Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Dark Gay Culture" (w/ Ruby McCollister)

Episode Date: May 22, 2019

Ruby McCollister joins Bowen and special guest Katrina Rogers to discuss post humanism, straight and gay culture, water signs, the Starship enterprise, camp, and so much more!---MERCH! MERCH! GET YOUR LAS CULTURISTAS MERCH!https://www.teepublic.com/stores/las-culturistasSUBSCRIBE ON APPLE PODCASTS TODAY!CONNECT W/ LAS CULTURISTAS ON FACEBOOK & TWITTER for the best in "I Don't Think So, Honey" action, updates on live shows, conversations with the Las Culturistas community, and behind-the scenes photos/videos:www.facebook.com/lasculturistastwitter.com/lasculturistasLAS CULTURISTAS IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST. LAS CULTURISTAS IS PRODUCED BY EMMA FOLEY.http://foreverdogproductions.com/fdpn/podcasts/las-culturistas/ Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The frontrunner for the title of ep at this time is dark gay culture. And why? Because we were talking with our guest about downtown LA, about how culturally it's shifted over the last two decades. And I said there's a gay bar in downtown LA called Precinct, with our guest about downtown LA, about how culturally it's shifted over the last two decades. And I said, there's a gay bar in downtown LA called Precinct. And our guest had a reaction to that.

She said, who wants to get hard at a bar called Precinct? To which I replied, probably a lot of people. And she said, that's dark. And then you said, you yes anded and said, that's dark gay culture and we both had a paroxysm of laughter

all of us I have been and we should say we're recording this from New York City one of the top three cities in the world New York City

Paris and Tokyo yes and so we should say that we're here in New York City I have come back

I have returned for the weekend it's true I haven't seen you when was the last time we saw each other I think LA I think L I have to say that we're here in New York City. I have come back. I have returned for the weekend. It's true. I haven't seen you. When was the last time we saw each other? I think L.A. I think L was the last time we saw. Famously in the top 10 cities in the world.

Top 10. Which are New York, Paris, Tokyo, Berlin, Sydney, L.A., Shanghai, Mumbai, Cape Town, never forget Cape Town Town and of course Athens wow Athens and London really fighting it out no London didn't make the cut

London didn't make it Athens edged it out it's culture edged it out because you thought and this is your fucking problem at home you thought this was a financial thing

no that we were measuring it based on how they're the epicenter of business and all that sort of you know finance culture well guess what, bitch?

No, it's about the culture. And Athens has been here since the beginning, especially rule of culture number six. Athens has been here since the beginning. Oh my God, we're coming in white hot. White hot. I haven't felt this energy in decades. It's as white and hot as West Hollywood.

Oh, bitch. Dark gate culture is white. Would you say dark gate culture is white? I would say you would say that. Oh, bitch. I didn't say it. I postured it to you. I would say this.

I don't want to pick on West Hollywood because here's the thing. Here's the thing. We're all trying our best. We're all trying our best. I don't know. Truly, we're all trying our best. Sometimes I go to West Hollywood, I look around and I say, well, everyone here is trying their best. I don't think that.

It's the same thing as Hell's Kitchen. Some people are intentionally trying their worst. But you know what? In that regard, I believe they're trying their best. And some people's worst is unfortunately their best. Look, our guest is the best. And whenever she tries. An LA native.

An LA native. Famously. Whenever she tries, it's always the best. I would say sometimes this person doesn't even have to try for it to be the best. Oh, can I tell you something? Effortless. The way I have talked about this person to people, I say. You are emphatic.

I am. Since day one, I saw her. Everyone should please check out her web series, Gigi. Iconic web emphatic. I am. Since day one, I saw her. Everyone should please check out her web series. Gigi iconic web series. Truly the first frame I saw. I was like, who the fuck is that? When did we watch it? We were in the back of a lift and we watched it.

We were recently. We were watching. That was in L.A. I had to. There was there's a scene that takes place outside of once heralded New York venue. Much more. Yeah. Where our guests just truly. There's a scene that takes place outside of once heralded New York venue, Muchmores. Yes. Where our guests just truly.

The reactions to stimuli are unprecedented. I'm, oh God, what was your character's name? What's your character's name? Mona Delisa. Mona Delisa. I'm Mona Delisa. Oh God. It's so good.

Truly funny. Please check out Gigi. Also, she has It's so good. Truly funny. Please check out Gigi. Also, she has a wonderful podcast called So Fashionating. So Fashionating. With our good friend Max Witter. Yes, and of course, the Instagram is Aspiring323Actress. 323 as an area code. And as our guest puts it, of course, it's the space between the words.

And of course, area codes are space. Now, I just have to say the way I talk about our guests to other people I mean downtown legend at this point. I think she has made me cry laughing by merely going up on stage. This happened at Pig recently hosted by Peter

Smith and Sandy Honig. This was an iconic lineup. I remember I even knew about this lineup from across the con. She goes up on stage and she's just like okay everyone give me a beat and she like makes everyone start to clap to a rhythm yeah you think she's about to sing a song or something or chant something at least she does but instead what she does is for about three solid minutes sustains this makes the audience keeps the audience on their fucking toes and then just

goes faster faster slow down slow it down just was fully fucking with the audience in a way that made me that drove me to tears i was i would like to talk about the art of performance with our guest i would love because i was also we were just having a conversation we were sitting in two chairs facing each other yeah and we were having a conversation about We were sitting in two chairs facing each other. Yeah. And we were having a conversation about how our guest is on tour. Yes. Not unlike us. Not unlike us. We're always on tour.

That's a new rule of culture number 99. We're always on tour. It's disgusting. So stupid. Okay, so anyway. We were saying, and the guest shared with me. Yes. That there are ebbs and flows in the love of performance. Oh, yes, absolutely. And so right now our guest is kind of feeling like...

We need to reignite the love of being on the stage again. And this is a theme I'd like to explore. I would love to explore this because this is actually universal. It's universal to everyone. To everyone. Everyone. Teachers. Students.

Students. Principals. Princip everyone. Everyone. Teachers. Students. Students. Principals. Principals. Everyone. Everyone. An important part of a school system, I'll say. Custodians. Custodians.

An essential part of a school system. We had some hot ones. Did you? Yeah. Sexy custodians in my school. Are you fucking kidding? No. And did you ever make a move?

No. It would be illegal. Can I say? If I was going to fuck a teacher in high school or an adult in high school, I would have loved to have gone out with a bang and have it be the custodian. Wow. Because no one would have seen that coming. And that is subversion. And that is art.

And you know who is art and subversion? Our guest. Now, please welcome into your ears, Ruby McAllister. Hey, everyone. Hey. Finally. Finally. God, that, everyone. Hey. Finally. Finally. God, that was hard. That was insane.

What was hard about it? I was just laughing, laughing. Laughing, laughing. And Matt, who I'm now calling famously Katrina. Katrina. My mother's name is Katrina. She loved that. She'll call me Katrina. You look like a Katrina baby. You really do. What about me? Katrina's on fire. It truly might be the L.A. thing. I don't know.

Seriously? What? What do you mean? I find New York. Hear me out. That New York comedians go to L.A. and they come back with this like jacked ego. Oh. They do.

And I'm like, I'm the smartest. I'm the best. And I think it's true. Is that what I'm doing? No, no, no. It's like, cool. It's like, you're so confident and alive and in your mind and in your references. And you're like, ba-doot-da-doot-da-da-dee-da-da-da.

Can I tell you? You're on fire. And I think that's what happens. That's Katrina. That's Katrina for you. All right. So can I tell you what it is, though? I'll tell you what it truly is.

It's not an ego thing. Or at least it's not consciously. I think it's confidence. It's not an ego thing. Or at least not consciously. It's a joy in being back here. It is a joy in surroundings. It is a soaking up of the surroundings. It is a call to action in myself. And said, you know what? I know for a fact now

I'm not always here. So while I'm here, I'm going to be here. Katrina. That's the way it is. Period. Exclamation point. Period. Oh, yes. Honey, honey.

That's what I'm saying. That's the L.A. Jack. Something happens. That's how I'm feeling. And you're just so in it. Like, you're so in your mind. You're so, it's just like, it's really gorgeous. Katrina, it is gorgeous.

I'm so thrilled to hear you say that. Wow. Because I'll tell you this you know we're talking about being on stage and performing maybe it's this maybe it's the fact that i'm with two just iconic come on people of the stage a woman of the stage if you gather my meaning oh and um so basically like i feel like new york is like a performance town whereas LA is sit around and wait you know what I mean like audition which is not performance famously

audition is not performance famously that's actually world culture number 11 auditioning is not performance famously that is huge lifestyle is different auditioning is sort of like what i'd imagine like being a prostitute yes it's the closest thing to like faked intimacy like hey

does this feel good to you like yeah like right and private dancer private dancer very private dancer and i just like yeah it isn't it really isn't performance in the same way like i don't get i don't get high and that's the thing right now with what i'm experiencing i just am not getting the high the high right now and i asked you why you think it's fake intimacy sorry go ahead no but why do you think that is what what what's what's happening right now i'm you know what famously i don't really write jokes and you know what i'm saying is like famously i really don't write jokes i do sort of like bits that i can work out with audiences right now i'm trying to be i'm like looking at my life you

know what i'm this is going to be a little bit of an industry talk too but it's like you know when you're pitching pitching pitching yeah pitching? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you have that one idea that's like maybe about your mom or your brother or your, you know, dead cat. Something personal. It's a thing.

