don't know. Well, this is what you're going to leave them with. To the airport. To the airport. To the airport. To the airport. I hope Gaga does a moon album.

I think she will. You want to know why? Why? Because I'm on the air. We end every episode with a song. Of glory. And I'm hanging on a bone in a groove. Tell us

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