It's a thing. When it's a thing. The thing is, is I'm realizing I'm pitching these ideas about my do-da-da. And the only things that are getting reactions

are about my real life and my childhood. Which is blink, blink, which is blink flashing lights flashing lights so i'm like i gotta deal with this i have to write that blah blah and so i'm starting to write jokes about my true actual childhood which is and it's difficult and it's not giving me the like like like i'm not getting jacked on stage because I'm talking about these real, and now, like, if a joke doesn't, or if something doesn't land,

I'm like, oh, damn, that's a joke about my dad. So let's say, you know. Yeah, totally. And it's like a little, like, it feels very, like a wet, it's like a wet towel. It's like a moldy towel feeling. Yes, yes.

It's like, oh, damn it. Like, I crafted this thing. I'm sharing this weird fucking fact about my dad, and it's like a moldy towel yeah it's like it's like oh damn it like i crafted this thing i'm sharing this weird fucking fact about my dad and it's not landing oh my god like it's so so i'm not getting high like i usually do okay let's say let's say um let's say there's no gatekeeper person responding to you being like oh yes, yes, Ruby, write about that. Write about your family. If you could like what ideal performance for you, what does that entail? Well, the thing is

I, this is going, we're going straight into where I'm from now. Come on. But it's my father, you have to understand, was a producer and company manager of exclusively one-woman shows in Los Angeles when I was growing up. So the goal, in a way, I really realize has always been talking about my life.

It really has been. And I'm sort of teetering on the edge of my Saturn return, darling. You know what I'm saying? Been there. So, yes. But I'm teetering. I'm not there yet. Not there yet.

It's going to shift soon. And it just came to me as like, you know, I'm sort of, I love performing. I love what I'm doing. I love all the shit that I'm doing, whatever, blah, blah, blah. It's all true to myself. But I am sort of lying because I am not getting to who I am. You know what I'm saying? Here's the thing though.

And I need to talk about the true story. And that's what I was born in a way to do. I hear you. I hear that. But that's also a specific, not value system, but it's just, yeah, sure. It literally is a value system where someone is saying it's more valuable to us that you talk about your life. Whereas I, as an audience member, love it.

Love when you do something that's completely divorced from anything personal. And it's just you literally making people clap their hands. Right, right, right. It is difficult to sell. I go on stage and the raw quality of who I am is what people respond to. And like that is what we do. We build something together that is like, you know, like Sandra Bernhardt comes to mind with you exactly yeah you know what I mean like can you believe Katrina is on fire no you have I have I have been sitting here I have been singing

I've been talking for years now and no one except for myself I've had to pull that reference out of the bag Sandra Bernhardt is culture my face no yes yes, and that is what I get when I see you. Thank you. And it is very that. It is not something that is dependent on follow a story. No. It is dependent on follow the emotion and the spirit of the performance in the room.

And I think that when you try to or are forced to go in front of someone and say, let me package this in front of you and tell you what it is. It's not easy to do. So that's why I think people respond to you saying, I have a specific story from my childhood. And they are all interesting, but it's

difficult and hard. And the journey is learning how to find out how you inherently as a performer on stage are special and how you tell those stories. And it's something i'm thinking about all the time as well i and like again bowen fabulous point don't necessarily have to talk about my childhood duh but it's like i am at this impasse where it's like i've got to try i've got to try one day and now i'm trying and it's so hard and there is no instant gratification

and it's like a relationship it's like not a hot hookup which some of my other bits are definitely hot hookups fucking throw me against the wall punch me in the face I still came

exactly I still came and I get to say goodbye and not think about you again never again that freedom forgot your name I forgot your name.

I make up a name, in fact. Exactly. Ooh. Ooh. Some of my bits are really like that. And now I'm going into this relationship of, oh, I'm afraid. Yeah, but don't be afraid. But that's what's happening right now is I'm sort of wading through some stuff.

Okay. Wading through some stuff. Because famously also I'm sort of like a code switcher. Yeah. People assume a lot about me, but my past is very different from the assumption. Yes, yes. But if I tell you the story, it all adds up to the conclusion. Do you know what I mean?

A lot of people like assume that I'm a rich kid. That's a huge thing. That's so funny. I've always gotten, and I'm and I'm like honey let me tell you you know I would say getting to know you I wouldn't have pulled LA I would have pulled and I'm sure people tell you this all the time

like New York because you have a very New York vibe to me until I get to know you and then you do have an LA then you get to know me oh my god Katrina if you see me in LA with rich people in LA. Then you get to know me and you're like, yeah, and if, oh my god, Katrina, if you see me in LA with rich people in LA, Come on.

Seriously. Come on. Rich people in LA listening, I, you're gonna love me. What does that mean? Because I was raised in this theater. Yes. Okay, so I was raised in the Cornette Theater that is famously now the largo

yes wow yes where we are we both turned into comedians bizarre bizarre because before it was the largo my dad ran the theater it was a theater theater theater re yes and um okay what i'm like yeah totally re yeah totally totally theater TR I got it immediately I have to say I'm Katrina today because I got it immediately you are Katrina today I am fucking Katrina Rogers today

it's so funny because pretending that like Katrina Rogers means like getting it is so far off God lover it's so far off like what the real Katrina Rogers is. No, I don't think it is. I don't think it is. I think we're tapping into something that is true about your mother, Katrina Rogers.

My mother is very perceptive. And that's really what we're talking about. That's exactly what we're talking about. Very perceptive. Whenever I was drinking in high school, she always knew. She's lived a life. Oh. She sure has.

Oh my God. Okay, the cornet. Okay, so the cornet. I was like the princess of the Cornette. I was the princess of the Cornette in and out of this theater every single goddamn day of my life until I was 12 years old. Then Michael Flanagan, owner of the Largo, famously bought it. Yes. It was a beautiful exchange of keys between my father and him.

They loved each other. He was so happy. The exchange was gorgeous. He said, take the keys. He was so, the exchange was gorgeous. I'm sorry. Take the keys. He said, take the keys, Michael Flanagan.

I love you. Looked at each other in the eyes, kissed. Daddy, daddy. Ooh. And so, the theater world

of Los Angeles is changing right now, but when I was growing up, it was very bizarre. It was really like who does theater? Cricket, cricket. Right, really right it was either first stop or last stop in a career yeah wow totally or it was side job like passion side job like my father worked with megan malali many many many times because it's what she would

do between jobs and before she got will and grace she was always working in these like avant-garde theater productions yes and that's how she met Nick Offerman is actually through a production my father was producing how fucking fabulous is that? It's so funny because you forget them as theater people. They are and they are theater people

and that shows up in what they do now it really does the big choices the kind of theatricality that still works on camera. It translates still. But in this theater space as in all like spaces actors inhabit there's this like precarity of wealth there's people that have wealth that can like put on the production and then the actors are like literally penniless yeah you know or like just came here or are literally like if this doesn't work for me I'm gonna kill myself

you know what I mean like they're literally like either first string or last string on the rainbow of strings you know and so

I was and then I was like a scholarship kid at a private school down the street from the theater so I would go from the private school walk

to who walks in LA who walks literally Ruby McAllister. Literally me too. I miss New York and I walk. Right? I walked an hour to the gay bar.

Which gay bar? High Tops. Oh, wow. High Tops. It's a new one. Okay, I'm out. I'm out of the scene. I forget what it used to be called.

It's across the street from Beaches. I just want to say, if you walk in LA with a tote bag or a backpack or any pouch, you get the looks that you get are crazy. Everyone's like, what the hell are you doing? And you're like, I know I'm not from here. Yeah, no, having a backpack in LA is psychotic.

People look at you like, why aren't you dressed in half a t-shirt? Where's your car? Where's your car? Are you homeless? Yes, yes. I mean, it's weird in that way. And it's like, I was always interfacing with this hot, with people that were fabulously wealthy and people that were dirt, dirt, dirt, dirt, dirt, dirt poor.

So it's this, and then like, you know, my parents were the paying paycheck to paycheck. We were precarious. I was living in a precarious situation always. And I, baby blanket under the box office um desk would take naps there i can do a box office blind i like lived my life at this theater no joke i really did and you know it was just like it was like you saw all walks of life here you really did so people being like i grew up in the theater like actually no actually, no. Ruby McAllister truly grew up in the theater.

And it's like, I remember I was fucking somebody for the first time. Yes. You know, that hot, intimate moment. He was oversharing about his life at one. He started talking about his dead dad. Wait, when was this? Just like once upon a time. Okay.

Two years ago, whatever. It doesn't matter. Anyway, so it's like, and then I'm like, oh yeah, I'm from LA. Like, I'm from theater in LA. And then he was like, yeah, I can imagine you in a studio lot like driving the little

golf carts. And I go, no! And I get on top of him and I look him in the eye and I go, I'm from the theater and you will never have sex with another lady

from LA theater again. I am the only person you will ever meet that will say this to you. And I remember saying that with full confidence, and it's true. He'll never. He will never have sex with another person that can say that.

Never. Never, never, never. Does it exist still? It does. Weirdly, Uber is sort of rejuvenating live performance in LA. Okay, explain. Is it? Yeah, because you can go out later. Oh.

And you can drink and have a good time. Huh. And it's sort of like more seductive than it used to be. You know, I'm finding being out there, like I'll do like a show a week and I'll feel like, okay, that's the way it is. And like even like people that I'm friends with out there that are stand-ups like they only get up like two three times a week whereas like in New York

it's like a thing of like twice a night for some people for me it was like four times a week and that was like fine but like once a week now I'm getting up in LA I know I well I think that but like can you imagine in the 90s do you know what I mean?

Like, I just think it would be like once a month or something. Really? Like, I don't know. It's just so, nobody wanted to, nobody wanted to do live anything in LA when I was growing up. So you're saying it felt more desolate back then than it does now. Definitely. Wow. But there was like these vibrant communities, like the community that Megan, Meg Mullally

and Nick Offerman were a part of this like avant-garde theater troupe that was very vibrant and that was like a community that like congregated but otherwise it was like these crazy vanity projects from like out of work soap opera stars that hadn't worked in 30 years and they they're like, I want to do my one-woman show called Take Me or Leave Me. It was like that. And I remember my dad had to put on a musical about the story of Hare Krishna called Blue Dove. Blue Dove.

And it was like the song. It was, Blue Do Blue dove The only one The earth begun Blue dove Yes come on Jingle Yes blue dove You would think that was a commercial for soap mama It really would

Blue dove Honestly the title of it Blue dove And that It was a lot of that. It was a lot of that. Yeah, TM, I hope nobody has heard. I have a question for you. So outside of Megan and outside of Nick,

did anyone from that theater community that you were growing up with, did they transition into more mainstream success? Or was it just like the theater people were staying in the theater people? This is really interesting. Jane Lynch. Jane Lynch? Did work with that avant-garde theater company people were staying in the theater people this is really interesting jane lynch jane lynch um did

like work with that avant-garde theater company called the evidence room it's no longer around um that was like an east side la thing um and then who else there was this there's uh out of the cornet there was a there was uh there is a production called Jewtopia oh I've heard of this that had a run on Broadway I've heard of this oh wait yes

I think I remember Jewtopia and then like people would come into the theater with their stuff like Claudia Claudio

whatever blowing through life sideways that was sort of like a popular game now I'm really gonna like reveal how decrepit

I am and then who else Julia Sweeney but that was It was sort of like a popular game. Now I'm really going to reveal how decrepit I am. And then who else? Julia Sweeney. But that was, she did some one-woman shows there after her bout of cancer. But that was after. That was after. And now it's the success.

And Lily Tomlin. My dad worked with Lily Tomlin for a while. So it was like, but again, obviously already famous. But Jane Lynch really came out of it. That was like the only one I can think of. She's huge though. I mean, that's huge. Huge, huge, huge.

But found success in television. All everyone, that's what you do. Right. So you know theater in LA and then you moved to New York when? When I was 18. And with what goal? Interesting. I think to get fucked.

Yeah. To be honest, I just, it was, I just was, I was hyperse be honest I just it was I just was I was hypersexual and I just thought that it was easier to get laid in New York and it was it was easier

okay can I say I'm gonna reveal right now it is much easier for me in LA why do you think that is much easier but I think culture has changed

in the like 8 years I've you know what 10 years I've been here you're right because in the past 10 years gays have been unleashed in the world but also like I also grew up in West we ho I did yeah Kings Road

and Melrose baby absolutely and I mean it's just the straight culture has changed significantly straights don't have sex they don don't. Sex is over for them. Sex is over. Zizek, you know. Zizek. Zizek famously said we're post-human and post-sex. What was this whole Zizek debate? Debate last night.

What was the debate? I was so confused. Explain it because I've heard nothing about it. I was going to listen to it before coming here just to have like, oh, yeah, culture. No, it was a debate between and jordan peterson yes and it was like subtitled uh capitalism peterson versus marxism yeah um and it was a huge debate and i don't really know how it was concluded i don't know what was said i i was just mark it was trending on my twitter yes like what What the fuck? Why is Zizek trending?

Like I felt truly. Zizek is a huge. Yeah. Well, he's a huge deal. But it's also like I haven't heard from him in like five years. Yeah. I don't know. I'm just dumb.

And one of the elements of the discussion was straight sex is over. Humanism is over. No, no, no. One of his. His quotes of recent quotability has been we are post human and therefore post sex I see and he in an interview he's asked when's the last time you've had sex and he goes never

that's which I'm obsessed I mean like because he's never because because he's into erasing his sexual history because he's famously dates models and shit but he goes yeah when's the last time you've had sex never I bet there's some love that i mean that's i love it so it's so honestly that's so honestly anti-katrina but very it's extremely anti-katrina but in 2010 new york was

sex sex sex sex for the straights and i was 18 i was on the scene i was banging right now you know the straight scene is really cricket cricket is it really? you're not the first to say this it is really creaky creaky creaky I don't understand necessarily the factors but all I know is that

my thing is that I've noticed that for in the straight culture it's like these things are sort of like collapsing into one with like queer stuff where it's like, Oh, everyone's fucking. It's like,

yeah, straights aren't having sex because we're straight. Start dating. At least they're not dating because, um, the world is ending, right? Because the world is ending.

That's the excuse. And, um, people who are in committed relationships who are straight are fucking everybody. And then it's hard for, And people who are in committed relationships who are straight are fucking everybody. And then it's hard for it's hard to hold someone down. It's hard to like get to a level of commitment with someone that you're starting to date because they just want to keep fucking other people.

Yes. I mean, this has always been a thing with the gay community. I'm surprised but not but not shocked to hear that it's crossing over to the straight community because I just feel like patriarchy affects them more because they've always had to live inside the box and they think, oh, well, monogamy is something that we do. And then with the rise of queer culture, visibility, you understand that there really are truly no rules. We are all animals, et cetera, et cetera. And so I'm not surprised to hear about the fall of monogamy.

And I also think, like, weirdly... Come on. No, please. Sorry, I'm just going to get my cans on again. I just think like with the opening of Monogamy and stuff it puts a lot of things I don't think it's bad I think it's fabulous or it's evolution

I love Star Trek like I believe in the future I believe in the future too I love Star Trek I love more Star Wars we'll talk about that later but you know what I mean I believe in the future too, Star Trek I love Star Trek I love more Star Wars Oh really, interesting, we'll talk about that later But you know what I mean, I believe like Evolution is eminent, we have no control We have to, you know what I mean

So like yes, monogamy, let's crush it Let's break it down, let's not do it But in that process, I think monogamy, what was bonding The straights Is that men This is really an interesting note, is that a lot of men actually don't understand why they're attracted to women

and are just sort of biologically thwarted to do it and are like, no, like I, no, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Similarly, my hot take. My hot take, the cans are falling off as we speak because it's just such a hot take. Similar. I'm also wearing like a polyester shirt.

I have to tell you, I'm fucking obsessed with your shirt. It's beautiful. It's polyester. I thought it was cotton, but I'm sweating polyester. I'm so hot. Okay. Anyway, I'm so hot right now. Okay.

So anyway. Take off your jacket. No, because now I'm sweating and I'm nervous and we're just going to keep, we're going to track through this. We really are. We're going to evolve. We're going to evolve through this. Okay.

Embrace Katrina. Cause the thing is embrace Katrina. Hashtag embrace Katrina is I think that nobody talks about this. Watch out. What is it? There is an inherent shame in liking the opposite sex. out. There is an inherent shame in liking the opposite sex. There is.

There is shame in that. I will. I am a woman. I've always liked women are hot and men are hot but I've always also really liked men. Okay.

But I'm not interacting with men right no that are sexually attracted to me as much i had you know gay friends very early on and women friends and those were my there was no platonic yes there was nothing and so then when you get it it is and then then you get these urges. And famously, I was at girl school and I was hooking up with girls. But then I was getting these urges of like, I need it. I need a dick. I need a dick. Yeah, absolutely.

And I'm like, okay, wait, this is horrifying. I don't know how to talk to these people. I don't want to. Who even are they? Who are they? I don't want to talk to them. What do I have to say to them? But I need their dicks.

And the shame is in that need. And the shame is in that need. It's like, how do I relate to this person? I have nothing to say, and I just want their penis? Yes. This is so important. Right? And I think actually... And that's where sexism is born. Really, truly, because it's so in the same way with the straight men.

Towards women. Yes. And they also run the world. Exactly. So then they're able to commiserate about this. And then they, oh, I get how I can get my penis in a vagina. Yes. I'm going to dominate her. Yes.

I'm going to neg her. I'm going to make fun of her, and she's going to be bashful, bashful, bashful. And with her mutual need for my genitals, she will deal with it. And that is sexism. Yes. Do you know what I'm saying? Oh my God. And then we go monogamy, monogamy, monogamy.

And then we have to deal with each other because there's this like weird, shameful bond. But with the polyamory thing, which I believe in, again, evolution, Star Trek, I believe in. No genders, all genders, you know, I believe in all of it. Yes, yes. Humans are over. Humans are over. Exactly. Oh, the potential title of that.

With the lack of monogamy, now we have to look at our sexism in a really brutal way. Yes. And then men have to question, why the fuck am I dealing with women? I can't talk to them. I don't want to talk to them i'm gonna masturbate or get a sex doll or have anonymous sex or whatever or figure out that i'm actually pinning down something else which is that i don't even like women yes this is what's happening and i don't even want to have sex anymore yes yes so it's that's huge and i think you know the lack of monogamy is really putting

these terms into a blasting stadium light at least for me in the dating pool because then some men i'm realizing i'm having sex with them and i go they really love women and they want the divide to be broken they want to get intimate with me and they don't have the language for it yes but or i date men and they i go oh they have no use for women they have no use and they want to be gay and they can't be for some other reason maybe biologically they aren't or whatever you know what it's like they're not fluid or whatever but it's like oh my god what is the use for women this is is this what you're saying in the past the sexism was there was a violence and sexism that was outward. And now the violence is inward.

Inward, yes. Where you're just like. Absolutely. Well, I'm going to just close myself off and fuck every. And that's. And get on Twitter. Yes. And that's how it translates to fucking everybody and nobody at the same time.

Exactly. It's like, it's so distorted. And like, weirdly, the monogamy was bonding the streets together in a really intense way. And you had to deal with the sexism quietly or to yourself or just with your partner behind closed doors. But there is a contract, baby, whether it was a real one, wedding or otherwise, there was a contract of if you fuck other people, that's not OK. Yes. But now it's fine. Sort of.

So what's the need? It really does put so much in question. And it puts is sexuality by like biological is sexual like what is sexuality and because there's no economic need for marriage exactly and monogamy i guess if you like go outward if you zoom out then like no one gives a shit right this is so interesting that we're talking about this because i'm also dealing with it like in terms of in the gay community as well because having moved to a new city, for the time being at least,

and dealing with the politics of meeting a large new group of gay men, it's so interesting because you all meet each other and you think the first thing you think when you see someone is, what do I want out of this? What do you want out of this? What will we gain from it? What is it?

Is it friends? Is it sex? It could be both. It could be nothing. And so something that i had a conversation with someone who i hooked up with and then it became clear the second time we hung out that it wasn't going to be that we kind of sat down and talked about why that is and it's like well when something could be friendship which more lasting, why would it be the other thing, which is sex, which is really just that and that dominates a relationship.

But then you realize neither of those things have to dominate a relationship. We're just used to culturally you either fuck someone and deal with the politics of the relationship later or you are friends with someone and are surprised by or deal with the politics of the relationship later. Or you are friends with someone and are surprised by or deal with the sexual relation later. Whereas we could live in a world where those things were all just more a part of an equal, the equilibrium of those things was just something we all accepted. You know what I mean?

Like we could just have these kinds of relations, but the patriarchy has ruined us all at least in our generation yes because we are looking for all or nothing yes and that is capitalism capitalism the patriarchy that is tough and that is i think resulting in a lot of depression in the gay community that i'm observing and you're saying like amongst women and I think secretly quietly amongst men. And you can see it in the baby boomer generation who are all depressed or at least like I think not all, but a huge symptom or a huge theme. You know, you think about the movies they were making like 10 years ago when they were first discovering this, like American Beauty. Right.

You know what I mean? Like things like that where it's like, or like the Ice Storm and things like that. Oh, Ice Storm. Never saw it. I'm on my Katrina tonight. You are so Katrina. So like what I'm saying is like these kinds of things like where the tension is that I hate my life because I'm married. And I'm trapped. Because I had children life because I'm married because I had children

because I'm trapped that is sad and we are dealing with phase two of that which is it's the evolution forward and it is a moment in time and I think this is inevitable

I don't think it's bad I don't want monogamy to be something that binds anybody. I don't want that for anybody. But we are in this bizarre transitional period, especially on a heteronormative scale. And the fact that I even have to even basically interact with a heteronormative culture, what I which is profoundly bizarre for me. It's offensive. It's offensive for me, but I do. And I'm sorry for being like vagina girl penis boy here, but I'm just talking for all the listeners. I'm just talking about a heteronormative culture. And that's why I'm using these.

Vagina girl penis boy. And I'm sorry. I'm just talking about pejorative heteronormative culture. Okay, thank you, everybody. Anyway. We're all on board. Because we are in Star Trek territory. We are moving past that.

We have moved past that. Honey. The ship has sailed. I'm going to buy a ship. I'm being the Star Trek Enterprise. Yes! We are all on that invisible fucking ship. Yeah, honey.

Bitch, we really are. And we are just dealing. We are going to have to negotiate these terms. And I don't know what it's going to look like. I don't know what it is. But there is this bizarre sexual apathy apathy that's going on right now in heteronormative la la land because we cannot be bound by our differences anymore. We have to confront our differences. We have to love the opposite. Oh, it's so interesting. It's crazy. It's so interesting to see a heteronormative culture embrace something like,

let's just say in the mainstream, RuPaul's Drag Race. Right. Which is born out of drag, which rejects mainstream culture and says this is not real. In fact, nothing is. And it's all play.

Right. But then to see something like that get absorbed by the mainstream, I think shows we're interested in having this conversation and we're interested in the themes, but we are not necessarily ready to take all those steps forward because you'll still hear people say you know and i'm one of them like i would like to figure out a monogamous relationship yeah i would too i love it i i love the idea of that but i worry that the animal inside me will make that impossible you know what i mean i genuinely genuinely worry that. Did you read The Argonauts by Maggie Nelson? Have I? Oh my God.

Shattered. I have not. He's got to read it. This is my new thing. Goosebumps. This is my huge thing 2019 is I go look and point at my arm when I get goosebumps. Look. That's her huge thing 2019. Look.

Goosebumps. He's got to read it. I got to read it. What is it? Can you talk about? Katrina, you're going to. Katrina. Katrina. Can you believe it? goosebumps he's gotta read it I gotta read it what is it can you talk about Katrina you're gonna Katrina

Katrina can you believe the Katrina and the shrimp is not is that really well can you just describe for me and the listeners what the Argonauts is

basically it's a whole book that's like a love letter to the writer Maggie Nelson's partner partner who

Gary Dodge who's like an amazing experimental artist in Los Angeles like a legend legendary in Los Angeles come on

in Los Angeles Katrina so she's writing this book as she's pregnant with their child at the same time that he transitions yes

and like the whole thing that she ruminates on in the book is she's like it's interesting to like to sort of fall into some

mental model of heteronormativity while i while i have this human growing inside of me growing inside of me while i'm also queering sexuality and relationships like it's i mean it just no i see the goosebumps look i see it's a step forward into heteronormative ideas. But she's in a queer relationship. Yeah, yeah. And she is dealing with, yeah, how the roles. She's negotiating that. She's negotiating the roles of the inherent question of what is my boundary and what is theirs. How can we be similar and different?

I'm also intimately involved with this human that has not even been born. Yes. Or gendered yet. And it's like, oh. It's beautiful. It's so beautiful. And there's a sequel

coming out. What? And it's Harry's perspective of that time. You're gonna lose your mind. But Harry's writing it? Yes. Oh my God.

You're gonna lose your mind. I'm so excited. You have to read this, man. You do. Katrina really is gonna love it. Katrina is gonna love it. You would love it. It's very Star Trek. Yes. Very my God. You're going to lose your mind. I'm so excited. You have to read this, man. You do. Katrina really is going to love it. Katrina is going to love it. You would love it. It's very Star Trek.

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Is Tom Brady a dog or a dude's dude? We're going to find out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Just to switch gears here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. The Star Trek theme that's been appearing in this episode thus far

compels me to ask you about it we have to ask now are you a star trek queen i wouldn't say a queen i would say i'm a cadet yes because i'm very new to the star trek enterprise yes um i've had what are you absorbing okay so a person that i have been like vaguely involved with for a minute yes but very heteronormative ambiguity dealing with that, negotiating with that. We love. Yeah, we love you, baby. And my best friend who does Gigi with me, they are born on the same day. Oh, what day?

October 23rd. Okay, Scorpios. Scorpio-Libra cusp. Thank you. And love them. My last boyfriend, Scorpio-Libra cusp. I'm addicted. I'm absolutely addicted. I am too. Oh, God. It's the Apollonian-Dionys Scorpio, Libra. I'm addicted. I'm absolutely addicted. I am too. Oh, God. It chills, chills, chills, chills.

The Apollonian-Dionysian divide of Libra, Apollo, Scorpio, Dionysian. I can't get enough. All my best friends are Scorpios. Oh, me too. Scorpio. What are you? Leo. Leo.

Leo. How interesting. Me and Cat Cohen. Oh, yeah. And that reads. Can you read? That absolutely hundo-py. I know? I know you can read. I know I'm a Pisces. How do you feel?

Love that moon and Pisces. Oh my God. This is a water sign show. This is a water sign show. Water sign show. Let's go to recess. Okay. I am, get this.

I am Pisces. My moon is in Pisces and I'm like rising Pisces. I'm entirely water. All Pisces. So you are Katrina. You are psychic. I have incredible minds that can tell the I'm entirely water. All Pisces. So you are, Katrina. You are psychic. I have incredible mind that can tell the future.

You can. No, but... And, oh my God, and your friendship with Mo, also Pisces queen. Pisces queen. And other good friend Dave is a Cancer.

Oh, Cancer. It's truly... Cancer's for me. It can be tough. Yeah, me too. It always starts tough with me with cancer. I get a little with cancer opposed to Pisces.

Sarah Sherman, who I'm touring with right now. Sarah. Love Sarah. Literally since I was a baby, addicted to Scorpios. Because passion, obsession with darkness, obsession with criticality. So smart. I think all Scorpios are geniuses. I really do.

Come on. And I have for a while thought you were a genius stop it anyway so um and i'm star trek and i'm obsessed i'm truly obsessed the the cancers are a little hard for me just because they're very high maintenance in a way yeah that at the little things are big deals exactly and the scorpios go this is my boundary yeah at one so you go i deal with it i deal with it i fuck with that pisces go i'm sort of scared i'm crying i'm crying and this is hard for me and i'm like okay leo huge heart you know i go okay okay you're crying but the

cancers go no they go oh i'm eating the salad and I hate it now. And I go, you're going to have to eat that salad. Yeah. You're going to have to eat that salad. Right. Where the Scorpios go, I'm not going to fucking eat a salad. And Pisces go, I realize if I don't eat this salad, someone else would have wanted this salad who really needed it.

And they fucking eat that salad. And they cry later and they go, I have diarrhea. That salad sucked. But I ate it. I shouldn't have and they go, I have diarrhea. That salad sucked. But I ate it. I shouldn't have eaten it. But I needed to. But I needed to. You have such a beautiful, holistic view of astrology.

Thank you. Do you know the podcast What's Your Sign? No. This is a really, really good podcast. They do it in LA. I was on it. Yeah, of course, LA. They read my entire chart.

It's three comedians that do, that are obsessed with astrology. Love that. And they read my whole chart. And they, I swear that are obsessed with astrology love that and um they read my whole chart and they i swear to god i i wasn't really a believer and until i had my chart read and they were able to tell me like what was going on with it and i was like wow and now i kind of like part of me is like still a little bit of a cynic about it because it's like okay but i actually like can't deny what feel, which is that everything I've been told

has been pretty accurate. That's also a very huge Star Trek journey is that everybody's sort of getting on board with the Astro shit. Famously, very anti-

Skeptic. Skeptic. Scorpio czar. Scorpio czar. But downloaded CoStar and I'm like, this is beautiful. Yeah.

Are you on CoStar? I am. Okay. What's CoStar? Tell the listeners. I sort of, CoStar? Yeah, what is beautiful. Are you on CoStar? I am. I, okay. But you're going to start telling the listeners. I sort of, CoStar. Yeah, what is it? It's an astrology app. It gives you your whole chart and then it tells you like for the next daily stuff for

the next three weeks. This is how you're. This is, these are the transits. The thing is about CoStar, I get really like nervous about the interface of CoStar. I don't like the illustration. I don't like how it looks so much. Oh, got it. And that makes me feel really, like, scared.

Okay, interesting. Interesting. Interfaces are a huge deal. That's why I'm intimidated by Raya. Oh. Leo Big Heart, the interface of CoStar, very monochrome, very bleak. And it's like, I don't know.

I follow this really weird Instagram, astro Instagram called one word, Leo Mood Sun. Oh, Jesus. And it's hype. It's these pictures of these hyper Instagram, like a iridescent girl like on a pink cloud in Japan. And then you're like, this is horrifying. And then you read it and you're like, it's poetry.

And you're blown away. And then you look it and you're like, it's poetry. And you're blown away. And then you look back at that iridescent, weird, like, nails of iridescent cats eating a cupcake. And then you're like, oh, my God, this is beautiful. Just check it out. I can't describe it. It's really fucking weird. Leo mood sun. So do you, when it comes to astrology, like, are you someone that, like, reads the horoscopes and follows those?

Or are you kind of just like, I know what my sign is and therefore i know what i feel and how i do the transits i read the transits because that's really what everybody should be paying attention to because the transits dictate it's how this how the planets are moving through the sky at a certain moment so right now we're entering taurus today famously and there's a transit with uranus right now that hasn't lol dark gay culture transit with my anus yes your anus bitch anyway um and then i uh so that transit the transit that's happening right now hasn't happened in 80 years oh wow there's going to be a huge shift. And what does Uranus represent? Yes, I'm asking.

Absolutely. So Uranus, no, no, no. Uranus, Saturn, which is Kronos. Yes. Time. Ding dong, ding dong. Pluto. Okay, bitch. The sign of death.

Yes. Uranus is about philosophy, our understanding of perspective. Yes. Of our internal visions. Yes. Okay, which is really funny because it's anus. Yes. Internal visions.

Internal visions. I love it. I love it. I love it. Third eye. Yes, the third eye. George Bataille. George Bataille. Story of the eye. Story of it. I love it. Third eye. Yes, the third eye. George Bataille. George Bataille.

Story of the eye. Story of the eye. Anus. Anyway, the solar anus. Anyway, whatever. What I'm saying is that there's something huge that's happening right now. And we're going to feel it for a minute. And I read that.

That stresses me out as a Pisces. Nope. Hello, Katrina is alive and present today. You're right. I should not back down from that. No. That is called Uranus shift. That's called internal present vision. And you as a Pisces will lead us on the

Starship Enterprise, onto the Starship Enterprise, Star Trek, back to Star Trek with your Pisces vision, the more Katrina is released. The better for the world. Yes. Okay, I want to ask, we've got to ask Ruby the question. We do have to ask the question.

We're 50 minutes in. I also, in the best way, feel that this conversation has been taking place for days. I feel like in the best way, I've learned so much. Truly, I feel warm and crackling this is a beautiful nurturing amnionic conversation

my god argonauts we're in a birthing vessel what's that word amnion the liquid that's very Pisces connect with that word the second I realized what it was I connected

you saw it happen let's just dip our toe in this That word. I do, I do, I do. The second I realized what it was, I connected. Yeah, you went. I really, you saw it happen. Well, let's just dip our toe in this. Absolutely. Ruby, we asked the question to everybody. What was the culture that made you say culture is for me? This is the pop culture. Rude. Or sort of like.

This is rude for me. Culture that like infiltrated you at a young age that made you say, okay, now I'm going to step into being the Ruby McAllister that we now have. Yes. Okay, this is hard, but it's camp. It really is camp. Okay because check it out really quick I won't belabor this but I was

I'm famously not Jewish and it's really hard for me. I went to preschool at JCC on Olympic Boulevard in Los Angeles, California. I love that. I sat there bizarrely. I asked my mom the other day, why did you do that?

She goes, I don't know. I was like a crazy liberal in the 90s. Was it because it was full day? It was full day and it was cheaper than private school. That is why parents send their kids to schools that they wouldn't normally do because it's full day because my sister went to a full on, we were Catholic,

but she went to a Catholic school kindergarten because it was full day and they had no other full day kindergarten and my mom was like, my daughter will be going to school for a full day kindergarten. So I went Baruch Atah Adonai, Eloheinu Melech Olam every fucking Friday.

Happy Passover. Happy Passover. From Friday from ages three to five. That's formative, okay? So huge years. Huge, huge, huge, huge. I did not celebrate Hanukkah. I did not celebrate any of these holidays, but I lied. And I said that I did.

Obviously didn't want to be the only, right? Then one day, my mom, one year, she goes, we are going to celebrate Hanukkah this year. I'm sorry that we haven't before. I know that you feel really like isolated. And I'm like, great, fine. My mom in the back room of our WeHo rented one story. Yes. Bungalow. Had a table where she would read Tarot cards.

Because obviously my mommy is also from California. A little goo goo ga ga. You know? A little goo goo ga ga. Mom's name is? Sue. Love that. Very comforting, Sue.

Sue Lee West. Sue Lee West. Yes. Oh, mama. come into the stage. Sue Lee West. And she would read her tarot cards on this table. I was small. Obviously, I'm still small.

Short. I go rummaging underneath the table one day. Yeah, okay. Suddenly, I find this box. Oh, shit. A VHS tapes On it, beautiful box It was a gorgeous box

Really colorful And I read the words, well I couldn't read it But what it was I popped in the tape I popped in the tapes I pop in the tape And it is Pee Wee's Playhouse I found a box set of Pee Wee's Playhouse.

Oh, Pee Wee's Playhouse. I found a box set of Pee Wee's Playhouse at age three. And I come home. My mom goes, oh, no, that was your Hanukkah gift. I was hiding it under my table as a Hanukkah gift. And I go, you were hiding this from me? And my, I watched one, two, three, four, go. Head exploded.

Wow. Wow. Yeah. And the like tortured gay culture that is camp in a way, like Paul Reubens famously can't come out. Right? Right. That whole thing. And then.

Wow, is he gay? Yeah. Well, yes, but he. Right. The fact, 2019, we're still, Katrina goes, is he gay? Yeah. That's kooky nutso. I mean, at this point, 2019, at this point, everyone's like, Paul Reubens, gay.

Yeah, but it doesn't matter to him. It doesn't. Because it's too late. The patriarchy has ruined someone like that. He was ruined. It's even true with someone like, what's his face? Dancer. Workouts.

Fabulous. Richard Simmons. Richard Simmons. Absolutely. A tragedy. A tragedy. Richard Simmons. Richard Simmons. Absolutely. A tragedy. A tragedy. A tragedy of the patriarch. Absolutely.

Yes. And the camp of Pee Wee's Playhouse illuminated me to myself. And then, weirdly, that allowed me to look at the shit my parents were around and producing and stuff. Like, my mom produced a run of Lipsynca. Oh. When I was seven. Did you ever meet Lipsynca? of Lip Synca. Oh. When I was seven. Did you ever meet Lip Synca? Yes, many times.

And she showed me that she stuffed her gowns with socks. Yes. And it was like, then I understood Lip Synca. Do you know what I mean? Yes, yes. Pee Wee's Playhouse was this like gateway to understanding like, oh, the shit that my parents are doing is cool. And like, I get it.

And it's fun. And it's crazy. And it's referential. And it's fun and it's crazy and it's referential and it's for you and not for you and you and not for, it's exclusive, but not, but populist at the same time. It's for everybody. And so,

yeah, camp, camp is the culture of my soul. I am. That totally tracks. Yeah. And I mean, this is not necessarily camp,

but it sort of is in that orbit where I, the first thing, one of the first things I said to you in person was like, you are so, you are so Betty Davis. You are, you give me that vibe. Not,

not, not, not that, not, not camp. I mean, Betty isn't camp. She isn't.

Well, no, but now she is. Now she is. Now she is in the characterizations we know of her. You know what I mean? Because even Susan Strand didn't portray anybody of us. It was hard not to do a drag queen camp version of her because that is what everyone wants.

Right. But that's the thing about camp that since I was exposed to it so, so young, I realized that I could adapt a bravado and it be genuine to myself. Yes. a bravado and it be genuine to myself. That it was speaking to an essential expression of who I was rather than me being dragged inherently. You know what I mean? So yeah, that's what I'm

all about. So I have a question for you. What are your feelings on the Met Gala adopting a camp theme this year? Is that really the theme? The theme is camp. Now I got chills, but in a bad way. And that was why I asked. Because it's this thing of when something that is so niche and it's powerful in its nicheness

then becomes for everyone. Now we're going to have to see Kylie Jenner come out in a camp costume. But the thing is, camp camp is a really has been. Of course, this is happening because camp has been in a very interesting place in the past few years because of Instagram. And because of just like the increase of social media and fast fashion. People can buy campy things without needing to really inherently search for them. Totally.

They are everywhere now. Camp is in a really huge shift to the point at which it's not really camp is in a shift because i think what we know is camp is going to change it's going to be more because it always has to subvert it always has to um be relative to something else yes yes and it's so it's changed it's because now it is now interesting time. It really is. Now camp is like Ezra Miller wearing a gown. And the only reason that's considered camp is because he is a mainstream star acting outside of the norm. Right. And this is maybe controversial that I say this.

I think it's great that Ezra Miller is wearing dresses. He should be able to dress however the hell he wants. I actually love those looks. Ezra Miller is wearing dresses. It's, you know, he should be able to dress however he wants. I actually love those looks. Yeah, and he looks great. But it's a tough place for camp right now because everyone is checking each other to make sure we're all doing the right things and operating within boxes that are welcoming

or inclusive or respectful, et cetera. And now it's interesting because camp is that one thing that was embraced by the other community. And now anything that could be camp might test that. And do you know what I'm saying? I think what's happening right now, because camp, I've read a lot about camp and famously, obviously, notes on camp Susan Sontag.

There's this other book just called Camp that is by this British author. I'm blanking on his name. I know what book you're talking about. Really? I think so. I'll give it to you if you don't. Because his take on it is it's anti what Susan Sontag said about it,

which is the interface of high-low culture. His take on it is that camp is actually a state of mind. It is actually a psychology of people testing the limit of society, of pushing it and not necessarily, camp has an aspect of pushing but not necessarily fully adopting. Famously, camp people talk about sex, but when it comes to sometimes the sexual act are completely frigid like that's a note he put in the book which i thought was fabulous fabulous

and i'm like i love that that's so real and i think while we are entering the starship enterprise the boundaries are shifting and therefore camp has to shift as as you're saying. And society's boundaries are moving farther and farther and farther back that inherently camp has to move with it. So what we know is camp is now just an aesthetic. And ding dong, the Met Gala goes, camp is now just an aesthetic. But I'm saying, because I adhere to identifying as a camp person yes is no campus we're finding the edge again we're finding the back wall we're finding where to keep pushing yeah and i think we're just in a again we culture is in such a massive transition right now because

we have really pushed it forward these past few years really hardcore and with trump and like it's just it's such a saturated time totally and i think people are getting zoned out i think people are bored i think people are numbed so we're we're pushing now and we're in a really bizarre moment the transits it's the transits it's the transits. It's the transits. You know, on a more micro scale, it's interesting that you're saying all this stuff and then I was talking to Sudi today at brunch and we were saying how like- Scorpia. Sudi.

Scorpio Sudi. Of course. Love Sudi. Yes. Well, she's the definition of the Scorpio. Yeah, the genius Scorpio. So we were saying how, I was talking about how I don't get up that much in LA

and that oftentimes when I do go up in LA, I'll be last. Like I'll be last on the lineup. And they think, well, because he'll be big energy. And I'm watching everything else in stand-up spaces and everything is still kind of still very low energy, low energy, low energy.

And then there's this, the kind of what's happening in New York comedy, or at least in the queer comedy scene in New York, where everyone's performing. And it feels like there's like sort of a shift in attention to like performance and sort of that kind of thing where it's like, I'd like to be at a show

and not know what's going to happen next. And I think that interest in that kind of thing is a response to being fucking bored with, you know, even straight culture becoming campy in its own way. Because Trump is camp. He's camp-a-rooney. It's unusual. Yeah. And it is bizarre that the straightness is like so so big yeah you know what

i mean it's like it's gotten to the point where it's like it the bucket is full exactly the bucket is yes we need to fill a new bucket and i i don't know what the i don't know what that's going to be like again i think really macro i'm always thinking really huge i'm always thinking about culture capital c and it's just like my sense pisces moon my sense is you know we're in a really uh numb state right now we are leveled out the muller report was like forget about it i think everybody after the muller report was like you gotta be kidding me i'm out that was no i mean like i think that literally was just like you know what i'm out yeah it's like so you're saying he should he you're saying he shouldn't be there but there's nothing we can do i mean essentially brass tacks That's what it is And it just goes

Huh So what's the strategy now And I just think we're gonna go I don't know where we're gonna go but it's gonna be interesting And I'm excited It's not a negative feeling I have really I don't have a negative feeling either But you know what's interesting

You know what's put us in this place Where we can do nothing about a bad situation? Rules. Patriarchy, rules, borders, the kinds of limitations that we have in places like this, the amount of boxes we have to check to fucking do something about our hopeless situation. The bucket is full. Yeah. I mean, the only issue with that is that I believe Trump is very anti-rules and very chaos demon. And very much like, release the, you know, like, open the door.

And it's just like, whoa. It's Mad Max. It's very Mad Max. It's literally Mad Max. In fact. It is literally Mad Max. Mad Max for your road i just think i am focusing personally now back to micro is just about values like what does values mean what is morals do morals exist like is that a real idea and so i'm just

thinking about that's yeah just because of you're're right, like the borders, but the, like, I want no rules, but I want them born. It's just like, what is that? Well, someone chaotic in the center being somehow protected by people with no imagination. Yes, that's it. It's psychotic. I know. It makes no sense. And so now what we have is, I don't know, 16, 20,

45 candidates all stepping forward, all throwing their hat in the ring. Biden will have announced by the time this episode is out, we have all these people. Katrina. Katrina. I mean, that's news.

Katrina is looking ahead. I mean, by the time this is out, two of them might've dropped out. But to be honest, Katrina. Where we're at right now is i'm looking at all these people and i'm like how do you how do you answer the chaos

how do you enter the chaos and is the answer with someone who's a cypher because the big story right now to be honest is buddha judge and he is the big story right now he is the big story right now. He is the big story right now. And the reason why he is hitting so hard is because he is diverse enough for people but also relatable enough

for people and just enough for everyone. But if you look at what's actually going on, his policies are very much blank slate. And so if what we're answering this all with is a blank slate, then we have a lot of work to do with him because I do like him and I do think it could happen.

But we have to fill that slate with something that really stands for something outside of capable. He's a cipher and that he's bare minimum and that people can just project whatever they want onto it. And they're projecting hope onto him because the Obama narrative is beginning. And you know what I mean?

Really? On him? I don't think so. I believe it is. I believe it is. I believe the Obama narrative. Whoa. This is narrative.

Okay. This is beginning where people see him and he speaks to a lot of people. He's different. He comes from a marginalized perspective for the most part. And he is a change in that we haven't seen him before. It's like, oh.

It's the narrative. I see what you're saying. I'm not saying he has the same power. I'm not saying he has the same shortcomings or skills. I'm saying the narrative is beginning. And look at how cute his husband is. Oh, there he goes speaking French.

And wow. We're impressed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you can't just be impressed. We have to, something has to happen where it's like we have to either celebritize him in the way that it can compete with Trump, because I do believe the star of the election will win. And I'm scared about that, because Trump is.

Yeah, I mean, I just think my personal answer is just everybody has to And I'm scared about that because Trump is. Yeah. I mean, I just think my personal answer is just everybody has to remind themselves about wealth. I think for me personally is like the way anyone will win is through the adaptation of unfortunately the conversation about class. Yes, yes, yes. And whoever does that vivaciously in a new way, in a way that catches our, that's the person who's going to win. Yes, yes. I think it's a class thing. It really is.

Absolutely. It should be. It always should be. That started happening in 2016. Obviously the rattles of that. Trump adopted it in his own vernacular. But for me, that's in this lull time of, we're not talking about the,

we're not talking about saving democracy anymore, I don't think. I think that's sort of, I think we have to start taking, it's class. We have to start taking it. And you know what's fascinating? It's not protecting our politicians anymore. You know what I mean?

You're right. A story came out that said that, I think it was like 40%, I'm off on this figure, of Bernie Sanders. Love that. I'm off. I'm off on this figure. But I believe it's a large number of Bernie Sanders supporters said that they would vote for Trump instead of Elizabeth Warren. Right. And I'm like, this is a huge problem.

That's crazy. Well, it's because she didn't adopt a conversation about class fast enough, to be honest. And it's also sexism, obviously. But yeah, the class thing is, at least also for me growing up in like me as an artist, to be honest, it's all class for me growing up in, like me as an artist, to be honest. It's all class for me going forward. Are you hearing this? Are you hearing this?

My agent, my manager. It's all about class for me going forward. Come on. It is, it is, it is, it is. It is. I love this. Don't you? As we get on the Enterprise.

As we get on the Enterprise, and I think we're about to get on the Enterprise. With I Don't Think So Honey? With I Don't Think So Honey. So here's the deal. One of the top I Don't Think So Honey moments of all time came when Ruby McAllister stepped on stage and said, I don't think so honey when your boot doesn't have a silhouette from the side. And that was a huge moment in history. You could feel the air shift in the room.

People said, this is something that I knew to be true, but no one's articulated it in this way. And what did you do? You edified. It was edifying. Well, the first thing she did was slap her goddamn foot on the floor and point to her foot. Slap her foot down.

The audience, the visual experience for the audience was very powerful. And I feel that the audio visual experience was made even better by the fact that we could hear the foot stomp on the ground in the recording. Go back and listen. You hear that. Hear it, ladies and gentlemen. That was last November. Thank you very much. Yes.

And we're still talking about it. And we're still talking about it. And we're still talking about it. And I'm really proud I haven't seen a lot of bad boots in a while I think it actually

did chips I really do I'm not trying to pat myself on the back but I really do think I did I think it was a witchcraft it was no more bad boots

yes it was very much no more bad boots oh my god you know it I don't see a lot of bad boots I don't in fact look over there

I know hot producer Emma's wearing some good that's a good shoe that's. I don't see a lot of bad boots. I know. Hot producer Emma's wearing some good shoes. That's like a clog boot. Good clog. A clog boot heel. I love that. I could never pull that off.

Well, here we go. This is our one minute segment that we take to rant against something in culture that's not good. That's not good. And we need to talk about it. Here we go. And me on my Katrina today, I have something to say. This is Matt Rodgers' Katrina Clarity's Rodgers. I don't think so, honey, and it's time starts now.

I don't think so, honey, parents with a whole brood of kids that have a name with the same first letter. It is not acceptable, especially when you have upwards of four, five in the year of our Lord 2019 children. Let me tell you a story. Come on. I don't think so, honey, a family I grew up with,

they had five children. Their names, Brent, Blake, Blaine, Brock, and Brooke. Ew. And this is how you end up with Brock's in the world. This is why there are men out there named Brock is because

we have to follow these rules, honey. And you put rules already in your nuclear family. Nuclear family. And you put rules already in your nuclear family. Family. Nuclear family. Family. And we have all this.

This is tacky, hun. 15 seconds. You know if you have a house full of kids with all these names, you also have tchotchkes in the house probably with the names written on them.

Stop it. You want, here's what I'm okay with. Five seconds. Homes that have an animal theme tying it together. Yes. Here's what I'm not okay. Five seconds. Homes that have an animal theme tying it together. Yes.

Here's what I'm not OK with. Homes that have all these kids with a B name. And that's one minute. I don't think so, honey. And that's beautiful. Oh, Katrina. Because guess what? If you are the fifth of five and your name is also a B, you know what people thought

when they were naming you? Not about your legacy. No. They thought about their own legacy. That's so true. Oh, that's so true. Look. Look.

She points to her arm. And nuclear family. Nuclear family. That. Family. Nuclear family. No, he said nuclear family. Family.

I might have even said nuclear family. So excited that I pronounced nuclear correctly that I jumped into family. Katrina, you are on fire. Listen, but tell me I'm wrong. Do you know these families? Absolutely. That is how Brock was when you said that. There'd be no Brock's without it. It's so true because you go Betty,

Boo Boo Baba, Bebe, Brock. We had one. That's a Betty, that's a Boo Boo Baba name. That's a Boo Boo Baba name. And how many good B names are there that aren't Brock? Sure. Bill. Fucking,

we had this family growing up, the Coens. Jamie, Jackie, Jaden. See, and the thing is like,

at least I got away. Jaden is also a product of that. Jaden is a tough one. Also Jaden, I think it's fucked up that Will and Jada Pinkett named their kids gender flipped. I do. It's disgusting. one. Also, Jaden, I think it's fucked up that Will and Jada Pinkett named their kids gender flipped. I do.

It's disgusting. I agree with that. Because it is not. That is obscene. You rob your children of their own identity. It's not about their legacy. It's about yours. And I also don't like juniors.

No. No juniors, please. Give your child their own name. In fact, give them a star's name. Give them a star's name. Like Beyonce Knowles. Well, that's the same thing where you're Give your child their own name. In fact, give them a star's name. Give them a star's name. Like Beyonce Knowles. Well, that's the same thing where you're not giving them their own identity. And it's relative to someone else's.

Is Blue Ivy like- What did you say? What did you say? What did you just say? That's also, if you name a child after a celebrity, then that also doesn't give them an identity. No, no, no. I'm saying you must follow in the footsteps of Matthew and Tina and name your child something like Beyonce so that it can be a star. I thought you were saying name your child Beyonce.

But by the same token, if Beyonce's sister had been named Belonge, then I would have had an issue. But her name is Solange. Her name was Belonge. What did you say? What did you say? There was something. What did you say? Katrina. Famously, Katrina. Katrina's words.

What did you say? Oh, my God. That's beautiful. Katrina is, I love this Katrina. Yeah, I really do. I celebrate it. We're happy that Katrina's here tonight for the night of the live show. I know.

The night of the live show. This is going to be, ooh, baby, baby. Baby, baby. All right, so this is bowen yang's i don't think so honey his time will start now i don't think so many coffee shops that have cold brew but not iced coffee i want an iced coffee okay and look the culture has to shift in this regard because you're not gonna fucking jack me up on whatever insane 16 hour brewing steeping process that is actually being put in some plastic nalgene bullshit tub in your closet because trust me i was a barista for

all all of two days before i got a another job i know how the sausage gets made and it's disgusting and it's not acceptable. And I see you. I just want coffee that's been dripped, brewed with ice in it. Yes. And not hot coffee with ice that's been watered down. I want iced coffee that's stored cold because you're not going to fucking drive me insane and veer the course of my day off of its tracks. Five seconds. And you better fucking believe that I will sue all of you for all your worth

once I have the capital. That's one minute. This is important to talk about. Yeah, it is. Because iced coffee? Delightful. Delightful. Cold brew?

Potentially, another D word, dangerous. Chaotic. Because if I, I've been on record on this podcast that when I have one cold brew, I become Scarlett Johansson in the film Lucy. Yes. A killing machine. You use 100% of your brain.

And I need to be drinking something, Bowen, especially now in the writer's room that I'm in or something I've discovered about myself. You need it. You need the drink. A beverage. I know, me too. I mean, hello. Hello.

I need a beverage too. And this is what I've done. Ladies and gentlemen, as I live and breathe, I have switched to iced Americanos. Thank you. Thank you. Because it's just too much. It's too much. But do iced Americanos suffer the same thing as hot coffee with ice on it?

Absolutely not. Ice in it. Okay, no. Because it's just a little bit of hot liquid, which is an espresso. And it's already water anyway. Yes. And it's just like, it's hot liquid, which is an espresso. And it's already water anyway. Yes. And it's just like, it's so much better. The cold brew fetish is bananas cuckoo cong cong.

Cuckoo cong cong. It's like, I just. It's cuckoo lulu. It is cuckoo lulu. Cold brew is a product of. Masculinity. Colonialism. Actually, I'll tell you something. It is.

I'm going to tell you something. Wait, go on that, Bowen. I want to hear. And then I'll counterpoint because I think cold brew is a product of liberalism gone too far. True. True. Which is colonialism gone too far.

You're right. You're right. We're all on the same team. Wait, but coffee. I mean, nobody talks about where these beans come from. Well, I mean, that is one aspect to it, of course.

We can't even get into that. Even if a place is as fair trade as, you know, think coffee, this is how cold brew is colonialism. It is not a product. It just is colonialism. Walk us through. Okay.

It is not a product. It just is colonialism. Walk us through. Okay. It is a cultural. It is some, any dangerous destructive idea is just language. It's just distorted words that are tied to concepts that, where the linguistic thing is that the concept doesn't exist without the word. And this is what it is. Someone said, this is a new invention called cold brew. And it's beautiful. And this is how it's different. And here's how we can push it and market it.

And then it fully just displaced iced coffee. Do you know what I'm saying? Yes. Displaced it. It really did. It displaced it. And that is just colonialism. No, it is.

That is so true. I've never thought of it that way. I love iced coffee. And you can't find it in America. You cannot. Not anymore? Not anymore. Honey, go to France.

I mean, like, where can we get an iced coffee? Where? France. I think the last one I had was Montreal. Oh. Oh. There you go. Shivered.

I did invoke the name of the greatest city in the world. Oh, and Montreal just is 11. London is 12. I didn't even say Montreal because actually I have breaking news. Montreal has superseded being a city and has become a phenomenon. Oh!

Katrina! Katrina. Beep, beep, toot, toot. You are driving the enterprise today, sweetie. Yes, I am at the helm. Move over, Mr. Kirk. I don't even call you your name. Captain Picard. No, Captain Kirk is straight helm. Move over, Mr. Kirk. I don't even call you your name. Captain Picard. No, Captain Kirk is straight culture.

Captain Picard is queer culture. Picard is queer culture. But didn't Picard, wasn't Picard captain of the Enterprise? I'm unwilling to answer that question. No, but wasn't that first captain was Kirk? First captain was Kirk. Oh, I'm so sorry. If we're doing OG canon Star Trek, I will use.

And we always are. Famously not. And we always are. I'm famously next gen. But I'm so new to this. Anyway, we're going to move on. This is Ruby McCallisters. I don't think so, honey.

Ruby? Oh, I can't wait for this. This is Ruby McCallisters. I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now. I don't think so, honey. People not saying murderer before they say Billy Joel. Oh!

Billy Joel is a murderer. He killed somebody with a car. DUI, Long Island Hunty. Brandi cannot catch a break. Yes, she killed someone in a car. That was an accident. She is a legend, and she cannot escape this name. You know who else killed a car? A murderer with a car. That was an accident. She is a legend and she cannot escape this name. You know who else killed a car?

A murderer in a car? Matthew Broderick. He cannot go down the street without someone saying murderer in a car. You know who can? A bloated, semi-talented songwriter. Beep, beep, beep.

Billy Joel. He sells out MSG every single fucking night. I hear people on the street singing his goddamn song, not even knowing he is a murderer. Capital M. Five seconds. Next time you hear Piano Man, know it is an okay,

less queer version of an Elton John song written by a goddamn motherfucking murderer. That's one minute. He can text MSG in the morning, say, hey, I feel like playing, and he can tell that thing, and there's blood on his hands on the streets of Long Island.

You know what I mean? Brandy shouldn't be called a murderer ever, and neither should Matthew Bradrick. But why does Billy Joel get the pass? Can you just tell us what exactly went down with Billy Joel? Because I didn't know this. It was a DUI. It was a DUI.

It was a DUI. And he was D. He was very D. And somebody died? Someone fully died. Oh, my God. Yeah, and nobody knows. Nobody talks about it.

Nobody knows. The other week, I was in a pizza shop. fully dead oh my god nobody knows nobody talks about it nobody knows the other week I was in a pizza shop yeah I call it a pizza store with icon you call it a pizza store I love pizza store

I don't recognize the word pizza I love pizza store it's not in my canon pizza shop is good too and I was with famously David Goldberg

yes and we were you know talking talking talking Blah blah blah There's a girl who sits down She was already making You know she was already a little too big

For the context Yeah She was like boogie ugging To a disco song in the pizza store Yeah it was too much And it was just too much And it was like it's late We know you're from out of town

Do you know what I mean Like just stop Just stop The performances ended at 11pm. Exactly. It was like one in the morning. Then she sits down and she starts singing Billy Joel. Top of her lungs. And I turn to David and I go

she's my nightmare. And then she hears me. Come on. I love that. And she goes, what did you say? And I said, you know what? I turned to her. You know what? I said something mean about you. And it's because you're singing Billy Joel joel right now and he is a murderer and i go he is a murderer and i know for a fact you didn't know that what did she say she couldn't she couldn't match with you but she goes wait you don't like you're

making fun of me because I'm singing along with Billy Joel? I'm like, yeah, yeah. I actually am. And I said, I never said I was nice. You don't know who I am. And yes, I'm a snob. Oh, Ruby. And I was just honest. I just had to be honest. I didn't want her to make her feel

necessarily bad. I just wanted her to see my point of view. And you want her to go up and go over and look it up later? Because guess what? It's probably on the internet for everyone to see. Is it not? I'm sure. It's like any of the Kennedys. Oh! Sorry. Country nut.

I cannot get enough of you. Never forget Chappaquiddick. Also, I mean, is it like a Laura Bush thing where What Laura Bush thing? Laura Bush also vehicular mans Bush thing? Laura Bush also vehicular manslaughter. Are you serious? Well, we have to look into every case

of vehicular manslaughter as our own thing. We really do. We'll do a special episode the next time Ruby comes back. We'll walk through every case of celebrity vehicular manslaughter. That's a show. That's a show right there. That's a good premise. A lot of show. That's a show right there. That's a show. That's a good premise.

Because who else has done that? A lot of people. Everyone's addicted to it. I mean, it's like, it's everywhere. But again, again, Matthew Broderick, it goes,

Matthew Broderick, actor, murderer. Like, that's how people, and this poor guy, I mean, very complicated figure. I could get into it, but I won't he yeah i have questions about him me too i really do big big huge questions very much star trek

questions for him but i um but you know despite my personal feelings about him that's an intense you know it's intense to have that on your title brandy again brandy is an icon star angel baby. One of the best singers ever. Gave the world so much. Yeah. And like I just. Can't live it down. Can't live it down. It's crazy.

It's unfair. And the fact that Billy Joel has completely escaped this. Again it's just the patriarchy. It's the patriarchy and. And also it's honestly what it is. What it is. Is it's his fans which are probably largely white men. Men. white culture. Yeah.

And not wanting to give him up. And you're kind of saying we have Michael Jackson now. Oh. Whoa. Well, with Michael Jackson, that's interesting. That is interesting. I mean, when you hear man in the mirror on the radio now, are you not like, well, did you? Okay.

Or PYT. Josh Sharpe said. I mean, PYT shivers. said I mean PYT shivers PYT shivers but Josh Sharpe pointed me to this episode of the daily where one of the co-hosts of still processing talks about I heard this talks about how he's like

it might be impossible to fully cancel Michael Jackson just because he's someone so seminal who just proliferated culture in every possible way yeah and that he like invented what we know of as pop music so even if you're listening to rihanna in essence you are also hearing the legacy of michael jackson and like and i loved that take of it i truly did and like it's so much more and i'm doing it such an injustice by like repeating it back by paraphrasing

it but like there's so much nuance to his argument and it's just like oh shit he might be right and I'm doing it such an injustice by like repeating it back by paraphrasing it but like there's so much nuance to his argument and it's just like oh shit he might be right yeah yeah he has a point

so anyway that's my little hot take of which there have been so many on this episode so many I think this is one of my favorites

this is canon this episode is canon there's nothing more I love than to finish an episode and call it canon because it just means the legacy has been added to. Yes.

Every single time we step down to record, that's our legacy. And when we can invite someone like Ruby into the studio and she says not only yes to the legacy, but and.

Oh, thank you. She has given something to the legacy, which is she has given life and a voice to Katrina so what the heck really truly what are you literally doing now you're on tour

I'm on tour with Sarah Sherman I'm you know I am doing some acting I'm doing a lot of acting right now so fascinating so fascinating my podcast with Max Witter check it out. It's very hard to produce so it's not very

consistent. But it's wonderful canon. And also I have famously a fashion project called Sophia Paris that will come out very soon. I can't wait. A new collection. I can't fucking wait.

We thank you and praise you. Thank you. Praise God. As do I. As I do. I do, I do, do I. And this is a Pisces episode. And therefore, a Pisces Crank it, crank it. A Pisces Scorpio Leo episode.

We finish every episode with a song which is at Bowen and Ruby's demand. I'm starting with the man in the mirror. How did you feel? You didn't feel good, did you? How did you feel?

That's not its best song. What's his best song to you? Honestly, this is a hot take. Sing it. I wanna rock with you all night. No, no, no. This is a terrible, it's such a good song. You do your favorite song.

Oh my God. I don't know. I feel like it's like, I'm barely dancing, not my lover. She's just a girl. That also in context. barely dancing. Not my lover. She's just a girl. That also in context. Billie Jean is not my lover. She is not.

She's just a girl. She's just a girl. Like, it's like, oh, my God. You were gaslighting this woman. No, your beard. Your beard for the kids. Think about Thriller. Think about Thriller.

No one's going to save you when the beast is about to strike oh my god oh my god you can't you are not alone I am here with you okay we totally can't bye

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We're gonna find out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On Thanksgiving Day 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba? Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home, and he wanted to take his son with him. Or stay with his father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or stay with his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died

trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Cheryl Swoops. And I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby.

And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I

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My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. I was a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app,

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